hello, is this the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey trushkin. it's okay, once i said, i'm olga belova when, together with olga nikolaevna, work is on the machine, because i already keep in mind what i will say next, then i'm andrey norkin my colleague ivan trushkin. we are working live. here's more proof for you. and sometimes they write that, uh, it means that all talk shows are on tape, because it means checking there so that someone doesn’t blurt out something. here is proof that we we work live. so this is what we decided to do, because. as i understand it, not everyone is able to watch the briefings of the ministry of defense that general kanashenko is holding, but we decided to help our military department a little in disseminating this information. so right now, let's start with operational reports. what over the past day what has been achieved in our

armed forces and the army of the dpr and lpr. so, if we talk only on the last day of artillery , artillery was put out of action at least three dozens of command posts of the armed forces of ukraine, and the russian aerospace forces liquidated the logistics terminal at a military airfield near odessa, there was a large consignment of foreign weapons received from the united states and from european countries , four strongholds of nationalists and territorial defense units were destroyed. there is also information that tonight on monday night. that is, strikes were inflicted on the railway infrastructure of the vinnitsa region and the kiev region, several traction substations. and that's literally. i watched before the broadcast. uh, there was information that there were also strikes on railway facilities in the rivne region. there, too, it means that two such objects were put out of action. and what about azov steel then? the members of the national battalion, who are blocked there, again

showed a video with civilians. they claim that this is all they have filmed down there in the basements, confirmation of this, in general, of course, no, as it was not before, but judging by the frames, in any case, wherever it was filmed. there, of course, the situation is critical and, uh, people are absolutely unaware that there are green corridors for exiting 2 minutes ago, another one worked every day for 14 hours. we cease fire and withdraw troops, people can leave. they don't do it because they don't know. those who hold them hostage lie to them and say that if you try to get out you will be killed in parallel. they put forward demands that it is necessary to organize such a corridor, there, relatively speaking, some international organizations will come out there all civilians, but these same militants will also come out. and with weapons in hand. they need to be released there. let's see. on saturday, the militants of azov, banned in russia, published footage taken, as they claim, in the catacombs of azov,

exhausted civilians called for terrible unsanitary conditions. vladyka report only a few days left of the militant's attempt to show concern for civilian looks mockery was gathering. hi i joked home. i want the sun, here i will continue to be friends together. yes, in whatever about 100 people. this is a factory worker and residents of neighboring houses. all of them, in fact, are hostages, whom the militants drove into the basements or fraudulently. and in addition, they inspire them that death awaits them outside from the bullet of the russian military already on the twenty-first of april. here is the fifth of march. we just ran as a candidate after the shelling of the house, we were counting on a green corridor, and now the bug shelters got stuck. see you soon. it is obvious that the people of azov do not

talk about open russia as their prisoner until a month ago, humanitarian corridors for the exit of the population from 19 april, there is a special regime, when russian units daily depart from the perimeter for 2 hours. azov steel ceases hostilities and establishes a regime of complete silence on the part of ukraine, the process is supervised by the deputy prime minister, irina vereshchak, but kiev still has not given orders to the militants to let people go, samez people are actively broadcasting on the air of the bbc, they say that the only chances to save people. this is to create a corridor under the guarantee of third countries and international organizations against the un red cross and the osce, through which civilians, together with armed militants will leave for the city, we have repeatedly stated that we will not surrender in captivity , we will fight, we are only considering

options from the territory of mariupol to go to a safe place with their weapons, stable small arms, but these people who are holding civilians are not important, where they keep them. azov steel or in some room that they pass off as nitrogen steel, and here are the people who are sitting in kiev, who lead them there partially or completely, now turn to their conscience this is pointless, because it is clear that they have no conscience, but they probably have some kind of trick, because they have some kind of plan in their head, andrey vladimirovich for a second. here's how you could explain to me, that is, absolutely hmm openly, and people are demonstrating that they are holding civilians as hostages and are demanding that they themselves be released. and they didn’t even disarm the calculation for what, because i’m trying to remember, but i don’t know, maybe these are some stories of the chechen war there first, when we released something there, but this is how international terrorists behave, state terrorist groups that earn the same thing, in my opinion, it was, by the

