they exist, and in this today in our program. hello, this is the meeting place on ntv , the place where everything becomes clear. we are working live. i am ivan trushkin, i work alone today while andrey vladimirovich norkin pleases our viewers in rostov-on-don with his personal appearance. and we are immediately called in the sweat of our brows. we will work for a couple more hours, which we wanted to talk about today in this studio. we have already discussed more than once that the basis of the ukrainian and ukrainian ideology was the opposition to everything russian they have a different opposition to our history, of course, the ancient one is better and in general always stood first in opposition to any russian culture. we have already discussed all this a lot, but now the ukrainian officials, they are taking the next step of the foundation. here on this opposition. they say russians are such barbarians, they are such. well, this is the whole state of the barbarians, and the inhabitants are next to the barbarians. we don’t want to, we oppose ourselves to them and

barbarian - this state must be destroyed, that in my retelling all this is not heard. you listen. now, please, head of the national security council. they just need to be destroyed so that they cease to exist as a country within the boundaries in which they exist, because today russia is one of the few countries that has colonies on its territory, which has destroyed a huge number of peoples, languages, cultures, traditions. they are just barbarians and when they say what is wrong with these barbarians. we should sit down at the table and say something, then i generally think that this is not worthy. well, in this the same day there was news that the lviv medical institution was offering to take a test for the absence of russian genes, this procedure is called a dna test for the genes of muscovites, only 6.5 thousand hryvnias in terms of rubles - this is 11,000. not a small

figure, and in the hands of the one who paid this money will be an official document that you are a pure ukrainian. and although real scientists say that there are no differences in the genes of russian belarusians and ukrainians . ukrainian identity is worth a lot of other dna tests, including paternity in this laboratory will cost much less rodionovich so you tell me from the fourteenth year. you are fighting look on the other side. i ask you directly, you feel that you are at war with the same people with you. you feel that on the other side there is one and the same people as on this side of ours without question, without doubt, without doubt, then what is happening to this people. to create that power, which they can manage, they can be controlled

by them. they give birth to a new ideology, they give birth to cut off the roots and replace them with prostheses. that is, we have a total of three things there, which you answer questions. and who you are, yes, that is, in its identification it is a religion, that is, it is actively going on now. so this is licking. yes, that is, the dog and the uniates are all passing branches. yes, that is, now ukraine should be made catholic, and the second language. and this is, that is, the ukrainian language is the russian language, now the maximum ukrainian language is being remade from the slavic language. well, in some a certain, but a third language, which needs to come up with a lot of terminology, and ideally, as this crime boss said. oh no authority. sorry criminal gang. lyosha danilov yes. that is, it means, he means, he says, it must be translated into latin. that is, this is the third in history, everything is clear. yes, that is, a lot has already been said about history, because let's remove ekaterina in odessa and put it in his place, history, religion and

language are, in my opinion, a thousand-year-old defense mechanism that should against 7 minute fluctuations lines. whatever party to protect is something that should keep you rooted to its own. yes , it turns out that it does not hold, if we see all this against the backdrop of the shock of the military shock is a fantastic shock for any brain. yes, that is, when they tell you they are shooting from there, they are guilty, which means they want to kill you, therefore, in order not to be like them, you must change religion. you must change the language. you have to change something else here. well, the main thing is not to be like them, then everything is under this shock when bogdana anatolyevich you we ourselves were told that some stressful situations can be shackled. well, the state price of a father is to be born some new identity, then, no matter how sad it was. watching bogdan now perhaps some new ukrainian identity, unknown to us, is being born now. well, some new nation-forming story ivan

sergeevich the fact is that a nation, as a rule, is rarely born on its own. as a rule, the ukrainian nation is created by the electrical intelligentsia of intellectuals. here is this uprooting, about which he spoke rodion, after all, it did not begin now, after february 24th. it started at the beginning of the 20th century. well , even in the 19th century, but the expansion, but acquired in soviet times, these people were driven into the head, and like me in childhood, that we are a separate people, ukrainians. we just wrote in cyrillic then. but now, when this wheel has gone uprooting, it has gone further, now, in the end , it comes to the cyrillic alphabet. oh, yes, latin to catholic, and so on, you were driven in as a child that you were some kind of separate people, of course you yourself felt a separate people, of course, i remember how terrible i was offended by the word maloros, although i did not even understand. what is the problem. this is part of the myth , the appeal to emotions or the suggestion of certain emotions. there is no offensive one, just like the layer lesser greece or lesser poland there, for example, and so on, then again, i repeat, i did not understand your answer. from the point of view of the birth of a new

identity. right now, these so -called ukrainian elites, they are uprooting it all, perhaps they will at some point i don’t know if they will change, and some new elites will come, who will begin to pump out something new on this, to cultivate something different from what we are not russian. i just wanted to say the first. yes, now these processes have gone at a very high speed. yes , a special military operation and the collision itself, the conflict, contributes to this melting of the birth of the molding of these people into new nations, completely artificial ours in the right way, but this process was not born now. he didn't go now. many of us are surprised. where did this conflict come from, why did it in general, it has been going on for more than 100 years, and in many respects it was laid down precisely in soviet times. in soviet times, ukrainians were created, ukrainization was carried out in soviet times in lipets, ukrainian checks, grushevsky was an academician of the soviet academy of sciences well, rodion is true, now this uprooting does not go at cosmic speed, if back in the early 2000s, only experiments were carried out with the latin alphabet, they printed a magazine in kirlite latin

one text, now they are talking about it quite seriously so boris boris what did you manage to say there, think correctly, you said correctly, if until february 24 there was some, although there was a small chance, yes, that sometime there, then all these there will calm down passions of muzzle about bendery there and forget, and so on, and there was a chance that the next generation was somehow russian ukrainians. there the russian language will be preserved, we will visit each other, there we will forget about the crimea, as the germans and the french forgot about alsace lorraine. you know, they fought for it for hundreds of years, fought, fought. thank you for telling a history textbook, dear ones, alas, there is no such chance, after the start of a special military operation, even that a fairly noticeable part of the russian population of eastern ukraine who really wanted to go to russia, i'm talking about residents. kharkov, i have relatives there. i am in dialogue with them. yes , even this is a small part. here, i mean no. she is on the wok. it was big. they wanted to go to russia after

the fourteenth year. they say, take us they said in kharkov how to take the crimea unfortunately, when rockets are already falling on your head, you have a relationship. to this fraternal country, russia is changing a lot, including for those who are there, therefore, i agree. in relation to the state , it can change, but this does not mean that they will support this story of barbarism and so on, because the people who are sitting in kharkov , they forgive me, maybe i will say some coronal thing for them . they, perhaps, in the depths of their souls continue to feel russian. they can ask their questions to the russian state, but they continue to feel themselves. still. i have to look for an important thing. well, identity, national religious. whatever determined by long-term government exposure. this is obviously absolutely a thing. you are a little more years ago, and what a state. i gave it back here, right here, there was practically no orthodoxy, and now everyone is orthodox. yes, because the state power in the person of prince vladimir took and

baptized that all orthodoxy was further 700 years ago 700 years ago. here in this very place the state was called the belly and the chief of the nation. there were mongols. occupied. i was occupied, we were vassals of the mangol. yes, then she won moscow, centralized state, orthodox and so on. history textbook, fifth to seventh boris come on dear comrades, the more. you are from here. speak from here. you say there is no special ukraine, it was invented in soviet times. wait, and so on, and they are as russian as we are, and in parallel with them, brazen crayfish are flying from here from them transformers, there, and so on. here, the more likely the normalization of relations and their return to the russian world, which is true. oh, big overall and attractive with all these terrible stories, still remain there and tchaikovsky there and everything else. and there is mendeleev and hundreds of years

