about this today in our program. hello , this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear in the studio of andrey norkin and ivan trushkin. we are working live. today we will have a program practically without, uh, any military reports, but nevertheless we will start with important news that is directly related to the code of the military special operation, and today the complete liberation of mariupol was officially announced somewhere around noon , it became . it is known that defense minister sergei shoigu reported to the president and the supreme adding commander-in-chief vladimir putin. that in order to take control of the azov steel plant, where about 2,000 fighters of our azov battalion are still hiding, it will take several days, but putin canceled the assault on azov steel. that is, as i understand it, there was already a decision, and azov began to be stormed. so, according to putin, this is not advisable. need to save. the life and health of the

russian servicemen must be replaced by an assault with a complete blockade of this territory, so that, as the president said, the fly does not fly. let us here. this dialogue let's start about the liberation of mariupol vladimir putin was reported by minister of defense sergei shoigu according to him, the remnants of ukrainian militants of foreign mercenaries, about 2,000 , are completely blocked on the territory of the plant. azovstan. the president suggested abandoning the assault on the industrial zone and explained why the proposed assault was industrial. i order cancel this is the case when we must think, that is, we must always be, but in this case, even more so about saving the life and health of our soldiers. no need act objects. block off this industrial zone so that the fly does not fly through

the russian side guarantees. all who are injured will be rendered. qualified medical assistance through humanitarian corridors from mariupol managed to withdraw almost 143,000 residents , sergei shoigu reported, almost 1,500 ukrainian soldiers of militants and mercenaries surrendered. and now i have suddenly announced the readiness to join the evacuation, the united states although earlier all attempts were made. the withdrawal of people actively disrupted by the ukrainian side was the hope that the russians could allow the safe evacuation of mariupol residents and wounded soldiers. and if this happens , nato allies may be involved earlier, such an agreement was allegedly broken several times for

help with evacuation to western curators. on wednesday , the commander of the thirty-sixth marine brigade of ukraine serhiy valyno also applied. he wrote down the message, sitting in the blocked azov of steel, we appeal to world leaders with a request to help us we appeal to apply the procedure of extraction to us and bring us to the territory of the third state, mariupol the garrison of the military with us more than 500 wounded soldiers and hundreds of civilians, including women and children. we ask you to provide us with a safe place on the territory of a third country. noticeably, the ukrainian negotiators david arakhami and mykhailo podolak also became more active. they said that they were ready to go to mariupol in order to agree on the evacuation of their guys without any conditions somehow they didn’t become more active about the evacuation

of their children, they are ready to go there and everyone participate somehow at once, somehow, somehow open the tap. this is the work of the west to show that the heroes are resisting there. we do everything here. as a matter of fact, these people. they just sat and didn't say anything. now, when the situation is hopeless, they began to become more active. this is the first second, after all, i am absolutely convinced that foreign specialists are present there, the part that tried to break into mariupol was destroyed. moreover, with close helicopters, but units including french officers of the british. intelligence officers, uh, i really don't want them to fall into the hands of russian servicemen alive, uh, so bring this to a third country. although it is difficult to appear, but somehow you can bring russian troops around to a third country. uh, so, here, i think, here all such things. well, in principle, the decision of our president today is absolutely correct. why are they there to waste

the lives of our servicemen to go into these huge, hardest underground. e, means the premises of azov steel. uh, they really blocked and there are no civilians in general, uh, they discussed back, no, civilians. yes, that's why everything is clear. uh, people have to give up. do i understand correctly that now those countries whose representatives of the armed forces are on the territory will appear, they will begin to put pressure on us, wanting us all kinds of new fifteenth packages of sanctions. and vice versa to say release and we will weaken something for you there, right? i will show up here. here are the main interests. they have already shown up they showed up earlier. uh, look how many macrons, uh, have made attempts. uh, and eventually stopped calling before the first round. he passed the first round and immediately got a phone number. he put off he

got. the answer he received was the answer, firstly, secondly, the election of him now, there is still a moment to go through this. i think that he will win, but uh, there is quite a serious attitude against him, but what is the principle and for the latter i conclude, and macron. he fired the head of his intelligence. very intensified then johnson well, the chancellor. uh, austria has already flown in, as also a mediator on the same issue, including a closed issue. this is the fundamental point of the president's decision. right indeed. they are there, uh, azov fighters, they are surrounded by nowhere to go. they won't be able to, and eventually the resources they have will run out, and they'll either have to leave, or they 'll basically stay there for the rest of their days. this whole story will be completed in this way, the fundamental point is that these are not just some kind of soldiers, even these are extremely fanatical radical nationalists, and no one can really guarantee, even if they get to a

