and how britain ended up as a party to the conflict, i understood their decision can not stop the war about this today in our program. hello, is this the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin - my colleague ivan trushkin. we are working live on the liquidation of the mariupol cauldron, in which parts of the e, apu and militants, the national battalion banned in russia, are locked. azov enters its final phase the turning point occurred on april 11 after an unsuccessful attempt to break out of the encirclement of the ukrainian marines. as you remember then in general almost one and a half thousand people surrendered, among them there are many foreign mercenaries who tell a lot of interesting things. today we will also listen to them. and the remnants of this ukrainian grouping, according to the estimates of our ministry of defense, are about 2,000 people. they are now blocked on the territory of the

metallurgical plant. azov steel was given to them, the last opportunity to lay down their arms and be released into captivity. that is, thereby saving their lives, but they seem to have missed this chance. on sunday, the russian defense ministry proposed encircled in azov, the ukrainian fighters began to surrender and thereby save their lives for this they were given six hours, but the kiev leadership strictly forbade capitulation to the azov people. this follows from the intercepted conversations in which the nationalists asked permission to lay down their arms and complained about the lack of water and medicines. the client forbade negotiations on the surrender, ordering the nazis of azov to shoot on the spot anyone who wanted to lay down their arms among the ukrainian military personnel of foreign mercenaries to the deputy prime minister of ukraine, in turn argued that kiev was unable to negotiate security guarantees with russia, and therefore the evacuation routes from mariupol were closed

on sunday against this background, times magazine reporter simon schuster posted a message from one of the sozov militants that they would not surrender, they would not, a similar situation pressed ukrainian prime minister shmal, and president zelensky all admitted that the cauldron is probably waiting for those blocked in mariupol, but this is not a reason to lay down their weapons, in the meantime, there is increasing evidence of war crimes ukrainian army. we don't want to hear nothing about our so-called defenders. who hid behind our skirts, who threw people into the basements of the old people by the hands by the legs, people went to their apartments. they wanted to take small children to eat, so at the liberated plant named after ilyich, the russian military found a whole warehouse of anti-personnel mines abandoned by the ukrainians, prohibited by the octave convention. also, our special forces released foreign hostages, who were held by the national battalion in one of the mosques in mariupol, a special operation was carried out at the request of turkish leader erdogan killed 29 militants,

including foreign mercenaries, according to ukrainian channels, another 1,000 hostages from among civilians . held in dungeons. azov has become a difficulty in that, according to some sources, there are still a lot of civilians who have taken refuge today. uh, there is information that there are about a thousand of them there, they have, uh, also a lot of children and the military, in fact, but there are no opportunities for these people to be evacuated from there today. on monday, our ministry of defense published detailed lists. losses on the ukrainian side killed more than 23,000 military and mercenaries previously president of ukraine in an interview. cnn talking about losses. he reported only two and a half thousand dead and 10 thousand wounded, they did not believe him, even his former head of the ukrainian ministry of internal affairs zakharchenko said that zelensky was lying, because only in mariupol he was over

a corps of 25,000 people and more of it died. zelensky himself claims that the decisive battle for donbass is coming, where 40,000 ukrainian military are concentrated speak only on the terms of russia's ultimatums, such a dialogue cannot be caught up, the faster we start talking normally, the fewer people, but it's not a fact that it will be we can fight with the russian federation to take away what belongs to us, well, they have this in their office there is a competition there who has been going to fight for 10 years , is ready to fight there until the thirty-fifth year. one remark about civilians who are allegedly on azovstal. this information is not confirmed by anyone except ukrainian television, so i would apply. i to this with great great skepticism. so andrey vladimirovich since. you are with us today for a week somewhere again. so, they brought some interesting information, maybe in

mariupol, that the ukrainian side is there, as for mariupol yes, as regards mariupol , civilians became a tooth, no, really absolutely not, but there are still about four thousand representatives of us battalion, so and uh, they will not really surrender, so i think that there is still at least if will not be used on our part, certain types of weapons, thermobaric bombs, and so on. and why they won't give up. that's such confidence, because there are few connections with them. yes , if you don’t want it, you don’t want it yourself, so, uh, the fact is that they still have a few more days and uh, food and everything else and so on, and they, of course, apparently, are counting on some other solution , therefore, well, i don’t know, maybe they are

