so that those works that, in general, thanks to which he achieved such knowledge and skills, were, in general, there, well, given to the new generation to the generation. uh, new scientists, uh, students, graduate students, and so forth, that is, through the procedure mentoring through the procedure. there some teaching lectures and so on. this is very important for a person, we really don’t like to share it in nature, but we love to share knowledge very much. mi da would like to add that yes, uh, the child does not need to be explained what my the child has to explain that this is not your ball. not your word. it's not his that's something yes, yes one of the first words that children learn, and so that possession. yes, it is in us from birth. in addition, people want to own not just something, but more than someone else. and this is a manifestation of the general principle of the whole, kinjara. there is such a henry

tyson as an american politician a mastodon of modern geopolitics for 100 years. he has traveled all over the world, talked to representatives of all human cultures, and he says that there is only one common feature of all people on earth. each person considers himself to be in a certain group, and there is another group, which he considers inferior. that is, he considers himself to be in group a and there is group b, and he believes that a is better than b. well, how do mipt students consider themselves better than students of the faculty of physics of moscow state university, or on a more serious note, the british, on a subconscious level, consider themselves better than russians, if this is a universal principle that describes the character trait of all people from savages in the amazon jungle to scientific and technical elite. what are our chances to build a society of general equality. we'll deal with this later. yes, it’s still a false point, in

fact, it’s still property. it arises because all the resources that are around us are limited. this is the key point, if there were an infinite amount of resources, then, of course, no one would want to have this actually. well, i went and got it. but here we have, unfortunately, the situation is not like that and we depend on what, then, what we can count on yes, the russian north. well russian baikal anton viktorovich thinks that possession is not some kind of static state. for example, i own something. this dynamic state in the consumption system, possession in itself is not valuable possession, which demonstrates your social gravity in the structure of society and consumption. that's why it matters. what is more beneficial for society, so that everything is here is general or still private not for a particular person, but for society. here, uh, this question is not here, first of

all, the choice of an ethical paradigm. that is, if we choose an ethical paradigm within the framework of which the individual exists for the sake of the family, for the sake of the good, a large family, like a state, yes, or we are talking about a society in which, let's say, utilitarian ethics implies the multiplication of good in the interests of everyone, so that everyone lives well , but at the same time, no one needs some abstract greatness. yes, so this question is here. it just rests on a basic understanding of what we should if china chooses what and every single citizen is not important. what matters is the common good well, that means everything around kolkhoznaya everything around me is a philosophical question, because china chooses as su. who, after all, someone makes the choice, you understand the huge number of millionaires and billionaires who, here i was in las vegas , came only chinese, i must have watched rich chinese. well, okay, about this i have something in the top,

therefore, i will simply cut it out. well, yes. they didn't. well , it's just a matter of communism really. this is a question. does a person have an incentive to work in order to get something like that, here's an additional one, then there is, if communism, and how we force an ordinary citizen, it means to develop somehow, it means to somehow invest our efforts. that is, here is the consciousness about which they spoke then. well , yes, if it’s soup, and if the soup is really here, in fact, it may not be in material terms, but what can stand out will be the very social rating, how much people we have, which status. in general, probably, especially among young people. now we will see the new generations that are coming. yes im status less less important. they want cars, but they want expensive watches. this is not a priority for them. the only thing that matters to all of us is our status in comparison. oh well, i just yes regularly communicate with the students of the same

all, yes, because they were a significant part of the organization that i lead and i see that each new generation of graduates. caring less and less about status. well, excuse me, but at the same time they graduated from the physicotechnical institute. what and so on it's when they finish they come out of it really wonderful one of the no. they try to have fun in well, let's say, scientific work or in some other work. that is, they are trying to develop harmoniously, so to speak, to live the way they like it, and maybe in every sense for them this is communism. by the way, hmm find your place in a good project good scientific work. this is also a status. yes, yes, yes, arrange your own statuses. we continue to walk through the country of talent the year of the cultural heritage of the peoples of russia well,

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digital communism will come digitalization is argued by our expert professor kapustin you can often hear that surveillance of citizens violates human rights, but they say so, only those who have not actually encountered big problems. well, the closest example of covid, a complete violation of rights a person not to go without a mask, mandatory vaccination mandatory quarantine, and so on and so forth, but when you have a choice to live or observe human rights. the answer is clear. in general, it is very good when artificial intelligence knows about you. all of you ended up in the hospital, and it is already known what you were sick with. what are your contraindications? how you were treated, artificial intelligence. able to choose the right food for you, he will advise. how best to manage your money in the bank. he will take you on a journey

