hello, is this the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin. my colleague is ivan trushkin. we are working live. mariupol continues to be at the center of the information agenda related to the course of the special operation in ukraine, well, it’s true, special information from our side. no, we just announced that the city was liberated on azov to become blocked. well, we're sitting and waiting to deal with other issues in other territories, including, but a nasty country. hmm, nasty in every sense. here she is the statement on mariupol has become very active there, one coloring the other, so i once again draw your attention. keep in mind the statement of mr. arrestovich. we just like an epigraph. now we use it in every program. how many days three or four is already, probably, weeks, and on monday it appeared. well, i don’t remember now about the fact that the main thing, the national idea, ukraine is to lie to yourself and others as much as possible. that's because

without hmm, without this epigram, but to interpret some. ukrainian official statements me seems wrong. well, let's get into the details , there is more and more evidence that foreign mercenaries are fighting in mariupol, so according to the croatian press , at least four citizens of this country are blocked on the territory of the azovstal plant, and a total of 200 croatian volunteers went to ukraine last week, russian ambassador in zagreb andrei nesterenko said about the stay in mariupol of 200 mercenaries from croatia , according to him, they were brought to ukraine before the start of the special operation. it is possible that this topic was raised on monday during a phone call to vladimir plenković discussed the croatian premiers to putin. croats are also fighting in hell. azov steeled me 3 days ago, our tony from dolmatia called and said that they had no food, no water, no ammunition. they are angry at zelensky, at least four croats, one

dalmatian and three slavic they are fighting on the side of the battalion, azov the fact that mariupol has been cleared of the ukrainian military and the remnants of the militants, along with mercenaries, are surrounded in azov, was reported to vladimir putin on the eve by sergei the puck of the state department. the united states considered these data to be disinformation, and joe biden spoke out there were doubts that russia really controls mariupol. the only thing we know will be to allow humanitarian corridors for the exit of people in such a situation, any head of state would have done this, but so far there is no certainty in statements about complete control over mariupol myth, they have actively defeated mariupol disperses from the tape. he assures that ukrainian troops are able to regain control over the city, but this requires the help of comrades from nato hacking unblocking the city of mariupol as well as other cities, perhaps in different ways. there is

a military way to prepare for it. we are preparing to be powerful. and here we need the help of our partners. it's hard for us. the situation in mariupol is presented by the western press one-sidedly with a clear pro-ukrainian bias, of course, they don’t talk about any atrocities of the militants there, although the truth leaks out, but only through independent reporters. here is a fragment of an interview that american journalist patrick lancaster took in mariupol. he himself, it seems, was shocked by what he heard, they would try to shoot at us again. on that moment there were no dnrtsev. i saw only ukrainians. well, the game is the ukrainian army, which tried to shoot and after we left there did not stop bombing it, well, in the garage and

thanks. russian thank you russian, like the us water bread. well, that is, something helped us take out the pain on the screen to show the world what is happening here. this is so different from what the western media say, ukrainian viewers, also in an information vacuum, do not tell them that mariupol has been liberated by russian troops. but they hang noodles, as if the city heroic hold the siege, advisor. the offices of the ukrainian president aristovich even boast that russia's refusal to storm azov steel is a victory for ukraine. this means that they were afraid

of president zelensky's ultimatum that ukraine will withdraw from the negotiations, if they are finished off by the defenders , this means that they are afraid to withdraw from the negotiations. so ah, andrey vladimirovich well, let's explain to us, please, this is the ukrainian vision of the situation in mariupol, firstly, the words of arrestovich with one point of view, which is really about a day before the decision of vladimir vladimirovich putin kiev gave information that if azov steel is destroyed, then ukraine will completely stop any negotiation process. they really weren't scared, but at least we don't want ukraine to get out of the negotiation business relatively. uh, the national idea of ​​ukraine is to lie to itself and other people as much as possible. confirm words. confirm this national

idea. an information war in which everyone lies is absolutely inevitable. what if tell the truth, everything will collapse, and they will have to start all over again. well, many things, of course, certainly in that really. you're just such a litmus test. we should be able to determine when he 's lying, when he's not lying here, he's lying here, he's not lying. er, in terms of what really the question of negotiations was one of the most central to our decision. and then what about the baidan's statements that they cannot confirm. uh, what russia controls in mariupol. well, i can't say anything about it, case. in that, not from the ukrainian point of view, they know that mariupol as a whole is controlled by azovstan, it is not controlled, that is, only along the perimeter, given that there are 24 km underground.

