relationship blogger filed a criminal case under article hooliganism and sent under house arrest denis zadoikin marina starkova olesya naumenko and vladimir talayzin ntv television this is official. today we thank you for your attention all the best and see you soon. stabilization measures for a quick win why western reports from kherson turned into a loud scandal for zelensky people took flags on the street and support the soldiers and what the american general staff is now inclining ukraine to take into account the interests of the united states and europe hello this place

meeting on ntv a place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin. my colleague is ivan trushkin. we are working live right away, we will start with reports that this morning in the first half of the day made a lot of noise in various western media, including such reputable ones as, for example, reuters and reported that sergey lavrov was hospitalized. as you know, our foreign minister is already in indonesia, where the g20 summit is taking place, and all the time i don’t know how to emphasize the right article. jacob said bali well, in general, in bali, sergey viktorovich was allegedly admitted to the hospital because of some kind of heart problems, when this noise arose. and in the press, after a while, sergey lavrov himself denied these reports, and then maria zakharova posted it. uh, photos and videos. she said it was top, uh, aerobatics.

she had a phrase like that. here, and sergei lavrov himself wished in our western colleagues to write more often. and to tell the truth is a good wish, but uh, you know, i owe it to our western colleagues. to intercede a little, because sometimes lately, when they write the truth or they tell the truth, they fly for it . kiev really didn’t like the hat, but how western journalists are now covering the events in kherson after we left it there. uh, western journalists, including representatives of american television companies, well, along with the ukrainian side. that's what they are, we will return to this , what they showed in kiev was so disliked. what, for example, cnn and someone else there, yes, they are no longer americans. these are the british. in general, they are deprived of accreditation. there it is formal that they worked, uh, in kherson, well, without the consent of the ukrainian side. although it is obvious that this is just a

punishment for the fact that they are filming about this a little bit later, and now we let's have our whole program today one way or another will revolve around. e kherson let's first talk about those forecasts of military forecasts, how events will develop further. according to the russian ministry of defense, the transition of russian forces to the left bank dnipro kherson region ended on friday at around 5:00 am. just from the right side. more than 30,000 servicemen and almost 5,000 pieces of weapons and military equipment left without losses. now , according to eyewitnesses, russian forces are strengthening their positions and actively building defensive lines on the left bank. from the fifteen-kilometer zone on both sides of the dnieper , the population was recommended to evacuate, so as not to fall under shelling, the left bank was already under fire from the apu the most affected, khokhovsky over 60 strikes were made on it, there are casualties

and significant damage was received by the kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station; it can be mothballed the territory of the district, which is subject to it. actions in the territory of influence, where now every day the presence of the military is becoming more and more attention and strengthening. it is reported that the civil administration of the kherson region temporarily moved to the city of genichesk, closer to the crimea , this information was not officially confirmed, but experts assure that the decision is logical, since the city is located at the maximum distance from the zone of operations in the ukrainian artillery, the paths of the offensive of the ukrainian troops to the left bank were also cut off, key bridges across the dnieper, including the famous antonov bridge, the only

option for the forces to try to force the river was destroyed, but given its width of almost a kilometer, this is tantamount to suicide from now on the russian military can gain a foothold on the eastern bank of the dnieper, and the river itself , about a kilometer wide, being a natural barrier, will serve as reliable protection for them for all the promotion already. at the front, it will probably end in kherson, it will hardly be possible for the ukrainian army to attack the enemy across the river. the new york times believes that active hostilities under the new conditions can be frozen for six months, while russia will continue to disable the infrastructure of ukraine and the kiev regime will rely on sabotage on sunday, the ukrainians replicated a fake about the kingburg spit allegedly recaptured from russia in the nikolaev region. this is the southern flank of our defense on the left bank of the dnieper in fact, ukraine made an unsuccessful

landing attempt and lost our servicemen killed before 20 of the war. silence is not just not filling information and relevant media or telegram channels. our silence is the life of ukrainian soldiers. kyiv authorities. others argue that russia took advantage of the withdrawal to transfer forces and develop an offensive in the zaporozhye direction, and zelensky called the successful offensive of the russian army in the donbass hell for ukrainian soldiers, just hell there daily extremely fierce battles, but our units are defending the temples withstand the terrible pressure of the occupiers maintain our defense lines. this is very important. well, actually, the questions are whether the hostilities are moving to the stage, that's really such a positional struggle. before i give the floor to our guests. let's still want it. here is another

interesting magazine national interest published material. there are four options, four scenarios. ah, further events. so the first one is very short. the first catastrophic scenario, the so -called ukraine completely ousts russia , including from the territory of crimea, moscow uses nuclear weapons in response. the second scenario. russia is conquering more and more ukrainian territories. here they are based on how russia actually fought all her big wars, including the great patriotic war from the forty- first when, as they say here, the impending military collapse until the triumph of the forty-fifth. here is the third scenario - this is the actual freeze conflict, and because of this freeze, the parties come to the conclusion that everything needs to be resolved. optically , here is the fourth scenario - this is a kind of coup d'état in moscow well, apparently, then we will abandon everything that they are, and in kiev it

was not considered in 2013-14. i think that there are no fools in national interest, they know about it, who is who. maybe bogdan is carrying out a coup in kiev now, i am now, uh, more interested in the development of events, but now i looked, uh, before your interview. e, u i got the impression that you are probably the most confident er of all guests. yes, you are talking about the fact that there will be no positional warfare . here is the report of the suroviki on shoigu that was the week when he said that we were for offensive actions, well, you can be a little more detailed, firstly, uh, because everything -your opinion, it is probably almost exceptional. i don’t know how the generally contraindicated positional confrontation in this conflict will be voiced to us now for one simple reason, if we move on to positional battles, we we do not solve the tasks and the special military operation set by the supreme commander-in-chief.

this contradicts all, uh, let's designate the goals that were set, in addition, when we move on to positional battles, as the kharkov story showed. we give the enemy the opportunity to accumulate time and opportunities to covertly prepare reserves to inflict counterattacks. and cause a lot of trouble. i totally agree. but we are not just here, we want them to go to us in positional battles. here we have decided to want. we are probably in partly forced. first, here. eh, if we look not not yesterday, but tomorrow yes, then the arrival of our mobilized soldiers. uh, maybe they can allow uh, mothball the line of contact of today with concrete and sit there until the carrots on the paddock, because it’s real to the people. there will be a lot of manpower. we will have enough for this, but we do not need it, because the territory of the russian federation is occupied in our country. so now i come to the second part of the marleson ballet, because this is for this part of the speech was not perceived by surovikhin, in general, very little attention was paid, because

everyone was stuck on the first part and listened to that 30,000. by the way, i spoke in 20, but in fact more than 30 thousand and it's not about minches. i am the national guard, and in combat formations. this is the airborne forces marines cossacks more than 30,000 of the most combat-ready fired upon, who went through fire into the water, are now on the territory, maybe kherson and possibly zaporozhye, and maybe even the donetsk people's republic, this corps is actually deed, with that we have no shortage of ammunition not in technology. we are already waiting for the transition, on the contrary, to more active actions. where on what sector of the front, well, uh, the most obvious seems to be, of course, the zaporizhzhya direction to the north, along the left bank of the dnieper, going to zaporozhye where they are waiting for us and to dnepropetrovsk this is the most obvious, but they are also going to attack in

the same direction, then there is actually a counter movement of this question from e. i say, with our military generals. they say maybe there it is even more profitable for them to start first, because we will overturn them and it will be easier. or maybe this is the right time i want to ask alexei genchik, because there is still alexander nikolayevich somehow giggling nikolayevich to get ready. he, i know approximately what he will say, but alexei gennadievich, in an interview, said that in general, such a slightly strange situation of a released force. yes, that is, he has a seal that both sides know what is here in the area. there will definitely be nothing kherson, therefore, all options curious. they take you somewhere else. it 's true. it’s curious here we are, when last time last week we discussed history, yes, and when our troops were withdrawn, uh, to the shore, i then said that there were actually no shelling and hence it seems that you just

showed in the plot that in in general, and our redeployment took place without casualties. yes, from my point of view, they were from what i read on air defense. they are somehow cupped enough, from my point of view, this symbolizes. they are these agreements. it tells them agreements. actually. yes, so that ours, without fat , without loss, could relocate and then these liberated forces. after all, he says, not only ours, but also kiev is talking about some of the liberated, than then wait alekseevich to agree that there would be no victims at the stage of our regrouping, so that later, then, then you already agree to start a new force. well , in general, somehow i would like everything so much, for example, to agree on everything, it is obvious that it is impossible to agree on everything. and in general. i am it’s extremely difficult to predict the situation now, but it’s extremely difficult too many behind-the-scenes secret movements are taking place, or there are negotiations in ankara , information appeared today that supposedly ours are talking with the americans there, or whether they are not there, so to speak, yes, that’s one thing. here, if yes. listen. but it

