the meeting place on ntv is the place where everything becomes clear. and i'm andrey norkin my colleague ivan trushkin. we are working live. i am not inclined to overestimate e affect our program. there is something special, but the efficiency and effectiveness of our discussions, but i will not hide that , to be honest, i am pleased when i see that some of our proposals are the theses that are being voiced here in the studio. they find a response. well, it suffices to remember that we have repeatedly spoken here many years ago about what must be recognized. uh, republic of donetsk in fact, then we succeeded. now i am talking about the latest statement by our ministry of defense. and which, in my opinion, is quite understandable? conveyed to the attention of the opposite side that we can expand the list of targets on which our military strikes. let's listen to general kanashenkov, right away. we see attempts of sabotage and strikes by ukrainian

troops on objects on the territory of the russian federation, if such cases continue, then the armed forces of the russian federation will be strikes were made on the center of decision-making, including in kiev from which the russian army has so far refrained. if you watch our programs, you will immediately remember that we have a similar opportunity. we are not refusing to negotiate, but how can dmitry peskov say it again without refusing, even from the meeting between putin and zelensky, we are talking about the need to first prepare the ground. and striking at decision-making centers, including in kiev, can set the right ground for such negotiations, the right ground for such negotiations . can only prepare, uh, unconditional victory russia does not directly

answer all special military operations, but for some reason it seems to me that you agree, look, victory and of course, i cannot but support our president here, who said that yes, you can quickly , but faster it means great human sacrifices after all. we are trying to conduct this military operation while avoiding civilian casualties. as far as possible in the course of a military operation, with regard to striking at centers. e decision making in kyiv of course, if the kiev authorities continue their aggression against the territory already directly of the russian federation, such strikes should be inflicted, and this will somehow bring the people who are in these decision-making centers in kiev to reason, because i will simply agree, because when the possibility itself is pronounced. here it is being considered. this should already have one red light flashing if there are such blows. well, at

least there once, maybe for demonstration purposes, that we do not just say, but also do. this second light should run, will this behavior change. these are blows that are not applied for demonstration purposes. these are strikes that are inflicted to suppress the centers of aggression of the centers of the enemy's operations, and not for demonstrative purposes. we can certainly minimize the loss of the civilian population during such strikes to konstantin. how is it done? after applying this blows, talk. actually will be low yes, because these people. of course, it will not be possible , as we did with a stereo center. we will in case strike, the destruction of the same zelensky his entourage. we cannot destroy him, we recognize him as the legitimate president. we warned him dolph loizovich was also the legitimate president at one time, the flight chancellor. uh, the third reich is the chosen one, and if there was an opportunity to

smash it, here, uh, so why did you say, we will destroy it in the same way. after that, there is managerial chaos in ukraine. a struggle will begin for various groups for the status of the president, the control system will fall apart. already in this case the issue will be resolved. it's just much easier. yep, that's something to keep in mind. pay attention to the center will lose the decision of the speech of words, including, including in kiev, there are addresses in the decision-making center . nikolaev there other cities were administrations. these are the most therefore this is the right decision and i think that the reason why the first thing that the ukrainian general staff did was. after the obnase was struck, or at our oil refinery in belgorod, but the first thing she said was not? no, we have nothing to do with this. we have. i think it is connected with this, that is, they

understand what kind of reaction after yes, konstantin said that there would be a complete destabilization, as it were, of the situation inside ukraine, and this is good for us. erichty zhelevich. what do you think, andrey, at the moment there are no or significant compromises on the negotiation process from the ukrainian side, the ukrainian side is not capable and not ready. and this may change. there are two formats, one is a turning point in the situation at the front. what is what can be? dark moments, first, neutralization the largest donbas. here are the groupings of the russian armed forces from the russian army, the second capture of the southeast of the same odessa nikolaev, which konstantin spoke of, the third specifically capture of kiev however, we see that the western sponsors and not only the americans, but the europeans are the same sick, extremely aggressive, but he that -something is starting to make excuses there now. not not he saves this line, yes saves extremely. uh,