ah, corridors. there are four diesel generators. there is also diesel for generators, but there is diesel for degenerators. and but they got up and reported andreyevich. i just make sure that what you say is true, it’s always a question for me people and call and call they periodically come to the surface and call kiev and transmit information there was not a single picture of them calling, coming to the surface. they are sitting there. it actually exists. that's it, uh, the point is that anyway, they themselves admit that, well, a maximum of 4-5 days, they will last even then they have to make a decision. yes, i don't know, no. what solution? you are in touch with these people. you are such an informed person, they will have to make decisions. you finish saying, and you say back. what decision do you understand or give up or stay until the end, so to speak. here and that's it. not here, until what? that is, either they will

surrender, or they, what is called, will go on the last attack. correctly? i perceive they have no other options, they understand this point well fine well, if you want, if you want, i didn’t just ask about the bidens, as he said, any head of state is obliged there, uh, like a humanitarian corridor every day for several hours these humanitarian for azov have become, indeed. mariupol has a rabbit problem what, and those who are on the joint they are ready to go out on humanists. only on the condition of preserving the weapons that they would then not be humanitarian. andrew then it will mix. they want to come out with weapons in russia, the president, in my opinion, everything is clear to russia. he said, we guarantee your life who needs medical assistance, but as for weapons,

the way out is a monetary corridor, just inform people sometimes. let's make it clear. give alexandrovich a response comment. so, firstly, why, and kiev and biden, they say that mariupol is not all. uh huh, that's because there is an installation of hmm by the translator's eye. e that we should not give russia the opportunity to win there. uh, since they themselves pumped up the informational word, mariupol learned it all over the world. uh, now i think that from the territory of the former ukraine . for example, if you ask an american, he is there at a gas station somewhere in a business case. he knows the words ukraine he knows the word bucha and he knows the word, mariupol bucha probably does not know, well, maybe not yet. here, uh, since they pumped up and the fall of mariupol - this is putin's victory, so they are to the end they will say there will be no one

left at all. but they'll say that we could still hold on. now, in the near future, a new geographical location will appear, most likely in the region of the donbas arc, kramatorsk with a high degree of probability, about which they will say that russian kramatorsk will never be taken. it will last a week the door, we'll take kramatorsk, let 's go. further they are already kromatorsk, it stands, and there are catacombs there too. by the way, there it is. not far from there are salt caves, that's where they are will sit for 2 months. this is, uh, the information aspect of a real war, they won't. er, well, how do you imagine coming out bytes. he says they took mariupol, and before that, they said for a month that mariupol is the most. the main thing is not to give up. he, he passed, that is, putin won the real war. it has nothing to do with it at all , by the way, about the negotiations. uh, the value of the intercom track for moscow. i have

no reason not to believe it. uh, hmm, our president's special envoy is becoming less and less and therefore, of course, keep in mind what he said on zakharov's flight that we have lost confidence ugu e maria zakharov is a very responsible official. she's not uh, unlike some of the others. eh, a free interpretation allows himself very rarely and always to stipulate this, which means, and therefore, of course , the refusal, uh, to storm. azov steel is connected exactly with what the supreme command spoke about. first of all, it is not desire. uh put, on this life of our guys. here is the second situation with mariupol, 3, because this is what they do not they say when through uh, ilona mask goes on the air. they were sure that that bunker, and this is the bunker that is located under the azovstal,

is not a catacomb. none of this is a bunker. man-made started even finished, under khrushchev. they were sure that this bunker, due to elementary logic, somehow fits into the system of old katakami. the same as in odessa, only there are fewer of them. and this is not so. this is a completely autonomous underground facility and exit. they can only go up from there. they can not. let's do the task then decide, yes, what is actually happening now during the operation, and how are they trying to present it in ukraine? well, let's start andreevich railway bridges. that's the news. indeed , there is one of them. this night , photos of a blown up railway bridge across the dnieper were circulated on social networks. ukraine claims that the russian side inflicted strikes . our ministry of defense did not comment on the fate of the bridge. however, in any case, the possibility of transporting weapons coming from nato countries by