way, during the time you know how the palestinian war is. this is a tactic. it is known to armed terrorists. andrey vladimirovich among terrorists and terrorists. yes, i'm trying to understand what they expect. that is, they apparently think that no one considers them terrorists, most likely, they are not considered there. no one will be considered terrorists in the west. this is the first. second, they thirdly, i want to say that, unfortunately, some of these people come to the surface from time to time and really transmit information, pictures, and so on and so forth. that is. it is simply impossible for the forces of the vastness of the territory to control everything and everything, there are exits, including those beyond the boundaries of this enterprise. there are

enterprises, so that’s all there, maybe for a very long time, unfortunately, andrey vladimirovich and you when you communicate, maybe you even communicate with your kiev informants or someone else subscribers, let's call them that when they retell you, this is their vision. you do not tell them, friends, dear from any adequate person, the azov nazis look like a terrorist group that took hostages. led them astray about the fact that these hostages cannot come to the surface, and they look like absolute people whose blood is dripping from saving, this is a useless conversation with them now, because for them, now mariupol is and azov steel is the very point on which everything is built, including the information machine. then the question, so you can explain there should be no doubt, there should be no illusions. why official ukrainian media well, there are no telegram channels, there are no internet channels, there is ukrainian television. there, i don’t know,

they don’t show this video to some newspapers and they don’t refer to it. well, to be honest, i also doubt this video because what was shown there does not correspond to the communications that placed under azotal. you know, yes, that means, uh, therefore, i think that this is a dream in a completely different place. alexander answered, yes, but i understand that now it’s extremely beneficial for them to combine any such shots with rustami, while these people who are on videos like on rollers just poems seventeen minutes, in my opinion, they say themselves that they are in the territory. azov in steel alexander yuji. he said that there are exits to mariupol, but they were filled up there a long time ago. remember last week in one program. well first of all, i didn't reply once. eh, you have a question. uh, why do they behave like that for them people is a commodity? i say they are bargaining, but it often comes to a point, as it were, that they

are bargaining. this is when they were in the city, we will kill until and for now, until you give us a way out. now they just presented live goods. e, i agree, it is not clear where, as well as in donetsk, we will kill your civilians, for now. she won't give. we have an exit. this is a product for ukraine as a whole. this is also a product e citizens of ukraine for the regime of the ukrainian state is also a commodity. remember the fourteenth year of history, when we people were dying, while volunteers pulled children out of orphanages from under the bombings. uh, what did he say from the donbass ? kyiv is ukrainian children, you stole them? that is, they are now saying something like that, yes, but this wording indicates the quality of people as owners. these are ukrainian children, they are stigmatized by people in general. commodity you just need to understand this and really stop your moralizing exclamations, how can they

not yet, they can still burn them all to hell, uh, together with foreign mercenaries they will say that here they were also civilians in disguise. and then they will show us all this according to the information that i had back then. here are the guys from mariupol, as i already said, uh, there is no such connection between the underground bunker under azov steel and the city ones. but the guys have not been there for 8 years. maybe they maybe they tried to make passages underground, there are exits, including explain, i'm a few years old. if you want if these exits there is, if they are not littered with something that prevents them from simply leaving the territory, and already they got up one by two leaked, where are these exits? you talk about it every street, every house, where the exit from katak. everyone knows mariupol and everywhere they are either for- they are checked whether they are or filled up. they know where these exits are and can go to the

