a riddle today she is everything i am marat sindikov thank you for your attention and see you on ntv intermediate result i understand that this is a very difficult decision. what will happen after the withdrawal of russian troops from kherson sun? why is ukraine slowly celebrating the victory and why is the usa hello, this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes

clear? i'm andrey norkin. my colleague is ivan trushkin. we are working live yesterday. that just ended when our program went off the air. vanya immediately told me the news. e about that kirill stremousov died. now we will show you these frames kirill strimausov. as you remember , the deputy head of the administration of the kherson region in recent months. eh, he probably was such an official, like a representative of this region, even before even the kherson region became russia relatively recently, he participated in our program went live. here he died in an accident under the genius announced that the funeral of kirill strimausov. will be held this friday in simferopol, he will be buried by the president of russia signed a decree on awarding the order of courage posthumously, and 2 hours after our program ended. i remember very well. this time is 18:00, because i was driving in a car listening to

the radio, and now it became known about the decision of our ministry of defense, and that we are withdrawing troops from the right bank of the dnieper, that is, we leave kherson and take up defense on the left bank. so, if you are waiting for me to explain my attitude to this now. then i won't tell you anything. but i will explain why. if i support this decision. and i say that the ministry of defense is doing the right thing by leaving kherson, it turns out that these are public calls to violate the territorial integrity of the russian federation in our criminal code. this is article 280, part one, i specifically checked several years of imprisonment this morning, if i do not support the decision, i think that the ministry of defense acted incorrectly by leaving kherson, these are

public actions aimed at discrediting the armed forces the same article 280, only part three, the term of imprisonment freedom, about i don’t want to go to jail the same way, so now we will watch the plot, and then we will give the floor to our respected defense experts. on the left bank of the river, dnieper i understand that this is a very difficult decision at the same time. we will preserve the most important thing in the life of our servicemen. and in general, the combat capability of the grouping of troops to keep, which is on the right bank in a limited area. it is hopeless that in kherson , general surovikin warned 3 weeks ago that perhaps not simple decisions. all this time, kyiv did not leave offensive attempts, fierce battles in recent

days have been going on its western borders of the region. several bridges were blown up on wednesday. in total, according to the suroviki on anna in the kherson direction, ukraine has lost at least nine and a half thousand soldiers killed and wounded since august. at the same time, the enemy tried to attack in other directions , significant damage to manpower and equipment. in october alone, the enemy lost over 12,000 military personnel 18 aircraft 12 helicopters 6 l missile systems more than 200 tanks more than 800 other combat armored vehicles 21 combat vehicles of rocket systems of volley, fire, about 350 mercenaries were destroyed, the commander said about the next provocations at the kakhovka hydroelectric power station, which the ukrainians have been methodically shelling for almost 2 months, along with an increase in water discharge at the kiev hydroelectric power station, which

is located upstream, it threatens, large man-made disaster. in the event that the kiev regime will go for a further increase in let water from the reservoir. or a more powerful missile attack of the kakhovka dam forms a stream of water, which will create a vast zone of flooding will lead to significant casualties among the civilian population . the evacuation of the inhabitants of kherson, according to the general , is completed, in total, more than 115,000 people left the left bank. in the government. they promised to issue housing certificates to everyone who moved to other russian regions of the issuance of new documents has already begun a second home. but it turns out that it is much better to be calmer, so that we live well, and everything is already fine. thank you very much. so, first i want to give maxim anatolyevich the floor, because which is literally there a few issues back two days

ago. well, i don't remember now, because on tuesday you. how would you phrase it feel satisfied with what your prediction is? uh, did it come true? well, am i an asshole or a bastard? sorry to feel her satisfaction. i can say what i feel, let's, yes, but quite frankly, so it turns out for me that in the two darkest days with you, this began its own. i'm in this program, when i first said what it means was on the day when moscow died you somehow didn’t quite understand me, you even tried to giggle somehow. i said that this is a rainy day for me, because since the dry times, the flagship of the fleet of my country has not died. you don't really understand it now. it seems to me that we are already more aware that this is a rainy day. so i think, recognizing this is nasty at heart. i’m not violating a single article of our legislation , it’s nasty in my soul, because since the great patriotic war this is the second such defeat of the army of my country, and after the loss of grozny in

august 96, when it is in progress. the first chechen war was captured by the ichkerians, so bad in their souls , the debriefing ahead says that everything goes according to plan, only idiots can. that's it. well, in the ninety-sixth year there was a story with grozny , but now it is terrible, to put it mildly, as part of russia, a beautiful beautiful city. it means that after some time the situation has changed again. do you want to not see now? that's why? unfortunately, it 's just hard for me to give you any counterarguments. i'm trying to find them myself, you know? why do not you do you think? look at kherson, you analyzed the situation and came to a certain conclusion. yes, what events can develop? this is so bad. for us. that's how they happen and everything happened. why can't you see now? uh, perhaps, options for changing the situation, when everything is

again simply unfavorable power relations. if it were favorable, but, probably, the general would not have done such a thing, the report would have come to such conclusions and shoigu would not have agreed with them. and in the end, the supreme commander-in-chief was forced to agree, then there are situations where the balance of power is not very good, unfortunately not as favorable as it was in chechnya after all, when there was a huge russia and a small one. eh, ikeria, which, well, helped a lot, of course, but not in such a way that our power. there is no need to overcome the situation now, not so much weapons about the balance of power, something logical, really. everything is heard so then alexander yuryevich because maxim i understand from my introductory part that i will not break any law either. uh, when i say that this decision was necessary and compelled. yes, i absolutely admit that the kherson region is the territory of the russian federation , but the situation has developed. so we need to

first of all save our professional soldiers, and not just draw them in. uh, street fighting. a. despite the fact that the route there through, uh, the huge wide dnieper, uh, the equipment would have supplies. well, everything that the army needs, well, practically, how it would become, of course. tell me, please, it became clear to me when i was still performing in october. i am the first single interview and one. when he said that we were ready, yes, and for anyone, apparently, if the commander of the grouping - this is speaking publicly, then this was preceded by some kind of analysis, then the military began to understand, this is still there, of course, but sergey vladimirovich assumed this post of his military. eh, i did the analysis and realized that sergey vladimirovich is not only a military leader, he is also a military scientist. really. he defended his dissertation on interspecies interaction. he looked at all this

and realized that there was another way to win. we don't have then let's say we win, we don't care. well, this is an important point, that is, here you are. you do n’t start against it, maximum back, which does not see positive prospects, let’s say, until now they don’t see these prospects, but these prospects are absolutely clear to me, as a military man. we are taking relatively speaking, we are saving our military this step back in order to then take two or three steps forward, saving the lives of our military , mobilized people are preparing during this time. uh, indeed. pay attention to our secretary of defense when uh spoke. here is the meeting. he pointed out that it was necessary with special care separately to him. yes, and that officers were trained who can be responsible for their subordinates to make decisions. that is, now he said all this, the minister of defense will deal with us. and when we get new units of weapons, when

we regroup our troops, the forces will come, prepared and already mobilized. and as the president said, the volunteers are still coming, they continue to go, people join the ranks of our armed forces. then we i think not only we will liberate the territory of the russian federation, but we will certainly free those people on the territory of ukraine for the time being who consider themselves historically russian and completely unacceptable such things as the demolition of monuments will not be at this important point that we have political victories such as zelensky. ugh , they don't matter. he needs pir pobeda yuryevich would like to apply, because yesterday, when the program was barely over. i just got to the studio. open telegram and saw your large enough detailed post, where you said that events that happen in o, which will be announced in 2 hours. i read yours not

to happen will never happen and you don't believe in it. explain and so on. thanks for the word. at first, i would like to discuss andrey vladimirovich's preamble, which i did not agree with. eh, don't. in this case, appeal to our laws and the constitution for one simple reason. uh, it's a military decision. this military movement is not so political, but due to military circumstances, to which i also referred, and i think that not all the general of the army is surovikin. we left the russian city of kherson left nothing, by the way, we are preparing to leave, most likely, but not yet the russian city of kherson, in order to return there later in the article that you say and the constitution, which was amended, it is about the alienation of the territory. this does not work. it is politically an act of transferring our territory to another state. nobody is anything military.

