uh, russia has no need to own these parts, so, well, you know, i have such a feeling that if, for example, the poles were less, uh, less hated of russia, were a little smarter, then they could very well negotiate with us, uh, about receiving part of ukraine explicitly, so as not to include part of ukraine in our composition. yes, i am more than sure. i am more than sure that and the same hungarians will want their part of the carp, i’ll ask, this slavic hypothetical section that russia received western ukraine in the thirty-ninth year did not occurred. it was very positive for russia . wait, there should be what we can call a section. yes, that is, it’s like they’re different from the outside, uh, the participants sit down and draw something like that on the map. yes, they separate. but maybe there is

a process from within, then it turns out to be disintegration, when it's people themselves, yes, it turns out to be disintegration. that's what is likely to happen or you know the solution maxim anatolyevich well, there are three options, and as a result of hostilities, let's say the victorious russian federation tears away part of the regions from ukraine and then it can be called whatever you like. it may be some kind of state loyal to us, where the word ukraine will remain in the name, but this will be the second option based on the results of hostilities. it is i who absolutely rule out an agreement with someone on the division of ukraine to anyone. in addition to russia, ukrainian lands. no fields needed. here we have, of course, we need lvov ternopol ivan franks, who were called e, stanislav a. they do not need these lands, because the lands as such without a

population do not represent value there now polyakov no, there are westerners there, with whom everyone has a lot of problems in any state within which these westerners lived, so the poles will not claim ukrainian territory, including because they don’t like us very much . they negotiate with us. well, and so on and so on. but from the third option , i don’t want to talk about it at all, if everything doesn’t end very well, then you can print some here ukraine then. in general, it will exist for itself. do you know the liberal fairy tale about the fact that no one has land needed. we have been hearing since the mid-eighties under gorbachev. this is also the beginning of the army is not needed, because no one will capture anyone, the land will not be needed. sorry remember a good phrase. and mark twain buy up the land because they don't make it anymore. hmm. so what do you say. the eighties of gorbachev's second

, respectively, you can keep quiet. i didn’t interrupt you like that for a second about if the desire to tidy up these lands, poland , of course, has poles, even officially hmm lvov the defender of lvov, these lvov falcons, were buried. uh, tomb of the unknown soldier. this is their symbol, they aspired and will strive further, romania about transnistria, moldova and e -transmission to odessa and blacks. this sorry, the former prime president of e romania when there was still a president there, the bss escu openly stated that this was the territory of historical romania, a survey was conducted 2 years ago in romania a sociological survey. does the population of romania consider it necessary to

join moldova to transnistria and the transmission romania is one and the same. this is just a translation of the transmission of russia, this is a translation of the word. listen, stop interrupting. i perfectly. i know what transnistria is a transmist, when they talk about transmission, they say, about odessa, don’t beat yourself in the head. finally. i entered transnistria again. you will interrupt again. let 's first anatolyevich, yes, there is always e present. here he has such a passage now he repeated it about the population. what does it mean for the poles, this is not interesting, because there are no poles yes on territory, but not what would be the desire. yes, and then there are other territories where there is just that. eh, like the population even with other people. may i

suggest stopping here, because lately, we have been highlighting the plot in this. we will look at the topic of the western part of ukraine , they really tell us that there are westerners there, in fact, the flowering of ukrainianism. yes, that's all. so, well, there is enough. pushes and moods, because there live people who don’t consider themselves ukrainians, well, or don’t consider themselves at all, at all ukrainian in their head. well, not at all. in the west of ukraine there are hungarian-speaking villages where they do not understand language well and do not speak at all, not only in ukrainian, but also in russian, children in schools. here , the ukrainian correspondent of ictv studied hungarian for years back in 2013. it turned out that the inhabitants of the border forces. they speak only hungarian, i understand ukrainian, but you can speak russian a little bit. yes, yes, good afternoon, and you are

the ukrainian mountains? many of them here have had hungarian passports for a long time, budapest invests a lot of money in the development of these regions and pays extra teachers of hungarian-language schools are repairing and building a new one by the ukrainian press calculated that over 100 million euros have been invested in 9 years, apart from hungarians and ukrainians, tens of thousands of rusyns live in transcarpathia after the war. they demanded that they join the ukrainian ussr, but in the end they ended up in the soviet ukraine. however, they were ukrainians. they don’t even consider themselves, so in 2015 a meeting of local rusyns with czech deputies took place in the city of valera. they discussed how residents are not allowed to call themselves rusyns and study in their native language. language, the security service of ukraine suddenly burst into the room, first of all by the ukrainians to god