of living together. they will remain, but the more. you say that they don't exist. and this part gave them there to the soviet power. lenin and stalin cut them up, the longer it will take to live like this until it all heals. i do not agree with the president that we are, in fact, partly in the civil war. i myself said this, by the way, a day earlier than he did this, but i want to tell you, the results of the civil war can be very different, firstly, depending on who wins, the result of the civil war cannot be a division into two nations, it can be, of course, yes . well, i would, mr. nadezhda, but i would recommend reading textbooks. uh, related construction. yes. yes, yes, yes, yes, building nations say, there are identities and so on, it is already now even in school textbooks really. as for the answer to your question. i first here, uh, on the other side sweated. thanks for submitting. and i also want to

thank a well-known ukrainian political scientist for the submission, who did not go crazy, by the way, vadim karasyov, uh, stopped working normally at some point. here's a no, there he was not alone, by the way, remained conscious. there are several people there, and not so long ago he said that uh hmm in his own way, that is, conceptually. uh, after the twenty- fourth of february. in fact, 14 years, and putin cancels belovezhskaya pushcha russia is a very interesting idea, because uh, according to belovezhskaya agreements. i am to yours. uh-huh according to the belavezha agreements, yes, that is, russia was within the borders of the rsfsr ukraine was within the borders of the ussr and after that there was a well-known statement that the russian people were the largest divided people in the world. so i'm talking to the regent of the connection. now we are reunited, that is, the annexation of the crimea, donbass and other russian

lands is the destruction of the belovezhskaya pushcha history. and thanks for the input, sir. nadezhda putin knowingly said 10 times that he does not agree with the leninist national policy before he is offended, but in fact, he wants to fix it. and therefore, when he says, when he says in these historical excursions, what he wants to fix, it means that lenin gave the donbass to ukraine, putin took the donbass back, and it was not in vain after the 24th. i checked for the first time i started using. eh term. navorote aleksandrovich, look at what you are now using and territorial division of novorossia. you are talking mainly about the land about the territory. there is a feeling that these are people with her, because we are talking about people. this the only nations. i agree. here they are completely signed with the words of the radio and i can directly

continue e at the place where he left off. this is indeed a monstrous experiment that lasts for several decades on the people of the state that used to be ukraine and with the help of first with the help of uh there information ideological manipulations of the beginners of everyday violence uh let's try. this is how we will now look at the signs of this ukrainian divorce, which he is trying to arrange with us in every possible way, including historical line, because everything that can be expressed in umiliruetsya. despite the fact that some characters of russian history. they obviously have the most direct relation to ukraine; they founded cities there and fought on their territory. let's see the plot now, because, despite the fact that all these people did them, it still means that ukrainian official propaganda is under the knee. the day before, in the city of izmail, odessa region, in the very one that alexander

suvorov stormed during the russian-turkish war , the monument to the commander was solemnly demolished. is the same fate in the near future awaits monuments in memory of suvorov and empress catherine the great in odessa, the city that they, in fact, together founded, are dissatisfied with the monument to suvorov and in tulchin, vinnitsa region. they call for the rally to be demolished at the exact moment. here the commander lived for a year, conducting large-scale military exercises on the border with poland and wrote the world-famous work science to defeat the modern ukrainian state considers suvorov guilty of deporting crimean christians and suppressing uprisings on the right bank ukraine, but the main claim of the special operation in ukraine involved graduates of the suvorov military schools suvorov and his army. just ass, reprisals against civilians are such a russian military tradition to destroy the citizenship of the population. in my opinion, now, apparently in ukraine, that is. uh, the russian army of those assumptions on the battlefield. and

that just terror begins against the civilian population, that is, the bombing, the destruction of infrastructure by the ukrainian troops of kherson, they took advantage of the moment and are trying in every possible way to burn out the memory that the city was founded by the prince grigory potemkin in 1778, by decree of the same empress catherine, they say that khan's ukraine existed on this land even without potemkin, where thousands of immigrants lived, until russia occupied these lands to the russian interpretation of history in the russian interpretation of history, the south of ukraine is the wild field. the bare steppe, through which the hordes of nomads occasionally ran, and only with the advent of russia to these lands. civilizations and culture appear here, but this is a complete lie, here the cossacks founded here in the winter, these are such small blows, where most of all these winterers appeared administrative phalanxes. and a few, on the territory of the kherson region, there was the parnoyevsky palanka in the

vicinity of the present village of heroskaya, where salt and fish were mined and transported further to ukraine, however, a new ukrainian history is being written not without the help of western propaganda, as euronews announced in the middle of last month in the xviii century. russia simply seized foreign territories that kherson appeared as a full-fledged city after russia emerged victorious in the end during the russo-turkish war, the authors of the plot forgot the ukrainian lands annexed after the speech section, so his remains are of great historical importance for the russians. but many ukrainians. we would like to get rid of this russian heritage in our cities, including odessa as soon as possible, so this whole story reminds me of such soviet bolshevik methods of the twenties, when all imperial history. she was all in the process of building a beautiful new, amazing identity. soviet but 10 years later, when they came some times of crisis, we

had to return to this imperialism and historicity, because something was needed behind our backs. won't it work, so now, masha, you are smearing with a saber there in kiev, building a new identity tra-la-la-la, and then five seven ten years pass and everything that you are now luring will have to be taken back by recognizing, thereby. we are still one people in history. the bible has examples and quotes for everything, so from what point do you start like this from the bible, if you can immediately build it, but the russian propaganda has always had two cornerstone errors. first mistake. we are one people. the second mistake is that they love us so much in ukraine and there are so many russians, so there is no need to work with ukraine and the european union, which did not shout that we were one people, poured money into small grant programs and grew up in 30 years, dissipating self-love in this time did not pour out anything. she screamed, we are one people, and at this time the peoples are just money. wait, money history. she does

n't contradict. uh, what i'm asking now is the history of history about one about one people about that, what is happening in our country now is a civil war, the monetary issue of the european union does not close. it’s just that the european unions at that moment had more money and the ability to give money, as soon as you admit that the peoples are different, as soon as you start with the people talking for real, then you will have a chance with this people to somehow agree on this, even kuchma the most pro-russian ukrainian president, generally the red director of yuzhnmash, wrote a book, ukraine is not russia, but everything was laid out for you there. why didn't you read and accept as a guide for me? mystery? why respect or disrespect for mr. kuchma? i just understand what is written politically correctly in the time book. just when he would have worked at yuzhmash, it seems, yes, if i do not lie to his biography, he considered himself one

part of one large soviet people of the soviet people, then at the right moment, ukraine would not russia ukrainianism and so on. this is called political expediency. forgive michael is called. thank you, i grew ukrainians for you shcherbitsky, including you know, i think that, of course, the premier pile is wonderful here. i think it's such a parallel. eh, with our partner hoping for about the same knowledge of history, only maybe with different results, one became a separatist, the other became a liberal, yes, but, in principle, this is still the same level of knowledge of history. he's about somewhere. we are stupid uneducated. yes, everything is clear, yes, and you are smart, that's why everyone in ukraine loves you in ukraine. so no one is going to love him at all. this in general, fantasy is going to make us dislike someone , but completely different. on things, we are talking about the fact that there is a certain single ethnic

