and why did the west sharply recall the corrupt spirit of the ukrainian authorities, if we are just so corrupt, why are we still alive about this today in our program? hello, is this the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin my colleague ivan trushkin, we are working live. and we'll start with the development of the information that came during our yesterday's program, if you remember about 3 o'clock moscow time. here it is right in the middle of our release. it is known that the ukrainian side requests a corridor for the evacuation of civilians located at the severodonetsk nitrogen chemical plant, and even the ministry of defense then said that there was a suspicion that under the cover of these civilians, whom the militants were using as hostages there. they themselves will try to get out, however please. this was completed corridor was granted today. then everything went exactly according to the scenario that we have already seen

how it developed in mariupol at the plant. azov steel. let's see. wednesday 8 am the russian military, at the request of kiev, opened a humanitarian corridor for the exit of civilians who are ukrainian fighters. during the retreat , they drove nitrogen into the territory of the severodonetsk chemical plant according to a similar scenario, the nationalists acted in mariupol at the azov steel plant. realizing the hopelessness of the situation of our armed forces , we regard the appeal of the ukrainian side, and supposedly saving civilians, as an attempt to withdraw from the encirclement, the survivors in the unit thus face everyone signs of a repeat of the mariupol scenario, it is reported that at the nitrogen plant there may be about a thousand civilians, including at least 100 children, but almost 2,000 quarters of militants, of which foreign mercenaries have nowhere to retreat, severodonets. actually already blocked. after the last bridge,

which was connected now, was not blown up yesterday, therefore those ukrainian military units that remained there they remained there forever. they have two options. or follow the example of your colleagues to publish or die according to another option, there will be no humanitarian corridor, worked for only 10 minutes on wednesday. after that, the ukrainian military opened fire and disrupted the evacuation, the people’s militia of the lpr said, an elderly man managed to get out along the corridor. and got out. as they say, by chance, without even knowing about the evacuation, he asked the nationalists for leave, allegedly bequeathed to the ministry of defense of ukraine, in turn , recognize the hopelessness, they have no forces blocked on nitrogen and the means for resistance, besides, the plant itself is almost twice as large in area as azov steel, but not so fortified, however less for the western public, the leaders of the ukrainian special services tell fantastic stories about some kind of counter-offensive in severodonetsk, they already have

experience at sea, when the situation was really critical at the moment. i think that we will not allow this option, we will break it. all situations related to the offensive operation are already grinding the manpower that we are doing with severodonetsk yes, it is not necessary, for example, to control or most or half at least a third. so let's leave this gentleman aside, he is the former head of the foreign intelligence service. well, thank god that the former andrey nikolaevich is good, or is it bad? what is repeating? again, here is the same scenario, here is the algorithm, as if there are no exactly the same actions. well, again, from what we proceed, we proceed from the setting from the fact that we know how the story ended with azovstalgia. that is good. yes, now everything is going exactly the same, well, well. we know how this will continue. we sit and wait. is it good or bad. do you know when there is a certain number of civilians in in the hands of a terrorist is always bad, because you do n't know what this terrorist wants to do this time. yeah, if in one case they decided to

release civilian wool, do not take it. wow , for example, in this situation, the presence of foreign mercenaries is much more embarrassing. these guys. in general, they are not attached to anything, nothing is holding them back. and what they will do is not in this regard. on the other hand, it is not clear how mr. podlyakok said. this is such a tactic of doing things suck. they are good. they are bad hide behind civilians climb somewhere sro where you can drag out resistance, which strategically does not make much sense, but nevertheless, but it gives a picture, in fact, even mr. zelensky openly said that this is a symbol, that it is symbolic, that one must hold on for severodonetsk because it has some political interests from the point of view of the military the task will be solved, but again, this is an issue that the militants. they are sitting there now, i just don’t know, they are aware of how, uh, everything ended with azov steel, which means, uh, they took everyone, they took them where they needed to drink, they fed them. they are there now waiting here, because as far as i understand from nitrogen. we gave a guarantee of the preservation

of life to everyone, that is. let's sit there, then ours. so you know it's in the know, if they know it, then they probably think it over, if they don't know, on the other hand again, back to the foreigners, foreigners, also aware that and there were death sentences. yes, yes, keep talking. and all e vshushnikah and subdivisions, as about one homogeneous mass. this is quite complicated, and again, if they are guaranteed to be finally captive and good , i can’t confirm, but i read that it’s like how we guaranteed life, here, in fact. people are dragging out playing a certain part of their game. you see, it's good to talk about three or four of which this situation is predictable, they are really trying to repeat the experience in mariupol. and that's why they do it there are several reasons the first reason is the actual picture for their own population for the ukrainian population to show that the soldiers are fighting valor to boldly

resist and the north no, severodonetsk is not published. and here they will continue to resist. as much as they can to the end, and the second reason is to show the same to foreigners. it is the same for the europeans and americans to show that the fighting spirit is very high, despite the fact that yes, they see the example of mariupol and nevertheless continues to fight. so what? and they will continue to do this, and that they need to supply them with more weapons show fight. they will just sit there and wait, if they know they see this example of mariupol well, let the civilians go, then go out yourself, they will definitely come out. and even this is perfectly understood by everyone, including in kiev, but it shows that even knowing this they are ready to continue to sit there to suffer and suffer, only that you provide friends and a third reason, and the third reason is, uh, of course, there is no so many russian troops are tied to this, but nevertheless , a certain number of russian forces, and to delay in this direction so that they could not go here, please, if kiev has learned some

lessons from mariupol history from history. can such a situation arise that they will not treat civilians , as they did to azov, in the end they were released, and this will be excessive terrorist cruelty to civilians , in order to show later, look, the russians are doing it. unfortunately, we cannot rule out that it was not the same pr failure, the same media failure as it was to draw attention to unfortunately, this option cannot be ruled out, because this situation will most likely not be the last. uh, there are other factories there as the russian troops advance. we are in such situations with some units surrounded, where a human shield will be used, we will observe them. e from time to time and, of course, as far as ah, the worsening of the situation at the front for the ukrainian army. they will harden will be more value. they can resort to very tough options for resolving these issues alexander aleksandrovich on the one hand. i hope that everything will pass, as in mariupol, and as quickly as possible.

i hope there are prerequisites for this, but on the other hand, i’m afraid that if kiev considers the severodonetsky situation according to pr plans, and not according to military plans, then there is one such unspoken law in pr. you can’t joke the same way twice, the second time is not funny. you can’t play the same pr scenario a second time and do the same thing and play it 500 times, no one there really reflects that it doesn’t work the second time. they just, well, it means they didn’t come up with anything, but they can come up with here, i agree with ivan in this only direction, as if creative in quotation marks. i'm sorry. this is, of course, an escalation of brutality and violence. hmm in their hands. not only civilians. they still have containers of pesticides in their hands. there are many of them, what is there? uh, and at

one time i was afraid that these frostbitten fools would not blow themselves up heroically and then i would stand talking about it. so i hope that it will be like in mariupol, but i'm afraid that it could be worse, therefore, we need what mariupol is from my point of view. eh, a good example, but that this is really a brilliant action, there is a manifestation of humanism, saving lives and so on, and it was held with the assistance of the russian red cross and he and this experience itself. in my opinion, it is necessary, but it is necessary to repeat now it is necessary to invite international observers from the air to say that they started shooting today when we opened the corridor, because there were no uon troops there. well don't know why they started i don't have on this one question. i am so to speak. i say that, from my

point of view, it is necessary to do so that there are no such horrors that can really happen, we need to invite about russia, and he should invite the red cross to demonstrate to the whole world the humanitarian corridors that the armed forces open together with the people. and now you say alexey gennadievich as if it were not there. mariupol and because humanitarian corridors there were opened, in my opinion, several dozen times before you finally somehow arrived there, and as soon as they arrived. and as soon as they arrived, both civilians and soldiers immediately began to leave. i believe that this is effective and effective, and of course, why argue that international cooperation is always effective. eh, this is very important and the second point. this is what viktor drew attention to today, as we know, and nato is meeting in brussels and collectively, and regarding the issue of coordination and the provision of military assistance, and ukraine, and, of course,

zelensky’s complaints and position. hmm, there, this one, right here say, it is acting precisely on brussels now. yes, show that they are valiant, a and so on. we, maybe later, about france, they complain like that there. very interesting. yet again. excuse me , aleksandrovich is teasing me so that they send me reports there. and first, me. first, i specified the amount. e daily remember i said yesterday that 3.5 million euros are allocated daily for the information suppression of all this negative information in kiev. well, what a brilliant, what a brilliant cut you can arrange absolutely lovely, and about the sting again? today it is something like some kind of american ground forces there. there is their analytics. he says they counted. how many they demand, but hmm, ukrainians have these heavy howitzers and how many of them the americans have, and in all of them it turned out that they are practically everything, that the americans have a

