about this today in our program. hello , is this the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin. my colleague is ivan trushkin. we are working live. well, what is the assumption that some western countries, first of all, are such newly-minted members of this western family, and on the sly are not averse to profiting from the territory of the former soviet republics. they get more confirmation. not all experts. unconditionally agree with this, including those who are present, but today in our studio, nevertheless less recent actions of romania and especially as well. poland makes you think. let's start with polyakov. on large-scale exercises in poland, including near the border with ukraine, the poles announced on thursday. all may in the north-east of the country, as the ministry of defense brought in, the intensive movement of columns of military equipment formally intends to work out

the deployment of allied troops, however, the main goal is different in appearance. our goal is for the polish army to have 300,000 soldiers. we will also consistently equip them modern equipment. this is a guarantee of the security of poland and all countries entering belarus against the backdrop of polish exercises. now actively pulling troops to its western border. here are the pictures that appeared on social networks. according to the version of the russian foreign intelligence service, the poles, together with the americans, are now hatching plans to seize military-political control over western ukraine, they want to do without nato involvement on their own, and the protection of ukrainians from russian aggression will become a formal cover for the operation. the polish contingent is planned to be deployed in those parts of ukraine where the likelihood of a collision with the russian military is minimal. in order to further establish control over strategic facilities, according to the calculations of the polish administration , preventive consolidation in western ukraine is

highly likely. at the same time, it will lead to a split in the country, warsaw will essentially receive under the control of the territory, which will include the polish peacekeepers back in march with a call to bring peacekeepers to ukraine. nato was spoken by the polish deputy prime minister yaroslav kachinsky, but the general secretary of the alliance stoltenberg. this scenario was rejected. what kind of mission, which will be able to defend itself , will operate on the territory of ukraine, which will be on the territory of the country with the consent of the president and the government, and this will not be an unarmed mission. the second picture from a scary fairy tale is some kind of evil little dwarf doing something there. maxim anatolyevich, you always said that the poles are not interested in such a development of events and you have the same argument there is no polish population in these territories, respectively, these territories are not needed. but as far as i remember, if i may say so, the last time there was almost 100 years ago. the poles were also absent there, and then quietly at first there were about twenty

thousand people of the so-called these siegemen. that is, people with weapons, then about 60,000 civilians. well, it’s somehow true, they have everything there, then the conversation ended badly about a little something else. after all, what naryshkin said. this is, uh, the goal is not an attempt to somehow annex part of ukrainian territory to itself, but translate the russian ukrainian war. as they believe, the conflict is between russia and already in fact one country. you are the most dangerous thing, but he is more than blood. i understand what's underneath. it is necessary to mean precisely the approach of a part of the intellect in the west of ukraine. yes, this is evidenced by consolidation , maybe politically. they have a very serious influence on kiev e, including the western regions. i am still convinced that they absolutely do not need territorial expansion, because in the modern world it is different, but everything is done. how? well, you see, how we

didn’t join the series, nevertheless, we influence the home mask policy to a very large extent. why do they need the poles to remember some of their own there. uh, grievances from seventy years ago , eighty years ago, when lviv was polish, when now everything is completely different. wait. now ours are in syria. they help influence our help. well, the poles can’t want to do anything to the accommodation, and you recalled my statement, and on him all the time. to annex western ukraine, i am convinced that it is not, because i want something else, something else is more for me. ah, an understandable argument. that's on the same level as talking. you know, the british are more rigid, of course, they dream of returning aquitaine, all these regions of france. they were english, so to speak, a one-year war

will happen. let's wait. you love details. you love when the poles announced. here are all these exercises on the movement of tanks along highways. they made a special note a request to civilians. i just read this translation myself, not to take pictures and not to post on social networks the locations of this military equipment, if these were simple exercises. well, it’s unlikely that civilians would be treated like that, so it’s important where these tanks, armored vehicles, heavy artillery, what is involved in the exercise there? and it is important that this does not somehow spread to the public if it is just an exercise, and not a plan to transfer troops somewhere with real goals. why give such a warning? again? remember how i started for the poles it's a war with russia, that's what they want they want anyway, huh? well, to draw in without drawing in, of course, not drawing in, but into some kind of hybrid war with russia