such an aggressive, militaristic attitude suggests that it will be decided by military means this situation is peaceful. let's, let's go to meet him in the right way, yes, and we will solve this situation by military means and that's it. this means that there is such a possibility that even in the case of achieving those tasks, about which i have just spoken. here is the neutralization of the donbass grouping, the capture of the southeast, and so on. there is a possibility that, under pressure from the west, the west will force, in fact, the ukrainian leadership not to give up its positions , even in this case, no doubt. in this case, if russia considers that the leadership in kiev will not agree to any agreements at all, and it is impossible to talk with them in any way in this situation. really. maybe those more radical ones may be required, about which there should be such, as if outlined , first directly in the southeast to solve

problems, and then further on. the only thing that i did not like. uh, the statement of the department of defense is the designation of the condition. i do not understand why in order to strike at the decision -making centers. you have to wait for them to strike for example, in our peaceful cities. well, he doesn’t understand this at all, it would be normal. and by the way, not only ours, the nato americans in belgrade and the americans behaved this way. we are not americans, we wanted to and we have talked about this many times, i will say that the americans serbs yugoslavs were all subhuman for us ukrainians are the people with whom we communicate, we want this is normal logic, a military operation. uh, the destruction of decision-making centers, and it is primarily the military not the presidential administration, nor the verkhovna rada, namely the military ministry defense. sbu centers, computer centers, what they don’t wrap up with them, they won’t run away in 2 hours,

unlike the americans. we'll let you know, of course. i don't agree, but of course, warn them to leave there or do it at night, because, among other things, this is the center of concentration of computer technology. which must also be destroyed. you are encouraged to do so. as soon as possible, don't give anything. actually. why are we complicating military work for ourselves? this is the first, second uh, i still don't understand along with most the population of our country. why didn't we do it in the first place? this is already, having outlined our ability and ability to do it precisely and magnificently, when we banged the television center in kiev in the first days, we can do it without a single victim, why and the second why we still do not destroy the system of internal communication in ukraine why yesterday everything radonezh yesterday, all vera donetsk near the border with russia came reinforcements along the way came to

their rotation. the same applies, by the way, to transfers and transfers of weapons from nato to ukraine until alexander is still open, you can find transfers to what you have been talking about since the first day. let’s supply weapons from nato because we have summarized what has been done only there over the past week, what we have already delivered, what they promise, but here it seems that no one wants to hide in disguise anymore and representatives of the countries speak openly. yes, we are at war with russia on the territory of ukraine otherwise, i perceive. otherwise, i can't perceive it the day before. vladimir zelensky recorded another video message to this time, he demanded to provide his weapons to the western allies in english and rolled out a specific list of zelensky's appetites for considerable artillery shells and cannons, multiple rocket launchers and much more. what do you have? pikas eart defens systems and combat earthroad and stop

the walking to defent freedom however, western countries are not opposed to arming ukraine slovakia in the near future will deliberately supply self-propelled howitzers and additional s-300 complexes to the ukrainian army, the previous delivery was destroyed by a russian pinpoint strike in the hangar. also, the slovak prime minister did not rule out the transfer of mig-29 aircraft to kiev in poland, an echelon with german armored vehicles and howitzers was noticed. and the czech republic sent another echelon of the golden fire system, and the day before, american kamikaze switch blade drones arrived in ukraine, they are designed to hunt for air and ground targets on the same day , the united states authorities approved a new military aid package for ukraine in the amount of $ 800 million , it includes including howitzers. we are working very hard. every day, to help ukrainians in ensuring security,

8 to 10 flights a day arrive in the country, not only from the united states, but from other countries , weapons come in an almost constant flow at a high speed, and we do not slow down in moscow, these massive arms deliveries, of course they see in the russian form they declared any transport with weapons on the territory of ukraine will be considered a military target, we bring the americans and other westerners to the understanding that attempts to slow down our a special operation to inflict maximum damage on the russian contingents and the formation of the dnr and lnr. they will be severely suppressed. we warn you that us -nato weapons transports are moving through ukrainian territory. we are considered as legitimate military targets. stanislav alekseevich american transports will be considered as legitimate targets, then ryabkov will speak here, as far as i understand him. maybe i misunderstand we will not be interested in who drives this transport, what kind of instructors are there not instructors officers of the driver, if this thing crosses the border, bye so we immediately