bogdan anatolyevich, if we return to the conversation about the initiative of the collapse from below, these are all people, when the ukrainians from kiev stop putting pressure on them, well, under some circumstances it is no more. they won't feel. part of some kind of ukraine they will want to be independent to someone closer, that is, there will be no desire to preserve this administrative territory . there are several aspects here. the first aspect yes, such people are, as a rule, still a minority and the ruthenian minority is both polish and romanian in the chernivtsi region, which igor sergeevich forgot, and the second thing is that these people still need some kind of alternative center. here, the hungarians, who already have it, and indeed in hungary, having held a referendum in small territories, not all salaries are not all for the carpathian region, but for small territories. can they even include hungary as well as part of them can include slovakia and the third point, with regard to the specific

issue with poland from the golitse, is, but for poland, it is not so much the inclusion of galicia in its composition that is important. how many creations and the existence of some kind of anti-russian buffer, it would be much more profitable for them to create some kind of republic or a large ukraine from donetsk to uzhgorod or a small golitsy, but which would be clearly anti-russian, therefore, what we need is we need to reach the western border and so that throughout the entire space of ukraine, with the exception of there, the new russia of central ukraine exists there some states that will be either with a friendly government or under our control, please, want to be galchans. be but here they will stand. our garrisons on the border will stand our troops and there will never be, no troops. nato or the bandera cult or anything else, please. live we do not interfere with you. speak your language. you are not russian, we admit it, and so on. there are really no poles in galina. although the historical memory of both the romanians and the poles and the hungarians really consider themselves to be territories their own, but the official declaration of the inclusion of these lands. from such goals, nowhere can we be

sure of the loyalty of the people who will live in such conditions in these territories, but there are , firstly, law enforcement agencies. the special army is garrisoned and then, if we reach the western border, then people will have, uh, an alternative, either to leave, or live here, but calmly, or fight it like a partisan at the time the special military operation began. everything points to the fact that the russian leadership existed the idea of the fact that in kiev there are a sufficient number of forces interested in the existence of the ukrainian state without nationalists and the neutral status of just some sane people. yes, that is why no one lowered ukrainian flags on the territory where the armed forces of the russian federation entered, excluding the dpr. nobody tried to change the government in any way. and this concept existed. if we look at what is happening now, russian flags on the buildings of the administration, the military-civilian administration. this has already been discussed a lot. yes, because this flag is just like that when it is raised officially. this already suggests that this territory is

apparently. well, in any case, it cannot be interpreted otherwise. but then what will happen. with the rest of ukraine, you understand, the problem lies in the fact that the only meaning of the existence of ukraine over the past fourteenth year is the existence of anti-russians, it is clear that such a state does not suit us. and we are not interested in the existence of the state. at such a status, respectively, if ukraine does not cease to be, uh, anti-russia, it ceases to be a state. that's all. good. ivan let's stanislavl. for a long time now you can say that your neighbor mostly breaks up along national lines, and in modern ukraine what questions do not take ? there are some minorities. yes they really are a minority, but they are very small, that is, in transcarpathia, the hungarians. you rent about 10 percent, probably, so there are romanians somewhere, that is, even in these regions these minorities. they do not

represent a great force, when they say a couple of rusyns, then also, so to speak, the rusyns are nationally complex and the ukrainians consider the personality of the ukrainian people from these, the russians consider this saturday. we are like a large russian people. and in principle, the rusyns do not want to live under the hungarians , for sure they do not want to raise either yes because they just, uh, as if national national contradictions have the last question , here we are, that is, as if, uh, naturally , some internal reasons for ukraine to disintegrate. of course not. perhaps you said that most people, if i quote you correctly, most of the people that we see now in ukraine now they call themselves ukrainians, it does not occur to you that they call themselves ukrainians simply by the territory of that artificially formed state, when they born where they grew up and where they are, because they themselves belong to a certain ethnic group and ethnic group of some culture, i’ll probably say something scandalous to someone else now. but, in fact, all states

are artificial; moreover, all people are artificial, because we once had artificial parents. it was, and then we showed up. there they gave the name of the surname - it is identical to the branch. this is about identity. it doesn’t matter what ivan sergeevich tells you, you know, here, uh, the state is more in a completely natural way, dad, and mom doesn’t methods. unlike you apparently and parents. you are wrong, you understand what i am saying, that is, your parents wanted for you, let's say, one future. and you decided to go. let's say it in a different way. uh, it happens that brothers quarrel among themselves , they fight, cainavel starts, and therefore we are from the fact that ukraine once did not exist and the ukrainian nation. once there was not. with which no one will argue. probably we do now no will not. let's go the other way. we will show you now. actually , how did it happen that the current state of the dash territorial entity. ukraine turned out to be within such borders, because even in general, well, a little