thousand, and the americans have 1,000 there 100. that's something they say, well somehow this, damn it, since the weapon is beating. there was a speech. actually, western publications continue to write that in order for these the supply of weapons somehow did not stop and the western allies were not afraid. something ukraine has already practically lost, the losses that ukraine suffers in the donbass are plentifully hidden. at the same time, some new mobilization is constantly being talked about. hundreds of thousands of people need to be called. well, let's talk about this in more detail danya openly writes about the critical situation of the armed forces of ukraine on the donbass front. russian troops outnumber the enemy in the number of artillery shells fired by order and actively engage aviation newspaper. the new york times claims that kiev is hiding losses from western partners, fearing that, having learned the real numbers, they will stop supplying weapons . experts. these plans are called

insane defense minister reznikov said that every day we lose up to a hundred killed and up to 500 wounded. if you count for 3 months. it will be the same 25,000 you need. we need mobilization motivated people, removing people from trains for the sake of replenishing the national guard. it will not contribute to the improvement of the moral and psychological state, not only of the armed forces, but of the entire ukrainian nation. i am against this, the terrorist defense fighters whom zelensky ordered last week to urgently transfer to the donbass openly sabotage the orders of the command. they not only flooded social networks with angry videos, but also complain about the conditions of service of a foreign publication in an interview with the french newspaper figaro one of these dissatisfied told barely getting to the front of his detachment. immediately came under attack from russian aircraft. as a result, out of thirty, 23 survivors refused to return to their positions. now they face a para-para-para tribunal. you can

hear us from here now. why, that’s why in the western regions of ukraine they have been looking for dodgers since the end of april in the lviv region alone , two hundred criminal cases have been brought against them, trying to escape from the country, ukrainians find non-standard solutions , rent severely disabled people or squeeze in in suitcases and cardboard boxes open the trunk. the ukrainian authorities, by their actions, only confirm that being sent to the front is not a civic duty, but the punishment recently received wide coverage in ukraine the story of two sorrowful lovers who, for public sex on the odessa beach, were handed a summons to the draft board, an alternative to 4 years in prison under the article hooliganism. participants in an obscene act in one of the recreation facilities in

odessa are preparing to undergo a medical commission for hormonal surges in the future they will be able to lead to a normal balance during combat operations. and now vladimir zelensky is openly making claims to the army leadership. the long-discussed conflict between the president and the generals has become a public example. today i asked the commander-in-chief to pay attention to media reports that some of our soldiers do not have personal protective equipment. the reports that i receive differ significantly from what is being discussed in society. i am waiting for the army to check the logistics of what is supplied and how it is distributed in the combat zone actions. everything should be enough for everyone to protect the constant. i saw smiles at this odessa story on the beach. i didn’t really understand, yes, who is not there, in my opinion, everything, everything is also yes, yes, but if, again , in this story, sending to the front. it is perceived as a punishment for some

misconduct, it turns out that something is not an imitation of resistance, because if people resist. well, this is clearly not a punishment to go there. let's go back to february 24, 2022, which means the number of armed forces of ukraine is 320,000 people. common on the line of contact and in combat parts located there 150.000. half of the army , uh-huh, means according to all the rules. these are practically all combat-ready parts of ukraine at that time, and they did not go anywhere from there, with a few exceptions , they are all ground for change now. they said 25 thousand, based on official statements by the minister of defense. we must add one more important nuance. yesterday i had to speak with dmitry kiselyov in the program, he officially said in his program that the

figure from 150 to 210 thousand is walking around the career internet space. yes, numbers too yes if this is true. then, taking into account the wounded of all the rest , it turns out 600,000, the total number of disabled is a bit much. i believe that in reality there are somewhere between 70-80 thousand irretrievable losses, that is, in fact, the rest are wounded. more in the area. i take it very carefully, very carefully, the underestimated capabilities are still somewhere around 160 140 160 wounded incapacitated. that is, it turns out the same about 200.000 costs. that is, uh, it turns out the entire combat-ready army of ukraine, which was now in question. it's coming now

we are talking about creating a second army, of course, not all of the combat-ready units remained. well, somewhere, probably. 30-40 percent. of those that are now on the arc in the donbass, these are the old combat-ready units. maybe even less there already now, somewhere around 20 percent, so they don’t work in the detachment barrage mode. the rest are these three territorial defenses, plus these are the conscripts caught on the beach, so today, in the order of things, when 30 people raise the flag and go to surrender, two armored cars arrive. here today they are being shot. here are the ukrainians. let's somehow not increase the number of shading, the combat effectiveness of the armed forces of ukraine is becoming extremely lower. tell me i'm a little bit off to the side, but really the same picture. well, this smartphone screen of one of the

captured, uh, ukrainian soldiers. so he has a screen there. uh, the search engine is clogged with different options, the question means what the javelin is for. theory means why it does not work, in general they write that jivelins are not supplied in the kit, there must be some kind of argon cooler or something like that. in general, if it is not properly exploited there, it works for 4 hours. here's how while you can shoot from it there, and then it actually turns into a blank, but they don't send instructions and, in general, people there don't really understand how the instructions in english looked at 268 pages on purpose, so they clog youtube and try . how to shoot to train in theory, i want to understand those people who have received some kind of training. there in the beginning period is still before the start of the operation. this is clear. but if now to collect a new army, he is right . uh-huh, they trained these new ones, then

this is what we are talking about, then i can tell you one more thing, but it’s good to gather an army along and create a front line along the right bank of the dnieper. well, at least 200,000 must be put up. to be with a front of 200.000, this is again, i'm still repeating myself. this is the front of the great patriotic war. let them have those forces that i even designated as the minimum necessary arrest. this is in general the minimum necessary for good needs more, and for this you still need trained personnel. and they have very little time left, therefore, on the one hand, they drag out time as much as possible by forcing them to fight in the south-east of ukraine in order to leave themselves time reserves, this is a strategic idea. let those written off already those already written off. they have already been written off. they are just cannon fodder, designed to pull back well, russian troops. i don't want to say yesterday that the hostility that we, uh, will receive

from the population of the territory. uh, ukrainian through some time, when we will return these territories to ourselves. if there is, uh, hostility already, as i understand it. now. yes, wait will appear there after a while, that's how much it's a condition. no , it correlates with the fact that people don’t go to war then, if you are hostile, then you were attacked, which means, as in a joke, you take a rifle and go to the front, and they turn out they should motivate. and here it turns out the motivation is not visible. while talking, i also had questions. where are the nazis? uh no who walked with torches, yes, so we will show you now, again, here is such a little bit of a technological moment, that is, hmm politically motivated people. uh-huh. in this case, the same. the most nazis go to different cities, and weigh and look for not politically

motivated enough to yes, well, not to send them, but at least to shame them that they are going to war, and then you will comment yes? oleksandr nikolayevich captured ukrainian soldiers talk about the hardships of service because of the atrocities of the nationalists in the army, according to the fighters, 115 brigades of the armed forces, who laid down their arms in severodonetsk, the militants of the national battalions act as barriers detachments of regular units force the soldiers to attack those who retreat, they shoot the practice of intimidation in the ukrainian troops has long become commonplace called anything threatens threatened us, but vsspsp. who served where, if he is a helicopter pilot, then he shoots for a helicopter, if he moves all the tankers. well, the nationalists do not stand on ceremony from those who, in their opinion, run away from the war on the streets, they catch strong men and

public humiliate demanding to go to the front. one of these raids was filmed on a sports ground in kiev . we fight normally in a war or are shy, gives a point, i’ll go ask him that he has his number , he jumps, i’m handsome. hey close your everything, because i will close it for you too. i know, he is handsome, that how the darling jumps, what is the order in the war? yes, you are fighting, probably, yes, the fifth day and bandera and your own relatives. and they even brag about it on camera in one of the videos. the nationalist tried to mock his grandmother, but she turned out to be not a timid dozen and gave the scoundrel from now on and said on tv that bandera why is the gang why because with the fluffy let's break the russians

, i'm not going to argue with you. is there a nazi there or not? for me, this issue is clear you have your own opinion, it is unlikely that we will now come to a consensus, however. explain to me now, based on what you say, there is hostility , this hostility will grow, that they are going to fight, they are not going to go to the motherland to defend these people are going to fight. i think that a lot goes down the drain. i am in general the last person who can be suspected of sympathy, but to the soviet period and soviet power. well, just imagine for a second the situation, well, let's say in moscow and the moscow region as of september 1941 . some other people walk down the street