let's. let's not argue now, because i don't want to get into military history. i did not know, but it means that when i open the criminal code, and there it is written that these are calls for the violation of territorial integrity. they are alienation. and now we will argue with you. i think that 's what you think. well, these are details, these are details, but important details. the devil, as you know , dug into them and dug into these 100, read about the fact that there are harsh people there. well, shoigu is charged with the constitution . this is another story. it was when we left grozny that we did not violate the territorial integrity of the russian federation; it was a military decision. we left grozny and then returned from grozny. we uh, we're trying. uh, hmm somehow fit. yes, yes, we are all trying to live up to the slogan of our program, that here everything becomes clear to me. i am very much not clear. now, for example. e. now, if i didn’t read you, i didn’t know i’m not

talking about it. now i just ran away yesterday. so i didn’t see your post of him, here in the telegram. that is , it turns out that you, too, are somewhat in such a fog. if you say, even this won't happen. it happens after 2 hours. yes? so, let's mean it, so for me. this is also not a simple solution and a bird of paradise in the shower. i have not appeared at all since yesterday. e really story came out e interesting i wrote a big post where i gave a lot of arguments. why you can not leave the bridgehead on the right bank after 2 hours. uh, i found out, uh, that i found out about the decision of the minister of defense, it was an order from they generalykin, being on the air on another channel, uh, and i had to react to it right here. uh, what is called from the wheels roskomnadzor will not ban you for your first reaction no no. no, i the state of water i am able to accept instantly some words, which for this 20 minutes, to accept

the state of water, hot experienced. i do it right away, and yesterday evening at 23:00. i also went live on my telegram channel and with my subscribers. e, i discussed both my post and this decision, so in this case i do not refuse this post, which is most important, because none of my arguments have lost their force. ask any military about the value of a foothold on the other side of a wide water barrier, but it's obvious of course, he is very valuable, as regards the arguments in favor of this decision. i don’t have enough of them for me, from what i heard, in fact, i don’t take humanitarian one alone. and i heard one. this is the impossibility of supplying our grouping, since for the time being, the battles of medium intensity were actually positional battles after our retreat from the northern part of the kherson region. we fixed the front, the positions for this

were enough for one more or less suitable crossing, more or less e, along the kakhovskaya dam hpp a and the crossing, which were regularly welded barges there, there and so on, but with a powerful counteroffensive. yeah, i have to agree with general surovik to ensure our grouping was impossible. i think, uh, it's important to note. we talked about this here, by the way, trich weeks, also four years ago. remember , i talked about a dirty bomb about a clean one, and a clean bomb is the kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, the kakhovka gas dam. i do not rule out that our command has received information that the ukrainian side there was an opportunity to violate the general severoviki. he talked about letting water in. this, of course, is also possible, and that is not about the pussy. it's all over the cascade. yes, yes, an increase in the flow of water can lead to the destruction of the dam, but also a very

incomprehensible story with their weapons. here at night blabbed a byte. i don’t know if i blabbed or blabbed and you’ll be like, let’s talk more now then. let's wait, well, only yes, yes, i'm a little off to the side, so hmm, if there is such information, but i don't exclude it, then at the breakthrough. uh, the kakhovka dams, uh, so that the kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, our group on the right bank, would generally end up on the island of ugu. and then it could be destroyed and captured and anything, so these are the military. and i end here many times talking about the logic of the military logic of politicians, that for a military man for a commander, the territory in itself does not matter, he must win. uh-huh but for a politician this is sacred. let's. we then respond to the reaction of the westerners, because it concerns the information that

they know about us that they don't know ukraine and baidyn itself. although that's about biden. i'm not very. well, you'll see there, it's a piece of the performance. where i do not fully understand what he said to kherson or not. come on, a few hours after the news appeared, and the withdrawal of russian troops from kherson, terrorist president zelensky ordered the creation of four military administrations of the kherson region, in theory , they should not be responsible because the left bank is wrong, and there our military remain kind of rejoiced and odious deputy goncharenko, promising russia new terrorist attacks. today is the red day of the calendar, the day of our victory in november. we must remember this day, the day when kherson was liberated, they leave, because they have a hopeless situation further ukraine cuts off. the dam of the kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, which is absolutely, perhaps they are highmars, and that’s all and then it’s a question, well, for some weeks in the office of the ukrainian president they rejoiced

carefully and suspected that the russian troops were trying to trap everything into a trap with distrust the news about plans for kherson was perceived and in ukrainian command, we are aware that these may well be elements of an informational psychological operation. in the sense that you create an erroneous impression about e true intentions in the west, the events around kherson took their toll. joe biden said he was not surprised by the withdrawal of our troops. true, there is no certainty that the president of the united states fully understood what it was all about. i think the context is whether they output or not? they are troops from the falubzhe, that is, from kherson from the city of kherson, and nato secretary general stoltenberg praised the ukrainian soldiers for their courage and promised continue to support kiev the victories and conquests

that the ukrainian armed forces achieve belong to the courageous brave ukrainian soldiers, but of course the support they receive from the united kingdom of allies and partners. nato is also important moved. after the kherson story, ukraine will fight even more politically. or it will not affect, i don’t think, to be honest, that answers the question. the only thing i would say. i would not characterize how these are potanalities, but the reaction of westerners. uh, leaders, we we do not take goncharenko. of course, this is easier to understand. and how would the characteristics, i would describe it as restrained, as restraint, restraint happens, as if optimistic activity is positive, and vice versa, a hat is a slander. here's how i would describe it, that is, the west did not throw hats on russia yesterday. it was heard from the white house and from stoltenberg and even from kiev, what can you do from this. and i draw the

following conclusion from this, i think that yes, firstly it is important to say again to emphasize any decision that leads to life saving. this is the best solution. and so to speak, for an audience that rybakov still does not have. that's where you can say now, and then absolutely all lives will keep the conditions in the conditions. when and when it’s not clear, when it’s not clear what victory is, so to speak, you don’t need to experience an illusion in order not to be disappointed in short . not to experience, then some mental anguish, don't be delusional. live here. this week there was a stuffing in the media that negotiations are possible, and after that means russia leaves kherson, after which what happened happened, i conclude. my personal conclusion is that there are negotiations, that there is this

diplomatic track within the framework of which discussions are going on in detail. this is just a discussion. yes, from my point of view. this is also a positive step, because any negotiations lead to peace from, from my point of view, the fishermen. some text messages you send, or something, none in the world in achieving peace. i'm auditing here. yes. let's nikolaevich row to us. we don't have a chief pacifist. we will talk about negotiations separately. i'd like to hear from those who haven't spoken yet. eh, actually. here, according to, as it were, the main event, your point of view is outlined. if they have it different from mine, you are all grown men. you perfectly understand what i think, i have they perfectly understand what i can say, yes, andrey, well, i’m basically not going to say this now, because it seems to me that we are all placed in such a slightly strange position, because you have become a hostage of your illusions that

political decisions will be made within the framework of a special military operation. i spoke back in march. i have me as i do not see that there was not going to be any political. but, as it seems, it seems to many that there will be no political decisions, because too often, but our colleagues, but they said, you need to go to the end, and that means the person who is sitting, look, you need to go to the end. means before warsaw, someone before lisbon, but someone threw nuclear bombs. and so on. i was so impressed by this that i sat waiting for us to be there. no , a huge number of people, yes, they were impressed. and when i was wondering from another, now sit here, and when i asked a question to experts who, so to speak, shout go to the end, and you are ready for how many lives are you ready to personally take responsibility, but there is no answer in different ways. you can ask a question, because as far as i remember, when i start from another, i start from another from what

we have a lot of people watching. there across the country, there are millions of spectators. if we start here to fight in the train of shouting that everything is gone, nothing is missing. so you can’t do this, you understand, if i’ll completely forget about it, and i will always say that what i say i feel like that, and you can also be wrong, because my point of view is that a journalist should always. well, as a doctor, the main thing is not to harm. i’m talking about this in half of my books, that’s why all this information war of mine is devoted to harm and be honest by myself i have a conscience, because honesty. so vital alexander talked about honesty, i just want to note surovikina that he was extremely honest in this matter. he did not bustle, you know, he did not try to build some kind of aerial structures. you imagine how general surovikin. now we all have the opportunity to watch how he behaves, how he speaks. here, so that yulia is like this in general, maybe you understand that this needs to be released, because the person sticks said in advance. before that, what could be

very unpopular difficult decisions. yes, not simple preparation for public opinion. he just called a spade a spade. that is, yes, in the report of mr. shoigu, he said that in october 12,000 people lost more than 12,000 people in october alone. yes, do we really want the same thing now, yes, to keep kherson to kill 20-30.000 people of our soldiers. yes, who have families waiting there. this is completely unacceptable. they will say that you need a heavy popular solution. all you enemies. uh, our people will say, but the situation when we must appreciate and save life. our soldiers could have been prevented from going there without sending them. that's what they will tell you, i hand over we are not bandera, kiev, we are not a terrorist regime for us, the lives of our soldiers are important. this is what the kherson direction is just throwing cannon fodder at now, and it doesn’t matter how much they will lose, when zelensky is told that he has lost

