the process has started. i think our people still do not understand that they are losing their country. what did the first and last president of the ussr mikhail gorbachev remember why he was adored in the west by bullets, perestroika opened by society and hated in your own country in russia, you are considered a person who lost the country and how the west managed to deceive the leader, the superpower, the united states, you need to flexibly adapt to the times about it today in our program. hello, this is the meeting place on ntv , the place where everything becomes clear and andrey norkin my colleague ivan trushkin. we are working live. today we will begin events that only seem to be,

and not related to the topics that we have been discussing here for the past months. and if you are constantly viewers of our program. you know that we have repeatedly been here, and argued about the personality of mikhail and gorbachev in our studio , our experts gave assessments of his activities, and assessments of the consequences and his political activities. but these same consequences they affect what is happening. uh, years later maybe even decades. after a man leaves his post tonight, mikhail gorbachev passed away, this happened in the central clinical hospital. he was seriously ill for a long time. gorbachev was 91 years old. ah, apparently, this dispute will continue for some time, but about who mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev was after all and what he did for our country, and more pluses or more minuses are my modest calculations. uh, they say that some part a of our fellow citizens considers gorbachev a hero who

gave uh to our country and our people freedom, and again, according to my estimates of those, a minority of the majority believes that gorbachev was not a hero. he was just a traitor who betrayed his country and his and his people. here, well, i certainly have no doubt that correctness will be observed in our studio, because in general, somehow we never allow ourselves some transcendent things, but sincerity, but about our valuable experts. i don't doubt it either. i think they will say what they think on in fact, let's start now with those assessments that the majority adheres to. well , this, of course, was supposed to happen in august. and if you really fall into the mystical, then you want to believe that this is the last demiurge who had a hand in the collapse of the state in his own country. there was still a quarrel in his own. he was a terrible

person who not only betrayed his country to his civilization, who could make decisions that claimed the lives of tens or thousands of people, he became a symbol of a civilizational traitor. and nothing else he left a trace, of course, a sad one, the previous generations of leaders of the soviet union , starting with lenin, strengthened mine, and he, together with yeltsin, managed to destroy what the most outstanding most powerful forces of the big world could not do. the thousand-year history of russia, which was accepted by all the people of not only our country, allies to friends, is absolutely misfortune, grief and misfortune. he did everything to eliminate soviet power. he surrendered. if you think that these harsh statements are not for you sobchak in your collected telegram channel. really very tough quotes from ultra -patriotic telegram channels. we will not dare, probably,

to voice these quotes somehow on the air today, nevertheless, having shown these quotes, ksenia made such a peculiar conclusion. let's conclude, let's see. putin's unequivocal rhetoric about the collapse of the ussr, which has become so bright and even furious in recent years, explains the conjuncture of this evening in the channels of various political bastards who a few days ago condemned those who slandered about the death of dugin, and now andrei nikolayevich gorbachev is doing the same, he has nothing to do with power. in the country for over 30 years. he doesn't make decisions. it has no influence on decision makers, however. that's as far as i can remember. this is the polarization regarding gorbachev and the inability to say something about him, i forgive, but i forget something, it persists, and it does not go anywhere. here you can not explain. why so you know we are talking about the fact that we are not talking about some extreme forms, although speak gorbachev's declensions of forms is very

difficult, but you know, in 1925, the british playwright, poet, hiller belloc wrote a poem on the death of a politician. his grave was accompanied by ridicule. praise, some squall others laughed, just madly, and only i, only i, alone sobbed. i so dreamed of seeing him hanged, you understand? well, that's it, the point is that the question here is how do you assess gorbachev's activities if someone believes that there is some kind of sacred word freedom, which is located in a spherical vacuum, and around which you have to dance, then, of course, mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev can be reckoned at least among the saints of god, please, this is your business, the problem is that we are talking about the head of state, under whose authority was, in my opinion, us the moment of the collapse of the country is about 287 million people, and during the reign of which an economic political crisis and a lot of ethnic

conflicts erupted. mikhail sergeevich gorbachev acted very boldly and wisely in 1991, placing responsibility for the fate of the country on the shoulders of the people and announcing a referendum on the fate of this country received an unequivocal answer, and the need to preserve being the president of the country, and less than a year later. he just retired from office said what? well, here it is, after which he lived. well , having arranged a rather happy, calm, prosperous, well-fed life, and the future of their offspring. you see, what a tragedy for mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev this did not become for those people who ended up, especially on the outskirts of our country for millions of people. it wasn't just broken economic systems environment of life, and for some, death. and for all these 30 years, mikhail sergeevich did not take responsibility for this for this. and a politician who led the country to disaster, by definition, cannot be considered a positive

person. well, i'm sorry, you can't understand that, because you are a politician who came to rule the country , talking about the fact that he wanted the best. he wanted good things. he dreamed. we cannot judge a politician by his dreams. if at some point in your reign you realized that you could not cope leave. andrey nikolaevich should have done it earlier, uh, for some reason i can agree with something no, but we understand that the responsibility for the divorce of the soviet union cannot lie on the shoulders of one person, even if he held the highest post, maybe we therefore we cannot forgive, because we are like this tragedy. i shift , we personify, how to say it will become an equal sign with one with one figure of gorbachev, so we want it or not, but we say mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev came to the country and announced a reform seeing some prospect, which he owed, which was supposed to come as a result of the reforms, the prospects did not come, and he did not bear responsibility again responsibility. i understand, yes, boris borisovich you know, big things are seen from a

distance now 30 years have passed since mikhail sergeyevich ceased to be the leader of the country and assessments are really negative in general in our country. this is absolutely obvious and understandable why, but i assure you that in another 30 years. let's argue. we are unlikely to live with us again. and here you and victor may well be in the studio in 30 years. i assure you. gorbachev's estimates will be much better than the estimates. putin after 30 years i explain why because now, of course, is the time. yes, the soviet union is being restored there. yes, there again, how sadly it is bloody. without posovny there, everywhere, there, and so on. gorbachev really collapsed the soviet union clean. the truth is she's just asking herself a question. and what was the real alternative and could gorbachev make it? i answer in order to save the soviet union for many years there should be a person in power with stalin’s datkas, joseph vissarionovich, pure truth, for whom to evict

several peoples, kazakhstan is not a problem, crushing workers in novocherkassk with tanks is not a problem, gorbachev could keep the soviet allies, violence on the same scale on the same scale, but the difference was this people didn’t want to in vilnius, not in riga, or in tashkent, or in tajikistan, there, or in kiev. as in kiev, they don’t want to, we now see well, but to return, well, they didn’t want to be there, well, what can i do about the results of the referendum, what you say the union of the siege union and six months later there were a referendum in all these republics, including ukraine, they are dependent on nothing further, what's next okay? take it easy on that, that's why gorbachev showed some slack. only in one way he was not ready for the scale of violence that was needed to save the soviet union, that's all. let's do this now , shall we? well, i will not argue with you about the fact that a big exit at a distance will take some time and there may be a

reassessment of value. in the case of gorbachev revaluation from values ​​did not take place in 30 years, but literally in a matter of hours. e. there are several tens of these years in a month of government, but look. because, if we are talking about inclinations, yes, boris borisovich said that he had inclinations, not stalinist, when gorbachev e. hmm led our country's communist party and so on and so forth, and he was a very young man. well, i consider myself a young man, gorbachev was exactly as long as i am now 54 years old. and here are his everyone liked the assignments. well, well, i liked it too. although i was still very young then, i was also shocked in a good way. uh, here, uh, his completely new, different from my usual soviet -style image, it’s absolutely not only possible to say that he was

