becoming clear andrey norkin my colleague ivan trushkin, we are working live, i propose to start with the results. here are the results of this yesterday's meeting between the president of ukraine plus the president of turkey plus the un secretary general. er, as such in my opinion. in general, not much, if we, of course, do not consider hmm, but the result of a preliminary agreement that the turks will restore something there in ukraine, as i once said beforehand - there were simply a lot of such pathetic expectations before beginning. even places the conduct of these negotiations was very pretentious was one of the lviv palaces. there, colleagues suggested that they once filmed the films d'artagnan and the three musketeers. if you remember there on the stairs, when he rises on a horse, that is, at the beginning this is the same palace where the musketeers train. well , of course, well, a beautiful palace, but this, as i understand it, the atmosphere of musketeer mutual assistance and mutual assistance. here is one for all. apparently, it wasn't there. well, look at them in a three-way format. steamed for 40 minutes. and what

can you make an appointment in 40 minutes? well, somehow i doubt it, in my opinion, they did not agree on anything. let's take a look at the final excerpts from the press conference. well then, let's start discussing. press conferences on the results of negotiations in the potocki palace in lvov and waited until late in the evening to cover it, about a hundred journalists gathered, the turkish press caught up with the excitement. on the eve of the meeting, turkish channels reported that erdogan would allegedly offer zelensky to organize a personal meeting with putin to launch roadmap for a peaceful settlement, but at the final press conference, zelensky was the first thing. refuted all intimations today mr. president erdogan said that this food initiatives provide a diplomatic window for agreements on a future end to the war between

ukraine and russia liberate our territories, and then, and then there will be then thank you very much. glory to ukraine journalists noted how irritated the ukrainian came out. the president twisted his face, nervously squeezed the podium and every now and then corrected the interpreters to translate into english his own answer for the un secretary general about the impossibility of peace, zelensky suddenly rushed. this caused laughter in the audience. what settlement can be discussed? first, they must leave our territory, but erdogan told reporters that all the participants in the meeting agreed that a peaceful settlement should be especially alarming for the turkish leader. the leader called the situation silent around the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, then who is to blame for the plant's austria, we expressed our concern. due to the fact that fears continue around the zaporizhzhya npp, we

do not want to survive a new chernobyl for his part , erdogan promised to facilitate the exchange of prisoners between russia and ukraine that erdogan did not demand any concessions from zelensky, it means that no one persuaded us to make concessions in favor of russia, if some kind of zrada flies, in social networks, i will immediately say that this did not happen. so, well, let's try now to share our impressions from the open part and assumptions about the closed part. here's what we didn't see, what could be going on there. victor well, look, as far as the open part is concerned, this is a topic. uh, grain exports. ah, related to the increase in grain exports and logistics, this was not certainly discussed, but everything seems to be there, as they decided, only they decided only there expansion of this project nothing happens. the egyptians refuse. first this ship with

corn. do you know where he came from? yes? as a result, syrian pepper, yes. well, the fact is that, uh, uh, the launch of a full-fledged project. well, after all, this is one of the dark ones being discussed, but i must say that on august 5, the rdk met with putin in sochi and it is obvious that something from this discussion was also discussed, and in lvir between erdogan and zelensky and what zelensky heard to him didn't like it very much. what could he have heard? i can hear that russia is not ready to make any concessions, that russia is not ready to capitulate. russia is not ready to agree to any conditions that put that the conditions that ukraine puts for russia are absolutely unpleasant. it was yesterday that he expected that now we are coming to dagan, and he tells the real thing. i've talked to putin. everything is warm and start they are ready to give up. now let's now we will arrange all this beautifully, and then he would come out cheerful to the press. you see, at that time no one expected of course, no one expected that russia would be

ready to accept essentially surrendering conditions that kiev puts forward, but the very existence of such an indirect negotiation process hints that certain topics for discussion are common and not only and not only the exchange of prisoners. you know, yes, not only could they be there, but on the contrary, some of ours. mm, their demands are there, i don’t know a commercial offer, let’s say to the ukrainian side, which is the turkish president. perhaps zelensky voiced such proposals could have attitude to e, and to what concerns the fate of the zaporozhye nuclear power plant and to what concerns the dpr and the lpr, that is, the recognition of the dpr and the lpr by ukraine is potential. well, that is, in any case, erdogan said something that he did not like. the russian side is not ready to go, firstly, do not jump, so take care of our furniture. well, we'll give you the floor. you yourself said yesterday or sometime after yesterday that you are a little staggering, because we are

jumping the whole program on it, well, absolutely, right, then, look, firstly, ah shortly before this meeting, turkish from the world spread information. putin asked the erdogans to facilitate this meeting. that is, putin agreed in advance, in fact, that, of course, the wording for russia is low. they wrote that erdogan would offer, uh, putin asked for a meeting there. okay, fine. so, of course, this didn’t happen to some mediators, of course , in fact, as viktor rightly said, and erdogan explained to zelensky the realities of what he would expect in negotiations with putin, which he did not will be, since moscow does not intend to negotiate with zelensky. he doesn't decide anything. he is not needed there as a negotiating partner, if we are talking about the open part of the event, here something else is important according to all the norms of diplomatic protocol, according to all the

norms of joint press conferences. it is impossible to engage in such squabbles with each other there, if there are squabbles of this kind. this means that the negotiations have not just failed. this means that the parties did not come at all. no compromise, they begin to try to tease each other, so to speak, and zelensky, this case is quite tough in relations with erdogan, when the turkish president sultan officially goes to try to mediate, and zelensky is at a joint press conference. speak negotiations with vask will not be conducted after negotiations with erdogan. this is very impolite. to put it mildly, zelensky got rid of i mean, in the last week, what manners there are no political what? well, no, this is normal behavior for zelensky. you evaluate this in the format of some kind of diplomatic etiquette. it it’s not about explaining how to behave with the turkish sultan, especially the sultan that zelensky really needs him to make people make him an idiot. he has people who are extreme

. ah, apparently, if we draw an analogy with the three musketeers, this is a principle, and one against all, the only question is, will after that we will manage all against one, you said something. i wanted to ask a rhetorical question, who could explain this to him, but it seems to me that this whole trip, which is for erdogan, that even for zelensky this is just a certain pr advertisement, why because erdogan has the only trump with which he can win elections and influence his own population, with inflation of more than 70%. this is an external political factor, he is an intermediary, he can meet with putin, or maybe with zelensky, and, moreover, he does not need humiliation, it doesn’t matter. this is not humiliation. it ’s the other way around, it’s the reaction of some politician who is there, that is, you do n’t convey any meaning of this meeting at all, not at all, why this the meeting took place, but erdogan arrived, he is a tough international-class politician who

meets with putin for changes. they could already persuade all the same to discuss, uh, some topic. here, the negotiations are hypothetical, but from my point of view, what they could discuss, this, in principle, does not require such a large-scale meeting. well , you also came, why? oh, this is it, i don’t know about the contract now. i know, i just prepared, but such a small district, yes, about the negotiations. the truth is especially for one for our permanent. a suspect and not quite a regular guest, boris borisovich, n. from the city of dolgoprudny present today today , the cities present today can be called, which just the day before i say that we need to immediately conduct negotiations, sit down to talk. i'll quote you now, mr. podlyak leader. let me remind you when, more precisely, this ukrainian negotiating delegation, when these negotiations are pancakes in general, i quote verbatim the negotiation process with the russian federation so far categorically it is impossible in syllables like those gory and do not

listen to the voices of the sirens sweetly, inviting us to the islands of eternal russian lies, and not because ukraine wants to fight no, but only because ukraine is obliged to fight for its own future. end of the world. boris does not follow from here that it is not necessary to stop the war from here is capable, and i will tell you now, which means first about erdogan's negotiations, if today it is turkish newspapers that are turkish. well, in general, this is the main event over the past 10 years that erdogan managed, there, in general, to build bridges between the control zelensky i'm not kidding. so it is written your new talents are opened in turkish. i read completely our patriotic telegram channels. quite our patriotic one will not advertise. he is patriotic what can you do if good telegram channels are very good. well, i don’t want to