rail became less destroyed up to 127 nationalists, as well as more than 30 armored vehicles of vehicles of operational-tactical aviation of the russian aerospace forces, 64 military facilities of ukraine were hit during the day, including 17 areas of concentration of manpower and ukrainian military equipment in the areas of red liman from drobyshev, as well as two warehouses of rocket artillery weapons in the area of ​​​​the city, zaporozhye, missile troops and artillery hit 450 enemy targets during the day , including 14 command posts, as well as 429 strongholds and places of accumulation of manpower technology in the lpr. they reported that their unit , with the support of the russian armed forces , reached the border of the kharkiv region the day before, several settlements were liberated there at once, in addition, they managed to unblock the most important transport arteries, through which humanitarian aid can be safely delivered to local residents and provisions to the military. at the same time, the adviser to the head of the

office of the ukrainian president, aleksey arrestovich , continues to follow the national idea voiced by him to lie. as much as possible, armed so called the lawyer mark fagen, he tries to be ironic about the situation. at the front. you attack in such a way that mark and i are forced to give out at least some information, at least some analytics from these heroic offensives of yours. do something that can be discussed. why, like this, like this, in russian, it's like clumsy. yes, yes there, well, at least you want to know something there. well, or let ours go so that they hang on you, they also had something to wait for. not to myself, not to people, somehow. well in short something we hope that it’s true, even the british newspaper daily mail began to suspect something. they say it is highly likely that as a result of the military operation, russia will control at least six ukrainian regions. victory could also prompt

putin to regroup his forces for new attacks on ukrainian cities in the west, kharkiv dnepr zaporizhia nikolaev and possibly odessa and kiev such a move would prolong the war for many months, possibly years and endanger ukraine's survival as a sovereign state konstantin valentine kharkiv the dnieper from zaporozhye is clearly not in the west. well , this is the daily mail, they see geography in their own way about about bridges. actually. the ministry of defense did not comment, but there is a picture, you can somehow clarify. well, you know? in principle, the destruction of bridges, whoever did this, is a good contribution to complicating the supply of weapons to the east of ukraine, this is unconditional. who did it, but if the ministry of defense does not comment, then it was not applied to a minimum, missile and aircraft strikes were complete. this could have been done by our depression group.

it's just that he doesn't consider it necessary to report. partisans. i mean, yes, a sabotage group. here, at least, at least it could be. well , the fact that this is not in the hands of the ukrainians. it's absolutely exactly right. actually, now, as far as i understand, there is all sorts of discussion about what else alexander yuryevich began to talk to us about some big battle in the donbass or a small battle in the donbass, or that this can’t be considered some kind of battle or arc at all, and it will be systematic, as the action is conditional in syria, the systematic destruction of the gradual destruction of these. it means that it is absolutely obvious now, based on the reports of the ministry of defense, that the priority way to solve the problem of destruction. this militant is their fire defeat with the use of all types of weapons of the missile forces , mainly artillery, including heavy ones. well, this is finally called aviation. here, uh, after the defeat of these here, even here they were placed, that

means. video posted on the internet the picture is like a captured stronghold vsu it 's just dug up just dug over just dug over the whole what does it mean about how it was fortified, there is a five-liter, seriously. there were concrete ones. when we are told, that's where the russians are now advancing, starting to carry out, which means a decisive battle. that is, you must understand that it will not. that's what, well, vanya is also now saying the kursk bulge there. that's it. here alexander is a collision of huge masses there, i don’t know, it will be different, so i pay attention that uh the second stage is underway. the first stage was characterized by the fact that we made a deep breakthrough. we did not take cities, left them in the rear, surrounding them and

solved the task of occupying the territory and providing the prerequisites for complete destruction, including this task in the rear of the enemy’s military equipment. we have decided to solve the task now, the second most difficult task is to destroy the grouping in the east of ukraine in the donbass. i repeat once again, because here already in october i’m talking about last year. the most combat-ready forces are concentrated there. the most fighting ability. there are none in the west. they are not there, there are reservists, in which they do not even have full-fledged equipment for crepe areas created in 8 years, so everything will be decided much easier there. just now, information has come in just before you come here, i had four calls. here's the comment. this means that an american retired general arrived in kiev, a general who is not a combatant, who has always been in the pentagon, he was