in order to strengthen ukraine so that ukraine does not lose, but preferably wins. for this, perhaps. yes, at the beginning they were helping the ukrainian armed forces with their tanks, but they will provide already 200 tanks, by the way, today there was a border in your opinion and they can cross it. this is important. well, first of all, uh, i'm always touched by the liberal thesis that we it is imposed that today is not yesterday for you. the world has changed dramatically everything that was in the past castle. this is the second time. poland wanted to want and will want to return lvov, this is undoubtedly, but it does not follow from this that the poles are now ready to rush into a fight and the point is not that there are no poles there. poles are now poles there, that is, ukrainians. now you won’t find ukrainians there with fire during the day. they

will solve this bandera issue. eh, for a sweet soul and an eye not blink, but do not think that the poles are completely crazy. they remember perfectly, the thirty-ninth year. they remember very well how they were thrown under a german car in the name of foreign interests, how it ended for them and they understand that now washington has a very great desire to transfer the russian ukrainian conflict into a russian conflict more, but without nato involved. note here is this gnome, as you said, yes, the evil economy is good. he probably said what he said that it should come with mission of nato countries under the auspices of nato therefore, if we are attacked, then all of nato will fight for us

. the risk of clashing with the russians is minimal. well, you go in there , and we will continue to try to make this risk a reality, so the poles really want to go there, but they are very afraid to be face to face with russia and if the west does not let them guarantees of iron, them, what writes for them. of course , they won't risk it now. so exactly the same. this also applies to romania. by the way, tomorrow there is an ironclad argument. why this will not happen, it seems that you look at the formal and such an official annexation of western ukraine or any of its parts to poland in the coming years will not happen in the first place, because in this case, this also applies not only to poland, hungary and romania, but in which case, uh, they will have to go to the international under international law, including western

to share responsibility for what is happening in ukraine, that is, they will no longer be able to say that russia is to blame for everything, that is now responsible. well, as they are, if we assume such a story, here is a hypothesis, yes, that they annex some part of ukraine, yes. in that case, it won't be them. it will not open in any way russia's military actions against ukraine or on the territory of ukraine and as the division of ukraine, it will be very important within the framework of western content, it is very important that this happens no one will allow it, not even in london it will look much, simpler, without any of these conferences of international law and so on, they brought in troops, left them there, we call it not occupied, but protected territories, and everything costs there as long as it ends. unfortunately, it is quite a possible option, when the introduction of this iron argument becomes officially foam rubber. i just want to emphasize that without the official annexation

of any other parts of ukraine from western ukraine to its neighbors , the introduction of troops, how volunteers are some army units, it’s possible that russia needs to be very careful about this and russia can act to pre-emptively inflict. no matter how it sounds to carry out military operations, there are other air forces in the west in ukraine in such ways that will prevent this situation, that it is the poles who understand that the introduction of troops into these troops will put their armed forces under a direct threat to the russian states. by the way, you can describe to us such military operations somewhere in these territories so that my achieved their goals, well, the poles were not hurt. well , let's start with the fact that these are the troops. uh, without the consent of the conflicting parties, in this case, the conflicting parties of russia and ukraine, here he was, according to international law, in his peacekeeping status, he was not even more

unshakable about him. uh, i don't know, there is no foundation, the inviolability of private property. there is no international law no one will ask. uh. poland, polish troops of some territory of ukraine, then they become the legal authority for our armed forces because they operate on the territory of the state with which we are conducting a special operation, and they will have to be hit. this is what is quite clear, what is in order to reproach. so it is necessary to demonstrate such actions; this can be done as follows. the first is massive missile strikes. oh, especially important objects, just in these lvov and volyn regions, here we just, unfortunately, can’t see where part of ukraine is located? yes? that is, it is only aviation. as a result, rocket attacks, because we have physically, we are far away there, because sometime hot heads of all kinds of telegram channels, they