carried on his hands. it will be a slight exaggeration, but in practice, it's true that these gorbachev inclinations, uh, which we all liked so much and, uh, in which everyone was so quickly disappointed. it's a very similar phenomenon. actually. i think it's worth something here too try searching. almost in the post of general secretary, gorbachev announced the beginning of the restructuring of a new political and economic course. the main slogans of the era were acceleration and the construction of socialism with a human face. we all need to be educated from berua to a worker through the seychelles . . he conquered the soviet public with his ability to speak without a piece of paper and frequent appearances before him, not a single insect allowed

himself such a thing. the first similar street meetings with ordinary citizens took place in may 85 in leningrad, these shots were shown on television according to gost. we are ready gorbachev became the first soviet leader who brought his wife out of the shadows raisa maksimovna regularly appeared with him in public the first lady was very warmly welcomed in the west by the openness of her personal life. gorbachev was also perceived as evidence of an apology for the atmosphere and political course in the ussr, it was her mood to change this system of relations to come forward and behind her husband's shoulder. she asks me. listen. how i owe myself lead that, as always led. we will not change anything in the avant-garde of perestroika undoubtedly stood.

publicity. gorbachev was softened by censorship, he was the first who in many decades approved the principles of freedom of speech in domestic politics, the country began to return dissidents and exile allowed academician sakharov to return to moscow speak of our shortcomings and omissions, and the inevitable difficulties of any living work can only be answered by lenin communists, always and under all circumstances is needed. true publicity, by essentially turned into the main tool for the democratization of society, which played an ambiguous role in the fate of the soviet union and gorbachev himself , he lost control over perestroika, and nationalist forces entered the political arena. huge country, fell apart. i think our people still do not understand that they are losing their country. nikolayevich told me yesterday, well, don't scare me

for god's sake and his weakness. yes, let's do everything to prevent this from happening on december 25, 1991. gorbachev's last speech as head of state, for sure some mistakes could have been avoided, a lot of things could have been done better. but i am sure that sooner or later our common efforts. bear fruit our peoples will live a prosperous and democratic society. i wish you all the very best . so this is the first thing that began to irritate gorbachev. this is just his words of willingness, because when it was said now we will begin to reform everything. and the population of the soviet union quickly felt in their own skin that these reforms were somehow a little strange from them. uh, the population of the soviet union does not get better and

its goofy so do you need reforms, is it all right, or does mikhail sergeyevich and his inner circle, as it were, not really understand at all what they want to do. so the first. i suggest in order to better evaluate. uh, read the story of mikhail sergeevich. and what our president sent to his relatives, i can quote. do you think it's important? you now consider it important favors now as well. are these just key positions that i will try to develop well? just it seems to me that this is, uh, the telegraph no now is it okay? let's not for our president. let's, let's, i'll read it out for a short time. please accept our deepest condolences on the death of mikhail sergeevich gorbachev mikhail gorbachev was a politician and statesman who had a huge impact on the hunting of world history. he led our country during a period of complex dramatic

changes in large-scale foreign policy economic social challenges. deeply understood that reforms needed to be sought to offer my own solutions to pressing problems, i would like to especially note this great humanitarian charitable educational activity, which mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev has been conducting in recent years. once again , please accept my sincere words. sympathy support in connection with the loss that has befallen you. now for the point. let's go first, but here i don't know if everyone remembers the well-known article and golovich andropov in the communist magazine, where he substantiated in detail the presence of a total feo-hugging crisis in our state, he spoke about the total of all covering he did not say those words. who did he spread the crisis in the economy, the crisis, politics and so on, what are you talking about and the crisis, there were no words. wait, let's, otherwise we are so means the first

recognition. as a member of the expert council of the state planning commission, i can say that awareness by the year 83 from the creation of a severe economic crisis was the starting point and they wrote notes to the politb, let's say once a second, let's say the second, but i apologize. uh, i don't know if everyone knows the name of philip deyvitch. bobkov, of course, but a note to the politburo about that e is the hardest between national and crises and so on in the periphery, the second third, and the situation, but i apologize from the administrative department of the central committee of the letter. a note to the politburo stating that what happened is not a non-functioning system e law enforcement crisis is a crisis so another issue. and what was the answer

and mikhail sergeevich, an absolute product, including the ideology of our opponents and the russian tradition, decided that the only correct answer was to change the political system, but he didn’t come up with it, this is 200 years of russian tradition i apologize, i understand. i just want to look again i repeat. i think that hmm, we are not going to dispute here what you said, that there really was a very difficult crisis in the country. but i once again repeat the question, and mikhail sergeevich, whom andropov absolutely agrees with, in general, promoted how to get out of this crisis in his own way. i repeatedly cited examples from the memories i saw igor malashenko, who is now deceased. which at that time received an invitation to work. uh, because he worked on the gorbachev object, there was very little time and left there, because he said that he was in shock because people did not understand at all what they wanted to do

absolutely exactly, but the question is different a-a recipes, where are the recipes that arose from where they came from they came from the idea that liberal values ​​​​can be glued together with the values ​​of socialism new thinking, on the very thinking and from here, but at the same time ideological. uh, putin is here and what? here is putin, and you won’t be quoted i, and i explain. but when putin deeply understood that there was no reform, world consciousness was needed, in my opinion, world history was written there, it had a huge impact. why is this attitude towards gorbachev in the west? this is a separate part they said, wait, it was absolutely false about how i want to understand putin. regarding e- reforms, because putin is saying this, i

can tell you in the same way that putin calls called the collapse of the soviet union the largest geopolitical it's like a man, yeah as a person, orthodox, a believer, as a responsible statesman. putin is now saying the words that he must say now, because he is aware of the responsibility that is only on him to write, what putin will now say like this or like this, god forbid this is how he will never do it, this is the point i want to understand , yes, mikhail sergeevich gorbachev, as the head of the country, is starting more than one idea and that's it. here is this perestroika acceleration, did he understand what he did not understand, right? why did not understand, because that the audience in the dialogue, i am convinced. i understood everything and still exist myths about gorbachev, my people that he could not cope, could not understand, turned out to be weak, they are long in the past. i have

learned too much in the past two decades of the truth about gorbachev. i want to emphasize the crisis was society. i really wanted change. it did not depend on gorbachev. gorbachev just tried to prevent these changes from starting during the preaching of the andropolitans. he persuaded andropov not to rush anything - there are witnesses. read pavlov said more of this i didn't, so i'll show you the documents. prime minister pavlov about how gorbachev step-by-step price reform, i'm not talking about that, i'm talking about the fact that it is still believed that the union collapsed, some ethnic conflicts began. excuse me, they really began in the eighty-fifth year and were organized from the center of a giant, a bureau,

not true. so, when she was born and all at once friends. i'm talking about the fact that on the same day one secretary of the central committee of the cpsu in yerevan is in baku, the other in baku says, defend the territorial integrity of azerbaijan observe the constitution with you. and in yerevan, yakovlev says, take karabakh, this is your historical desire. gorbachev that is, they all did it. consciously, of course i apologize. it seems to me that it is just the opposite, it was all done because the left hand did not know. what to do right away. yes, when right now , you know what an eyewitness and participant in many events. i know, and it's just me. why in the ninety- first, unfortunately, the majority in the supreme soviet of russia voted for the belovezhskaya agreements, and

