that will change after partial mobilization. this is what we will talk about today in detail. michael you have seen these people, i can show you how the referendum actually works. and what they say these people want to see. let's see. let's take another look at the polling stations. uh-huh to the polls. people come, and they come even knowing that the guys you support can strike. they can just shoot, but even knowing all this, people still come there. and your secretary of state the secretary of state made a statement , mr. blinkin, we have blinkin's statement. let's see the statement. damn, if the referendums take place and russia declares the annexation of ukrainian territories, the united states will never recognize this. i have a simple question. and why

the basis of these referendums, which is unconditionally right there, the definition is a moot point, because let's aha and in catalonia there is such a right to the very definition of spain spain is not. spain says no, but the catalans say we have the right fine, and in chechnya they also said that they had rights and russia said no and correctly said, no you said no well tell me okay no no okay. no stop, to be in kosovo no, not ok , all serbias have deprived themselves of the right to preserve space why in its composition why because of the genocide, and what happens exactly this way i decided when i filed for kosovo well, other countries were sued, it was after

the eighth year, in my opinion, or the ninth year. he said exactly what i said, that serbia has deprived itself of the truth to keep. you're just in the subject michael with it's very hard for you to talk. honestly. i remember the dependence of the lord, i will simply remind you that there was also a referendum in the mower. there was such a person, yes, yes, sergei was such a person, remember, ibrahim was another with a scarf. everything went. yes , how is he a democratic democratic party or a scientist democratic union, yes, yes, but he headed yes, the party, there was such a thing. they held a referendum. do you know when michael in what year in 1991? uh-huh and this very referendum that they held did not legally recognize recognized, as the osce used to be called, remember this one,

as they did not recognize the sbs, a and they told us the same thing that you say. are you sure that the european union didn’t recognize these laws, there, and so on and so forth, and then all of a sudden in 2008, when they decided to simply declare independence in parliament, for some reason everyone began to remember this referendum and then even your obama there to us spoke heroically about this same referendum, it turns out michael what? the referendum that was, uh, illegal turned out to be legal all of a sudden, because kosovo it turned out exactly what i would have received. well , between these events there was a war and genocide there was no war. michael you are out of your mind. and here, what we have seen since the fourteenth year in the war itself, as in chechnya. that is, this is an attempt. i don’t need about chechnya, we didn’t need it, we don’t need a t-shirt about chechnya . we talked about chechnya in the last program. i have explained everything to you. i don't need

to talk about coconut with you. explain to me why there was no war here now, the same one that was in the oblique donbass or iliana well, he is international said no, ukraine before the decision of the international court. i say again, ukraine filed a lawsuit against russia about the presence. the international court of justice has decided that there are no signs of genocide in the donbass. this is a question of all fantasy, firstly, it did not solve anything. whom to answer, the authors will remind you that the president, one of the presidents of the united states, said about the international court, he and what he threatened the judges of the international court of the un yes, about investigating the crime of the american military there, remind you, how the step relates to this judgment. yeah, i mean, please don't refer to it when you

need it, when you need it you all the time, that's how you get this referendum. well, this is the highest manifestation of democracy. but this one is much more democratic, and so on. we do not recognize depending on where the fish was wrapped. i want to ask you, and the referendum on ukrainian independence on december 1, 1991. he was legal . why from what article violation? children's laws violation procedures adopted in the soviet union, it was carried out not only under the conditions of the ban, the only, in fact, political force in the absence of a ban on the complete complete ban on party literature under the conditions of a complete ban on agitation against, but it never interested michael mike - you know, i'll give it too. what vladimir vladimirovich says that is, i am trying to tell you that for some reason you recognized the

referendum as the independence of ukraine i want to remind few who remember this now yes, but in 1994 in including in the name of modest efforts. yes, in the donbass, in two regions of donbass, donetsk and luhansk regions, a referendum was also held, a referendum on the federal status of ukraine in the status of the russian language, as the official regional of these very regions, and so on. do you think how it will end? an absolutely legal referendum with a bunch of agitation, competitiveness, there were debates, you know how it ended yes, more than 90 percent for the official russian language, 90% for the federal status of ukraine, i don’t give a damn in general and you don't give a damn and ukraine doesn't give a damn trampled spat on this referendum. and then they warned ukraine, and you, too, who traveled there all the time, understand that within these borders, a unitary ukraine cannot survive. and

now, if only the only way to preserve ukraine within the borders of the ninety-first year was federal. and even better, the confederal structure of ukraine did not guarantee the borders of the ninety-first year, but it made it possible either to keep it theoretically within these borders, or same civilized without blood. how to do it? czechoslovakia disperse, but ukraine is american? and all sorts of curators this thing on this thing. they just didn't care. here we are reaping the natural michael, we have been going to this for a very long time for 8 years. we blew up to you , including to you personally in this studio. yes? it ’s true, this is ribogen, i’ll tell you now, firstly, about the donbass, i’ll tell you that now this genocide is happening in kherson. yes, we say again, yes, and peaceful cities are bombed, peaceful buildings and so on

are killing people. sorry in the know, but terrorist attacks, that take place there. note. they all say in ukraine you know about the commission of these terrorist attacks. yes, well, you are silent about it. all these are months, who bombed these months, kherson michael are you out of your mind khaki mars your american bombed american michael with mars, right? be surprised at my bombings, even you now tell us, please, we fired at ourselves, even sergey vladimirovich sergey borisovich can’t even stand the russian troops, who bombed kherson, i say again, russia came from where we have cayman and michael a heimer projectile flew in to the administration, look at the footage from where russia got it, when in fact, when there is during any military conflicts, but

genocide, because if there is and it is called , i can now answer this. yes, thank you, thank you. so you recognized the legal basis. wait. you just argued with foam at the mouth that kosovo is cute, right, because there is a belgian genocide. now you admit there was a genocide. that's it, i said thank you. all this is useless. honestly. now, if a man was heard, yes, yes every time it's new i guarantee it's new. yes thank you. i will simply list all the cases where there were no rights on the claim itself. i started with catalunya you can add chords. at the cords. there is a right to self- a self-determination of all the countries where the kodi live 400. uh four countries, they all say no, the kurds do not have the right to self-determination in

aquebek in e. canada has the right to self-determination held hello hello hold scotland let's see northern cyprus agreed many, many things we can remember maikov and basques basques have the right to define, of course. of course not, but ask spain, they ask france. you ask me, he has positions saying, no, as russia said no to chechnya this is the same thing, no, the right wheel. if it's not here, it's not anywhere. and if there is somewhere some option for yes, then it will be everywhere and we warned about it and said no, so okay, everything can be eaten everything everything is my right to self-determination, when the two sides of the

conflict agree, then ukraine did not have the right to separate. well, in fact, the constitution provided for leaving the union; there was no tool and there was no technique for exiting this; it was announced and that’s all later. institutions are written to let the states leave, this is just a feature, you understand, you just remembered the referendums in ukraine in the ninety- first year, but you don’t remember what kind of referendum was in the soviet union for the preservation of the ussr before that how many people voted for the preservation of 90 years, and then the path, and then here it means, it's let 's mean about russia in my opinion, i see let's we back to america you probably know the history of your homeland still better. please tell me why texas was annexed to america in 1875, you know, and arizona's 19th century