, there moscow and kiev say to go out calm and so on, so they don’t consider the possibility. there's some kind of reinforcement coming no, it's unrealistic. everything, you know, this is completely unrealistic to understand. but in principle, to be honest, frankly, there are still a few more days. uh, quite, perhaps there will be even more resistance, that is, these people are what we think. 2.000 yes, as you say, 4.000 are either suicide bombers, or them through those unstable communication channels. from kiev they convinced me of something in such a mythical beautiful that i can perceive them correctly. yes , so expect them to give up. i 100% say no one will not give up. and who do you want the last chances we gave, this is the most important is loaded today at 6:00 am, eh. eh, get ready. that's really the decisive battle already in the donbass, as they say, that's just uh, they perfectly understand the danger. this cauldron, which may appear, and therefore there

really will not be mariupol in reality. but what will happen, i just have such a decisive battle. now, if they began to understand everything, as andrei vladimirovich says, right? ah, but they must remember, uh, i don't know, there idibaltsevo and ilovaisk, that is, how much this understanding can now affect decision making decision making decision making by them, well, not by us, well, firstly, uh, if you believe uh, this information is good news. i am not a bloodthirsty person. but what to do with them, no one knows anyway, right? why don’t i know, and he doesn’t know, it’s not we who don’t know, it’s not zelensky who doesn’t know zelensky. they don't need nafig, uh, so that they come to kiev because of the brotherhood they took revenge on him. hmm, he was always afraid of the nadbats. well we remember that, yeah. there sucker, there was no sucker. yes, he was always afraid of them and rightly afraid. he therefore, if such a decision was made by a group of nazis,

let's call zelensky and his gang in kiev well , that's good. in this sense, they optimize the videos of our strategists flying in a certain direction strategically , as you understand from the cannon. they don’t shoot completely different charges suspended from them. i understand that it is finally accepted. the decision not to maintain production capacity. azov steel, because we ourselves make such steel. eh, there is something enter the market. and if so, the only problem is that it takes us several months to dig up these rubble and still get the living and the dead there. here, but this is a good decision, and i can immediately have two words about the second part about the great battle of donbass . hmm uh, yes, kiev is already talking about this. before, i didn’t even talk about this yesterday, kiev declared both the general staff and all sorts of

paid propagandists there that a movement had begun on our side? and i want to point out. well, i was just specifically asking people. and do you have the idea of ​​what is happening on the southern flank of the future is somehow cool side walks the field of kurahu. and here they are, who work like ours. there is no information on the north yes, we show, we tell, raisins, slavyansk then we will not talk about it now . no, i mean that this operation is being prepared in silence and does not help, neither nato, intelligence, nor american satellites. nothing helps. we are able to do it. this is good news, and yet, yes, it is likely that there will be two boilers in the donbass judging by the direction of the strikes donets ikh uh, one will be in the avdiivka area, and the second big group is. uh, slavic, kramatorsk hmm and according to the guys who

fight there, uh, they say that u became. uh, the answer is artillery has become much, weaker. uh-huh, that means he starts to think about ammunition and save money. eh, then eh, it has been working for a long time. uh, a counter-battery gun from donetsk that extinguishes them that is covered by uh, and uh, hmm, the resistance has become less. i just don’t quite understand, now bogdanovich’s plot will be shown in a word. why is there such a difference? that is, if we we say that there were about two thousand people on azov. oh, yes, the owners brought this figure of four, and under the donetsk group, and they say, there are 44,000 zelensky says all the time, and we say that there is twice as much difference. andrey vladimirovich is understandable, because we will now show the plot, the actual position of the ukrainian president, which is constantly changing like this, which explains it. why actually andriy maybe, somehow

, uh, as i paraphrase this ukrainian position, somehow darken or unite. let's see the plot. at in a recent interview with cnn, vladimir zelensky argued that the capture of mariupol by russian troops could become a red line for him. after her, kiev allegedly refuses to negotiate with moscow, the host of the american tv channel took the initiative with a bang, and began to talk about zelensky as a great humanist . ah, if anything, he wants as president, i have to reckon with the loss of families. and the longer this goes on, the greater the damage. we let’s take larisa, what do you think about zelensky’s answer that as a father he would like to take revenge, but as a president he is forced to act, otherwise it seemed to me that it was interesting that he was