means that they are. yes? well, maybe you can just see, even andrey vladimirovich says that they are going , uh, i mean, there are a huge number of unknown uh, key criteria for the situation there. all this is behind the scenes, so it can to happen everything that is possible after all, first of all, about tampposition. now now, how likely is this positional war in general to say. i pay attention to some nuances, it means that konashenko , lieutenant general kanashenkov, said something that the enemy was established by artillery fire at a distance of 30-40 km, the gun, with the exception of the hummers, having a firing range of more than 30-40 km and no. no. 35 shells, of which 33 were shot down , two said they allegedly flew, well, 33 were definitely

shot down, this is all the potential on our part stop the enemy to stop fighting . this. well, probably, to use up several thousand shells, that is, again, the ratio is 1 to 100 in terms of the number of ammunition fired. the evacuation of 30,000 people and 5,000 units of military equipment took place within two days, the phenomenal speed of the highest organization, it did not begin earlier. i didn't interrupt, the second thing i want to say is 30,000 people. well, over 30,000 people and 5,000 units of combat armored vehicles, that is, six people per unit of equipment. completely 100% motorized by states of dual time capable of fighting. according to nato standards, everything is wonderful and wonderful. but i

would like to understand, these are the forces that have been wonderfully regrouped in this way. wait a second here. it was logically said, it's hard to argue with that. if we don't advance, we don't move forward. this means that we are not fulfilling our goals. so, i can only say one thing on this subject, if i speak my own from a strategic point of view, then the russian armed forces can now start deep operation. e with a deep breakthrough in the encirclement of the grouping of the armed forces, e, along the line. zaporozhye eastern dnepropetrovsk so as not to take. here, surround this grouping, cut off and destroy it. what could we have done back in march, and here are some of the vushniks, which then we will succeed. in the rear there will be those who, yes, no, they are still sitting there, those who have now been released. different numbers are called there , one such captain is the first of two villagers, but he knows such data. i don't know what the number is called that there were 80.000. yes, that’s supposedly 40,000, which

means that another direction has been transferred, where they can be transferred, but, probably, it is necessary under the same zaporozhye or try to operate from kharkov in the southern direction. in addition, now here is a prisoner, uh, the officer was talking about the possibility of an invasion of the belgorod and kursk regions from the side of the all-union council about this, too, that the conversation is in the know, and in the know, so there are all options about this , which seems most realistic realistic now what can i say one. yes, we can do it now. this is a deep breakthrough. the superiority of the russian armed forces in combat, equipment and ammunition in terms of aviation remains absolute, but everything will now be decided to predict anything. i do not undertake again i do not undertake, for one simple reason, that the choice of the direction of action has nothing to do with it. and in general, the character is action to military strategy. now has no clarification. everything will be just questions. you say that we

have the advantages of artillery, we have similarities technical advantage. yes, but in human strength in human strength. maybe it's just then that i explain a little to give in, but now the question is being decided once again motorized war, so the central question is this dialect, the superiority of combat, equipment, artillery and aviation. we have it absolutely superior. we could all do all these tasks, let's finish what then let's plot. uh-huh but , frankly, i would like to say that it’s probably not worth talking about some kind of illusions offensive offensive. now it is impossible for everyone to understand this very well. actually offensive through and through. now it's impossible. this time you can ask, secondly, uh, so, with regard to the ukrainian position, the ukrainian position was formulated at the end of last week that ukraine is moving to a pension war and is moving to the so-called targeted security offensive of the

national security of ukraine, which means, uh the bottom line is that for ukraine a positional war is much more profitable now than for us much more profitable, and moreover, the delivery of everything and the gp , the readiness for the winter for the winter period of each is higher than our army. unfortunately. so that's a plus. uh, the presence of, so to speak, a new plasma on the right bank, it allows with the help of hummers. well, in fact, to get to just the junction to the crimea, that means that from the nearest goals there is only one goal that they want to realize. this is the zaporozhye npp, all this remains. in what sense does keeping it under the control of the ukrainian forces, so now, from my point of view, but negotiations. uh, now alexander yuryevich asked you questions about the negotiations. now i have a separate

opposition to you foolish habit. for god's sake well , let me formulate the question, then you will answer, so you said that our offensive is impossible. so, kazakov is asking you, why do i ask? why, if you have now described all this in detail, what are the advantages of the ukrainians? we probably understand this. so why can't we attack now to deprive ukrainians of these advantages. well, first of all, because, uh , they have enough potential now resistance times. second, because this week, that is only in personal manpower. here comes this week. new technique. new mc measurements, and so on, 20 pieces goes no, excuse me, what is that, what is 20 pieces. uh, three thousand for those 20 for sure. well, our 2,000 don't work. as you know, great. where did we get 350 today? this article is the answer to the question on agreements.

tonight we worked on groupings of ukrainian troops on the right bank of kherson, including 350 souls, uh, two hundredths, what are we we shoot from a slingshot, there is no probability. no. well, anyway, i once again all konstantin you can confirm the operation of the tanks. no, they have any kind of technique, an operation - this means losses. that is, there will always be three times more than the loss, it is wrong. do not forget in 2 weeks we will be plus 200.000. why did andrey vladimirovich begin all this with the words quietly that ukraine is now moving to some kind of positional state and referred to the secretary of the national security council of defense, but, nevertheless less secretary of the national defense security council. lord danil, he is not at all and says. he says that they are not going to freeze anything. no negotiations. they don't

want to lead. and if they want to, then only when russia is executed, and then you also said, it means that we will now show the plot andrey, well, i just once again want the same tactics in ukraine as we have. you say one thing, but in fact you are preparing for another. this is originally ukrainian tactics. let's take a look at it then. the tone of the ukrainian authorities as usual, they chose a peculiar way, the head of the nbu , aleksey danilov, said that kiev is not a cold store, in order to freeze something there, on the contrary , the kiev authorities promised to return all the lost lands, including the donbass, in the foreseeable future, where, as the president assures the public, the terrorist zelensky vsu. very much waiting. it will be so eugenic and in melitopol we will come to all our cities and the village of donbass. we will definitely see how ukrainian forces will be met in crimea with ukrainian flags that are stored there and hundreds will be on streets on liberation day.

american military hawks are also acting to match ukraine, the former commander of the us ground forces in europe , ben hodges, said that it is not the seventeenth century in the yard and ukraine, thanks to the american highmars, will continue the counteroffensive in the south, next january they aimed to take several russian cities. highmars will soon fire from kherson the approaches to the crimea are within reach this will weaken the russian defenses while the left wing will take mariupol and melitopol until january, then it will begin the decisive phase of the campaign is the liberation of the crimea however, the western press stubbornly continues to write about something else, they say. instead of escalation. much in winter. more likely , the talks on the cessation of hostilities are inciting kiev to this in the american headquarters, arguing behind closed doors that ukraine has reached the limits of a possible counteroffensive. he does not undertake to

predict the future, but there is an opportunity for a diplomatic solution. ukraine is fighting for existence, but it is necessary to take into account the interests of the united states of europe in maintaining the so-called order, based on rules, designed to prevent a clash of great powers. if the rules are destroyed, instability could engulf the whole world in our interests, so that these rules continue to work, according to the wall street journal, the white house recommended that zelensky reduce his appetites, not insist on the return of crimea and put forward realistic demands. at the same time, as ukrainian telegram channels write in response, ukraine talks about more and more wishlist, the office of the president handed over its drafts to the us embassy in ukraine for formula. salva at the bank demands to transfer full control over the nuclear power plant to ukraine and to exchange prisoners according to the formula of all only in this

format. we are ready to sit down for 100 negotiations. victor got me this thing. in fact, the latter is the most interesting. here is this certain plan of sallivan, to which ukraine responds with some of its specific wishlist. it's all information noise, information fog. well, that is, just a story played out, to something for now. we've been talking about him for two weeks now. probably it really is something and really, kiev can stomp on these american proposals , - he says, but we want to eat there like that, that means, from the point of view of the interests of the united states and great britain. the longer the conflict in ukraine with the participation of russia lasts, the better for the west, so the western countries first , the united states great britain will make every effort to prolong this conflict. this does not mean that at some point they will not be ready. uh in the interest like this change is combined with the rules, about which the general is miles. now i said, you understand, it seems, as

if it is absolutely combined. if you want to continue. it’s longer and longer then there is a risk that sooner or later these rules will really be violated, no, that, as i understand it, they don’t really want to, and the rules that, uh, rather arrogantly talk about, uh, at the american headquarters american-centric unipolar world orders that they are trying to preserve, including, uh, providing the wss and ukrainian units with all that they need for a successful confrontation with russia, it turns out, on the contrary. the longer they do this, the longer these rules will work and so on, but i want the russian interests of russia to have to go between exile and haribrit with one force - this is capitulation, which is absolutely unacceptable for russia and will inflict in the event of such a decision irreparable potential damage, domestically and in general. eh, russia as