they were able to convince this majority, because they said, we will get rid of the lord. wait. come back to me. explain what it was like then, if everyone understood the need for change, you yourself said it now. why, then, even ligachev and yakovlev, which you listed there, traveled around the regions of the country, there, all these bloody uprisings, what was the meaning, did not raise well? well, the meaning was that there was a deliberate dismantling of the soviet union. that is, it was the main reform. it was gorbachev who met president of the united states, to the amazement of the americans, he said that the leadership of the ussr had decided to dismantle the warsaw pact, the americans asked for a break, because this topic was not announced for negotiations. gorbachev stayed to drink coffee. moreover, gorbachev did not take with

him not only an assistant to this meeting. he did not even take a soviet translator, only the americans. and as mr. bush told me. in this case, i can refer not only to this conversation, which was with a witness, but also to his memoirs that did they consult? uh, with the president, whether they will be able to convince europe to liquidate, they must be convinced that they will not be able to liquidate us themselves, and it is unprofitable for them. yes, they came back and asked, and what will be required in return if you liquidate the warsaw pact, gorbachev said, nothing. we just eliminate everything else. wait, sergei nikolaevich, how he presents the task of these reforms to us, the dismantling of the soviet union, victor in general, life history very rarely provides second chances to do something differently than those who preceded us to do differently and see. like what will happen here,

perhaps. now history provides us with such a chance, it’s not a fact that we will succeed now, but i would like to hope. the fact is that by the mid-eighties the soviet union faced a complex of very difficult challenges, firstly, let’s not forget there was an afghan war, which was already clear then. the soviet union could not win. something had to be done about this. this was the first time that the ussr's second eastern european allies ran into huge debts. in front of western banks they have there were problems with the payment of these debts. the soviet government, already in 85-86, within the framework of the cmea , informed its allies in eastern europe that it was not capable and would not continue to provide them with the same level of support that the soviet era provided them earlier, the planned economy was bursting at the seams, let's look at the same station for two. this is the 82nd year of the last year of the middle. this is not some kind of it, in principle, here fi-look how they lived found. how society reacted to this

life. here comes, there is a hero according to silashvili here in this canteen at the station. what does he see there and in general, look quickly. see work. take it. look, please. this is not a document about weapons. wait, don't interrupt within the framework. even censorship, as it is, portrayed itself and and where people saw problems. moreover, it means that i believe in the ideals of communism, the median of socialism, marxism, leninism, it has already atrophied, otherwise the party state and at what point went wrong. there was a fork in this, what could be done there were two main choices, one very a serious tightening of the repressive apparatus in order to keep everything, because the level of the economic level, the level of material support, dropped leaps, for example, jumps. wait,

the economy wasn't working, so you really understand. from the west, it intensified as much as possible; they agreed with the audits, you know, the prices for them are our budget. here is the budget. either the strengthening of the repressive apparatus is very serious, yes, or what he went for. not just gorbachev gorbachev was just a fragment of a large party state groupings and yakovlevich ivan to fuck atin. and ryzhkov and others. they were all in that they would start for the show car. what did it mean in part after the end of the cold war on the terms of partial surrender of the soviet union what did it mean eastern europe is leaving the soviet union i

understand its problems, in fact the west is already with regard to the soviet union the missile nuclear shield remains with russia moscow retains for a right veto in the light of the un security and a number of others, and the residual of such inertial phenomena from the soviet union. and at the same time loses that status, which was one of the two alone it went. right now, we are now a little bit, as if we are running ahead, forward. i understand how you feel. i want to emphasize all the time, but i still want the topic of gorbachev's agreement with the west, what is happening here vyacheslav nikolaevich that is, you, uh, comrades. uh, the ideological ones are sure that it was possible to save the soviet union and that's it. it’s just that it wasn’t done that way due to the deepest crisis , i said here, so to speak, that it’s bad here. i am also 85 they just lived, actually planned according to my recollections, as an ordinary layman iosif evgenievich well, a person can have memories

well, you worked in the state plan so then i was a person, you see what you planned. in the end, there was no wait, wait. we bring you the word that today you are also not to blame for anything. my feeling in 1985 was absolute prosperity. here, as an ordinary citizen of the inhabitant. i didn't have any high positions. no rations, no special distributors. i would be an ordinary citizen '85 was a wonderful year, but reform nonetheless. we all felt the need for some kind of change - this is normal. this in all countries in history always happens never the people are completely satisfied. he wants something even better life. and this is normal, therefore, when gorbachev arrived, everyone said, great. this is that we and i were among them who admired, by the way, reforms began with this. in which direction he suffered, the biggest problem with gorbachev was that he failed in the economy.

because he did such a thing in the economy that it led us to the deepest crisis. reforms were needed, including in the economy. but what gorbachev did with the help of economists just led us to this catastrophe. why because he unbalanced the economy, why suddenly goods disappeared on the shelves, we are told billions of unsecured money, he eliminated the two-way system of cash and non-cash, and when non-cash money poured into the market people. just dare now came, tell me how at that time there were no different books, sausage trains to moscow, an agreement appeared. bochev, the insidious deficit appeared at gorbachev's to get good boots, somewhere to get acquainted. it could have been for a long time gorbachev's price of meat was two rubles per kg was not there, but there was no meat. if we could raise it to four balls, we would now have bandits, as now

there was no meat, there were no three fourths vladimir until the ninetieth year on the market freely in the stands, and on the market yes a war of memories. i am now let's stop, please, let's go over a little. okay, to make it so important, watch like a documentarian. eh, i'm paying attention. well, what are you referring to the cinema and memoirs of cinema, it was a rhetorical question. i didn't interrupt you. it was yakovlev's weapon. i think, uh, the most powerful blow was dealt ideologically with regard to, uh, partial dismantling. as a guru officer at the time , i watched what happened to growth provocation? what was the deal? the demolition of the entire leadership of the

soviet army on the eve of the malkin maryalta treaties started talking about yalta , i thought, of course. as for, as for gorbachev himself, as for his faith in reference documents. with one stroke of the pen , the sef was destroyed by a transfer to the dollar system within an hour, destroyed with one stroke of the pen . uh, destroyed, the warsaw pact in one stroke. the grouping was surrendered to pera and, uh, the prerequisites were created for swallowing the whole country of the gdr where , by the way, every referendum is being scolded for crimea now, and this is a person to choose from. this is a man. i am i don't want to talk tree. we will talk about personality in the

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now call free dna new season today at 17:50 on ntv this is the meeting point on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we continue. now here they wanted to dedicate this piece to how gorbachev is perceived in the west, because here it already sounded like germany collapsed, united , no soviet union. nato will remain warsaw pact no, in connection with all this. well, here, probably some fair, perhaps reproaches that gorbachev somehow acted in the interests of our western partners. well, today's some statements after his death. they can only confirm this.