hit it. well, uh, a couple of weeks ago here's the exact same words. uh, sergey lavrov, the minister of foreign affairs, spoke out, and given that these deliveries continue, as we see, but, uh, they probably didn’t hear, and this, it seems to me, is alarming from the point of view of the fact that, after all, his we are in a state of combat. and we, as it were , say something, and they don’t hear us. and these deliveries go on, then the question. there, how russia is still able to, and these cut what is called these communication lines and cut these supplies. maybe i don't want to seem to be right, maybe we are not as strong, including in the air space there is tough, as far as we can act tough you expect our partners who love to talk. yes, somehow the americans will hear exactly the same, so we can't here. well, if we said that we are terrible, if you take one more

step there, then we, then, will use e, everything, our weapon, and you did these 10 steps for 2 weeks. it is necessary to dissolve it , to dissolve the appropriate decision . but we certainly can, we can, but apparently we don’t want to, because it was obvious from the very beginning. simply, based on the size of that group of ours. e, who started. wait, it doesn't matter once i bring white gloves to your program, so let's go. uh, so to speak, the first thing they do. they are these echelons with tanks, connecting with attaches blood from the passenger cars covered by passengers this is the first, so it’s difficult to hit on the highway, the fact that they didn’t hit the communication lines on the railway now is due to the fact that they took care of possible refugees. uh-huh people could leave. now this

has to end. of course i'm just explaining. why yes, here's more what means, uh, arms deliveries are struggling, because if we say they were n't fighting, then, well, a simple thing has been delivered. there are so many of these very javelins that for each of our tanks located there, there are quenched 6, or seven javelins, they had to burn everything there is nothing, even more it destroys everything. you look every time it is reported that five 10 15 20 warehouses have been destroyed, you need to understand that there are different warehouses, there are warehouses for the strategic rear of the tactical body. here is a strategic one, you remember him with a dagger. uh-huh, you’re strategic right now, 10 to 12, this is tactical, you mean it, that’s all the equipment, all this iron, they need to be forced to troops in order to deploy troops and where they deliver somewhere instead of collecting. there comes from the troops,

personnel and this equipment is used and, so to speak, there will be supplies. that's where they hit. and it beats there so that they are concentrated history turns out, that is, well, we destroy, they send, of course, as it is, of course, of course, that is, therefore, what are we talking about. i say again that it was said that it is necessary to warn these politicians who are sitting at home to minimize. these are by no means the general staff of ukraine, the presidential administration. uh, further that all of these both administration. these are all legitimate military goals of the sbu sbu of the ministry of internal affairs, these are all legitimate military goals, the people who are sitting there, they wear shoulder straps. here, and no, they are military personnel. there are employees and so on, and therefore must be destroyed. this is completely legal, absolutely legal to the president of ukraine. so the supreme commander is there with delivery , but everything must also be destroyed. according to

the laws of war. and the fact that why you are not being done, well, there are already some political aspects, but really i want to say, and i give the impression that these aspects are more and more receding into the background, which slowed down our actions. therefore, i think that tougher actions will not be taken, but, er , the destruction of these organs. first of all, this will be a very serious moral blow to the troops once uh-huh. secondly, it leads to a political fight. there uh-huh, that is, there is no zelensky, he is formally the leader. so, some local leaders will immediately appear who will claim something. that's where the salt is. i'm in what the secret we said, uh, in this story, is that the decision-making centers are in brussels you are in washington, that's where the center of life-making and even liquidation and even liquidation of the political elite is located. ukraine, of course, will not allow it. uh, disperse there for these groups and so on too, so to speak, firmly. uh, the west is holding for

something that ukraine didn’t have, so that the axis began some kind of movement there that will harm brussels washington. it is unacceptable. as for what concerns for us. it's not what unacceptable, and desirable for him, acceptable, because listen to this, there may be a need. they won't let this happen. why do they listen, but there is a first one there of this political elite, there is a second one and so on. all there are several layers of five or six, and so on. they are all under brussels and washington, they will all receive from there. uh, pointers so to speak and so on, because it is impossible again, yes, here we are now going to talk about the war, there are possible nato. wait, wait. i'm talking about these here here is what brussels commands the field commander in this very world is not, here it exists and

