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true, good evening worked at the zaporozhye station, met with the residents of energodar let's see how it happened. please help us to stop this, our children do not take to the streets. today is the first of september. our children didn't go to school magate 20,000 signatures asking them to stop ukrainian strikes on energy supplies because of the grosse zaporozhye nuclear power plant. he promised to help, but will he be able and, most importantly, he will want, damn it, for today day we observe how they strenuously destroy exactly the very world order, which they themselves have

established to answer. our minister of foreign affairs has stated harshly, but how exactly, this is what we will talk about in detail today. if i start, let's see another statement of the grosse, yes, he talked to them with people, then he made a statement. let's listen to this statement and i 'll ask later. in a few hours of work at the zaporozhye nuclear power plant, we managed to collect a lot of important information, key things that i wanted to see, i saw. for several hours of work worked out, they are 3 hours. here i have such a simple question, and why did they come for 3 hours, that you could see what exactly they wanted to see. you have information to find. i have, of course, no information, other than that there is a public field. no, you know, i already feel sorry for this poor rafael rafik in advance, because he has

two ways out, so he either has to make a deal with his conscience and speak out in the sense that russia is shelling it and not condemn ukraine perfectly, understanding, having been there, talking with people and seeing what he saw, he cannot but understand what is really happening, or he simply has to stop himself from these statements of statements, that is, to keep silent. this is his first outing. the second way out is if he tells the truth, which he certainly already knows now, then we are right here, i am ready to bet now that within a few days, maybe weeks, he will find some kind of girl or guy that he has been pestering for 25 years back or some underpaid tax or something, some little girl will say that he patted her wrong on the shoulder there and there will be some big scandal with him. we remember such cases many of them were in

our modern history hit, in short. rafik got it. yes, i'm just. you know, i watched all these events that unfolded for quite a long time around the zaporozhye station. i tried to understand everything, i don't understand anything at all. i don't understand why ukraine is hitting this station? i do not understand how, in principle, someone. and yes, wherever they were not, in general, someone, in principle, can seriously consider the version that it is russia that is hitting a nuclear power plant, which they themselves control, knowing perfectly well what all this can lead to and the third thing, sergey borisovich, which i also don’t understand . why, after all, experts came there, they came in order to fix what, and the fire is fired from one side on the other from the twentieth thirtieth in order to measure the level of radiation in order to be like, let's say, i don’t i know by station management for what they came there? what is the meaning of this operation, the meaning of the operation is that the

mgt is on e itself, oversees all nuclear facilities of this kind, including the zaporozhye nuclear power plants, which means that both ukraine and russia agreed, moreover, russia insisted on this mission, this and uh , hastened this mission. eh, so it wasn't some kind of e not some surprise for that. it is clear further that it is still curious with this mission. uh, rafael grosek, by the way, so far, uh, has proven himself to be a reliable professional. he is emphatically trying to be depoliticized. he says i don't get into political polemics. i have a mandate from the ite, authorized from that to organizations and i have to make sure that the station is functioning reliably , that there is no threat of blowing up just that. yes. wait, that's where it shoots. no, wait, i wo n't understand this, he says, how is he? well, wait, listen, what the station is functioning. it's thank god it's working

on it we all know without leaving the place, not that it just produces electricity, what's there, by the way, out of six units, only one is not operating at full capacity, and that was a pre -emergency situation when the power supply of the cooling unit was damaged, the preliminary situation was this, so i must make sure that there is no direct threat of a man-made disaster with colossal tragic consequences, at least for europe and that, under normal conditions , the staff works and that there is some kind of reliability in this whole situation. that's all. he is there more, that there is hope and russia. by the way, it is necessary to insist there and suggests something there will remain a monitoring mission for everything is already a consequence, he goes to the station why because the station is being shelled, if the station is being shelled, how can there be no risk that a catastrophe will happen there? i don’t understand for it. it was necessary to include it there, you really

understand any military actions near the station, while he does not comment on military actions. how can there be no threat of a man-made disaster at a facility at a nuclear power plant, which is shelled daily, and how can these two topics be separated, after all, the threat is not due to the fact that there i don’t know whether the dnieper overflowed its banks or an earthquake or some other natural things. you can look to search. no, you know, it's built so solidly. she will endure twelve points and the water will not reach her. no, we are talking about the fact that well, today they got there, and tomorrow they will get there. here and there then there will be a man-made disaster to be sure. as you can see one is not talking about the other. if i may, i also wanted to add that we have not yet officially recognized these territories as ours . russian, but ukraine has already

recognized them as our russian de facto because ukraine is at war, with whom is it shelling zaporozhye from russia ? no, of course, she is shelling the territory, which she herself already considers ours. thanks to them for this, not for shelling and for the fact that they thereby admit that it is our war as a whole that military operations will definitely not stop. well, you know, it cost them there to call in, by the way, the shelling of the station itself has stopped, er, and if there is a permanent observation mission. i think that at least the very territory of the station and the reactor blocks will definitely not be shelled by anyone, so that doesn’t mean, let’s listen to the statement of our minister of foreign affairs, he tells, in principle, in principle, and what exactly did we expect from russia, we continue wait. let's see. we expect

objectivity. well, this is, uh, a ukrainian twist. here is here, as want so and doctor. yes, you agreed on everything there. it is like monsieur grosse. come to me in kiev, you understand such napoleonic things, they look pathetic. this is an attempt to change. these external kvn are some kind of staged effects. uh, real serious work, yes. in this case, but on the issue of nuclear security, at our insistence, the mission should have, uh, ballistics experts. so hopefully we learn something. or rather, they all know this, but i hope that the world community will also have such opportunities. here is the key story. we were expecting a ballistics expert to be on the rich mission. he is. now we are waiting. well, let's call things by their proper names. we expect that the rich arriving there. here they went. how long have they been there for the whole day, yes,

they got there, at the beginning they went to kiev there by the handle or with zelensky, then they went, then they stood, and at the entrance mm. actually directly to our already territory, which we control in the queue. as we were told without special passes. that's all, this time the station continued to shell this time and they know it. it's 100%. among other things, the landing force landed in order to capture this station, sabotage groups went there. we know that too, and they know it because they read the news. now we look, they come for 3 hours , they worked out ballistics. there they are, let's say, once again once again, and they understand that shelling is coming from the ukrainian side vladimir vladimirovich what do you think, our expectations are that an objective report will appear on the gatt. well, here, do you think they will come true or not, they will move on to this, but first, if you can throw a few words in defense. eh, he ’s not a nuclear scientist, he’s a diplomat with 35 years of

experience, he worked for the argentine ministry of foreign affairs in various structures in the argentine media and so on. that is, on the spot, for sure, he could not determine where the projectile came from, not how dangerous or not dangerous there was, the radiation situation. he brought this mission. he fulfilled his function honor and praise to him. thank you for this, and then the mission works. in fact, it will probably work permanently, at least. some of her representatives. this is with regard to grosse at the expense of an objective report. by the way, yes, indeed , the iaea immediately stated that we were not going to assess where they fired from and who fired. this is not our mandate, and then, as lavrov said, yes , we insisted on including ballistics experts. i hope, of course, he studied all this on the spot there. and there, well, to be honest, and not experts. it’s clear that i’m aware, by chance an expert in ballistics, i honestly don’t know which country, yes, that’s a good one. but at the same time, uh, why? i do not think that