saying out loud things for himself that are important in a relatively new political field for him. i think this just speaks of his humanity of openness, president zelensky captivates with the way he keeps unofficially sincerely, without any entourage. just dressed in this is his strength, the true ability to speak for the whole of ukraine before this interview. ukrainian president, spoke fundamentally different things statement designed for an internal audience. he, on the contrary, said that peace is needed, and for its sake many meetings at the highest level will be needed. in general, western partners slow down the work of presidential throwing puzzled even ukrainian journalists. based on the words of zelensky, the position of the west is two separate agreements in the first , western countries give ukraine military guarantees, in the second, kiev and moscow agree on peace terms. it is clear that in this case the guarantees will be directed against russia without the right to blocking voice. that is, it will be a version

of nato in miniature. to which moscow, of course, will not agree. well, for dessert, in an interview with the bbc, zelensky admitted that he began to put pressure on the political opposition expecting a confrontation with russia and, in the heat of the moment, gave up stories about the preparations to his western partners. we did not publicly agree on certain deliveries. and to be completely frank with you, and some things. we negotiated with some countries back in december, which is why we needed strong leadership from my teams that's why we fought with some political groups within our country. we started this war again. well , it’s not the first time that zelensky is giving up western partners. i don't know if it was intentional or not. bogdan anatolyevich but this is a mobile position on mariupol red line is not red line negotiations are not negotiations. whom is he trying to deceive the western audience his audience or he just tells each audience, thinking about how she would like to see and

hear him, not thinking about anything at all. just me try and walk the audience. he is also in certain conditions that these same western partners have placed on him. maybe the ukrainian establishment. you would like to conclude some kind of peace negotiations. we generally take his statements seriously. to be honest, i can take nothing seriously, and it doesn’t even matter such an analysis that you are saying now, in principle, as if what he says, now it does not affect positions in any way. it is clear that mariupol will seek as for those who are locked up by morilli. well, they have , uh, only two alternatives, either to be killed or to be captured and receive some kind of sentence, most likely a very long prison term. as for these people, vasily prozorov, a former sbu officer who, by the way, is now part of the people's militia, when did you communicate with me? i naively asked him. well, maybe these people can be used somehow, maybe they can be sent to pmcs somewhere. here they will send them somewhere to africa. do they like to kill? well, let them shoot. no it is absolute fanatics. these are sectarians. this is such a

ukrainian version of igil, banned in russia, and they will always hate russia, they will always try and harm. therefore, they have only one way out, either prison or death in battle, as for mariupol, zelensky is no different from them now. these national bads do not threaten him now. they are in the same party, on the contrary, it would be a great reputational success for zelensky. if he could somehow unblock someone to withdraw an agreement. now this medvedchuk force demands for themselves on defenders. mariupol, medvedchuk is already calling these nazis defenders from whom defenders, by the way, from us, or something, that is, and then we are interesting occupiers and some kind of pro-russian politics then turns medvedchuk if we call them occupiers, and these nazis e are defenders would be happy to block, but he has no strength, he doesn’t have enough money, therefore these people they are doomed to either die under 500 fab or 5.000 either to trying to break through in donetsk in the donetsk direction will be a really serious battle, and well, judging by the information that i

have, it is already moving forward and today it actually started uh-huh. that is, in fact, the grinding of the ukrainian army for a long time, but now it has entered a decisive phase. and in my opinion, the armed forces of ukraine, of course, are doomed in this battle. just a little later, we will still talk about how the informational ukrainian is served and brings all this, yes, and there is just a complete victory. that's why i say that here seriously analyzing the statement, he says, is the same as taking the comments seriously. uh, the colorists of the ord that we are trying to tell you now, you understand the reasoning. if you remember larisa ward, this is the most wonderful collaboration of the tin who actually found the facts of chemical weapons use in syria with their nose , remember, she sniffed her purse and said. yes, right here right there. yes, i don’t know, you are inclined to consider the vector as the statement of the ukrainian president. actually, well, there are several