third country, that later they will not be returned to the territory of ukraine and will not continue their struggle against russia, so not under any circumstances, of course, let's them output. some third countries. it even needs. just look, this mr. rakhami, an amateur without gods, has become more active, mr. pole has become more active, i'm sorry, i doubt that these gentlemen are for the sake of even proven fighters of the national battalions they go to offer to come there to mariupol, decide something there, and so on. they need them already shown. something has already been suggested that they are ready to come there. it's not for us batov, i'm trying to understand this. some western stories are not only the point, that the very history of these several thousand. uh, azov people, it is for ukrainian society. here is the one that supports kiev. it is important in that if they are, in the end, they will be smoked out of there, or they will end their days there. it will be an image for ukraine, a very difficult story, because they will say that there

was no support for a breakthrough to them. they did not receive enough from kiev from finding out other parts. they were left there alone, and this is it. and that this fate will await the same fanatical fighters in other cities, who will condemn the russian. that's what the ukrainian authorities want to show, that they are trying by all means ukrainian in society. this is viktor , but he continues to be sure that mariupol is resisting ukrainian tv channels. they represent it all. so what's the mulle go on fights and so on. yes, they will eventually be smoked out. when they when they are there their history, there they will end in azov, they have become more ukrainian propaganda, with all its effectiveness, will no longer be able to continue to say so. i already said, i think macron got the answer. uh, that no one will give anyone to anyone. the rest received the same answers. but the most important thing is that both the nazis of azov in mariupol and the nazis of the right sector near avdiivka. they

still i'm setting it up they keep haggling for them civilians - it's alive goods for trade. uh, if you give us a corridor, we'll stop killing them, and these high-ranking western military. i, too, in this conviction, who are in azov, for them, this is also a living commodity. if you don't let us out, we'll kill them, they got the answer, kill them. stanislav oleg but wait, but after that, well, after some time, the content of today's conversation between putin and shoigu will reach them. only now they will definitely kill them. no. here are some airstrikes for me. and it will be for sure. they are, i understand, but then here after all, what decision will i make, because i agree with viktor zhozevich that there are ideologically absolutely such people for what? yes, how they will behave, that is, they will try to make a breakthrough, risking death. and they, i

don't know, will sit there until they die there, and or they will still surrender, because if i don't commit suicide, well, of course, listen, well, what is this a fortress, masada, or what? there is? of course, they are all psychos, then everything is possible if they cross out, oh, well, not a hero, foreign high-ranking the military, well, liquidated, then they will go for a breakthrough; moreover, they will now wait. eh, when? parts of e, the main e and donetsk russian will be transferred to another front in the kurakhov area. this will begin to happen today already somalia has already gathered hmm and they are there only, by and large, the escort units will remain, which will hold the perimeter, well, the cameras, about which genovich is already sitting. yes, they will set up a camera, there really will be machine guns there, well, artillery is needed, and so on. and they are there there are them there under 2.000 they are they will shoot their wounded and they will try to go

to the right. i'm sure of it. uh, how when there will be less of our military in the city, so let's not forget. eh, the story came up a few times. and is she true? this, of course, is not odessa, but under mariupol yeysk , this would not be the bunker that stood under azov, but the old catacombs guys from mariupol whom i personally know, they even know the name of the streets where the exit from them. it's just that they say they're all swamped uh but they'll look for a way out or go right. so the guys from mariupol who know the streets should have asked. yes, what do you expect? what after all, yesterday the mayor of maryupol, here is the kiev mayor, who fled. now he has shown up. he said that you will stay there for two weeks. here's what a colleague just said. uh, that means alexander and what will they come to you. now reinforcements, we will block you, that is, they make them on purpose. these are the hostages of the situation. they

know everything for us. uh, they have equipment from elon musk. uh, that's why the hands don't come out so clean problems, they don't. they they know their situation. i'm here then on this morning's military news did not come. actually, we wanted to look at the other one a little bit aside, because the russian special operation actually raised the question point-blank, how to talk about all this with children, how to explain to them what is happening, how to explain the historical background of what is happening? well, the further, the more it became. it is clear, as they say with children and as they say with adults, too. well let's just start then let's start with children. what measures are being taken in this regard last tuesday, minister of education sergey kravtsov said that russian schoolchildren will begin the new academic year. every monday they will perform the national anthem and raise the national flag. the idea was supported by vladimir putin regarding the flag anthem. yes, this is correct. and it is only in demand that it be done with dignity,