surface, then i have a question. does the elon mask system know that they don’t even need to go to the ground. uh, the lower ones, the upper underground floor is taken with a companion for a sweet soul, and those huge territory. look how many times we are shown the shelling of azov, so there is a distance between the explosions, like 50 bus stops. this is a huge area. you shut up their natural berths, right? not calculated. yes, you said that there are two, as it were , three options for resolving this situation. here the president stopped at one of these three, and not they wished. well, i'll start with the first first option. the first option is that putin canceled cord yes no, then the first option is assault for kiev, in fact, this option is quite, but acceptable. why, in this case, they will announce that these are the civilians who are there, that they died as a result of russian actions. and it will be a repetition of this. here, and the north-east,

yes, when, yeah, but they acted against the terrorists at that time died. there, some civilians, and then accused the russian authorities of being allegedly russian authorities responsible for the deaths of civilians who were captured by terrorists. they would do the same here if there was a storm the second option is to go on their terms to open it cannot even be called a humanitarian corridor, because when people are released by militants, terrorists with weapons. this is a humanitarian corridor. it's called something else. in this case, they will leave somewhere in a third country, then return to ukraine, they will be declared national heroes there and they will announce victory. that is, this is also a winning option for both kiev and the people of azov. the third option is the exit to the kiva near kiev, which is still a very direct screen. yes, that's exactly right. that to eat it would be their triumph. moreover, even if they had agreed to third countries, they would have met them later, as heroes, the third option is the option that the president chose. and how

the most optimal is to wait, so to speak, when they themselves come out in this version, there is also minus one. what it consists in is that while they are there, and apparently resources. they still have and don't know. as far as, perhaps they can sit there for a few more months. well, let's see how much three four days told us in friday, therefore, until i sit there and wait, kiev will be able to constantly say anyway that they are fighting there, that mariopol is impossible. well, this is the third option. let's say the least dangerous from the point of view of pr from the point of view of the media picture, and from the point of view of saving the life of russian russian soldiers, they are the least dangerous, since in the end they will have to make a decision. it will be purely their decision. either they come out and are published, or they, in general, die there and death. uh, civilians they there relatively hold will still be turned upside down. because you said once said for any adequate person terrorists terrorist issues. well actually

flip it. and let's try to show now actually for any adequate person. on april 23, there was no rally in support in manhetta. these same nazis and zazov and there , uh, a journalist. i don’t know, i don’t know him personally, i saw him for the first time, but he asked, in general, the right question about the fact that the symbols of azov are somehow very reminiscent of nazi symbols, to which all these activists answered no? no, no, no, it seems to you, and in general it's about something else. let's. here are the fragments taken, 23. we'll see. the sound patches of the azov battalion are very similar to nazi symbols, what do you think? no, not quite, not quite. yes, they are nationalists, but they just protect ukraine and ukrainian culture. this is just russian propaganda a. not just patriots. listen. i think that the citizens of every country have the opportunity to freedom of expression, even in the us but after all nazi symbols on their uniforms. this is completely different. you understand, yes, we don’t have

anything like that on the uniforms of military personnel, but the russian government and putin’s regimes use certain symbols. igor sergeevich am i right in hearing all this, if these people kill russians, if they work against russia, these are not nazis at all, but wonderful people who have the right to their family, undoubtedly it was so and is and will be so, and something will change here then you can't. this is range. but you know this one video, i watched it. hmm, and i think that this video should be shown like a film of ordinary fascism, and this video should be shown everywhere and everywhere, because this hmm makes a terrible impression when you see infernal evil. that's absolute evil. we remember that after the great patriotic war, the word fascist was the most terrible curse word. then it just became fascist and so on, why yes, because people knew this evil, they saw it. and here, when these non-people go

down and laughing. they say that we have collected gifts for the kids and now we will take them perfectly, knowing that these kids. they hide behind the fact that these children are free to leave at any moment. this is the evil that we are now fighting in ukraine in order to understand that this is not some kind of abstract nazism. here it is in its purest form, distilled nazism, which is to be destroyed. and again, this video shows that these people can no longer be remade, nazi propaganda, it changes the inside of a person. they can only be destroyed. the actual hostages azovstelet is the last, but far from the only one. an example of how a human shield is used when civilians are hiding behind. well, they shoot the back of anyone who tries to surrender. let's take the last one. russian defense minister sergei shoigu, in a report to the president, also mentioned the atrocities of the