constitution is so good fine. listen, well he killed me in the nineteenth century. come on, what century are we living in now? of course, yes, the twentieth century will suit the hawaiian islands with you, what have been annexed done? well, what is it? they commemorate such bad things, yes, which i was just good with you. i'm not what they say straight forward, as you said. see, i won't now. here is what to raise the question about not mexico arizona california how you annexed these lands, i will not talk about the so-called louisiana. here, yes, this does not count as everything, but because michael is from a professor higher than here? please tell me what it was called before 1864. what was the name of the united states of america no, michael stop it. well, you've graduated from university. sit down deuce north, eastern united states

this is where you were, then you were called then with east servers. why did you take it? what did it take? so that's it, let's go to the dense times of socialism. we studied the history of the united states are you saying that the northeastern united states with the american revolution when we fell out of the british we called ourselves all day and the states of america what was it called? i'm telling you, later, what were your names. i told you, well, sergey boris, then, look, they continue to fire. yesterday, hitting six people killed is not genocide, of course, this is nonsense. michael yes the day before yesterday hit 13 people. yes perished every day every day reviews blows blows blows and blows. let's listen to people. do not wait for the referendum

of russia avenge avenge these people russia will shower forms from kiev yes, this is not enough. there is also a deputy prime minister who continues. actually. right to this day, the referendum is going on, she continues to make a statement and you know such threatening statements. she's just threatening people. show the application. we have yes, threatens people with criminal prosecution. here you go again i strongly advise residents of the temporarily occupied territories not to take a passport for a referendum, we don’t go with the occupiers, we don’t cooperate, if possible, leave, all this will fall under the article of infringement on the territorial integrity of the integrity of ukraine this is an extra decision of svoboda up to 5 years. here she is irina vereshchak. a. well, what do you think? here they are, you know,

here i am, what interests me? when are these people? they kill, they threaten, they torture, and they just don’t do anything with ordinary civilians. they really count to the fact that these civilians can suddenly change their minds and that these civilians are bursting with love for ukraine, that these people are close relatives, who are killed every day, that these people want to remain part of ukraine, that’s why they make these statements ? i'm just trying to understand their logic, what they are guided by. well, this is not a fight for public opinion. this is a fight. uh, forces against strength and uh, k. unfortunately, i have to say the following now uh military conflict on the territory of ukraine uh it is strategic strategic stalemate and what we are seeing now is a struggle for a tipping point. that's who will now

mark the turning point here and determine the direction in which the situation will roll further. and uh, we see the steps taken by russia, yes, these are referendums, uh, the corresponding consequences after them and this is partial mobilization. these are steps towards a turning point. but uh, here, uh, the situation is fundamentally changing, because until now, the war was, as it were, outside the territory of russia. yes, there were some sort of arrivals there, uh, others territories, but these were rather excesses and border episodes, and the war still went on, outside russian territory, from the moment when, after these same referendums. uh, the annexation of the territory will be carried out, the war will continue on the territory of russia and this fundamentally changes the situation. when it changes and

changes in that sense. what is here, as was said, from the side of the kremlin, the entire arsenal in the right to use the leadership of russia to protect this very territory that has already been updated. that is, here the escalation has no ceiling up to the use of nuclear weapons, as it was said , moreover, time is compressed and accelerates sharply. that is. hey, here's the dynamic. e further events. it will be much faster, and in this regard, i am very seriously worried that i do not see any opportunities and forces to stop this escalation of the conflict further. it continues to develop, moreover, we hear the statement of the ukrainian side that in holding a referendum and even more so when joining territory precludes any further negotiations. here is me as a peacemaker in

principle. you know, this is my property, yes, and a christian pacifist. this is all very serious. that was good. yes, igor sergeevich but you tell me, but you were so afraid of nothing. well, it would seem, yes, they have formulated their position. we will never admit. and these are pancakes. well, right next to the blinken. all the rest went, yes, who began to say, no scholz, there is a macron track, we do not recognize. no, well, well marked that you do not recognize the results of these referendums, but all this resembles some kind of hysteria, what are you afraid of or not afraid of? i don't understand. i believe that they were afraid, following the fact that the announcement of partial mobilization. and well, officially, in fact, when the president supported the holding of a referendum. we all understand that he supported the annexation of these territories to russia , well, it's difficult. quite right. why do you know?

why now, because it simply cannot be otherwise now, if i kill you, these are the ones, yes you? you will never be with them in your life. you will never leave, just in the other direction . where you are protected with these, you will never want to have anything in common again. it's an obvious story, but they keep going. actually. here, go exactly this way, that is, they make these statements, continue to fire and count on something else, so, i repeat, what they were afraid of. they were scared because by doing this, the president, uh, de facto, burned the bridges. so, when we launched the operation on february 24, so russia the president crossed the rubicon so when it was announced a partial mobilization and recognition of the entry. we are burned, and to show, it was just on the day when the battle of kulikovo took place. this is exactly the action that

dmitry donskoy performed before the battle of kulikovo. he burned the bridges retreat for us no. yes, after that, either or and they understood this, because they are that we defeat lily in this way or we will not be. that's what we're talking about. and this means that we will fight for real, they really counted on the fact that we will this way, and in the end we will find some kind of compromise that suits them here , the position is clearly and clearly announced. we go further, that they really understood that you are more like this. as you say, we won't, they will hope and stuff, but their hysteria shows that they were scared. that this is exactly how events will develop from the fact that either or this does not mean that victory is guaranteed for us and that there will be no defeats on the way to this victory. uh-huh well that means the lot is cast. that's what it means, we are now let's take a break and come back to this studio in just a few minutes and continue our very interesting conversation. and i'll show you the result of a survey that

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ice to alexei romanov 70 russian history a lot strong people aleksey romanov but this one is the best. secret on sunday at 0:30 a housekeeper at margulis on ntv this program is true , we continue to talk with our guests about the referendums that began today in the dpr lpr, kherson zaporozhye regions. let's listen to our president's statement on this subject. we cannot and have no moral right to hand over people close to us to be torn to pieces by the executioner, we can not but respond to their sincere desire to determine their own lives. the republics of donbass, as well as the military-civilian administrations of the kherson and zaporozhye regions , decided to hold referendums, but

the future of these territories did not turn to russia with a request to support such a step. we will do everything to provide safe conditions for holding a referendum so that people can express their will and the decision about their future that the majority of residents of the donetsk and luhansk people's republics, zaporozhye and kherson regions will make, we support about what the decision will be, i have such interesting numbers. in principle, we already know what the solution will be. what decision will the people who live there make? well, let's just look at the numbers. here, look, please, the desire of the inhabitants of the liberated territories to become part of the russian federation dpr 91% maikovnr, 90, zaporozhye 80 kherson 80%. therefore, i think that everything will be as we planned, but i have

a question vladimir vladimirovich well, firstly, and i always say, i repeat, it was necessary earlier earlier do it all before. well, we are doing well now. and what will happen to those territories that are not yet under our control, for example, the same zaporozhye region, what will we do? well, in principle, they are talking about it, uh, representatives of the temporary administration of the zaporozhye region. it will be necessary to release by itself with a referendum being held. uh, taking into account the administrative boundaries of the zaporozhye region and, in fact, by the majority. we will make decisions about those areas of those regions as soon as they are liberated dinazification. uh, will be included in the administrative boundaries. e, zaporozhye region, but again, in fact, from the moment russia recognizes these regions as part of the constituent entities of the russian federation, this will be considered an occupied part of the russian federation, and of course. and will have to release them in this regard here. eh, after all. there is