there will be an objective report and i urge you not to overestimate the significance and role of this mission. it is absolutely right here about numerous cases, how the maids there about the candidates with the president of the most popular candidate for the presidency of france withdrew one complaint from the elections and there are many such examples, but at the same time they have before their eyes an example of amnesty international that dared to say, well obvious things, again, they are on youtube, that is, it would be difficult not to notice them and not recognize them. they would be difficult, but obviously war crimes of ukraine yes, you see what the international is doing now, they have been crucified, they have been torn apart, they are being demanded to be closed, it’s not yet a fact that they will survive at all after all these, yes, and sanctions and sanctions against them lead and sponsorship, deprive and so on. what an international structure, seeing all this, being in its right mind. maybe write something. more or less objectively, you simply

know that this international structure in zaporizhia was demanded by us to the security council. he'll consider. we 'll talk about it now. yes? of course we want objectivity, of course, we hope for it, what remains for us to do and e for this. yes indeed we attract all we are open we attract journalists. we attract specialists, we prepare and show. we demonstrate our openness. but uh, i think you know some kind of half-hearted, at least uh, mgt report will present, not ours not yours, and emphasize the need to stop. there are fighting and so on. personally, i support the appeal of ukraine. to debilitarize the zaporozhye nuclear power plant , move the ukrainian troops so that there is no inaccessibility of shelling by ukrainian highmors, which are controlled by typical ukrainians through a typical ukrainian satellite. yes, then, really,

please go to poland, and with that, we will accomplish this demilitarization and calm the local population at the same time. see that the western media are dispersing the last uh at the moment when this mission was already arriving with the british media immediately rushed to write. well, afraid of what will happen, uh, there the journalists will notice and see. yes, look, the workers of the nuclear power plant are being tortured . they are torturers. after torture, they come back to work, and they brought actors who will be placed by a person in each room. i'm the daily telegraph, it's not some tabloid press. yes, uh, your man will be placed in every room, who will shout to the passing mission, how happy they are that russia has come, but in zaporozhye. that is, this is in all seriousness. you know, just in case, that is, they are still afraid that they will see and hear this mission. and that she will write her reports. so there is something similar in the west too. do you have an understanding, personally, who do you

shelling the zaporozhye station i have no idea, because i'm not there. and the other side speaks absolutely demetrically, let’s assume for sure that baikal holocaust is what i know, but you were not there, and different sides say different things, but the fact is that the question is wait, tell us why did it happen and we have access to information. we can weigh who committed? what crimes now it is impossible for us. why bombard the zaporozhye station, if we have it under control, logic is, of course, the only logic. i wait. no, i'm talking to know what will happen if something happens from the station. well, after us, at least you understand the flood? i am after us. we are there, i say that this, of course, is unlikely. i'm talking about the logic of the existence of this version. no more than that, there is no

logic here, you see, if there was logic, i would not ask this question. there is no logic, logic, as it sees, this is purely in blackmail to blackmail the west of ukraine that there is an opportunity to earn money. this is already enough to scare ukraine into pushing them into some kind of compromise they didn't want to make. would be their compromise, i explain it to the logic. we don't need michael. explosion we have control. i have already said the distance, because the retinue we do not know where to think, how the terrorists are doing to push the west to the west yes ukraine to get subscribers to any agreement of any

compact, whether the agreement is to avoid i am not a war, because i am one war a clear disaster hangs . it is better now to sign any agreement with russia to resolve this issue, if i explain for a second, if the nuclear plant is exactly, which there are five to the full west two rivne khmelnitsa, if the western station in rovno is shelled, who will shell it? what do you think, well there are shelled do not go? if i say yes if if if uh who shot her, i don't know, i don't know. well, you know, i'm here, i'm watching everything for this, here's my word of honor. all this is reminiscent. just absolute madness. that's just crazy, but first, well, wait michael wait a minute, if, according to your logic, yes, it turns out that the obvious thing is supporting the state of a terrorist. it is ukraine

a terrorist state that shoots at a nuclear power plant. and here the logic is visible from all sides. ugh don't get it. you to no one. they understand that they will never get this station again. they understand that they can never get those territories that are under our control, and therefore, as margarita simona said, they no longer consider this to be their territories. and if these are foreign enemy territories, then you and this is logic, it is a reinforced concrete gland, and your logic. she 's flawed, math. you asked what is the logic dominates in the west, i explained, this is not my personal in the west. i do not believe that fools live there. well, i don't believe it, although i have a second now, vladimir vladimirovich okay, americans. they are their logic to us, it is clear they are always sitting there across this ocean. let them not care. in fact, the reactor at the zaporozhye station will explode

, bulgaria, romania, there, the poles, ukraine , russia, will suffer there. they just don’t give a damn, but germany for a second. she is not understood by the ocean in germany, who shells the station in germany understand. to what is it? may result? if yes, then where are the heroic, actually statements of berlin, explain to me, we will not wait, neither heroic nor other statements in berlin at the moment. they still. come on, so they are hybrid participants in the conflict, well in germany now from france or those who supply weapons, but about the station, the discussion is really serious and strong and uh, the rich have several functions, in fact one of these functions is to either confirm, or deny that ukraine was either preparing or could to prepare some kind of nuclear weapon, there are dirty bombs or something else, this is just good within the framework of the iaea, respectively, further this trump card appears in ukraine. like, we didn't. we did not pose a threat, or vice versa, russia will

indeed have a trump. they wanted it once or twice. uh, the iaea can confirm that such and such a projectile of such and such a hummingbird, when it hits exactly this point , will do what everyone is afraid of, a catastrophe will happen, and they know exactly where the weak points are and these weak points. you need to look here block that does not work, and here is a substation. and here cooling filters protect. something they , too, can fix it. it is very important that we listen to zelensky what zelensky proposed tonight. he proposed that ukraine become a green energy hub. europe, because the zaporizhia nuclear power plant is the largest. total comrade germans will supply energy only you let us howitzer tanks so that we take the nuclear power plant back to us. i even sent a paratrooper. well died, well failed, but in fact, think about it fellow europeans. this station will be better for ours than theirs, and a piece of a pie, a fat one, in fact, such a large nuclear power plant that will sell electricity to ukraine and europe and blink

when they speak, they perceive it, like russians absolutely 100% right. but imagine that there is the entire german auto industry. suddenly it becomes russian or the entire nuclear power industry of ukraine becomes all russian. they were dreaming. they have already sold kilowatts. that's what it is zelensky's thinking too let's give the status of neutrality, then un representatives will arrive there, almost we will introduce peacekeeping troops there. the main thing is that they can de facto sell electricity, this is a serious conversation. and if he does go to specifically to a nuclear holocaust to what's going on? i have never seen such a throwing of journalists editors who describe it like this, well, during the war we cannot establish the truth, but, in principle, russians do not fire at russians, therefore, logically, now we need to turn to zelensky, maybe through the turks, who have learned how to talk to him somehow reach they have a bad relationship. they are now saying that yes, turkey is also actually an enemy, because it allows russian ships and ships to pass through the bosphorus,