half a million ukrainians, he goes to london to shoot. i don't know or write regular comics. well, just don't care. well, conditionally, maxim sends signals there every time this song is repeated, that quite say you. it’s just that you already know some kind of bad one will come to london, you perfectly understand that today is a heavy transmission. you know, listen. let's and leps also sang that they would leave to live in london, but in fact they did not leave. yes, there is such a proverb, i don’t know how russian it is not russian, but you know, don’t shout gop. to jump over kherson they did not occupy themselves with wariness, they are very wary of this maneuver of ours. yes, because you know how to look at all this, because maxim says about tsushima, and someone will say about the battle of borodino or someone will say about the tarutino maneuver. i’ll tell you the story, i’ll show you the story again , i’ll tell you, vitalya andreevich read it, read all sorts of enemy voices there today,

though not in the original of this fingers to read, well , yes, over-posted so to speak. they haven’t started talking yet, so about kutuzov and about tarutin. wait now, then they will speak to you, well, it turns out, yes, on the one hand, it is extremely early to announce and you should never at all. in general, i understand what you see here first of all, but such, but informational, maybe , i don’t know the psychological plus in the fact that this was said openly without any such vague constructions on tv. everyone said there is to add that the company actually laid out people from kherson, it started in two and a half, probably even. well listen, i always forget and this is a striking difference by comparison. that is, we saw it all to me, it’s understandable, because, as they say, if we left it all, how could it have turned out, mariupol is the other way around. yes, that is

it is a city with a huge number of inhabitants. they become just a victim of another thing that we have, of course. they didn't close, well, the fact is that the adoption of any decision, right or wrong, is preceded by a chain of yes previous decisions. you see, here is one uh, one event, one decision, the second. third. this chain is being built, then bam. you make a decision right or wrong. why was yesterday's decision preceded? here are some things. i don't know yet, i don't know yet i understand, although i want to know, so nikolai igorievich, firstly, why were you so ugly late? yes, i apologize that this is correct, but i was riding the subway from the very beginning i listened to the broadcast on rutube well, it works very well. e. i liked it that you can hear everything and i want to support what you started with, because it ’s quite obvious that if you agree with this, the limbs will be reminded that it’s not the guests in the studio who

will discuss it e make a decision, but completely different organs, which are most likely make the decision is exactly what you need, therefore. let's all stay within the framework of the legislation, what can i say the first thing i think is that the decisions that are made so that people do not die they are the right decisions in any case. eh, i want to pay attention. for some reason, everyone is talking about the military, of course, such battles, such a confrontation, would lead not only to the death of the military, but also to the death of civilians, because it is clear that it is impossible to withdraw all civilians from s e s to any territory. and so here i want to say that there is one very serious issue that has not yet been resolved, and is not even raised much, which should be guaranteed. well, as far as possible. uh, of course, the point is that this cannot be done 100%, uh, the safety of civilians, not military civilians, who live in territories that are or may now be crossing. uh, in the course of hostilities, who is lazy? one

side or the other, because on those, because we can guarantee it. now, if we are some kind of inhabitants remained, yes, not in any part they remained. i’m sorry. the will of this is an important moment, yes, so we had this evacuation announced, or rather we called it displacement then, those who wanted to leave, it means that there are 115,000 people there, i don’t know how many, but they remained, although i remember very well, in my opinion, mr. balance spoke about this, and maybe kirill strimaus, his kingdom of heaven, that from november 6 there will be forced evacuation in some areas. here kherson is further somehow. here was silence. i didn't understand how they did it. well, it was a way to somehow encourage people who did not decide, but to convince. yes, because, apparently, some part. well people are always so it's them there. uh-huh the land of their apartments, their houses, their roots. they are afraid, but what we saw in the same kharkiv

region, for example. yes, when we left several settlements there, these people came with yellow-blue armbands, otherwise they would kill the locals there. what am i talking about, how can we guarantee? the safety of these people, if they don't want to stop, don't ukraine now cannot exactly when exactly, therefore, when, when the question arises, and what topics can now be negotiated with the involvement of third countries? is this one topic? okay, let's stop, igor sergeevich, i also want to hear what i can say. i perfectly understand your position, which you announced at the beginning. and you don't agree with that either. as far as i understand, this is with my thesis about the prison term. no, i don't agree with this. i agree and understand your position. so i understand perfectly, and the second about my position. it is based on the following. in a war,

even if it is called a special military operation, the most important thing is patience will and nerves of steel without this victory does not happen based on this, i see two options. what position can you take the first position to bite the bullet? let them squeak as they please. endure and believe in victory and do everything possible in your power so that this victory comes the second option, which is possible is to scream around, treason betrayed us. etc. both positions can be explained you can ask for a quote. an arbitrarily small addition means the first option, which is the first position. yes, don't you think

that we limit ourselves a little. here in all this gnashing of teeth, patience is there in faith in victory when we do not call a spade a spade. come on, we really recognize that we have a war going on, we are waging a war, partly a civil one. as the president says, let's remove these terms special operations. wait alexandrovich who is like. it seems to me that we are in something limit and legal morality. let us then ourselves and the guys, we have a war and much will become more clear, i completely agree with you. and not only that, let's start saying, when we suffer a defeat, that this defeat is not to pretend that this is a victory, that this is such a cunning move and so on. what we were doing when the troops were withdrawn from near kharkov and what some are now trying to present the abandonment of russian territory to tell the truth, i say something else. in no case should you start overclocking from the transition

agree. i'm talking about this case, because there are more than enough people who want to disperse. these telegram channels were mentioned here. uh-huh, i stated my position in my telegram channel from me immediately a lot of things were written. come on, yes sergeevich why because igor sergeevich i can come or it's easy to say everything is sold, everything is betrayed, and therefore many people here relate to monitoring a special military operation. it's like they're watching a football match. here ours run across half of the field and score the head of the attacker well done the goalkeeper is an excellent coach, generally fire. if only a little bit on us start to somehow write off the goalkeeper hole coach, the striker without a leg. i will agree igor sergeevich, i will agree. it seems to me that this is a huge mistake when people treat military events like they are like a football match. for many 16 years already in the profession, i have learned one

important thing; i get one important ability to fill up the slurp of my emotions in time. yes, we all really need this skill now, in my opinion, you can answer like this hmm and i agree with you in many ways, except for one thing. we must understand that those who now easily succumb to that is all gone. treason, they have a reason, therefore, these people need to work and carefully work and need to understand. here i am in this studio, if my memory serves me right on monday i said that the most important thing for us is danger. it 's not defeat, even on the battlefield. most importantly, the danger that threatens us. this is february of the seventeenth year, and february of the seventeenth year. it is here in moscow that these are just the same people who, with patriotic motives, go out to save the country, as they think, and now all western centers will work as humans in the most active way. here is the danger. we need to

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i want to reconfigure you a little bit, not about negotiations about negotiations. there, perhaps, it is impossible, and we have been talking for some time, especially after mr. sawan, in my opinion, we are not that saliva. by the way, this is in moscow, yes. well, never mind. they're all the same devils, which means, hmm, when jake sullivan, our security adviser, went to kiev, i want to turn it around just a little bit, not negotiations, but some. scheme, well, roughly speaking, there is an agreement something or not, because many people now have a feeling that after all this is happening for a reason, but really, we were talking about it there, we were preparing for what was accepted. here is the decision yesterday, a few months of people, everyone was taken out , some other things are happening there, well, this is all strange. is it really happening on its own without any secret agreements. many do not

believe in it. can we have a plot. give please on the eve of the american television channel nbc. reported that sullivan in ukraine was trying to test the soil on the subject of the kiev regime's readiness to negotiate with moscow allegedly convinced that this would be a strong move by some american and western officials . there is increasing doubt about ukraine's ability to completely push russian troops out of the occupied territories sullivan raised the need for a diplomatic settlement of the war and stressed that ukraine's influence would be strengthened. and weakened if she expresses her readiness to eventually negotiate with the russians, the american edition of the politician is also sure that sullivan came to softly push zelensky to negotiate, allegedly the rhetoric of the ukrainian leader after the visit changed noticeably, and he, contrary to his own promise. now ready to engage in dialogue with putin again, according to two people in familiar situations, the new position of ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky that peace talks

with russia could begin under vladimir putin in power was directly related to the administration’s gentle push, the biden. it is hoped that this will convince the world that it is ukraine and not russia that wants to resolve the conflict. the version of the american journalists was indirectly supported by the ukrainian press by publishing some kind of peaceful salvan formula, although this plan may well turn out to be another nonsense of the kiev regime. kherson retreats to ukraine and the front is established along the dnieper and further frozen along the line of contact in the zaporozhye donetsk and luhansk regions. ukraine receives electricity from the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant and its critical infrastructure is no longer fired at by rockets. the west allocates a $50 billion loan and part of the frozen confiscated assets of russia for the restoration of ukraine separately kiev obtained modern air defense systems and artillery installations and tanks. and now, as if in confirmation of peace initiatives, the americans, according to the wall street journal, refused to