a charito state is the constant and permanent involvement of russia in the ukrainian conflict. on such a level that all the energy of the russian state will constantly go to the ukrainian direction for years. these are the two most dangerous. these are the two dangers that the russian state faces today, russia really needs now in our present time a very talented, non-standard, very creative diplomacy and creative use, including military forces, where it is necessary in order to get between scylla and charybdis with a whole surrender and charib understandable immediately or forced to surrender, through for a while, very very. let's talk about offensive. you know in 8.5 months. let's be realistic. of course, we all would like the russian army to show more success, so that we have more success in general, but let's be realistic in 8.5 months. russia

was able to take one regional center without a fight, and then she had to leave it with such water us some kind of big offensive the idea that we would take kiev the idea that the tasks that the president set on february 24 would be solved, and everything unlikely. let's proceed from the cosmic ones . therefore, yes, i agree with you, but when speaking about the otk, we did not conduct this in a general offensive. at least not with the forces that were needed. i wish it could be now then really. we would decide this first one, i hear andrei vladimirovich. can i finish my thought, then i will listen to yours with pleasure, maybe we would solve this primary task of destroying the group that is located directly next to the donetsk region, and then we will think about it there, because, well, what we did at the beginning in february. it is obvious to marta that the forces for such a goal were not enough. and here it is. this pimple was sitting there in the rear. so he

is still there and rotting. yes, there was enough strength. well , konstantinovich means there was no e team, there was no political decision. you are saying that you wanted to add something that is currently being negotiated. uh, in between there are no talks between the us and ukraine in kiev. and now they are negotiating yes they are negotiating. we ourselves ivana is the so-called phased phased uh phased regime of phased arrangements, but now there's a whole thing that's been proposed and that 's starting to move forward. this. uh, the christmas new year's truce from december 20 to january 15, 2019, the thing that will be promoted now, which will be uh, including the twenty talk about it will be generally very with someone. yes , twenty who will discuss this, so do not talk about it more than necessary. here to spend. here is hello. yes, this is it. this is the first step

who considers it as a movement towards such a soft way out of the conflict. that is, you do not agree that it is more profitable for the americans to support this conflict. they so deal in the fact that it is not ruled out. all, wait you, in my opinion. already set a limit today. hey, bogdan anatolyevich, please. well, we started with a discussion of whether it is possible that there will be a positional war, a positional war in my opinion, this is the first world war, when there is a line of trenches and there is 300-400 m 7 years donbass uh from my point of view. there are two scenarios here. the first is , indeed, a positional war, when, if not the front, it is practically immovable, through which people are exchanging fire, the troops are exchanging haimar somer with artillery, i don’t know these heroes, there and so on, and the second option is partially, positional war. here, where it is. uh, fighting division. e parts along the dnieper, but, most likely, it will remain, and where it is not,

as far as i understand, anything can be. this line can be very shaky. here today in the sun they occupied part of the gray zone, the village of matveevka, this line of the holy criminal, they attack there continuously. it's just the limansky direction constantly having a message that they will attack the melitopol zaporozhye region. that is, where there is none. dnieper there, perhaps, just a positional war and will not be and here, indeed. i agree you can combine negotiations and fighting and deliveries of anything. it's as much as a hydra, it has many heads. at the same time, if the positions of our position are weak, then in this case negotiations with us will also will lead as with the weak side. but what about the regional center. andrei vladimirovich regional center. we took yes without a failure, the only one, but we also left him without a fight. it was most likely a political decision, which, with some other international global decisions, is absolute. therefore, in this situation, we can say that we just abandoned it. well, in the sense of a political decision. well

, there was no political decision to explain why i will explain very briefly. let's still listen to people that i did not finish. i returned the word to you good short intro. i'm sorry. let's listen to those people who represent our military-political leadership. after the withdrawal of our troops from the kherson e, on the right bank of the kherson region, they began to leave earlier konstantin not, well, not 2 days before, certainly three before the ninth, and not three for three, as far as i understand, this was prepared earlier. we blew up andreevsky. i say that before i was up to the class with my parents, our troops had already begun to retreat. naturally. after that, uh were uh, journalists asked peskov questions. i assure you that on this day i understand what i will ask peskov memorized each answer and he said the following verbatim, so that the last

time the minister of defense was at the report of the supreme commander-in-chief on october 29 on the eve of leaving kherson , shoigu putin was not told to you lord experts that you understood that this was not a decision, a political decision, a military report, surovikino and the decision of the minister of defense, and everything was explained on the shelves. why military it was necessary not to lose 30,000 on the island, we brought them out. everything let's stop now bogdan comrade will return the word now the advertisement should be given already and the duration. in a savings market, goods are cheaper than in a store, delivery is free, order profitably, as the uk tried to take crimea from russia, the capture of crimea was a big step towards unhindered access to the caucasian ridge. why did london classify the case of grigory rasputin? experts found that they

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no resemblance to themselves, western democracy, or something there that they tried, as it were, to nurture there from the fourteenth year, they talk and honestly recognize this as a totalitarian state. they are not particularly bothered. let's the other day the british edition of the iconamist wondered. does ukraine have the chance to become such on a democratic footing and become successful after the end of hostilities, and the chance itself answered this question is small, but for this you need to move zelensky and his team away from governing the country and from the financial flow. if grants and loans are plundered by the oligarchs, the country will fail, which means ukraine and its partners need to use the national goal of the created war to make anti-corruption groups influential to control how money is spent even in ukraine special illusions about zelensky and his associates. they also do not feed, as the ukrainian edition comings.ua writes after the end of hostilities, the kiev authorities will become even more authoritarian in order to push any

competitors, including influential military and philanthropists. the modern public team is not a crisis manager, not managers of large development projects, while everything looks like the current government and most of the large ukrainian financial and industrial groups. they think that the world and ukraine will be the same as before. it suddenly turned out that the western elite, in basically don't care. will there be democracy in ukraine, as the french russophobe bernard henri levy said in an interview with a journalist and agent mikhail igor. the main thing is that kiev has an effective army, which means that ukraine is already exactly what it needs. west ukraine ukraine has only now become a normal country with a normal army. let me remind you that ukraine was disarmed by the budapest memorandum. what happened in 2014 under president poroshenko ukraine returned

to the normal function of the state to arm itself ukraine will join europe and the nation. to play an important role in them because of our armed forces , which as a result of this conflict will become one of the best in the western world . here we are in whatever form, preserving the state, ukraine will still be some kind of totalitarian state. i understand correctly, because from what is pronounced here everyone honestly admits it looks in the mirror says, yes, these are totalitarian states, as long as it has an army. it suits us that it does not look like this in quotes to us democratic and beautiful. well, listen again. this is nothing new. you can see. what kind of regime existed for over thirty years in south korea after the korean war. you can look at pinach at all, but you can look. i don't even know if the state of haiti is significant, they don't wait. i can't agree with this, so i remember even when i was in school. we were told all the time,

south korean dictators. there are all sorts of things in there in the spirit. they are quite themselves and to the south and now quite democratic governance occurred when the actual military dictatorship in south korea ceased to be necessary with the change in the general world conditions in due time. they think that with ukraine there will be the same garbage with ukraine here is a completely different situation. why because all of the above, how would they exist in a completely different political world systems. here we mean that they created this monster on the nazi very, which in no other form, cannot exist, it suits them, because it is directed in a certain direction, the problem is not their perception at all, but in ours. perception, you understand, we again return to the fact, we are sitting here and reflecting on the topic, what will suit us, what will not suit us, you understand, if we initially proceeded from the fact that the start of a special military operation was caused by the fact that without denazification

geometrization of ukraine we cannot exist normally. we must come from these principles and any others. throw away, you understand, if we throw it away, then it’s not a question how much we mobilize a loved one, it’s not a question. what we will have to go through this mobilization is. if we say that this hurts us and we are ready to put up with this crimea in some form, then this is all absolutely nonsense. and we are indeed doomed to defeat, which may be behind us in one form or another. that's it, that's the problem. you know, well cannot exist. here is such a schizophrenia in my head, when even in this studio we sit and reflect, it is not necessary. can we call 300.000. and can we call for more if we have a conversation at the leadership level that no. no, no, no, in no case do not think about it, we will not test nuclear weapons in any situation, which means that in any situation when we lose our territories, we will assume that we can not strike at ukrainian troops. and why isn't it included in our doctrine? why are we so do we convince? west that we will not use all means for our own protection, guys, you'll figure it out. i have one more information. i give you