in nato he solves problems. e ensuring communicative uh-huh what tasks based on a person of such a high rank, obviously, we are talking about organizing the supply of weapons once, because now it is not provided, communicative, therefore, they say, logistics, well, there is no way to deliver the second logistics. yes, the second, that means, uh, command personnel that have been knocked out or isolated in the south-south of ukraine. so, a new command staff must be prepared to prepare a frame again, apparently. we will talk about mass e, the direction of mass instructors in the mass direction for the training of these reservists, who are now incapable of combat. so they do not own the technique, but here, so that somehow the third question. this is the preparation of some part of ukrainians to control american military equipment, not even just military equipment, but even with all these manpads and e-grenade launchers, including e

jv, because even though it seems to be a simple pipe. well , you need to know how to use them. and then let's focus in this story on the united states, because there the news comes every day. they are approximately the same either 800 or one and a half billion. in general, it is not clear, but we have focused on two countries. this is germany and japan, how they supply something, but they don’t supply something. in general, look. an interesting fate is the threat that was brought to ukraine from japan in march , the japanese authorities have already sent the first batch of aid to kiev, as was officially announced. these were body armor and tents, as well as hygiene products and dry rations. we have decided to provide the ukrainian government with protective masks, protective clothing and drones to fight chemical weapons. the ministry of defense and the self-defense forces will continue to provide maximum support to ukraine, and now in

tuesday, the ministry of defense of japan announced that it would deliver a new batch of aid to ukraine, while india where a japanese transport plane was supposed to stop. apparently she suspected that they were not going to deliver a blanket at all, but something worse, and right on the day of arrival she refused to land a japanese plane inconveniently. it turned out from the supply of weapons from germany, the beat newspaper writes that initially the supply lists were 48 pages, and then it was cut by half. the field of the types of heavy weapons requested by zelensky was found out by the bilt, that this happened at the initiative of the german president frankwalter steinmeier a week ago zelensky refused to accept the steinmeiers in kiev and generally reproached for having ties with russia instead, as bloomberg writes, the germans will send old soviet tanks to ukraine and will do this, hiding behind concern for the ukrainians. mol. with new technology. they don't know each other yet. instead of offering heavy equipment directly, germany will provide

tanks and armored vehicles to eastern european countries that are ready to send equipment to ukraine soviet-style, with which the local soldiers are already familiar. negotiations are still ongoing about which allies of fans in eastern europe will supply maksimov's ukraine from a couple of weeks ago , when the germans got tired, then it was an excuse for ambassador melnik who was carrying something another anti-german demanding. looks like they got tired or not. no, i think, well, it doesn't make it any easier for us. you see, the germans do not directly supply, but today a message came that slovenia will supply 54 tanks of the former yugoslav. they are similar to ours. and you alone such late children's models of 54 tanks, but, and the germans will put something of their own in slovenia, uh, it doesn’t make it easier for slovenes to replace us. that is the logic, in principle, of the western allies. it is such that now strengthen ukraine as much as possible so that russia does not win immediately maxim anatolyevich, if you

strengthen it as much as possible, zelensky sent 48 pages. send sent 148 pages. send this is called amplify as much as possible. and when he asks for one thing and he, like, like a lady, they promise one thing, this is publicly announced, and then it's all shrinking. this is not the maximum amplify. well, forgive me. well, this is germany traditional. let's look at how the situation develops. well , the offensive is slowly going on, but slowly, but 2 months ago we thought that now we would be on such, which means slowly. let's remember the cards that were there, i don't know, the first 2 weeks there and which ones are now. so remember, it means that there was such a red brace that captured, as it were, healthy like that. uh, a piece of the perimeter, yes, uh, the ukrainian border. well, it's quite thin there. a strip with some kind of fangs there, relatively speaking,

somewhere in the region, kiev now there is some kind of top there, but if we say down south, yes, kherson and further to the donbass , just remember now the picture there now it's a red bar. here is such a fat one, because now you are concentrated there, you understand how you are all the time you are trying to attack all the time, you choked. they say that the program was not you. i haven't even started talking yet, because i'm starting to say good things about you in the same way necessarily maksimovich, i will explain to you why we react this way, in general, why we react this way, because from program to program, from program to program, there is enough direction for me to start an opportunity for you, so i repeat or everything already or like, you me shut up, and i'm wrong, it's impossible to shut up. we just noted, but you are wrong. consistency is your pineapple, which comes with any question that we ask. so i’ll try to