send gray eagle reconnaissance strike drones to kiev out of fear that this would lead to an escalation of the conflict, because such drones are capable of attacking targets in russia, the head of the us joint chiefs of staff, mark mile in thursday urged kiev and mask quote to catch moment and think about peace talks. joe biden, too, did not stand aside and said that the united states would not supply ukraine with aircraft that it had so insistently sought, kiev asked me if we planned to provide american aircraft to secure the skies over ukraine i said, no, we will not do this. we are not going to get involved in the third world war, take on russian aircraft and directly engage in battle. so alexei gennadievich didn't let you finish. so what do you mean anyway such negotiations? well, in the literal sense of the word, they sat down at the table and took pictures there, yes, or here's what i

called an agreement, that what is called with closed doors is already going on. yes, this is exactly right. eh, from my point of view it happens. i judge only by all sorts of news reports. the first message means gp morgan chase and citibank say the white house administration rather called them. uh, so to speak, do not pay attention to sanctions against part of the relationship, yes, with russian ones. yes, these are limited conditions. this is three days ago, i think. yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and the very head of gp morgan cheese. simply tnk is the largest financial corporation. yes, he speaks on a clean eye, the second factors, what i 'm talking about, and from, too, so to speak. i heard uh, controversy about it. for me it's convinced that a is punching. mutual a russian in ukrainian energy infrastructure and ukraine even now in donetsk is limited , but we see that there are very few victims, but

very few, even ukrainians are hitting donetsk there in a week, in my opinion, two people died shelling conducted, almost every day and there several times a day. this speaks of the controllability of the situation. today, russian troops, which means they are relocating on the left, and right now i have not heard the bank of the dnieper, so far, that the ukrainians are shelling at this moment. uh, russian troops. i conclude. so there are certain agreements, there is a dialogue. thank god that allows you to control. i would say between russia and the united states and the united states i would like to believe that. and this ukraine, yes, it is important. well, then it turns out that the united states really controls ukraine and ukraine is not uncontrolled, it is controlled and quite capable of a treaty. here, in fact, my disagreed maxim anatolyevich

agreed. let's say kiev is not negotiable with alexander. so, as for the agreements about this first. it is precisely within the framework of the topic of agreements that this preamble is included, about which you want to say, because the agreement implies that we are exchanging territories. and this is where our constitution comes into play. this is probably a constitutional crime. so , therefore, no one is possible under the constitution, because the one who goes to this agreement will sit down. that's just stupidly sit down, he's a memory. ah, well, not some synonym for an agreement, or yes, negotiations, that is, a negotiation meeting. you know what a cunning plan they say like this god uh, it can only be in relation to the military operation of the territories of the russian federation of inviolability, which is not completely alienated

illegal operation, namely the political ones, we agreed and with the same consequences. this is how i understood maxim anatolyevich, mr. kazakov, but i will still use the term “agreement”, i still don’t think that this is something criminal, but for me it is an indicator of whether there is some kind of agreement or something like that or not. there will be an unhindered, absolutely correct alexei said, an unhindered withdrawal of our troops. this information is being fought now. well, you're misinforming people. give it started right now saying that i told you will not give you any. if it means movement, then the withdrawal of our troops will be completed without hindrance. for me. this is an indicator that indeed the ukrainians are not delivering the strikes that suggest themselves from the point of view of military necessity. they have the capabilities and american shells, accurate guidance, but,

of course, leaving columns along the only remaining crossing there. but this is an easy misha, if this does not happen, it means that the americans really influence them and have the opportunity to glory. god means there are some agreements so far between us and the collective west, which, as many here believe, governs ukraine yes , it really governs to a pure degree. well , of course there is, listen, we don’t talk about it, because the topic is so viscous, er, delicate, but gastana is an idiot through ukraine. you see, like a visit, i don’t understand a war in which it is called precisely through them. wow, interesting on the other hand. and not why don’t they squeeze us where we have absolutely um, a vulnerable position here with kaliningrad transit, remember lithuanians made. and how quickly the europeans nailed them,

they said. no no no. there is nothing to limit here. i think i'm convinced that certain agreements are red lines, the reddest lines. yes, even now. well, let's look at what we see we see, at best, of course, there will be no formal agreement that russia ukraine agrees on, but a ceasefire, like in korea in the fifty-third year. and why not seoul, by the way, from the point of view of the constitution the democratic people's republic of korea is still part of north america and nothing they are fighting already. for how many years of the fifty-third year, igor sergeevich wanted to make a positive contribution to the positive, although to bring it in because now they will swing it along the line, betrayal is at the top, they shed blood in vain, and so on and so forth, the readiness to surrender everything and everything for the sake of their villas, and so on and so forth yachts and so on , then this public needs to be clearly

explained now. that yes, of course, those who are ready for an agreement have been and will not get anywhere from this get away, but we have that the conflict in ukraine arose because of ukraine we are now going. as she said there, lavrov is a total hybrid war of the west against russia for destruction. this is due to the event in ukraine no. this is due to the fact that the west needs to pulverize russia, respectively, to no agreement. this west will not come with us, it needs to destroy us and the second. here. i just supported alexander, what happened now is there, and plus any negative there is and the positive side is now all those who will suggest. let's agree and recognize this territory already so yeah. they all become defendants in a criminal case. and they need to immediately write a statement to the prosecutor general's office and

send them there. that is, he knows it well, and the authorities will deal with it, and the only thing i want to say, i can’t remind everyone again. says no loss to ukraine and there can be no uh russia and there can be no collective loss. west, this is, in principle, impossible, so you can continue to look for this platform for a long time to negotiate grounds for negotiation. but in the end, this is so, in the end, we still cannot negotiate the whole issue. russia cannot win over the whole issue. well , let's not say the main thing, because we listened to general surovikin's statement, only one part of it, or rather, two-thirds, was not heard. i 'll remind you now and explain what it means by withdrawing our most combat-ready ones. this is the airborne forces market on the

left bank for offensive operations, listen and what does it say? uh, as the commander on the other side of the front? yes, we are preparing for the offensive an operation, and not an agreement, because the most important thing is to be baptized and for a reason. now all these situations about alleged negotiations have arisen around the kherson situation. first of all, they now benefit the western world and kiev, because in this way they demonstrate, supposedly, the weakness of our government. we agreed to leave and so on. although there are no real formal reasons to think so, they are simply heard at home. which are born in some anonymous telegram channels, and then the men from the sofas, in all seriousness, these conjectures are conveyed to us. that's all. so that's it. we'll take a break and be back on the air in a few minutes. under our noses , the fearless hijacker of her police is operating under our noses into a

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here he is on a horse, he continues to stand here in odessa, his faces will succeed in inventing his own story. we are a country that is one and a half thousand years old and on which the modern ukrainian identity is built. this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear, and we continue. well, in the first part it was probably a little out of place. now, i will say the following. here i had a concert last night in moscow, when we then communicate with the audience, they always convey some good wishes there, and to our programs and traditionally, so a huge number of greetings, thank you. they also asked me to deliver. greetings to you, maxim anatolyevich, greetings to maxim yus, mr. yosin. say hello, please, no bullshit is absolutely fine.

why am i saying this, because as a rule, here are our viewers, when i meet them, they say why we love watching your program, because you have a discussion. we may disagree with some opinion, but you have it. that is, we have a really discussion, it's true, a very pleasant one. thank you for thinking that, and talking about it that way, that's how we turn the discussion now at this hour. i think this is a very interesting moment. we were yesterday yesterday we were at the chintobase. yes, how terribly frightening the terms are for me. and so we talked yesterday about the image of the future of our country russia and our very identity. in general, they said that, in general, we are like the russian world - this is a civilization, not russia, but the russian german of civilization agreed. here we come to this. and spoke out such thoughts that russia is in general, and not europe

and not asia, as it were, were very simplifying. we have our own way. and now i'm thinking whether this is good or not, because if we look at what is happening with our neighbors. in general , after all, they also claim that they are absolutely following their own path; for them, this is not the very identity of the self, what is independence? yes , that's how it's translated. what has it come to? well, you and i perfectly see all this process , my god, what is going on with them, all this is based on the fact that they are not russian. here they are not russia needs to be abandoned. there from everything that connects our two countries connected in the past. and, probably, in some way, maybe closer to europe. well, this is noticeably not very good. but in general , this scares me a little, therefore, it seems to me, there is also something to argue about, so that we don’t fall into what is happening now in