one more. i'll say it's not normal, when in our information space, even here, here's a dressing room, sitting in front of us, mr. sytin before the last transfer. it can be joyful to rejoice that we have surrendered kherson and to admire this should not happen during the struggle against nazism. i'm not saying that he needs to sit somewhere, but this is nonsense. you don’t allow yourself this in ukraine, whoever ukraine is, we understand, he is andrey nikola moreover, wait moreover, alexander nikolayevich, he is aware that in europe he could hardly say or write what he says and writes, he is an adversary who declares that he intends to destroy you to the very the last generation, including children, allowing here reflection within themselves, what is at the level of society at the level of journalism at the level of government. yes terrible with all the negotiations. doom yourself to those around you then. come on, here we are first, before we deal with

son, we will call a spade a spade, we will repeat after the supreme. we are in command of the president of the country, that we have a civil war going on, in part, - putin said. so we are moving away from all sorts of euphemisms. there, special operations are not on purpose , we introduce censorship, and then we can say quite calmly. sorry, alexander nikolayevich, we cannot invite you to the program, because we have certain restrictions, whatever. well , yes, and now i have to say, and now alexander nikolaevich come on, tell me what you think about this about the problem is that it must be accepted at the top. and for some reason we continue to try to sit in order to fight against nazism. god forbid that no one was comfortable. understand when you use an argument. here in ukraine it would be tra-ta-ta. we have been explaining to each other and to our people and viewers for so many years that these are the methods that they would not tell you, let's make a threat, wait a minute, if we are talking about

what they told us like a colleague told us that do we have a threat? state losses. then at this point, keep reflecting and say that we have measures that we can take, and we can't do that is not normal, do you agree absolutely right? so alexander nikolayevich, in general, is known to all of us and our viewers as a person who, uh, well, in general, is far from all these liberal ones. here are reflections , and in the twentieth year it was very clearly visible when you commented on events in belarus but it seems to you how correct such a decision is for us here now, how to stop these all these throwing some really switch to some kind of tougher one, and the manner of behavior, taking into account the fact that then yes, you will be deprived of the word, you understand, well, firstly, i want to note that at first the operation i am public, what is public on the air did not say anything that fell under the

relevant restriction. i am absolutely sure. what, well, at least down to a special decision or no sex savings, what about in my private space? that's about the dressing room i consider an honest space. uh. here i can say whatever anything and the third moment pleases me with completely different things. i do not rejoice, but also mourn the abandonment or capture of kherson, the closest thing to me is the position of an observer at a football match. as they said, yes, now, in fact, it means that i am surprised , uh, by what i see in the analysis of our respected rivers from the other side, but a complete inconsistency with what is happening in reality. no, in fact,

they themselves are constantly in a state of some kind of cognitive dissonance. they are sure they can. well you understand that they all can, but for some reason they don’t do this, because del’s decision was for a month and a half. it's been more than eight and there's nothing close, and so on. and i have a feeling that he is a reality, it is somehow completely different, and for no one, including me, by the way, a b is under threat, uh, and almost all possibilities were shut up for me. i'm blocked wherever possible? but e, under threat, means complete silence, and bring this reality in accordance with the statements. no one can just stand up for themselves, as it seems to me, always for

quite as rigid as the examples. so in this situation, you would now go further, there would be the following tough step, which is connected there, well, let's say a witness to censorship, you can apply, please, i can shut up at all, well, this will not be reality. look, she's going to be in the black now. that's the problem. if this is not a procedure, they said absolutely true things that would agree, why do you think that they are not true things, they see reality in a wrong way, but i see everything that i did not see. i am more often i go on air quite often. i got everything blocked since february. in the fact that alexander nikolayevich is blocking you, you alone understand, yes, not at all those people who are about whom the sounds are no, not military censorship. and no one drove you away, blocking completely different sites that have nothing to do with this, they immediately lit

a flag there, yes, when he sergeyevich said that we shouldn’t. there, look, we prove that we are not ukraine. and i think that we are now following the ukrainian path. such a building for 8 years. here on ukraine i remember 8 years ago when the conflict began. there was exactly the same mess with the mobilized them with these were not. in this abuse and so on, but we did not draw this conclusion . we are now going through it, we, uh, they began to reform the army back then they had new young officers. they have new technologies. we have our own and so on america. we are now also going through this path of taking out, so i just want to say that if we borrow something technological from ukraine, this does not mean that it is bad. even in the area of ​​censorship. they don't always. she is in this good technology. wait, come on, wait. yes, i don’t really understand it means, let’s then eh? in general, we will close all sorts of opposition media that

will make one channel for us there, but there is no radio station, echo of moscow was taken and turned off right there. well, not immediately satisfied, it's us and so on. you want to say that when we say that zelensky was shutting down alexander yuryevich now, damn it, i’m censoring and it’s mine, when zelensky was closing, uh, television. and we are here in in general, they said that it somehow doesn’t fit very well. the democratic goal about this, that it’s bad for us for russia, but for him, for ukrainians , we need to act well now. just like him, because what he does is good for ukraine, if we do it, it will be good. it’s good for us to briefly say my conclusion in a simpler way, considering, among other things, the experience of ukraine, zelensky, with the help of the west of america, he made ukraine a totalitarian or not, but an effective state as an instrument. here we also need to borrow this experience in order to

close tv channels here. they cannot. here the country is bigger, and so on, our tools, but we need to make our state much more efficient, taking into account, among other things, the ukrainian experience in this regard. i am convinced. we say they are therefore the state does not tell him either. look, nicholas oh, nicholas ii fought with japan a. then his implacable opponent. stalin also fought with japan nicholas ii from germany and stalin fought with germany with us alexei mikhailovich comes down to what we have to wait to absorb. wait logically for us it is important those who understand logically, just psychologically is one thing. and when we cut something. well, for example, alexander nikolaevich at some point you, because you, too, are critical of the army , someone else will have such a ukrainian version of a one-doluse. and without the echo of moscow, which was closed, we had quite different medium-sized moscow, there was no

single one. we mean some kind of asterisk that led us to some one in this studio, including, just i’m afraid of bogdan’s daughter, this is all about technologically, you can listen to everything in theory, but if you take and look at our program, it’s been there for a couple of weeks or months, it turns out that using your own logic. we wo n’t be able to invite you, ivan sergeevich, i can end it like this, if for the benefit of the state to build it as their effective tool for saving the state itself at the level of survival, as sidorchik said, this is required. well, that's how it should be done. if it's not required with this, i believe yes, he is useful he useful, like a cynic ark who says some things, there and so on. uh, sometimes sobering. yes. i'm talking about not even our program at all. well, i'm here about our program. and i always apply to the fact that here, but anyway. there is no such document left put incorrectly in ukraine there is no state. it can

not be totalitarian. this is just a pirate community, a totalitarian sect that has taken over the territory of the people. what kind of state do they have no borders, they have no budget, they don’t even themselves contain. this is a flying gang. end andrey vladimir there is no state. oh, if there were no state in ukraine, we would have really been talking money for a long time. yes, there are states in ukraine. there are armies. there are even boundaries, and so is the budget. andrey nikolaevich, we can reflect here as much as we like. but if we continue in the same spirit as we continue now, that is, the nazis will hang us here as ivan here in this studio. this will be the result of our policy, the bad finale of this part andrey nikolayevich didn't talk about it, he doesn't hear about it. major chertanov finally stops again, and what

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season sunday 22:20 on ntv at the age of 12, she learned from a friend that she was growing up in a foster family and did not believe in the terrible truth. i say mom, so vitalya told me, she sat down and said, well, the time has come, it means to tell, however, for 40 years already. she is looking for her brother or sister, she said that she seemed to have thrown me into an empty cold room, then i am the second child by birth, and recently a woman wrote to her on a social network and introduced herself i wrote my story to my niece and about a week later a girl called me. really, after 52 years, a girl thrown into a hostel will find people who are relatives by blood. marina’s mother, agafonov’s father’s mother , was also called the agrophone kalina, wait, you could have left the child for the sake of what his power left to close me at home alone, the same thing that i had left me, there was still i opened it.