write, they write about what will happen in the case of the polish - this is an intervention somewhere to break through immediately by some group. it's all nonsense, the right thing is that in case this happens, no, it won't happen to prevent it. if it happens, it's already different and put it. if this is for a warning, this is, well, a massive action, how serious large- scale actions you live - this is what we understand that they are participants in the conflict, and vladimir said that if some third countries mix, then our blow will be. if you pass, what will be the goal, means only here at the first stage unequivocally. no, for the simple reason that the blow is direct. the territory of poland will be perceived as triggering article 5 of the nato charter, but if we hit the troops, then this is quite and where i say it again, here you need to demonstrate the toughest regime, for example here it would be possible to work effectively, say by carpet bombing from an airplane to long-range aviation with volleys of bomb

volleys, such that cover a large area, and that's it, so to speak. here is to show that in which case you are ready to work with the polish troops in this way, talking about the fact that poland has settled there. yes, there is aviation, well then there will be an air battle for this, it is necessary to move on the territory of belarus. here in the areas adjacent to warsaw, the koloninsky region, anti-aircraft missile systems. c4 there this system s-400 covers almost the entire volyn part of the lviv region is guaranteed and the polish aviation simply will not be able to work here effectively, it will also be important to ensure that the radiation gap is patrolled by aircraft. the borders are closer there, uh, to poland yes, this territory is not yet controlled by us, but uh, the plane - it may well work under conditions of air supremacy to ensure the suppression of ground planes, and it is still suppressed already so well, yes, let's, because the time is already yes, let's have one more material, because in case you submit.

uh-huh, that the poles somehow entered this territory, it can ignite, well, the already long-standing ukrainian polish conflict, and in fact, for the territory of western ukraine, the territory of the golitsy, as it is called there, there were quite bloody battles and the poles and ukrainians exist peacefully there. well, they can't always. never in the twentieth century did the territory of western ukraine pass from hand to hand more than once. the first big battle for these lands took place in 1918 as part of the polish-ukrainian war, as a result of which lviv and other cities western ukraine retreated more, and the self-proclaimed ukrainian republic that existed on this territory completely disappeared in 1939 after the attack of nazi germany on poland, the country's government fled and soviet forces occupied this territory. after that, western ukraine became part of the ukrainian ussr, ukrainian nationalists during the great patriotic war began mass purges of the polish population in these territories are known. they, like the volyn massacre, did not

spare even babies. as a result, at the hands of ukrainian punitive detachments killed about 100,000 people, and about half a million poles were forced to flee; those who lived near the house could kill innocent and elderly women and children with axes, even in churches during prayer. the parishioners were treated horribly, they were shot . nearly half a million were forcibly relocated a person to the neighboring ussr. this was not without murder and violence. after all these bloody events. polish nationalists continue to consider the current western ukraine or, as they themselves call this region, galicia of their ancestral territory and do not hide their desire to return it, so 2 years ago they launched a train more, which shows a historically correct map of the country of lvov exactly and

lutsk are marked there as polish, while some experts. they say that the scenario of capturing warsaw western ukraine maybe but i have repeatedly emphasized that the over-risenon could be excluded at the initiative of the russian side. so this is an initiative. now the polish side of the exclusion does not have any initiative in the country. and i agree, and with viktor and maxim, uh, on the main theses, but i’ll just say that, if it’s possible, and the crossing of polish troops across the ukrainian border, then only under the banners and under the flag of peacekeepers. the proclaimed peacekeepers will call themselves peacemakers perfect in order to preserve certain territories, until we speak. what are the possibilities from uh, that is, without nato because

without nato, perfectly understanding everything that was said by the military side, and the poles are unlikely to get in touch in this whole situation. so i think that only under a guarantee or with the participation of nato or something else, which is interesting when approved, this is generally wonderful, as far as e plans are concerned. uh, that's the fact that the poles, hungarians, romanians want to attach themselves to the allowance of ukraine and this horror story. in fact, i've heard it since the fifteenth year. here is a horror story, of course, invented invented. in some services foreign intelligence. i, from my old experience , can even guess which institution and which team , and even which employees, painted this essay of intelligence. yes, at night, under the cover of darkness,