and they can transport a system of weapons that russia then transfers. actually the war zone. they are looking for a way out. why because understand? who is to blame for the disaster, if it actually happens it will be too late, and i heard with logic, only to me, it seems that mike was very cunning, as always, he slipped it. you know, it's not clear who he called a terrorist, do you understand? you know, my native city is the most beautiful, the city of lvov is very beautiful and it stands. touched and it seems, american ambassadors go for a walk there to all the best restaurants, they say, they leave a tip as much as two bucks, you know, it's a shame, by the way, if we look at eastern ukraine , then there is logic, if not ours, then let it all be stuffed with economics. let it all be destroyed. let the people be afraid and live in the traditional land of this indeed the logic of terrorism. and this terrorism is clearly identified. i agree completely with lavr, who said that this is some kind of kvnschina, but my interpretation of the phrase, because this is not

state thinking, there will be terrorism. there is a statement on behalf of our ministry of defense and the ministry of foreign affairs. let's step. let's look at the objects of the nuclear power plants in kiev - the real burden of a nuclear catastrophe in europe according to international law. this is nothing but nuclear terrorism. so it is. and zakharov ministry foreign affairs, what the kiev regime is doing around the zaporizhzhya nuclear terrorism station, of course, it happens only with those who have nuclear weapons or dirty nuclear weapons, this happens, including the way we see now, and if we are with you michael let us also recall the statement actually made by some ukrainian comrades who are in charge of this very country that there is no need to create an atomic bomb and nuclear weapons there. why do we need to do this on our territory there are quite a lot of nuclear power plants and in the case need. they can be blown up and there is a

dirty nuclear bomb. it’s exactly, and it looks like they themselves are talking about it on the sixth, sergey borisovich said correctly on september 6, the un will consider the actual situation related to the zaporozhye station, the americans are ready to discuss this issue, but they are ready to believe the report of the magte, as part of the e, delegation, which there are no representatives of the united states but are ready. yes hmm okay , let's wait and see, it depends on how much it will be, if your version of yes is exactly, it is. if your version is true, if indeed ukraine is shelling this is this station , of course, this, of course, is unacceptable, and they, of course, ukraine should refrain, despite the fact that they believe ukraine believes that a in russia is hiding behind this station and an examination from there, but all the same, and given the danger, ukraine should refrain. but when we talk about the fact that ukraine violates all

security rules and investigate alleged shelling, we forget about one very important thing. that the very fact that this nuclear power plant, the largest in europe , is under the control of one side of the conflict, this is already a fact itself, thus. this is already contrary to the basic principle of security. here lies the basis of the problem, not what the problem is. and if here on the other side of the conflict, it belongs to the logic to hell, what's the problem now, they came to this station. if you think that this is a problem, then this is a problem, just the elementary iaea arrived for 3 hours, they worked for 3 hours. they already saw that the station it works fine, that people work super professionally, the staff means the station

that and people work selflessly, despite the conditions under which they have to. actually work. they saw all this, that there is no such danger, that it is important that they have not yet seen that there are no heavy weapons and warehouses and supplies. they said about it probably there is no danger here. here, everything is just fine. the danger is a little different. well, you stubbornly do not notice it. it seems to me sergey that the result of the work of the iaea should consist. here, in what they should not only just come and gray out the state of affairs that is happening there should be worth a comma with further actions if they arrived. when shelling comes from the other side, they must make sure that there are no shelling, but the question is whether they can do it? let's take a break now and come back to this studio in just a few minutes and continue our very interesting conversation with our guests. how

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season from september 5 on ntv this program is true, we continue to talk with our guests about the situation around the zaporozhye station results of the iaea mission so sergei sushilov. what do you think, i am right, in general, in principle, in my reasoning, what this whole story should have led to remains open, but our discussion shows that so far this is all hanging in the air. you understand, and what's the thing here, but the problem is that a quit, a going there with your team. yes, in fact, he stepped into a minefield for himself, we start from where we started, but margarita modeled two plots. so let's have two scenario possibilities. yes so, and i'm fate, yes, yes. i'm wondering if a

third plot is possible. look, now i'm simulating the situation. imagine, i quit. yes, i have thirty-five years of experience. by the way, yes grated kalach yes, i understand that i can now sleep. yes , very much about elementary yes, so how can i remain a man on the one hand and professionals on the other hand, not with the police, given that there is a colossal order to simply tax russia in full. i start thinking frantically. so what do i like me pass between the power and kharib between yes and then i make a decision, so, but on the one hand. i understand that if yes, i don't want a boy or a girl planted. yes? yes, that's it. but at the same time, i don't want to trample myself in front of my eyes. these are the people that i met, whom i pretended to listen to, yes, who turn to me, and then i make such a half-hearted decision not to say yes or no, i leave out the

question of who shoots the good my mandate. yes, the ballistics expert allows me, but it is one main this function to fix the technical condition. and i conscientiously write that this is the technical condition. yes, that's the technique here is the degree of security. here is the same inside. let him understand, actually look first. yes, everyone understands everything, everyone understands everything. look, and he understands that the problem is not this, the problem is that there is a lot of internal censorship and self-censorship, when people, by virtue of some kind, are expedient. political can not say what needs to be said. this is where the problem is. you see so michael is great. do you know what it shoots? ukraine he doesn't speak here. although, he understands this, if he comes out of here somewhere, he will say there for coffee or somewhere, well, here under the camera he cannot say, because he plays a role and threatens also plays a role in this problem, you understand,

therefore, a i cannot fully agree with volodya about objectively volodya what we put into the concept objectively. it seems to me that the word is objectively not exactly full incomplete too volodya full incomplete you see, it’s biased in the sense that that we are all, of course, waiting here. so here it is, syncretically. yes, since some uncles have arrived. yes, orbiters. well, damn it, well, let them say who is shooting, but they can hide their technical cocoon in this cocoon and say that this is not ours. here we are humanoids, we do not know about it. we see that there is some kind of hole, from where, when we don’t know, we can say that there is a hole, and here, and the thickness is like this what, look, the leaks are like this and everything goes into technism and everything will leave it out of the brackets and then i won't sleep watching sergey here it is. i am i understand what you are talking about, but they are the same, leaving their employees at the station. then they

take risks. that's because these employees will sit there, they will be fired on from the other side all the time. they will see it and say nothing. and if one of them dies, they will still pretend that nothing happened, no one fired. he just slipped. and personally , i see that i am not a nuclear scientist, you know, well, i see this as a good sign, because it seems to me that here is a bunch, but still a deeply decent person. although there are a bunch of red flags. he understands and leaves the experts there. it is possible that this also complicates the main implementation of the main plan of the scenario, because why is it all arranged, do you need bucha 2-0 or 3.0 or 5:0, do you understand? and now, if this one, if experts remain there, then it may be quite realistic that it will go awry, you understand this scenario, someone will say. yes? no, we’re turning off, we won’t shoot, everything doesn’t work out. make a story that russia is a nuclear

terrorist and you understand everything. i won't break it. that is, they will tell a half-truth, but this half-truth will be enough to understand, because they will rip off shortly. come on, maybe now friends, maybe, yes, maybe, yes, maybe , but i remember, you know, that you are trying to understand all the time, and how this structure works in general, in principle, yes, i personally saw and you've seen everything there. and how did this structure work in iraq for a second. there were the same un experts right there, who were intensively looking for weapons of mass destruction there for hussein's soldier mohammed al-baradei, who was before of how rafael grossel would have repeatedly flown to ira. well, it wasn’t. wasn’t it. and what we saw, we saw at the beginning, it means that richard butler appeared on the show, in my opinion. this was the first leader of the expert group, who all the time told us some strange things that we could not even decipher to a simple question. iraq has the production of weapons, the oil of destruction. he