let you do what yes, so i said to the north, andrey well, no, there are more troops from this north from the three areas, and the military experts dear can say that this is, and everything was according to plan. i doubt that there was such a plan that we are on the sixtieth day. and we will withdraw the troops from there, i doubt it. well, maybe, indeed. such a plan. well, i started with what we started with, what tactics of the reserve? it’s just that i read western media materials, how this military company appears, and we live in our own information vacuum, where everything is simply clear and very comfortable for us, that everything is wonderful and in a few months we will all let's break it out at the polish border, but, unfortunately, unfortunately, to my very great, unfortunately, reality. she's scary. wait, you still want to analyze. we want not

to be we want you to answer our questions. well, at least approximately in the direction in which we are asking you, whatever the question. i did not ask the last 2 weeks, what do you visit us? you keep telling me what's coming, so i don't ask, maybe about the weather, quietly, you keep telling me. he says that the offensive is going extremely slowly maxim anatolyevich i'm starting to get tired of the monotony of this argument and the answer to any question, please, and you, maxim anatolyevich , wanted to explain to us, uh, instead they began to analyze the logic of the west. then konstantinuevich, you can preliminarily ask one question. now means, uh, to say that everything goes strictly according to plan in any operation. this is sheer nonsense. there is always an initial plan, then i would always like it then look to have the right how to

analyze. and why do we need these plans somewhere out there such a plan does not show. this is the first moment, the second moment, of course, that the whole force began to strongly resist this, proceeding. even from the president's initial statement. we did not expect, and therefore, of course, the original pliers that were made. they then create a grouping with the aim of destruction. these are the forces in the southeast in southern ukraine near the donbass, they needed to be regrouped. this is clear. totally kill initially, without any plan, it seemed to me that it was quite clear to everyone that the seizure of the entire territory of ukraine with such a large number of personnel was physically impossible. there, other forces were considered additionally, i say again, yes, probably, it should go. now this is at home now the second moment, what i want to say is that there are no questions here. the most important indicator. now i want to say it again. this is an attempt to

pump up ukrainian heavy weapons, the appearance of this general who told me in fact now there are attempts. there, in the west of ukraine, to recreate a new ukrainian army, since this army is already there. and due to what happened, they are trying to do something, so they are chasing this general there, who then has to pull up behind him, apparently, to drag specialists who will be instructors trying to pump out obsolete weapons. well 54 tanks - this is what it is, 54 tanks is one well it's only from one layer. but from others, there will still be very large-scale deliveries there. unfortunately massive. but they still need to be delivered they need to, unfortunately, they manage to deliver too much. if you are acting on

the territory of ukraine, you have not heard a few words about the fact that there is an additional issue that you will have, which means, firstly, i would like a very short proposal regarding the supply of western weapons. this is what is called a dynamic resource, because it says here, here it is. there they gathered, yes, 50 tanks, and we believe that tomorrow they will begin to shoot at our positions . no, this is a dynamic resource. firstly, gotta get there. secondly, when they reach it is necessary for someone to perceive them, for someone to sit at the helm. that is, it is multiplied by another dynamic drawing of the enemy's manpower. she , too, to put it mildly, is changing, we knock out. we are combat-ready in fact, these reservists really remain. i have said a thousand times that ukraine has only one army. and when it ends, there will be no more ukraine. now they will try to do it, but it will not be an army. it will be a crowd.

in fact, the meat is really perfect in this connections. at me a question to a maximum a little bit. and maxim tell me please, you always complain about the fact that the offensive is going slowly. and you honestly do you want it to go faster i wanted it to go faster i wanted it to end much faster that 150.000 we will be able to capture a large territory quickly complete hostilities. yes , indeed, alexander, i er thought i hoped that this would be completed much faster. now i relate that it's all much harder for my country, but for decoration. what is a foreign country for me, in general? of course, i sympathize with the victims of the war, but in this case i think about my country, yes, i wanted it to be faster, of ​​course, i think that they still underestimated.