your preference for tropical islands or ski slopes. and yes, it will tell you. which season is best for you? total information - this is good, in fact, artificial intelligence is becoming our main assistant, but we must also remember that social networks. today it is the amplifier of evil alexander alexandrovich well, in general, my dear skeptics. i have a question for you. and look , it turns out, and the whole digitalization of society, but social networks are pushing us towards a certain sharing - this is some kind of commune of the 21st century. if you need bitcoins mine all together. this is energy sharing, and pavel alexander said that we have such a universal sharing of knowledge, it turns out that digitalization itself pushes us into some kind of communism, that is, the technologies themselves are pushing. if we talk like ordinary people, yes, we are all the time, uh, interested in what is happening with official networks, uh, in those systems that are oriented

to consumer demand, and in respect with digitalization - this is not quite the main thing about this, why digitalization beats - this is the efficiency of the economy and exactly for this reason large transnational corporation. they play this game, because it is beneficial for them, it reduces their costs and increases their income, and the main profit comes from the production sector, digital platforms there. production is the basis. well, as they said in soviet times basis yes, and the superstructure is, uh, social networks of the ecosystem, which means are focused on consumer demand and so on. so. here. why is this the main thing, what is there in production, because the real increase in efficiency is increase in labor productivity and a sharp increase in income. well, actually, if incomes grow, they are busy, as it should be less and, accordingly, it is necessary, so to speak, to do something with those people who do not work very busy. yes, it means that our efficiency is gradually growing and busy. less

less less less corporate income more and more and more and more. we are facing the factor it is difficult to raise corporate taxes we raise corporate taxes in our time more money, where we spend money by distributing to citizens who it means that they need this yes point, well, in the limit to pay for people not to work, and in the limit and in the limit we have the very communism about which the conversation is now waiting. where does it come from, really? yes, all these stories from social networks. yes, here we are, as if they were spudding us there. that means there is something to do, but in fact , look how much the platform has appeared. we can watch the movie is not working. you can upload a series there from morning to night, but everything is in business, it seems that the state gives us money wonderful question of motivation arises in this case the question of motivation, because in fact, it means, uh, that's there or the experiences of the unconditionally basic income that we already have and so on. they show that people's motivation is really declining, clearly that there are creative classes that still can't carry something on the spot anyway. yes, it will work, but the rest,

whether there will be a degradation of society, when everyone is sitting in serials, it means nothing in the networks. make they have no task and purpose for development. they may not learn at all. why is this a very philosophical question, but i have, uh, so to speak, i know for sure that, according to aleksandrovich , he has something to say about this. thanks alexander sanych but really, using an example from the private, they themselves agreed, and we do not work, for now, communism is in a separate corner from the private to such more professional ones, perhaps, as an example, but in my opinion, in some areas. we already live in such a digital communism we don’t realize it ourselves, but many of us are subscribers of various streaming services, which alexander aleksandrovich has already mentioned. i personally consider myself to be, let ’s say, music lovers are actively collected there, using in general, but we are ready to pay for this convenience, we are ready to pay for access to all the music in the world to make it convenient, and

the quality of these streams is good vinyl. you still won't give up. there are unique and there are unique editions. which did not come out in digital form and, probably, this one is just for this, but let's say so the material on this medium is good for theme, but honestly, i confess to you that it is becoming less and less. i'm staring at my shelf from the vinyl collection, because everything, in principle, is already replacing a good quality streaming service, including in terms of sound quality. but these are such private things. yes, but as for the professional environment. now, if you look at the training of personnel of the m-m scientific block of the state corporation rosatom, then today we, uh, provide an opportunity for students of a university that they later want to connect his life atomic science and technology, but some remote cloud access to those, and research materials are the result of experiments that were carried out. generally. well, in part, it means that there are atomic technologies, and it’s one thing to provide simply to databases. well, today they read a book there. yes, but that's another matter. we have now

gone further, we provide access to the so -called digital twins of our nuclear research facilities and various unique equipment. what is a cyf? double, well, that is, in fact, this is a mathematical digital model that allows you to conduct a similar experiment, but only in digital form it is clear that it will never replace a torn, but, nevertheless , under approximate conditions, conduct experiments that could then be verified , and on a full-scale experiment on a real installation, but the student, let's say, access to it, is unlikely to be provided, if anything, there are security issues and other issues. and that is, we step over, let's say so, into a slightly different e, the channel of this germ of digital communism, when we do not just provide access to content, we will even call content some materials and results of experiments. it already provides access to those tools with which the content is done, you understand, this is already far away. next redistribution. and this is on uh, there will be some basis. uh, hmm possible