more than a hundred years ago there was no question of any of this territorial division of ukrainian, as in a large state relatives, independently . let's use the example of the october revolution of 1917, the state of ukraine never existed, and even appeared in kiev after the revolution. at first, the central rada asked only for autonomy, but for independence, but then, taking advantage of the weakness and compliance of moscow at the conclusion of the brest peace with the germans , she proclaimed independence with the support of the austro-german troops, and the invaders dispersed rada and planted him as a hetman. pavel skoropadsky officer of the tsarist army, this state did not last long and the dialogue that sounded in bulgakov's days of turbines is easily shifted and the current reality of ukraine is in mortal danger. i ask you to send troops immediately. in order to restore order in ukraine, which is so

friendly to germany, unfortunately, the german command cannot do such a thing. i ask underline this phrase has nothing against underline. so, me my army and government. you leave on the production of darkness later in 1919 the ukrainian socialist soviet republic was established in the union of soviet russia with its capital in kharkov in the early twenties of lenin. the bolsheviks stuffed the donbass into ukraine and the south of russia became the east of the new territorial formation of ukraine, however , the consciousness of the people, the donbass remained russian. as evidenced by the famous poster 1921, donbass the heart of russia vladimir putin has repeatedly stressed that the decision of the bolsheviks was a mistake. well, let's say ukraine. donbass

transferred. here are some pretexts, but an increase, and a percentage e in ukraine in order to m-m have more social support there, well, you understand some nonsense, and then the growth of the ukrainian ussr by stalin's concerns is a show in 1939. vostochnaya golytsya today is lviv ivano-frankivsk and partly ternopil region passes under the control of the ussr and is included in ukraine 1940 ussr stalin annexes the territories of northern bukovina and the southern part of bessarabia now, chernivtsi region and part of odessa in 1945 the ukrainian soviet republic added transcarpathia, the current transcarpathian region, as for crimea, it was russia until 1954, but under khrushchev the crimean region was sent to the ussr in fact within such borders ukrainian soviet socialist republic lasted until the collapse of the soviet union do you want decommunization?

well, that's quite satisfied, but not necessary, what is called stopping halfway? we are ready show you what it means for ukraine real decommunization vladimir viktorovich well, look, i think it’s not worth repeating the same mistake that was made by us several decades ago, when we did not notice and completely denied the existence of such a state of ukraine and such a ukrainian nationality. and regardless of how old they are, how long ago, how artificial. they were built before the 20th century; they also never existed ; this has already happened. if anyone does not believe that this is how the state is created. ask the turks. kemal, well, it was a different nationality, and nationality is a sociocultural concept. how you were raised to understand who you are, that's how you will grow up. not a single generation

of people has already grown up who believe that ukraine is real, and that the established states, their nationality, are ukrainians. you won't do anything about it. eh, and then, as for the section there or the fact that it will crumble, but here an important reservation must be made. we are still sharing the skin of the not conceived door of the not even conceived, yes, therefore, of course, this is a version, that is, such forecasts. i need to be grigory medved already conceived. well, first of all, uh, we all see that there is some kind of military action going on. for example, i'm not ready now to make any forecasts, as it were, because they will be. we can discuss now. here is the thesis that i just expressed. vladimir, time has passed, and therefore, it ’s impossible to change anything and, in fact, it ’s wrong. and then this state is somehow destroyed, and, uh, that’s for sure. the same process as the creation of the state people. uh consider themselves russian, for example, those living in the

city of dnepropetrovsk a. then, after some time, they begin to read themselves as ukrainians, which means, uh, you understand, troops can be brought in. but it can be deduced that, that is, the creation and collapse of states are processes that are constantly taking place, people are constantly changing their national identity, therefore, in principle, if you eliminate, uh, the state itself, uh, needs, which again russia does not have now and which are imposing identity that imposed on some identical in russia, for example, no identity is imposed on anyone here, and the tatars speak their own language and study in their own language. at the same time, they know the beautiful ones, while the russians know it very well with us, as if any representative of any nationality can learn. speak your language, wear national clothes. and by the way, people do not say that their language and nationality does not exist, firstly, i do not say this, but

some others say, i am responsible only for myself. so the thing is, nothing gets in the way, but a person who considers himself ukrainian to live in russia , moreover, starting in 2014. i don’t remember a single case when a person who considers himself a ukrainian was given a face in russia because you know about such attacks. i don't know just, but they attacked in the studios of another channel, considering themselves to be ukrainians. yes, that is, the fact remains and it was not a citizen of the russian federation who attacked him, he never invades the national one, and russia has no need for the existence of the ukrainian state. it is necessary once again as it was already right here it is said, firstly, no one in russia questions that they are ukrainians of ukrainians, first of all, as a nationality, as a culture, and here we did not have such a thing. you should unlike, by the way, from the ukrainian republic, if you look at the decline in the number of russians that have occurred on a large scale over the past 30 years, it is