community of ethnographers - this cannot cancel the disk of genetics. there is no way to cancel the whole question of what ethnic construction can be. this is what we really need to oppose to ethnic construction, as some kind of ideological worldview norms. just like , let's say, if the gdr existed and gorbachev would not exist. until today. quite, perhaps, it would be in the german peoples. that's what he says, i'm not lazarevna, with all my great respect. isn't it too late now to say that this is a single identity to correct something. the marus and i lived in the middle ages for several centuries in different states. this led to the fact that in the 17th century they sent their delegations to moscow from year to year with a request to return to russia . they are not

can be free in another state , the problem is that if people are remade in ukraine now, and catholics are sectarians. there i do not know in faggots. then indeed. it is possible from it from this accuracy, how would it be blinded? you can try something like the croats, if that's nothing, how are you such mr. nadezhdin and measure the history of the ninety-first did not react, the fourteenth did not react, the twenty-second should have allegedly not reacted. then, indeed, after some time it will be possible, appearance of new mail. what nadezhda is talking about, as far as i understand him, is that it’s too late to react. here is his main premise, just finished. he just says it's good. that's when the liberal says that we did something wrong. in fact, we did the right thing, which is the right thing to worry about bombing

, which we call bratsk correctly. that 's right. and i call the burat people. you're crazy, he'll never tell, he uses the people and the fraternal people. this is a soviet invention. check out your heads of education. oh yeah. this real science is real. forgive me, it is necessary to prohibit discussing the history of politics, gentlemen, lord, all anxiety. i understand inextricably. i only beg you. you, when someone says, and you, like this, incite from here from the great. it only sprays our audience, so that you can hear, so that you can be heard. i wrote down i'll give you the floor, i'll let you speak as you are. you already did today. and you can say whatever you want, agreed. thank you very much alexander nikolaevich i return. it's all the same question. not

is it too late to go back now, these one people on different tractors, one people, dispersed under different states, to sew back from my point of view is too late, but, because in the eleventh year of the twelfth. i very often, uh, have been to kiev. and here i even lived there for several months. and it turns out that for 2014 for 10 years from a very passive calm nation, which did not ask at all the question that different peoples are one people. yes, they lived, they lived, well, as it were, they were dissatisfied with their regime, their corruption, their policemen, and so on. well, they lived and nothing like that came to anyone’s mind, and someone went to russia with pleasure to work and someone dreamed that you would get a

russian residence permit and citizenship and it was believed that it was good in russia and there was pandemonium. and so, starting from the age of 14 , in eight full years, an absolutely anti-russian national community was formed. i'm not even going to say that it's the ukrainians there are full of russian-speakers who, in fact, adhere to the same point of view. has it been formed or is it just now in some kind of a certain exaltation from the fact that the money about which we are not lazarev, said in the european union , the guarantee is already close, maybe this is a certain exaltation in which people pronounce, but also think some kind of anxiety. well, such exaltation is all that you are talking about , even before february 24, the feeling of feeling anti-russian, the feeling of opposing oneself, all this was discussed for hours. it's all february

now, so, well, history is spoken of completely meaninglessly. ah. well, yes, this is from the point of view of politics me. in this case interested in methods, if 10 years is good for 30 years in terms of history. this little one has managed out of the nation. something to do then two conclusions follow from this. the first in this case, we can say that something different can be done from the russian nation in the same or less time, which is actually proved by soviet history, when a new historical community of people was formed quickly enough and the second, and the methods for in order to form a new community, perhaps, after all, let's say so peacefully and

democratic methods are not enough. and when they say that, well, ukrainians can be returned. and i will add from myself to drive into the stall of the former imperial traditions and the former imperial existence. never mind. the russian empire or the soviet union is one and the same in essence. that's it, then it is necessary to pronounce the methods. and methods can be only such. they were in the soviet union in the first half of the 20th century, or as they were in the russian empire in the second half of the 18th century, that's all, that's why they are now ekaterina nikolayevich in my opinion, even the soviet e-e newspapers the view from the side is overgrown. now, if you look from the outside, we talk with foreigners, they will be honest, they don’t see the difference between russians and ukrainians at all. we recently have an editorial staff member. so i went on an unexpected vacation. she was

there the first thing they asked her when you tell me she is from russia and what are you doing with the ukrainians ? you seem to understand the same thing. let's try to give one example now. this is the eternal dance as to whose borscht, sort of, like ukraine considered itself the winner, because unesco said that borscht is part of ukraine's ukrainian world heritage, but here's a second second. mila kunis how are you? you have an actress of american ukrainian origin who speaks russian well. she talked about her culinary habits, a meaningless interview, and then the cutters happened. let's have an incredible meal that my mom cooks russian dishes - it's always a lot of food you can start dumplings and dumplings. then you can cook borscht. this is such a russian beetroot soup, but if you don't like beetroot, you don't have to eat it. russians like smoked fish, fried salted fish , in general, russians. oh, ukrainians, we live in a time when i don’t even know what to call myself anymore. no one would have

cared much about this interview. if the actress had not called borscht a russian dish, touchy ukrainians would. all sorts of streams of hatred were immediately brought down on her, and the fact that cute almost all her conscious life lives in the united states did not stop them. the fact that she and her husband ashton collected millions of dollars to help ukraine, the actress was inundated with comments. in spirit, she knows nothing about ukraine borscht ukrainian soup go eat, uh, russian food. and so on and so forth. mikhail borishchak to you again i'll be back then. it turns out that even for ukrainians who grew up outside of ukraine, we are still the same essence , that is, this is mila kunis, this is a person who was not subjected, but to the propaganda that people were subjected to. you know how embarrassed you are when you watch something. uh, tournament boxing there, and klitschko performs there, in my corner, in what language do i communicate, when the nerves really require some kind of concentration in russian among themselves, so here is the material. what's the difference? in this case, it doesn't

matter. the main thing is that, well, let's say so in russian material. yes, they are in ukrainian somehow, yes, in a special way. this indicates that people think in russian. well, what's the problem? and i'm not the americans you will open your mouth to england. i will do this marmoset and put you in the place of mikhail, i will never see you. i never see you. in such an additional boris was brought to a state, brought so, i’m talking about the fact that people who can learn a language can talk about the fact that they are europeans, there they think russian europeans or ukrainian europeans, they will still be in russian and psychology will still be russian . these are like factory settings that can be spoiled, yes, for a while, but when there is no external pressure, all these settings will return back to the historical reality in which they once in the

history of the formation of a huge number there were moments in our history when the novgorodians felt some desire to build a separate nation out of themselves, the ryazans there, yes the kaimaruses, there, anyone, periodically tried something like that, somehow to live separately from this common world to leave, proceeding from because of some external circumstances , somewhere richer there. yes, someone wanted to lithuania , someone wanted so much more, someone wanted to germany , and so on and so forth, but every time when people returned, uh, to the general russian world, but these basic settings are psychologically behavioral they came back. and here is the general channel, which we call then the question, abstracted from the russian world. does this mean that brazilians who think in portuguese are also in their identity portuguese, but psychologically it is quite possible, well, they are ethnically very different. they are very

different, there is a different composition quietly then, but she doesn’t need a better recipe every time, because if i interrupted in this one on this air every time they tell me that i would not shut up, i would not have the back of my head. let's put it down to boris borisovich well here is boris borisovich, we have such as they would say in french, he is in retard good google. who does not know so. calculate you in what language do you think? and i'm a typical billing. i think it ’s two at once yes, i try to speak in one, you understand, this is the third mistake, like typical russian propaganda, people here think that if a person speaks russian and lives in ukraine, he thinks in russian thoughts, he doesn’t speak in russian, but he thinks in ukrainian, he can be a deeply ukrainian patriot. he may be the first go to the front. he can be the first to run out to the maidan, just as the people from odessa were the first to run out of us. he