or until it is somewhere impossible to organize it in this way. it’s better to transfer it somewhere, you know, yes, well, so that the procedure itself matches the significance of the symbol of the state. russia is not a trailblazer here in most schools in the united states on a daily basis. the ceremony of raising the flag of the country and the state is taking place, students perform it in turkey, and before the start of classes, the national anthem and the raising of the flag are provided, and in schools in india, every day begins with the construction of students, where they also sing the anthem, pray or say words about loyalty to the state. also, russian schools will now study history from the first grade, though we are not talking about classical lessons, and about the lessons of the historical enlightenment, the younger students will discuss the history of their region and the little motherland and visit the museum and exhibitions, and for older students they will have

a lesson about important conversations, where teachers will talk about the main current events, as the minister explained. this is necessary in order not to leave schoolchildren alone with the information war. we will never allow that in our history we treat other peoples in a bad way, paint the people of ukraine, belarus, we will do everything, so that historical memory is preserved, and i have decided that historical education will begin in schools. from the first class. another innovation is the banner squads. according to kravtsov, they will be formed from children who have achieved success in various activities. among other things, the minister proposed to create in schools, a community of young historians called strength, in pravda stanislav ollegch, how much do you think this will help to instill patriotism in the development of it somehow in general to explain to children so that they are not only in

they watched tiktok, but they also understood what was really happening in tag currents, there are also patriotic bloggers now, obviously. not all of them are doing this for free, but generally speaking, of course, there is nothing wrong, nothing bad. in the study of history from the first grade, i, for example, loved history very much. it was supposedly my favorite subject, and again, and when they say that they can somehow endocrinate children incorrectly. listen, a person who somehow thinks critically, who is still brought up there by his parents, accordingly, he information that will be in history lessons, he will somehow critically, and rethink it, argue with the teacher. i argued with the teacher all the way, when the story began, in my opinion, from the fifth, if i'm not mistaken, now we are talking about the fact that from the first grade everyone has a history lesson and look, look what's the matter, and on the one hand, those people who as if children who are critical, yes, they are arranged, they will argue with a surprise. this is also interesting, because they support some historical moments or not. i support,

of course, but on the other hand, pain is also good from the other side, and those people who are critical employees who will simply accept the information that russia is always right both in soviet times and in imperial now yes and there and so on. they are basically the same. probably not bad either, because when a person, so to speak, does not critically perceive that russia is a good country. iran has stopped yet there are no complaints about the fact that everything is offered, but it somehow tries to be multi-layered, in general it is necessary, probably not understand. yes, now for a second there is no history lesson here with a textbook. yes, it will probably be something more like some kind of themed class hour. yes, there is the same experience, if we remember where in childhood from the first grade. we had stories about russian native history. and it's really very good. especially given the modern interactive features. when it is possible to include visiting films in the same format. and so to speak the museum, but and so on. this is really interesting because

that the problem lies in something. how can i say, as a teacher with 15 years of experience, and when a child already in the fifth grade begins to study history, he is to a certain extent, and in tastes it was rather difficult for him to form. already to ask, but to shove it there is interesting. now, if we form his interest in the history of the fatherland already from the first grade, then it will be easier for him to search for this information himself, analyze it and work. more a month ago. e was suzdal well, for a few days we went there wonderful, let's go walk, and there it turned out, as if you had to cross here, uh, across the kamenka river and you come out straight. actually, in the kremlin, it is on the banks of this river kamenka there, here is the famous suzdal museum of wooden architecture, where this cheese fair takes place and there is a bus stop. and there were a lot of buses with children's excursions. i didn’t quite understand where the children came from, in my opinion, there were many from

vladimir, but, in my opinion, they were from moscow. one excursion was exactly from moscow. because the children went like that. well, very well dressed right here yes and conversation, they had appropriate they go the same. well, children, they are like sparrows, there they chirp chirp and two girls walked in front of us and one girl told how she and her parents rested and where and so she is very colorful. uh, she was describing the atlantis hotel in dubai, that is, they lived on this palm island. here is atlantia, it is considered one of the most expensive hotels there. here, then we were still, so somewhere like this, well, i ’m walking like this, and my wife and i are also talking, we think. here's how the reactions of these children to the fact that here they are now they have created it and will see it. well, of course, we didn’t go through the whole excursion with them, but when we reached the table where all kinds of horseradish mead were sold for adults, and pies for children, the