our neighbors and let’s take a look today at how they are doing all this, why did all of this happen to them? well let's get relatively of recent processes, those communizations that are underway have begun relatively recently and are now underway. ukrainian decommunization, which began in 2014 with lenin attacks, has been gaining momentum in recent years, especially zealously erasing in ukraine the memory of those who liberated kiev from the nazi invaders, the metro station street and avenues named after marshal zhukova general vatutin are being renamed about the monuments being dismantled in april of this year, the busts were demolished in kharkov. zhukov was recently discussed on ukrainian tv. how is it anyway to dismantle the monument to vatutin on his graveyard, he falls under the law on decommunization, since he was one of those who fought against the ukrainian people's republic during the so-called civil war, in fact. it was the civil

war of russia in ukraine, we cannot demolish this monument, since it is a grave, we need to reburial after february 24, the fight against everything russian in ukraine it became even more intense to urgently get rid of not only the soviet, but also the imperial past, our goal is to get rid of from manifestations of russian influence that remained after the colonial period in our history in order to look to the future we need to break all these ties and move our own way in odessa, the founder of the city of catherine ii fell out of favor on the eve of the authorities announced that it was time to debunk the myth that that it was the russian empress who founded odessa and the monument, which vandals have already desecrated more than once, decided to demolish the attribution to catherine ii of some special role in the history of the city, this exaggeration, we will have to do a lot work, to explain the historical point of view and from the point of view of common sense the real role of the empress and it was in fact the same

annexation, which we, unfortunately. today, the ukrainians don’t like the experience, and the associates of catherine ii alexander suvorov in kiev demolished the monument to the russian commander a couple of years ago, now they want to get rid of it and drive it, if earlier suvorov was honored here. namely, at his suggestion, in 1793, the construction of a fortress began in odessa, he led the transformation of the new city into a major port, now suvorov called none other than the imperial, who is guilty of genocide and deportation. his monument was desecrated in the same way as the monument to catherine, they put a noose around his neck and promised to dismantle it. suvorov suvorov while rockets are falling on the city, which are launched by graduates of the suvorov military schools. andrey nikolaevich here, you can let me

calmed down and was not worried to explain the difference between , uh, our search for some kind of identity, yes, and what is happening with them, because there is some kind of complete coven already there. we won't fall. uh, you something like that. well, the world is changing so much that it says that we certainly won’t fall into something, i wouldn’t vouch, but you still understand the historical ones. both russia and the soviet union are more of a state. not just mono-ethnic, oh, which did not put up barriers at all. here. by the principle of blood, we had jumps, for example, with the fact that the pale of settlement appeared. that's it with this semitism, which, by the way, is interesting , the most important such core of anti-semitism in the russian empire, for which there were problems turned out to be the territory of modern ukraine. well, well, there were pogroms, for some reason it happened there. i don’t know why you understand like this, we still have it. we do not abandon our own culture. and you see, we have a main project with

african roots. uh, there is the second most important with scottish roots further - it's generally there uh a son. eh, respectively, in general there is an origin. we always took it for granted. the concept of nationality is natural for us. it, well, that is, the one who tried to push it to the fore. he, accordingly, always did not receive support. we, too, understand the difference a little bit from russia. here we always say that the monuments of catherine did not begin to demolish with her more than the bolsheviks. in general, they say, it took 20 years to realize the continuity of history. that is, already in the thirties, but from this postulate about the dark past, on which we renounce, they have departed here it's already been 30, and the process is just beginning and the main problem is that russia is in what respect it did not differ from ukraine, i mean the ukrainian ussr, it was essentially the same hmm, a multi-ethnic formation, where there was no one people, and she took the most rotten, most unnatural story about the purity of blood, tried to create an artificial pure

ukrainian identity. and then initially i don’t really understand it, if it’s like we never have was neither in the russian empire nor in the soviet union , and where did they get it from? why did they pick up this rotten thing? she came there, she came from the territory of western ukraine, which is sitting for some fun, that you are not having fun, alexander nikolayevich well, firstly, yes, i want to say right away that the monuments of catherine ii are a monument. i feel sorry for suvorov. there it is a good work and good culture, despite the fact that i am not a minute, i don’t pepper them and perfectly understands the feeling that moves ukraine well, well, i have fun, that’s why it is something, firstly, e if we talk about the fact that the russian empire was not a national state, uh, then we must then forget about the almost two hundred years of russification, which was carried out one way or another. immediately the answer is why

there were pogroms in odessa and chisinau because there was a feature of russia because those against whom these programs are being implemented are concentrated there. how do you all delicately not mention the word field? why, but, then, now the first part of me was reproached for not saying something, now there is too much time, which means that with regard to ukraine and the fact that there is a typical post-imperial state, this path was passed after the first world war. well, let's just say almost half of the european states, including those that do not exist, when this sharp austrian empire was dismantled. and as a matter of fact, uh, all u states, and yugoslavia, formed after all the recent events. and the czech republic slovakia everything, that 's all they are. we went to the germanization of the

additional polonization of the devingelization of slovakia, we carried out this search for the very identity of the ukrainian alexandra nikolaevich is absolutely justified from your point of view. and what prevents you from erasing this very identity in the framework of the search for this very identity, that’s all, everything, everything that was before, but keeping the conditional catherine, because she will interfere with you, odessa catherine, break away from all this. well it's hmm well how do you say? i will explain to fit it into some kind of identity, so that some heroes that i do not know the habit. i know how to wait, wait, wait, i came up with, i figured out how it means they should do so since ukraine and europe yes, they should e promote that catherine ii is not some kind of russian empress german. and the european, and from this then they and they keep it and it

proves that here, but the trends have also begun to speak, do you approve of the explosion of the royal palace in königsberg? it already happened after the war. so when someone talks about restoring it, a whole wave of patriotic feelings rises, although what the royal butler did to russians. none of this you do barbarians is always a reaction to certain historical ones. let's maxim anatoly. something there disagreed with something. where did they get it from ? here, uh, this, maybe everyone came out of the soviet union and before that from the russian empire, but all the same, we are different, they are not us, ukraine is not deep russia. i agree with this danil than we agree. this is such stupid

provincialism. it has always been characteristic of the ukrainian political class. now, of course, i don’t really want, against the background of what is happening after the soviet era, maxim anatolyevich soviet obtuse provincialities, too. in general, we had with soviet leaders solid ukrainians for some time and they were all stupid provincials exit from ukraine look from ukraine they sometimes became more russian or soviet patriots than ethnic russians and this is the specificity of our state. it is our society, it is fundamentally different than the ukrainian one they go. here, uh, in this path of stupid ethnic nationalism. you ask why they don’t think of it, in order for catherine to be smart for this you need to be from stupid nationalists, you understand when i buy them and you finally olya

about the demolition of the monument to catherine i say guys. well, go to the end in odessa as you said, and as they say, and there and in moscow they are still used to saying water. all of them still have a monument to duke, they decided it. so let's take it down. he, too. although this symbol for years is also such a europeans, they have in honor. chopkins, who are not just an associate, but we ourselves know who was for the empress. let's destroy it there with bulldozers, destroy it with anything, then build a new one of your own. name shukhevych's stairs. you see, let's go. we are not on this path let's go to. i will make sure that we will have a hotel, ukraine and the kiev railway station. shevchenko embankment - this is shevchenko i tried to remember if we have monuments to shevchenko's container, if there is by no means necessary, a monument. we are not them, we are

a big imperial combination. that's all, therefore , i hope this does not threaten us. okay, let's try to put it this way. is it possible to build this very new identity without removing all the old ones that we have just listed bogdan hmm, you know theoretically, of course it would be possible to build, and moreover, a number of people who are attributed to ukrainian nationalism. they even tried to build limes there. you spoke about federative ukraine, even vyacheslav chernovov spoke about it, but in practice it turns out that they take the same model of this integral ukrainian nationalism of a unitary state, where everyone should, uh, ukrainian nationalism. get it right. why? this is how they fight with monuments. this is a kind of religion. this is a quasi-religious consciousness, only there instead of a deity. allah buddha christ stands there the idea of ​​the ukrainian nation is an idea defined by the ukrainian state. the ideal state the reich is so small. here and here in the framework. eh, this one. e of this ideology, all who live in ukraine