azov battalion, according to the minister, retreating militants in mariupol were covered by civilians, driving people out of basements and shelters, this happened during the liberation of the preport area, resisting nationalists, practically all living houses turned long-term points on the first floors, armored vehicles were installed artillery on the floors by snipers. well, on the middle floors of the basements, all the inhabitants gathered there. actually, turning or turning into a human shield. uh basements. people in mariupol say the azov people regularly fired, hiding behind the residents of high-rise buildings and hiding in their apartments. here they are 14 stories, maybe look. he valiant warriors put there, mortars, fired from above and these stood under their house. well kraz and there, well

such, so they kept shooting the tank came in. it will enter between the houses, shoot 1 2 and leave the human shield is not the only forbidden technique used by the azovites last week by the people's militia the dpr reported that azov militants shot ukrainian soldiers who tried to go out through humanitarian corridors in the back, this is exactly what they did with the ukrainian sailor of the marine corps leaflets calling for surrender for the armed forces of ukraine are quite common in these territories, but how shows. it is a sad practice that not all of the fighters of the apu in this particular case, the marines can use them. here we see a fighter whose gold, most likely, was killed precisely for the desire to

lay down his arms alexeych, do you think these methods differ in any way from the methods used by terrorists. and if they do not differ, then everyone who requires it turns out. now to somehow free these azov people to enter their position , organize some kind of corridor for them so that they do not lay down their weapons and so on. these are accomplices terrorists who are on the side of a terrorist group. i would also hold back here. that's because the accomplices of what is also a stamp. if you want to let the terrorists through. you, unfortunately, advocate it. remember when two weeks ago. the first video appeared when the commander from gold also spoke in english refer to the west. he said, there are a huge number of people in this studio. this was before the president's speech before their communication. here is this direct uh, sergei shoigu and in this studio they said there were no hostages there. there are no civilians there , and a huge number of people spoke out

reactionarily, and calling, well, frankly, to bomb. it’s just to deliver airstrikes from heavy shells just to say it in order to smash all this azov into steel into dust. i then well, forgive me, yes , immodestly, maybe i said it was impossible then. no need to beat, you need to create a situation in such a way that they surrender, so that there is a picture of these thousands of fascists who are there hmm who are hiding, but underground, so that they go out into the street to judge them, and so that each of them gets a term and then it will be justice. after that, the president is really hmm very in my opinion. one of the most creative and very creative. the right decisions, not to storm, not to expose life, neither to our soldiers, nor to those who may be there at the bottom of this act of humanism. now receiving additional confirmation. there may be civilians there. we don't know if they're there or not, we don't know no one can say but

the act of humanism that the president of the russian federation brought forward demonstrates to us the correctness of this step, the correctness. and when you say ivan sergeevich, well, someone may turn out to be an accomplice of a terrorist, and someone else, for example, will say it is necessary to bomb. now azov is in steel, and uh, then, in fact, if this bombing can happen and civilians die, what can we say about those people who called for the bombing, you know, that's why i'm against it. uh, against labeling. needed again needed was very very good correct, but a little long and a speech that you never answered one question about the situation. this created picture showed, uh. they pointed out the correctness of president putin's decision. well, what has changed in the actions of those states that support the methods they use, kiev and these ones are supporting terrorists. to be honest, it's not. i'm fine. i'm perfectly

aware of someone about who the azov people are. and methods about the methods of their action. i know very well that it was the fourteenth year. i know you are, probably read it. e. well, by the way, according to the first result of the copper examination. no, she appeared when on saturday, in my opinion. oh, so it says that the first results of the examination have been carried out, and the dead people are overwhelmingly their own. uh, so most of them are injured. i just forgot this term konstantinovich, you tell me. here, you hear, yes. roughly speaking, this is just a little more than a nail on nails, they are such a muck of steel that yes is inside. uh, explosive here in this part and expansion is coming. there for several tens sometimes hundreds of meters, and article guardian there, there was an analysis that, firstly, russian was not being conducted at that moment. they physically could not deliver artillery strikes on the bucha, because they themselves were there in this city