can speak russian, he will still be a ukrainian patriot and will hate you, then it turns out that we are again talking about the civil war in part and about nothing and nothing is that these are completely different peoples, that the ukrainians, they say this is our russian language. this is our kievan rus why should we give the russian language to russia, are we going to give them the alphabet soon ? they are already visible. porsche is our contenders. you can have some good anecdotes, beloved president, who pyotr alekseevich poroshenko suggests, he forbade the russian language in every possible way, this first version of the law on language was adopted, and so on, so don’t give away the russian language. you please give me noodles. you noodles on my ears. poroshenko spoke at home. i have no idea. you are better acquainted with him perfectly, while his marvel yes did not bother him. why then did he forbid it, because he understood that the basis of the nation should be, then

what he came to now, by the way, i apologize for the political army. movavir. now it's objecting again. and as for borscht, here the golden mean just went in the form of a joke: tomato soup is cooked and beets, and borscht is only from beetroot. this is a very serious prostitute usually tells the other person. for him. it's much. it turns out better than your radioovich. yes? thank you very much, that's all. today we have one of these on the other side. the serpentarium is wonderful, i have not seen this for a long time, and here is borisovich, by the way, reacting. i say wow loudly, i'm a monkey just united. keep going dumb. boris well actually. i did n't emphasize it myself. and here, and inina she admits, that is, she does not need to be stabbed. she confesses everything herself. that is, she says guys. wait says. you haven't worked with us for 30 years. we say we really were one people. yes, it means, well, we didn’t deal with us. yes, that is, at that time you had your problems on your problems in you. europeans. they brought us money. we took this money and ran with this money, so let's talk about the fact that we are there

er, exactly, i listened to you attentively. remember our agreement, i give you the floor , we talk, i don’t. yes agreed. yes, that's why yanina herself admits and so, firstly, it means that the europeans and americans, miraculously, supported precisely the galician version of ukrainian. yes. that is, this is not the same thing, yes, that is, ukraine and holocaust, impoverished, but always humiliated, always being under the heel of the pole in the austro-hungarians. and romanian, that is, always. yes, that is, never western ukraine here. value was not free. she was always like she always understands her, that is, never, for example, there in the donbass or even in central ukraine when they were carried, and there a gentry, yes, that is, no one fell on their faces to him. yes, today these norms, that is, they began to spread the rest of ukraine there, that is, this has never happened in ukraine. in ukraine , a daring hat, yes, that is, but falling on your knees means bowing, it never happened,

and in the donbass what you never had. that was not the case in central ukraine either only in englishness, the unity lies. 10 years ago, she was the same russian in full, calling herself, that is, ukrainians by name, such suspicions, so i can’t understand this for ukrainians, that is, ukraine, when they say here, when we were there 10 years ago 20 years ago. yes, that is, it was, that is, ukraine russia listen, kind, dear neighbors of the same origin, as if everything is borscht. well, we have dumplings is not a question. yes, that is, you have a burner, we have no problem with vodka. no. yes, today, god, it's borscht. as this is true? we can let muscovites ride borscht, yes, that is, they grew all these things, but the result is simple. yes, that is, when they say americans are patriotic, they say today, listen, today they allocated money for additional education of ukrainians. they allocate money in the same way for the manufacture of shells, for and also for training ukrainians to fight, so the ukrainians for them, don't care. they wanted this consumable consumable, which they sharpened in the right way and still no patriotism. there isn't. this

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divided into two countries that oppose each other literally in everything , then the republic of korea, on the contrary, is conquering the world with the help of its music, which is now very fashionable cinematography, electronics and korean cosmetics, formally north and south korea are still at war. though the morals of the once united people are not fighting, they differ radically you portray. north to the news the best of all let them smelly here's a burial ground for me. charges so that our leader clears the sky over the entire planet mirnaya is another example of a single people divided into two states for decades; the germans after the second world war for more than 40 years on the site of present-day germany, two independent states were formed, one of which belonged to the western bloc, and

another socialist camp after the fall of the berlin wall and in the frg and the gdr, people said we were one people, but in reality. it was more like a takeover and the frg took the gdr to the common territory, the constitution of the frg extended its system of education, currency and military alliances. all of germany turned out to be nato but even years later, the inhabitants of a united germany are still divided into so-called axes and weights, which have different lifestyles and mentality. we live in a country of wonderful slices. you know, native cska is one nation, two states, so quoting heydar aliyev character. here now their current relations, turkey and azerbaijan due to ethnic and linguistic similarities, scientists sometimes call the population of these countries one nation in 1991. turkey became the first country to recognize azerbaijan as an independent state. since then, the countries have also cooperated on economic and military

issues. ankara supports baku in the karabakh conflict in response, azerbaijan also supports turkey's large foreign policy ambitions, including in the conflict with the west. now azerbaijan is turkey's stronghold in the caucasus, a transit hub, guaranteeing the turks access to the caspian sea and central asia, our strength is the strength of azerbaijan , the strength of azerbaijan, our strength, so alexander nikolayevich, is any of these scenarios applicable in our relations with ukraine, maybe it will continue in the state of north and south korea, or is it what - something german er comment on nothing but germany in this case, i do not understand koreans and have never communicated with living koreans, except in vladivostok the problem is that there is no desire. here russia has a desire for everything to absorb it into oneself, as the frg had this desire,

let's say. but, in ukraine, such a desire to join, we do not observe among the majority of the inhabitants of the gdr until the last weeks, probably, the last year of the existence of the gdr, there was no such desire either , but here they are from 505 and the majority. i said alexander mikhailovich, the majority of people have always had transfers, but again, germany has always been the bearer of the federal system. so this is what bismarck actually managed to do in this, and his greatness who managed to do this unite different lands into one state. and if we proceed from what he did and this state, it has always retained federalism, therefore, what is bad in this, as a matter of fact? yes, probably the people who were, you know, with me the socialist party of germany was very unpleasant so-called takeover, but also

the staff of the stasi. it was unpleasant. and then he swallowed up the weak, it turned out that the nation, so normal, the normal natural process, merged into a single, so german example. clearly bogdan anatolyevich just a german example. well, firstly, with regard to the german example, what makes it good is that there has always been goal-setting for unification, and in the constitution of germany since the time of adenaur it was laid down that germany is not germany germany - it's the whole of germany , we have never had such goal-setting. we have only now begun vaguely, it manifests itself. what yes, here. well, once there here is a divided people, and so on, putin’s article is the only spirit of the peoples, and so on, we didn’t have this goal-setting, what you know, we are divided appears. now it is gradually being formed appears as an ideology in general, based on a set of goals and objectives based on value. here, as regards ukraine well, of course, for example, ukraine in the full sense, it is not applicable to either korea or germany why because in ukraine, uh, they are actually trying to create a nation, as i said, first of all, the