the constitution of russia, it needs to be protected to protect its territorial integrity, and in the event of an encroachment on its territory , we have territorial integrity at the start. here is the very accordingly, it will be necessary to use the entire arsenal , as if armed, allows this option. uh, so we will defend the territorial value. if you're talking about weapons, i really hope it doesn't come to that. that is, i say it again, nuclear action is a nuclear doctrine that describes, which everyone has been quoting lately. after all, she is talking not just about a threat to territorial integrity, but about a threat to the existence of the russian federation, that is, the presence of these parts of these temporarily occupied regions. uh outside controlled the russian federation does not yet mean an existential threat. but, when we talk about the fact that we have a response to the nuclear blackmail that

is now against us, it is mandatory. yes, uh, two points, firstly, the president of russia is absolutely consistent. here, when the operation began. he said that in the future the fate of certain territories will be determined by citizens. quite right, therefore, now it will determine the zaporozhye kherson regions , it does not yet follow that they will not determine in other areas another question how much we can release, because you do n’t need to deal with the hat, but the installation was given on 24, and it is being consistently carried out. this is not a fundamentally new approach. and one more thing, when everywhere they start shouting that the president is talking about nuclear weapons, that he will almost use russia, and so on and so forth, let's read and listen to what our president said. he said, remember about the wind rose, that everyone in the west must understand which way it blows, that the wind rose can

change. this means that he warned that we have information that they will blow up i'm a faithful plant, it is surprisingly different that they do not understand this. they turned everything upside down, turned on the fool and the whole world again in unison, in fact, to speak. we are now this is strange, we now have to talk about the fact that there are real threats to the use of nuclei. a tactical weapon from the united states of america under the guise of an alleged explosion arranged by russia , just like the real threat is still that they will blow up something, make a nuclear the catastrophe at the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant now. blackmail on their part is a reality, and we should talk about it openly again. and secondly, we must do everything to ensure that this does not take place. i know so many people who actually, and as soon as it was announced that the

referendums would begin, they froze in anticipation in the anxious why because? well, they argued that the only option for ukraine is to prevent this very referendum? this is exactly the same story with contagion. do you understand? what a thing, that is, what we have come for. yes, it is called we are waiting for it to really be in the 21st century, not in the nineteenth. someone can take a special hit on the nuclear plant just for the mikes just to disrupt the referendum. here they did not become citizens of the country that protect them, this is amazing. now let's take a look at the results we have on the ntv website. the question is formulated as follows. the west will put up with the fact that the liberated territories will become part of the russian federation, the result is 62%. this never mind. we should not pay attention to the reaction of the west, but 28%, no, they will introduce new sanctions,

pump ukraine up with weapons even more, and 10% yes, they will not de facto recognize until the yura, they will de facto agree, as it was from crimea, but of course, i doubt it, because that the stakes are too high already have nowhere to retreat sergey well, really. look, and president putin is talking about the wind rose. we know this statement, and it's simple. well, he says that if you suddenly do something, keep in mind, we will answer, we will answer. this rose of the winds will go in the other direction. right here we can listen right now. yes? let's, let's, let's remind everyone yes, let's remind. in case of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country, in order to protect russia, our people, we will certainly use all the means at our disposal . this is not a bluff. citizens of russia can be sure the territorial integrity of our motherland , our independence and freedom will be ensured.

i will emphasize this again with all the means at our disposal. and those who are trying to blackmail us with nuclear weapons should know that the wind rose can turn around in their direction. that's all, everything seems to be clear, but at the same time the american president comes out and says, now we are listening to the american president. putin once again threatens europe with nuclear war this is a gross disregard for the non-proliferation regime. now russia is calling for new soldiers in its ranks. to participate in this war, the kremlin is holding sham referendums in order to annex parts of ukraine all. this is an extremely gross violation, no one threatened russia with the un charter, no one was looking for a conflict with her, what is with them happening? that's what's wrong. let's report the canoe there, but i don't know, maybe he probably did n't even look at what our president said, or they showed him what putin says, but at the same time they were

given a different translator. i don’t understand, yes, at the same time , something threatens again there, when the president says a simple thing, if you then get it, well, you know the west and the united states in particular reminds me of russia’s relations with the nuclear topic, but i remind you of such a person , who is sleeping and now the alarm clock is ringing, and he is pulling the blanket over head. here it is turned off for some time again the alarm starts ringing. yes, yes, out, it turns off again. yes. yes. now the president has rang once again. a. e, alarm clock. yes , the statement of president putin is another call of this alarm clock. uh-huh. and you ask me a question. is it possible to consider that this is a sleeping person, pulling a blanket over his head, that he already has some kind of awakening process, has it begun or not? i think that in fact e it started, but with

the announcement of president biden, a was made on the 77th session of the un general assembly, we must. mother, that there is public diplomacy and there are behind-the-scenes things, that is, when president biden takes the podium, he is in many respects like that. well, there is the eurovision festival, you know, and i have such a global vision. yes, this is where everyone performs their number. it's public he makes a public statement. uh, it’s quite predictable that russia is blackmailing there and so on, but uh, the decision is made and what the biden really thinks , you see, this is how they will react or not. it's all taken in secret. the so -called name is a closed office, so to speak. here, and where the white house includes, so to speak, the security forces and so on, and there they already say, you understand completely different things, because, and they understand from my point of view that, was it correct that my

colleague said that the masses of the bridges were burned? yes, and they don’t fit in, you understand, this sign is already hanging, so to speak. you see, the wires are under current. yes, and it can. so, uh, of course, it's a signal for them from my point of view. and what about the referendum? changes drastically. uh, in general, this whole alignment in the sense that it really will already be, and the territories of russia and russia, yes, yes, russia will already have the full legitimate right, in accordance with its defense doctrine, to use the entire arsenal of means, including nuclear weapons, but here there is one more moment. you understand here. and look, and the president of the baydans, whom we are now , uh, here is his statement, we are considering, you see, but when the special operation had just begun. after all, it was president biden who started this war of sanctions, declaring that there are two alternatives door,

either nuclear war. do you remember, yes, or the war of sanctions, yes and so, and this flywheel of military sans started and how much more, yes, this particular person says that they are yes, yes, they tell us all the time what they have to do with it? pay attention. now you will continue. yes, i've noticed . yes on that, but at the beginning they started talking about the referendum all in a row. just around the perimeter that they do not recognize non-recognition does not recognize recognition. just some kind of panic whether? i don’t know, and such a pointer came so that everyone would voice it means that these theses, now they are all at the same time everyone says the same thing no one threatens russia who threatens russia and says the sheet since we have never threatened russia in our lives and it is not confuses that exactly in 5 seconds the next sentence. she tells that they will help to help ukraine so that ukraine wins, wins, whom russia defeats with all the ensuing consequences. this is called

we do not threaten russia with a macron. the same, says they all started saying the same thing that they are not threatening. what is it for us, and this is what i'm talking about what is, uh, inside, so to speak, these here, so to speak, but behind the scenes politics of a closed politics, which is not for the press, not for a press conference. we know, yes, that there is, so to speak, a closed open part. here we are in front of the cameras. they said something, then yes, we decide there. that's where the press dosvidos, where you and i are not allowed there, apparently it's already so to say, but something like a process, went yes, understanding that that all this can happen, there is understanding. i think yes, action action action. i want to understand, if there is an understanding to feel, yes, about the actions. what is the problem? the problem is that there is no so-called existressochi. how to get out of this you got into this, you understand? yes? yes, we can’t show them that they lost the main