atlantis hotel was forgotten. uh, instantly, because, then, there they ran in a race to these pies. we started there, which means they were studied and then we saw the next table. there was generally some kind of crap, like these hmm cockerels were caramel. i don’t know they are still children, but why am i remembering this now? when you said they were already in the fifth class, they already have well-formed interests and shove something in there, that is, shove suzdal into a hotel. atlantis will be difficult. unless some work has been done before. so this work should include itself, but the whole breadth of studying not only history, as a purely class lesson, but precisely the format of russia as a large state, where it exists and was created and it is. oh, of course, it’s kurgan to understand what exactly the minister is offering, because we have raised the topic of patriotic education. once again, yes, including education in school and constantly there are people who are very critical of this, let's

see this story now even then. the authorities of some russian regions, without waiting for a signal from above, showed their own initiative in terms of patriotic education. so in the voronezh region, from monday, classes in schools began to begin with the raising of the tricolor a in cheboksary two weeks ago, during the lessons, they began to perform the national anthem. however, not all teachers - this is appreciated and considered too much. still insufficient pension. you have already been discussed and there are some regions who practice this, then it would be necessary to study the experience of these regions in more detail and not rush, but we need to expand this practice throughout the country. let's give emotions of a sublime nature, and not just some other implemented initiative of a hardware character, from

september 1 last year, a project of patriotic education of citizens, new curricula, was launched in ten regions at once. called to instill in students the correct understanding of russia and its historical roles in schools. there is even a new post of parenting advisor. he will help the schoolchildren find themselves, and the director and god will correctly interest the students, some were critical of this. it is a deep delusion that you can plant a child and tell him, you must behave well, learn to respect elders, he will listen to all this and leave. but often, on the contrary, this causes rejection. the only true option for education is for the teacher to set an example for children, but in st. petersburg a whole scandal erupted in one school for students of the fourth class at the lesson and feelings of the motherland showed a fragment of the documentary program besogon, aired on the russian tv channel about the origin of fascism. in ukraine, the parents of schoolchildren were outraged that they were

filling their heads with propaganda, and the cinema itself was generally marked 18+, the teacher was demanded to be held accountable. administration. she promised to sort it out, but the teacher herself. i don’t see anything terrible in my actions, i think that, uh, a child can’t be out of politics, because he still hears it all around him and does wrong conclusions, and because of this, movements such as navalny's rallies in support arise, which is also for our children. might not be a very good example. well, how do you understand the claims are all piled up in a heap? yes, and someone is worried that it will be such a routine formalism somehow. yes, someone means dissatisfied, which shows the work of nikita sergeevich what is scary for children vladimirovich yes, i will note that we have a main problem - this is not what we offer, but how it is ultimately implemented by you understand that in order to competently conduct ideological work, the people who

carry it out must believe in it themselves. this time we're going. then those people who theoretically should carry out this work with us today. these are people of the older generation who were brought up during the soviet union, let's say more, dear madam. well, i'm a teacher of uh russia who , as far as i understand, is now somewhere in portugal yes. yes, of course, in soviet times, due to her age, and she, of course, took a sip of patriotic education , because we will entrust mrs. edelman the patriotic education of our schoolchildren in the seventies is another matter of soviet remembrance, the education of the eighties is the most teachers who came just much more than the period of perestroika, which was formed, all these negative parts are now under the guise of pedagogy, so we

delman now allows ourselves such statements that come from patriotic education also contradict, in general, the words of vladimir viktorovich that those who educate patriotism themselves sometimes need education. i take you right understood that they must believe in it. yes, but she believes the opposite. well let me so come on, come on, please, volodya was a little curly-headed. how do i know this, where does the kindergarten come from. and what is the union of indestructible republics? wait that's bad. he was small, he had a curly head and that was it. what am i talking about? i was also brought up in the traditions of the communist party of the union of soviet socialist republics i remember the anthem of the soviet union i don’t remember the anthem of the russian federation in me it's been sewn up. yes, i'm sitting. it is this podium, where he argued, from time to time there are a lot of people who sit. we haven't for a long time. but you don’t consider yourself patriotic forces, maybe you just have

different ideas about patriotism. with us, you just said so yourself. you sit on this podium and argue with patriotic forces, opposing yourself in this way, you just have patriotism in a different way. why did it happen then? that is, you were brought up brought up, and on the podium you are different, you are bad. raised you re-educated what you have left they no longer believed and, accordingly, i could not believe them children - they feel it, therefore those teachers who do not understand now why do you need to sing the anthem in the morning to raise the flag, they have the phantom pains of soviet upbringing. they are afraid of exactly this. they themselves are in this, if we find other teachers who will express, we can only grow them , you can grow a horse, nikolayevich, i see. well, it seems to me that patriotic education. wonderful and well uh no, but if you overfeed it. there are always some concerns.