started and ended with the weather. it was impossible to understand among the people, then hans blix appeared, if i'm not mistaken, the next person is the head of these the most experts. ltd. to the question whether iraq has weapons of mass destruction, un experts, who have already climbed absolutely everything, we filmed almost every one of these experts there. we already knew them all, we crawled with them into every hole, crawled into each one, in every warehouse, even went to the mosques, where they were looking for weapons of mass destruction, the iraqi leadership came out to the palaces. please tell me , mister, iraq has weapons of mass destruction and it started time , and everything again to the weather among the people. that's all, he said that there is, but he didn't even say no sergey borisovich well , that makes it easier for me. if this station is being shelled, then it is being shelled. and that's it, if

we reduce it to the weather in nairoba, it means that one way or another we will come to this nuclear catastrophe, because they do not stop these shelling. here's the thing, with cancer it was george jr., for whom the fucking obsession was to deal with you at any cost. it would be 10, damn it, or 20 rubles. anyway, the verdict was already signed already annushka e, you spilled oil, that's all you understand, and by the way, bush stepped over, he crossed everything through russia through france through germany without a mandate from the security council, he started this, they waved the test tubes and that’s it, so the situation here is a little different now here the situation is whether it will be possible to arrange now uah a grand man-made disaster? here is an informational provocation, if god forbid something happens, just expose russia to a colossal material moral political

bill for what it has not done. that's why if, for example, it succeeds in some way, which , so to speak, goes on scandals with or to its feet, some weights are tied, but it somehow walks. and he, apparently. i think so, i'm not familiar with him. my intuition tells me that after all he is a decent person. you see, the way he looks, i follow how he made his way, how he wanted to go. yes? maybe he will be able to thwart this information of the lord is an important detail that sheds light on e, the motivation of the storm. here he is, when he arrived there, before going to station he was in kiev. he had a conversation with president zelensky, and there some conditions were set for him, in particular the conditions that he would take over. here in this convoy of nine cars there with the inscription urn uni nations he will take journalists of the free press. and that they will not just ride in separate cars. and they will also sit in the same cars so that they will definitely be let through.

and when they drove to the checkpoint of the station, it was already russian. there they checked all the documents and journalists, they said they dropped them off. uh, iaea come through, but the journalists were not allowed in and, uh, it was expected. uh, from the ukrainian side, that the grosse will rear up here and say no, just either let everyone through or so we turn around and leave, and he said, ok, and they passed. and this caused a terrible scandal and, uh, grosse is now accused in kiev of precisely this, that he is participating in the performance. here. eh, so what? this is about a fanation, not a mission. and that we will not believe any conclusion now, because all this was not observed by journalists who were supposed to observe. not to me, not to you, not even a t-shirt episode. i want to say that he is trying to be emphatically depoliticized and carry out this mission to the

end. uh, i hope he succeeds, so that the most important thing is danger. no one really who wins the controversy around this station so that this station doesn't fucking explode, really. and this is the main one and putin, at least he will definitely focus on this. good? yes, that's absolutely right. this is the most important thing we need. i have a question margarita why are we looking here? i am now i will explain my logic. and remember, when ukraine began shelling the zaporizhia plant, which happened immediately after the first shelling, as they say, when we were just wondering, when we saw these first shelling , we could not believe that they could shoot at the nuclear power plant. and now we are already discussing this, but it was impossible to believe in it at the first moment, but immediately almost after these shellings, statements by mr. zelensky appeared. do you remember where he said russia should

recognize the state as terrorists. you remember several of his statements. it was a story that he pushed hard through, that russia should be recognized as a terrorist state. we have all the cards in our hands. why do we not recognize ukraine as a state of terrorists. we are many things. why don't we do it? we often discuss. yes, in terms of their supplies and well, why uh-huh, different strings of ropes that you could pull. in such cases, i always stick to chrome. one thought of the idea of ​​value, or what? well, hardly people who make these decisions are stupid. we are unlikely, probably, they have some considerations of some information, some plans, about which we do not know and we do not need to know now, because everyone knows about what many know about it. but this

plan can interfere with this, and this is a lot, a lot, maybe in accordance with our plan, we are counting. i don't know, i'm arguing, maybe we are counting on what will now appear. here is the same report. we are where it will be fixed who fires at the porozhsky station, maybe. after that, we will accept this is the solution. quite possibly. do you remember, we talked with you for 8 years. why russia does not liberate donbass and then it became clear. why? because if they did it immediately afterwards, the economic ones did it for the country without being prepared , yes, and the military and so on would be much more serious. than now, after all, the sanctions that have been imposed against us. they were sure that these sanctions would strangle us. every day some western press and a reputable publication come out. they are not yellow, who are perplexed, they wanted to gloat, but on the contrary, they feel sorry for them even how it is, when they are already about to die, when and

we all thank god in any way, but this also required some preparation. moreover, the preparation is quiet, it was impossible to announce, you know, we will start in 8 years. now we need to spread the straw here, prepare here. here, uh, negotiate there with our other partners. eh, let's get started then. no, on the twenty-fourth of february we realized that all this had been done all this time. i assume that you may very well be right. now. let it not be us who say it, because, well our word for nato for the western world. that our word is what we say so much. and what do you say to me? this is a question, what will they hear from you and whether they will hear, but it’s impossible not to hear the official statement of the iaea, it’s not such a degree of deafness as not to hear the official statement of the mgt, and then maybe, uh-huh by the way, there was a discussion ukraine submitted the issue for discussion at the un and a. there is a significant drop in the actual

supporters, and you know these figures for accusations against russia. yes? michael now the guys will show these numbers we have. let's show of the 193 un countries that joined the anti-russian statement on the situation in ukraine, see michael at the beginning of march 2 , there were 141 votes, and on august 25, yes, 54, 54, that is, only 54 of these 54. how many nato countries are 29? how many of them are there 30 in total 24 countries, 32? finland well, well, finland sweden but if we also remember new zealand here, yes, if we also remember australia, then we understand that there are very few supporters. yes, sergey ivanovich is changing his mood. how do you think we get it? well, some moods are changing and you know the american press - this is directly recognized. there are even a lot of

such analytical serious articles, actually about the problem of the global south for america, as they call it the problems of latin america, asia and so on, and they really think about how to deal with it. they think about how to influence them terribly in the information field. they are worried that some russian media are not blocked in these countries, and so on, that is, in this regard. america will not, watching itself. here, in zaporizhia, if we return watching the shelling of a nuclear power plant, they finally, with whom we are dealing, questions are really asked there. well, here you know what is most interesting. they start asking really uncomfortable seditious questions in the western media and thanks, by the way, to boris johnson. uh-huh it was he, being in kiev, i don’t know , deliberately thoughtlessly the last time he was there, he directly linked all the problems of the british with ukraine, this he told the british. there is really everything before the social revolt. costs energetically, these bills are growing at an incredible