envelope dna today 17:50 yes? ntv this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. and now we will continue, well, by tradition, i must give greetings. i am now in the second part of the program, but i actually distribute them, that's what i thought about. and it's good, anyway. i believe that in our program, people are completely different in temperament, but emotionally and politically. well, as, for example, mr. sedorovich or mr. sytin , this is what happened with us a few minutes ago. so i was this saturday last saturday dzerzhinsky, as always, received a huge amount of shrimp to you, including written ones. i just don't stood there the letter was to me, but with the correspondence you have a variety of wishes there. so, you had to send a fiery message to anton khashchenko

from dzerzhinsky a and received, perhaps for the first time, a written list of complaints against our guests, who, as a rule, are on this side of the left. away from me and there was fedorov and a timofeyev. well, i'm not going to read this list now. well, it seems to me that not negative emotions are enough. and in general, they are unlikely. the efficiency of this will be very high and necessary and necessary, but on the other hand, in the same way, for example, they passed on. greetings to boris borisovich nadezhdevin, who is here today. why am i saying all this? and it seems to me that our viewers are just. mm draw the right conclusions. and we are working correctly, accordingly, correctly, because if we still took one side, i’m stepping on my own throat now, because you know a million times i said that i’m in favor of censorship, it should be introduced there. and in general, in general, here, but on the other

hand. if we will probably still be will work somehow completely one-sidedly. we have one sidorchik, and there will be no sytin, then, probably, this, uh, will still distort, uh, somehow the picture is informational for our same viewers, who, as you understand, from what i am now saying i can extract someone transmits information, hello, khanchenko, and someone transmits. hello hope, it means that you are doing the right thing, everything agrees. no, i agree. then let's. so i recruited all of you, and now we will start recruiting now . that's because the ukrainian side, and is now trying to engage in the fact that she recruits some of her supporters. well, now i'm talking about those citizens who live on russian territory. and it is already obvious that now we will name even some ukrainian special services. and it is already obvious that very serious money is being spent on this, to ensure that some people are sleeping there, and

to organize how it all functions. let's see the first story and then we'll discuss it. recruitment of hesitant citizens in the russian regions is engaged in immediately two ukrainian special services. so back in march, the national resistance center was created, it is looking for provocateurs who incite local residents to protest against the russian authorities. if everyone is silent, it turns out that everyone is for and we showed by our actions that we are against and those who were for ukraine and did not show any action looked at those who were against it united added decided we posted leaflets made graphs showed them that they are enemies in this city. training will be published on the website of the resistance center materials. how to steal a russian tank to ambush? how to behave in captivity? there are detailed instructions for each civilian profession

. do you work as a plumber or a cleaner? can you get a legal basis for access to the occupant's residence? moreover, at his invitation or on his initiative, the egg white, which we take out with a wide needle, can be inserted into the sofa cushion or even into the mattress. after a few days, a wonderful aroma will appear in the room along with a center of resistance to recruitment. the partisan is engaged and the center of forces special operations all its employees call themselves elves as opposed to orcs, that is, the russian elves are supplied with recruited explosives and weapons to commit the murder of the irakts, according to the bbc, the unit has more than a thousand people, and the total number of the entire ukrainian underground is kept secret. i often observe that there are some people who do not have experience, but we deliver weapons and explosives to them through certain procedures. they learn on the ground to use them by mounting special instruction videos. people are learning from place to how to ambush or sabotage. so

vladimir valeryevich of the zaporozhye region, how serious is this problem. well, this is a serious problem, because, of course, they were preparing for a confrontation long before february 24, our opponents were preparing bookmarks that we find throughout the territory. it doesn't matter where in melitopol the berdyansk energy giver is. well, in other towns. they were not made after the beginning of their own, but for the most part before the beginning. well, that is, it would seem why they did it, if on their territory, the principle simple, because they were going to poke their noses at the beginning of march, and in the crimea and the donbass they perfectly understood that they would get hit by the ears and retreat. and it had to be all left. eh, found out already. well, not even just dozens already, probably, i even think that the number of such dreams has exceeded a hundred. everywhere approximately the same type, that is, homemade explosives. well, explosive devices, more specifically, uh, grenades are small arms. that is, depending on the functionality, it remains well that this is what you can feel with your hands there, but c

the fact that here, as it were, they also work systematically here. that's good, they showed these, as it were, manuals, but here, in a nutshell, exactly the same ones were created for officials who must integrate into the vertical of power that will be created. well, even the second version 2.0 was already ready for understanding in february. well, how would i have them in paper form, even, well, in the electronic e version, which was developed by the sbu e directly for e, sabotage of the restoration of peaceful life. what should be done? that is, purposeful uh-huh official come in and, uh, how can such officials be identified? well, it's hard to install, because in fact. there everything is built in the form of such regulation. yes, he doesn’t respond to any request there for as long as possible, he doesn’t fulfill the requests of people, the italian strike. well, it's a tricky process. well, at the same time, officials are often like that. yes, what a sin, we just face it. excuse me, please, not

all officials. we have such. it was i who told the officials, well, sometimes it happens, but about that let's excuse me, right? let's be in russia too such officials who will now chatter everything to drag out on some, like tough civil measures. i want to clarify when you say that the problem is serious. about how many people this is not the essence. this is a thousand more i imagine. those who have this in their heads, according to your feeling. i understand that this is somehow statistically impossible to calculate, but how many people need to be found to do something with them. i don’t know what to re-educate something more seriously, how do you like the scale here. well you know in absolute quantity i do not presume to say, i can say that there are people. well, here, let's have an important point here , what is in the head - this is one question , so that it does not get out of the head into the hands and does not begin to be realized. here i am interacting with a mass of people who, back in february, were shouting stamps there, melitopol residents of ukraine berdyansk from ukraine, there are sometimes actions in ukraine now, these people are

actively helping our defenders without coercion. yes, without anything else, they help dig trenches. they buy at their own expense emphasized at their own expense protective equipment for the army. so i was there a month and a half ago, well, already a couple of months ago i was transferring guns to the nuclear power plant anti drones, with which they planted already 50 drones . kamikaze drones did not drop a single drop of grenades, mines, or anything else, with the help of drones, not to a nuclear power plant or to nogar, that is, 500,000 of these e are working, well, to buy these e anti-drone guns, they were transferred by such people who back in february march were considered completely different, that is, they actively participate in the defense of their native region and those who see where everything flies to them come from and they don’t want to call ukraine because death flies from ukraine in the literal sense to such people who still a few months ago they shouted, berdyansk of ukraine, as a person

you trust them 100% you understand the concept of trust, i don’t trust myself very relatively. yes , i can say one thing, the most important thing is the degree of trust that arises between us, when they see that this is my own native land. i want everything to be okay here. we are restoring to a peaceful life, if they did not violate the law and were mistaken somewhere. that, please, that is, they do not go into some kind of access to state secrets to something else. these people themselves are still protected from some of some of the information that they, as it were, cannot yet get busy. know what here is a big risk niche. that's what it is and we need to work in this, for example. this is what i would call a political blue whale, that is, just when children and teenagers are being pulled up. here in these moments of the principle of small deeds, somewhere, as it was said. draw graphs. very draw graphics. yes , if we are ready, maybe we will turn like a child , because we actually also realized that this is a rather strong problem when the su is engaged in the recruitment of young people under the

age, maybe even liberated territories have something to do with it. this means that the special services are recruiting schoolchildren through instant messengers. and those who persuades the ukrainian special services. i mean to name the places where they saw the russian military, as a rule, children from disadvantaged families become victims of such recruitment. well , a small 2,000 hryvnia. this is approximately 3.5-5.000 rubles. for our money, in exchange, they offer to throw off photos and the exact coordinates of military equipment, special knowledge is not required at all, because any messenger can take pictures of any messenger. can put an end to the map so in donetsk a group of youngsters was caught, more than 15 times, five more school gunners found strikes on the zaporozhye nuclear power plant in zaporozhye, as it turned out, were also inflicted according to the data that the schoolboy leaked to the military. it turns out the information that

people suffered without me, and then well, uh, the punishment will come out. me in 20 years. this is how stupid young people do not understand , parents did not explain it before, or parents, on the contrary, explained it this way, yes, right away, directly to the young. if you want to go to adults, you don’t want to, after such emotionality, you may not be separated. although i fully admit that the mother of this guy who was crying now. she, perhaps, is completely different from a seemingly prosperous family. you really don't care what he did there. what are you family doing? this means there are idiots parents that japan see here right there the story, what uh? now you can counteract them with armed methods as much as you like, prohibitions or something else, the situation is practically not corrected in this way, because there are certainly questions in the minds. that is,

it is such an ideological indoctrination, which already was. look here. but what is not clear to me , although it seems that everything should be very simple, vladimir vladimirovich just said that people there perfectly understand where death flies from the ukrainian side. at the same time, it turns out that some of the people who see this perfectly and understand that they are flying from there. they can still be, due to the processing that was. as you say, they believe that it will be better with those they will be warmer than with the russians. yes, but, well, this is some kind of paradox turns out. this irrational. in any case, there is no explanation here. well now, if you will let me finish, yes. eh, if we are talking about the idea, then here you can be patient, you can endure. for a very long time, while you endure decisions, while they will fly at you there in your direction. you will, as it were, do everything possible to continue such ideological ones. not all,

look. we are they they are we, if with this, if not safely, and she doesn’t care, that is, this woman doesn’t care about any idea, and it turns out that they are all ideas. i would hit right here by states, look, if we take people who remain in the territory that is now under the russian federation of the russian federation tore , so, and then how would i act, i would, of course, the first thing i did was create cells due to the fact that i was looking for like-minded people , the dynamists will somehow betray themselves somewhere on them there, through acquaintances of acquaintances of acquaintances, you can always get out. this is the first, second, uh, with children. i would get involved too. i especially if they got some kind of ideological charge, and through the game a great opportunity, guys organize an underground. well, plus money. if you still finance, and plus everything, a person is still a social being, it is important for him to receive approval from somewhere.