problem from the west, so we still communicate with western experts. here we ask a simple question. yes, oh well. so you say, and what is the main task of defeating russia, yes well, well, in ukraine yes, in ukraine yes, if it suddenly turns out that this is impossible, just plan b what will you do if at some point it turns out? yes, you are ready to give weapons to no one to give. this is a weapon. you see, he is no longer there, physically already professional, the army has been knocked out. yes, so to speak, ukraine can no longer not do it. yes? why without the concept of irretrievable losses are huge? and even just healthy men cannot be caught up in the army. there must be professionals. yes, it will pass. there for three five to six months there will be fewer people who it can be transferred. here you have some plan. b what will you do? if you understand that everything has already turned into a meaningless operation. they say we don't have a plan. here is the

problem. that is, yes, they consider, they also burned bridges for themselves, look at the crisis, yes, rock it. just not one year for not having. again, the airfield - this is normal, in that now there is no spare bridge, so they also abandoned it, but the last one. i want to say, look, but another important point is the president biden, who said there is an alternative, either a sanctions war or a nuclear war. we are playing the war of sanctions. the war of sanctions, in theory, was supposed to be what to do to make russia stop, but to stir up protest moods, and so on and so forth. yes, here and there, uh, we saw sanctions unprecedented in history. yes, but they stole it and froze it, so to speak, the reserves of russia, so to speak, in energy and so on, but they not only didn’t return what it led to, they lost crimea and donbass, crimea and donbass lost the kherson region. lost you understand the zaporozhye region, and this,

probably, even for the most stupid debility there. i do not know any fields, so to speak, maybe there are weakly smart ones. uh-huh not reflective reason to think damn but it probably doesn't work. that is, it works the other way, the more sanctions, the greater the loss of ukraine , you understand, yes, that’s why they are now at a loss and look, i honestly expected that there would be some statements at the unified assembly. what, well, now that's russia, that's all after that some very indistinct statement they are confused macron. look what he said that you are talking about the coronavirus, in general, you saw this statement taken by macron. these are my favorites. i know putin has been in isolation from the coronavirus to make some kind of outstanding statement. and let's think. why why does this mean? why such inadequate statements, therefore, an attempt to fill a certain pause, when there is nothing to say, is incomprehensible, which means that there is no plan b, as i said, there is no plan, but stalls, and moreover,

it gives the opposite results, the more sanctions, the greater the loss, and the territories are now leading and there are 11 and a package of sanctions to lose a couple more areas. some time will pass there, reservists will be pulled up there, the balance of forces will change, the capable part of the ukrainian army will change. well, it will be knocked out and healthy men just drive there. well, it's not exactly the same story. yes, yes, and then it will turn out and then it will turn out that this plan is more of a weapon, then, perhaps, passion said, it will become complete absurdity, even for those who do, and further and further. and then they have to then it is produced, but it is not. disagree. here i am, to be honest, i'm honest, i understood your idea sergey, well, i can't admit it. i don't even want to believe that the people who lead such

countries still work in such positions that they find themselves. that's how sergei idiots said. i don't believe in it. you talk, no one will tell you. here, if plan b here ask just any. find the distortion here. yes, if according to experts, yes, here's the gentleman, like his ben hodges. yes, we have this wonderful expert. if this one a wonderful expert in all seriousness to tell us this. let's look at the hodge, in my opinion, he swam a little with his head from the pages of all of them. that is, look, it means attention means, lieutenant general excommanding the troops of the united states in europe. mr hodges. ben says that if russia uses nuclear weapons, the us reaction may not be nuclear, but it could very well be a devastating strike that could, for example, destroy the black sea fleet or destroy russian bases in crimea, in fairness

so, uh, what did it look like in the picture to him when they asked that question? yes, and what can they do there, the united states he hesitated so much, that is, there was such a feeling that he really went to the interview without preparing. and actually the answer to this kind of questions, although it is possible. it should be. here we are all the same fucking there in the black sea fleet, there and so on. do they really assume that they can, for example, hit the black sea fleet or our bases in crimea a and they will get nothing for it. is it really that all these presidents and prime ministers, there and so on, they got involved and dragged practically the whole world, that's what they actually pulled into and they have no alternate airfield. no, of course, firstly, she, firstly, they just lie, and secondly, there are alternate airfields. i want to remind you that even here everyone was surprised in december, in my opinion, last year. how is this why? this and who even ordered this when the five permanent members of the

security council are as different as russia china united states e, great britain france signed a declaration that they admissibility of global nuclear war and the use of nuclear weapons. that is, even the current scripting of sergeevich a. that's not the point, that is, even then such a development of events was foreseen at a nuclear strike, explain. yeah, and that's it then all these people. as i understand it, they drew this red line, because in general. uh, as they say in the next world, it's too early even for biden, probably, although he already may not understand. and here in the analysis of the situation. we, to unfortunately, it’s boring and people are those who analyze the situation, and not those who say, uh, slogans are all over the place, and if you analyze the situation, that is, certain things, firstly, i have very bad news for vladimir aleksandrovich zelensky to begin with, because that it is obvious that his safety was largely guaranteed, not only by

that side, but also by ours because he was needed, as ours considered the political elite or part of it, he was needed to sign the surrender. or for some negotiation a common position, in fact, i have shown that many have a different scenario since the referendum. he is already a violinist, this is not about this anymore, not about that. he is already, uh, now he is already in our concept is not necessary. this is bad news for him, as for bad news for us. they are obvious, unfortunately, in europe, which was close and economically close to us territorially and not now, but after the invasion of iraq after the revolt of a wide shredder. and how do they think putin was an attempt to hold themselves on leadership frames. and in our country, by the way, we remember this and there in order to change attention, this was the official task of politicians to managers. and now the question.

where the change was successful, germany france, to whom these managers are subject, they are subject not to their own legislation and not to their countries. this is obvious, but. and, accordingly, we look further. everything depends on the tasks. what is the task of making war with us at the hands of the ukrainians and at the same time robbing continental europe what putin also spoke about capital flight everything else here but why raise the issue of nuclear blows? eh, well, that's a backup dancer. we will now equate to return to this, judging by, in just a few minutes and continue the conversation with our guests. there are many places where you can watch the winner. but only one winner can be every single combat bet, 1xbet? this is

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you avatar tomorrow at 20:10 on ntv this program is our own truth, we continue to talk with our guests, and the situation in ukraine around ukraine what can michael do? let's say something like saying biden's statement, and move where is the cue, because you have yes or no? i want to agree with you that killing civilians is terrible. it's a tragedy. and you start, in short, with this and do the right thing. only you are talking about killing only people of peaceful people on one side, but there is another side. i want to say that and if the killing of copper inhabitants to ukraine during the war in the conflict in itself is also russia

also commits genocide in quotation marks in ukraine because civilians during a military conflict. i'm dying, and now about the statements of biden and hodge a on the one hand. they express concern on the other hand they er, i take you the replicas of american politicians wars experts. they are not very serious about either the referendum or putin's reaction when he said that uh-huh hmm russia will use this possible measure if why yes because they think it's a farce. i want to say that military conflicts are not held. actually, when the lion's population should not be located and many bu-a votes voted and will be against this referendum, but they are not there, so they read that this is a farce

and they do not recognize it. and and most importantly, that it does not hurt. this will in no way affect the course of the west of ukraine and their e. and and those who help us will do, it's not the course of the sanex hoxxer referendum course, if it changes, it will be in the direction of amplification . here, i understand, let's not waste time, on the second point there is no, on the second why seriously do not accept the statement of our president that all means will be used to protect security. while president putin says it's nonsense, they believe putin is just saying that it wasn't. i don't understand. why is biden on this one doing such things exactly, therefore, yes, on the contrary, it’s a brilliance and they refer to the first russian warning immediately on february 20th, the fourth, when putin said that this smell is so thought