rate. there, very serious social problems will change, so what did he say? so what, he also advised dancing to pay. ukraine literally and you know, this is a quote all of a sudden, but it prompted people there to ask, really a question, so wait . it turns out these are my bills. i have to pay for these ukrainians. yes, and i look, articles suddenly appear, really, sensible, such as do not allow, which were unacceptable in the british mainstream. media for another three or four weeks back. yes, i really don’t like about spring there and so on, when there is a veteran, er, british journalism. hitchins, says, listen, so we can stop supplying weapons to ukraine yes, because. we bring problems to ourselves, as we see to the ukrainians, who continue to die and the war will not bring anything other than blood, death, and so on. and now you know once again we understand this, this is a logical statement of the question, but it

was unacceptable in the british mainstream. media until very recently. thanks to boris johnson. by the way, linked directly to your article. wait, he says, i'm not talking. johnson has tied these very problems together. so i think this is just the beginning. i hope for your purpose they blow up people here with us. here are the arcs we blew up. what do you think they did? who are they we are talking about michael we are talking about zanzibar or about ukraine, i think, because, well, i have already answered this question. i think everything is fine. well unbelievable. this means, please, i wait, not they are unlikely, but margarita to him, he is not a threat who sends. she herself, probably not me i think, probably, these grammatovich for sure, yes, who sends. this margarita simon may not have

come out to him. yes, you didn't see it. this is mike, this is probably sergey borisovich sending. yes, there are signatures on decrees. their passport details of these comrades are also indicated there. you see, according to the decrees of sergeevich, i am with them fortunately. i don’t know, but there is also an appendix to this piece of paper, where here is the data of all these people, how the trial went. who here, what were who and so on. but what’s interesting, look, and the faces of president putin’s propaganda both at the international level and and inside russia and she knows how to pass off the leader as the truth, and don’t smile with a smile anymore, yes, and with a smile she secured the role of a prolific

supplier of kremlin disinformation as russia further invades ukraine and this statement is made by the state department, usa and you know, in what is interesting? every time margarita simonov receives some kind of threat, there is a statement from the state department, the united states, or some big article in some newspaper? i just drew attention to it . i'm thinking margarita and you paid attention to it's attention. i understand why this is being done, that it is so unconditionally. it is absolutely. this is the legalization of this threat, that this is a dehumanization of me, that i am not a person. i'm kremlin propaganda so here's a slow indulgence. well , this is how it should be, how else to deal with the kremlin propagandists. and when it says this for a whole year, it's not just some kind of ours there, shushara yes, but the whole guzee, they seem to say, yes, go ahead. come on, let's do it. it's impossible to believe it. yes it happens i drew just on

this attention is such an informational cover. yes, and really a push, or something, i gave to all this, i wanted to answer a question about the change in the figure in march of 140 countries against russia, now i noticed all 54 are written there. yes, i think that one of the main reasons why it is changing dramatically i think that one of the most important teachings is russia is changing russia's posture is the expansion of the work of margarita and therefore this department tells the state what needs to be done with the leadership that is why this causes such a reaction from the united states on the island, i write them, and they point azov people and others at me, therefore, because they themselves write about it. and you rightly spoke about this now, they are furious that the balance of power is changing, that people are beginning to understand something, that they vote differently. they themselves consider. this is what they write. this is not me boasting. that is, they write that this is happening? because they failed to shut up, rush there and satellite. we and

where we were not closed doubled tripled even more than us, the audience increased, and where we are they we were closed. we just go under other brands. i won’t talk about the whole technology, then we do it, but nevertheless we go out and convey the message. they see it their intelligence services. they see it. they publish an endless investigation about this, one is closed. in a day we open the next one that infuriates them. you understand that, here's mcfall, the former ambassador. he writes it openly. he first wrote there years ago 5-10 years ago. he wrote on his twitter that i would like margarita to work on our side called do not wait for her to build this with us . now he writes. that's about the same spirit that i'm basically not a person and that's it. all these threats are well-deserved. well, you know, i don’t give a damn about it, we are on the air too much now, to be honest, we even paid attention to it somehow immodestly on my part, i really don’t give a damn about it. i serve my motherland and i am proud that my motherland gave me such an opportunity. and such an honor, and if here, on another

topic, on the most important one, then in fact the topic is people began to think and write, yes, hitchins and so on, why do we supply weapons, because this leads to the fifth to tenth, because people understand and cannot help but understand that these territories will not remain with ukraine for one simple reason not because that putin is so greedy, and we are all so greedy, and we all have such imperial ambitions, and we had to cling to this incredible territory from moscow to the outskirts. a little more from kaliningrad, not for this reason, but because the people who live there do not want to live in ukraine and do not want to be ukrainians for 30 years. ukraine did not convince them that they could at least coexist, on the contrary, every year. she crushed them more and more, strangled them and thus forced them. wanting to live in ukraine, this gang rape cannot last forever.

it must be stopped and will be stopped, supplying weapons, don’t supply only the term depends on it, not the result, vladimir vladimirovich and the germans, what they say, here they are they seem to sympathize with the ukrainians, they accepted germany there hosted a large number of people. i do n’t even know how much anymore, and everyone sympathizes with everyone in a row, but they also observe that children cannot go to school normally, because on september 1 they hit schools. they see how ordinary people are killed every day during the shelling of peaceful cities. they see it. they cannot see. they see. they see how they throw. actually. these minami are peaceful cities. this too. they see what they say, just ordinary germans. here i have, yes, to discuss, what do politicians say? how are they they say how they present it, but even already there, let's say ber, god is already saying that he is no longer

able to supply weapons. and then the wave began. i am generally confused, because scholz comes out, who says we will not supply anything else. they themselves have almost nothing left. then he made the same statement to britain. well, then it appears, either anatoly lena who says that hmm no, we will still deliver and, as she said, even. if not, even if you don't like it, if it's a statement, show me his. yes, yes, it was great. it was wonderful. let's get it here. this is russian propaganda. if i promise the people of ukraine that we will be by your side as long as you need us, then i want to fulfill this , no matter what my german voters think. i want to keep my promise to the ukrainians. winter is coming, and we democratic politicians will face criticism. people will take to the streets and say we ca n't pay our electricity bills. and i will answer.

yes, i know, we will provide you with social support, but i will not say. well, then we will remove the sanctions against we will be with russia from ukraine and this means that the sanctions will remain for the winter, even if the politicians have a very difficult time for us, wonderful, simply wonderful. yes, you know. now they're even further away than when they heard how anna lena and it made this statement. they probably reacted in the same way as margarita did now, but it was impossible to say about it, and therefore they decided to say that it turns out that we invented it, this is kremlin propaganda and in fact. this is no longer anna and not lena, this is probably margarita again simona instead of her, it means she is carrying this nonsense, the video was taken out of context, an incomplete video and some other incomplete video, but as usual. here is your flawed logic, but the germans, the germans, how they reacted to