repeat anything, a purely turkish word is further, nevertheless. thin, peace, better than a good quarrel. thank you lord that there is a man named erdogan who can meet between putin and zelensky so let's say it will continue putin me fingers negotiations can go on various issues go now negotiations on political regulation. lpr dpr is absolutely impossible, simply because each of the parties is trying to win on the battlefield, it doesn’t work that way, but to negotiate, including with ukraine, regarding the cessation of large-scale use. there weapons shelling from their side. donetsk with our whole ukraine there in general to lvov and exactly. yes, such negotiations can be conducted. i 'm sure your confidence will start soon. if the ukrainian side says that they are categorically not ready and must end sometime. understandably right. yes, they end 100 years, yes, either a

decisive victory of one of the parties, as the soviet union defeated nazi germany took berlin , hitler forced the israeli political conflict a second. yes, that's all. i do not see. here are absolutely no prospects, carefully, observing the course of hostilities in ukraine here. well , the last few months. here is such a victory not from our side. not so, especially with the ukrainian, or what? it's funny, but how the war is still at hand, when the warring countries, i realize the following, that the costs of about the continuation of the war. in a sense, the destruction of the national economy, the fall in the standard of living of a huge number of victims becomes, what is incommensurability is capitulation for us, they demand the return of all the territories that they consider to be the territories of ukraine, that is, they demand. they demand the withdrawal of russian troops. the first time i captured half the country, and then we

agreed. and the same first time, or something, where poland and finland were, remember the history we had a little bit, and then they moved right away captured. this is the story of the war in ukraine , most likely it will most likely end in exhaustion on both sides and understanding that there are problems in the russian economy and in our social sphere, what in the ukrainian one? measurable, of course, russia has a larger safety margin, but just in case, i say that for the first time, according to the reports of the ministry of finance for july, we have a budget, russian and with a surplus of which it was well-deficited for decades by almost a trillion additional surrender after the belarusian events. quiet. quiet. quietly, control yourself so that you understand, i understand, i just want to remind you how you passionately

proved to us after the belarusian events that lukashenka stayed there for several hours for several days, yes, that everyone would scatter putin to think, and now to the audience, and the quality of your analysis boris borisovich called boris and i can assume that the riots in belarus were generally provoked by putin in order to start a special operation in ukraine a year and a half later. i still think that the negotiations failed. to unfortunately for our friend erdogan, because he really could not prove anything. i remind you that the talks that it turns out he says, always outlined and explained everything. what they talked about, or rather, how they said that the real time of the negotiations was always reported. divide it by two, that is 20 minutes. they talked for 20 minutes. they just talked no, because for 20 minutes everyone talked, they talked for 20

minutes. no if you divide it into a translator yes they just erdogan just arrived and outlined what o what did they talk with putin, uh, a little bottle warmed up by the fire, as we can see, yes, he said about the need for peace. eh, coexistence, and that’s where it really ended, and erdogan didn’t get what he was waiting for, of course, he was waiting for some more adequate version. surprisingly. well, i don’t know what happened to him, that he also became so a little naive, but zelensky just completely broke away. in the end, of course, the turkish press talks about success, yes, we would like her to stay erdogan for a long time negotiator, because there are conflicts like the israeli palestinian. well, 70 years is, of course, not yet an endless war. but i think that it will last another 140 years, the same thing, and here you see, well, israeli 14. how long a special military operation will last, and not a war, nobody

knows it can be 202 for two years, so here i think. can we now sell the negotiator as erdogan? just wash by the fire. this is your expression of antonio guttyres. if we continue, then the analogy was not warmed by guterish, he sat sat left still frozen. why did he come there? in general, with one specific goal, in order to get some kind of guarantees at least some from zelensky about the zaporizhzhya npp, the iguts did not give him any guarantees. decide in person zelensky to say that if the zaporozhye power plant somehow does not come under the control of ukrainian forces, but in fact be in trouble. with the un secretary general, kiev prepared thoroughly, zaporozhye ukrainian troops conducted an exercise to eliminate the consequences of a possible disaster, and light, patronymic of the bad thoughts and democracy of the bbc corporation published a certain appeal of the nuclear power plant employees, possibly by the bbc itself, and it is written in it exactly as it used to be on the tooth. prayers to the world community began to prevent irreparable russia

must immediately, without any conditions, admit representatives of the rich to the station, also immediately and unconditionally. they must withdraw their troops. from this territory the world forces to achieve this. if not, this would mean that all agreements on nuclear and radiation security, you can throw in the trash half of the bronzer from ukraine in recent days fix the authorities. crimean social networks are replenished every minute with fakes, and the imminent offensive of the all-union, preparing the evacuation and even the flight of the leadership. the peninsula's republic authorities urged local residents to trust. does ukraine have an official source of weapons that can hit objects in the occupied area? nome to the us agreement on the legitimacy of such strikes e in the crimea with us. i think from the received stamp. we have agreements the united states that we will not use weapons provided to us by the united states and partners in

the russian federation, but if today we are talking about the occupation of the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine where the enemy is located, then, accordingly, we have no such restrictions, the american edition of the policy completely ran into the ukrainian leadership for empty talk about the counteroffensive of the armed forces against kherson in kiev justifies whether this was an information-psychological operation, of course. today all public comments are parts of a dog and we need to demoralize the russian army. they must understand that there will be a territory of fire , a territory of fire where they will be burned. this is the main thing. here it all starts with zaporizhzhya ending. eh, mr. psychic attack or in some of the directions, you can really expect something more than words. you know, ivan sergeevich, i was quite skeptical about you and i treat the mythology of fraternal peoples or a single people, but specifically these actions on the part of ukraine that do not want to make concessions, which

stands on its own and so on. they, in a sense, refute me, because indeed , one side of the russian and the other side of the ukrainian seem to act in the same way. in the sense that they are ready to raise the stakes. at least they pretend that they are ready to raise the stakes, including even around this very nuclear power plant. so in this sense, we probably understand this way. we alone say that, if anything, a second of a second. let's uh, follow the facts and the deeds. so, our military occupied the territory. uh, nuclear power plants practically. then for some reason i became. we practically protect it. you say we're raising the stakes. so you really want to say that we are shelling. zaporizhzhya i don't think so, so that the ukrainians say that if russia does not withdraw, then it is possible that we will shell the nuclear power plant or ukraine, most likely ukraine. do you have any doubts , what? well, i'm not myself, and now

everyone else is here again. do you mean to say that you mean it? that russian troops are shelling a nuclear facility where russian troops are stationed. let me repeat. i don't need to repeat the bullshit. excuse me for god's sake. and i would like to receive from you. i work at moscow university look, and i serve one side stanislav lighter. again. once again he says how we rise, the other side says, we will not move away, otherwise there will be problems. i want to hear your opinions. it’s just strange for me to hear this from an adequate adult, how i think a person is that a person know that russia shelling nuclear facilities are russian troops? we let the probability, let's say the probability of anything, we are the probability

that the russian troops. and this is where stanislav oleg is located . come on, i really do n't get it either. this is a-a reflection that both sides are to blame for the situation around this instance simply because we have no problems with this station is not necessary, because we already control. that is, we have already taken the step that does not require us to raise any rates. we want this station to remain in our hands. well, the ukrainians didn’t explode, they say, it’s completely different that we can go for something like this, and there we will knock out russian troops from there, knock out russian troops from there by armed means , this is huge. the problem is not only for turkey but also for europe and the negotiations

of these three people. actually from my point of view. excuse me, so, let them excuse me, understand me correctly, dear viewers. let them knock out russian troops from the territory of the zaporozhye nuclear power plant, they are shooting at the cooling system, so here we are talking about what the ukrainian side raises for the entire world community. so what are we going to do. this is true if you don't put pressure on russia. what can happen and the nuclear problem is worse than chernobyl. that is, this is a certain pressure on the world community. why did erdogan come there? and why this omsk official came not because there, for example, i think that no erdogan transmitted anything. from putin, no one wants to hear anything in kiev, which is transmitted from putin . i only think about this nuclear plant, but they said that this is a very problematic story and they asked the ukrainian side for sure to stop this kind of provocation, but