, or must agree with it with this quasi-ideology and be its adherents, profess its ethnic origin, no matter. it just does n't matter. won. there is this punch. uh, there's also jonglin and uc there and so on. they are all there ukrainians all have to agree that the black guy was an athlete. yes, the only olympic champions, therefore. yes, he explains what heroes are, uh, new ukrainian. let's. we will now see the plot bogdanovich also only confirms your words that this is a completely new hero. they are all ukrainian nationalists. can they be considered adherents of the sect? what did you name? the main ideologist of ukrainianism, historian mikhail grushevsky is now one of the main heroes of the country; his theory of the origin and development of ukrainian statehood suggests that he is the only heir to the tradition of the thousand-year history of kievan rus is ukraine, and moscow, like tradition,

has nothing to do with it, and such a concept ideally suited the political tasks of the modern ukrainian leadership. as a result, a portrait of grushevsky on ukrainian banknotes of 50 hryvnias is opened in his honor by a museum and named after a street in kiev, odessa, vinnytsia and other ukrainian cities. after the independence of the ukrainian republic was proclaimed, no one can hide in the thicket of neutrality, because now there is a struggle between the two states of ukraine and great russia. the fact that it is led by those who do not need it, another so-called hero, from whom in ukraine they are trying to mold a sinless person from sanitation, who revived the state ukraine symon petlyura head of the directory of the ukrainian people's republic in 1919-20, a political adventurer rushing between the entente germans, the bolsheviks and the poles , during which more than fifty thousand jews were killed in ukraine. petliura was the head of the ukrainian government and the ukrainian army for 2 years, and

more, pogroms continued almost all this time, the head of the government and the army did not suppress the perpetrators , did not punish them, and did not resign himself. so, he took responsibility, for every drop of shed jewish blood, the heroes recorded the scribe of the so-called get. all ukraine pavel skoropadsky, the former tsarist officer , betrayed russia in 1918, surrendered to the germans and, after the coup d'état, became the hetman of the ukrainian state at that time a puppet state that was dependent on germany and austria-hungary. it didn't last long. as a result, the hetman with ukraine fled during world war ii. lived in berlin ukraine is in mortal danger. i ask you to send troops immediately. in order to restore order in ukraine, such friendly germany is another beacon of ukrainian nationalism, but already during the

great patriotic war, collaborator stepan bandera in kiev is respected as an accomplice of the nazis because he hated soviet power and organized an armed underground. the ideology of the nationalist bandera formed the basis of modern nationalist movements in ukraine, and there was a chance to come up with this new state identity to take some other heroes. they are all over. here, as one here are such pleasant people, there was, of course, this chance even at one time was realized. and who were these heroes supposed to be then? well, here are the alternative sensors. i can’t remember now what year it is, but it means that there was a television program for ukraine. uh, in my opinion, the name motherland or the name ukraine was called, which means where it was offered to the audience. this, in my opinion, is a french format of ten different ones. uh figures, culture science historical figures choose uh, top three five. there by dropout. uh,

the most popular. uh, then an amazing story started a scandal over voting, because yaroslav the wise took the first place , and bandera was in second place or third, and he said it was scary because, so to speak , residents of western ukraine demanded to look at the results of telephone voting. so, allegedly, because bandera won, and at the last moment, it means they did some kind of manipulation, he won and relaxed, that is, in fact, ukrainian history. she is very rich. you can choose to any taste of uh, people who or heroes you can make, huh? again, due to the fact that this is a territory, e of different empires, it means with different historical, hmm, historical roots, historical origins. there you can find both kotovsky and makhno who, uh, fought against uh, the armies of the unr yes, it means you can find, well, bandera is younger, and melnik is the same, who was, then, or konovalians, who generally,

so to speak, served in the hungarian army in austria . that is, you can on any, what is called taste the only question is what do you consider yourself to be, that is, from a cosmetic point of view, in ukraine there was a clash of two discus of two ideas about the history of ukraine on the one hand. this is what, so to speak, ukraine has been fighting for its independence all the time with various heroes. and the second is that the ukrainians. in fact, they built the empire together with the russians, without paskevich. well, i can keep bending my fingers, the people who created this big russian empire, ethnic ukrainians never considered or called anyone little russians. yes means well, again, this is all a question, not of archival research, yes, but of identification itself. ours built the empire, people from central and south-eastern ukraine say and the westerners say, but not, and ours fought for independence, and ours fought

against the empire against the empire for the independence of the hungarian empire quite right. and here, uh. here, please, choose what is called, that's why they say that there are three ukrainians. why are there four opinions? what it is? yes, there, i don’t even remember saying many times, three ukrainians, two geters yes, yes, show me, let's show it, because it's not the one that yes, this is october, in my opinion this year of the fisherman of ukraine yes, it means who do you think is the most outstanding ukrainian of all time, the leader of the rating has become. oh, shevchenko's container but it's customary there 63% mr. zelensky is next, then lesya ukrainka bogdan khmelnitsky bandera turned out to be one, two three in fifth position here. well , grushevsky is also a little behind him, also surprisingly tough valery zaluzhny, but this is visible. uh, such a tribute to time was written there, well, more ivan mazefa is the funniest thing that shukhevych fought. and he never fought bandera. he was

basically an ideologue. and this is a media story. yes, that’s all, the mussel was also untwisted and didn’t fight. well, there were some other ukrainians in this pantheon. do you know how it turned out? yes, this is also a consequence of the soviet cult of shevchenko khmelnytsky , if ukrainian women yes, you can, please, well, everything that we are discussing, of course, rests first of all here is the question. fanning yes, we all use the word self-identification identification. and go identification is a comparative parameter. this is a comparison. yes, comparing yourself to something. and so, now i'm with her state. uh, it means that the consciousness of a modern ukrainian should be compared with something. and with what in this place there is nothing there is a complete emptiness for a year, if they try to go from the opposite, that is, no matter how we are russians here, but

just like a native point yes, then how further the story develops as follows about three years ago bogdan anatolyevich, for which he is very grateful, introduced me to a curious document called a declaration of a place, and, if i am not mistaken, in 1986, adopted and signed by us, this is also a very short document of one and a half dozen paragraphs, in which the condition is extremely clearly and in some cases ingeniously described. a person in relation to the place where he was born and raised, to history, culture, morality and to the relationship with the rest of the world. so, based on this simple document, we can also state very simple things. it is possible as much as necessary. uh now lead. definition of what textbook information is faculty of journalism from political science reference books, but the simplest and most accurate definition of information. it is the interpretation of facts

by purpose. and if we cannot assume that now a significant population of ukraine has been taken out of the brain and put in cryo. the chamber was filled with sawdust instead, then we took it out to state that this is an interpretation of history, and history matters. that's where there is, uh, false history that didn't exist, and that's subject to an infinity of interpretation. people are so confused. what is now impossible even we say and why we were met with flowers with sweets in ukraine. and why did he have odessa. and why is dan's mother new? no, no, no reason people don't understand who they are and while they have them wait for sawdust in their heads or still brains remain. here i will say the brains are in a state of sawdust, because now to perceive information through several generations, because virusification. and this is this on purpose, because now it started well,

how reversible this story is, because i, when andrei nikolaevich said that we, too, monuments, but they destroyed, i even had in mind, probably, not what happened in our country after the great october socialist a. there , for example, the ninety-first year, yes, when the nuncha felixes failed, they were very short there, as if the period were historical. well, the fact that our brains have become a little bit sawdust-like places for a certain period of time. this is a fact, no one will argue with this, they still went, and i also went, so directly joyful. then once and for all, that is, then it somehow unfolded. here i want understand, is this process there, is it reversible or not? or everything already, of course, pay attention. look what's happening here. i say so, right away i think, yes, here max and i disagree in positions that we, of course, are one people. for me there is no doubt about it. why because

the great october revolution is taking place, because he is from eastern ukraine, he is donetsk, therefore, he does not belong to the vespa people, in general, you understand from under st. petersburg, therefore, well, then what should we count? indeed this is a question. and? as look, and they remembered the bolsheviks in 17-18, they destroyed monuments not only to the tsars, but to their servants, like, yes, and with general skobelev, we destroyed the generals skobelev in kostroma destroyed the monument, and ivan susanin because he was the tsar's servant is we did. i'm just standing from kostroma, they said that they demolished the old one, right? yes, there ivan susanin there was a political illiterate memory. there ivan susanin stood at his feet. yes, the king has a king on top of him. this is how i watched hovangah , this oppression was more and so on, of course,

put, therefore life for the king. we have it all about us, the story is exactly the same that goes on with them, we destroyed churches, churches were destroyed, we killed the king of our king, we killed, despite the destroyed churches, and the icons in my family in my great-grandmother, as they stood, and stood. this i mean that the root will still be preserved, despite all the sham, despite the fact that in our universities, so to speak, they studied scientific communism, the history of the cpsu and other wonderful things. pseudosciences now ask those people who have studied, are they anything at all they remember from the history of the cpsu well, of course, they will remember some milestones, but the key ones there, uh, the first 10 uh party members, i don’t know , they won’t remember in the workers 'and peasants' party, it's all a husk, the root will be swept away. and it is important for us to preserve and