and if he is praised for it. and if they also provide financial support, in general, everything is fine with me as adults, and with adults why and for a decade to work with them in order to convince that with the russian federation than ukraine, for example, and only in this case there is a possibility that percent 80. yes, they will accept it, but there will always be 10-15 percent, which are not for that under no circumstances. and igor vladimirovich let's dai also wanted to. excuse me please, as if those who just came here raised their hands. well, i don’t understand why we are, at all, for us, it all became unexpected, as if we didn’t have such experience, for example, after the great patriotic war, as if we hadn’t been chasing e for 10 years, i’ll explain to you and we say that because not you , not i really didn’t see it, didn’t see it. we know this from books. excuse me, i don’t share with anyone , is it back? i told vanya, you know sometimes some revelations finds on me because

my tv works periodically and at some time it goes on again for 17 moments remember? i tell him, listen again, as it were, well, all this has already been understood 20 times, and then i forgot, if a little, but now it’s like on these, like a bag on the head. i say the first thing that all the leaders again remembered. reich were with secondary education. there were no people with higher education and yet. here they are kind of like gray, uneducated for a very short time. at they had much less time than ukraine since 1991. they managed to transform the whole country. here, here, in this car , you understand, so now here for us, this is surprising. well, surprise, though, still we er, we have those who know the laws of war. well, those who know the laws of sabotage, we talk about these uh, sleeper agents, a million times. we talked about it sometime in different ways in the studio. why can’t we talk about it directly, where are ours

where are our partisans in kharkov and nikolaev areas, yes, where are our agents there? why didn't they grow it there in those years. this is very surprising, so that, probably, they did not assume that everything would come en masse now, why did we decide? why not lose something? well, because we don't see results. i don't see these results, what am i to tell you that they caught where in kharkov where are you in kharkov there, who blows up in kharkov in general in the fourteenth year? the sbu not only cleaned it up, everything is fine . protect everything. we have been working all these years in a very unprofessional way, and we are surprised. i'm sorry, no understandable for special. yes, it is clear, we are not special services, but we did not work. we didn't work with you. we prepared the agent. you were supposed to be people who know how, that is, you know how to cook people who should be doing this professionally. i don't see this result. i remember how

some of the people who now, for example, live on the territory of russia, are political, for example, there is one in the kemerovo region, and political migrants are known to say, here are our kharkov partisans, as soon as i don’t know, there are borders russian troops will approach the kharkiv region. kharkov partisans will show themselves, where are these kharkov partisans, where are these nikolaev. you? name this professional somehow stigmatized some professionals. but you even call one person by the surname vladimirovich, then you yourself did a good job of naming it. well, let him, let him now, somewhere there, he will shake me up. i heard these words of konstantin in debt, for example. well, he heard from him. he said as soon as he was born, yes, he means the amendment, konstantin dolgov just heard, yes indeed. i am sure that he will not refuse these words. only the partisans disappeared somewhere, the same with the massive distribution of passports. yes, we see that now, uh, the special services of some kind, well, strange uh people there on the border, who

wrote something on social networks, are not allowed into the territory of russia. they are already in this way. agents are sent in, but when passports were distributed en masse, uh, for residents as well. e, kherson region for residents of the zaporozhye region, did our special services work with these people? in general, i understood everything in the hustle and bustle in this hustle and bustle. i think they, in general, it turns out that e in your picture of the world. we really completely lost to the ukrainians, because that's how vladimir just explained, there from the chronological order, andriy did for a long time andrey, the fact of the matter is that he is with the enemy. we must learn the hurricane, we must learn. i'm just doing zelensky we had to do there, so i start to scream a little. yes, for teenagers. now we literally fix it. the thing is , about the kharkov partisans there was a group made several dozen. e active action. they were connected from the kharkov tank factory and with a host of other events, some people were killed

in the kingdom of the heavenly part were captured. we traded long enough, then they were taken away, then they started. deprivation of the test of obtaining russian citizenship, institutionalizing everyone else. and for many years these people just got into such a cycle of the russian bureaucracy, about which it was not worth talking about partisanship, many of them had family tragedies happened when their relatives said, you're a scoundrel, you betrayed ukraine there and so on. these people are ideological, they were and actively acted, but, unfortunately, they did not survive the clash with the reality of obtaining a temporary residence permit and russian citizenship. the same medal of andrey that i say, yes, it means we were not ready to work with them, it turns out, that is, we were not ready, which they started so far, we call it a special military operation. we are embarrassed, therefore, to call a war. this is also a very big problem, because war and other laws regarding teenagers. here, about which we started the discussion hmm i briefly from the schematic, there are two ways to solve this problem. the first instrument, the second dialogic instrumental is very simple, as a

rule, these guys are attracted. uh, well, it's not the ideology that attracts them to drive, uh, excited. forged let's face it, alcoholic parents live in marginal strata, for example, there and so on, that someone needs them, that they will be given money, they can buy a smartphone, and so on. here the policy is very simple, someone of her gingerbread is announced a few companies since it announced. by the way, the sbu, for example, a company hand over your curator from a used one will get money. oh, we'll take you here, there, i don't know the young guard. uh, youth service, counterintelligence. you will be with us here, we will give you a uniform, there dagger will give something else, but it looks like he wrote me for me about the fact that we have always written some kind of reflection of a man’s hut. come show me who it is here in the contract, the second, please. this is the whip. this is what this guy is now sobbing. if you are not if you want, you would suffer an inevitable severe punishment, that a person is caught in our country, as a gunner of american himoms he was scolded, he repented on camera and they get him out on

the territory of ukraine yes, you can do anything like that, you can cut everyone’s head on the territory of ukraine and questions. ideological is connected with the fact that they wrote to me from donetsk complaining. some of the families evacuated from there, some of those bad teenagers began to draw swastikas on their houses. here's what they saw what they had pressed in and started broadcast. and what kind of ideology do we have, what do we offer them as simple meaningful ideas of symbols. i'm such something we offer them to draw on the fence. you mean it. well, yes, by the way, he offered azov a little something there now, when we pintobasize before discussing, we will then understand what to draw on the fences. so let's victor rzd said that behavior is irrational. it seems to me that here i will explain. why is this behavior, on the contrary, rational? it would be irrational to assume that russia will go to those or other territories, and then all the people who live there and who have lived there for the last 30 years, and who lived there during the soviet ukraine

. they suddenly happened on the same day. eh, the position says so will change. i'm talking c under fire. yes, they could feel themselves under russian shelling; now it was under shelling, zaporozhye viktor zheleznodorovich. the lord is with you. so you understand clearly, the loyalty of the people, so here they were citizens of ukraine and then all of a sudden, the next day they became already loyal to the russian authorities. yes, there is cynical people, and some who yes, they understand at this moment. here was such a head of the ukrainian greek catholic church. andrey shevtsinsk metropolitan, who first in the forty-first year wrote a letter of greeting to adolf hitler and said that he was a liberator, and then, when the secular, when the red army was already approaching ukraine, wrote a letter of greeting to joseph synonimovich stalin as the unifier of the ukrainian land. by the way, no one shook metropolitan andrei shiptytsky . what is interesting to add? is not betrayal. as they said in the movie crucian, not so much a concept, they don’t think in such political categories, and therefore, you understand,

there are different categories of people, categories of people who are really connected with the sbu or with the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine with other special services, some potential there and even not by the ukrainian special services, which are really engaged in terrorist sabotage and sabotage activities, of course, appropriate measures must be taken against such people, but most of the people who can somehow be unaccustomed to the new authorities, not to be sure of the future, not to understand what russia actually wants, is it there forever, when they look good with these people, but how for one second you need to work for a long time systematically and moreover, by the way, information policy these people, wait a minute, condemn nothing, but did not commit it. and here is an example that bogdan anatolyevich cited here they took him by the hand, like a gunner, well, a modest woman. here, yes, or here yes, they found that's the one there with these so as if, if this is a gunner who worked, uh, in the interests of foreign in this case intelligence of the