zelensky came out very dissatisfied. he would be very unhappy with the fact that some people really came not to bring him some other batch of weapons or some political support, but they told him that someone did not like it. they want and understand that the problem with this nuclear power plant can only be the result of an attack by the ukrainian side, there can be no problems in any other side. by the way, speaking sides. i've been telling you. i mentioned it yesterday. here's the infographic. look again, they said the ministry of defense. yes. in the same place, simply by the wind rose. well, when possessing the wind. here is the direction there, by the way, saying turkey is nothing there and here is here the zaporozhye nuclear power plant and everything goes to the north. west, that is, almost the entire territory of ukraine, further poland, germany, the czech republic and slovakia, that's it. ceilings are also a problem, not

that they will get into the reactor or there are glasses in which waste is stored, of course, these rockets or shells cannot be there, but break the ukrainian troops and it will be a really dirty bomb, a dirty bomb several dozen in diameter there. of course, this is a huge problem. and about sentences and spacers, the black sea hits very well boris thank you ladies, it’s better not to get involved in politics at all. yes this is not your area here, but can the fsb officer be burned , and what does the fsb have to do with it, just in case, you ask, you want to say, well, are the fsb officers or what? am i a vacuum? no, well, here, wait, well, mikhail borisovich said he asked you specifically. boris tells you directly physics, mathematician. we all know that you are a physicist and mathematician, and you, instead of relaxing. and you are a fsbshnaya muzzle, where are you climbing, can you hear me? not? i am a lawyer, it is very

good there that not the son of a lawyer. fsb now what did you want to say, you wanted to insult him pin up specialties can be politics. you can prove that well then why are you wasting my time, although it was funny alexander so everything is quiet. come on, please, i absolutely can't go into it. e in the technical subtleties of what will happen in the case you can analyze. yes, but why does it seem to me that i'm standing with him? here she is babahnet, what shall we say? so? and here, well, the results are again predictable, since i am only the son of a man who worked in the field of atomic energy. so as far as negotiations are concerned here colleagues have said everything, but it seems to me that these are the negotiations. these are the last number of attempts the

last number, but by attempts constantly this tradition began macron, partly germany began. so, when the pots are boiling, from time to time some people come up to open this cover of the suit and look at how much it has boiled. and they say, there in the pan. you are not going there yourself ; your spouse has never cooked, probably, this is what she does. one must not just lift the lid to talk into the pot is pointless. need something there to get in the way, maybe to drain the water or remove the foam, action is needed, you understand, it’s not just a conversation that, well, it’s still, yes, not quite a saucepan. uh, macron started it. now, uh, erdogan is doing this, because being, uh, the initiator of the dialogue, so to speak, is very prestigious, but what is the most interesting thing? i'm not from anyone there is no one person. uh, i haven't heard, uh, changing thesis about how

it could possibly end. from my point of view, this cannot end today, i ca n’t even imagine how why what in fact, you are here at a dead end in such a way it comes to me it is quite obvious that there are always, well, as if there are two options, three options, one side wins, the other side wins, or some kind of there is, i don’t know, the truce diverges without result. all option none of the three options. i don't see it right now. uh-huh zaporozhye remind on this tripartite so-called. at the summit an agreement was reached. yes, according to which but ersh sends a mission to the mte, and to the zaporozhye nuclear power plant but from zelensky it was noted separately with him agreed through the territory of ukraine pole. what difference does it make, rural because he is not ready to guarantee security, as soon as they cross the line of demarcation. no. there is a question

not even in the transition of the zelensky line against the very fact of lenin's transition, because the visit of the magathen to the territory controlled by the russian federation will mean a certain theme of this control. to one degree or another, at least, the husband so show the question or how it will be done, that is, purely theoretically. how do i present it the only option. this means rowing in boats, the rich through the dnieper to zaporozhye. npp in any other scenario, this visit becomes technically impossible. andrey, an example, landed with a parachute. and in any other scenario. god sometimes speak. thanks a lot. i understood, they said, i mean the ukrainians, what does u mean, why is it safe only when the russian troops leave from there. that's when the safe ones come. yes, there was. zelensky's wording was that the visit should take place through the ukrainian territory. yes, a low visit tomorrow by a delegation or

iaea inspectors does not actually legitimize anything abs employees, i was on the territory of the dpr lpr. over the years. it's not like that. and what kind of history of the clamp was not legitimized from the point of view of western countries from the point of view of the un, what happened in the dpr. therefore, this is a problem in itself, that it legitimizes something or someone or somewhere, it is sucked from the finger, in including by the ukrainian authorities, if ukraine gives the go-ahead for inspectors to visit rich zaporozhye nuclear power plant through the territory of ukraine, that is, through kiev, it will have to ensure safe passage from the territory that is currently under the control of ukraine under the control of kiev to the territory that is currently under the control of the russian federation, therefore, and, of course, representatives the un with the iaea representatives are well aware of this . could it be that the ukrainian side will try to organize some kind of provocation against

the iaea employees, even the inspector macadam, undoubtedly. it's possible. could it be that during the visit of the inspector to the nagotena zaporozhye nuclear power plant, the ukrainian side will take any action, uh, that can ah-ah, to somehow show the picture of what they see there, like somehow- then it can be modified by its own actions from the outside yes, from the territory of ukraine, is it possible for sure. perhaps there are a lot of difficulties and difficulties associated, all the same, yes. let's take a break now . so far, it's probably better talk about what happened. here, excuse me, i will quote this gentleman far away. this is all some kind of informational psychological special operation. this is similar to this topic, we will continue. an agreement a few minutes later what

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where everything becomes clear. we continue. here, with regard to these ukrainian informational psychological special operations, they say, of course, they got their hands on all this and, uh, not only this one. well, here's the figure. yes, that is, as a kind of organization that should officially deal with with such work on the instructions of the state authorities of ukraine , it is very similar to the fact that all this has already gone to the masses. that is, there, uh, ukrainian citizens. they work on their own initiative. here. uh, well, there 's a strain about dancing on the bones. well, there is no other way to call it. unless of course, someone will have a synonym would be glad to hear it. show us the plot, please, a hit on ukrainian social networks.

this week was the find of kyiv confectioners. they started baking cupcakes with pictures of mothers and widows of russian soldiers who died in ukraine in a matter of days. offer them interested in the highest five thousand ukrainians, unhealthy hype fueled by the promises of sellers to provide cupcakes, delicious toppings and stylish packaging and wholesalers. in them, from five pieces, they trample on the bones with relish and in ukrainian restaurants in the menu of individual establishments they find either fried muscovites or buckwheat in the style of wehrmacht everyday life a couple of years ago veterans. ato, we set up the production of canned food, all the port in sour cream in one of the gymnasiums of nikolaev in 2014 held a sweet in support of the all-union fair, schoolchildren traded tanki biscuits to moscow and fruit drinks made from the blood of russian babies. who came up with the name of their name, which is here yes, yes, but we are from our thought with our class teacher. well, it's

patriotic fun that people will like and want to buy. yes, whoever called everyone really liked it, do not mind trying russians. ukrainian bloggers are no longer figuratively, but physically , in april, local degenerates. under the pseudonym of professor farga, he gave a hellish performance to the camera. made myself a dinner out of supposedly of the human remains found in a tank destroyed near gostomel, the fact that the tank seemed to be ukrainian, and not russian, was later explained to the blogger in the comments. i know how it sounds, but agree. i will be the first person to try a russian soldier in this war, not a bad achievement. it seems to me, yes, it is strange, but why not. imagine that i did something bad or wrong supports sick