gratuitous you know, that's the question. no matter how someone, well, keeps this system for what it is needed, because participation of even the most simple is simply participation. a new scientist who makes a new contribution with his knowledge and some new research in this system, this is his contribution and he does not need to pay any money for this to konstantin mikhailovich you. uh, like to be terrified too, so that's really the question. support me in this horror. and you said that we are now between digital feudalism and digital capitalism, which, as it were, is being forced by communism, yes. in any case, all this is based on the fact that there are many needs and few resources. here we are a country in the middle, in which everything is the other way around we have few people and little work, well, just needs, with a huge amount of resources. here they are squeezing on us. what do they want from us? or they don’t need us at all, like people, they only need our resources to the west. we are needed as a

resource colony. they just need resources. well, like how haiti is like everyone else, actually countries that, with the exception of a few countries, are the beneficiaries of the modern beneficiaries of the modern world order. i don't know what to say about it now or not. well, uh, if you take and count the goods, produced raw materials, as a continuation of the energy flow, that is, they made a pen from gas plastic spent energy and if you build a map of all the energy flows of the earth, taking into account goods, it turns out that the whole earth all the energy flows of the earth go to three regions in the united states western europe japan that is , if aliens would fly in now and look at our earth, they would say. oh what an interesting planet, the whole earth works for the inhabitants of three regions of the usa western europe and japan that is, this is a world order that

they want to keep. and we, that is, we are china, we have been diligently changing this world order for the last 10 years, changing slowly but surely, and naturally, they don’t like it, so what comes from the west is the vision of the west - this is that russia is a fragmented colony that supplies energy is a raw material, in general, in fact, the world economy, modern, in contrast to what we had there during the first world war ii. she is very different dependent on each other much more than anyone else. in this regard, i would also like, for example, europe without our gas, as we now see, and other energy carriers will be much more competitive. looks worse. well, with the same china, the united states is not, but yes, if we are talking about china, then america cannot refuse chinese goods, because they are produced by their own. and the links and links between the american and

chinese economies are such that even with all the desire to quarrel and, so to speak, quarrel with each other, they are forced to endure each other. and it's a matter of what the global economy is very complex interaction system. that is, if, roughly speaking, they treat us badly, then it will be costs, costs that will be incurred by the same european companies, american american, to a lesser extent, america behaves this way because we have no connections. well then. i have a question for our guests, optimists and skeptics. i already understood that from digitalization. we're not going anywhere. yes, there are still questions with communism, but nevertheless, this digital communism. it will be mandatory for everyone. a and i i will have to participate in it, if i don’t want to, but if katya doesn’t want, and, for example, they won’t take me what to do with it. by the way, the short answer is to find others who are just as dissatisfied and not accepted and create your own shadow society. they won't

let us. well, as always, they will write on social networks that we suck with our own, because the social rating that professor kapustin spoke about in china is mathematically unstable, if a person’s social rating falls below a certain level, he can no longer increase it. that is, he is gradually amazed in the rights, they are a certain level. it's already getting too hard to do something that gets him promoted because he's already limited in what he can do and he's falling down. and this is a modeling error of the mathematical current system, any social rating works and so that after that it falls to the bottom becomes what is called a declassed element in the soviet union and in order to correct this china did the same as the soviet union the mechanism of taking on bail when the team can temporarily give one person

an increased social-creating, if he justifies the trust, then everything is fine. and if it does not justify, the rating is removed from the entire team. but these are isolated cases, but in general you need to be prepared for the fact that if you are not accepted, or you lose your rating, you become a declassed element. and you need to create a shadow society and be prepared for the fact that this shadow society will have a close spike with crime, a real example, yes, in real life. we saw it all a few years ago in in the united states, when the activists took the young city area, the activists said, we are for all the good against all the bad, we are the power here. we have our own alternative society and the authorities of the states of the state. they said fine, wash your hands. live as you wish. well, these activists held out for 2 months, and then the leader of the negro gang came with a big gun and said, i am here in power and

the power of the hipsters has turned into the power of crime , about the same will be from your shadow society. anton viktorovich discriminated in general nowhere. yes, maybe communism is so digital, if it suddenly starts and which runs over us, apparently from the west there, it can be mandatory for all of us, what should we do? do you understand? is it necessary is it necessary for me? the law of attraction is mandatory yes, how about how for a physical object? some basic background social conditions are just as necessary for me as for a social being, like the laws of attraction, if i overcome them, i have no chances in this society and the example of konstantin it’s just that he’s not talking about what is possible, about the fact that it’s impossible to get out of the limits of established social work. that is, they are not, that is, they can be

formed in some kind of chaotic background image or some kind of carriage. but, if we want to overcome the background conditions of our social life, then the solution is not to organize a commune, but to go to one of the good mountaineering stores, buy a good backpack for everything else and go to the mountains. yes or where exactly is the island or something like that, the only thing but to me our discussions in general seem to be, uh, missing one alternative. we talked about feudal digital feudalism. or let it be digital capitalism or digital communism. everything, these are not only ways of organizing the economy, but also ways of control that can be established effectively over economic processes. why is this important for counter- seemingly opposite points of view, because here in the example of pavel aleksandrovich about e, streaming services about music. this is an interesting example. yes, what makes him interesting