enemy, then there are appropriate measures that can be taken to this person. well, that is, measures , including those of a criminal nature, that is, there is no need to be particularly delicate here. there is an important point such such terrorist. uh, let's say groups, and they form best, where there is a breeding ground for them, that is, when the population supports that side there. it is most convenient to form such terrorist groupings in order to make it more difficult for the enemy to do it, you need to work with the population. and i have already repeatedly, when, by the way, before the special operation and during the special operation, what to tell ukrainians that does not exist here, and that they are all russian people. tell them that the ukrainian language was created, but by the hungarian general staff or what, is it fictitious, not real, or what? it's just the director of the russian language. we turn them against us . if russia wants to be successful among the population that is in these territories this is all clear, but forgive me for god's sake, but those who live in the zaporozhye region in the zaporozhye

region, but it seems to me that there is one. this is not the biggest problem. if you explain it to people who live in the ivano-frankivsk region, and then yes, how to work with work, very beautiful wording. i would like some remarks that in the film the garage still e phrase that in time e give it do not give foresee said a negative character. but those who watched movies garage - it's great even yes, everything is there victims of the soviet bureaucratic regime officially. yes, bogdanovich's idea that let's all of us who participate in such events there was a message that let's join some russian organizations. this is the edge. this is extremely vicious, because why well do you assume the consequences, because if one

person, if you all say dear citizens. to the federation, join the ranks of the apple party, it is vicious if we invite the citizens who participated in what you now show to join in the batch of apple. well, that's just crazy, you don't get it. absolutely i why before were recruited you offer to say, give me yours. uh, for the money, hand over your curator and join us in something there young to be in demand, please, here's one for you. offer to call something , despite the fact that there is also a rule that if a person gave out one, he and the second time. and why, as a human rights activist democrats , i would never do anything with them. yeah i mean, i'm like a democracy human rights activists. i would do nothing with him did. i wouldn't run into them. you just said that you propose to attract whom? wait a second. and if a person is engaged

in aiming an enemy missile, you say that you will not collide with him. are you sure that no rocket will ever hit the place where you are? i will explain to you that i will not run into the idea of ​​​​cooperating with him. i won't. you are suggesting who will be gathered to draw their ranks in this sense, do not say people in the ranks who only pay someone, so that they come to you and hope that we will no longer have to go to our opponent for twice the amount. well, a few other proposals then on working with the population, because from what i hear now, let's ignore the hands and file. no, do not work as an amplification with the population. look, you have shown, uh, citizens, whom i think that there are certainly not so many in large numbers. it was indeed expected it was strange if this was not expected, but i believe that now just the first theme should be. what to do with those people who were not involved in

any uh in any activity, and they can get hurt and so i want to uh some future broadcast to discuss our measures on what to do with the civilian population. how to ensure its security in those territories that can now pass from one side to another, because against the backdrop of hostilities, the intensity of passions is so high that there can be victims . she offers civilians move to other regions. countries. you can't understand him, but that's all, that's why, if we talk about negotiations. that is one of the first topics, you need to return, well done, because, firstly, oddly enough i agree with many things, something attacked me like that, but in fact he didn’t hit. we demanded them. no, listen, but it seems to me that the three- sos must be lost. let's share. the first is those people who are already committing offenses, who are the gunners of caches and that's it.

the rest is pay me a criminal criminal code and criminal punishment and a very serious punishment under russian russian law 20 years. you are there, yes, for life, if it depends, and the second part does not apply to everyone , and the second part finds out what i don’t know how why. comrade bogdan told you that they scolded him there and let him go. they even showed. this is somehow a position in our program, as they were expelled to the side. i do not yet see with my own eyes people are ready to believe these stories, the second. and these are people who can potentially, as it were, who have some kind of their own ideological political views that are different from what means, uh, can be called patriotism or there the russian position, and they are potentially here, as it were , the kind of people who can be recruited. but with them, of course, and this is a question, but prevention. well, everyone even knows that if they commit and harshly, then, that is, they commit such an offense, then they received punishment. that is, it is a matter of both fear and buttons of the criminal and misunderstood galaxy. that

is, each this boy in advance is a boy or a man should know that if he is caught on this thing, he will sit down for 20 years and leave, that is, threaten people. i would say again on the one hand. well, of course, this is the only way it works, in fact, we actually have the criminal code, as for many categories of the population only alive. well, that’s right, but they don’t let me finish talking and the carrot, and the carrot - these are completely, very different things. in fact, those are the very possibilities. now, as for the special services, which have not worked out enough. please refer me. here, a good intelligence agency is a good agent. these are those about whom they do not know, whom they do not take. it’s unfounded to say that we don’t have anyone there. moreover, the ukrainian side constantly says that they are taking someone else there. well, this is at least wrong or incorrect and unfair to these people. then the work of the special services today, how it was necessary to communicate with someone. can you imagine how many people got russian passports or

how many people crossed the territory? yes , no special services in life talk to everyone. so, should it have been done like this? way again, for this, there are completely different other instruments, completely different instruments, for example, well, for example, listen, there is, for example, and it’s done the way it’s done, i give an example, yes, and this may not seem very correct, someone can learn, but there is such a method of provocation and in parallel, for example, their own such groups are created there. find a type for the same purpose and unwind the whole ball. i want to remind you that thank god thank god for all this time, well, not counting the crimean bridge. pah-pah. wait in kursk region blew up a power line in bryansk railway . i'm talking about a different type. now i'm talking completely in all things, not about power lines. by the way, about the power lines to the military registration and enlistment office, everything else. and what did ukrainian citizens necessarily do? no, it's often

worse. we frankly have all these navaliers and others, which they frankly ukraine, and moreover, i will give you an example, and one of the cases was investigated. yes, there is no ideology offered by the marginal, they said so much money. so what and the money go. it's just strictly criminals they said, it’s so important, what’s next, that the main approach is that the approaches to these people are different, they are all different, therefore, the tools that these people work with are different here, we won’t find it. some kind of excuse me e recipe, what needs to be done like this and this, of course, is not a question of the fact that we lack an ideology. we do n’t have a lack of dialogue, that we liberate ukraine yes, the most powerful ideology against the background of what happens when they fly, what ideology i say again, the liberation of ukraine in this case. forgive me from nazism. this is coal. this is, the real ideals are needed, if it were perceived in ukraine, but we see, if we perceive it correctly, the question. it's a matter

of communication. it's a packaging issue. so it's a matter of technology. no, this is a question of not telling people who feel like ethnic ukrainians that they are russians. it's just that they still scored this topic. which of the officials says that you are leading this topic . i don’t know what broadcast, so you can raise it, they say, read telegram channels. read so stop. quiet. that's it. let's just not pray to telegram channels as the only thing now. uh, the ultimate truth now while you were making noise, once again the settlement alyoshkin. alyosha alyoshkin, alyoshkina, alyosha alyoshka. this is the kherson region. they detained a group of gunners, who, under the guise of evacuated citizens in the kherson region. here we switched to the russian stop. at the same time, they are all uh, their former ukrainian prisoners. here you are avengers from prison. just here it was packaging this information there should be more of it, there should be a lot. here,

look for a second, literally just a wagner defector. there they did something to him in ukraine, yes, appropriate. uh, again , information sources explained the ukrainian and russian criminal world connected and found who needed found, see how those guys worked. well, the ones that provide jobs. why doesn't the fsb talk about its successes directly today, right? you have something of a personal appearance. yes, alexander nikolaevich, at the very beginning you said that degree. and how will the aggressiveness increase? uh-huh in relation to us, is there any ceiling or not? what do you think, well, there is probably no ceiling, where will it come from? well, i don't know, but uh, the fact is that in order for aggressiveness to be filed, and for this they must feel that they began to live much better live straight. well, until

i got no objective data that there are no toilets, and they have weapons, you know, before the military operation, they also had the light, that is, uh, they should live better not by compared to, uh, what is happening there yesterday, and the day after tomorrow they will live better, they must begin to live better. i have something with the way they lived before all these events, then maybe there will be some changes and maybe it’s not a fact at all, it’s better to live in their own language, people can speak their own language calmly. this is already a lot. this is not for this from my point of view were extremely unskillfully exaggerated. we can talk as much as we want about the political prerequisites for this, and i said more a in the thirteenth

fourteenth and fifteenth years that these things do not take into account. what happened and what is happening. i basically agree with what victor said in terms of content, here's what's going on. it was more than expected, but a layer of a whole layer of the expert community appeared, which convinced that everyone was waiting with loaves, dumplings and so on. so we note, by the way, saying, yes, of course, and good agent is the agent who does not fail. or maybe it's a layer - it was just a layer agents, it would be necessary to think about this, but by the way, the theoretical possibilities are not so far away, the theoretical possibilities, because those members of the party of regions who ended up after i am not talking about, uh, the ukrainian side, but about our political scientists, who you just understand, our program has been in existence since the sixteenth year. therefore, what was in the