arms unification of germany withdrawal from afghanistan and dissolution of the warsaw contract, i ask one question, to whom did i give it? poland to the poles fendrum cover, czech republic once again they belong to slovakia. what do you think for the west, gorbachev was really a soviet leader, the leading western editions of the guardian build times, new york, times, and others today came out of approximately the same first hair, if briefly they all boil down to how gorbachev was a peacemaker and reformer and how now the whole world mourns the real man of the world, former italian prime minister syria lusconi called gorbachev a champion democracy that changed the history of the 20th century, the head of the

european commission. ursula fondyrlyan stressed that it was gorbachev who opened the way to a free europe and the general secretary. he said that the last soviet general secretary did the most for the peaceful end of the cold war, but most of all, western leaders praised them for stopping the arms race, that if we don’t stop now and go, on the path to reduction until the complete destruction of the nuclear weapons, then later there may already be such a process, gorbachev met. with the bush senior, and already in 2009, he was received at the white house by the then vice president, joe biden, who did not hesitate to praise gorbachev for the reforms. and, of course, the reduction of nuclear stocks. now bye. it seems that opinion has not changed after decades of brutal political repression. he adopted democratic reforms. he believed in glasnost and perestroika, openness perestroika. not

just as a slogan, but as a step forward for the people of the soviet union in 1990, gorbachev was awarded the nobel peace prize for his contribution to the peace process, in relations between the soviet union and the west, the cold war was stopped. in fact, removed the threat of world war disappeared iron curtain united germany events. a turning point in the history of europe there is not a single country on the continent that does not consider itself completely, sovereignly independent. dog evgeny how is it that most of all people mourn for gorbachev now in countries that we call well , unfriendly, is there some kind of, well, this i can’t name coincidences, there is certainly the use of the figure of gorbachev for

an ideological blow to our national leader. this opposition of putin and gorbachev is obvious, but only this is not excuse me, this is not recognition of gorbachev's merits before this, let's figure it out about the fact that interethnic relations were quieter, and no one will remember the explosions in the moscow metro organized by armenian nationalists were these. tell no it was just having blue kill. let's go first. the crisis was the second. stop please, what are ivan sergeevich like now, just now we are sliding, which means come back later. secondly, we touch on the details that we have already discussed. i give you details. i asked you how it happened that gorbachev is essentially one of his own among strangers now i answer. here he

was making a decision, then in that space, which presented the only opportunity. here they say he liquidated the warsaw pact in the interests of the west for a second. sorry, but this is a way of thinking that continues to destroy today our country thinking answer because at that moment the council of the warsaw pact decided to liquidate the americans in 1991. he informed about this 89 of the sergey treaty, i say that this is eight decision of eight people war of the murder of the leader. not all at once the lord's council of the warsaw pact decided to terminate. perhaps i take you as a person. wait like a human

professor and your mother. wait. here here is how a person has an economic mindset. tell me please. that we, as a country, are citizens got for these all you wait. here my brother served. that is, there, as if i demobilized my eighty-eighth year, and he left me in the ninetieth. this means that he fell under this very sad ending of the group of soviet troops in germany, that is, it all came out with him. i know a little from yegor how it all happened, and still i have no answer. why it happened this way is just a small and small example of what we got in return absolutely right in your question. and the answer is obvious. it absolute irresponsibility, because they offered 80 billion. this is

gorbachev's irresponsibility . i did not own my way of thinking with such assumptions, never me. i'm talking about thinking, it's about your way of thinking and evaluating people for a second. show yourself to us, please, then the next season. so, this is all the same irresponsibility was said. yes, this is naivete. no, this is not naivety. well he was deceived, that is us all deceived. well, now we knew a lot of documents there. please give me a plot. gorbachev himself spoke more than once about how western leaders promised not to expand nato to the east. one

such conversation took place in 1990 at a meeting between gorbachev and us secretary of state james baker. as gorbachev stated in an interview with journalist yevgeny revenko, the promises about the security of the ussr were not behind the scenes, but quite official official meetings in connection with the upcoming process. uh, hmm and the formation of our approaches and germany therefore conversations go there if they are mistaken on the 9th of february with uh vasily and i would ask the question, what happens from what is on the other from the third? so baker immediately solemnly announced to me that i had written this book. but there are documents for this store. i’m quoting right now, there will be no spread of jurisdiction over the walls. and the

nato military presence is not one inch in the east direction and there are many other things, but these are already details. this is the most important statement of principle in the west , they admit that gorbachev then in vain believed that in the united states they will keep their promises and in every possible way deny that they agreed to expand nato to the east, in general there was a mistake by gorbachev was a misunderstanding of washington, the american president can conclude an agreement that his successor will refuse, even if there are signed documents, and in the absence of such, a corrupt regime clinton was able to state that the agreement they were pushing nato to russia's borders never existed. however. here the west is cunning in february of this year, the magazine spiegel published a document which confirms that western leaders. indeed, they made a promise to mikhail gorbachev , the documents speak of a meeting between representatives of the us foreign ministry, great britain, france and ferg. it passed in

the massacre on march 6, 1991 plus four that we are not expanding nato beyond the elbe, so we can not offer poland and the rest of nato membership recently, former us president george w. bush admitted that america intends to break the promise to gorbachev, since times bush's sensational statements in may were published pranksters lexus and avant baker was. guests years ago, and hence the united states. it is necessary to adapt flexibly to the times, and that is why now you find such powerful support for our country . was gorbachev deceived or was he deceived, or is it all the same? well, we were all ready then, uh, to make such contacts. we were ready to deceive ourselves during the times of perestroika euphoria about the

attitude of the west. she was naturally present in society. it really was sincere. even, probably, from the side and the americans from kicking level. there were teleconferences and all that was also a completely sincere feeling, but we are talking about some absurd things. we are talking about a kind of gentlemen's agreement in a policy that is not framed in anything. and here we are. we are approaching the moment of what gorbachev was like as a politician. and so, when it was said here about the problems that the ussr certainly faced in different places. the main problem that existed was the lack of an institution in the ussr. continuity of power, because neither brezhnev nor his generation in fact, the new generation is not was preparing and as a result a man went upstairs, who, absolutely like one my colleague wrote from the arguments with the thinking of a man from the district committee in the outback. he did not at all correspond to the position to which he was placed, when we talk about some kind of reforms, no concept , no understanding, either economically or

politically or otherwise. mikhalych didn’t have and didn’t have the opportunity, because you understand the unwieldy hat in general, and when we really listen, no matter what you are, naive euphoria any any agreement. at this level should be documented, when a person comes out, speaks to me, granny perfectly understand, you can be deceived by thimbles, they didn’t raise them, they also understand about this, we don’t talk about that, and the bees perfectly understand, if the president of the united states liquidated the nato bloc, removed from western europe according to american mode. we would erect his monuments here. they adored it immensely, just as mikhail sergeevich gorbachev andrey is now loading the smell perfectly. come on, where was marshal yazov, and where was gennady andreevich zyuganov, he was in the general department, how does the epss warn? none of these people none of these people who are now criticizing what happened. you're screaming because you don't

like what they're saying here, please give it. let's agree. these people were in power, then it was not stalin's times and yazov izyugan and others could resign. at any time. any day they could. but i did not agree with what was happening, i did not agree with the collapse of the warsaw pact. gennady andreevich zyuganov could have resigned, he is now why am i against it? why would they come to work at that time? breathe enough to see all the counties would offer our viewers. you know , actually posted, it's 10 and records. za spoke with perestroika speeches and before military personnel. these people supported gorbachev. so for a second, we are

running out of time. i would like that somehow we are more civilized such roman vladimirovich, i heard your remark. that is, everyone is to blame, except for gorbachev and you want to say that no one asked me, please excuse me, uh, in fact. uh, hmm, we must say that gorbachev was indeed not a subject, but if we take into account, let's say, the reaction of the west when he was not yet in power, as they accepted, i, due to my professional activities, communicated with leonid mitrofan, which is noticeable, which was the first. who brought gorbachev to the outside world, while he, as the head of the department of international information of the central committee, received the task of attention to introduce gorbachev to this,

let's say, a rural party leader, with a completely british study by elizabeth iii and he says we're flying the plane left. yes, we are flying by plane, and i heard that hunchback. he wants to talk about perestroika even then asked him a question. and what is it, but he says, i am a naive person. i thought it was a concept there, something else he says. no, it's a beautiful word. and when he says, we flew in, no one knew gorbachev and everyone applauded him. since when did i already think it was noticeable, suddenly the west is applauding gorbachev who has not done anything yet. sometimes thank you i'm sure we'll be more repeatedly return to this figure mikhail sergeevich. you know, as far as i understand, there is still no decision on the status of, uh, funeral ceremonies, this, i think, during the day today, while there was information that there would be no state funeral, not confirmed, not confirmed yet. yes well , in any case, i'm talking about his figure and the