that if the west interferes in russia special operation will have such consequences that a which never in i haven't experienced life, they don't understand. yeah, they just don't get it. i think they don't understand how the west interfered. still, how it interfered and they do nothing, you also don’t understand the look, they conclude that this is nonsense, and they believe that explicit blackmail is exactly what needs to be confused, as the application itself is a question. they don't think it's a question. i understand mike's question. why didn't you send your nato troops there? because they don't want to deal directly with russia why why because there are no mandates for this and even more so since they don't think so. seriously, only in the mandate a business. if you want, i will answer mike no, no. er, this is

going well. why introduce ukrainian? yes , i understand, but i will answer, i will answer, do not send your troops there, because you understand very well that this is exactly what president putin said about, that if you find yourself there, it will not seem enough to you , therefore you do not send these troops there. you're wrong in thinking they don't take it seriously. you wanted a replica, please. eh, so michael you must understand. you are an analyst. yes, and you must understand not only what you see, but also what further will be, and further will be, as i can say, the next further will be an escalation of retraction and the united states of america is not with them. and nato is an updated conflict, there will be further attempts, for example, to supply long-range missile artillery, and with a range of 300 km and further e, there may be attempts. uh, deploy f-16 aircraft. p o

p3 there may be such attempts, in addition, uh, what other retraction, maybe from russia it is quite likely. i expect this will be action to oust us intelligence planes, avaks, which hang over the region and in fact. they direct all this from there from the air, there can be actions against satellites, which give not only indications of targets, e american satellites, but also point these same missiles at the target from above. uh, these are all escalation steps that can't be played back. and where there will really be a direct collision. we must understand that these are the next steps. yes, uh, or we don’t understand that these are the next steps, that somehow suddenly at some point we wake up and find out in the morning that everything resolved that there is nothing more, no

hostilities, where and when they will stop the issue. yes, uh, mister planer, others here asked the question, where and when will this all stop, if there is an understanding of our former american partners, where can this be stopped and in what ways? i think that it is impossible to read when the lion's share of the occupied territory is on chickens in ukraine how will love be released? so, rostislav combed it. let's see, now i'll show everyone the headlines that came out actually, and in western media. let's see the nuclear threat to the west putin is warning ukraine's allies that he will use weapons of destruction. uh, enraged putin himself threatens the west with nuclear weapons and declares in a chilling appeal. i'm not bluffing the guardian putin again flirts with the bleak prospect of nuclear

war the russian leader's speeches mark the biggest escalation and fears of unprecedented catastrophe. so look, you can, in principle, you can, in principle, treat this as some incomprehensible memory is impossible. and you can, but you can, but treat it like preparation, and there i don’t know my people or people, there’s someone else, someone else to the fact that this scenario will be and will be to blame for this scenario. it will be putin who will use this projectile, and therefore, in fact, we, the knights of goodness and light, will actually be ready, and to strike with nuclear weapons in russia as well. so people get ready. do you think they have a script in general, what do they want? well roman e in the west, of course, there are a lot of idiots. well, not all, and if if the west and its war with russia would be led by idiots. we should have been in paris by now across the ocean across the ocean, it's just

hard to sail. and so we would already be in paris and would go to the louvre with you. here. uh, you understand, you are standing among the ruins of international law, seriously discussing with your guests that the inhabitants of melitopol can vote for the inclusion of zaporizhzhia in russia and this will give a reason. accept nuclear weapons to preserve territorial integrity, which means you are asking and what they are really ready to use, of course, they are ready to use, so, uh. the only thing that always holds back states of confrontation, including from a nuclear one, is the system of international law. it only works as long as it is recognized by both parties. that is, as soon as one side says, no, this does not concern us, the system is being destroyed; the americans denounced us; this does not concern the systems of international law, it is destroyed, so you can not remember to referendum. there, not in kosovo, not in catalonia, not in abkhazia, not in

ossetia or transnistria no there in the donbass and so on. this is of no interest to anyone. yeah, it means only the right of the strong is interested. yes, the west believes that it is stronger. and the west believes that it can fool russia economically for the entrance. naturally, he does not want to enter into a direct confrontation, because ukraine is fighting profitably . yes, the west gets the united states is really ready to sacrifice europe. there is no great joy, but it is not ready to sacrifice europe in order to remain the only winner. in the end in europe - it's nothing you yes means, but you ask if they are ready? yes, if i would think that we are not ready, i would say it is necessary to change the president. and they are also ready. any nuclear state in a conflict in a crisis should be ready to go to the end of your forecast when it actually works. here is the diagram. i don't know when, but i've been saying for almost a year now that i believe that

sooner or later nuclear weapons will be used in ukraine for one simple reason, the confrontation is really escalating. yes means west really comes out directly the clash with russia is simple, because the arguments are over and the next step must be taken. this means that russia is already ready for its part to take the next steps to raise rates. so why am i talking about ukraine because there are hostilities going on, and because it's not a pity ukraine is not nato and ukraine is not russia, so ryan is not dimensionless as resources for implementation they are dimensionless. i'm talking about launching a nuclear strike in this way you can demonstrate the seriousness of your intentions, but do not hit. to your geopolitical opponent and say, well, this is the last step. yes, you understand, the next tent will be actual nuclear weapons. by the way, since the seventies, the americans have been considering the possibility of waging war with the use of toxic weapons. here is a simulated

tactical nuclear weapon situation. well, because it is possible ad infinitum. in fact, ukraine is fighting to pump up ukraine. as you say, it is beneficial for them, but they will not be able to fight in ukraine indefinitely. yes, a in at some point, this is it, but as they say, strength will give, uh, a crack, and everything will roll on this. or, on the contrary, let's say we get tired, yes, well, i'm trying different options, we'll get tired even then. as you say, this is a tactical nuclear weapon on the territory of ukraine and after that, let's say it explodes in kiev. uh, tactical nuclear combat isolate the americans say. well, of course, it was russia that hit. yes, yes, so the whole of europe believes. so all their allies believe them. so our allies may not believe them. they can believe in general to pretend that they were passing by , but it does not interest them the world was born into two camps long ago, our opinion does not interest them. they are not of interest to us. so they consolidate nato in this way and say, you see, they have already used nuclear weapons,

the next poles, so we need to use something in return. we need to strengthen against them not only the sanctions move has already been made. as you say, there are terrible weapons out there, they should already. they tell their next we must protect. we must prevent further russian aggression. and there, by the way, mike will perfectly tell me well it turned out. i got it. so, uh. it is necessary to consolidate and respond. it is necessary to stop russia here, not to give, if the following is done, the americans are responsible. no, not america, this does not mean the slow use of nuclear weapons, as then because you can answer. indeed, it is possible to respond with a non-nuclear strike by starting support for ukraine by introducing nato contingents into its territory link. but then how does it work. ah and nothing then again then before us is worth question. we tolerate this and continue to wage a conventional war,

provided that their mobilization resources are much larger than ours means, or we do not tolerate this and actually deliver a nuclear strike in response. i understand. or another tactical one, according to the grouping that they lead, as a result, they think also czech, guide. you see, the poles have also been covered . any crisis, but it flutters that way step by step. yes step by step what today it seems impossible. tomorrow it becomes on here, in what is really the algorithm exactly like this, that is, before these grandiose nuclear exchange nuclear strikes. of course , tactical nuclear weapons will be used at the beginning. this is understandable, but i hope that it won’t come to that, because it’s good otherwise, but each side understands that if it stalls now, it will be destroyed by a nuclear strike now. and if her own, if she doesn't want to slip, so she must deliver a nuclear strike. that is