. yes, secondly, exactly the same weapon. that's exactly how it was used. yes photos in the fifteenth year in the fourteenth year. here they are such a healthy article with photos. there, these here, these are amazing, i’ll say. it’s just that in the current situation, we don’t need to, uh, look at them and say that they are, of course, a terrible monster and so on, but their enormity should not. eh, well, in a sense, justify or legitimize our so to speak, eh, i don’t know, excessive, or something, giving their names. this is an excess. alexei you say that this is labeling. i call calling a spade a spade asking for a tautology terrorists behave like terrorists. those who cover them, those who help them, those who sponsor them with information, and maybe even with weapons, name those who will speak, we must bombard them with

we have a huge number of faces of the earth and so on and so forth, as we should call them then , so to speak, to do without these radical ones without these extremes. you need to talk about good every time, that is, and when you propose terrorists. the fight against terrorism turns out to be tripods after the terrorists have repeatedly spoken about how a person who understands better than the rest of us in the intricacies of conducting military operations, that, unfortunately, collateral losses among the civilian population are inevitable right? yes quietly quite right, the loss among the civilian population, bringing the battle there, they are inevitable. this is a well-known thing, a question in percentage terms, for example, here, uh, when the task is solved by striking and knocking out cities 100% loss of civilians will say how it was in vietnam it can reach 80-90% in those cases when it

solves the problem, let's say the designated purpose by destroying specific military installations. here, even in an urban environment, the percentage of civilian deaths is much less. for example our army, when it was fighting, the percentage of civilian deaths rarely exceeded 40-30% of the total number of dead people killed there, when in the years of the great patriotic war. yes. here are the americans, they erased the cities. well, dresden , for example, hamburg things were known there. yes , the germans were not shy either. that's about terrorism. still, really. here i would like to say, you understand, you still need to distinguish , so when it comes to terrorism, like the jews act of terrorism. who what is this? this is the lead war is out of action by intimidating the population. that's when the germans tried to gouge london with v-12 rockets. it was a terrorist war,

state terrorism. so, when the americans wiped off the face of the earth. dresden was a terrorist war. it was not in vain that they gave the commander of the strategic aviation of great britain and did not give the lord because he was considered to be him, knowing they took him as a butcher. even that's because he destroyed these cities, that's what it was. it was a terrorist war. what is the meaning of blowing up some house or something else for terrorists is to declare themselves and intimidate the population, which is anywhere, that is, this is a war of intimidation. that's where the salt is. there is no place here to be terrorism in its form, this is nazism. this is nazism refined nazism. and i think nazism is even more, uh, a terrible thing, because terrorism is a way of waging war. and nazism is an ideology that can provide. here is maidanok auschwitz that's all. is that

terrorism? no, this nazism is worse than terrorism, and when we talk about these nazis, then we must call them what we call them. this is exactly what we call them nazis, not fascists. this is exactly the name. what is it? this is our nation above all others , this is nazism, fascism is something else. just like that, nazism is nazism, this is the worst thing that can be, so we must talk specifically about the fight against nazism and the very fact that we call them nazis. this is worse than calling them terrorists. so i’ll say it well, but there’s just one problem, but the problem is generally from the eyes there with vision. i don’t know with a sense of smell with quite what, maybe they don’t see nazism, because there the president of the jews understand, and they also don’t see terrorism, when we start talking about the fact that this is all carried out by realistic activities of people, uh- uh, methods. we have at least the opportunity to appeal to some recent

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