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when the gas apocalypse covers all of europe, europe has no alternative energy sources, how are they preparing for the coldest winter in history in kiev, this winter season will be the most difficult in our history and will europe decide on a new iron the curtain for the russians is my proposal. suspend simplified issuance right now. this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we continue. well, let's see, how interesting it just turns out repeatedly, there gorbachev himself dissuaded m.

other people used quotes from his speech as about accomplishments. uh, it was about the fall of the iron curtain. now he is gradually rising again. why do n't we do it at all. but in our announcement there was mrs. berg, uh, who proposed a certain measure, and she already made us. as far as we understand, now the europeans are discussing the eighth package of sanctions against us there on the energy sector, a complete rejection, but this is a hmm baltic initiative and here is a visa ban. just a few minutes ago, representatives of the rally. i don't know who is there. yes, they said that they agreed, it seems, how they really cancel the countries of europe or suspend the simplified process there. e, according to the process of simplified issuance of visas to us, that is, visas, it seems, how they will be issued. but it will be longer, it will be more expensive, and i so i understand that the number will also be less there, i don’t know, probably, there will be some, let’s. we are now starting with a visit, and with these

restrictions, the idea of ​​cutting off russians from the schengen area by banning the issuance of tourist visas is being actively pushed through by the baltic countries. poland finland czech republic slovakia and malta got used to them at the last moment, the netherlands we do not want to identify the russian authorities and the people. however, many russian tourists come to spend money on canvas, often these rich russians are associated with the anti-visa regime. austria, hungary, as well as european heavyweights germany and france, according to politicians, berlin and paris consider the collective punishment of russians, unjustified measures, instead of a ban, they propose to greatly slow down the process of issuing visas to limit their number and increase fees, a compromise idea was put forward by the head of the german foreign policy department with my proposal would be to suspend the visa facilitation agreement to no longer issue multiple-entry multi-year visas to give

the opportunity for states that are particularly affected by this issue to check exactly for what purposes this visa will be issued. but the building of the euro absorbers reports that eu officials want to remove young russians under the age of 25 from sanctions. the author of the article raised questions about such concessions. there is some kind of obsession with russian youth under the age of 25 in eu decision making circles, but most russian soldiers killing and raping people. in ukraine, younger than 25 years. we have to get rid of the idea that it's just putin's war and not the wider russian war. who do they still want to punish to be only rich russian russians in general. eh, as you see all this, it means, well, first of all. really. uh, the repeal agreement is due to be signed tonight. eh, so to speak, the transport regimes and this, according to the estimates of specialists in the eu, will reduce the number of visitors who

want to punish you will be among the punished, no , i won’t. why are you not going to boast there, therefore, in general, they lead me less like a wave collective responsibility. no, everything will be different there. the point is that several agreements provide for the possibility of a map of a separate country to introduce its own additional organizations. uh-huh that's it hi of course to what is about 30-40%. a visa will rise in price to 80 euros, at least, so it will require about 5-6 documents. moreover, these are separate countries, like the baltic states, they will enter. here is the so-called. uh, consent paper, at the entrance to the fine. you must sign that you do not recognize, crimea, uh, russian and yes, of course. yes, this also means things that will happen now, but losses. yes , there is a loss, who does not recognize. yes, they are approximately

estimated at a billion euros lost from the russian to them. what is the use of this whole year? a question of pressure inside russia ? public opinion should be so. let's cause some kind of seething here with us i don't i thought that it would cause some kind of drilling, because mentally those people who do not want to go to such a europe will not go. others have no money, and those people would like to dump in europe, they have already dumped. that is, in principle, what's the point again. but why is it very simple that some eu countries shoot to read their statement? here is a way for the remnants of the russian middle class to put pressure on putin, i emphasize some, but the main initiators. if you read the statement or wrote

articles about it, how do i major initiations, how do you i don’t write articles, i just read them, i read them, and the main initiators of the sanctions will have the following main argument, and the russians as a whole are useless to put pressure on them. yeah, but russian society in general, including the middle class, in which the european union invested so much money, grabbed around putin and for this special operation, so we are not talking about pressure on elementary punishment. yeah, and the baltic states and poland, that is, these are the main initiators of the infinca. why do they have? and why the netherlands seems to be not the most the russophobic country of western europe, that is, which we have a difficult relationship because of the ideologically will go, that is, to the netherlands, in contrast to the more pragmatic french and germans. i really don't like our political system. and for them this question is of such great and andrean significance. this will not be repeated. one of the few countries in a series of buildings in western europe

that support this idiocy. they all think you wanted to clarify. yes, it's not about punishment. you know, in fact, people in the west are quite pragmatic. they understand very well that those who remained in russia had these restrictions in no way for drilling to overthrow the government. no way to raise even such a guest visited the studio some years ago, yaroslav kolobkov. that is, if such a liberal guest, he is now somewhere abroad, so, every day he writes in his social networks that the west betrayed, betrayed, betrayed. uh, he betrayed people like him with these visa restrictions. they are just a glance. this causes irritation among those who, including those who were about to leave or those who left and is afraid that they are alive there, or something was written to them and or visas will not be extended, so no one in the west expects that this will lead to the overthrow of some. you see, let's just say that we are now in the acute phase of the new cold war. this implies a break in communication between, on the one hand, the metropolis between russia and

large russian russian communities abroad for the west in the conditions of the cold war in the conditions of the cold war it is unprofitable that there were permanent channels of communication corridors. they are no less between wait between russia russians and large communities in europe america and other parts of the world, so they are trying in this way to limit the business of influence, and do not try when hundreds of thousands of tourists do not understand spain porto not in germany there is constantly a third - this is an element of russian influence too they are trying to cut it off, i also disagreed with something, but now i don’t know, it’s not for russia, it’s focused on the most important task of maintaining the ideological mobilization of europe in order to prevent a rational discussion of the motives and the possibility

of conducting operations must be blocked and ensured by zombie public opinion in europe. a non-admission as everyone who says? well, here just e ideological unity does not add up, because european old people in life, who are trying. that's how the dissocial democrats rather advocated for an open letter and so on. everyone who starts to speak. let's take a reasonable approach to resolving the issue they are accused of, but moral supporters. putin and so on need to be supported, and psychological pressure and all these repression, now no longer possess. no impact. it's just climate control. i have already said, the main problem today is the political dimension, and in uh, the ongoing special military operation of the fifteenth elections in italy, we already know who will win. here, and

scholz himself has serious problems in social democracy, where he is told that you no longer represent the social democratic party, the most serious problems in france and it is necessary to provide after unimaginable cracks and inventions, he once again said that this is it the need for unthinkable pressure. i don't think it gives much results. they, uh, they don’t have 100% , that’s what gorbachev will do again today. this is supported by media studies. we can just bring it here now. come on in. now. let's take another example right away. the same package, because these energy restrictions are constantly talking about some new restrictions on carriers, but so far it only brings some kind of discord. they are the same concert in june in the european union, with grief in half, sort of like we agreed on a partial imbargo on

russian oil in the matter of purchasing our energy resources. increased according to eurostat. in the same june, the european union imported russian oil worth 7 million, which is more than in may in august, the export of our oil to the mediterranean sea by the most active buyers increased significantly. here comes e according to bloomberg. spain greece romania bulgaria while the united states is actively inciting the europeans to set a price ceiling for russian oil, they say. all this should be done for the sake of ukraine but there is no progress here. and you as for gas, according to the italian newspaper? here it is germany, which, together with the netherlands, opposed the idea of ​​\u200b\u200bthe ceiling on gas prices from russia, now, it seems, it is ready to discuss this decision, it can be taken at a meeting of energy ministers of the european union, it will be held on september 9th. let mario draghi listen to the italian government at the european level.