manners, ukrainians and the west fee to post a message to the russians on rockets vsu death wishes and hello. and nato has already brought authors more than 150,000 dollars to monetize the long-standing practice of exchanging messages on missiles has been very successful 95% of the messages are in english, and most of the orders such as with love from nato come from the usa there are those who take the opportunity to wish someone a happy birthday or a promotion. so you could comment on this . it's not, it's not an obligation some is not really. i think this is really self-development. this is absolutely. here is a purely ukrainian invention. and for some reason it seems to them that they are europeans, in fact, they are such a typical asian to eat. we have

it well, or to something like cannibalism from some kind of sharpened such. here, and here we see this beautifully in some of the most wild tribes who believe that if they eat the enemy uh-huh, otherwise they will take over from him some kind of power, and thus they will be inspired to new victories, to a certain extent, this is such non-paganism, which unfortunately in ukraine there are huge splits within orthodoxy, a huge number of sectarians, a huge number of some strange teachings. eh, so wild. here's the opposite situation. do you think it's reversible? yes, you know, this is reversible only in e. in the real world of the russian world, in the real world of the ukrainian idea, this will degrade. here in the direction of some dumplings. uh, with the hearts of the dead russian soldiers there, i don’t know what else can come to mind. maybe it's in

in general, the thing is one that will only grow, because there is a feeling that there is no victory. yeah , it should feed the population then with some kind of such delights, somehow support. after all , they understand that it is patriotic. well, yes, the enemy of war says all the time that there is no fog, which is present in different people in different countries and, unfortunately, in the context. and the warrior in the context of conflicts, of course, it is intensifying and those people who may have been in peacetime and now you have some day today, like some kind of dualism about different countries. give ukraine for example. here in russia give similar examples. an example of what is similar to the sky. wait as far as there is, uh, cannibalism against ukrainians, as it were. yes, i read it in some telegram channels all the time,

what do they need there? they eat to destroy and the like on camera, as for, as for this young man, it’s clear that in a peaceful life of a peaceful life, either about this, about this, or about this, it’s such a figurative, like such cannibalism, as we said yes, including ukraine in social networks. i haven't seen this. this is news to me, what is it? we have such-and-such that's right, the danger, no one knows where it comes from. and what happened? why is this young man here, before the current events, that is, some events are pushing people who are so inadequate, because they are university teachers. you know how to somehow look at things higher. for example, even before february 24, there is a cult of famine. well, ukraine, yes, although we all know that there were goals, well, in almost half of the soviet union, in principle, zero famine. he is, only

there are some kind of bones, as soon as the ukrainian one. oleg stanislav, the victim of the police, what a sacrifice and yes, we are talking about interpretations of course, in russia they believe that we have the only correct interpretation of what happened in the thirty-second thirty-third year. yes. they have an interpretation of a completely different concept. a huge number of people died in various territories of the soviet union in ukraine, they believe that they were exactly that. they are it was specially arranged in order to kill ukraine, this is a position, more or less official position of ukrainian schoolchildren. about this, i can say that this cult of death is, in principle , characteristic of the idea of ​​ukrainian nationalism. he is far from new, far from the first. and in general, all ukrainian nationalism. it is saturated with several things. firstly, this is mysticism, to a certain extent, there is an appeal to the spirit of the knights, there and so on, and the second is hatred, hatred specifically for

muscovites. well, then there are other nations. there it is hungarians, poles, jews and so on, when in poland in 43 they killed babies with blows. are you talking about the corner of the house? it's about the same as here and these people. by the way, i am also sure that they will justify these volyn massacres and that's it. the rest is an integral part of the ideology of those ideas that have now been introduced into the heads of ukrainians, including the younger generation, so it seems completely normal for them to call the drink there the blood of muscovites, or what else to do? e baby doll to cut it into pieces, but it's in some to a degree, this part is also an integral part of the western mentality in the west, they also consider themselves to be people, and everyone else is not people. i remember how they cut the cake, for example, with the image of iraq , they also ate like this, and so on. the fact that a million people died in iraq is also for no one. basically, yes. i remember i participated there at novodrskaya. it doesn't matter, they consider themselves westerners. okay, valery is superfluous. leave well, but in any case, those slogans that were i i words

of the nation the death of the enemy, killed the enemy. those behind the 10 commandments ukrainian nationalist. even if you have a magazine, ukrainian hut 1910. you are a muscovite wife or or a son to drag this muscovite. you have to renounce them or even kill them - all this is an integral part of this bestial ideology for me, defining. here in confirmation of the word, by the way , it is tarred, which is on one of the posters during the demonstration of ukrainian nationalists. in kiev, they walked with a poster, which was right there and it was written nationalism. our religion. bandera is our prophet. it's a quasi-religion a quasi-religion where in the center stands not god, not bogomet, nor christ of thread. there stands the idea of ​​a nation, for the sake of which these people are ready to kill, for the sake of which these people even go. this is how it is now, in part, in part, it reminds you of the case in syria when they were killed there. uh, they cut out a dead soldier's heart or lung or when they cut off his head, it wasn't there. here we also had the trunk of a schoolgirl, they are still hardly about the prophet of religion. this is no, they are,

of course, not about the prophet, not proplegia, but all these ideas will wait in the media in magazines in culture. everywhere everything, it's the same, it also affects what stitches. actually. this is the cult of trauma, the cult of sacrifice. yes, yes, but in fact , everything is much wider here. let's hear a couple of thoughts. what we noticed back in the fourteenth year, huh? noticed? i just say necrophilia guys, and this was still evident when yushchenko built this monument to the holodomor next to the stele, the tomb of the unknown soldier. that is, uh, simply ignoring this victory of the synthropological point of view, the religion of kiev mode. one can define how the cult of death is the veneration of decay, the decomposition of the decay of carrion and

corpses, here their heavenly hundred while offering up historical defeats and defeatists of death, which is either already or not yet, but is about to be still alive in this console, the azov people have already been sacrificed for the future legend, ancestor worship is an important part of any folk tradition, however, healthy people have a bright kind ancestor cult, ukraine is probably the only case in the modern world when an entire country was in power on its pagan destructive cult. igor vladimirovich it turns out that the more victims, the more adherents of the cult, if we think so, we spray it, because in the mind of an ordinary person, the more victims. you see, if the more horror grips you, the more you want to stop all this. here, on the contrary, the more victims, the more dispersed quite right, when they talk about paganism, yes, that is, indeed, this is a tradition that, in the subcortex of this part of the russian world, is still not redeem from where? how could she listen to one, as i understand myself, consider themselves such, uh, vikings over

time, but where does it come from in our era of part of the population people are unfortunate people who ended up on the outskirts of civilization? yes, on this historical break between them, it was happening there, madness constantly went through them, first one, then the other, they were constantly in this constant choice, and by and large, in theory, they did not accept christianity. well, let's honor the same goblin, but is christianity this is my position. i am mine position. i believe that now they have accepted. the very approach to be archaic is archaic archaic traditions that are in this rural nation. well , it's lucky that you stick an uh stick. it begins to bloom and, accordingly, these archaic and preserved in the village, you know, the guys did not happen. well, perhaps urbanization did not happen in

a large part of the territory, there was no progress, and they are constantly returning to those ancient traditions that were therefore not christianity. this is not catholicism. this is not orthodoxy. it's really special neo-pagan traditions or pagan traditions, which for ukrainians have always been strong hence the anthem. sorry, yes. well, this is the polish bone of the polish , and boris borisovich and paganism. yes, i want to remind you, dear comrades, that in the very heart of our motherland, on red square, a corpse has been on display for years. thank you and follow him for this. the mausoleum is people by name, stalin there, khrushchev and so on, that once again i want to save the remnants of your authority. khrushchev lies on novodevichy. yes, yes, they are on the kremlin wall in boris, what's the difference? you never know petrov in brazil

but i am the most expert brezhnev brezhnev exactly lies there. yes? i remember well. i just wanted to say to the fact that we are also a pagan in any big country. you can find a lot of typical, well, just repeating the question, these are examples in our country of cupcakes. you are doing. here are those who. here it all shows. this is discussing a very bad business. you take obvious bastards, obviously bastards. to conclude that a whole nation of pagans there is some kind of demonstrative cult that puts a language on ukrainian culture in general, what are you doing, the war will end , you understand, and these 40 million people live there, and our 150 will still be there. we're not going anywhere