, sit in stadiums, in general, think about it, if representatives can’t feel it in germany , somewhere in the forty-fourth winter, this situation, it contributes to just this political motivation or when you are here so they hurt. you are more likely to be angry with this person than i don't know yet such a question. i've heard quantitative indicators, so, uh, i can't count right now. how old are you? and what percentage, which means that these mobilized, but they make up from the entire male population, this cannot last 25 years. the first thing a country does is generally normal. when it is invaded, it declares a general or its kind of mobilization, and then it is already mobilized by selecting those who, for some reason, cannot organically fight. and

here is what in the stadium you have now shown legs and points of view. this is absolute nonsense. such a country cannot resist and fight. she can’t even the fact that they are still somehow holding on for the fourth month. well, here i am. does this mean, because we are, because we are not in europe about which you are talking about nikolayevich, only 15, maybe 10% of people, which ukrainianism in the head means, uh, no hostility towards russia, do not experience and let's be honest hope that everything will end quickly and simply are waiting. let her not want in the opinion that she is experiencing, and including in the female part of the population. but the fact that we won’t touch the pits of the female part of the population now was indeed announced by general mobilization. they have already passed and will be held about the hunts and already the fourth wave, with regard to the possibility of mobilizing the entire male

population. even if volodymyr zelensky really wanted it, it is physically impossible, because there are several million people. it is necessary to place somewhere in something to put on something to arm in some way prepare. this is even a technically impossible task for today's ukraine, it is absolutely unrealistic, therefore, even with everything no, to put the entire male population. there is a certain percentage of the family, which can issue, when this population is knocked out, it recruits others. i would also pay attention here. you know, we recently discussed here, the beaches of odessa have fun literally the next day. there were patrols. uh, the military registration and enlistment offices and the police. i understand that the ministry of defense of ukraine will be news. and where to take conscripts from our entrepreneurs, how long ago did alexander quote about closed? well , i would like to remind you what is going on there, whatever you want, you can call it, please, you can call it a special military operation, and at this time anything happens, if you remember the history, then young people built dugouts and occupied in stores in order

to defend the very center of moscow in the event that it suits, and at the same time no one is an enemy, if it suits, and at the same time no one canceled because of this, detachments and fines, that is, everything was there, but for me, to be honest, everything that showed the most important was the moment. at the very beginning, when hmm there were fragments of the destroyed city and on the wall it was written happy birthday to diana in russian. and where is diana now and where is the young man who is written in her now, and while ivan is what you are, what you will say that every normal person is waiting for this to end. well, what radians for her to celebrate her birthday. well , because of the set table already celebrated unknown they will celebrate my next birthday, but now i don’t see any desire, no one, what stopped in this, where are the negotiations, of course, where is the desire for these negotiations, where

everything is working well. i stop you asking to open a humanitarian corridor. your opponent opens the humanitarian code instead of releasing people, you start shooting, where is the desire to translate, for some reason, but here you can really only join what is generally involved, i have now written down the events for you, how they happened. and you keep telling me something like that, because now each side has its own truth , everything, therefore, if there is no trust, then my truth is needed. she goes out to ntv television company what is the strength of the classics in that there are chased phrases here are the classics of russian rock, the truth is always one point the truth is always one pharaoh said this i just continue. yes, there, because it is about something else about an aunt who threw other people's hair there. i'll just give an example of a gentleman at the yabloko who reads the graffiti on the walls, but does not want to

to understand what is happening there, there is such a position in ukraine, which means the defender of e language. eh, mova, he will change. here he published another report. now you will understand. what is it about and this report says that in 2020 the last russian school in kherson was closed, so we remember this fact, and now we are transported to modern kherson and ask ourselves. why do tens of thousands of people immediately go to get russian citizenship of urine, that's why, because there is no way for a child to study in russian. first second. what else did he write? it the most ombudsman, today he may have nothing to do during e fighting. he analyzes the content of the ukrainian radio station and gladly saw it. that 3,264 songs were released in a day and only one was in russian in all of ukraine , one song in russian, but if you think that he was delighted, no, he was upset, because he also listened to the news and made sure that the news about

horror, where the man does not, sometimes the guests of the inclusion of the experts switch to russian horror and conclusion. do you know what a continuation of bilingualism is on the air ukrainian television violates the right to receive information, well, the ukrainian language. you just understand what kind of looking-glass nikolaevich is there. just understand. here at this university, but at the same time, all the videos that i showed you are people running away ukrainians in the battlefield swearing in russian a person who is trying to find jocks at the stadium to disperse them into the army , he speaks russian to all of them, but they are also russian. it is necessary in the army everywhere that the ukrainian language is mandatory at school and the war cannot be ended. exactly the problem that is now there is no longer this problem when it reports that more than 10 million people.

leaving home is no longer the problem, but you can be peace-loving, our peace-loving ones. contact kiev. let them act well and politely, beautifully and peacefully . and let him change the language and attribute the use of only the ukrainian language in the ukrainian army. as a result, the war will end tomorrow well a short pause. we'll be back in a couple of minutes. no one knows, it just seems like the bystanders are dying. your wife was shot at. today at 20:00 on ntv under the protection of the premiere from monday at

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alexei vashenkin tomorrow at 23-25 ​​on ntv this is the meeting point on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we continue with regard to the kiev requests for assistance , the military financial, uh, these requests will not stop less, but there are more and more doubts on the part of the western mm assistants of ukraine about the expediency of providing such assistance, because the west again suddenly remembered, uh, the problem of corruption in ukraine, let's give you a few examples now, there are different media and different ones there. uh, officials are talking about this, including ukrainian ones, who naturally do not agree that they are being accused of stealing all this aid that comes to ukraine. the day before, the us state department announced that it would send an additional $1.5 billion to ukraine every month to keep

the government running. while behind the scenes american officials are seriously discussing. how to track the fate of the billions already sent to kiev. while everyone is engrossed in glorifying zelensky, the ukrainian authorities in general and their corrupt interests have faded into the background, but all the american officials in charge of the day in unison argue that waste and fraud in ukraine is a matter of time, given the scale and speed of transfer of aid provided in afghanistan to the mechanism for monitoring monetary flows formed only 8 years after the start of the company, but in the case of ukraine, demand must be introduced already now everyone is writing about corruption in ukraine, leading western publications, reputable american foreign policy magazines warn that the money received is most likely if ukrainian oligarchs did not have any reforms in the country under zelensky, british time, in

turn, has already begun to collect facts of corruption in the ranks of the armed forces. theft even at the battalion level, for example, boards and metal were allegedly bought to strengthen the trenches in the amount of about 20,000 dollars. none of the guided vsu can explain where did this money actually go, ukrainian foreign minister dmitry kuleba admitted that the topic of corruption regularly pops up during his meetings with partners. however, he calls all claims far-fetched. in general, the image of a corrupt ukraine is a figment of the imagination of russian propaganda, but it’s time to honestly ask how justified this narrative is, and the total corruption of ukraine because history, because history shows that not everything . so bad. they tried to compare with afghanistan. so here everyone remember what the fall of a corrupt regime is, the cycles of traffic rules, and this is when the president and

heads of ministries packed dollars in suitcases and run away, leaving their people behind. on the production of fate, but we did not succeed. everything is still ahead, because it didn’t work out, therefore, everything is not so bad, that means about the image of corrupt ukraine. i think that i. ukrainian corruption. well, gotta know almost everything, well, much better than yes. as far as i understand, they will accompany him for the rest of his life accusing him of involvement in corruption in ukraine. here, nevertheless, suddenly such an insight it seems to me that this is some kind. hypocritical history viktor rzhazovich, do you think there is any insight here, if we remember under kravchuk and under kuchma and pro-yushchenko and under yanukovych and under poroshenko zelensky turchinov, under every ukrainian president, the americans

criticized ukraine for corruption and at the same time did not asked. there, special services were sent and they did not forget to provide financial support to various pro-western ngos. as for western politicians, those who assisted the american european ukraine now turn to this, because sometimes they say that here are the guys. we cannot accept you back and forth, because you have not carried out anti-corruption reforms. that is, as it turns out, that they still give money to turn a blind eye to theft. but uh, this is such a small key, after all, use it there is always used this theme to control political space in ukraine, that is, yes, in ukraine, corruption is very developed, therefore, here and cd, these people may be involved in corruption or these organizations. they need to be shackled somehow, that is, in order to control the ukrainian political space of those who are more profitable than america, to promote those who are less profitable somehow there is a corrupt official, who looks like? i'm

still here about this. the fact is that the americans themselves in vietnam and afghanistan there was more than enough corruption there. they were selling weapons somewhere to the left, and to themselves deducted funds. everything was there. and by the way, in america she is so famous, so they don’t surprise anyone for anyone that in ukraine during the hostilities. this is also happening. they will try to do two things here, firstly, to continue to control the political space on the territory that remains from ukraine, there will be less and less of it. and secondly, they will try in this way. the fact is that somehow to control all the same, to some extent, the costs that huge everything was put there in in general. now you are writing down, i can’t argue with this, but now there are several foreign publications about the last week. we have now focused on you. they're like he's on command by method. i don’t know how it could be, i somehow explained to them, a knowledgeable person about that very corruption in ukraine began to write practically, as if the author was the only

nikolayevich, this is now why you need to do it, look, the main thing in the information war is to be together with the winner and shift the responsibility for the defeat to someone, therefore, when now the west sees that ukraine is losing and this is inevitable. they begin to lay a straw in the information field ahead of time, what do they say? it's not a problem. and in the west that we gave money to weapons, and after all, nato is fighting with the hands of the apu, neither ukraine understands that the corrupt regime stole money, it was zelensky who did not give us information about the losses. zelensky did not tell us about the intelligence, because here zelensky is quite allowed, then such statements are prepared for defeat, ukraine of this state is the west in advance tell things and the more there will be, the more bells for us, that the west itself is well aware that the ukrainian state is on the verge of death. that is, this is such a wording, the doctors did everything they could, but the patient turned out to be defective, which is not. you are one of the ukrainian