communists tried to create it, fuck it is a script, cherbitsky, shelest dziuba, uh, there was a lot of that, there were a lot of communists, nationalists, yes. the problem is what's the problem what is not, we have not created it to the end here and it is generated by this. this civil war that is now going on in ukraine says it, not only there boris borisovich or president putin spoke about this, jacques rolled, french that in ukraine some russians howl with others, they are just second russians. here they are, putting on an embroidered shirt and saying, we are europeans. we are not russian. we don't want to be russian. that's the whole subject of the war by and large . the territory of ukraine itself is like a nation. it was not formed like this, he says formed. what is she, is that yeasty dough, or what, did she take it? somehow it came out from where it came out and was formed from yeast that fly invisible nearby form some kind of state and intellectual elites and the state itself, which actually consists of these elites break this state, destroy it and this whole nation will crumble, but at least more its part of the entire southeast. he is still. no need to tell there. i have relatives in

kharkov. i also have a lot of acquaintances in kharkov and if a whole telegram channel, where do people send russian shops, what come and even if we die in the destruction of this vile creature, this state. that's what they want. yes, a ukrainian nation can be formed on some small piece of land, if it allows . yes, unlike my colleagues, i do not blame anyone, nor literacy. i believe that there is no objectivity here. you just said the absolutely right thing. i started saying it in the past in the interweaving, i repeat once again, the state, as such, a political machine that controls people, the territory of the army and education, in about two generations, can completely change the identity of people, absolutely yes. it is also possible initially for two generations, absolutely everything is rewound to the way it was supposed to be, too. by the way, what is important, north south korea, they are already

different. not only there the state system. they are physiologically different. this is life awareness in south korea for eight years. north 70, as in russia they are different and understand the growth? you're implying that they don't eat enough in north korea and that's why they became and that's why they became a different people, but boris they became a different people in the sense that they are a north korean. once again, you take a northern kawei, put him in seoul, and he really won’t be able to live there, you understand? it’s just that these are different things now about ukraine and so on, in general it amazes me, like literate people are sitting. they have such a logic since they are nearby and speak the same language with us. so we are one people here. can it's here. but then the next step into the next step you literally do not have in this game, i used such an argument. well, wait. let

's agree on relationships, people live who have one language and absolutely do not care, firstly, that it will be a one-nation nation in one generation, and secondly, it certainly does not mean that it should be one state logic wherever they speak russian should be russia all the time, of course. why do boris chechens live here at all and the storm tells us boris borisovich explains that, despite the fact that what these people look like, how we speak, how we have a common history, we are different nations. well, that's how it is in general, just talking about it, that if you see it looks like, yes, then it means it exists. oh lord, there is a main consultation and it seems that some person has done something, which means that another person can break what he did. uh, because uh, everything that is artificially created can be destroyed, and all this garbage that they

built there ideologically, we will safely destroy it quickly enough, we will return people to normal keyword normal state. and everyone will remember the basic factory settings , i completely disagree. that's because once again this is a monstrous experiment. you forgot about one people, the serbian people, about the serbs and croats - this is one people with one language. but there vera is different , orthodox catholics, and by the way, ukrainianism was formed initially, starting with the union of brest on the basis of catholicism and unianism. it was at the root , not geopolitics and geography. and by the way, ending with the last time when the little russians themselves wanted to reunite with great russia. after that, we fought with great russia for a second for 30 years, until everything ended for 30 years. and here today, why do we need to stop now, probably already. in general, today we have the name of crying and look, here is the next part of our part. we will no longer be in ukraine. this name will acquire

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person has come to us, has done some action , has done it, maybe today, or maybe 20 years ago, society will find out about this deed and begin this person. cancel. well, that means change is kicked out of work, does not call to act in new productions, and magazines usually stop writing about him, usually by famous people, it all works. and in general, well, culture, cancellations, an understandable phenomenon. now a phenomenon has appeared that is not excellent, what is it? here in the story in which we give you we'll show you now. everything seems to start as usual. there is some event to which society reacts, to which society reacts extremely negatively, but at some point, the wheel of cancellation. for some reason, it does not go further and the story goes to no, let's see a couple of examples with the fashion world. the scandal around balenciaga broke out a couple of weeks ago when the fashion house released a provocative advertising campaign on posters of children posing with handbags stylized as teddy

bears in bdsm costumes, lace leather thongs sword belts with spikes and metal chains. the price of each such handbag is several thousand dollars. here is a major international retailer that promotes child porn in ads and no one notices this no boycott no tell the new york times editorial indignation. we jumped to conclusions. i don't think. it's exactly what it seems, right in front of your nose and no one said. not a word, not even to fading social media users, the balenciaga ad sparked a culture shock in the tiktok and twitter trend. it turned out to be a hashtag cancell valenciaga, that is, cancel balletnsiago. there were also those who began to destroy the brand's things on camera, but there was no mass character in russia. despite the hype, it is already clear that there will be no total boycott, and the scandal itself is already subsiding to dismiss the leaders. brenda, no one is in balentiague. they just apologized, shifting all the

blame for the photo shoot to the producers and photographers, and for greater credibility, they rolled a lawsuit for $ 25 million , while the bonuses from pr are obvious about balenciaga, the entire world press rattled the number of mentions. over the last a month and a half a lot of noise around valenting. they severed their relationship with fabric west because of his supposedly anti-semitic comments. they have high moral principles, and the sexualization of four-year-old girls is excellent. no problem. the main thing is that a lot of bags are sold scandal, as another fashion house used the sales engine the other day. dior there quite consciously went on a provocation by launching an advertising campaign in the russian style, where conditional natasha rostovs walk among the birch trees in the russophobic west , as expected, a surge of discussion in social networks and accusation. diora's support for russia in a friendly or humanistic step is not believed at all. but the fact that russia has been heard all year and this is such a provocative marketing ploy is quite believable

that with the abolition of the first example, with the abolition of the balentyaga, the society somehow got indignant, grumbled, but no action was taken. why? well, because today . uh, let's say the resource of valenciagi is higher than uh, let's say the moral criteria of society. explain well it means it's not enough once uh to say something about pedophilia, to close all the entire marketing of many years yes, to be imposed by promoted, including by our bloggers and so on, you understand russophobia. we have huge russophobia here, we have, uh, potential. then why didn’t something cancel russophobia ’s huge potential, it was necessary to cancel the shit of the damn mother. well, because there or above politics in any case, that is, it means that for them the culture of cancellation is not terrible. they understand that they would they know everything that they have some kind of immunity against this, which creates immunity against the culture of withdrawal. i

'm trying this here is the popularity of kevin spacey and the old weinstein. remember old weinstein, yes, the hollywood producer, they had both popularity and media resources, but they were canceled by no one, no one works with him anymore. well, it already works . more popular than anyone knows where the one who einstein is, those who canceled him knew perfectly well who weinstein was, all of hollywood knew perfectly well who weinstein was with him it worked in full here to fly berries. i honestly i'll tell you when it all came together. i thought everything, well, the guys got where the sneakers were, they got there, sometimes they don’t. and what should be they apologized for all this said that we had nothing to do with it, it's good here. they are, so to speak, exactly something they are very popular a little bit of money. in any case, why now what is it? no, they didn't lose even money, which means it didn't work. it didn't work. cancel. no. look, no, it's not coming out. here's what. uh, as carlson said, the editorial of the times does not come out,

where the entire editorial office from the editorial office writes people reading throw out the valentiago. she crossed the line. well, firstly, a lot of examples were culture. cancellation, including russian. there they tried to cancel the works there, the performances there, e performer. nothing, but finally, no one canceled anything. so this is the cancellation process. it should not necessarily end up with the fact that everything is put an end to. ah, this is balenciaga, as if she focuses on an audience that will buy goods from her. we don't even know if the sales didn't decrease, they asked in anyway, they cherish the culture. cancel. maybe , where there are repositioning reputations, i will take the opportunity of backpacks and go to buy, while others did not go to buy. i don't know i can't conclude. okay, so the answers. i still haven't received victor rzhevchik yet. why didn't it