let's just rewind a little bit. in what year did vladimir vladimirovich putin return the anthem, in my opinion, in 2000 yes. how long was it impossible for the beginning of the 2000s, no, the 2000s, in my opinion, the 2000 term, how long was the first term? it was the second or third year, here is the third. yes , representatives of all sorts of liberal parties said that they would not stand under this stalinist anthem. they won't sing it, it's only been 20 years. this is a question already. it's just not discussed there is a hymn there are words. well, i, too, by virtue of education, when they begin to sing the anthem of russia, i have all the church studies, because in childhood or there once a week, obviously, they somehow listened. or maybe you do n’t even need to turn it on in the morning, of course, everything new is always perceived by respected teachers. well, be careful, now you need a new procedure, how to write it in the learning processes with that. the main problem is the staff that decides everything and we

need to find people who will sincerely believe in what they will tell the children will return to reality. that is, here we live, live, and suddenly we need to find 10 million people who sincerely so we educate them by raising the flag. with this we will begin, perhaps we are sure that here is the raising of the flag and the performance even of the anthem and the knowledge of its words. this will bring up real patriotism, because here is vladimir viktor what he really stated correctly. he did it all. so. let's ask now. and here is the man with the iron. yes , this ended, of course, not enough, only school education should be a common patriotic environment. here is a colleague said that he had started arguing with the teacher there since the fifth grade. sorry was the history of the ancient world. as i understand it, over the egyptian book of the dead and the ruins of microphagen. he argued desperately with the teacher . the point is that you can say what you understand. why is this? maybe at school? we remember

that through ninth grade. look very simply , the fact is that the teacher natalya nikolaevna khrustaleva, a wonderful, by the way, from odessa. here, and she, uh, often in addition to her own history. she cultivated some of her theses regarding, current agendas. it was the dashing nineties and it was quite interesting to argue with him, so i immediately understood the situation olegovich. let's nikolai igorevich and why do you need this cold heart? now i will explain to you what it is first. first, i'll be very brief about the plot that was. hey, my personal story. uh, ninety-four or ninety-five. this is my senior tenth grade eleven. on the line on september 1, i raise the flag of russia then to the helika anthem. for me. it was a huge honor and event. at in general in my life. if it happened every day, i would, and even every week i'm not sure what it made such an impression, so even more so when it is imposed from above the violence of the teacher is fine themselves. it is in the history of their village that the cities of the district are writing an essay about the

life of the family. teachers just need to make a living and work for support. someone else's opinion, as if a person can not. yes, it is not necessary, especially for the minister to fill me. just one more question . then now uh about what i brought today to the studio. you know what we're going to discuss, uh, historical memory. well, you said it was an iron. yes? it seems that this is not only an iron, when the e of our war returned from the great patriotic war , many e became a colleague, and they did not have wheelchairs, for the most part they use such e, boards. uh, with wheels and irons. i understood, yes, yes, push off and eat, do not wash your hands, and they tried to remove all this from people. uh, from the streets. ah, the museum of the blockade, uh, was closed, as you know, and victory day has ceased to be a day off, in the afternoon 18 years was not a day off, that is, the maximum. even

erase the memory of people that just happened and make some kind of gloss so that everything is fine, so that there are solid builders, so communism came out, i mean, what am i talking about because you need to talk with adults so that they really know history and can analyze the main thing, because as it turns out the same historical events. people perceive absolutely differently a lot of things trying. well , well, it wasn't, so is it necessary to teach history, as much as possible is needed, but the main thing is to educate people who will independently think critically critically now on may 9, meanwhile, nevertheless, he returned to his status, as you know, sometimes mistakes have to be corrected. you said that it is impossible to impose someone else's opinion on a person in this regard. i am sorry. we'll take a few minutes, and i have