experts yet. well, there, in fact, before all these events he said. uh, what is it like to overcome corruption in ukraine, this is when the spelling of the author is preserved in ukraine, this is when they start stealing from profit in ukraine. and now, when with profits only they start stealing, then we can assume that corruption has been defeated, with regard to the support of the west no, i'm afraid we've never been mistaken here. and there is no need to dream, so to speak, that the west will stop supporting ukraine, they didn’t say what to launch? no, he said he was a good cook. he is preparing his public position, which is preparing for defeat for the defeat of ukraine today, and the president of france visited romania, speaking at a nato base and said that the country will continue to support ukraine and the ukrainian army, romania or france yes, he said that country. yes, we must nato must support the ukrainian people and ukrainian good things about russia and then

continue negotiations. this is contrary to what i say, maybe then you need to keep ukraine. let's find out. what they supported was supported, but ukraine turned out to be not like that and the leadership is corrupt. let's just say that this is all the support, but when it comes to numbers. there, in kiev, some specific menus are already ready and the list is appetite and let it reach, then, but subscribe to these appetites. none of the possible donors wants now, without waiting for the end of hostilities. in kiev, they have already presented a plan for the restoration of ukraine; they compose it more carefully than a military strategy; 23 expert groups are involved in the work, with the involvement of international specialists according to the most conservative estimates. the cost of restoring ukraine is 600 billion dollars. however, zelensky himself urges partners not to count money, offering each of them their own piece of the devils on ukrainian territory. it

a big program, when each side of the world, our partners and friends will have patronage over this or that region, or this or that industry in our state, we will make all the grandiose plans for this. for the time being , the western countries are in no hurry to subscribe to any unilateral obligations. so, for example, the swedish authorities denied information about the agreement on the reconstruction of nikolaev, which zelensky himself announced during his famous press conference in the kiev metro, and a great friend of ukraine, the head of the european commission. ursula vonderlein shocked the ukrainian authorities. without reforms, money for reconstruction, kiev will not see the eu jointly the united states intends to develop a way to attract investment for the restoration of ukraine find investments should be accompanied by reforms of the management system to increase the independence of the judiciary fight against corruption to create a positive business environment in parallel kiev is looking for

gas in the united states and money for next winter. while the leadership naftagaz managed to agree only on the supply of lng from canada, and then from 2027. what to do? this is a big question. kiev estimates the cost of the next heating season at $ 8 billion, but liquefied natural gas is worth this amount. it will simply be technically impossible to deliver to ukraine this year. this will require about a hundred gasses and free capacity in european terminals, which, in the conditions of rush demand for fuel, is not expected to be imported gas for the next heating season, we will need to import gas worth up to $8 billion and this is specifically what we are discussing here in the us funding for us lng which could replace the pipeline gas we have traditionally bought in europe since we are in favor of a total embargo on russian gas we believe that lng from usa is the best alternative you have now

heard of this mr. windmill. that's about those volumes of gas, he says 8 billion. this is more, well, comparable to the current annual capacity of terminals for lifelong natural gas. whole poland and lithuania taken together. that is, these are absolutely some castles in the air, absolutely aleksandrovich, anyway, he talks about, uh, what he knows, what can be said, whatever this will not happen. well , you can have any fantasy, he bought traditional gas in europe well, europe therefore, yes in this sense? yes, yes, they can now, in order to cut down money tomorrow, tell rice, draw whatever fantasies they like for the day after tomorrow, knowing that it does not exist, this day, the day after tomorrow does not exist , and they know something worse than the americans. here speech that today is otshevelnyh. uh, after all, the first time the strategic concept was about using infantry from tours against

armored vehicles. this is actually the nato concept of the seventies against the soviet union, everything already existed and no, it was abandoned then, because it does not work. that is, now this lady was ger. and now they already refused ukraine then, the german government then abandoned the concept of deep defense, they said that these were our cities. we will not let them be taken down. and demolish these. it 's not our cities to cut the loot tomorrow, a the day after tomorrow the grass will not grow. they will now be all demographic programs come up with money for them ask. well, alexander, in fact, they will ask now, because it seems to me that just now arguments have been presented that explain the unwillingness to negotiate. not desirable on this side. yes, because the possibility of a log house, such as loot, yes, and, as it were, prolonged, this is a wonderful thing nikolaevich well, in general, uh, unwillingness to negotiate. it is due to the fact that there are a large number of

people who will not have in peaceful life and they will not demand from different countries, but is this a conflict with us or what? or i don't know, i don't understand either. well , everyone himself uh perceives uh to your question there were also reasonable arguments said that the financing yes case of reforms. are such reforms necessary, but certainly needed in the margins , it must be said that they are needed in russia too, because , unfortunately, they are approximately in the same position in terms of corruption ratings, but now we are talking about how much money will be needed it is impossible to restore ukraine, because nothing has been completed. and it's not even visible yet. i'm not asking about this at all. i'm asking you if you don't think, but the explanation for the reluctance to negotiate is the possibility of getting this funding for as long as possible, if

someone else with a surname ending in fr. has not returned from petrov's side. uh, wants to get warm on something. from any direction. this does not mean that the state. moreover, international organizations should sit and wait. andrey the question must be the political will whose driver's state. and if and why are the leaders of the distance - these are the same people then wait let's give names to sky, which is where the political will of this leader. i think that the citizens of ukraine should deal with his political will. and we need to deal with it ourselves. see say what should the president of ukraine negotiate. need to stop. this is the most

comfortable position. comrade yes, nikolai igorievich, what can stop people in the same way, alexander nikolaevich newcomers cannot do everything else. tell you. what else is victory yes, what border to what border? what did that say to you? who we said it? that there is competition between russia and america and then the border of poland is here, because it is here, because the war on nato territory is not safe. one by one, nothing will approach the western borders of ukraine, if it will be hostilities will stop, they will stop, nobody knows it will not. this means that this is victory, then we will have a border with poland,

the territory of ukraine, russia, definitely in our presentation of victories. this will be the border with the territory of poland, and poland, given everything that is happening now and will happen in the near future, will sit quietly, and will not sit quietly peacefully, of course. after that, if you answer political agreements in the same way as the question does not fix the result, nevertheless, without them, the result will not be very good. the first means that if a country is at war, then the final word in decision-making should be with the military, up to a military coup and a full military mobilization scenario. ugh second. if the country is really wants and also those who help her really

want to get rid of corruption, then the only way for any post-soviet country to overcome corruption is to introduce an external control, there is no other way for external control. perhaps also only economic, at least, yes, and political. as a matter of fact, perhaps, only when it was introduced in ukraine, this was done with ukraine under external control for ten years, this showed, well, as it were, external control. ukraine then last that's when then what has been said about. uh, if the country wants to defend itself in these conditions, the military must achieve its goal, there, right up to the military coup, konstantinovich, the state of the officergen, what does it tell you? can it be like this? because war is far from being only an armed struggle, but a multifaceted phenomenon, covering the economic and information

moral and psychological confrontation, a huge spectrum, therefore, the military should not do it. yes , the military plays a key role, but it must be competent to govern the country, he does not talk about governing the country. he says that the country needs to defend the country to protect the country in a war. how else to govern the country. and now about external control. you are mr. alexander nikolayevich, to put it mildly, to put it mildly, you are your soul. i want to remind you that during yeltsin's time our country was de facto under external control, and it's scary to imagine what kind of rapid flowering of corruption it was. i did not interrupt you further, what i want to say. here ukraine is definitely 100% external control here corruption. yes, you are overweight. now in our country, this is the course that the president has chosen. i want to say ninety-three. i was the defender

of the supreme council at the headquarters as an assistant to the makashu, damn it, i was a very tough opponent of this regime. now i am a 100% supporter and they support the presidents, because on the other hand they are doing something else. yes, he spends here. well, for which we then fought in 93 and corruption. now he is doing what he is doing now. yes, this establishment is quite rigid vertical control. even more hard. yes, this suppression works. he is there phones of freedom of speech with information sabotage information is not necessary. here, actually wool from the state is correct corruption and we are talking about. let's stop now the goal. your goal is to put russia under foreign external control. but this goal will never be reached. everything else will return the point. someday, and the next topic is literally in a couple of minutes.