work? so there is such a thing as i am such a nuclear support base of the electorate, and how large the support base of a particular brand or person of the character depends on how successful or successful it will be, and the attempt here to cancel this or that person. look at einstein whom you mentioned pengenstein. why he lost in this fight completely lost, firstly, because he went under criminal articles. he's in jail right now, you're in jail for a long time. you, as it were, like everything you are from me, this is the first, and the second, weinstein did not directly communicate with the american people. it was the producer. the actors knew him, the directors knew him, but among the american people, what some kind of popularity , and now all lovers knew the value, as for canceled don't think, as far as kevin spacey is concerned, some time has passed and already yes, not at the level when he was filming in house of cards or before. well, already in two projects literally in the last few months already in two projects, and

he will get out this and not collecting in uh. well, he is trying to rehabilitate himself, like her, and this is already gradually beginning to receive, as for russian culture, this is not the first time russia has been trying such cultural isolation in the twenties and thirties. they also tried to cancel russia, never worked out. why because russian culture now and russian classics and russian music is already part of the world cultural canon of the world, therefore dostoevsky tolstoy chekhov tchaikovsky musorsky. they will be part of the world and culture. regardless of any attempts to cancel them by the united states, europeans, or anyone else , vladimirovich a, maybe it didn’t work here. cancellation with balencia, because the consumer, those who buy these bags and so on, they don't really care about them. all this scandal is right, they don't care the public will continue to buy in exactly the same way. i absolutely agree with this thesis here. and i can even explain why for the liad, idiot, and a number of

fashion houses of chanel brands, all the rest. these are not hoaxes. these are very expensive brands that very few people can afford, especially, for example, in the russian federation, let me remind you of such a scandal. we had in april when fashion houses. leaving russia chanel announced that they would not sell anything to russians at all victoria bonya cut chanel's bag in front of his audience from annihilated it, but in september with the same bag again it turned out to be the same right with the same bag. she was whole. here, oddly enough. this is how it turned out, because the bag costs more than 400,000 rubles. but it's a pity for such a bag. it's like burning down a porsche because ferdinand porsche was there to collaborate with nazi germany. well, understand the audience that buys balenciaga and dior, they are with a high audience belfry. yes, but that audience is not much. yes, she can be rich and

has a certain resource. but then where mass feeling. people see everything here, it's fucked up all these videos, just they are in mass social networks and people must somehow react to demand something, when you, as a rich person and consume this very police. forgive the lord not personally will be in decent. forgive the tautology of society with this balentyaga to appear. and here psychology plays a role, because people, instead of fighting with balenga, would be happy to try it on. they also want to be in this small club of those people who really in fact, they dream of such a handbag bear of course, because it is a balenciaga. this is dior, this is chanel and in this to go out to the people. it's cool to fight them, it's pointless in this sense, pardon the tautology, then it turns out that the cancellation culture here acts as a kind of company. this is such a great marketing ploy to cross this red line a little, but not

all of their ballerinas. and so, somehow , they became so. look saw more people great pr. and they told you earned money bingo you are great. have you ever noticed that some branded items are no different from non- branded items, except for one balenciaga or dior is written in large letters on the back . i don't buy either, so i can't get peer reviews around here, not so elite a long time ago, because anywhere. wherever you go, they will all be not elite to put it mildly, and like, uh, a well-known swedish brand store. and everyone has it, well, in almost any major european city, sometimes not one is such a very strange strange elitism, and secondly, uh, there is a second aspect hmm it seems to me that the sculptures are canceled, but with all these tantrums from the west, people are a little tired their attention is the cutting of handbags, because 3.000 euros for a handbag is quite

substantial money. i would say, but people are just a little tired. i think even a little from these endless screams. because now in order to attract attention. ah, well, the layman. let's call a spade a spade to any process phenomenon, i don't know in advertising it doesn't matter what, but people start screaming. and here are the people for the most part. they stopped responding to it at some point it should have happened when they canceled kevin spacey and scream gets up absolutely scream was on the whole world, and now quietly already johnny depp didn't work. and now there is another scandal, it seems, as it is brewing, it seems, someone there admitted to his, let's say, deviant next degree, uh, sexual overlays and everything drums. and let's then, so that there is no drum, especially since not everyone will really buy a bag for themselves. we will move on to our reality series bridges, already scandalous here are the

smiles, and the series is a monastery. we know, not only mrs. ivleeva, who in this series undresses not only the director of the milkmen who we left for the usa and generally condemns. uh, special military operation. i didn't hear about this series until, well, the ministry of culture remembered it and said that this series is not will receive a rental license. well, there the roc began to comment. here, then i looked after, let's talk about the monastery in a different way. in online cinemas, a series about a moscow party girl who flees from persecution in a male and then a convent has become an absolute leader. the main character is played by blogger anastasia ivleeva as a priest who helps her philip yankovsky. a record quarter of a million people viewed the monastery. overtaken even the world-famous western tv series

the house of the dragon. and now, a week after the premiere, the ministry of culture suddenly refused the monastery a rental certificate. it is needed to be shown at festivals and on the big screen, they thought that the series could offend the feeling that the believers of the roc itself react so harshly in places that they read the script. sorry, but we believe that this is a distorted image. here is our wording. we did not talk about insulting the feelings of believers, we are talking about what and here are the materials we have read and studied. they create a distorted image of the church. yes, and we would not like to support this series without a rental certificate from online cinemas to remove. no more, the reaction of the ministry of culture caused even more excitement. the monastery, rushed to watch even those who did not intend to do this, even the clergy admit that the scandal became the best advertisement for the series. the series was filmed not for believers, but for the secular public; for her, orthodoxy is exotic. of the pluses, readers noted the positive images of the clergy in the series and the discussion

superstition. maybe well secular people will see adequate people. in the church, life is not only for fanatics with a medieval way of life. it seems to me the prohibition of the ministry of culture. as a result, mikhail borisovich aroused even greater interest in this series, look , such a mini happened to this series, cancellation, that is, the ministry of culture said, ah-yay, the russian orthodox church said hmm, all this is not very good. at the same time people. instead of somehow canceling this series and going either for state power or the church and not watch. they, on the contrary, ran to look. how is it. yes, it happened. well, it turns out that if it is a lowered culture, a cancellation, it does not work from above. well, firstly, no one canceled this series, when from uh, actually you can’t watch it anywhere, yes, and secondly, as far as the russian orthodox church is concerned, then, in my opinion, both

kipshidze and other legoids . they explained that they only looked at the script of the film itself, the film itself, no one showed them. yes, therefore, they proceed from what is written in the script, what we see in the first few episodes. here, well, because i was asked to look. yes, i looked. yes, well, as for me, this is it. well, how do you say this. here's an amateur look. eh, negative, of course. e people who do not understand the church, were at best in the museum. by the way , the film was filmed in a museum. yes, that is, they filmed very often. for example, a scene, confessions, yes, yes, all the same to them. this is graphic, but for some reason there is some kind of tent in the field, for some reason someone is running around, constantly changing from the antenna. well, if you are filming as something that you say, now tell about life in the