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the time, i'm an avatar. tomorrow 20:10 on ntv eto the program is true we continue to play with our guests the situation in ukraine vladimir vladimirovich what do the germans say when they watch these amazing statements. well, first of all, i sympathize with them for all germans. it's hard when not very deeply moral people promised voters with you, for example, she promised, she is this party of green and vice-can habok, that, for example, weapons will never be delivered to the conflict zone, wherever it happens, because it's extra death. this is the philosophy of the green parties. wait, the green ones - aren't they the ones that will never work again, right? yep, that's all. they are. at the same time, they are the same that we will

not buy, uh, in countries where, for example, for homosexual the death penalty, gas. this is also them and she promised this to the voters of the voters for this. well, they gave her the right to represent them in the bundestag as soon as she climbed the bonus. so she does. she says listen selectively. and i'm stupid for you. and you're a real sucker. remember zelensky's phrase. i'm not a goof. here she is yesterday's moral today elevated to the rank of immoral. ahh morality, that is, substitute weapons in the conflict, where there are civilians, so that schools do not work. now this is a new morality, and she tells me to spit on what you gave me they say the germans. uh, i can state the fact that the guerrilla here is the sub telegram instagram movement has gained such momentum. and when you get the right mailing from completely different social strata, that is, they do not intersect with each other and you see the same context? tours, i think he is elena burbuk or with the help of a very tough dictatorship, when she

says, there is democracy, people will take to the streets already, everyone is talking about the fact that ukraine was entered on your electricity bill and this is not a joke. that is, you really have to give up a minimum, either from a trip to christmas to your parents, which is a classic of the genre, but a cultural rite, or from your summer graduation, because this one will pay this ukrainian tax, everyone already says that it exists in such a pronounced form and fire hoses, these chemical cartridges. than gas now double-check, because in the fall, and the same, probably, ber god said, this is her life, the voter will go out into the street, of course, and correspondence is already going on and already going on, among other things, law enforcement agencies. and it's not only in germany in france the same thing, yes, to do when it suddenly gets out of control, now the situation no one democratically will leave his posture for being deceived by voters polovki things. she should have refused. and now ordinary people are sitting and talking. and you know it's today's newspaper, huh? uh wrote such a short report, that ukrainians who work online come to

germany receive benefits, but work online, it is impossible to cross these two incomes , it is impossible to tax them, and it turns out that the german people pay for the services of refugees, pay for the supply of weapons. afraid that there will be no gas. but in general, we need it, it turns out that she lena berg habag seized power, and not only in germany, the social democratic and green thinking, which unpacks the nuclear coal power plant. they are do not give up power. they are destroying the european union, in this case specifically germany separately . yes, this is actually still a trump program. europe should be economically obedient. what difference does it make who is in power in washington? all the same, we need to crush everything in europe economically, and this is done by hand, huh? burbock, i'm not talking to you now, so, he says, people in every pub today there are

people in every pub and these are absolutely loud are talking about this topic. you walk and you hear, she's just a chicken, with which everyone laughs, if you can imagine, newspaper headlines, tomorrow simonyan said in the program of his button accordion that she was a fool. oh and i will say that the sacrifice of education is real. i didn’t see all of them there today, and i saw them filmed in some german city, and the cost of diesel fuel was more than two euros 40 cents. i calculated there that a tank of e costs 200 euros for a second. okay, okay, but with democracy in america, that's okay. and mr biden announced that there should be one party. yes , michael heard one party is not serious. no, they haven't heard one party doesn't help. and immediately the reaction in the states let's see. the single most serious threat to america today is those

who vote republican, all 75 million of them are nazis and democracy destroyers. they need to be stopped, this is the promise of treating joe biden. you don't have to be a transportation advocate to see this speech as a turning point in american history for hundreds of years. a political system with two warring parties, if you're going to outlaw one of them, what's left to stay on the party state system is what the one party state is calling for today it's shocking but it's true right now on live television. what do you say michael is, of course, a distortion. well, of course, he is not against republicans, as such, he is against republicans who profane the values ​​of the republic and who are trying to violate the constitution against such republicans. well types of trump and his he wants to remake the party that

opposes him. well, let's see, good luck to him good luck igor sergeevich. well, you must be for yes to have one partner. no, i believe that we need the republican party, but not the republican party in the person of trump and his supporters, but the other republican party in person in person. the same person as himself, biden any wonderful republicans. we had reagan, we had more of an older one . from noticed trouble trouble. yes, because the right hand was reagan was churchill was de gaulle was colt and many who were. and now here we have here, where here with those people who are. well, trouble, yes well, igor sergeevich look means the fourteenth year of washington just from 2014 the united states of the best ukrainians how to fight the occupying army,

using special units like themes that were effective against al-qaeda militants of the islamic state in parallel with this barrel. he says that it is necessary to create some kind of camps, where will the training and education of the ukrainian armed forces be held and the americans are obtained in plain text. they are said to be leading ukrainian actions. there is. if this is so, maybe it is necessary to make a statement about the fact that ukraine is also a state of terrorists, the united states is a state that supports the state of terrorists, a statement can be made. eh, the main thing is not in statements, not in words. the main thing is for us to finally realize. now i have discussed everything and everything. time sounded ukraine kyiv regime. let's finally realize that the kiev regime is just a tool. and if this tool sends, and the letters that it sends, then this means that this tool was instructed by the owner to do this. if this tool

starts not just killing politicians. eh, it has always been an enemy, but when this tool is used to kill the child of the enemy, neither dugin himself, but his daughter, the maximum damage. yes , absolutely right. this means that this owner has moved to the level of lawlessness, which is not at all no, uh, red lines, not in political terms, but in the fact that they will never do this. this is what we must first of all realize that a war of annihilation is being waged against us, if they allow themselves this, then they decided to destroy us. and here, by the way, here is the first part of the discussion. as soon as we put your questions there, the united states, and carefully read, by the way, the statement of the ministry of defense yesterday, everything becomes clear. remember when the united states

needed to eliminate witnesses, azov, whose tongues were untied, the himers rocket flew right into this barracks where they were, i didn’t burn out, and here they have been hitting the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant for a month and still can’t hit, yes, 20 m, but it can be assumed that they are vice versa masterfully beat and specially beat. but then this same mission arises, which is sent, and at this time, when this mission is sent, it is organized. special operation to seize the station and what is written in the statements of the ministry of defense that this mission was specially they delayed while preparing this operation and slowed them down even in kiev so that they would arrive, just in time for the capture of the station, and when this

did not happen, and then according to this plan quite right, the plan is fully outlined, so the plan. yes, and when they arrive, it didn’t happen, what should they do there, they turned around, and after 3 hours they left. you asked why they came for 3 hours, of course, there would be no point. but if we assume that everything was modeled here, we assume that the ministry of defense, says our right the truth, and i have no reason to doubt, especially since the ministry of defense clearly had information about this training, because all these special forces were simply slammed into a trap. and so, while we were talking. orbiters and other things will arrive now, thank god the ministry of defense did not think about this. they knew who they were going for, why they were going and were preparing to repel this attack, and the operation was thought out simply great. well then , here is the mission that will remain there. what is this consumable? if right now, by the way, that's where the danger comes in. before that,

there was no danger of getting into the vault, because they were going to capture the station and were beating nearby. but now, when they realized that this is impossible, now they can fly, just to the storage, because it is not difficult for them to donate three four and even this grossel itself . but to cause radiation contamination. this is a complete benefit to the united states, that is, you are releasing that now they can still now just this is a danger. the real is that the united states from this do not lose in anything and you asked about e germany. sorry. they are not broken down by the reactor, they are going to the reactor. hmm, you can't pierce a projectile there. they are calculated, as experts say, that even the whole liner will not break through. but they can blow up the storage of radioactive elements and what will happen then what is written, by the way, in the western press of the western it

is written in plain text that if this happens, ukraine, the russian federation, belarus, bulgaria there, romania, moldova, and poland will be affected by turkey the germans will be very worried. if these second-class people suffer, i highly doubt it. it looks like the truth, and the united states certainly will not be worried, therefore, therefore, now, after the failure of this operation with the mission of the rich, the most serious e hmm the stage is coming, and here our statements are exactly what we need. now we need our statements that we understand very well that the united states is behind these actions. here is what is written at the end of the silence of the west confirms its participation in the preparation of provocations, that is, strikes. and this means we will respond accordingly.