, yes, and ukrainian songs. yes, it will have to be beautiful and it connects us, by the way, they have been interacting for hundreds of years, no one here is going to offend and does not offend the ukrainian population. in my face, adequate people do not offend here, the matter is different. it's not about paganism, it's not about religion, and so on. here the technology in russia is what i'm talking about. well, i said about it that this technology here, because we have a self-sufficient state of technology. we do not build our state against another. but we are developing on our own, ukrainian statehood was created, as anti- russia spoke about it many times initially, if you create a ukrainian national state from ukraine, closely integrated with the russians of the ukrainian population, so that this state does not mentally merge into russia in all other senses

ukrainian elites are beginning to purposefully humanize the russians and position the ukrainians. as anti-russian precisely, therefore, since it has not been since the fourteenth year for a long time. the surprise started much earlier, these things about a person grow where the soil is exactly, because try it is another question to roll out such a technology to our earth. let's be, because at the very beginning we create on this. let's have another victor zhezovchik, if we have time, well, here uh, the british know paganism, by no means pagans and they collected sea skulls, and the americans brought american soldiers from asia skulls. uh, representatives of those peoples who, and this is not paganism. it's uh, you know the war hardens the war hardens all sides in ukraine as well. there is a mass mobilization going on. we do not have

this mobilization yet. one way or another, they showed girls from nikolaev in 2004. yes, in the fact that radical ukrainian nationalism really prevails in ukraine, as such an ideology is not bandera's. one of the versions of non -bandera ideology, and within the framework of this, of course, is associated with a certain interpretation of the holodomor. there, they say occupation that they were colonies and so on. it's all part of this radical ukraine practically staying with us at the time i understand you short break. we will continue this. finally, after so many years, a real enemy, alexander ustyugov, appeared to me, you know? that's right,

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to speak russian in everyday life. about it right now. ah, this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we continue the theme of the previous hour in boris nadezhdin stanislav byshov left. well, we had such an agreement, uh, maybe. uh, maybe we didn't agree with them, but on the other hand. i think it's probably agreed. this is where the point should have been made . well, because obviously it was an attempt to justify. uh, what's the excuse, well just not possible at all. well, a person sets a goal for himself. that's it, i'll justify anything, including these abominations that we showed there for a few minutes. and so let's now continue a little bit with other guests. here is the conversation anyway. we are somehow different. why is this what

vladimir vladimirovich said about the subcortex or do we not differ? look, in ukraine they have just announced that they will start the new academic year with new textbooks in schools. i'm talking about schools, there will be. now i am you i will say. stories about the difference between russians and ukrainians, how this new mentality will be introduced into the minds of students, is not yet very clear, because no one has seen these new textbooks themselves, but we can rely on those explanation trends that already exist . what does it mean, what is the intention? since they want to do in education to fight soviet history and eradicate stereotypes about ukraine in cinema or literature, the kiev authorities do not like the classic image of ukrainians such a friendly ukrainian, a fat and stupid villager with a funny last name. completely political lovers of dumplings without a firm character and convictions call the film of the fifties in the steppes of ukraine

sociologists can also flourish life as an example of anti-ukrainian propaganda. however, they argue that the factors of settled life and attachment to fertile land really turned ukrainians into cautious and closed people obsessed with their own economy. historians neatly call this ukrainian individualism. there is such an expression my hut is on the edge and it is supposedly characterizes ukrainians. in fact, this is a myth that has nothing. in common with reality with the authorities, the ukrainians say experts have an eternal dispute, unlike the russians. they like to blame the officials for all the problems that disturb their life and peace for the ukrainians, the concept of the master is a balm for wounds, but not a dictator or a manager, but a housewife and an economic man who will put things in order on earth will set aside everyone. who interferes and will create separately

taken paradise on his own land, again, neither the king, but the peasant in the garden for the ukrainian is not a pretty image the leader of the desire of all ukrainians to oppose themselves to the russians. always faced the harsh reality. even historians cannot distinguish how the inhabitants of the russian south differ from the ukrainian east in everyday terms, the difference in their mentality and languages ​​is difficult to grasp only after the formation of the soviet union, ukrainians were endowed. what are the purely ukrainian features of the bolsheviks? this means that they abandoned the legacy of russian nationalism, that is, the idea of ​​​​three single russian nations, they recognized the only possibility of identity in this territory ukrainian identity and all further censuses were carried out this is how i listened to myself and argued with myself, but because, well,

let's say a resident of the krasnodar territory there and a resident there, i don't know. well, in the zaporizhia region of ukraine, maybe it really is somehow similar. well, listen, well, when i served in the army and the inhabitants of the zhytomyr region simply did not understand what the inhabitants of ivano-frankivsk were saying, they did not understand the language, that is, this is vladimir sergeevich, we are still different or not different. here you can have some. hell spend separating us as somehow different. what is the difference? well, i'll answer for starters for starters anecdote what is the difference between russians and ukrainians ? here, in fact, uh, this is the biggest difference that was when no one was pedaling for the difference. nobody set up ukraine for you and i will say a terrible

thing right away. z. well, i have a lot of jewish blood in me, but i really like lard. i wouldn’t, i didn’t take bacon as a product at all nutrition. and how does e relate to the world of contemplation of moscow, which is the center of an allegedly hostile and unfriendly civilization. here we will write it with a small one well. but we will write our own ukrainian narko fat with a big one, and this is not. it is always a symbol - it has always been or not. uh, whenever when the ukrainians did not set on the russians and did not say they did not build ukraine on the territory of ukraine as anti-russia, it was more of a joke. there was more humor here when, ah, the two peoples moved into the register of war and enmity. wait wait it is. and at i don't remember us from the previous part, someone here, for some reason, gogol was remembered. and igor vladimir yes , that means we take it. evenings on a farm just open the first sorochinskaya fair, who is

the main enemy, two ukrainians live and muscovites are liquid, because it means that he contains taverns and solders, but muscovites. he lives even worse simply, because he lives worse, no one then built any anti-russia there. it seems to be somehow. eh, originally? i don't know, because nikolaevich is sitting and nodding, it was nothing. uh now alexander uh fans, dynamo kiev dynamo moscow nothing more, well, i don't know there can be a lot of things to anyone, but anyway. and here’s what i would single out, first of all, of course, ukrainians as a whole are completely uncharacteristic of any form of community collectivism and what in russia is called uh hmm catholicity, that is, my hut from the edge. you here, actually name. they don't

understand it at all. here. yes, it is clear what was said here in the garden of the gentry chaven voivode. this applies to ukrainians in full, and the second point that catches the eye. these are completely different relationships. e to the land and to the people and it combines to unite, but in that the ukrainians are absolutely deprived. no imperial ambitions whatsoever. they don’t understand the idea of ​​territorial expansion, and what’s more, we now see that none of the ukrainian politicians has ever remembered those millions of ethnic ukrainians who now live in russia, there was no such factor at all. here i am just those who live. and yet, it means, uh, ukrainians it is incomprehensible how a huge land holding can

not be cultivated and be in a neglected state, at the same time it is incomprehensible to him, but completely different people. there, relatively speaking, the people of donetsk and the people of lvov i understand. but sorry , people of the east of ukraine and our people of the rostov region of the krasnodar region of the kuban. these are different people. this is as soon as you cross the border. there the toggle switch flips and opens on everything that you just said it is within the framework of the political, otherwise the southern regions of russia are much closer to ukraine than to russia itself, and what we see often, and we see this in the donbass, we see this in the south. this is what was called at one time by the now forgotten term red belt. they were all adherents in one way or another. e of the soviet way of life and the