church. they talked about it from the beginning. wait, can i say this, and then you somehow show how it actually exists there, yes, then the image, to be honest, of the abbess, well, it’s really absolutely negative, because. you and i watched, and others. maybe they didn't look. it's not the best. my main question is for you. what is the main you as a religious person. well, as you have these very ones. look i wouldn't get those same feelings a believer for sure. here you have looked. this somewhere offended, warped, upset. you felt some excitement. well, let's say i did n't like it, or it offended me in terms of my aesthetic feelings. i don't understand why you need it next to the church. you show your mouth, yes, or some strange impressions of yours that do not correspond to what is in reality in monasteries , you understand what a problem monasticism is,

life is not of this world and for any christian it is, well, how can i tell you, this is what something related, uh with a very maternal attitude. that is, if monasticism is criticized for a christian. it 's like criticizing your mother. that is, this is for the cause you were not offended, but not in order to cancel the culture of aesthetic terms, i do not like this film. he doesn't describe what he's talking about, it's not a drama in the first place. anton watched cultural impressions exclusively, because initially yes, exclusively, because he saw the news that i looked at miles in exactly the same way. first two episodes first. now the third one is out. i am i can’t say what the seventh eighth will be there or how many episodes there are and how they all ended, but from the episodes that i saw there is nothing wrong with the point of view. there, insulting the feelings of a believer , moreover, the representative of the russian orthodox church clearly said that

they did not demand any ban. x sank they said, yes, distorted, but this is their right , moreover, they supported the right of creative people so far , since he can also look. wait. just an important point for which i can not pass by. you said that when the state and the church opposed this show. this prompted you to go. look probably, respectively, one proposal to cancel this series. well, soft, but still, the proposal prompted you, as a spectator , to run there. this means that you do not accept this cancellation at all, so the first thing. and here is the important clarification. i don't perceive. it 's like a ban or something from the state. this is uh, unfortunately, this is an excess of a particular official. and i would like to deal with this official somehow. at least he talked, because that that ford those formulations which there publicly sounded, but it is a floor. tryndets and a complete distortion of russian legislation in general. and in general, common loiki. and what you say, yes, it prompted. yes indeed. why prompted? because this ban looked extremely strange, this film is generally under the first three series. it's not

about the monastery, it's not about the church. it's about the struggle with inner demons. how will they manage to show it further, there is always there, i watched two episodes, i don’t impose acquaintances who watched, this decent people and many of them are unbelievers, on the contrary, their interest in the church has awakened and maybe i’ll say it again, i don’t know what will happen to the next series, but it may turn out that this film will become just that bridge for people for whom the church is very far away so that they come to the church and see that the church is really not only these images, but the tents that are beautiful to take there. so this, on the contrary, is a plus for the church, in fact. it's a plus of the church, what's wrong that he professes next to na na there is a tent on the lawn and says absolutely the right things; he fights with stamps. when he has parishioners there. eh, they say something that is completely stupid. he, again , do not go into the details of the series, because not everyone watched valery, it turns out they didn’t watch, but it turns out to be excellent, in fact, a pr company

for the series and possibly for the russian orthodox church too, because there was some slight under-cancellation, as a result which drew attention to the series and drew attention to what is shown in this series, and there nevertheless, the monastic life is described, after all, but nevertheless it is described that it is an under- abolition. this is the perfect publicity stunt. yes, of course, you are an ideal pr, because there are, roughly speaking, two types of society, yes, here we are living in a market economy in a market economy there is a scandal in a planned economy there is a deficit. if you want to sell a product in a planned economy. just create a queue, everyone will stand up not because it is a good product, because it is the only one, but in the market you need to create a scandal at each site and then people will be drawn. in this case, it happened. we had a risk of a possible shortage of the series that prompted people to watch it, that is, we have an intermediate model. yes, that's how to say it, and this new mixed form is probably the most

effective. run after it, because it can end like everyone rushed into july at the beginning. yes , i did not give the queue, i put the kiev glass a little further away so that the guests do not break it. that's why we are today and, therefore, still in the case of the series the monastery. we are still in the market economy, but to compare. by the way, this is not correct with kevin spacey or weinstein, because they did not make advertising. now, if they had come out looking for, you know, 20 years ago. i pinned someone in the corner there, it was an advertisement. yes, but they didn't advertise. and what happened to them and what else is happening to us, look, different things are the culture of cancellation, and there is the ministry of cancellation. here we are trying to make the ministry in the abolition of people professional cancelers who will sit and cancel. and so i'm carlson for example, who criticizes all this, he is not a minister . he does not have any powers. and we are trying to find

professional cancelers who will sit in some place and professionally cancel everyone. and in this sense, i'm just for culture, all in culture. cancellation involves the whole society. no. this is andrey andrey, in fact, when we talk about the tv series the monastery, that is, as already mentioned, deep down, in particular , to disassemble the product itself. but it's no matter the passage of the good we're not talking about culture cancel because you're not here, because it 's not canceled here. we see one solution, but the product is available and there is no public mass judgment. what is a culture of mass judgment exchange? no, on the contrary, there was a massive interest. you see, the characteristic growth we are using here is the cancel culture that has reappeared, although it is a phenomenon. it did n't show up today. let's see, well, as a matter of fact. turkish parsnip is essentially its same classic cancellation culture when it was simply removed, german or definitely, in general, all the first moscow trials, by the way, definitely. is it the same

cancellation culture as here? remember the same hollywood during the witch hunt, when the same ronald reagan and old disney simply destroyed, so to speak, expelled its pro-communist figures, whom they considered to be, these people were left without a profession, what is this like non-culture? cancellation is something, it's just a new term, but why where and when does it work, when society is connected to society using the tools of uaz media and in first of all, the instruments of the state against whom and how the culture of abolition works in the west, when the media is turned on to the full mass and this is supported by the authorities. you see, they start on the knee in full mass. no let's do it. no, i agree rather, yes it was. i would have gone without the support of the democratic party. that's when this resource is launched, why, let's say they didn't put more pressure on the balsing, because balenciaga as a whole has not gone beyond the current representatives. yes, it's tough, but considering where the overton windows are shifting, but what is it? there? these are also already unsophisticated questions about the age at which sex is acceptable. and in general, it’s already kind of on the verge of not being good, but there wasn’t something like balenciaga as a powerful resource, they quite admit that they solved issues

somewhere at the top and this tool was remembered against them, the united states but the fabrics and vesta that are there he said that hitler did not kill 7 million jews, that he generally likes hitler, that obama is not the first black, but the first jewish president is another jewish president. all in all he said to the fullest, he will be canceled or there will also be a key, you understand? there are different points here, of course, it can be used as an institution of provocation. that is, as you know, compromise, see these rights. see these radicals. look, he spoke in favor of trump. look who he is. in fact, if it is not removed at the same time, it means that there is some interest for it, which means, what kind of cancellation is there? yes , the fact is that water is just an illustration of what i said, to whom, uh, horse, said, among other things, in interview notorious, and copper. to such a person alex jones, the leader of the infoforce, yes johnson he is under very serious pressure, they tried to cancel him, he stated why? i so very briefly in the fifteenth year there was an incident, there was a

mentally ill person in the state. connectic. here he killed dozens of children at school and alex jones spoke repeatedly over and over again that none of this happened, and the government itself did it all. uh, to restrict gun ownership. it was grand scandal. jones was tried civilly charged from me. yes, but his support base is those people who are ready to listen to him. there are so many of them, like west's whining. kanye west is, in fact, made on purpose as a provocateur. he provokes not because he was told to do it. this is the cia rodschild, or the salt he does, because he believes that it is beneficial to him, the more. he says these same things , rabble crazy insulting to many. the longer. she remains on the media agenda. we talk about him, well, in america about him they say in europe they say and buy his products, you know? that is, it is this and jones also enjoys the same effect. he says offensive things are provocative and it only raises in among their audience. it only elevates

them. uh, hmm popularity, well, among a wide audience. no now it is necessary to interrupt, and after advertising. we'll give more examples, when we have a cancellation culture that only encourages the viewer to go and see. well, we found one of our stars, with which the cancellation culture, but in my opinion, in our look, rehab is still working, who is it after a pause and find out. question why so hard to wet ordinary business, what do you know about a gang? well, what the question is all about, that's all, damn it, you are now telling us everything about your fighters. while i'm kind, well, i have one idea about this. only you won't like it. let's let go apologize pay