and they must understand this, nothing will stop them, except for the fear of an answer. if they are sure that they will not get anything for it. they will explode this dirty bomb from the fact that tens of millions of ukrainians, russian belarusians, moldovans and others will suffer, their answer is absolutely yours - this is our answer, firstly , a message that we will consider this as a nuclear aggression against the russian federation and, accordingly, a weapon . well, why should we use nuclear weapons in the united states? there is a huge the number of all kinds of objects outside the united states and suddenly opponents. by the way, the united states also has a lot of things right. and all of a sudden, these opponents got the opportunity and pulverized some military facility of the united states or maybe somewhere on the territory of germany, the terrorists took it and blew it up. everything, they

have crossed all the lines, this is the lawlessness of the lawlessness, it is impossible to stop with persuasion and appeals and international law, only the fear of one's own death can stop the lawlessness and a cunning plan, but the serfs turned out to be krivorukie correctly. no, it’s not a slave, our intelligence and our specialists turned out to be crooked , who outwitted and destroyed their well-trained specialists, is partly in such a strategic impasse, because ukraine is turning into a bottomless black hole, where expensive american weapons and financial tranches disappear. how much ukraine does not give everything is not enough and the united states understands this very well, because on the one hand they want to inflict a strategic defeat with the help of ukraine

but russia cannot do it because of the extraordinary level of corruption that permeates, well, the entire ukrainian society, and i agree with my colleague here. after all, they can just go for this option. it seems to us, but the logic of kiva, kamikaze is crazy, but in fact, this logic has several goals and objectives, firstly, ah, kiev is well aware that this territory will never be under its influence, so apply russia, well, maximum damage. it is clear that this is chernobyl for a decade. for us, the second. still in kyiv sit in belts. their logic is the logic of subservience, and they get their political capital, then they will leave there for distant new zealand, and as michael said after us, even a flood, a and third, if there is some kind of catastrophe, then it is

clear that they will blame here. and the catastrophe will us a and then the united states will give us, but this status of the state of the sponsor of terrorism and in the eyes of the international community, no matter how all further military changes for us, nothing will change from us and this is how the evil empire is being waged against us a new cold war, and the masks have been torn off, we are ready for this, but our special operation. i think i have hammered the last nail in the coffin of the american polar world, because a unipolar world is a dictatorship. hegemot. here in the conditions of the dictatorship of the hegemon. impossible, it would be no, a special operation, not syria or crimea or even putin's munich speech and why biden is so responsive to this. that is why he is forced to support ukraine because he believes that if they lose in ukraine they will lose, well, almost everywhere and road along

russia's path will be different. and strange. well, for example, the same china in relation to taiwan, he believes that the victory of russia will cause enormous damage. here is the so -called world liberal order. that is why they, of course, act in such a logic. but they, too, are essentially in this strategic trap. mikhal sergeevich gorbachev died. and i started the program. yes , because they deceived him, they built their own world order, which today is simply destroyed from all sides, that is, this is the very world order, which they imposed on us all. they are now hammering this world order. well, before we continue, let's talk about this topic. yes, let's see the results of the poll that we conducted on the ntv website. the question was formulated as follows: who is mikhail sergeevich gorbachev for you

? role in history and 4% is the person who prevented a nuclear catastrophe. and how should we respond, because our foreign minister said they are destroying this world order. we will respond harshly, that is, what is this world order, yes, but democracy is globalization, and interaction, there and so on, but there is always one center that makes these decisions. and well, they are the most important themselves ruining the whole thing. and how should we respond to strengthen our cooperation, with the same china and iran by the way, i talked with many chinese experts. i want to say that there is not something that is 100%, there is 200%, it converges from the point of view today russia and china harmoniously complement each other, russia is the military-political center of china and the economic, and together we are just ah-a

forming this alternative model of the world order, but, uh, returning to gorbachev, because gorbachev for us for all and for the whole world a symbol of the collapse of the soviet union as uh, putin's is not for the whole world no no no, let me show you the headlines now. just here are the headlines, yes , we have various media, you see here, please, this is the leader reconciled with the west and having paid this is not a person who collapsed the ussr, they go on to watch the build in a different way. he lived the path to german unity hunchbacked, germany bows to you, it’s kind of understandable, and this is from the father of perestroika, one of the most significant political figures of the 20th century and cnn why is gorbachev remembered in the west as a giant, and at home as an outcast? who has an answer to this question sergey think about this question to answer. go on. thatcher spoke of him. this man to deal with for

them, he is a real hero. after him came another the big hero yeltsin who in the us congress said god save america and the then minister of foreign affairs, kozyrev said that russia had no national interests at all, that even the former american president nixon said, well, not every state should have the same national interests. so you know, the most interesting thing is that the west didn’t like it so much, so when yeltsin made this speech in the us congress, in 1992, in fact, the us deputy secretary of defense paul in total secrecy, the vufavet prepared his famous defense planning manual, in which he wrote in plain text in black and white after the collapse of the soviet union the main goal of american foreign policy is to prevent the emergence of a state or coalition of states in the

post-soviet space that can challenge the american lida understand perfectly well that it was during the honeymoon period of 1992. and now it comes at mealtime, when ours can be said we had such illusions that we would be part of the west there, that we would be an ally of the west. they already viewed russia as a geopolitical adversary. answer this question. why do i remember gorbachev in the west as a giant at home, as an outcast? well, in fact, to answer this question is quite simple in the west, gorbachev is remembered as a giant, because, under gorbachev, something happened that the west could not even dream of, the west, which was afraid of the soviet union, it seemed that the soviet union is what something like that, maybe condo, but very powerful very scary and suddenly it's time. and it all began to crumble and the game began under the pressure of the

west, in fact, the berlin wall collapsed and the process went on as they said. gorbachev yes , of course, but the west got rid of the fear that right now there, so to speak, there you need to run somewhere, a bomb shelter. all this has passed. yes , you understand the new thinking, so to speak, that's already reyjavik. and the soviet union is not so terrible. he is being reformed. he is already so to speak, but reduces the strategic arsenal and so on and so forth, that is. and, of course, ah. gorbachev gave the west a royal gift, of course, they will perceive him as a giant. why do we perceive it? like an outcast? this is, of course, a more difficult question. but here too. but in general, i understand, but i also wrote here. i have seen. by the way, that your comment is also your interview. i saw you talking about the experience. yes? yes, yes, yes, yes, i also wrote. yes, not just a few texts, i wrote you understand hmm now, of course, gorbachev does not