soviet mentality. you put a minus. could you have said that yes yura is close to russia, on the contrary, when it means, it's just that on the other side, too, the same russian people are more or less they are russian people. in the beginning, i will express my opinion from my point of view of the fundamental differences between russians and those. who is called the ukrainians there is no difference between the ukrainians themselves, the inhabitants of ukraine, the difference is very large among the inhabitants of different regions in everything in mentality, in culture, in religious affiliation. yes, he can, secondly, what does the ukrainians mean, not the imperial people. you are history. you study like history in our history there were a lot of people in the current terminology of ukrainians who occupied almost second third places in the empire and expanded this empire fought for this empire built this empire built a culture and how can they not be considered an imperial people, what about? may i finish, with regard to people who, no matter how they do not strive for the expansion of ukraine as an empire, nationalists are constantly striving. there are maps of ukraine as early as the beginning of the

twentieth century, where all the border regions of the kuban are included there for the time being, there is a slogan showing that ukraine is, the view of the carpathian gir already in the caucasus there are plans to include, even gray and green there. lina and so on. these are also attempts to build their empire; they have territorial expansion. and as for the people who live here, i just represent the federal national cultural car of the ukrainians of russia. yes, we have a certain originality. we love ukrainian songs. we can dress more like songs and georgian ones, well, under a glass of this, everyone will start singing ukrainian songs, but at the same time we are people with that same imperial russian cultural consciousness. here we'll be back. here zelensky said there, this is a myth. uh-huh about my hut from the edge. well, where did you get this saying from, and i cited, for example , another saying, where a crest passed the jews there, there is nothing to do. why is it popular everywhere and in ukraine, yes, and in israel it came from somewhere from there that ukraine is a more rural, more agrarian territory, donbass was included to

compensate for the workers. let's play. yes, i actually really got tired of the question yesterday. yes, yes, here it is, uh, i found the difference between russian ukrainians ahata from the edge. where uh took, therefore, due to the fact that western ukraine was, then under one, then under the second, then third, then, therefore, austria-hungary, poplars, then russia, they realized that there was no need to interfere anywhere, so to speak, and it is necessary to go with the flow and be with those who are now in power. that's where it comes from, at least it is substantiated in ukrainian sources. yesterday i also looked at ukrainian philosophers. they are some oriental people. here putin loves, uh, bring this eastern wisdom, when tigers fight, then the wise monkey sits on a tree and there is no hand in jelly in ukrainian proverb. this is the actual

reflection. this is the only thing that means, after all, we have no units from this saying. it 's still a little different. the story is probably different, but we are now so deeply, so to speak, immersed in history. i really love these conversations. it's cool, theme and so on. but we , so to speak, uh, always judge, firstly by last name. yes, there is a difference between off ev and enka, for example, when we drove up to the studio today, and a row opposite the ostankino pavilion was hanging uh, poster. uh, the hero of glory to the heroes, and there hangs the face of a guy, uh, our guy, whose name is vladimir kozarenko, completely lieutenant vladimir kozenko, when shari publishes the lists of hmm prisoners, and he publishes the lists of prisoners. there's just well 40-50%, what to do? what is the conclusion? i mean that we are one people, how would we say, now we are not looking for difference and so on. but when we start looking, we will definitely find the differences, that is, then the question arises. why

are we looking for them and what is our goal? and differences or find some kind of unity no, yes, i'm trying to understand, here, well, they saw the previous part, yes, parts here, i 'm trying to understand this explain. this is what it is, maybe if the schedule and geography do not know the place of residence. yes, i also think that when we talk about them or what we talk about them about ukrainians , russians. they talk about us. this is true. we one people agree, but let's talk about what well the question was asked. how we differ from them understand what it is about. uh, i'll tell you how we differ from them russians differ from ukrainians. the first is that russians have a sense of belonging to wholes. they understand. and what does it mean to be an element of the order of the whole, you understand that if you are an element of the order of the whole, then you have to pay for it, that is, give something to the whole, but what

follows from this. for russians, this leads to this feeling of this belonging. uh, moving something. i am from the center, that is, the russians are, in principle, people today, uh, to one degree or another , i am displaced from the center, but what about the ukrainians, but here is another story. excuse me, but here it is. uh, a person who is centered with strive. uh, here, uh, to. something to me to the hut. you can say a hut, i'm around, whom they revolve, what follows from this, and from this it follows that there are no russian russians. no what the hell, they are downright stuffy. well, straight soul straight why because they don't have a second plan. well, i understand, but ukrainians are centered, they revolve around their own i, this is what they call a hut, and because of this, it follows

like this. the second plan is the ukrainian - this is not to say that he is cunning, well, somehow there are soft in literature words with cunning cunning. that is, according to the first plan, you will never be able to tell me that this is called smart-ass. so i understand that you can’t, does this mean fedor ivanovich is what alexander nikolayevich always says, the ukrainian e will promise you, and then nothing is all that you want to hear. he will tell you, and then they did that now that a different type of leader, a ruler, a leader, suits us here, you can call it differently, that this ukrainian, whom you described, suits him like this. well, good-natured host conditionally there conditional. kuchma, for example, is needed. well, i 'm trying in modern, and a slightly different ruler suits us. you know, that's what i said.

this is the so-called second plan, well, which is more developed in him, and we are not the first one, we cannot judge that it is hidden there, and so it is. i think that here, uh, the rule works. eh, if you are an element of the whole, this whole must give you something. something gave you here someone here says. yes, they were there in austria , then something in the veins, what are they there? you like it though the stormtroopers need it to give something, that is, this young man is talking. in my opinion, the fundamental difference between ukrainians and russians in this sense is that this country is centered. this first would be just no one gives anything eugene i 'll try to say. i listen to these questions, probably for about 30 years and have been doing. i have a long story here. e issues related to the ukrainian formation of the ukrainian post-soviet

identity. so. i want to say 10 years ago to the question of whether these are questions questions parallel in lvov, donetsk, the first were held in kirovograd, kiev, somewhere else. well, a lot of national studies have been done. so, to the question of what is more common or different between russian ukrainians, then even the majority of citizens. western ukraine they believed that more in common than divisive just to be clear. if there is a common idea in the country, it doesn't matter what language you speak, all these differences. we were still starting to look for a plug weighing from the end of the soviet union. sorry for the slander, it starts with when we tried the difference. uh, when we start looking for the difference, when we want to find the differences, we found them, but the country and the ethnicity, let's say what they call ukrainians. that is, you want to say that this is all e, brought unconditionally. i believe a feature that works is a feature that works for the common good. it cements

various ethnic groups, cultures and so on. what we find, even common to others, is disconnected. i will say more, pre-war polls. once again they talked about the fact that before the age of 14, 2/3 of the citizens of ukraine believed that they have close relatives, friends and acquaintances among russians closer to the deaf ethnic groups than russians ukrainians we this characteristic did not exist. in marriage, they were not considered interethnic , the question of the tenth of the eleventh years said that when asked whether you consider russians to be a national minority, the majority of citizens of ukraine gave this answer in the negative, i’m just translating empirical data for you. this elephant walked for a long time, walked tediously. that's because we were pushing ourselves out. we were looking for these differences ourselves. we are with smart views with they talked smartly about what distinguishes us, what does not. i will not say in moscow we would like to live together. we would have enough energy resources to get along, but if even the two closest peoples

were separated, and we are in a state of war. so someone needs it. someone needs it. it concerns, first of all, the post-soviet elites in ukraine and partly in russia, and in fact the essence of this problem. i'm not with uh . and i 've heard some studio colleagues, and even more so some of my colleagues outside the studio, they are actually engaged in the denial of ukrainianism. why not, such a separate self of ukrainian identity ukrainians are part of a large russian ethnic group there. yes, from a purely cultural point of view, it used to be like that, but, firstly, uh, over these 8 years. there is a lot that has been formed from the point of view of selfhood, but even this is not the main thing, but the main thing, the fact that now, after the end of the words, we will face the most important task, which will be even more difficult than the word, namely integrate these people into russian society. and