this is some kind of zugwang, as they say, but any decision is bad and, uh, and it is both decisions. whatever position you heard, the western position heard negotiations with russia is possible, after it withdraws all troops from ukraine, negotiations will begin and paid reparations. so this is an acceptable position for us. we agree to negotiate on such grounds. you yourself said that everything they say is in one ear and what we say. therefore, for us and for them, there remains only an argument of strength and well, i understood, but partially mobilization with us means if the reaction is immediately americans, if the reaction is american. well, let's see what olya said we have means, see this statement is a violation of its own promise. putin is not to mobilize the population of putin, his minister. the defenses sent thousands of their compatriots to their deaths badly, and equipped with the era of the guided, no threats and propaganda can hide the fact that ukraine

is winning this war. and here, please, says the whole, and the head of the military department of britain means, ukraine is winning this war, and there is a statement from our minister. defense. there is a statement from our president. we've heard it all. let's listen to what he said, and sergei kozhugen puck. let's listen to the migration resource, that is, the resource of those who have not served, those who have used those who have military specialties, almost 25 million. thus , you can understand that this is mobilization, partial mobilization. is it so 1% or a little more can the line of contact itself be called or not the front? can't touch it anymore 1.000 km? naturally, what is behind and what is there this line - this must be fixed. it is necessary. uh, these areas need to be controlled. and, of course, in the first place it is for this that e is done. here

, uh, this work. i mean, partially mobilization, it seems to have been announced. everything seems to be clear, but at the same time, a huge number of questions immediately arose. and what is called here began, so, well, what they say is that ukraine is winning. it’s like, i understand. i even have illustrations of how ukraine wins. so interesting you know. i was just not too lazy to take a look. the area of ​​the annexed territories means that ukraine, which is winning, has already lost and it's not over yet. it's not evening yet, so 108.844 m², what about? i say 108.000 844.000 square kilometers. so, look to be clear. it's more than, uh, guatemala. well,

it wasn't enough. let's go through europe. this is more than iceland and i have 103.000. this is more than hungary 93.000. portugal 92.000 and serbia 88.000, azerbaijan 86.000. austria 83.000. and the czech republic 78,800 m, ireland 70, 273, georgia 69,700 i won’t talk about them at all from lithuania. yes , it’s not necessary, in general, in a word, under the ukraine that wins and which we are told , the british minister of defense is losing. it's just a grandiose grand minus of kharkov, this is all a minus of kharkov, i must say, kharkov how many squares were it still a minus, how many owners are there? when he says that a wins? i say she lost four denmarks or whatever two denmarks four israels yes two denmarks four played out, so, all right, and mobilization. here

they see, how they turn yes dmitry, that is, we announced mobilization, because we are losing. but they win, everything seems to have been announced, but a huge number of questions arose, and the bow was enough in general, in principle, at the start of the information, or do you think that it was necessary to give this information in advance and in large quantities. and i think that it was necessary to give more, because rumors immediately spread, and rumors are always born, where there is a lack of information, therefore, in fact speaking, when clarifications came out now, on the defense about who is subject, who is not subject, please, it is very detailed and, in fact, this should have been done simultaneously with the president's speech. i have such a simple question. here's to everyone say a. well, we always have this why we are all after, but it was impossible to do all this in advance. it seems to me that if we would have done all this, there would have been no questions in advance. and look at roman, uh, in principle,

there is such a problem. uh, serious with what we are we are losing the information war. that is, as if we are trying very hard. we now have, as it were , activated, all the various resources, and so on and so forth. but as if from the other side, the car is several times stronger. it is better knurled, it works on the knurled one, and so on. there is control over social networks, and so on, and in this sense, in a natural way, as if this big monster is opposed by a small group, which means russian active information workers, that is, but the fact that we should do this more actively there are no questions, another thing is that how to do this then you need to allocate appropriate resources, and in this sense, even the topic of nuclear war, which we are now discussing, after all, it also, as it were, fits into this, yes, that is, there is a huge informational hype about and, as it were, the possibility of nuclear war, yes, but attacks on our president about the fact that he threatens something there, and so on and so on. and what about this informational hype. in which our voices, unfortunately, are still

heard very weakly. yes, but they lead to the fact that, as correctly said, public opinion is being prepared to some decisions. yes, and sort of, well, in my opinion. that is, i do not rule out the threat of nuclear war. unfortunately, as it were, yes, because even if you look at uh, relatively speaking, despite the reports of this very northern economic forum in davos. yes, which every year makes such a global risk repost, that is, the global risk report. there, the best experts from all over the world sit and talk. what will happen, what won't happen. so for the last 5 years, they regularly talk about the risks of nuclear war, which once was there at the very lowest positions. rising to the top today. yes, and there, as it were, almost as if in the first place or in third place. yes, interestingly you are shown the hours of the created day. someone has it, we'll have to look. that is, it is also there seconds left. that is, this story is holding on. this story is still informational with a warm-up. she is very dangerous indeed. yes, and, as it were, but i would like to believe simply in the

sanity of those politicians who will at some point press these very buttons, and in in this sense, for me, for example, the topic with referendums is such an outstretched hand from our side that guys, now we are holding referendums. these people have expressed their good will, and when we join russia, let's fix this line, as it were, and stop there. whether they hear us or not. well, i honestly don't know. well, as far as i understand, vladimir vladimirovich that we are not satisfied with this very line, because another part of the territory has been liberated for me. no, i mean, you have five. well , that is, as it were, yes, that is, in the sense of four yes kherson zaporozhye donetsk luhansk you have four. well, as if i drew a line, they voted, joined, fixed the line. well , i don’t know, well, i don’t know, i don’t know, nothing, i don’t know for the first time sergey borisovich well, how is he really ? uh is not enough and, by the way, pay attention, uh, for the period of mobilization, the status of a serviceman under a contract. yes. it is in the very decree of the president that further preservation

of the workplace is said. yes, it is written here, but in the law there is such no only now amendments are being made to the labor legislation. yes, credit holidays, but the law does not have it. there is a central bank recommends that banks give credit holidays, banks wanted to and did not heed the recommendations in other words. it was written here, but it is written here. but this must be fixed by normative acts, and we are doing it. it's rushed and catching up with the situation it 's bad. yes, but why do you know? it seems to me that the big problem is still you know what it is, that a huge number of people who do not know exactly what it will look like. everyone made statements as soon as the president. e declared, then shoigu declared that a huge number of different respected people appeared in different clothes. these same people sit with us both in the federation council and in the duma, and the committees are headed by both former generals and non-former generals, and each made a statement. as a result, they confused everyone, and as soon as our people confused,

some of them began to get scared, some of them were different there, but in general they were in such prostration , they did not understand what was happening, what would happen tomorrow. and those who turned out to be just like that, you know, trembling ran. actually, then at the nearest airport. well, that's wrong, in my opinion. yes , you need to somehow work differently with everyone with this whole process. let's take a break now and come back and continue in a few minutes literally. on september 24, ntv and hardcore media present the main fight, a grand event in the history of russian boxing, the denouement of the cult confrontation between two heavyweights, 13 years long, alexander emelianenko vs. vyacheslav datsik and also wbc world champion, dmitry kudryashov and the undisputed champion the toughest puncher in fisticuffs, hardcore soslan september 24 cska