does not directly command correctly, but whether this field commander is doing it. wild ones, let me explain again on my fingers, uh, again, thank you, vladimir natanovich, he is somehow active right now. yes, he gets me every day. now i understand that this is exactly what we are discussing. so, yesterday he sent me a picture with the signature of our general staff, he allowed klitschko not to be taken prisoner , because there would still be no interrogation no debt. that is, now there is zelensky yes, the chief commander. well, there are some there, danilov, this is reznikov. yes, there are further ones. there are city people there, this is the klitschko trukhanov there in odessa. kim, these are what's bad, if these are the layers. excuse me, they will be so layer by layer, as if removed. yes, i don’t really understand, i just here i absolutely agree with konstantin tiktovich, because these ordinary

actions will begin. they can also be friends. or whatever uncle chose to say so and explain alexander forgive me for god's sake if the ukraine let's destroyed. this first layer of command, we mean the supreme commander, none of these western partners will come there in the near future, i understand now i agree there is an example there trust south vietnam there was also the general staff of south vietnam, the south vietnamese army, in fact, was completely controlled by the americans from above and when north vietnam achieved concrete victories on the front against the americans and their south vietnamese allies. it was just another choice. how to retreat and leave. so, to see what is happening now. we have set ourselves a challenge. the goal of protecting people,

through, gamelitarization and genocification, what we see, yes to our demilitarization to our means of demilitarization, destruction, infrastructure, technology and so on, really hydro, really. through these corridors. a huge one comes even more than it was there a dozen times, and more weapons come to ukraine exactly the same thing happens with denotification by example. and for example, legitimization. azov yes, we see that azov was banned in the west for some time. now he is supported there, uh, one of them, uh, banned in russia, azov, one of them is there, and broadcasts for the bbc . reconsider, uh, your tactics, i already fought with the hydra hercules yes, he killed her, in the end, yes, he killed her, because he realized that he had to not cut. these are the heads that grow, and find something else to do. here is another were sick. here is the point. so maybe we should.

just when zelensky listen. it's just that when we say that we can hit the decision-making centers there, we mean some buildings. the sbu of the president’s office on banks and so on, yes, and you’re not talking about buildings , but we’re missing one point zelensky does n’t command anything zelensky has become a canonized banner and moreover, the americans would now even be interested to kill him he will become the eternal hero of the freedom fighter for democracy. and it won't break the structure in any way. the board of the ukrainian armed forces is in fact, but he will not violate anything, he does not command anything. you have heard a lot about the headquarters of the supreme high command, which they created to command us in zaluzhny valery fedorovich, which reznikov is not directly assigned to work with two missions. nato, one is located in lvov, the second is controlled in kiev, and in zheshev, the

transfer center and so on, but i definitely need to beat something else that surprises me. here, in fact, rhetoric - it's not a hydra. the rhetoric was different in the beginning . i was a little confused. but the fact that in russia they crumpled rolls and chewed snot, what o dskladze claimed, this led to. here are the results. they felt weak. they felt that they could defeat russia and therefore they would hit harder, therefore they are shelling the bryansk region of the kursk region of belgorod, this is the result of an escalation in the kiev chernigov sumy along a thousand-kilometer border. with ukraine, the strengthening of the system. that's if it doesn't stop leading a strange war, if she finally does not untie this tied hand, as cattle reed said entered the war with one hand tied, they will beat until they finish it off. we have already allocated several billions , we will embrace how the special operation will end, we don’t even doubt the question. at what cost

now, when we say that we are saving lives there, this is correct, but the fact is that in the future this will lead to the fact that more victims will have to be made both among the soldiers and among the civilian population, because and here i will give you example. here, tomorrow they will supply them with american-made cruise missiles. they will be in service with ukraine - these are cruise missiles. will not deliver a strike on moscow. why? well, what if she doesn’t get further than the thieves’ training ground, for example, this scenario excludes it’s impossible, they already supply hundreds of armored vehicles. here is this kamikaze drone, they had 300 of them. he is very dangerous. this is an additional sacrifice. the blood of russian soldiers and more that's because for more than a month in terms of infrastructure this led to such results more alexander nikolaevich they no longer even believe that a nuclear strike. if anything, they will put about it directly. they say, they say, if they don't stop the gas, if they don't hit the infrastructure, what kind of nuclear weapon, they can't even dare to do that. this provokes the enemy. aleksandr nikolayevich