if at the ideological level we deny the ukrainian ethnic identity, then there will be no integration, because i see what is happening in kherson zaporozhye, everything is fine. this is a slightly specific region. we are not limited by the name. true, we will leave other regions. i'm not sure if we need to do something there , is it housing or is it necessary there, please, here, if we're on it. this is to admit the fact is an obvious fact for me, yes millions of people that the concept of russian carries not an ethnic characteristic, but a cultural and ideological one, and in this case ukrainians. as you can see, how ethnos is an ethnic cover. it will be a part of the big russian people. but this should be a state ideology, and so that we just have individual geologists who are actively prohibited from this ideology, just ivan sergeevich recalled leonid danilovich kuchmov, in addition to his

book called very specific ukraine is not russia, that is, to prove that it is not russia here, and he has a wonderful phrase that he said at a meeting with students. ukraine we already have now remains to create ukrainian ukrainians as a national community. no ethnically. we are the only georg, we are not ethnically separated by anything at the anthropological genetic level, and on everyone else we can just as well say that there are sibiryakovs, it’s us there, i don’t know pomors, and the rest of them, too, should then grow into nations and separate states. logically, no. in some places , think so, why did the lord finish here eugene said that there were only polls there at the beginning the nineties, probably, there would have been the same thing there and so on, but the question lies precisely in the fact that they shared this unity. here consciousness of people was divided, certain political ideas. uh-huh it's not ethnic differences it's political. and then you can apply in ethnic, because we will continue politically. it's the same process. he uh

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17:50 on ntv place, we continue to dwell on the words that russian ukrainians are one a people divided by different political values. here we are now, let's start from this, because new values ​​in kiev are now beginning to come up with. well, or to borrow quite a lot in europe, there is already talk of the legalization of drugs, the permission of marriage of all stripes, the free possession of weapons. well, the last advanced. the asset, again, on the pencil of mr. zelensky is the legalization of the porn industry in july , a petition appeared on the website of the ukrainian president calling for the legalization of the porn industry in the country, according to her according to the authors, the ban on porn harms the economy, human rights and promotes corruption, in a month of appeal it did not get the necessary 25,000 votes. so in the near future it will be considered by zelensky to a

civilized state, and not sit at the level of third world countries forbidding women to wear short skirts or undress on the beach, especially now, when many have lost their jobs, and this is an ideal chance to bring money to ukrainian budgets when eu membership loomed before kiev dramatically. moved forward questions that before for some reason, they could not decide for years for the sake of trying to pass laws, and the legalization of drugs and the free possession of weapons. and the government is now concerned about the rights of lgbt international observers note that zelensky is doing his best to pretend that ukraine is ready to quickly change to western standards, but does it fit in with the desires of the population? ukraine simply puts a tick. this is a bad idea, the problem is connected with the unpreparedness of society for such drastic changes in such a short time. some solutions continue encounter opposition from certain

segments of the population. for example, the istanbul convention does not understand the word gender, which is used in it by many ukrainians. the european union is well aware. what is the place of european values ​​in the life of ukrainians? sociologists from the german ebert foundation were horrified when they found out that residents of the square treat criminals better than gays on the scale of ukrainian values. at the first place. family, work on the second social protection of the state and only last. they are think about democracy, freedom of speech and equality. the level of tolerance towards the lgbt community is the lowest in ukrainian society, two out of five ukrainians 39% are categorically against sexual minorities for comparison. the attitudes of respondents towards people who have committed criminal offenses are slightly higher, in particular 36% said they were ready to accept them as citizens of their country. mikhail borisovich here. this is accelerated europeanization. it is generally possible and if possible, how it can

end, but you will find out on this territories have already tried several times, and to europeanize the population. yes, we remember very well the consequences of the fucking brest and the attempt to reformat the religious consciousness in the seventeenth century, and the attempt to remake them into some kind of secondary polish population in the seventeenth eighteenth century, that is, unfortunately, this is the population, it really is. a very provincial problem. after all, in what, having fallen under foreign political influence, they cut off the top layer of almost this, and few of the russian nobility did not destroy it, or it converted to catholicism and proceeding from this is very manipulative. maybe these people. e, what is called as if to change their consciousness. at first they were made uniates, then they were made, and then they were made about poles,

then they were made soviet, then ukrainian. now they're on their way again and that's it. it's all under the sign of the one you were a few minutes ago. well, in the last hour they talked about the fact that but this is all some kind of neo-paganism. here it is, here they are, they became sectarians, you called them. and then i said that here they are, maybe i themselves some modern vikings. well, how then can this be combined with this, yes, that is, how can you be a viking, and, uh, the enemy can be devoured by the vikings there. only a very small amount is good, which is specifically professed by this ukrainian nationalism, where there is a division of the nation into baldheads and sancho. but these are brought in, and since they don’t land in europe at the same time, you say that it’s manipulative. that is, this is pressing this is not. no, i don't think they do. it's simple. well, how would such a consequence of the pluralism of consciousness,

in fact. there are a huge number of different european performances. europeans are gay. europeans are viking europeans - it’s some kind of i don’t know demag glad, there, uh, there are europeans who love america and want to become a pole from ukrainians to repeat just polish identity, that is, such a different idea of ​​​​europe just won’t give them become europe due to the fact that there is no common project. by the way, what exactly is the case for ukraine in europe? wanted say that just ukrainian nationalism. as a variant of such westernism, it was divided into two stages. one of them is radical. here is what they call the vikings, and the second is just globalism , it is to get out of the russian world and enter. here in this global western world, where all these values ​​have a chance of winning for survival. after all. you know, oddly enough, both of them are combined, because the radicals were used to destroy other ukrainian citizens who

consider themselves part of the russian world and so on. and these comrades are now unable to horse and quivering cheeks. it cannot live all in one sometimes, if they are in a big team, far from each other, but they move, in principle, together. so, a very important thing about the roots of all this , and one great russian propagandist wrote at the beginning of the last century. eh, do you know what is ukrainian at night? no, you don't know, the ukrainian night in question was taken over by richie mayakovsky who wrote the poem. sense of ukraine is a wonderful poem cool, do we know the ukrainian face? no, we don't know the ukrainian face, we can only remember borscht bacon to remember jokes, but about ukrainians. what else can we say about them? what the propagandist mayakovsky was talking about at that time was exactly the same thing that the bolsheviks were talking about and when the conization took place, when the bolsheviks created the national opera and ballet theater, national literature, and

so on, when people tried to stay together trying to understand their identity and difference , and so to speak did not contradict her, but after the collapse of the soviet union, the opposite story began. we again began to laugh at them over nana, over all these guilty people , including, among other things, there is no need to relieve yourself of responsibility with her great russian shevism was not in the soviet union because it was weather, we didn’t laugh, or something, we laughed marriage state, and then laughs within the framework of different states. and then we started sharing gas. and at what price it was necessary to sell it alexei gennadievich listen to this, which is very simple. and maybe it was necessary to agree to find something. we agreed. we perfectly agreed with

one aunt, they then put her in prison. in general, these last 30 years have really inspired us that we are not one people, and this is understood with the fact that this process is actually ongoing. and this is how it is. this is a wash, again, an impressive empty does not happen, and young people have come to power, who say that we are libertarians, liberals, and so on and so forth to european and to value vladimir sergeevich i want to remind you that we spoke to gogol about ourselves from the bottom of our hearts. eh, russian and ukrainian youth and it is impossible to separate one from the other those people who lived in the territory that now means. the conditional name e ukrainians, they always perceived those who came to their land as enemies, they were poles, they were poles . the jews who worked were jews, the russians came. let me remind you that a certain haytis is black- shaven. there, this one appeared from muscovites only

when russian garrisons appeared in ukraine. now unite all ukrainians, when did the territorial formation of ukraine, which we now know, appear how much 100 years ago? this is ukraine named after vladimir ilyich lenin , but there is, uh, how did you stuff them all? novorossia i do not attribute, uh, to ukraine, i uh call what in ukrainian sounds like pe toma, uh, pet, ukraine is the ukraine that is on the seventh third of july of the seventeenth year. i agreed with a delegation headed by kerensky, tereshchenko, and, in my opinion, whose name i don’t remember, they came there and said, uh, that little russia has autonomy rights as part of there are nine provinces of the russian republic. this is ukraine, everything else - this is what galicia and ukrainians, including galicia, and ukrainians, included - these are polishchuks and valoniki of greatness. eh, bruises. e

