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people endowed with knowledge and technology homoscience presents a program on how science will change our lives in the next 10 years. i am vladimir antokhin. i am ekaterina shuvaeva in 10 years of peace will abandon the bologna system. that's exactly what he said. well, it seems to me that we have come out and everyone, maybe, will repeat after us, just invited optimists who believe that in 10 years the whole world, and not only russia, will abandon the bauman system. this is natalya yakovleva, a specialist in problems of education good afternoon and stanislav bushev philosopher. hello hello good evening. traditionally, i have skeptics visiting. this is fedor bells. chemist good evening and alexei maslov at that age. good evening at the end, the program of our guests optimists will make a forecast. what is the probability of peace in 10 years? will abandon the bologna system about the history of the bologna system, our expert professor kapustin will tell a quarter of a century ago, officials from the formation of four

european countries created what we are today we call the bologna system or the bologna process, if very briefly, the essence of the bologna system is to unify curricula in order to expand the mobility of students. behind these beautiful words lies the true goal of poaching successful students. and graduates to european and american universities in russia the bologna system appeared 20 years ago, along with huge subsidies from abroad, officials from education began to actively assimilate them, so they absolutely did not understand what they were doing and what there will be consequences and it is not at all surprising that the minister of education could not answer the president's direct question. and why do we need bachelors at all? still, there is one good news. in june, it was announced that all

russian universities left the bologna system. or just interesting announced. in general, let's figure it out for you by the number of questions i completely forgot. you are with us master or bachelor. true, i'm just an engineer of automated control systems, i don't think i'm afraid, i don't even know what it is such. and you are them. but i even brought my diploma on purpose. it's written in my diploma. here is an engineer manager, but at least not a physicist, a ballerina is already doing well. yes a natalya gennadievna well, masters and bachelors, indeed. that's who came up with this at all and why and who had the idea in russia to use these names to thank someone, so to speak, if you look at this process historically, otherwise in europe in general it was already a long time ago and for them it's not even a decade , and centuries,

for example, if hmm talk about the first bachelors, then and u were called just called canons, the so -called a hmm priests who taught theology at the university of paris back in the thirteenth century, that is, for them it is again. for decades of aviation, and even these centuries, there have been discussions between universities within the university scientific community all the time in europe. and uh. well, so to speak, they called a truncated higher education as well. ah, pluses and minuses. good bad again is these discussions all the time. and if we talk about europe, then this is the two-level-level two-stage system. it arose not so long ago, but only at the end of the 20th century. and when hmm it was accompanied,

including by economic and political processes , we must not forget about it, because the education system, especially the modern one, does not exist in isolation from the economy. and in particular from politics and when a processes have already arisen. and the integration of europe in the euro. there is no union then, there is no europe countries of europe other processes went in parallel to the european union, including in other areas of life, in particular in education and then at the end of the eighties at the university of bologna in one of the oldest universities in the world, then for the first time the idea of ​​​​integrating the european educational process was voiced and in 1999 in 1999, at the end of the 20th century, it was just signed. this balloon declaration was signed by the first 29 european states. as

for russia then? well, to be honest, at the beginning of the 21st century, we looked to the west and oriented to the west even after the collapse. union, of course, well, it’s so obvious, well, the step was to join here in this european space, so in 2003 we signed. this declaration, and in 2007 and our universities switched to this two-tier system, some of the european even twenty-nine powers that signed it had some kind of reverse side of the medal, the reverse side of the coin is what it would seem, uh, good intentions - this is what to unite, e, the university, so that students, teachers, scientists moved, moved from the country, took experience, could study in one bachelor's degree, for example, in one e. university ended from one side to move to the other to receive. eh, magistrate, that is, to study for a magistracy. but there is. i say the other side of the coin. this is

a political economy, you understand, this is the unification into the common economic space and russia has entered it. why not because to learn from experience or not only because to learn from the positive experience of the european education system, but because we must merge into this economic space, including joining the wto, you understand, this country has a reverse medal. unfortunately, there may not be much positivity in this. we entered, so to speak. and how did this affect education in russia, we entered in 2003, i must say that the bologna e, the process we will correct our professor. still , they signed, not so to speak, officials from education, but signed by the minister of finance for foreign affairs, and we in russia on joining the bologna system. here they wrote, not officials from education. ours have already gone there in delegations.