they painted the correct polish maps and launched maps along the polish railways. but the fact is that the nationalists of poland, like in all other countries, are very far from power. and before making decisions, especially such decisions, the name is kachinsky. and you laugh that kachinsky is in power, god knows how much time, and yet. poland behaves extremely cautiously. well, it’s natural for russia now. such a scenario, e.g., a polish invasion, would be ideal, because, well, they are dividing ukraine, how would we take our piece, they took their piece, since putin has repeatedly emphasized that russia does not claim western ukraine, but they we can't give such a gift. it is obvious. andrey nikolayevich, let me remind you in general that western ukraine, western belarus, initially fell into poland, because it was the good

will of the west, which is very forgotten, because mr. pilsudski, of course, acted independently, but this initiative was approved and, in general, did not cause any special protests, just like the capture of vilnius, therefore, when we talk about actions in poland today, it is necessary. understand that any peacekeeping or non- peacekeeping mission. she will, of course, go with approval. the west, that is, directly with the approval of the united states, there will be no or real home-made. here is the question. eh, for what reason? what can happen, and here, as it were, two moments, the first moment is indeed, an attempt to save a certain territory from being occupied by the troops of the russian federation or from chaos is unimportant, and here it doesn’t matter at all what flag it is. what flag will be put there that the same kachinsky - this really wants does not mean that he will proclaim. there is polish sovereignty, but it will be nice, partly of the polish society of this, there is no doubt, either the second option. this is a real increase in the stakes in a military conflict. that is, what western analysts are now talking about, and they they recruit most of all for the fact that russia does not carry out

not in part, and even more so for complete mobilization and what it lacks before the complete defeat, for example, of the ukrainian forces, is personnel. if you enter here, a certain number of 100-200, well, there are 100,000 50,000, like poles we are not talking about romanians yet. raise the rates of manpower and equipment, the calculation can be made for this. this, of course, is an escalation scenario. but the fact that the united states is now doing it this way is a screenwriter, that is, it depends precisely on what then about romania just the remaining time in this half hour. show the material there, please. in social networks, he publishes footage of the movement of military armored columns. in the east of romania, eyewitnesses claim that the troops are heading to the borders of moldova and ukraine, the romanian military hastened to declare that all this is within the framework of the exercise, and the equipment is generally nato. the exercises conducted by the military of the allied countries stationed in romania as part of measures to strengthen the security of the eastern flank of nato are routine in nature and therefore such columns of military equipment belonging not

only the united states but also belgium france italy great britain or portugal can be seen moving between locations and training grounds for joint training for exercises. against this background, supporters of unification with romania have sharply intensified in moldova, they are afraid that if there is no emergency merger of the two countries, the moldovans will be drawn into an armed conflict between ukraine and russia, the attack on the building of the ministry of state security in tiraspol is aimed at destabilizing and spreading the ukrainian conflict to of the territory of moldova, peaceful reunification with romania is the only solution in which the second romanian state of moldova does not fall into a spiral of bloody conflict in the east, and the president of moldova, maia sandu, in her words, talks about the peaceful merger of the two countries with neighboring romania. perhaps if such a step is supported by the moldovans themselves, however, judging by the questions, so far this idea is approved. no more than 40%

of the population. moldovan. now he is trying to convince them that without bucharest they will not have bright the future and the peaceful sky over the head of chisinau is not enough. what can be done for all protection in the event of an armed conflict on the left bank of the dniester. in my opinion, the only scenario for unification with romania. in this case, we immediately fall under the security umbrella of nato and the european union. i think that they can send troops to moldova, but they will unite immediately, uh, i won’t participate in the battles for transnistria, romania will not participate. here it is much more likely that it will be provocations from ukraine than from romania and here, where else you can expect a limited romanian contingent - this is in the chernivtsi region. the poles, without joining the golitsa, enter, the volvov region, the ternopil ivan frankiv region, and the romanians into chernivtsi,

possibly in the eastern transcarpathian regions, especially in those areas where the romanian minority lives, and let me remind you in the chernivtsi region. this 20% of the romanians will act together with the poles. it will be some kind of organized ask. and we have something confirming some contacts, there are two such sides are very tight. they are actually a polish initiative. three seas, romania is acting as a junior partner there, they are coordinating their efforts very closely and in fact romania is acting here as a junior partner. poland still come on romanian military potential. i just have not heard about the military successes of the romanian army. maybe you know, they are generally capable of some kind of action, except that they are very limited there, they are capable of neither romanians in a combat clash, and the poles will not join the russian army, you saw, well a few days ago, in short, the minister, i forgot, i gave her name to the defense of germany to this aunt, who