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to speak, because she has already started her work because of the time difference with indonesia. tomorrow there will be a performance. uh, the president of ukraine , he, at least, he said about it, he wrote that he would be via video link. now i will say that it is meaningful to represent the position of the country. here, in fact, his story. they say that in kiev they are trying to somehow influence the so-called swing countries, what kind of such countries mean, here, as the edition of politics in kiev writes, saudi arabia, india, brazil and china are considered to be such. well, i don’t know how hesitant they are, especially china, according to this edition, the indonesian authorities. now, on the contrary, they are trying to get american european australian canadian and japanese colleagues to show flexibility. they seem to be just harshly directed against russia , so they showed flexibility and would not include them. according to

the final communiqué, some kind of direct, uh, criticism moreover, the finational times claims that there will be no language condemning russia in this communiqué, but because china is categorically against the most likely , again, the finational times claims that the parties, but agree that the document will a vague statement that now is not the time for war, or there will be a separate statement about the hostilities in ukraine well, one way or another, it will also be vague and moreover, uh, not all countries of the twenty will sign it. we want avoid the formation of fronts within the g20 we want to be open to dialogue with countries, even if they do not support sanctions the g20 accounts for 75% of world trade and 60% of the world's population. we cannot simply leave these countries to putin and his

propaganda. we need to send a signal so nikolay something, andrey ivanovich fedorov, who was present with us today at the first hour, he said that at the twenty the ukrainian topic would be enough, well, there it will be discussed in detail, but your opinion, how it will be discussed this topic and to will this discussion lead to something or not? well, if it is discussed seriously, then the most serious technique is serious, because the most serious topic at the moment is certainly the danger of using nuclear weapons, and g20 countries should now talk about this. yes there is e. the issue of a ceasefire agreement is an investigation of war crimes, a pancake and prisoners, but the first immediate task is how to ensure the non-use of fire and the safety of nuclear plants, which may defeat, which can also lead to very dangerous consequences, because such a thing is still in world history. it just wasn't there to see it. here they will tell lavrov there, our

delegations said, dear mr. minister of foreign affairs. you there, please don't use nuclear weapons. in fact, everyone was going now, uh, steel, after all, a little bit. uh, everything went down , each exercise showed that everyone can on the borders of each other, therefore, and then really further as they were to take effect agreements do not proliferation of nuclear weapons. at some point, they were able to agree on a ban on nuclear tests on the surface, that is, they can. whenever countries want, they can talk about it. and this, by the way, an agreement to ban on the surface of the earth what you are now proposing is actually the perfect excuse for everyone. remain satisfied, because all i assure you all who arrive at the top twenty all who will participate there, then the online war. everyone will agree that the use of nuclear weapons is bad. everyone will say. you are absolutely one deal twenty use it no, it's one thing to be in an interview, and another thing when it 's in a relationship. this is all very beautiful in

relation to the development of events. it has nothing to do with being famous. if you think that the nuclear danger is an unrealistic development of events, then it is irrelevant. i think. and a lot of russian security scientists believe that this is very zelensky. well, of course, he does good things when bad things happen. these are, of course, no hesitant countries, namely those four, but the leading countries in general, which just do not sign any statement against russia for different reasons. there brazil, for example , depends on russian fertilizers by 80 to 90% china is understandable. russia's partner india will not get involved in any adventures, but saudi arabia for her. excuse me in these conditions that it is possible to discuss a completely meaningless summit in ukrainian. for example, i do not see any topics for discussion of this summit at all. it will somehow pass unnoticed in the history of a serious will not remain. maybe to be his one about him the memory will remain that he

passed without participation, somewhere they are discussing, how to ignore. uh, our delegation is there to walk around individual countries, not the most twenty to ignore. it still won't work. lavrov with whom to meet. and the most important dish, they really named four countries that are now very seriously influencing the international situation, which will definitely not oppose russia . it will be possible against us consider it a success, some positive results, not at all, there the gentleman gather in order to discuss how big. and what will be possible in the current world order in the new world order? and what is impossible, and for what, uh, it will be such a time you can not, when it comes. they complete the processes. it has actually already arrived, because the meeting between xi and biden. she was dedicated. that's just the red lines, what to consider these red details have not yet completely

arrived there is not very clear there is nothing, but, according to at least they fried each other's hands, in contrast to the meeting with and scholz, scholz. he did n't even shake hands. well, because they are both big, they perfectly understand. one way or another they will come across what will be broadcasting there, uh, small ones. i mean, they are not interested in zelensky. well , the truth is, they are well aware that they are no longer close to a confrontation, this confrontation has begun and it is necessary to discuss the rules of the battle, in fact. here in this new confrontation. and can we add a few more small ones then, because there the verkhovna rada of ukraine under the guise. actually coming. i decided to propose, but once again exclude russia from the g20 proposal - this was initiated by a member of the ukrainian party. the voice is the man's name. yaroslav zheleznyak, he believes that the west should take our country out of the g-20 following the example of how russia was expelled from the g-8 after the reunification with crimea, this is not the first proposal to

exclude russia earlier, terrorist president vladimir zelensky called after the suspension of the grain deal initiated by russia. it was in in early november, in the spring, us president joe biden and canadian prime minister justin trudeau were the exceptions. poland was already pricked up; it was not possible to take the place of russia at that moment. however , the agreement between the countries of the twenty, so the issue is not in the chinese foreign ministry, they said that no member of the association can deprive another of membership, therefore the questions of participation in international organizations. moscow should decide on its own , glad that they were there just recently. what did they accept there about the independence of chkeria? yes, it was too the verkhovna rada, and now they have a review of the independence of tatarstan there, which means they are now throwing out russia and hd20, of course, this is just such a pr political technology, nothing more. that is, you do not allow something at all, it can happen in

no way at all. that is, we don’t even leave a percentage of a percentage. what does it mean that something like this can happen? recently, i began to experiment with quantum thinking. i will be told. what it is. excuse me, are you doing some yourself, or are you taking some drugs or liquids are used for this. no, no, it's just a technique . it means that his condition is deteriorating. in a sense, it means your quantum thinking, because such a question was some kind of question before. before that, there was a percentage of a percentage, there is some, they can fix it. i always prepare conversations about the fact that with the g7 russia cannot be excluded, because , well, it has not opened. we were not particularly excluded there. we mean now the same talk about the g20 the only difference is that the blood in the g20 except means such a monolithic western block. there are those strange ones there who were called hesitant, apparently on the principle that both

ours and yours. well, of course, it’s more correct to say, probably without deciding, but they use the word hesitant, as for the zelensky people who perform there, but he performs this number all the time everywhere. that's the kind of role, uh, he has to fulfill. naturally. this role is small. what moreover does zelensky influence your role abusive? i'm just finishing up the last hi i'll give, why don't i know why we don't this is not discussed? ukraine by the way, in fact, very very seriously spoiled the relationship with israel, she managed to vote. we can't do it all at once. yes, everything, history, even the second anti -israeli resolution, over there, israel of course. ukraine no, well, they just lost everything already on the coast . well , there they make a little noise and andrei on his side of baghdad, very briefly, from my point of view, it is not the g21 itself that matters, but bilateral relations, both russia with these countries, and the united states with these

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what outcome of this g20 itself can be considered positive for russia alexander nikolaevich yes, in fact, the watershed did not pass along the line, who is for russia and who is against, but along the line moreover, should this war lead to a global economic upheaval? and if, nevertheless , decisions are made that the war should not lead to a global economic shock, this will already mean certain holes in the sanctions

policy and therefore it will be favorable for russia so well. understood tak nikolaevich i think that the best results will be if the next one will have a normal big twenty and a big eight with the participation of russia in all variants, and this will be possible if peace comes to ukraine and russia return to normal mutually beneficial relations with other countries. this is exactly now it will be if the next ones take place at the present time already plus the declaration. it seems to me that the meeting that will bring the minister in is not so important, lavrov is healthy. i say, i mean, only there is a piece of paper about his productive meetings - this is a positive result for the russian delegation and viktor zhozevich. well , the best outcome for russia in the current circumstances is the absence of any anti-russian communiques or decisions, and most likely there won't be any. uh one plus. it means that next year the g20 membership will pass to india. india india has

better relations with russia than indonesia. and so it can be used next year. in the previous part, i mocked the nadlech, who told us something about quantum thinking during a break. he explained to me that quantum thinking. this is when you are ready to accept the position of each side, without taking this very side and there are no impartial attitudes towards your own in my world. it's called critical thinking, but however. i now wish that for 20 minutes , zabladala. this is the most quantum thinking with the ability to understand the other side. everything will be fine there, you will try there. hands to each other there, but, most likely, e will not bring any results. these are attempts to pressure such delicate rabinovichi, they are going to go to bed. rosa says, syoma let's have you today without all this. it hurts a lot, my head is a rose, my jewel, i am very worried about these pains of yours. i think that part of the money

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