nfc technologies have now appeared; these are not fungible tokens. unique to these technologies ft, allows musicians and consumers to connect. bypassing all these platforms of shearing. and the same. uh, we see in the issue of the development of active development, fintech and digital, well , cryptocurrencies, yes, this is an alternative to digital anarchism. this is where they lived, if we talk about some stable terms, then digital anarchism or digital concentration camp. this is the level of control. this is what digital communism characterizes the level of control over each social unit, starting from the group, ending with the individual total control. and it's very interesting. why? because

when we talk about digitalization, in our discussion we get such an interesting impression that the audience can get, as if digitalization is moving at the same pace everywhere, but this is not so. yes, if we come, here, i came to the usa there and went. my friend and i go to his store, you know, such a ring for payment, yes, yes, he went there, in principle, until now. here the bill is being paid, which means, pay it off, he did it like this. what did you do, who are you called the police? all you here is this is very bright. an example is the development of digital technologies. here is their radical introduction. in fact, it is very different everywhere in the world in the countries of the southeast in singapore, for example, yes, a man somewhere threw crumbs to pigeons, where he was not supposed to come to russia, and after a couple of months we got a fine for they found him. calculate everything. they ain't no no no questions,

that is when we talk about development issues. uh, digital communism of some kind of communism. we we're not just talking about the economy. we are talking about control, and we are talking about the fact that digital technologies can either give super-control or the possibility of such digital communism. do you know how this type of cryptocurrency is called freedom in america? this is a cryptocurrency specifically for buying weapons. yes, there is a chance for us or for some country to avoid a separate one, firstly, once again the story about the fact that if we are talking about the economy, then this is really not really about the economy, because a vivid example is our example there, approximately in russia moscow yes, it seems, if here we are again, we travel abroad and end up there in other european countries. his united states, you understand that the level of development of digital technology is higher in our country, that these are all the services that we

use for a significant part. so citizens of european countries do not enjoy in russia, i know one of the fastest internet. the fastest internet is further away, and we always associate this story with economic development, and i would like these technologies to be digital and this is a movement in this direction. i would still bring not only to an increase in quality, but also levels. yes, and so on. at the end is there somewhere you can say by whom? but, but in general, of course, i absolutely agree that this is still more about society, that is, what kind of society we are building and it is clear that at the very beginning it was said, following the example of the soviet union, here in the sixties and seventies , when they tried uh, plan everything from paper clip production to space rocket production. and it didn't work because, uh, well, the system couldn't provide scheduling, so to speak. at such a level, of course, now digitalization allows you to plan it there, but is it possible now in any society in american and in russian in any one? i don’t know how to ensure the european, but the full satisfaction of these needs based

on these new forms of the digital economy. in my opinion, no, because we are dealing with social processes. of course, you can calculate that here i am, for example, buying one package of ether of the week, and this kefir represents the store that i mean, i’m visiting, but suddenly i somehow like a person. here i wanted to buy two packages of such ethers, but they are not, but they are not, therefore this is not the easiest example, in fact there are millions of such examples. so, it means that i felt sad and i decided to go somewhere i don’t know to the cinema to the theater. yes, where i didn’t go there for two years, but there? according to the plan, a drawing circle or so to speak? well, a lot of others. once again, human life is possible - it's too complicated. uh, well, as it were, the process yes, the process of the phenomenon, i would say, yes, and our society is too complicated, so to speak. here is such a substance. and in principle to plan. it's not possible here, let's stop advertising for this for a long time. ntv

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on the air, the science and you program is a program about how science will change our lives for the next 10 years, dear guests, optimists and skeptics, i have a question for you. what is the probability, in your opinion, that digital communism will come in 10 years, mr. mikhailovich, do you have a forecast? at the strength and tony we have, uh, maybe some, in general, 10 from the strength of 10% in our digital technologies or that we will not go exactly along this path, then what i was talking about, means from the very beginning of today's

transmission communism, universal equality requires a non- spherical person in a vacuum requires that people become the same under one blank, for people to change, such changes in people are required, which are even, if in general, 10%, thank you very much. anton viktorovich do you have a chance? i know you don't like probabilities, but they do exist. yes, yes, yes, forecast. what is the probability a that digital communism will come in 10 years in the world yes , zero percent in the world, because we are discussing digital communism at the level of what is quite a narrow number of countries, that is, africa yes, yes, we do not count africa. well, why count them? yes , why read south america there? and that's it?

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