like the prices of russian gas that we import, some countries continue to oppose this idea, because they fear that moscow can interrupt landings, but many. and the blocking of russian gas supplies this summer showed the limitations of such a position. alexander sergeevich, this constant talk about a price ceiling is a self-reassuring european story that we didn’t impose all the sanctions on me right now. now we’re going to introduce it again, and it’s like, how can we, or is this a ceiling of cents absolutely such an ephemeral story, because, uh, as soon as some kind of price ceiling is introduced, the flow of both oil and gas will simply stop and just stop. well you had it is said that the americans are inciting the european union, but in fact, the person who was now on the screen was the first, and the then european leader, who proposed the introduction of a price ceiling, that is, he is not talking about it in vain now, and so as he said back in april. let's introduce a price ceiling for russian hydrocarbons. in particular, on russian gas. therefore, this idea has been discussed for a long time, but

the objection is exactly the same, which has already been voiced. strictly speaking, mr. mario drage objection simple. and what will prevent russia from doing so? yes. by the way, we are entering today. uh, in such a very interesting time period , gas supplies through nord stream one were completely stopped because we are repairing that turbine that is still working, yes, we will repair it until august 3rd of september until september 3rd, although mine is until august 3rd of next year . yo-mine was also repaired. and then what moment is there what moment about i will return a little to the ceiling? yes , the problem, again, that's not and now the price ceiling to impose, for example, on russian oil or russian gas is absolutely counterproductive , because the european countries did not impose an embargo before the embargo was introduced. it is also being entered. at the end of the year. they will accelerate

the purchase of russian oil, russian russian oil products for oil products, the ban will be introduced from the first quarter of next year. and if we conduct now, then this increased demand, which is born due to the fact that people are trying to stockpile, well, hype, yes demand, it will come across what, we say. well, sorry, more precisely, we won’t say, but, let’s say our president signs a decree in which there will be a ban on sales to companies from unfriendly countries that use the system introduced there for the ceiling of the ceiling system, it’s clear well, our company will say, my friends, you know, this a classic force majeure state is actually not something that forbids us to interact with you. well, as soon as you have this cancelled, we will interact with you, we will sell. and now we have no right to us state to us you say it's impossible. it won't happen, it can't be done. listen, well, we don’t know some things there, for several months we also considered it impossible, referring to

pragmatism. west they still do it. and it's impossible. well lead. you can be more precise, how to lead, you can, if you are not interested in the consequences? uh-huh now there is no andryusha on this to speak of any country that is not my joke. i am a perfect joke video sitting. let's set a price ceiling on a bmw and mercedes car a million rubles. here we will at least one car will come. after that, the answer will not come. here is the same thing, only without mercedes and bmw cars we will somehow cope, and without our guys' oil and gas. they will live, posts since i still feel bad about animals, let's start with germany, where today there are eighty-one percent, so november and the first can be. in vain the download of the customer is 90%. what is the percentage of production? bes or still they plan to live longer, they will live in peace

, because in december in december there will be introduced are building three e, a terminal for receiving liquefied gas. yes, it doesn’t matter, the price is 50. i ’m afraid that now, from the side of his information , someone’s mother will again be remembered. well it was good, let's take a short break and continue. and then suddenly, one by one, they fled back that you were no longer alive who were they who saw eyewitnesses of zelensky’s crime or paro-saboteurs,

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everything becomes clear. we continue to stop. we are on the replica of andreevich fedorova, who she says will survive this winter of a european with gas and it doesn’t matter. at what price? let us laugh at this? one of the worst energy situations is expected in britain as early as october, electricity prices will rise by 80% according to the british energy regulator. family annual account. it will be three times higher than last year and will amount to about 240,000 rubles with our money. and then it could be worse, according to british energy because of the shortage of gas in the winter london may face shutdown of power plants. the coming months will be tough, maybe very tough our electricity bills will be mind-blowing for

many of us, house heating bills are scary already, but i'm sure we'll get through this and at the end of last week, gas prices broke through $3,300 per 1,000 cubic meters. . and this is not the limit of the cold, five thousand dollars are already waiting, and then the prices for electricity in france rushed up, according to the figaro newspaper, the cost of energy increased by 1.000% per year people are stocking up firewood and stoves, a similar situation is in lithuania where the price of firewood has already doubled in modest a accounts. this is approximately 30%. this is at least, at least, but a little closer to, uh, caffeine, this is even more expensive from high gas prices, not only ordinary citizens suffer, but also large-scale production in poland can stop three breweries at once. karlsberg, the plants

for the production of nitrogen fertilizers also closed. the polish press is panicking. this will directly hit the food industry, and from the shelves of polish supermarkets familiar products may disappear. leonid march without any gloating. i ask whether all european countries will survive this winter well, how well, how warm, and i recently published this one, i lost count. so now i have to tell the truth, please, and i proceed from the fact that in the end. eh, no one will freeze like that, but warm everyone somehow, which means that the topic will be considered, it will really be very large. just let me remind you that these are not gazprom's revenues, these 3,000 and so on. this is the income of the boat algeria norway usa that is, this is the gas, because gazprom e. well, in part, he also has high ones there , they will give something there in the south, but let's say, when there were thousands in the fall, gazprom had 500, because there is no

oil delay there, if we remember, yes, not vanya it seems to me how much we will earn, a here ’s what they say, in general, you do n’t discuss the european shares there, the smaller the share of gazprom with such high goals, all talk about gazprom becomes completely uninterrupted, because its share in the european one is actually it becomes very big that they are spreading their these payments. there, with some astronomical ones, it’s not for us, but with this, with this, through this and academic discussion, we also tolerate. let's get closer to closer, the logistics of this supply will be very heavy. uh, it will be the hardest position of the layers. uh, the lower layers, especially where the consumption pattern is tied. naturally, coal, by the way, is the same for gas. and the poorer the

country and the more gas is tied, the cheaper it will be there. they will try to redistribute the gas if there are technical difficulties, it is possible in most cases and will be, at the expense of the countries , partial subsidies will begin, at least you understand, but it will be very expensive. unusually expensive. and and here's how it will affect socially on the question said that the end of an era would somehow have abundance of it, here it is, because there is inflation, so to speak. and we are just now looking at whether there is already a trigger for the crisis to normal or not? because this is what has been happening now for the last six months, uh, and more precisely, with the last summer the year is very similar to the price crisis of the seventy- third year, when oil jumped from 4:00 to 14 at home from 4:00 to $14, and then it stopped many industries. let's see what