remind about this single root for us, it lives, of course, and ukrainians now. and what do you think? for now, we are, uh, talking about personality, right? but tell me then these, how to say, indigenous personalities, yes, which will be for us, uh, two personalities. yes, ivan kozhedub shot down 62 german planes, for example, more than all other soviet pilots, a symbol of the great victory in the noblest war that was fought in the history of mankind. marshal fishing they won't. i'm afraid they won't be their own oak. uh, unfortunately, ukrainian society has already crossed this fork. but if no one has actually been passed, they are among the heroes of fucking kozhedub and fishing. there would not be that horror, to which we now have our two paths - these are

absolutely objects. tell me with an oak, i'll tell you so that i always thought that i would say with an oak at all there was some. strange muddy stories, because , despite the fact that he really shot down the most fascist planes. he always remained in the shadows. pokryshkina that is, we have always been promoted tires about them already at home. to be honest, i'm like a russian, i'm for pokryshkin because he shot down 59 planes, but he beat them at the beginning of the war, when it was many times harder. why did you say now? what do you like, because, but because you are now with me so you are now i refute and say flashes a little more ukrainians, i will show you an indisputable personality, which i must name, so i traced to understand what is cider, caucasian. if he were completely

friends, there is another character, he is not ukrainian, but this is the person who created the ukrainian academy of sciences. this is academician vernadsky, who came specially, then during the civil war in kiev he created the academy of sciences, but refused ukrainian citizenship, which he was offered. uh, hetman skoropadsky said that i remain russian. after that, he turned around and left for moscow let's stop. now after a break. then now a little break a little break let's continue, yes. zelensky’s personal enemies i’m not afraid to think no, who will reconcile to throw the truth in his face in zelensky, you are scum that you didn’t

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sea there and so on. so, sanskrit is a language that came from the new one. wow, there's a lot of stuff there, but a huge number of people are historical, er, personalities. they really did exist. and now they are also trying there ukrainianize and so on. andrey nikolaevich, we'll give you the floor, show me, please. the kiev regime officially introduced the concept of ukraine rus proposed by the ideologist of ukrainian nationalism hrushevsky, according to which ukraine is the only heir to a thousand-year tradition, a kind of old testament kievan rus, the process of collecting russian lands from ivan iii to catherine ii is considered as a purely negative phenomenon indivisible and independent country that for at least 1,500 years and to knock out the capital of ukraine. she is the only legitimate heir of

kievan rus that russia’s nadba between the booths of our herbs of the achievements of our rulers askold the prophetic oleg prince igor is equal to the apostle princess olga vladimir the great yaroslav the wise vladimir the monoch of all ancient russian princes and books. the followers of the concept automatically turned into ukrainians, at every opportunity reminds that it was the kiev prince who was called great, in order to consolidate success at the everyday level, they printed portraits of vladimir the red sun of yaroslav the wise on hryvnias in 2017, the then president of ukraine poroshenko, telling that ukraine is part of europe, made a scandal and accused vladimir putin of trying to rewrite history by kidnapping anna yaroslava from kiev from ukrainians in vietnam with our reunification with europe because historically. we were part of the wall, the fight. now i am his old, by the way, from the time of the ancient

ukrainian prince yaroslav the wise and his daughter from kiev. anna yaroslavna who just yesterday putin tried in front of the eyes of the whole of europe to steal into the russian history of western experts, however, they see in the desperate attempts of the kiev regime to distance itself from the survey. from a common history with russia, first of all, the desire to refute putin's thesis that ukrainians and russians are one people of merit to the state of ukraine. to reward the wise, the russian frigate bearing his name patrols the baltic sea yaroslav is depicted on the banknotes of these countries for russian president vladimir putin kievskaya russia is proof that russia and ukraine are a single historical and spiritual space. and that ukraine has no reason to exist as a sovereign state? well, there is the last interpretation. okay, god bless her. basically, no one is left. who could unite us

about uniting me. i'm just quoting one person's statement. we are in deep pain and anxiety. we see how the attempts of extremist anti-soviet forces to split the unity with the knife of the national people of the state are intensifying. it’s time to artificially sow enmity between peoples. go on the offensive against counter-relational forces and procrastination is similar to death. ivan nikitochkov said this at the third congress at the deputation market. union in 1990, mr. sobchak was very mocked later and said that he was an old man who remained in the past. this i mean that he is nikitin's wife for the modern ukrainian people. you can’t be a hero, because ivan nikitochka zhedub was not considered as a separate ukrainian ethnicity. because there are as many thoughts as kovpak. and by the way, god forbid in any nightmare dream to separate kozhedub and tires on according to national apartments. now this is already completely madness is even in a nightmare and there is no need to say that this one is closer, because he is oh no calmly. so, once again, not a cop, not kozhedub, not all other heroes cannot be

heroes for today's ukraine, because they did not see themselves outside of one state, you understand well, can you name who the language of the pantheon can be a hero for us? no, i'll explain what the problem is, the problem is that we're talking people here. the people. well, let's remember that the collapse of the unions in the ninety-first year there was no people's will, most of ukraine did not ask the western conclusion at all, although they live in russia look at kravchuk's first speech, what he promised and how it should have been preserved after the fact . all ideology is built by people who are in power, and the ukrainian ideology that was built, it just came from the opposite to keep your farm, using money, to get anything. at the same time playing off two peoples, because these hours - it pays. okay? i understand, then let's alexander nikolaevich, this is his thesis about those states that, yes, yes, were falling apart, you told us that there are no some

european states already. yes, a whole list. ukraine will be able to go the same way on your way to be reforged. that is, will this dream come true, which was on the euromaidan, there is a talk about the vienna opera. here they want to be like that, how they would like to become, they can become like that . like the same one, so i won’t undertake to choose for them national heroes. but as for cava, at least in kiev before the epidemic, it was already decided, this issue of coffee was resolved, there was really good coffee there. well, i wanted to say the following, that they can or can't depend on one thing. this means that the consciousness of a modern person in the post-soviet space beats into triangles of the three components of the soviet imperial and national, and everyone here is talking about how you can choose or not choose. here everyone chooses for himself the most suitable path for him. if ukraine yes. here

you have to choose something. from here these three they turn out they are incompatible. maybe they are compatible at a certain position for a consistently russian person. and then it will not be very easy to overcome the difference between soviet and imperial. and this is already some schizophrenia. it is here. uh, this triangle is for the post-soviet space. he's unsolvable. and if they manage, indeed, and on a special military operation , everything was done to ensure that they consolidated as a nation, and regardless of the m factor of blood, if they make noise to take a consistently emotional position, then yes, i don’t see a reason why they should succeed, if they stay with the soviet or even someone stays with the imperial

people, cops, then, of course, nothing happened, interesting, alexander nikolayevich said, i even thought about it. in this triangle , i am only talking about myself. here , two of the three russian and imperial are absolutely perfectly combined. you don’t combine soviet categorically, in my case, it doesn’t combine with this. this is my feature. eh, no one has it imposed, as for the wonderful plot, when the green spoke. here is our princess, she is our princess olga because she was born, uh, in pskov on the banks of the velikaya river, it was there that she met the prince, igor, and in general, in fact , zelensky is this game that he carries. he drives himself into a dead end the line of pokryshkin to the skin , he continues in the middle of olga now consistently the sequence, because where did it come from, that their kiev is older or ours, pskov and novgorod and

this is still a big question. in fact, who is cooler that's why, when one person mocks moscow there, when our kiev is already, uh, standing, they built churches in moscow assholes or in moscow maybe , but russia is not only moscow, we had pskov and a lot of things sorry guys. let's do it because they are building a new identity that ukraine is building on such an antithesis. well, as i said, yes, the opposite. yes, we are not muscovites, we do everything, on the contrary. we rather went north. we went south. let's example okay? the most famous ukrainian chant from the times of ukromadan, just is based on the confrontation between a real patriot of ukraine and a muscovite. russians, like narrow-minded kvass patriots, have been ridiculed in ukraine since the time of maidan , so at one of the performances, a few years ago, ukrainians put three supposedly russians in a cage,

put st. ukrainian publications even found physiological differences among ukrainians and russians and in all seriousness told, for example, that russians simply have worse genes. the russians have an indicator haplogrun of chromosomes inherited from the orians and trypillians, in comparison with ukrainians, this indicates very little that ukrainians and russians are different ethnic groups and are not genetically related fraternal peoples. in addition, in ukraine they emphasize in every possible way that the russians with their braces have become completely fooled, another thing is the free and freedom-loving people of ukraine who are from lgbt and for tolerance. glory to ukraine

, friends, we did it. what about vocabulary? here , too, everything is built on opposition to russian ukrainians themselves describe themselves as high calm. all the most heroic and spiritual - this is about them. the heavenly hundred heroes of azov became the defenders of ukraine. and the russians are necessarily the orcs of mordor rusnya , the graved rashists or the evil, cruel and aggressive barbarians. the sunset of water in a jar of cosmolot with a russian pek, if this ukrainian identity is imagined as some kind of such a large wall of many many bricks, and for each russophobic brick