kick, only lazy. he's such an easy target, but uh, why is he being treated like an outcast? and, therefore that so in our minds the public has developed so it’s easier to understand that if it weren’t for gorbachev, everything would be great, the berlin wall wouldn’t fall, it wouldn’t fall apart into the warsaw pact, they wouldn’t promise the japanese, so to speak, they wouldn’t say that there is a territorial problem. e, smoked, despite the fact that leonidovich brezhnev was in the seventy-seventh year, he said that there was no problem. here we have the fact that everything happened so much easier, so to speak. it’s just that the dimensions are on the hill, everything is like that, but it came down to this to a person, but you understand, and i worked in the media under gorbachev, i remember how it all happened. i remember and i still caught gorbachev before you see, i want to tell everyone who is now saying that if it were not for gorbachev everything would be

wonderfully simple felled everyone. you understand the sand, yes, here, but everyone was there for 10 years, we already didn’t have a biden, you understand, gorbachev, what’s the problem? and gorbachev was, but a great utopian. uh huh, he built an ideal world like that, yeah yeah. here, that's good. and marx he also said that there would be communism. yes, he could build too. yes, you know, when you build the great utopia. yes, in this utopia there is a completely different idea of ​​the world. you do not see the reaction does not work all those who say that now, if it were not for gorbachev, it would be fine for a minute. i'm asking a question. and who is it? everything fell apart without gorbachev you see, when kohl specifically said to him, i'm blowing a billion. let's say i

worked. listen to me completely push me away deceived. finish the gdr, we will listen. i worked at the novosti press agency, you know, before gorbachev . that's all, despite the fact that they wrote comments, and that's it. they just laughed, you understand what he wrote, in general, there was total disbelief, total disbelief, if we close our eyes to this, you understand the latter. if someone says what to say, here gorbachev boiled my question all the way. who's who is the densiopin that could not fail this. name it to me. here you name, please, theory. i don't know the inflective notion that nato would be under your doorsteps, because yes, he didn’t do it specifically , all this was already falling apart margarita you wrote, gorbachev died. time to collect

scattered and about what? you know what started right away, that no, everyone began to interpret it in their own way, this is the most scattered. i think that tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, there will be a statement from the state department, and there will be a long list. what are you like not i will not say. i'm asking you what i am, but about ukraine in the first place. i don’t want to say more, but i, of course, believe that people who live in the historical russian lands are unhappy where they live, they should be able to live in their homeland, i have been saying this for many years. i feel very sorry for these people. i understand how these people

feel about gorbachev. i have no emotions for gorbachev more than emotions for other historical leaders. whose management? i did not live, because when gorbachev came i was 5 years old. i am natural. i don't remember any of this, like my life. yes, i already know this from textbooks. and this is a slightly different emotional connection, it's one thing when you read, it's about napoleon or about hitler or about gorbachev, but another thing is how you are, but a colleague lives in this, well, i can imagine what it's like for these people who suddenly touched abroad and not always in a friendly abroad. and as a rule, it is friendly, who turned out to be non-citizens, outcasts, as they remember, like a giant about how from the mountain. outcast people who were in power then missed this country. i agree that, probably, not probably, but for sure, he is not alone and indeed. this kolos was already not like on clay, but directly on sandy ones.

wet sand on your feet. unfortunately. well, someone had to take the first step to chelban this colossus so that he collapsed his legs. it turned out to be him, by the way, i was struck by your story. you don't want to tell how you flew with him. just an amazing story that you published in telegram. so. they ended up there, thanks to him, thanks to others, thanks to those who were shortly before him and immediately after him, and were not to blame for anything, but so many years have passed. they are not happy, there are many of them, we are millions of them, well, we are responsible for these people. these are our people. this is our history. i wrote about this in general, andrey nikolaevich and what do you think, what we are seeing in the world today can be just a continuation of what he started began during gorbachev's time, how is there moreover what we condemned in the first part of the program, the zaporozhye npp and everything that happens is also the result of activity, you absolutely understand, there is even a premise here, who is not instead of gorbachev

if gorbachev has such a very simple assessment of a politician a politician can be assessed solely by results. i will tell you a very simple thing. why do they love it in the west, if a certain president of the united states of america liquidated nato, removed the pro-american government from europe, we would adore him. if we erected monuments, they would be fair, because mikhail sergeevich gorbachev scored his goal in sports terminology, even in this formulation, gorbachev's questions were deceived. excuse me, we are talking about a non-parlor girl at a gymnasium. now we are talking, we are talking about a man who concluded questions of a grandiose of national importance, and we are talking about the fact that he did not sign an agreement that does not allow nato expansion to the east. well, in all seriousness, i was scammed. wait you now who are you somewhere at the station. they got in touch if a person talks in such categories, what he did as head of state. it’s just not serious and not serious to justify him with naive topism , you know, it’s not serious, because if a utopian

came to power and drowned the country, then he cannot be evaluated positively in any way and yes certainly it has been said by millions of people. the former soviet union has its own personal stories, when people stayed abroad, often there, when they are presented with imperial ambitions in this colonialists, anyone, my cousin and his family had to flee azerbaijan so that he would not be taken to the war in the armenian-azerbaijani war, whom he is a russian man, had no relation at all. and mikhail sergeevich said, i'm leaving good. he is there, i left happiness in the last speech. but this speech was terrible. it's december ninety first year. when he spoke. you understand that everyone fights on their own, a person who held a referendum six months before. he asked people do you want to keep the country 7-7% of the ice, december 1991, there, someone is sorting out the bialowieza agreements. he comes out and says. well, you know, i don't agree. well, we probably won't be good. i went, he went where he went again. he went to a monastery, his sins were covered up, he locked himself up somewhere, never showed.

no, they tell me, he is a wellian predatory image life. he is fine. and he has everything well. and everything is bad for millions of people and what is happening in ukraine now it became possible at all mikhail sergeevich launched this process that he protested no, the politician is responsible for his actions, even if he did not want this, nikolai aleksandrovich romanov did not want to ruin the russian empire. god forbid, but the result of his activities is such, but he paid for it with the life of his family. no, i don’t want to say that mikhal sergeevich should, as it were, to die cruelly, but to evaluate it somehow differently. well, it's just not possible, yes, yes. it's good. and also, if people just ended up somewhere abroad. this means that they are still alive, they are lucky they are lucky. and we, when i absolutely agree, with

andrey i absolutely agree, everyone has their own story, because we look at it all sergey exactly through a through our history. i repeatedly made programs about what gorbachev wanted to do, yes, but what did he introduce? what were his plans for the next, and advisers people companions they were in the studio. and all the time they tried to convey to us one simple thing, what he wanted, how better he did not succeed. he wanted to improve, but he didn't know how to do it a second. here is sergei borisovich no, this is an unfortunate example. here is something i can try. how better, and even wrong, but the people who run the state. they can't play to learn how to fail , you know, yes, they must, if they do something, they must clearly understand what

the result is. they want to receive and how to do it? this is where the problem is? and i really did meet absolutely by chance, i met gorbachev on the plane. the iraqi story is everything, yes, here are the americans in baghdad and he tells me what is happening there. he asks me what is happening roma what is happening there, what is happening there? i say mikhail sergeevich war. there is going on bombing 24 hours. a huge number of people are bombed a day, they die, they hate in general everyone and all of these generations. they hate everything from adam or americans, but everything, in principle, including in damascus, this is just damascus was. i'm from baghdad, i came to syria and i'm already flying from syria to moscow, and i say, and in syria the same thing in syria they say that you are to blame for everything. he says, why am i? he asks why? i mean, he sincerely did not understand. why