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this year, the consumer must also understand that this is a temporary story. will a people's car appear in russia? it turns out that we need to re-create the automotive industry, and how russification of western brands will turn around. i also use this technique. it is a very high quality theme literally. there it is in a matter of hours. in fact, the next st. petersburg international economic forum will begin its work. today we decided to talk a little about the economy, but not on a global scale, but on some scale, but take a topic that is very topical right now, but import substitution and its results. klishas, ​​he somehow spoke very harshly in such a way that, in general, everything failed there, they began to argue understand. and over the past few days, both

chemezov and manturov, there are deputy prime minister borisov and various others. and there are representatives of ministries of departments. in general, they somehow got into this discussion, let's throw our 5 kopecks there, because ah, there is such an uh, a little bit, an absurd situation or a paradoxical situation. here's just our example. suppose we have already announced that we are launching the production of our computer on a domestic processor. yes , but we have a problem. we don't have enough cardboard in order to produce boxes where we pour juice. here in my head it somehow does not fit very well. and let's now listen to our experts, but first let's see the plot. it happened on tuesday. it is known that western manufacturers of high-speed elevators. they are used for elite housing skyscrapers; they stopped accepting orders from russia; we have a shortage of such

equipment. at the same time, there are already 15 factories for the production of elevators in the country, but their products are designed for ordinary residential buildings, the most popular a variant of elevators with speeds of up to 2.5 m/s, which are now produced in russia, for the production of a small amount of high-speed elevator equipment, a very large amount of investment is required to be replaced, western laptops that have fallen under sanctions want domestic ones based on a processor. baikal their production was launched in omsk last week russian laptops will cost from 100 to 120,000 rubles. while they will be purchased for government agencies. the first russian laptop on a completely russian processor assembled and completely russian components, yes, a portion of sanctions at the moment, it does not affect the overall picture in any way and does not change the situation in november-december 2021. baikal electronics has received everything necessary for

development work, the developers have been loaded for at least the next year and a half, russian beverage manufacturers, for the second week, have been complaining about the shortage of cardboard and paints for packaging , the volumes have already decreased by a third. now on the shelves of stores you can find boxes of juice and milk. in an unusual economy option in the state duma is considering options to introduce a planned distribution of cardboard among all market participants. and yesterday it became known about the start of an experiment to test the russian analogue of tetrapak packaging, it is clear that they have been working with previous suppliers so quickly for decades. logistical difficulties and resume deliveries, but the consumer must also understand that this is a temporary story. we will definitely return to our traditional packaging, relatively favorable situation, the wine industry russian wine. foreign brands are being actively forced out of the counters. truth production volumes. so far not enough. after all, for the cultivation of new vineyards. it takes at least

five years, as for strong alcohol, the russians probably. soon there will be only cognac to choose from, all foreign drinks, gin roma whiskey and other, according to some estimates, up to 90% of the entire range can be replaced, in fact, there is nothing to replace, the only option is parallel import, but the ministry of agriculture is still against it. the issue of parallel import is relevant only in relation to replace strong alcohol with wine and beer domestic analogues are easier cognacs from the provinces. champagne can hardly compete with dagestan at least in the price segment. other , sooner or later, parallel imports of alcoholic products will still be allowed. well, it’s understandable that therefore the plot of some kind of such, uh, right now, a thorough analysis cannot be carried out, but, nevertheless, the patient is more likely alive than dead, or like anton valerievich well, look, several examples were carried out. by the way, i would n’t relax like that about a computer, because a little different

computers for other purposes, this is not mass substitution. e computers. well, that is, it takes time, that is, it’s still, i see. well, it’s not like that, that they’ve launched it now and everything will go. and for example, with elevators there the story is fundamentally different. it is really 780 percent we make elevators ourselves, but we do for ordinary home. well, they will look for nothing from others, respectively, the aftermath is definitely necessary, so that the elevator is mandatory, so that it is so, but if you have a weaving of it, and 30 40 50 60 people, it must go fast, but there is certain requirements, but because you will not go upstairs for 10 minutes. you know, you asked a question at the beginning. and by the way, there are no problems with strong drinks either. for example, we underestimate a country like india, which produces very good whiskey and very good growth, and was worried. jackson, as they say, i understand, that is, classical performances, but i myself was surprised, literally for a week i studied this issue very expensive and elite.

there is a good one question and indian indian - this is import substitution. of course. no, it means colleagues. wait for them. wait, then you will answer the substitution question, as i understand it. it means when if you have disappeared whiskey there, yes, you have russian whiskey. they are indian in this case, we are talking absolutely different from any country in the world. moreover, russia will not be able to replace should not be understood not economically. it is impossible at all technologically impossible. here, just look, we are misinterpreting the term itself, that is, this, but simply the appearance of a certain another product to replace the disappeared one, and not at all the replacement of this disappeared product, this is a russian-made product, not so partly what is connected with what is extremely important for us from the point of view of technological sovereignty - this is the

replacement of our products. with our goods in those positions where we cannot do it today or there in the short term sources. this is an import, respectively, new suppliers from other countries, and everything else came out today, a good article by chemezov, in very simple language this approach is described. i recommend everyone to read it, he gives an example with kamaz kamaz 250 positions after the sanction, respectively, it was necessary to combine 220 localizations. why do we make computers, but listen to cardboard? both. there is a technology, a philistine story that there are no cardboard boxes, ordinary cardboard does not fit there. that is why now they are experimenting and making some new russian boxes of their own, which are not yet clear, they will not fit. in fact, even cardboard. here is the citropakovsky - these are big technologies, big investments, everything else should not be thought that once a piece of paper,

it means that everything is so easy and simple, this is not how the moscow region has been working for us since the eighth year. if i'm not mistaken, this work is a tetra-packed production, and another thing is that, if colleagues ono is already closing, nevertheless. it will obviously not be demolished. this means that we need to agree on imports in a civilized way. if people don't get the trail, they can't get the ingredients they need, they're ready. here they can't contacted the government of their country. they were shown. we are now talking about reducing a certain tension, yes, which occurs in their people who use it, uh, this is the main one in my opinion. now the task. and we can relieve the tension, and these steps are already being taken. so it's a tension, of course, even in your story. it's obvious, because people probably start to wonder what they pick up from the shelf, but nevertheless, natural. here, wait, well, you take, uh, a bag on which it is simply written

milk, and you will take it and strain right or what? so, how? it is, on the contrary, good. there is less to spend. here is the material. there is a subtle point, and because these bags. more precisely their quality directly. uh, the shelf life of a product depends on it, for example, yes, this is also very important and such technologies are already actively working in both china and india, these are our strategic partners, if we have a production facility already built on the territory of the moscow region, then with the delivery raw materials. what a colleague said, and the question is already a little simpler will be decided, because they are awesome. well, uh, you understand, if the tropac plant is made under completely specific technology components, then uh, adjust the chinese components for this technology - this is the same amount of time. how much past to debug the production of this cardboard is now about, but overestimating is

inadequate, colleagues hitting the problem and such as the problem of whistles are no sanctions, therefore, about. no, it’s like some kind of logistics and financing problems, our suppliers bought urgently, and the return of funds for the purchase as well as oil and gas, and they gave loans. now loans do not give a delay, they do not provide, they require 100% you are only more expensive than what i read sergeevich everything is interested. you and i are both interested. our physiognomies speak with you, the problem is to fix finances, if our banks at any acceptable percentage give loans on the contrary, then our citizens will not expect

restrictions, not champagne from the provinces. shampoo. this is a scout who does not expect restrictions, especially agenda because the european union is on these things. yes, i did not impose sanctions, they imposed them on finances. that is, everything will only be more expensive than our meetings, firstly, not immediately, but more expensive, but since our suppliers, a, have laid it down, then it turns out we can’t do anything indefinitely. yes, we are not talking about board replacements. we're just saying that we used to ship directly from here. this is somewhat different. wait. wait for us to let you down through advertised. uh, than a yazov article, really her big column came out on rbc where he says that to perceive import substitution as a total replacement of everything that was brought by some kind of russian production or goods is a utopia, it’s drowning, what else he writes. so

trying to do everything with my own hands to me, according to the jaw. this is a dead end, russia, despite western sanctions, must remain part of the global world , must develop technological cooperation with foreign partners. and here, according to the head of rostec. no, nothing shameful, he collects american iphones in asia in the usa none of this does not worry about setting up its own independent production in russia, they write it is necessary in critical and strategic industries - this is aircraft manufacturing, and heavy power engineering instrumentation is also oil and gas equipment, and the head of the ministry of industry and trade adheres to a similar position. mantra according to him , the russian authorities managed to achieve the planned share of import substitution in those areas that were recognized as priorities back in 2014, when it all started, we are talking about more than 20 industries. we never had plans to replace imports by 100%. i think this is simply unreasonable, even today, even in the

current situation, when western countries refuse to supply their units, component materials, and there is seriously the second half of the world that is ready to do this to replace imports. all at once. firstly, it is quite expensive, and secondly, such an approach will not give a positive economic effect. import substitution must be 100% where it is a matter of national security. we are talking about the defense industry enterprise and military products. and how do you perceive the essence of import substitution, because while manturov has deciphered it because of his opinion , i will honestly tell you that i also perceived import substitution, how it does its own. well, you correctly perceived it in the historical sense from the very beginning, and in a nutshell i will relate, so to speak, to what chemov wrote. this is a very reasonable look of an interested person , i emphasize interested persons, what i say, as