, there will be something left to pull out of this wall, because here everything that we see now, it turns out that if the husk of this anti-russianness is anti-maskalsk, and we are not like that, everything is discarded there meaningful. well, either it does not remain, or tell me what remains, like a stump in a huge one. uh, a head of cabbage is such a head of cabbage and such a stalk, no, well, uh, these are russian, that is, the content. eh, the fact is that here, it seems to me that somehow this is not there. well, from my point of view, it’s not about talking about something from dna and that’s it. the rest is ukrainian. this is for today. that's how i i understand it's not a question. you see, because well, if it’s about the question of blood, uh, zelensky called vladimir monomakh yes, our ukrainian prince, whose son is an absolute muscovite yuri dolgoruky from uh marriage, in my opinion, with some kind of u swedish princess. well, that is, well, the ukrainians can’t, that’s why they tell you about dna, because everything is

so confused, and here some person there with an english surname arrived and explained everything about ukrainian nationalism. she is today political. if you hate russians, yes, and muscovites, because that muscovites can definitely tell me russian muscovites in the southeast in the donbass, too, muscovites, because they do not want to speak ukrainian. although, they saw it perfectly, but i saw the picture, i don’t remember now. eh, ours, like kings in my opinion, it was someone from the prisoners, or something, there are vushniks. well, there some number of months ago. uh, well, this is going on, so the conversation and he explains that ukraine that's all, there and up to the theses that kiev is the mother of russian cities to him behind the scenes, which say, well, that means kiev is a russian year. he says why? well, you yourself say that kiev is the mother of russian cities. he says, well, yes. well , wait, here is the mother she gave birth to russian children. that's right yes means russian mother badges russian

city. he has so and so he turned it off. no, he can not explain, therefore, listen to all peoples, and it’s not necessary. i'm here now to explain, okay, and i was talking about that, so then all these dna and other things appear, as if the evidence base yeah and it explains all this to you, but look what's the problem. eh, the point is that the environment of ukrainian nationalists in ukraine is now active, but now, in 14-15, the jews of bandera are actively wormed their way. you see, this is, as it were, the most paradoxical story in general, when one of the most serious adherents of ukrainian in odessa was en masse recorded was the artist digs. yes , man, that the term bandera is a problem, what is it in modern russia is now taken by many absolutely seriously and railway bandera

is something here is some unambiguously negative character, but no one is aware of the fact that here's something to analyze. that is, what is it, he says, who is the jew of the gang, although some say that in israel there are also quite a few simple things, the first is that this is an ideological mess? it's not a question. uh, uh, genealogy. you understand yours, this is ukrainian nationalism. and the second is that it is built on political loyalty. yes. now, if i have a jewish mouth, then i believe that e is in this house. uh, there are no trade unions burned down. odessans who are against what happened on the maidan and some narrow newcomers hired or and so on, yes, so here i am then a ukrainian nationalist. you understand this is the most important thing, therefore, from this point of view, the phrase that odessa did not resist, but this is complete nonsense. it was also conjugated how simply 47 people burned it, at least

yes, and the odessa underground. i know these people who were arrested on the same day of the hut so massively. you see, this is simply an illustration of the fact that this is not a question of ukrainian blood of nationality instead of residence. this is a matter of ideological attitude. so you accepted this story, but about what is here, what is there female e, absolutely true to the historical doctrine , he formulated that in general, so to speak , real ukrainians live in western ukraine, because they speak ukrainian, because they need to be put. if the monuments of bandera are unimportant, it will be no, dnepropetrovsk means lviv or the place of his birth. i do not remember somehow the force, it is called. yes , it means that from this moment on you are a ukrainian national- not even nationalists. you are a political ukrainian. just when it works, the theory of the sect and bo yes, i would everything yes everything that is simple, as absurd, brought to the point of absurdity. no, i think it's really a political sect. sects are not always. eh, they are religious quasi-re or sell commercial sects, too, where gurus

go there, there are all these mountains, a coach and so on. the fact that this is a sect is based on two things. well, i agree, indeed. now ukrainian is a political orientation, a political identity. she is not ethnic already push something. he is angelina, anyone, if you share this political line, you are ukraine, and the second is myth mythology. what are 1,500 years 1,500 years ago? this is for kiev, it was generally invented by fishermen in order to make our history ancient, not to mention what yusin said, what is there, here, this is anna yaroslavna she wrote, anna is russian there, if these people were told that they were ukrainians , they would be great, surprised. there what ukraine konstantin the bogorodnorodny wrote. eh, right there, in these russian principalities, he wrote russia russia, he used the word and so on. it's a mythology that connects with political ideology invested in the head through the media . you are an education and a person turns out. here's how this one, which is a corporate process or not, if it will hold, if you can about it, it is both reversible and irreversible, if there is a means to correct the consciousness of the influence on the

consciousness of these people, it can be reversible, especially if this new generation will to be subjected to it. and if you leave everything as it is, no, it will be irreversible. it will grow a new nation that will really believe that we 1.500 years. no, we dug up the black sea, and muscovites. the damned must be killed. they are genetically different from us, as they genetic analysis carried out three fingers. for me. it's a mystery no matter how in these e, the dinosaurs resurrect the hema of the 19th century. let's stop after the ad. this is exactly the question i want. yes. what will this ukraine be like in 20 years? grandmother deliberately deprives her daughter of parental rights to five grandchildren, because there for educational purposes, bites them and chokes the meat by the throat and choked her nightmare the daughter herself accuses the mother of

stealing her daughters and son from her and kicking her out of the house. i became who i am because of you. she lives with us across the street. and i never even tried to come and not ask. how are the children now with many children, the mother huddles with two children of the seater on six m². i'm ashamed to be able to give my family what i really have to give or your son. you motherfucker, you don't need to wash your feet, so who will get the children with me in my children will take the orphanage today 16:405 on ntv superstar, new season 22 start your business planetary mixers, microwave ovens and other goods for your home with discounts up to 50%. one match black friday

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continuing the process is reversible or irreversible, so what will ukraine be like in your opinion, well, in 20 years, after a generation, alexey is largely will depend on us. do we need ukraine ah from my point of view. we need to treat ukrainians with understanding, and therefore it is important to remember for ukraine that gnatyuk e, kobzon ocean elzy gogol e. shevchenko malevich could take place only within the framework of russia in europe; in europe, no one needed modern ukrainian statehood. it took shape on may 9, 2014 , when it was discussed with enthusiasm and suffocation that russian people were burned in domics, so the conclusion from this is very simple. in a generation, in 20 years, there will be a part of e ukraine

that will return, e, to itself. knowledge of russians will be part of a state built on the principle modern kosovo nationalist everything is me and very tough alexander nikolaevich in 20 years ukraine will still be russophobic, but in 50 years, when everything will subside a little pain for them. and here, well, you need to go two countries to bulgaria to croatia, here is something in between these two countries and will represent ukraine there was not so andrey nikolaevich the state, representing itself as antimatter, existing on the denial of itself, the denial of cities created by the empress attempts to be proud of e kb antonova denying due to misses decommunization. it is impossible today, ukraine earns exclusively on blood and hatred of russia well, russia does not have suicidal tendencies, which means it is very likely that in 20 years the frogs will croak on the site of the city of kiev and maksim anatolyevich

well, firstly, it will remain no matter what the boundaries , and now i’ll say a paradoxical thing in 20 years. ukrainian society will be more totalitarian in years than the society of that russia that will be in 20 years, because in 20 years we will be able to draw, and lessons from the mistakes made. they consider themselves moral winners and will not learn these lessons. i don’t want andrei nikolayevich’s prophecy to come true. excuse me so that frogs croak in the place of kiev. i want to come to the city of kiev in 20 years, from which they were deported in 2014. yes, like this, like this, since the question was about the future , very briefly about our future plans with you, dear friends this saturday. i am waiting for you in dzerzhinsk, nizhny novgorod region, next time in ryazan 25 moscow is in my social networks. everything is possible find the second and third of december, rostov-on-don. and krasnodar will be a joke. just not about the future , about history. still, they talked about her today, two students are taking an exam. well, such bad students.

and one so attracts the attention of another there, throwing papers there, he says, listen, he says, in what year serfdom was abolished, tell me. in the sixty-first is when gagarin flew into space, or what? well, yes, in honor of this, they canceled it. it was a meeting place that could not be changed. and we meet at 14:00 on weekdays on the air ntv goodbye everyone, goodbye. hello news on ntv in yegor konovalov studio who will lead the russian delegation?