moments, firstly, in fact, the last picture that i saw, where he is there in the chair, that he is either under something, or somehow tired for each audience is different. that is, he adapts to the audience, then the parliament, the greek israeli brings the american there or something else, it is clear that he is a politician in everyone. in addition, the actor understands that he plays for the audience individually, each audience individually in fact. he didn’t particularly betray anyone there when he said that in december he had already discussed deliveries weapons and preparation for some kind of military action, because both the americans and parts of the european allies. they openly said then that they were already supplying weapons to ukraine, that is, they were supplying quite a lot of large volumes of weapons to ukraine in advance of the following, with regard to discrepancies in quantity. here is the personnel of the group about what he handed over here, if you look at his words, to be frank, we agreed on some things. back in december , we are talking about what is being delivered now,

as far as i understood him, the agreements were in december. that is, if they got together and said that they said that they deliver and will deliver even more about the january deliveries. a somewhat literally short remark is already being carried out. in terms of personnel, in terms of quantity. why is such discrepancies for the ukrainian side beneficial for zelensky to downplay the number of soldiers and officers of the donbass group? why for several reasons in the first place, because it is convenient to talk? yes, what is a small amount soldiers and officers, how are you there for some time , the russian army will resist, this is the first. that is, as if there were few of ours, that is, it was easier to write off fewer people. i you correctly there is one more reason. well, they, in principle, understand in ukraine that the chances are quite high that this will be the donbass group? broken uh-huh and then it will be necessary to somehow present it to the rest of the

ukrainian society, yes, and somehow they are still motivated for further battles. but if we admit that there are 90,000 or more people, then it will be quite obvious for the apu and for the ukrainian society that the apu has lost very significant forces, that further resistance will be quite problematic, therefore it is beneficial for them to pre- and zelensky and in general, ukrainian propaganda is beneficial. how can one downplay the number of a and the strength, and the donbass grouping all the way, because they are already looking to the future, when this grouping can be broken, as they will, and ukrainian society will report about this, how interesting they look at the future. that is, as needed will, then uh medina uh, bring your own rout. i look ok what is he thinking, if now there are 4,000 there are 80,000, then he announces i insist there is simply, well, those men who are today are fully mobilized. it is hostages from ukraine that the woman

left the man remained, these hostages do not know how to fight. this is the civilian population. give them an idea, they need to go to the rescue to help, mariupol there is some kind of donbass and the children will die, and then the agenda is completely different for me. it's terrible. but this satan who says, look carefully. if it doesn’t work out now, as we thought, then i don’t know who it is. maybe there is someone ringing the bell . he may be marinka, he is crazy, but he says, let's destroy here 400 thousand of the active population of ukraine in this meat grinder. a good idea will release you. these are fields. he solves the demographic problem of ukraine not only there in the form of national battalions. he's just dealing with the feeling right now, you know the body. this is ordered. from kirov he was ordered to destroy ukraine in that absolutely everything in the north, but it turns out that hmm, he sees this future of his own. it’s quite optimistic, that is, it won’t be, everything will be fine with a certain political leader. and

all this poles in london will start in exactly the same way, like, i think that he sees his, uh, future is optimistic, because this future depends on how he plays the role that he has now been assigned . it's very strange to take it apart. and why does the actor say they are different? yes, because he's about it when you play the role of the president of the conditional bazarova is very strange if, according to the text of fathers and children, today you say one thing, and the next day it is fundamentally different. well, if you play some kind of you go and sweat, a citizen of the bazaars was quite such a person without a trailer, and he could quite freely say one thing at first, and then a completely different thing because we now have postmodernism and the screenwriter and directors can quite do this allow. this is the first second about the fact that he betrayed someone, this is just more proof that zelen himself is absolutely not it depends on the war to continue the war to start the war

to end, it depends on the directors and screenwriters that what is happening now was painted before. here they mentioned the december deliveries. it's really a fact, it's leaked. uh, media, uh, information, there was then a small scandal that in december, at the beginning of december, the americans delivered several thousand, and e grenades to ukraine with an underbarrel mortar. e grenade launchers, sorry, which were not in ukraine, and these grenade launchers themselves were delivered only in mid-february. that there is all this, all these deliveries are not what he has turned to now. and it was all pre- planned. this massacre has already been painted simply. we started it earlier with a warning blow. that's what it's about, not zelensky - this script was written not by zelensky, it