a very intelligent person, he understands very well that turning russia into north korea is the end for rostec and for most of those industries that are included in rostec, because it's easy to cut off all ties. well, it will be the same story that we have been fed for many years, you know, so we ourselves will not live, but here are the children, well, or grandchildren, in extreme cases, here they will live well and so on, therefore, what am i completely. naturally, he says yes. let's stay within the system of the international division of labor. come on , only for this it is necessary that not only uh, the princely agreed. and the father of the bride too was ready. you know, in this case, we still do not see a great desire of ours. as the western partners say, it has become, so that we remain in this very system of the international division of labor, and about what is really being discussed. this is a very important question. and andrey all the time looks at the root and says. it will be more expensive, you understand, if you speak completely on your fingers without going deep, well, in general, the very idea of ​​replacement from the 18th century and partly from 19

alexander hamelton. was also one of the first us secretary of the treasury he was mutual import substitution the us was an agricultural country, england was industrialized. he said no, let's try to make our friedrich list, then he said the same thing about germany. here england is ahead of us. let's do duties the question is as follows, and in this sense, here is a professor at the russian school of economics. natalia volchkova. she made it very clear. who will pay for import substitution, because in fact, if you round it up, leave everything, so to speak, subtleties aside we are talking about the fact that the consumer is offered to pay more for a product of slightly lower quality, and which will be less, but in the hope that after some time generation. we will learn how to make goods of the same or better quality in sufficient quantities and, uh, competitive. and then

it will be great. to do this, before the consumer will be ready to overpay, as the experience of latin american countries has shown, which from the fifties years happily began to embrace this idea for replacement, unlike germany, which succeeded in this and japan, which more or less also succeeded in the 19th century in latin american countries, and there were no civil society institutions of independent courts and others, attributes of an institutional normal economy , therefore, instead of that industry, for which the consumer overpaid. the fruits would begin to grow, those people who led either state enterprises and were recruited for the fact that we would rather paid attention further to the russian consumer behind the development. well, 15, or for welfare in front of you, angry, who says that why import substitution washes, he

’s more for products, it’s not clear what quality jan tells us, i summarize this position so that it’s clear that you don’t want to pay him for this answer. well, for starters. let's agree on the terms of import substitution consists of two parts and here, and to achieve this global goal there are two solutions. the first one is substitution of production in russia are parallel. importing what may not make sense to produce. if i may, i will expand on these examples that we have touched on. these are cardboard and elevators, for example, cardboard. well, firstly, in the near future i offer whiskey in cardboard packaging. yes, i'm not a whiskey specialist, so cardboard or elevators, so from cardboard, firstly, white whites are already being produced will soon enter the market. there is its substitute brown cardboard and already a number of dairies. it produces this packaging and wide. application too will be received we forget with polythene containers glass containers of any kind? what are the issues? no, this is the one that makes milk, because of this, it imitates that they will become cheaper in the same way, because we actually have not risen in price here

. we are trying to replace that dye, or talc, or some kind of micromarble inclusions that went into the cardboard that made the tetra- packs, it's okay, there are various other types of packaging and i completely agree with you that there is no consumer criticism from this. well, well, he definitely won’t worry about elevators there, based on statistics. indeed, 20% are imported 80% we produce ourselves. well, out of these eighty, a huge part was supplied by the company, otis, american, as a rule, these are winches and microchips, and the winch and microchips are produced. in general, it is quite possible technologically everything is worth it. mass construction is on this way. it won't affect. how skyscrapers do, please moscow city samsung burj khalifa korean manufacturer chinese is also a microchat. question of the humanities. offered a contract winch. this is a steel cable. no, the winch, it's the motor itself, the electric motor, which will pretend no one hears. no, everything is correct. you are

correct. yes, it really means the drive itself, which raises the motor, affects so precisely, therefore, when solving the whole range of tasks. we can partially replace or replace, or something similar in our good soviet past battle. at least we drank milk from a glass bottle. it was wonderfully organic. today it is very dangerous. no, it's not dangerous curls. this is the number of conditions, for example, this is dangerous. you will break the milk normally without transition. e in personality. let's not have abstract conversations about substitutions for them. we have twenty years of experience in import substitution in the food sector. what will we talk about in latin america provided import substitution improved quality and ensured price reduction there is a full-scale experiment. and why are we going to conduct an abstract

judgment about this. let's take a second, friends, specific, industry, quiet auto industry, just on june 16, president a meeting is being held, in my opinion, somewhere on the margins of the st. petersburg economic forum on the automotive industry . which avtovaz, 2 months after the downtime, begins to produce cars, unlike the hyundai toyota nissan plants, which are still idle, but there are questions about those cars that will now roll off the assembly line. well , of course, avtovaz resumed production of the classic lada granta model. it will become the most affordable passenger car on the market according to dealer estimates. the price will be around 650.000 rubles. on current car market. this is just a gift, but there are nuances, auto experts immediately nicknamed the assembly soviet in the car there will be no abs airbags , but a manual gearbox. excuse me, but this is a modern car radio, what is it? a car without airbags? so i think that we just need to conclude. such cars should be produced if we consider that a civilized

country, because it is in such cars that people died immediately more often than in cars with airbags in 2009. support for domestic automotive industry amounted to 530 billion rubles. the auto concern of how cooperation was established with oskolkovo in order to introduce russian technologies, however, as a result, there is no domestic automatic transmission, no electronics. passenger cars were refused import substitution for economic reasons, the ministry of industry and trade calculated that in order for the idea to pay off, the plant should produce 3 million cars in russia, while the entire car market is about one and a half million so that hmm the car becomes a reality from scratch, created, received in production need a minimum of 1 billion euros. we probably have it and we will order it for about a billion, but we don’t have other factories that will assemble the engine box-box, stamp it all, paint it, assemble it. it turns out

that we need to re-create the automotive industry as an alternative to western technologies. now they are trying to find avtovaz in the east, for example, they replaced the german partner bosch with a chinese company three new ones, and the city authorities, according to the newspaper. the news is now negotiations on the launch of the production of the moskvich car using the technologies of one of the chinese companies, however, the same kamaz with import substitution. already coped and quite successfully assert russian poetry after the departure of the european partner. the plant needed to replace at least 250 components, about 220 components were localized in just a month for the remaining 30. other suppliers were found. as a result, today the plant will resume production of new-generation k5 trucks by the end of the year without the participation of former western partners, of course. this is a good result and a clear answer to those who today say that we ourselves can’t do anything ilya alexandrovich, again,

a humanitarian from moscow who has difficulties with a winch. explain why we can’t develop this kamaz experience to also replace the source, and there for avtovaz, after all, the abs airbag is not the most unnecessary thing in a car, but all previous years, in general, we were really deceived by officials who pretended to be completely different import substitution things. we were very fond of presenting some a russian iphone that actually changed to chinese or report that everything is wonderful with us imports. in fact, it was a screwdriver assembly. here we can see very well by regions how they used to gather in kaluga and kaliningrad in the leningrad region. uh, well, actually sent parts, some cars i'm talking about. well, you see, they are on the territory of russia, they are assembled. this is our uh, our industry, and this, in fact, officials reported that how you successfully import substitution. and when we faced with real hellish sanctions, because these sanctions are uh, actually our uh, competitors. they say why they go, they want to destroy the russian economy with these sanctions, and

with them the social states. russia along with jobs and other things. today , only kamaz, as it turns out, can replace, uh, within a month from the position. well, what is not important replaced. i say, i say let's do it again. i just want to remind you that a few minutes ago i was talking about the author of this article as a roadside smart, but understanding person said. the movie was 220 out of 250 positions, who just from china. you see, it’s profitable for me to say so now. i say so. it's good for me to say that. i say so, well, it turns out, yes, the elbrus processors also spoke of a structure designed for the mass production of cars , secondly, the words screwdriver production. but have you ever, uh, in st. petersburg seen the ford plant was a steep production. there were production lines with robotic

systems. welding, painting welding painting what sent, germany production, please swallow, because what kind of it did not take to lie. it's good in principle. what it is, that is, twisting the handle of a screwdriver, is not important at all. it is quite technically difficult to replace the production of passenger cars. why? because this is a completely different tool industry, but nevertheless they will decide on the vase, and then all the same , colleagues. we have already agreed here. let's respect the russian consumer. so, if he buys the lada grant the way he is offered, what else, it will mean, but offer ban this production. you yourself buy a car without without abs and airbags. i'm sorry

by age will not. if there are no other cars . we don’t want to get into a situation when we either have this or don’t want it, as if it’s not only the choice that we want at all, yes, well, let’s understand that this is a relatively small price to pay for solving problems that are national, so that with national. and for the country , this is the question of abs or people will wait. i think it 's not so long to wait on foot that the sanctions will begin to be weakened in your country in the first part, people who, in my opinion, are not very aware, were talking, in the near future, uh, three leaders of the european union will come to kiev and they will explain to zelensky that either you agree to serious territorial concessions, or we will reduce sanctions, the second. uh, most

likely, the us treasury department will greatly reduce energy over secondary sanctions. have us same always problems not with primary females. but still hopes ours. we hope not to expect better, but we hope for the best this is a longstanding principle we have already. i am deeply anything we are ready and the majority of our society, 80%. immediately i, as sociologists, say, i am ready to endure these real hardships. you threw pilaf sunday past now. we just need to open up. wow. but vanya told me, i would have this topic for me, to be honest, somehow it’s just a long service, and he, apparently, followed, e, lined up

e at the re-opening mcdonald ’s which are now called tasty point. this suggests that quite a large number people were not ready to endure the absence. this one, uh, thin ones. but ivan said that let 's compare. let's come back to this topic in a couple of minutes. i want you to kill one person. i'm at any moment the premiere will soon watch the series killer right now on kinopoisk is a security service.