arena live broadcast on ntv 22:40 moscow time general partner of the tournament betting company alibed or is it at all the box office of the city and on the website of the hardcore show .ru with our guests, but about partial mobilization. why, what is going on in our country just for the sake of justice, how do you provide information from the other side. yes, as if fueling all this, if your decision is made, well, relatively speaking here now, that is, you, and you change the situation at the frontezation. it’s like you go out to people with a statement and so on, you just don’t have time lags in order to have time to quickly prepare. everything, how to pass laws for information channels and everything else, i will explain the rest, if you begin to understand that this decision may arise and due to certain circumstances there

initially, when you actually start a special operation there. you must have all the options, as they say, yes, there are in stock. and if you understand this, that you at least get ready, there and then further and so on somehow, but this is ok, but something else surprises me. you see, i say it again, everyone who is not too lazy to make a statement. and if we are talking about deadlines about deadlines, yes, there was not enough time to prepare in advance there. it's not the same as it used to be. mishustin mishustin gave the decision, the order to the deputy prime minister on e, we explain the point of the russian federation on the site to launch this site by analogy with the coronavirus, remember yes, the site with the coronavirus. it worked right there. well, it worked right away. just two will leave information. there are absolutely questions students will be asked by people, the most popular ones will be published. there will be students everywhere and in telegram channels and other social networks

. no, they won’t, but there will be insurance, about which you told me during the break, it will be like this, like this, like that, but did you cripple or kill? yes, there are a lot. it goes with this very information, but it took all of that, how much we had just one day was enough for this machine to work and this and that is a good story, but for some reason we don't get it that way. well, because this is exactly how such an algorithm that has just been described, we are waiting for a decision from then we start to think how to implement it, but it really shouldn’t be like that any strategy should be based on the assumption of the worst scenarios and the worst options, but these are the basics of any strategic thought, respectively, under these worst-case scenarios. you should always have all sorts of options for action. definitely in advance, without waiting for this or that decision. e. and by the way, this is how our opponents. just look how long they have been waiting for

the word mobilization to appear in the official space. you remember, they were preparing for a long time. yes, but as soon as the word was spoken. you see, you saw what was happening right away, right? already pre- prepared fakes of fake orders of the governors of some kind of video that we have a traffic light there somewhere, something, someone, someone, this is the most possible, dispersing this panic. here i was waiting, waiting only for a click and instantly centralized. you were showing centralized headers. yeah, uh, newspapers about nuclear blackmail nuclear threat. but in exactly the same way, newspapers came out today about mobilization, alleged panic in russia, and so on and so forth, everything was waiting in the wings. everything was prepared. by the way, we worked during the great patriotic war. actually. e works in a coordinated structured way across all the various channels, including knowledge work, e, engaging and advocating and

so on. this word was not for us or did not have a negative connotation, and therefore it surprises me that now we are actually approaching this as know something. formation warfare, as has often been said, is something of a minor secondary, and so on. here is sergei borevich, who wants to ask a question. yes, for example, he says, well, what are you quoting, too, expert ben hodge with yes, well, that you find experts, so forgive me. and what are we to do, sergei borisovich, if this benhot is now the main thing, the talking head on all western channels, and on all newspapers, all the front pages of american british german newspapers. ben hodgesban. hodges comments throughout. it's not by chance, too, yes, here, as soon as he is in the past, of course, only last friday. he came out on the front page of the daily telegram with an article about what needs to be done with a disintegrating russia, which will have to be scattered and how to divide it, then with a click right there let's go,

all kinds of kremlin analysts legs to develop this topic to promote the president of estonia here the same showed up, by the way, on the article of hodjas. that's literally. the same day, speaking at the opening of the nato headquarters summit there in tallinn, what did he say? to work on the destabilization of the situation in the russian federation openly without hesitation, they say it was our big mistake that we were afraid to work on this in the nineties, and here we must also understand. it turns out, vladimir vladimirovich , that we didn’t prepare all this texture in advance, we, we turn out, also helped. in fact, roman and moreover, now we understand that all the masks have been dropped, all uh, these are equivocals. e talk about how the rules of international norms are arranged and so on. all this the west rejected just as true dissolution. i told you about this, yes, when they are right. they say that we

are working on the collapse of russia. we are working on destabilizing the situation. in russia, it surprises me that we still do not study. we can do the same there in the west. maybe it 's okay to talk. now , for a moment, i combed this question, and the partial mobilization of 300,000 people. mm, what will change with us right now, and on the line of contact there will be more density characteristic of the front line. so at this very generals will have more reserves. in principle, it will be possible to carry out deeper operations, not to seize each village by months, which means to try, uh, to break through to advance, in the void, and so on. well, let's see how it will turn out in the future, but, in principle, with some luck, this allows the intellect and organization to end this crisis much faster, and by the way, i think that when the military

came to the president, it meant with a request to undergo partial mobilization. and apparently. they are his very long persuaded a couple of months. so, they promised him that after we get additional opportunities. we will quickly close this topic, because i very much doubt that they came and said, vladimir vladimirovich, now 300,000 in a year, 500,000, then another 20 million. we have 25 million years, five reserves. yes , let's go, let's do more. no, i think they came and told vladimir vladimirovich now 300,000. and we are completing this topic in six months, so this needs a serious load on the mental state of society and the economy even these 300,000. that's because e patriotism is good, but people including them break away from their work of their career. in their own business, families begin to experience one thing when you, uh, just war is your profession. well, you went to war. therefore, everyone is used to firefighters dying in a fire, and another thing is

when you are mobilized, this is not your profession, you were torn out of your usual way of life, it hurts your family and so on, therefore , they always try to limit such things in time, therefore i say that from my point of view, now the army will try to resolve the issue with ukraine as quickly as possible . that is why, by the way, i say that our opponents also think about it, and they are trying. e this opportunity to stop, that is, not the old one, they will still try to drag this topic out. and so i think they have the opportunity, yes, that's why i say that they, since they run out of mobilization resources in ukraine, they need legally from their point of view. legally. yes, not from ours to send some nato units there at least to the rear areas, there and so on, so i say that we expect uh uh, uh, another century of confrontation. they aren't going to give up either. we don't collect. they are going to join. yes, sergey, at first i agree with

one phrase, it is very important that time has accelerated. indeed, the time factor is now becoming decisive from this very moment. here's a scenario. this is a question for one speaker and another. imagine a situation. so we carried out this partial mobilization and called on all 300,000 human. yes, before they were trained, they delivered before, the place entered. they have been in battle for 3 months. you can imagine, but let's say the situation has not changed drastically. she remained the same and what's next is really up to a million to go. indeed, even now, even after 300,000 e is announced, it seems, although directly in the text, this is not, what exactly 300,000 the minister of defense called this is some kind of working intention for the near future, but this is not at all some kind of border, not a limit, not ceiling. uh, uh, hmm something must change behind this

fast enough or it shouldn’t, if it doesn’t change, we are already seeing the situation, for example, there is such a levada center recognized as an inogent, and in accordance with russian law, they conducted a survey curious uh, 44%, and the past ones immediately spoke in favor of uh, negotiations in order to resolve the situation , the levada did not have such figures, which are quite critical. and now 44%, in order to and on a. you messed up something, but it seems to me that after all, uh, after all, a turning point in moods has emerged. eh, people really want for all this to end. uh, on the battlefield in a normal person. i would like the world of butterflies to be around, fly for any second to themselves, yes, and more than a father, but it happens when circumstances