will belong to the initiative to put an end to it. when he speaks, we will not negotiate. moscow is indeed negotiating with him. let's go west. if the request wanted to find a compromise, it would have already entered into negotiations with us even when before, who is what there wrote, uh, and let's just move on to talking about british mercenaries, because he is very active , and british prime minister boris johnson , by the way, you probably heard that we banned him, entry and him and all of his foreign minister there and so on. well, this is how it's officially presented. so, he called on saturday, in my opinion, again in kiev he said that we would not leave you there, we would support you in every possible way, and the british press believes that the main reason was different, because they began to call and stay twenty eight. not a former medical worker eydnestlin in syria, he fought on the side of the syrian kurds in

ukraine, according to esslin, he was not going to fight, nor was he going to kill people. he just has a bride here and there is no way out. i had a mortar, but i refused to fire. i told the commander that i didn't want to fight and they sent me to the bunker. i fought at the very beginning, when ukraine was a good country, but then i realized that they are not making the right decisions that can stop the war, they are not going to change. back in january both mercenaries appeared on the air of the british tv channel sky news, where they agitated volunteers from the uk to come to ukraine, promising them money and equipment, about 300 people responded to the call. and now all non-coke nerds who will not be destroyed in battle, according to the statement of our ministry of defense, are guaranteed long prison terms the washington post claims that london would not mind changing british heroes. viktor medvechuk

was approached by his wife oksana martinakh with such a proposal to the families of british prisoners. ask the prime minister of your country, boris johnson, to influence the ukrainian leadership and achieve the release of aiden and sean by exchanging them for my husband viktor medvedchuk, a ukrainian opposition politician detained by the kiev authorities. earlier in kiev, it was stated that they were ready to exchange medvedchuk for thousands of captured vushniks, such an idea was proposed by vladimir zelensky himself, but the british prisoners had already applied. personally to boris johnson, mr. boris johnson and sean pinner, a lot has happened in the last 5-6 weeks . i'm not completely up to date with the latest developments. as far as i know, viktor medvedchuk is being held in custody, and we are sitting on the maize. we would like to be exchanged for him we will be grateful to you for your help in this matter with me. well i understand the position i'm in is all i can say we're being fed by the train. well, a short quote, then bogdan anatolyevich mentioned

medvedchuk's appeal. you have to understand that it was recorded and distributed by the sbu, yes, that is, the security services of ukraine, so this is medvedchuk himself. did you come up with it or did you come up with it for him? we don’t know, it means that the appeal to putin and zelensky is what they say there, really. here is what bogdan anatolyevich said, asking him to exchange him for the defenders of mariupol and the residents who are there today and do not have the possibility of a safe exit through humanitarian corridors. end of quote. yes, alexei gennadievich i think that this is a british ukrainian drama. as you see it, i think that, of course, we are talking about e not fighters, but someone there on azov remained sitting much more seriously and larger from all lines of view. still propaganda. yes, in uh and so on there, someone is sitting there, someone is very needed. west. actually, this is why this curious video was played and we need it and we now move on to

this about the fact that we need a curious video. just look here, yes, medvedchuk was already changed at 3:00. he is completely different, not the beaten and exhausted one, but the uncle, yes, whom they presented to us. the military uniform is thick there, but now it’s really about the fact that you need the lightest in the current situation. we are fine we understand, but just screw up the whole azovstal to hell, well, just to hell with it. well, this is the easiest and simply the easiest, nothing was done at all, wait until it’s not so, but the easy is conditional, everything is clear. changed my mind. it seems to me that for russia, from all points of view, it is much more important to get them out alive, in order to put them on trial, in order to present russian humanity to the whole world and to erect, to mean that you deny the possibility of an exchange, because how to exchange it completely, what there paper say to be honest, yes, because medvedchuk's exchange.

it seems to me in our country, again, that's from your trip. here, and there they understand, uh, well, the absurdity of the situation when ukrainian. they want to exchange ethics for ukrainian citizens of ukraine for a citizen of ukraine, and there is still some bunch of britons for ukraine. well, the ukrainian leadership does not consider medovich as their own, it is absolutely not their own. what's more, uh, it's very beneficial for the kiev game. still, i’ll clarify, but they don’t consider him a citizen of ukraine because this is a person with a ukrainian passport, a citizen who is protected, as it were, protected by the so-called ukrainian political laws, they consider him an enemy of ukraine, a traitor, and so on, so i’m talking about exactly what it would be very profitable for them to exchange. in fact, it would be very beneficial

, relatively speaking, there is a very, very kind on the table. yes, cool. i just want to say, unfortunately, unfortunately, not yet.