will happen now, but it seems to me that no one in their right mind can, or, as they say, a sober person knows how to make a sound memory of us, that you don’t work with you about us, you ’ll lose, no one will argue with the fact that the situation there, well, is on the verge of so andrei vladimirovich does not see the word catastrophic. you show him johnson. andrey vasi sees him shows that someone does not see obviously, which is simple. it is obvious that electricity prices are huge inflation, which if the official level rolls on individual shames , we compare it with ours, and there it is also clear that official inflation does not reflect the real state of affairs for a certain group of goods. this is also the average temperature in the hospital, it is obvious that there will not be enough gas to heat everything and everything, it is obvious that these are big problems that will eventually result in some political implications. so,

respectively, elite in these countries. but then we say they will survive or they will not survive, they will freeze or they will not freeze, and this is a matter of optics. and what do we mean by this and you can live in a cave and at 15 ° in an apartment you can take, after all, in the nineties , without electricity without electricity, we lived. that is, they will live, they will live. just in what conditions they are about animals. well, he johnson speaks in plain text. here is the official policy. they say it's the year thirteen by chance, wait. not by chance, for example, in austria we are now discussing another topic, in order to untie the price of electricity from the stock exchange, which means from the price of gas, because they have a direct relationship. let him try for now. let him try to untie the electric energy of the material that forms this energy. well, let dad, if people are already going to these here, these are the same signals that you have brought a full back, for

example, there are large enterprises, prices. you sell, you gave an example of two enterprises with some kind of beer to hell with yourself there already i'm in he wrote some enterprises on his telegram on the channel there, for the sake of which there is a chemical industry in germany and slovakia in romania , that is, yes, it was never written there. uh, germany didn't open up as many wasteful power plants as it does under the current green righteousness. yes georgievich see a-a. they no , you're egor valery excuse me. yes, they really will live. how is it there. anton correctly said that one can live in caves only as a person who has never got used to living there will live in a cave. it was with us that the experience of the nineties in europe helped him was not in the european society. it hasn't been for a long time. here are such, uh, in general, in all years, so to speak, when we say the word cave, we do not exaggerate gevordkovich. this is not not zakadatel, but they are afraid of electricity there,

especially for a joke of a statement. yes, i won’t say anything about restaurateurs, i have a friend with humor or, in general, they keep them in a restaurant. he told me the other day how he has a sharp increase in sitting and eating sitting man i should do it to us. the main thing is different. we don't want the europeans to suffer there. for us, this is not an end in itself. you directly mintsevo statement quotes a person in such senses, and our task is for the europeans to look at this, i understand two very sober two elementary things. firstly, what is happening is a consequence of their own actions by russia, and he is already two and two about this, so that they understand that their sanctions, which we did not want to destroy the russian economy, hit the hospital on him. she can. they don't understand yet. don't understand demos, that is, they are once they are

will understand the sanctions will be stopped to establish. it collapses after that we are talking about the war of the tv with refrigerators. here, uh, and so far, the situation is already rapidly changing in favor of the refrigerator. why data from japanese analysts showed that support for putin in social networks is growing rapidly and approaching support for ukraine no , all european japanese analysts analyzed european networks, especially polish ones. apparently. ah. the pulse, after all, is not the majority, the citizens of europe are the first second. the situation, uh, i'm surprised, or something,

markshay did not mention the situation on this one, because it happens all over you against the backdrop of the huge risks of the global economic crisis. what at first , ah, i already said here that the task of the most important task, today's ideological struggle , is to worsen the position of the european european economy in order to create the possibility of holding the us financial system in exactly the same way england behaves, which contributes to the destruction of the european economy in order to maintain the leading position of the city of london therefore, it is forcing, yalogino, a well-known principle, you can deceive for a long time for a short time to deceive everyone. yes,

that's how to deceive the majority for some time, but you can't always deceive everyone, and just structural shifts in electoral priorities are rapidly changing. he quite rightly said that he would break through you, but he kind of hooked you, you reproach him that he didn’t mention something there, add something and refute it, but he says it correctly. yes, we have two boots with him. i understand it. when i listen to you, i i remember the story that my grandfather loved the late color. no about the fact that the world chess championship, botvinik waist. this is a game of two jews for the benefit of the russians. this is what he had. yes you know, it's true, real. i think because it is a global problem. directly and politically geopolitically, then we will not move anywhere until the november elections in the united states . we are still waiting for them. this time. and what are you waiting for, wait, evgenievich says that after that it will

be right here, i don’t believe in the lifting of sanctions at all no circumstances. no, i do not see any chance of lifting any sanctions. in the foreseeable future, i will say that, on the contrary, there will be an increase in these chaotic processes, i will say pleasure, since i have hardened more than the majority of the population from the rejuvenated over the past 70 years. well, but i think that a, of course, the winter will be very difficult. i would honestly recommend to those who hmm let's say remember the previous one there, that there is no aggression jump in prices came before the operation, firstly, there was no restriction. not in deliveries, but, but the embargo of the seventy-third year is arab, as always against developed

countries, but here the embargo of importers on e, the seller's market, a and the buyer's bargo on the seller's market. and this is not even a task for students, you know, it’s true, it’s a joke about backfilling at a seminar, and more than bonnie, is it possible to impose a supply limit. what if you don't have enough? well then you'll have three thousand. that's why a-a technical ones are very important. so this is the money that is earned for well, how are they going to norway? uh-huh they say i i will endure. and just understand, this is extremely unusual, but i wanted to remind you that the increase in prices between december 17 december in the twentieth year was zero both in the states and in europe and everything that we observe happened in a year and a half, and e growth rate of 10

energy component for 30-40, therefore, and really this breakdown of consciousness, how it will affect political affairs is not mine. and i’ll figure out how to do it, but we’ll call you anyway, so that it’s interesting somehow, we’ll call it. as for the economic conclusions quietly, once again, please, the economic conclusions are all right, but how what are the political consequences so he will show that he does not know, stop laughing. we understand, and we have a lot of people who see in europeans, in general in western people, such gobbled-up people who are so accustomed to such a comfortable, very comfortable, calm life that any problems that we relate to remember the macron, this is the macron, he says about it, that they get used to it comfortably,

everything is comfortable in the tenth years. even the beginning of the sixties and a-was such that i tell you yes, uh in great britain, in belgium, in holland, they lived quite differently. they lived very differently. these were the times of the cold war, also another past cold war. you understand this calculation that they will feel bad they will feel bad, it will be hard , it will be a very hard winter. now for the europeans it will probably be with a high degree of probability and the next winter will also be difficult for them, but will this lead to the collapse of the station pressure against russia ? the calculation is americans europeans. well, their calculation is based on the fact that while the fat one loses weight, the thin one dies this calculation. let's hope to try. they intend. they perfectly understand the

macron. and a jones to trust on the leaf. they, they all, they all understand perfectly well, no worse than we understand, they honestly, perhaps they know, and they are going. you know what awaits them, i agree, they are very, very well, literally, they go for it very purposefully and believe that in this way they will cause more damage to russia. they really live a little differently than we do. presenting. you can of course be surprised now. here are all these stories of theirs about saving water and so on and so forth. i've been listening to you right now. eh, as i did for the first time, when in my life i ended up in london and went there, it means to negotiate with boris biryuzovsky. so they put me in a mayfair hotel. this is, to put it mildly, not the cheapest area of ​​talondon and not the cheapest hotel.