develop a little differently. and as for these figures here, i don’t really trust these comrades there, huh? but, but here's what i agree with the fact that you need to speak in a normal language, just in the usual normal language, so that there are no these shoots, there for any money there abroad, and they flew to yerevan, and flew to alma-ata where are they there just did not fly madness. i even wanted to check in fact, but really all the tickets are sold out there or not, yerevan just takes some crazy ticket prices. this is true, but most of all i liked the routes in order to get to yerevan , you had to fly from moscow, uh, sverdlovsk to yekaterinburg 11:00 spend in yekaterinburg from there fly to sochi 12 hours stay in sochi and only then fly to yerevan a about alma-ata there in general through krasnoyarsk at the beginning of st. petersburg, then krasnoyarsk, then alma-ata, that is, some kind of madness. why did these people run there? they

just had to explain, it was necessary to initially give this information and the second is the same story with the exchange. with the exchange, this is what we have received over the past few days with the exchange and the same and the same. we are and how did we know all this , who just didn’t tell us in the night, well, someone didn’t media then, but i would like, but i would like to see these shots. here, which i will show you now and then listen to just normal human language, all seasons. why was this decision made? well , let's take a look here. yes, our plane has arrived. here our guys come out. now listen to what they say heard. well, listen again. we must be released, we are the capital of our motherland, everything is fine. wipe, look, the wife is there, and the second woman. yes, the mine was 21 days

thanks to the doctors who pulled us out after the beatings , the humiliation was more moral, as traitors to the motherland, just like we are in the donetsk region, which is happening there. what if there were 10 minutes before how did the pictures of the atarabs go, there or from someone else, we would have heard, let's say, something like that look guys and there we had trouble. you are aware of the kharkiv direction. you know that our prisoners are there. and over these prisoners. they are tormented, tortured, that only they do not do with them. but actually, mom and here is the wife. and here, let's say, here is our officer. yes,

he is there, his mother is old. but, let's say, our sergeant, and he has three children, mashenka vityusha is there and sashenka, please, look, and so we accepted that these guys need to be brought home by hook or by crook at any cost. well, if anyone has any questions, let me know. well, at least someone would, for example, would begin to resent that these bastards were needed there, i don’t know how to cut off everything that is possible there . and that's impossible. it is technically possible, why is it impossible, but why each system has its own advantages, often these advantages become its disadvantages. so our system in terms of information is extremely closed. this allows you to periodically surprise enemies with original solutions. but this extreme closeness periodically causes the society those questions that you asked. they asked the enemies to leave, but for the society. no you can not. this is exactly the same as in the soviet union it was impossible to fly. a holiday in spain had its advantages, but in

spain it was impossible to fly on a holiday. and as soon as they flew, the soviet union disappeared. here, too, the system either works or does not work, and it does not work there, attack here, otherwise rafael means about i have to say this, because i thought, well, well, i must say. we are constantly talking about what a colleague said about the information war. russia is losing wars it does not come to when we accept this challenge. we always as they say we convince, it is in our history it is in our blood, but i must say that everything we are talking about now is not claimed by the political leadership. i’m talking with us now, here are their officials who solve these issues, one of the first shocks is my work in america when i started there in the nineties, when we met in the press club in washington it was a huge number of people of a wide variety of small, but independent think tanks who went here to meet with journalists. they asked, and how was it interesting in russia, if such

nice people were all former headphones, as a rule, you understand from this, they all wrote, they all wait for the state. they made analytical notes. that's all that we are talking to you now, the lord would have been there for several months and back. excuse me, roman, not you. but maybe someone else would have invited us, and maybe we wouldn’t be standing in front of the cameras right now, but he would have asked us the questions that you are now asking us. and what do you think, that's how he turned to vladimir vladimirovich colleagues the man himself. vladimirovich, there is such an idea, we must return the guys. what do you think, you don’t need to ask me an americanist, but you need to ask a huge number of people there. thank you guys, how is it, how to do this? maybe, then ask me the guards, but in international terms, how will it be? here is how it will look like? well, pr, well, as much as possible i tell my students this in the first year of political science, when i spoke journalism, pr - this is not what it really is, though the picture does not show itself, which is the difference is what it really is,

unfortunately, and what it looks like here is what it looks like as you described the novels. and here's how it actually is. here is what you said in your second part about children about everything and here i want to repeat once again there is no demand for this, this is absolutely not what i hope that the situation will change, because i just didn’t understand people were doing, doing whatever they were doing calculations, how much we gave away, how much we got someone to talk to? but it goes there, i don’t know, but some kind of firewood is simply incredible. i understand this, i understand, that's it, this is the degree. actually, there is a negative there hatred for these freaks. this i understand everything, but it was just necessary to understand why it was done, but no, everyone was talking only about the same thing, but as soon as these video frames appeared. as soon as they began to tell what happened to them, everyone immediately understood everything. so you need to play ahead. yes, sergei, you know, but really,

but, but there are such weeks and days as which become a critical test not only for politicians and diplomats. well, for us informants and actually. this is a week, this is just such a crash test, including for us for our transmission now, because such transmissions are seldom the force of the events themselves. what do i want to say? do you know, huh? well, so my fate has developed, that i also spent, so to speak, in the trenches of the cold war, so to speak, there for more than ten years as a young man, coming and, after all, in the soviet years. we had a telegraph agency of the soviet union, but there was also a press agency. yes, in which i actually served for more than 10 years as a young man, but the question arises. why was it necessary to have, if there is one agency tass well, not just a roof, so to speak, for the kgb officers no, there was useful work carried out, which was not yet the word pr, but then we explained exactly

explained, you know, there were counter-propaganda propaganda sections. it wasn't some negative dumb. here is such a dolbilovka. yes, it was smart. and now, uh, i remember somehow these instincts i have, so to speak, still young. i'm thinking, here's what i'm supposed to do. that's what the cold war had to do. and yesterday, for example, some telegram channel. you all must have seen this this man, who is standing with a beard and saying something , that here i am, scientifically speaking, they grabbed me there, right? here you remember, yes , everyone discussed it here. yes, but fake yes, and then something like that, after the intervention of the jellyfish, he was brought into the ter-moscow terror defense, which does not exist at all. yes, you understand, just like here, i think, then i would be here, let's say i'll be the deputy chairman of the apn there. yes, i would say. find out who it is. ask him who paid him? who

forced him while under the camera, that's all tell. yes, who is this? i would spin this story. understand the most. now. in principle, this can be done. yes, go from here to explain who this person really is, what motivated him when he lied, who spread it? through what channels and this is called counter propaganda. that is, it is actually information work. this is no it, so to speak vparivanie. yes, the most information war. here, yes, here, if someone did not understand what it was, but it was lost, you understand, so to speak, because this is about formation. thanks to all this is the same information war, because i, for example, have heard these questions many times. what is an information war? and what kind of hybrid war is this, that's exactly what it looks like. somewhere i came across a figure that, since the announcement of partial mobilization, more than 600,000 fakes have been thrown into our

information space. what is the information space? you go to telegram , you go there, i don’t know, in odnoklassniki vkontakte and in the chat. you can teach the list of recruits to this house chat, and then it turns out that it's just a unified database, there are food deliveries, there are some other services, for sure. here are all those who are now watching me in one of them, probably in the chats of this story. there is a story about the exchange. do you remember, a thousand thousand militants, israel gave in exchange for one of his soldiers, what we all said then, well, we rejoice we admired and said. well , look how cool they are, they are ready to give a thousand in order to save the life of one and they showed, then this guy and before that they showed there is a family there, everything-everything-everything is there, as soon as we did exactly the same thing, the reaction was completely different, but at the start it was precisely because they didn’t finish the information.