unnatural, but because people were forced to rewrite themselves as ukrainians. this is a fact that the ukrainians themselves do not deny the approach of an artificially created community that in fact, it was not in the same donbass and in donetsk and lugansk that someone forbids someone to call themselves a ukrainian. why suddenly a ukrainian cannot speak russian, belong to a certain culture. well , this is exactly what was banned at the level of president zelensky if you heard what he says, and when we say, can a ukrainian state exist. once again, i will return to that if the state of the ukrainian state is not by force , it is possible to create a state that will not be anti-russians, so why is there no russian leadership? just said it multiple times, but if it's a state. to see ourselves exclusively as the fourth reich with slogans, we will cut russian women and children, it will not exist. and this is a normal approach, because such a state should not exist. the ideal option for russia would be to create a new ukraine on the territory of ukraine, a new ukraine that would be part of a

family of allies along with russia on the territory for russia, they say here, russia does not need ukraine as a state of russia many states. in including the united states of great britain and so on are not needed, like the states that now exist. let's say it straight, let's say it straight, and ukraine is not the most of them yet, as it were, there are more dangerous dads there, it's just that there is no way to do something with them, as far as ukraine is concerned, it is beneficial for russia to control political control over ukraine throughout its territory another thing is that now there is not enough strength for this, that at the moment there is not enough, so what can we talk about that, most likely, there will be a certain division in the territory part of the territory of today's ukraine may go to russia itself. it is possible that part of the territory will be under the complete control of russia, and part may be under some kind of protectorate, but it is extremely important for russia. i am here, by the way, i agree no more, neither romania

will agree to any collusion or agreement with russia divided ukraine, including for the reason that in this case they will have to share responsibility for what is happening now ukraine does not want to do anything, and in this and russia is extremely. and here's what they can do. it is extremely dangerous for russia to introduce some kind of volunteers on the territory of western ukraine, some kind of paramitar units, and so on for russia. this is extremely dangerous. russia cannot allow the creation of a springboard for anti-russian activities from western ukraine, therefore, one way or another, russia will have to establish a protector on the territory of the whole of ukraine, including those parts. western ukraine which somehow can be are negatively disposed, and there it will be necessary to tell these people that ukrainians do not exist, that the ukrainian language does not exist there, or that they should become russians. this is not just useless, but harmful to the interest in russia, that is, in order to cause any kind of loyalty, you will need to work with them. let me well, first of all, let me

remind you about the goals of the special operation . somewhere, sometime at the official level, it was said that the goal was the case of ukrainianization. never. it was only the marginals who said the second putin always and everywhere spoke about the existence of three branches of the russian people, including the ukrainian branch. this must be taken into account, the third putin, before the start of the operation, also stated that if hostilities begin, in the east of ukraine, then ukrainian statehood in its current form will not exist, and this is a fact, we do not know how the operation will end. but the fact that in its current form ukrainian statehood will not be it already sit down is meaningless and the last. i agree that no one will allow poland to take western ukraine washington won't allow it. so we stop everything, then we will expand. uh, the scale of the discussion thieves

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actual procedure for this exchange in turkey, according to her, has already taken place, and in the next few hours, konstantin yaroshenko, who has been imprisoned since 2010, is in an american prison. a few so that he will already be in russia actually, absolutely unexpected and pleasant, probably, something somehow can comment on this very simply driver. ah, there certainly was an exchange, but of course, it was not yaroshenko for rita, but it was an exchange on their part of mr. yaroshenko, on our part, showrites in addition to him apparently 1 2 or several people who were taken in ukraine and more with you american advisers just say so. well, that's logic. yes, just like a student on such an important political condemned gentleman. yaroshenko is absolutely not an equal size, which for some reason just now was equivalent, you wanted to say, of course, the exchange that took place for some reason now why now why not 3

months ago is not equivalent? why not 5 months ago, because such things are not made from kondachka. this is a very long process and as far as i understand. some time ago. i read that patrushev is once again resuming his contacts. they had some salvam there, uh, conversation, maybe then it was just that, of course, now it looks a little georg valerievich sorry, like some kind of conspiracy theory that there are some military advisers not shown to us who were exchanged for something other than your logic. assumptions, let's say i don't know how others. i knew that at least before azov became one british colonel, we were already sitting in the exchange fund. i don’t know, maybe someone else was taken during this time, so we know with you that ukraine had military advisers carry, but i completely do not understand. what is the point of us having high-ranking military advisers who are now blocked somewhere in ukraine and now give them away, i would like