zakidnyaki in the same way as in russia there are pomoryvian about swords and that's it. the rest is a nation, but it is ukrainian, that's part of that population, which we conditionally call ukrainian, they have always lived there and have a hut on the edge. they villagers say that the hut on the edge is a myth. and here he is, uh, now very actively trying to instill these new european values, doesn’t this mean that the incumbent president of ukraine somehow wants the ukrainians at that time. uh, so they weren't there to hit him? yes, some kind of european experiment, as the flowers of vision would call this word, in fact, the desire to suck up to the west and make the west perceive ukraine as part of itself. well, let there be a part of yourself standing somewhere in the blue. naturally, they have a community. well, there's a

third-generation illegitimate child somewhere. that's where he stands, but all the same, and this is necessary from zelensky, because he earns on this and the ukrainian political life that they earn on this. and most importantly, the very edible part of ukrainians who want to perceive themselves as europeans, not asians. even if they are second-class europeans, and that's it. you see, yes, this is what you show on the screen. this is happening because it is allowed in kiev, believe me. we also have a segment of people in our country, including those in large cities, who also want the same, because this europeanism is freedom. go there, i don't know, on a beautiful summer day in the area of ​​chistye prudy. you will see such marches. why do you go there? there is one of my works there. there you need to get money on a purely so simply beautiful. why not go there, you know very well not some chistye prudy. we might slow down. now let's pause for a

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agreed that this process is continuing, an attempt at this reformatting. ah, ukrainians, some new europeans. well , listen, well, after all, we probably still had something in common, maybe now it remains. not i know. well, yes, recently. the same culture. here bohdan toldovich said that we love to sing ukrainian songs there. here. uh, a six-year-old estimate. look and listen, please, and scenarios are played out. at least scenarios of the future life are being tested, because after the war peace comes, we will always have to live together anyway. we still have to live next to each other, probably not quite the right word. near so exactly, and we will have to try on and with those who today are ideological opponents with those who today are outright enemies, an amazing picture in general to imagine hromadske, that is, here are the public yes

in russian. uh, on the right in the frame was my former colleague at the radio station of merchants, m. yura posadze, fyodor ivanovich remains with us is this some kind of common cultural space now or not, listen, of course there is. let's get back. i briefly in the seventeenth century hmm well let's, uh, understand russia and ukraine joined so there is a western russian version there is a moscow version. well, i'll tell you, so which option chooses. well , the government chooses the ukrainian western prokopovich russian, i say, it goes into the past so it is formed, then the language begins to form , the chancellery appears, this language appears, uh, which will be needed uh, church slavonic is a literary religious language is connected, so

we get russian common russian language for ukrainians and for russians, this is not the russian language. it is not necessary to think that they have russians there, these are ukrainians. they have a different language there. and now how to unite we have one language. this is the russian language, when no one there agrees with it. listen to me. well, listen to him. if i know literature, then there is such a trubetskoy philologist. well , i mean, but it's a recognized figure. you can read trubetskoy if you can read fedotov's research fedotov writes. eh what is it? i left after the revolution. that's where he went. eh, here. uh, and what do i see, well, we all left, we all suffer, ukrainians hate russians. uh like that how why and further he says not to eat hatred is what will make them turn their backs on russia is the only way to pass on the case cited before. otherwise, they will not succeed

, they will choose the russian option. this is their language. they are here the language that has now come up with a new recalculation, when we return to the question that i asked mikhail borisovich about the reversibility of irreversibility. so, in general , alexander thinks that the whole situation has not been reversed at all. and what in due time. it was written about the fact that we never we will be brothers. it is quite obvious that there will never be any remnants left in ukraine. i mean, the remnants of the soviet mentality remained. as a matter of fact, it is precisely the calculation of the soviet mentality and those who have remained adherent to it in one way or another, e, and this is the last common one. yes? yes, this is the last one in general, and maybe even the only experience, because language. you see, when they talk about language, i believe that language itself does not form a community, as

i do. and like this elementary well, firstly, it means about the origins is then church slavic . secondly, ukraine in the second half of the 17th century after the accession had a huge impact on uh church, cultural, linguistic and so on life, this line was stopped by peter i with his orientation to completely different geopolitical projects. let fedorovich object, please, an adherent. what was before? he says. eh, you know what's going on. uh, now here we are, sorry i started talking about the seventeenth century. um, because here you need to be an expert. here you need to be, uh, responsible for your words, because peter, and now this refusal has ended, for example, from the moscow or great russian language ended in the

17-18th century. and pyotr pyotr went in this direction and there is no need to, but today they want to make him what i thought he was in the east and east. i wanted to go and start peter did his job. i mean, uh , if we read today, uh, a tale of woe and uh, evil happiness. it is there that the old russian language is still preserved. eh, the russian language, but happiness is preserved. eh, mukhtar-believers. uh if you want read fragments from avvakum. now, and it's not just this influence that's been done by those close to you. eh, peter of course, peter i, they still dig very deep . you don’t care about me no, the point is that the language he understands general russian, it’s not just that no one is explaining these things there now, but because , firstly, i don’t know, and secondly, uh, it can be

complicated it is much easier and more effective to act, since they are sorry for the bad phrase, how they act, therefore the russian language is all russian there. trying with all his might to get rid of evgeny eduardovich i, of course, do not agree that language does not create a community. here it seems to me that everything is exactly the opposite, but nevertheless, society certainly creates a community and breaks it depending on who is the bearer of tech-political ideas in the same language. yes, absolutely . well, let's do the depth of change. this is indeed an inevitable thing, because diversification is irreversible, inevitable today due to the fact that for decades the russian political elite, especially business through gazprom and other affairs with chernomyrdin was told where the crests are these demos. here volodya will not let you lie. where are you going from the pipe ? these are conversations behind the scenes since the zero years. that's all, that's what the russian embassy was doing . this is where you go, breaking even more from the inside. yes

, it breaks, of course it breaks. this is what you think, because not a single cultural project. forgive me talking about the work of a century there in the context of this life, which is not enough for our relationship to each other, and this broke relations between russians and ukrainians, that the state was created the difference is precisely here by their journalists, then by the elite who said this without peter the professor. they say that nothing is happening, they are told that the guys are closing russian schools. do it here, and gazprom, despite the fact that my heart bleeds when i hear such words, what is it at all? see also the question is such that i say again that you are now engaged in cultural projects. now it's important. why all the time language? now they cannot offer an alternative to return. good now, anyway we'll try, we'll try in a few minutes. two

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small regional differences or these are completely different two different peoples. bogdan i believe that we are definitely one people and this is our thousand-year history, tradition. culture all together, i remind you that the germans in the 19th century were descendants of a tearful vertor, over whom everyone made fun, and then the ideas turned them into a country and into a people who unleashed a world war twice. so alexander nikolaevich different peoples. eh, everything that is called community was created by inhuman wild pressure, first by imperial, and then by soviet russia alexei gennadievich but it’s important who is trying and why today is the feast of the transfiguration ah. yes, three of the 12 apostles saw the lord god in the son of man, and i would like to express the hope that we will finally find in strength to see in each other people and god, and then you can say, it will come to you. egor valerievich's discussion inspired today, we are not one

people. we were one people. maybe we will be one people in the future, so that we will be one people already, systematic work on re-education, if you like. the upbringing of russian identity in ukrainians, and for this you need to remember that russian is still a supranational identity, first of all, for this, you must first enter a special operation, did a genetic test to understand what is in me a genetic test result me. actually disappointed nothing particularly interesting 100% russian ukrainians. i wrote to these people who can play out in more detail. no, we can't do that, because that's in our genetic identity. it's all the same. that's all, everything should be the same . men should be interested in women, and women in shopping stores, which means that two gentlemen in a large store have lost their wives. hmm are so scattered one says sir. i think we need to join forces in finding ours. eh, husband.

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