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today 20:00 premiere from monday at 20:00 on ntv this is the meeting point on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we continue. so here is import substitution in the field of fast food. here delicious and the point that was mcdonald's e, this morning has become. it is known that the company ikea and, it seems, made the final decision to leave us. they will sell their factories here, in my opinion, there are four of them in our country. here margarita simonyan, the editor-in-chief, the artist suggested in her telegram channel. e. here is a new version and a la tasty point for here are such, e, spheres that western representatives are losing. here for ikeana it offers, if i remember correctly it's cozy, what's there for smartphones that are leaving. well

ok, planes. uh, it flies and nothing like and the most wonderful pro car rides. well, it's tastier. that's why we come back with tasty and full stop. i'll be honest, here's the editorial of the program better suggested option. what chew chew? well, they offered the best option. these people are all z, yes, then in this z network i support there would have to be a different, uh, assortment. or how is it that you understand the menu differently, but here somehow it turns out some kind of import substitution, half-hearted. well, let's see. intrigue around the names of the imported restaurant, its interior and menu were buried by the new owners until recently, the main positions of burgers and fries have been preserved. they are now adorned. on the corporate logo. instead of a letter. the restaurants themselves are called delicious and that's the point. i don't like it. honestly, only the name of the logo.

everything else is great. it's true, but we can get used to it. while some rejoiced at the absence of serious changes, others wondered why everything was started at all. why is this state me? it's a mystery, all this unbridled pr of the new mcdonald's crosses out all import substitution and the entire gap with the west. the main complaint of the patriots is the absence of pancakes in the menu of russian cuisine, but they only promised to introduce russian dishes for breakfast. if there is a request from customers , the public believes that the request has already been formed to replace the american fast food. the russians were waiting. they would have renamed mcdonald's to the moscow cutlet and would not have fooled themselves or people, because the first soviet burger, appeared in the country thanks to the initiative of comrade mikoyan, this is exactly what the opening of the successor to the mcduck was called. and the western press, the journalists had difficulty translating the new

name of the network tasty and period . delicious and on time. but the french tv channel franz-24 completely translated, how tasty and a complete stop in the context of the article. this name looks very evil. on sunday at pushkin square in in moscow, dozens of people gathered outside a russian fast food restaurant. delicious, full stop mother of two, elena revealed that her entire family went to mcdonald's three times for farewell dinner. now they have a reunion dinner. i'm not talking about these people now, so anton come on, really, so here's the story with this mcdonald's delicious and that's the point. this is an example of import substitution, or is it a discredit. e sense here crediting the idea of ​​import substitutions from the point of sense content sense essence preserved the

product that the consumer wants to eat, so this well, from the point of view of the personification, the name of the naming of the date when all this was opened. of course, i think that this is what consumers do not want to eat. well, no, there is right away, but we are presented with a false choice. what do you mean where? russian, right? well , the russian consumer himself. accordingly, he chooses to eat teremok, for example, but i will not call you now, so as not to advertise, but there is a friend. please compare with the queue in the teremok. wait, wait, if teremok is closed, and uh, there will be so pr-escort, maybe somewhere in one place. some people are not the problem is to drive people away, as if to create a queue. by the way, i think that this is the wrong day of russia was chosen precisely because of the analogy of this and that queue. let's talk about more serious things, let's talk, in fact. this is import substitution. well, the most dangerous, first. and this i now briefly is saving jobs in the first place, first, and two false premises, the first

false premise. here is the consumer. now they were talking about cars about something else. here we have no difficulty either and-or. we are in a situation where we should act not immediately everything will work out. we do n't have any other choice, all the point. the topic was closed, the second point and the point. speech about screwdriver production. here we need to get up, because i will not be aggravated now. oh go deep go deep. i'll post localizations in telegram. please read the telegram channel. uh, anton khashchenko, he advertises my performances there. and i was there in the coming days, i’ll pick up a selection, what has changed in terms of localization, including production, because there is a lot of work done, please write. the union is a myth that the soviet union completely provided for itself. uh, in general, all this is not true, starting from shoes and ending with no one even knows. for example, the level of river boats for the operation was just there those

countries with which we were friends and lived normally and did normally. and now the most important thing is that we did not consider doing this at all. here is the main question. well, and most importantly, and the answer to it does not sound, in my opinion. first, if not in particular about banks to leave, our entire economic block the government turns on the pro-trade there, and everyone else must switch to the regime. now attention. it is not in the sense to provide a replaceable state plan. e. well, here, here they made so much cardboard here. yes, in the sense that there are thousands and tens of thousands of positions on which we really have problems, there are small problems. there are very big problems. and in all these positions there should be a clear understanding that we are replacing ourselves. and what we bring further is the capital that participates in all this should be clearly received by each capital. well every business. i mean my business angels from the governors, the ministers of the prosecutors, and the security forces,

who will be provided by the prosecutor. more efficient without angels, because if this is a parallel import, there you need to resolve issues with the governments of those countries there, it’s a matter for stas to solve with our customs, because this issue of customs clearance is everything else, if this is production inside, i understand that. i just heard the question a good second. the question is good and i would like to. eh, damn, alexandrovich, you said you need a new one. mayor. yes, the calculation is a bit tautological. new economic policy no. well, if the gonplan, then we will return to the era of the shortage of the scoop and all the adjoining underpants there, only the new nep is precisely our climate, the most useless thing, but when entrepreneurs, if your gray cover is not violent enough, it’s good enough, but you need to show that enthusiasm , which in the twenties made it

possible to create a base, on which it is worthwhile , you know, to save at least something. yes, if you will now, because if you shoot people a year, we will return to the fact that everyone will simply leave here, as they have already got used to at the same time. well, what do you know about it? not? well, i'm talking about new politicians - this is first of all freedom. and above all, this is security for entrepreneurs who can restore these supply chains on this occasion. only not only financial, but also logistics and production money remains. let's get it. yes, well, first i'm sorry, but this work has been done. and the ministry of industry of the fourteenth year systematically all the departments. all departments maintain a list. uh, not only those products for which there are risks, but the analysis or supply alternatives is the second time regarding financial fairness, but for this there is an

industry support fund that provides priority e-technologies that have been allocated at the ministry of industry and trade, but under 1% loans, in addition, the government decree allocated funding for priority areas and a commission for operational management. that is, we do not need any nep, the music is on. i want to remind you that you only need a quote, whom, whom are you quoting, but you are quoting the president of the russian federation who said that the first task is to expand economic freedom . still, this first work continues on sorry, uh, heretin, which continues to cut off. and these regulations are enough to point you to a professional, of course i'm telling you that now

will not cross the threshold of working groups, but another time. as ilya aleksandrovich, the president of the fund of the center for the development of regional policy, took it, it’s not enough for you, yes, no. well, what is required here such a position, he is not a professional in everything, because the background, well, here is the center for the development of regional policy regarding screwdriver technology and so on. this is a test of professionalism and it's going to be heard at an economic meeting, which yes, let's not leave it for now. yes, you said that he seems to be going. in any case, this is not a repetition of the one, but the economic policy that was in the story about mcdonald, about the new mcdonald's, a cutlet sounded on the initiative of mikoyan's comrades yes. actually, it is not one-time in these technologies, because the

cloning of some western stories and their localization on our site. after there in the early sixties. end of the fifties. it was a very common story. let's have a little bit of the famous kitchen debate between khrushchev and nixon at an exhibition in sokolniki in 1959, in front of a dozen journalists, nixon boasts to the soviet leader. at the american achievement show. there are dishwashers vacuum cleaners televisions cameras lawn mowers the soviet union cannot boast of the production of all these household delights. i also join the admiration of our soviet engineers that the americans are smart people. we always believed and knew about it. well, stupid people could n’t raise the economy to a level that they didn’t reach, but we also know flies, so to speak, we were in vain, we beat khrushchev’s expression to catch up and overtake america, it didn’t even take 5 years

for soviet engineers to copy part of one to one exhibits from the same exhibition in the corners after which a vacuum cleaner seagull , an electric razor from gödel, a gorky camera, and even the famous children's metal constructor of dreams with dreams will appear in the ussr, and now your boy just needs a toy with which he will never be bored, a children's metal constructor, and already in the fall. khrushchev's first visit to the united states, when he returned, he introduced self-service canteens throughout the union, inspired under his nose on the rails, which he saw during lunch at the ibm factory. and the famous sausage will appear in public catering test. for example, at the american hot dog, which khrushchev fed mr. khrushchev tried everything for the first time in the life of american hot dogs, except that beer was not attached to the sausage. he stated that the recipe should not be changed in any case, as if someone was going to do this. alexander alexandrovich of the