but in 1999 the first. yes, as a matter of fact, but the document was signed in reality the ministers of education have nothing to do with it in general , but it affected the entire education of europe and our country, our country in 2003, in essence , was forced to break down its education system and start fulfilling the formal requirements of the new system, formal, because the substantive requirements. i believe that the bologna process has not yet been fulfilled, because mobility was declared, a competent approach was declared, a single educational space was declared, the possibility of rereading, uh, there are loans there, uh, but to bring together the content of knowledge. that is, everyone would have to unify a little more, i agree. here. uh, according to my colleague, that we

need to take into account those economic political moments, in fact, a large market for migrants. actually. we understand that not just like that, but in europe they suddenly decided to unify everything, because a large number of young people immediately enter the labor market. not always there. their jobs need to be filled with something, and it is clear that such an association affected the fact that the overall average the level began to fall in europe in europe, we will directly have statistical data, because the rectors, uh, and there, here, viktor anatolyevich gardened in the relevant meetings, uh, the rectors of european universities resisted to the end, as best they could, and some still stood up for national education systems in france there is a five-year training of engineers so far, respectively in germany the corresponding system in england fought for their system. there is a little more anglo-saxon model of america at all

recognized. so, we must immediately say that it does not recognize. we retained elements of the national system, but in general the system suffered and the average level, of course, went down. our country, unfortunately, is no exception. oh feel the heat will be a discussion. let's take a break a little. at home on ntv, i have no doubt that for many, starting a search through our program is not an easy decision; often, the search results come as a complete surprise to everyone, his father abandoned dmitry and hope in early childhood. mom at some point came home and did not immediately pay a on what attention, but no, no. i think it's 6 hours there, eight hours there. no, i found an album with photos of us together. he cut them out, that is , so, without saying goodbye, he simply disappeared from life, but they still don’t want to find him, some looking for a

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? give excellent grades 20 years ago, it would have been difficult to get a c grade. yes, they go to universities. now, according to the results of the exam, which were also imposed by the so -called partners. the main goal of the bolognese the liquidation process of universities that we inherited from the ussr and we inherited universities in all areas of aviation construction, agriculture, medicine, theater and law over the past 20 years. we are witnessing a massive degradation of students. and universities yes, of course, we have an excellent teacher. yes, there are good universities, but there are fewer of them. yes, in each group you can find students who want to study, and not get grades for the bribery system. although no one knows anything about her, but at least she has

everyone is hearing. what other systems of higher education exist? we have other options, master's degree. we still have a specialist in many areas of training. we also conduct training at moscow state university and have been training specialists for five years. according to the old system, as volodya and i are still in russia, in many areas in many specialties, the specialist was retained and , uh, studies further. so, on the other hand. there are such statistics. more than 85% of countries use a two-level education system, but not all of these countries have entered the bologna system, for example, china, they also have bachelors and masters, but they are not in the balloon system. that is, the bologna system as it was originally declared. yes, it is primarily two-tier. ah, the higher

education system plus the integration of different countries, if we use the positive experience of the balloon system in russia, then i think that there are many pluses too . so what are the benefits? i just got some students from there. or we just sent our own there. well, besides the fact that m-m. children, students go there, graduates go there, that's actually a plus for them. some of them. some of them come back, unfortunately, very few of them come back, but we're probably getting a little ahead of ourselves. there is one more positive moment. uh. we are all transitioning now. uh, on the so-called simple standards, that is, the employer hires people, focusing on pro standards.