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the kiev authorities are going to borrow 346 million dollars for the purchase of gas, the ministry of energy of ukraine said about the unprecedented shortage of fuel in storage, the head of nafta gas, yuriy vetrenko, warned that in winter the temperature in the room would be about 17-18°, 4° below normal and advised people to stock up blankets and warm clothes about it. he told the british press, as if hinting that help would not be superfluous here either. without financial support, we will not have enough gas, and this will mean that we will have very high risks of failure of the energy system, and apart from foreign aid, kiev has practically nothing to count on. now ukraine imports at least 40% of the gas it needs at market prices from europe. they stopped buying russian gas directly in the fourteenth, but continues to consume our gas. now from suppliers from the eu with its own production earlier ukraine covered almost 60% of the required gas at

the expense of its fields. trouble this year. about half of the gas fields. ukraine is located in the kharkiv region, where there are active hostilities, there is already a proposal at the highest level to simply steal russian gas that goes through the country to europe, they say. he also falls under the ukrainian law on the confiscation of russian assets and the most brilliant idea, stolen gas. you can once again sell to europeans, and send the money, of course. all needs. we really need to think. is it worth it to comply with the law and take russian gas by selling, which moscow finances its army , let me remind you that the confiscation of russian property is our legal duty. let's divide it into the political part and the economic part, about the political angri vladimirovich europe will help ukraine with gas, it will definitely help. that is, even here absolutely none.

show me, if you know when the heating season starts, what date is ukraine in europe it starts on october 10 correctly. and in europe, preparations for the heating season must begin immediately after the end of the previous heating season, which ends in march. why didn’t they help the previous month, only a month and a half was not there, because, excuse me, ukraine used to produce, as you know, 19 billion cubic meters of gas, as you know, last year it was enough to solve all problems, which used to be 20 billion , 19 billion were enough to solve all problems, which you counted , it seems to me that something does not converge with mathematics. somewhere there are billions that have lost additional gas and will continue to buy it. so they buy it now, you know, you can’t eat it. it has a diameter of underground storage that can pump a certain amount of gases per day. they don't

have time to prepare, that's the point, not really, you know? i'm just a second. i didn't hear the answers to the correct question of anton valeevich. and who will they take gas from, uh, who will they buy, yes, conditionally buy? greece the european union will pay 9 billion euros in aid hung in the structures of the european union dearly. yes, it has not hung up already, but already one and a half billion received one and a half billion the european bank in advance on account of the adoption of these 9 billion. these 9 billion . that's how i can example, yes,

let's interrupt. and you know even before all the events, but in november last year, a conflict arose with moldova. moldova had no money, really wanted to become europe, switched from gazprom to an exchange system, practically to an exchange pricing system and suddenly it turned out that the exchange system of tariffing? led to a sharp increase in prices there is no money, there is nothing to pay, and then moldova well, having heard that gazprom is offered well or prepaid, then we supply gas went just to the european union moldova which consumes 3 billion cubic meters, of which the territory controlled by chisinau consumes 1 billion 400 million . in a year. this is not ukraine 29-30 billion. this is 1 billion. e 400 she went to the european union and said the european union. help, please, we don't have money, what is he replied? in the european union, there is no money, hold out. ukraine is now at the center of the

confrontation with russia west for money you know for eight things for the definition of the european allies will stop supporting ukraine the americans lead to finance just about, and we see that they are in their interests not because they are interested in the life of ukrainians not because that they are interested in whether it will be cold or somehow else there residents do not understand. they will continue to fund. ukraine continued to fight. well the question is not the physical volume of gas, if there is not enough gas in europe itself, which is why the amount is already 3,000, and by winter it will cost even more. if it continues like this. now 2.900 two. it's very nice.

what is this again, you see the question, not the question of money, that the gases themselves are not enough. where will the gas to ukraine come from, when will there be enough and when will we hear and say that the gas should be confiscated, but this is just a brain explosion, because as soon as they do this , there will be no more gas in europe, there will be no more in europe, most fun they are probably not happy. for some, after all, we also have turbines there, which also need to be carried out those technical inspections can not be checked . so, it will soon be necessary to conduct another technical inspection on these problems as well. i wait for the witnesses, wait, without loss, it may not deliver to europe these conclusions of european various estimates, with all the embargo

sanctions, there and shocks, russia can exist on stocks for decades. uh, the museum of the game field of miracles loin. thank you very much please reverse i wanted to remind again, but money does not decide. everything can be allocated 10-20100 billion. they decide at what point about the reverse. here, let's see how the situation has evolved. and why if everything is so good they allocate money, they do the work in a month and a half, which is usually done within six months, which is impossible? well , let's imagine god with him. we live in a magical world of pink ponies or rainbow ponies. who likes it better, but what's the problem? and why did ukraine before that, which selected russian gas, well, on the bill virtual reverse, that is, i bought in europe, took it, took it from the pipe, it is now more precisely, now a month and a half ago, the same mr. windmill, which you showed and mr. macagon, which you did not show, but he answers, he said that now we have to engage in real reverse, that is, you will have to

deal with real reverse, and here the questions are really physical capabilities to deliver, that is, from the russian pipe, from which it was already taken away. there are 45 million cubic meters goes per day. this is very little. it should go 109.6 goes 45. so it turned out that it is impossible to take away from it, and everything that goes there settles in hungary . hungary still needs it through am. via well, through the turkish stream, indeed. in slovakia, there is no this gas, there is physically no excess gas, there is no 10 billion that are ready to be sold, and poland, through which they went on sale. she also does not have, physically, these volumes. here we were talking about the fact that they pumped into an underground storage, for example, in poland 100% underground storage. only poland consumes. 2 billion cubic meters, and the underground storage of 3.8 billion cubic meters is very easy to survive the winter at 3.8, by the way, they bought 10 billion from russia, but they will suffer and live through it. who argues, they will simply endure

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lead her sergeevich well, in the process of abundance, ah, it’s really going began, and the way out, it really threatens the fate of, uh, all the world civilization familiar to us, it is necessary for all sovereign states to unite in order to force rabid politicians to reason and create a system that will allow us to get away from this. and i think it will several years of stagnation in consumption, including those that will suffer psychologically, the middle class will suffer more, but in fact the poor in developed and developing countries, that is, here, and these are all development programs. well, i understood steadily. this is all going to hell valeevich. well, of course, good always comes to the era of discord and so that the age of discord does not turn into an era of global war. we need smart leaders, smart

politicians who will steer their ships out of this conversation. unfortunately, in europe there are no politicians now, you live. well, we europeans are in for hard times, because as far as the economy is concerned, we are trying to tighten our belts. unfortunately, the forecast is not optimistic in this sense and for several years, at least. it will be so andrey vladimirovich the process of loss of abundance. i think europe simply won’t notice, but it will have to notice alexander sergeevich the process went on before the industrialization of europe began in the summer of 2021 , the first large enterprises began to close in the second half of the twenty- first year. now this process will only grow and the only question is where these enterprises will go and, but less developed countries in the current situation, they get more chances for development, the process started went even during the pandemic. unfortunately. now it is acquiring the features of irreversible processes, let's roll. we're all sorry expression in the ass. somewhere around

april, i wrote a large decimal in the telegram channel. of course. so there, uh, i wrote, not only about the economy. this is not only a matter of the level of well-being. it's all about things like civil liberties the world will be completely different. if something is not done in time now. the era of abundance in europe to spend the night in 1900, probably 46-47, and lasted about two decades. then work ceased to be a privilege. people began to receive a lot of household appliances, which have now become absolutely commonplace for us. tires began to do something like luxury, i'm all for what the era of abundance in europe began after the great war. i hope that the next epoch of abundance will not begin simply, but somehow we get too gloomy forecasts , so i remind you that the process of my you did not communicate. it continues. i invite you. so remember, yes, saturday, gelendzhik city deka on sunday anapa summer and muscovites' suffering on october 8, a big cinema house, come talk, we will share, including

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