modern ones. here are the realities of such a format of cloning localization buzzword localization. i really like it perhaps colleagues. look, let's uh gracefully close uh with our new public catering. in fact, there is absolutely nothing new there, because all the technologies that are used in the kitchen were invented. in america, 50 years ago, even conditionally dispensers for ketchup and mustard - this is how you press it, and pour it, you press it right away , something is squeezed out on the tube, but this was not the question for us , it was fundamental to keep mcdonald's under any name, even under the most idiotic for two reasons, firstly, all raw materials are made, hamburger. yes, but ours are tens of thousands of workers places in agriculture, you need to think not about the name. and about the fact that we have saved the workplace and whatever it is called, the tenth

question is completely. nevertheless, everyone does not like the name, very people stand. colleagues expressed the opinion that people were herded there, i completely disagree with this, because on the same day i drove through another mcavto. uh, there's a queue of dozens of cars. well, they weren’t driven there. it’s a matter of habit, that is, uh, solving the issue of the needs of the population. we're leveling certain stress. although there is no import substitution here. no, we saved jobs. well, this is how it should be. it seems to me that there is a mistake in how to say this? in the advertising campaign itself , it just happened that the advertising campaign of mcdonald's, which is no longer there, passed. but it was necessary to advertise this new owner, who kept the job. here's some direction. i can immediately say that it turned out that some kind of yaroslavl left, so that from the fact that everything is bad with us and nothing will work out. i can tell wonderful. well, e- there are some. uh, moments of such thoughts i can say that there is a specific

industry. where, for example, imports are already underway, please, vanya's question. so you said, mcdonald's technology, in general, fast food technology was invented, there 50 years ago or there 70 it doesn't matter, stop. we have mastered it now. we use our products. everything is fine. we have people working and people eating in some other industries. we can clone some technology for some example. give a living example of a specific mogu bring any of you distinguished colleagues. now he can go to the department of household chemicals, huh? vovoi large e-e networks and you will see how many positions of domestic cosmetics have appeared, my colleagues, my friends have opened a space care production in household chemicals. yes , care, this is meant. uh, like shampoo gels, really the department of household chemicals. that is, it’s all the same, it’s from, as it were, counters that stand next to, in principle, shampoo. you can cough a little

expensive. here is. i understand. yes there is everything russian and moreover, it did not appear today, like mcdonald's in quotation marks. yes. and this has already been actively produced for a month, i can tell you, again, that if in the case of a laptop with a baikal processor, it is possible that the consumer will overpay for well, a product with a controversial, perhaps quality, then, i assure you that with household chemicals will not overpay for anything reasonable price excellent quality. uh-huh we can share sergeevich bring, well, later vladimirovich please. yes actually many examples. i understand your question, where do we notice. the same gaz group has been living under sanctions for 4 years, and at the same time they have built a plant that has replaced a huge number of these processes, therefore, more complex science-intensive industries . this work is in progress uaz has long switched to the chinese obs system, electronics, and everything works perfectly. it is worth noting that it is not

cheaper than bosch, for example, but nonetheless. these are two different things if they just switched to the chinese system. they just changed supplier. it’s not us with our own mind, it means we have reached the point of how to make abs qualitatively, but we just changed the seller from one continent to another as strictly as possible there, i’ll come to the question. yes, i looked a little more broadly, where the substitution is, which is why i started, so a large number of industries, indeed. we produce this and the furniture industry and mechanical engineering and machine tool building do not take the defense industry. well, for obvious reasons, so there are many such examples in all industries . therefore, the bun is fast. either not copying a thing is not difficult and absolutely true acceptable. if people need it, if it is in demand, they will roll, but something more complicated. but i gave you an example of gas groups. we build factories, we make, uh, castings and aluminum cast iron , we make fuel equipment, injection equipment. many, uh, elevators and mechanisms are also being mastered. the issue is that technologically complex products in themselves require a certain switching cycle, as a colleague quite rightly said. this applies to the machine tool industry which never, for example, really for

there was no fiat for avtovaz. we bought everything imported, and the gaz group also used imported equipment at one time. we do the same with metallurgy with the metallurgical engineering of the sms semak dimag group, which leave russia for one reason or another. this is done by the plants themselves and produce tooling and repair their shafts. the question is how quickly this happens. we colleagues with you are in this situation. well, probably 110 days, yes, uh, to one degree or another. at first, this import substitution began to sound much earlier. it it certainly started. klishas said that the task was really justified, yes, well , first of all, the very idea of ​​them, you know, i can't help but react. i was very amused when the reaction here is purely bureaucratic logic. well , so many good things have been done, the government commission wrote something and wrote in the column, the work was carried out and the president said, give me freedom. and that

's it. that's why you still need something that was carried out right here, and nothing has changed in the economy because of this. it's all pretty obvious real the economy is engaged, but people still have the idea of ​​what to do is all shouting, and in regards to improvisation, but you know, not a single country in history that did not have good institutions. none of these countries, through import substitution, has achieved anything good. yes, china is not engaged in an extremely high-tech pipe product for gas pipelines of high large diameter and high voltage, it must be understood that the gas in the pipe flies at the speed of an artillery shell. and excuse me, there are three countries in the world, that occurred more common to you than your opponent.

now has shown advantages in recent years, they have created a unique system, and the production of large-diameter pipes for gas pipelines, which, according to their technical characteristics, is better to agree. but in general, in the economy, the diet of institutions begins there. this i am ready to accept. it simply means that we have an institution. this is the first second gas, if you try how much me in the country with three countries in the world produce engines for civil aircraft, then three countries in the world and now there is a certification of domestic aircraft engines, which surpass their competitors in terms of technical characteristics. this means proving that we have institutions and technologies. there are institutes, high -tech institutes - this is the independent court

institute, this is independence, so if you say that we have everything, well, you didn’t read books well, because not everyone sees the date, then it’s a simple example. i just want to extend what a colleague said. excuse me, they thought that spaghetti was already we will never do. go to the store and you will see several from russian spaghetti producers, the topic of domestic children, we have opened closed boris hopes, so i now propose to pause a little and ask our guests for the final question. a nineteen-year-old girl accused a thirty-two-year-old neighbor of rape, but did not live to see the trial. sorry for

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on ntv shark premiere today at 8:00 pm on ntv this discussion is still ongoing. so, then once again, after all, import substitution, how to understand it correctly. this is a necessity, as soon as possible to establish their own production. or is it a necessity to find a foreign supplier as soon as possible. these are definitely combinations of both. we produce and notice industries that are strategically important to us. these are products. it pharmacology. this is defense. this is industry, heavy nuclear energy, and so on, and with the help of colleagues from friendly countries, we notice that society is not so significant in order to be produced in russia aleksandrovich i believe that the products that are used directly by the population, which are critically important, it is necessary to learn how to produce independent quality

to be worthy, and those industries in which we have never been strong, or where we have passed, uh, a rather long technological path. eh better to build systemic relations with western or asian partners, in general, approximately. so, uh, first of all i'm going to break down the idea that we need to separate the flies from the cutlets, first of all , to determine where we need to, uh, establish production at almost even a large cost. and where we can provide quite cheaply, and cooperation there with the same india in the field of pharmacology and more or less, then we are the most really existing cravings - this sanctions must be understood, this cannot be avoided. we will pass, yanych know theoretically everything is possible do it yourself is engaged in primitive communal society. now, if you follow the path of primitivization

of the economy and consumption, such as eat, whatever they give, then you can do everything, but still, it’s probably better to make sure that russia remains a member of the international international division of labor of the international economic system. and here is what is required for this. this is the second question. and the situation of these hellish sanctions, first of all, it is necessary, uh, to really return to restore the logistics mail, which was not there, and then really think about what we can do ourselves, because this year we are talking about doing it, as i said we need both. i'd rather spend my time planting the three branches of the industry, which i think are the biggest problems. this is the automotive industry. this is transport. it's not a priority right now. it’s just that this transport is in a row, starting from airplanes and ending with our swifts and peregrine falcons there, which have big problems and the third. the most important is healthcare from medical equipment to pharmacology and veterinary is there, because there is a problem. started calling problematic yes, yes problem areas. i will name exactly without problem places. i recently

came across what is called a blind tasting of cheese. this is when you have a deputation of cheese tasting, you don’t know if they give you, you make some notes for yourself and so on. there were, as it turned out later, italian french and russian. it so happened that all 10 participants were not specialists, but ordinary consumers, like me, put russian in the first three places. how so it turned out well, i don't know. and then i’m talking about cutlets for a long time, the more long gone days of cafes in the caucasus, the waiter approaches the visitor, dear , you will still eat. i will be kharcho. okay, i'll have a lamb skewers. sounds great. i'll have greens, wonderful grapes and please, i'll have 100 g of cognac and a bottle of dry red krasavchik krasavchik has only tea carrot cutlets. why didn't you tell me right away? such beautiful things happened, they say it was

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