fully agrees that the decision to strike was taken. accepted. yes, well, actually . in general, this is all explained, but uh, in any case, the wave, and i follow the propaganda here and there, here is the wave. she's always here, you're in it, yeah in fact, a decision has been made inside, so because the blows will be dealt they have no doubt. here , liberal physiology often experiences e, uses such a term as the flywheel of russia. so , in this case, we are talking about the flywheel of war. it spins up spins very strongly today. i won't bother. decide what percentage i give for the fact that this whole story, a limited military operation, outgrows the world war. here, but significantly more than 50. and

because the logic was correctly noted here, it is very simple, if a blow is struck at decision -making centers there in kiev in lvov in odessa i don’t know where it is. uh, then the next step is absolutely logical . hmm, after that it won't do anything about that it won't do anything. yes, it's also obvious. here. uh, well so next, a blow to the decision-making centers. here, at least, warsaw of opportunities. do you remember, uh, perhaps remember how relations changed in uh, the tops of the third reich, after the first bombing of berlin took place, because goering he simply swore before the fuhrem that not a single bomb. you know, and they suddenly began to fall. i ca n’t say that it had no uh influence on what happened there and the difference behind the third reich

was no one, except for the third passion, so, but they were, in general, guys. these are also quite common. there was no other decision-making center except berlin in the third reich, so here we have what, well, it’s not called kiev, but really washington brussels is good. that's when i ask a perfectly logical question. are you ready, gentlemen, to consider for the time being to consider the issue, but striking at the decision-making centers, under which i named brussels and washington, it is possible, of course, that strikes at the decision-making centers of washington and become useless. maybe sheer stupidity here, but as for the strikes on the decision-making center in ukraine, i want to note this is a classic scheme, according to which, by the way, she was beaten. it means very successfully, knocking out strategic centers where there was much less controllability than driving a center in ukraine

these very strategic operational links led to the fact that e on the bottom was disorganized e activity. this is the first and second most important point. these are all the people who are on these echelons of power. they have a certain trusting relationship. they are well known there in washington and other organizations. and if they are embossed, these are the people i emphasize. yes. here are the zaluzhnye, which all all mothers are all cher yes, they will be knocked out, they are made not only in the zemstvo and not even so much in zrya. they will all be knocked out that there will be no connection. here are the field commanders of the most western centers, because the factor is here. yes, because this is a turning point when a general dies, when a person in charge of the team dies. it really demoralizes the troops. so, the most important thing is that it loses this bundle, where to supply weapons with whom to. maybe, we’ll sort it out a little, i want, because we’re going to give it. he was still pulling his hand, because how would we loop like that, the only thing i wanted. just

see how we, uh, found before talking about washington, brussels no i would like to add that, of course, we are the sun here, when in the initial stages of a special military operation. uh, they also tried, uh, to appeal to some kind of reason. yes, in vain in vain, of course, well, listen, what is impossible. well, either in the fact that he is trying the traditional, of course, the traditional historically and now, of course, uh, i agree here, for the first time, the relationship was voiced. eh, such a paradigm. uh, yes, a decision was made to toughen up the entire military operation, because uh, well, uh, then it is necessary to strike not only at the centers, and i i agree and not only in terms of people, and i agree that it is necessary to destroy, of course, the cent. communication centers that today there is something not in kiev , something there uh in lvov uh, something in poland, no

more, but let's say in the decision-making center in the world , that is, nato brussels washington we have this goal - this is our task we have a different task in a special military operation in ukraine, but this one is at the decision-making center in lvov. this must be inflicted in odessa. and, of course, i cannot but agree that it's time for all the refugees to leave, those who wanted to leave should be cut to cut communications. here, if you remember this hydra, then i'll just say that the analogue of this hydra. this is a russian folk tale, when it means, uh, he fought from the mountain. at first he chopped off the heads, and they grew a leg, then he took it in a firebrand and came to the bottom, the second jump. head stopped. eh, it means that it is necessary to burn all these communications of the road,

because otherwise we will not be able to grind the entire nato war machine and many countries such as slovakia is generally beneficial. they are now changing our 300 and so on. well, what's the difference. let's stop now, take a short break and continue. see you. look, create in our show, you don’t know who is hiding with hints, and with avito you know for sure that you will profitably sell your smartphone dress or guitar, just place ads and it will be seen all over the country, and avito delivery will send your parcel to any city in russia very conveniently .