frightened, yes or rural fields. here she spoke in parliament. she said they had, uh, downright terrible stories with helicopters. there is something with tanks. something there, only nine arches work. and you ask about the romanian potential, they are pursuing two such tasks; a short-term task is to remove the state border of ukraine . because, uh, the state border of ukraine is a clear limit for special operations for the supply weapons. that’s how correct the colleague of the rocks is, that is, at any moment we can carry out really serious a bombardments throughout the territory, and the borders, thereby stopping deliveries, and weapons, if they enter there like that, and foreign troops then, but not anymore there will be clear boundaries. and where is the ukrainian army operating here? where is the romanian, where is the polish, where is the hungarian, and this one is what the calculation is, the calculation is that russia will be scared, and how to say there

will be no conflict with nato, but to carry out military operations on this this territory, and then you can supply weapons to the last ukrainian, thereby adding fuel to the fire, but for the higher city four. in this case, the triples of the same country were actually removed from there, and you will receive a hanging carrot in the form of a sidewall of moldova. and so to speak, there is nothing in the territory in the real sense. eh, just a little. continue further? ah, that is, each of them is suspended with one or another carrot, and just now you were talking about the wheelbarrows of slovakia that you would never believe anything, but here, a a vivid vivid example just a few months before the munich agreements, the ambassador of the soviet union came to eduard bish and showed how he would enter there. poland how to get there. ah, so to speak, hungary and he said it will never be because it will never be. a month later, poland entered the tishinsky region , and czechoslovakia entered your other hungary, but ceased to exist, so such plans have a question is

that these plans will change depending on the situation. you will now be in the historical part for the action, let's say, carrots are important now. now the romanians are poles, they are the russian president. they do not listen to them do not carry three times already said. vladimir putin looking at the camera, despite the audience, if a third party interferes there will be an answer. they all believe that it was they who showed it, but the opinion of me is not a historian. you know, he said very well that like the ukrainians and i will decrease. and if, uh, the poles entered there, they would exterminate everyone. this, unfortunately, is the prevailing stereotype, and in the countries of eastern europe they are used to us always kind, that we will not believe ourselves all the time. it's true now it seems that now they will enter, well, the russians, no matter how they fulfill theirs that the russians will blink, right? what is there ? i think that if those present in this

studio, i was last in the city of chernivtsi shortly before korea, you know, i will report to you, i was there for 3 days. i listened. what language do people speak? well, i was wondering, of course, in russian or ukrainian for sure. in 3 days i never heard anyone at all spoke russian in the city of chernivtsi remarkably, by the way, the city is surprisingly more beautiful. and i did not expect such a romanian influence at all, imperceptibly not visible, somewhere there i am in one place. the old monument saw something in romanian, including written, therefore. as for moldova, just very briefly. why do so few people still support the accession, because we have presented a large people underestimate how dear sovereignty is to a small state. yes, they are moldavians close to romanians, but in these 30 years they have understood after all, the charms of being all the time in the state, the prospects of how to be president

for students is the situation, on the contrary, why belarusians? why lukashenka does not want russia to join, even has close relations with it. still. we can not understand how valuable this is, and the romanians can not understand if someone objected that they were not going to, and only our scouts are doing this by the president of the bscu. not our agent, clearly stated. why does romania still not have? they do not have a law on the border treaty with moldova they did not recognize such a law as the border between their countries. he said that recognizing the border means recognizing the separation of the romanian lands, which stalin carried out from romania, that's what's next in romania officially at the parliamentary level. moldova was declared the second romanian state in romania a couple of years ago, conducted with logical polls asking if the population wants to return as they

believe moldova to return to romania about 70% said yes, why is this not happening? yes , this is lady sandu. she has a romanian passport. yes this is generally a unique president of an independent state with a passport of another, but the vast majority of the population does not want this under any circumstances, because after the romanians captured bessarai in this territory in the eighteenth year of 918. a most terrible terror was created, the people responded to this.