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everything becomes clear. we continue, we promise you more examples when the public interest is generated by this, here, a sudden censure, moreover, not just a public interest, but some things, for example, about this book summer in a pioneer tie, which was accused of propaganda. uh, lgbt i only found out when this censure came up. well let's do more example. the novel about same-sex love between a pioneer and a counselor became the very one from which the struggle for a law on the complete ban on lgbt propaganda of public and political activists outraged the plot of the book, which destroys traditional values. even the age limit of 18+ was not enough for them. we forbid people plus 18 to choose their orientation, so who are you

? content, despite public condemnation. the interest of young people in this book. only grew initially more than a year ago, it was released only 12.000 in circulation. and with the increased interest due to the controversy, it was necessary to reprint this august, according to the book, the circulation of the book. he already counted 250,000 books. then the sequel was launched. what the swallow is silent about, that is , it was the fighters against it that made this book popular. what it is? i'll tell you, this violation of the constitution of the russian federation is simply stupidly brazen. not only that, it's a book. it's not just published. she popularized the scandal played into the hands of the gogol center and the highly controversial productions became

more popular. after 2020, the chief director of the theater, kirill serebrennikov , was sentenced to 3 years for fraud in the so -called case of the seventh studio, theater critics. it was admitted to scold performances that were not entirely clear, it was somehow already uncomfortable. well, how, how can i scold now like that? well, but if none of this happened, it still said, this is a good performance, beautiful stylish with a very high, as if the culture of the theater there were scenes where i didn’t read anything at all, i don’t understand shit. i feel good, i’m beautiful even an earlier example, like in 2017 the film by alexey the teacher matilda about the relationship between emperor nicholas ii and the ballerina, matildysheva, according to the harsh criticism of the orthodox church. even before its release, they tried in every possible way to ban it and as a result only contributed to its popularity. the film collected about 230 million rubles in the first weekend of rental. and became the second list of leaders who lost to disney

the last hero. you can not do it this way. why is this public ban here is this indignation. it causes exactly the opposite effect. well , first of all, the reputation forbids it on principle. if mikhalkov says it's bad. we need to watch each, most likely well. wait, we have a significant number of people who trust m. nikita sergeevich to cinema, you can treat his political position, views and so on in different ways, but when nikita sergeevich talks about cinema people listen to me cinema, and in mikhalkov's place he can put anyone he had him, for example, any surname, and in general, in principle, for the majority of a significant part of the thinking population of russia, if the state forbids something, then, probably, the good reputation of the state is something. or, at the very least, interesting. i state. yes, you can argue with him. you can order something wrong, but this is a fact, moreover, this is not a state. it was a prohibition to ask for a perception, which means

that society or part of society, and the state and the state no one perceives the quality of the state, as someone faceless official. there is people who position themselves as defenders of the state or there, well, as you like, patriots of any term at now now, respectively, everything that they voice and broadcast at the level of instinct by their opponents. almost everything, yes, is perceived as a kind of state position. if you look at the reaction, i do not claim that this is the case in 99% of cases , what is attributed to the evil will of the ministry of culture to the ministry of culture. as a check, i have nothing to do with working in the cultural system ; it has absolutely nothing to do with my work. i am the director federal museum. i have never received a call from the ministry of culture and have not been told that this exhibition should be removed from this topic. better not to lift. everyone was waiting, that there was a draft of the last address, dedicated to the signs on the houses where the repressed lived, and all medinsky was a minister.

he found, came to the exhibition, you don’t understand anything, but the question here is that the reputation is such that everyone is waiting for this. that is, wait, you want to say that, for example, here or yuryevna in our program regularly offers to remove something not to show, because it everything is not very good, if ilyin yuryevna now says. something needs to be banned, you look at it, but to be honest, no, because he nods nods, as if stung to me, in principle, there is little recommendation, an anti-recommendation or in order for me to start looking at something, i should be personally interested , and the series is the monastery, which you discussed yourself. i looked at the poster, it didn't work at all. excuse me e. this is absolutely anti artistic thing. it's like it's completely filmed. well, this poster is not visually attracted, so i didn’t even watch the series, and, in fact, i don’t give a damn that there is always someone talking about him, let’s do it, then we’ll give it, because i actually mentioned it. wait anton anton evaluation of the work.

you didn’t look at the apostasy from experience that a good work has no bad islands. and don't get hung up now antonchik, don't get hung up. now please don't get hung up. here, look, you are sitting here. something like that, but the people sitting there say, so good boots are a must. well, yes, i urge from the point of view of national security, a presidential decree was recently issued, where everything is written that should be carried out in culture from the point of view of national security. here. i think the effect of under-drinking antibiotics, you understand, yes, what is it? if you do not drink the entire course, then you will get sick even more. no, no, she's just there, relatively speaking, after 3 days you felt better. and you said they don't need everything, and the effect of pupilation increases several times - this is such a law biology, so it’s the same here, if you didn’t imprison someone relatively speaking, yes, these are not

antibiotics, but drugs, you understand that this is something, naturally, we have this population that is growing several times there is a problem that you just don't always listen to you. i correctly listened to you always would not have caused such a reaction of the problem. yes, obviously deeper. the church obviously did not comment on the roc , just a phenomenon that can be seen from such angles. sorry, plays at least some monastic attire. it's already dumb. well, from my point of view, in terms of loyalty, not yet in monastic attire. she's just dressed the way you can, let's, we'll postpone the convent, so that because people don't just watch, well, if the ministry of culture, then banned, so it couldn't be watched at all online cinemas, then it would be a different story, you know, you can't watch it, that's all. and how it's supposed to be. oh my god, the online cinema is already superbly controlled. i was always not in-in when the state duma was discussing this

draft law on the ban on lgbt lgbt theaters were sitting there. in the sense? i understand your hint online cinema to get ready. yes, yes, they vote and take under the visor, fine. everything can be done antonovich, let's get back to this thesis that if not the state, but people who speak, defending the state, propose to ban, yes, then for a certain part of society. perhaps a large one, perhaps not very much, this is such a signal, but we need to take a closer look here. i absolutely agree with this society. we have a heterogeneous there are different camps. you can enlarge them there, you can reduce them, but really, when we put opposing ideological camps among ourselves, then those who, for example, do not like mikhalkov, for him, for them, everything that mikhalkov says is a red rag. and by the way, the most interesting thing is that now it was clear in the light of the fact that the ministry of culture does not suit him, which means liberal circles, because he strongly prohibits, and there ultrapatriotic

methods prohibit this, as you would like advise min-cult, but gold. no no no, i just heard one. anchor the only thing is that the story with the book is just not a ban from above. i just know this story right sawa the beginning of this red classic cancellation culture when it all started from telegrams and social networks. these were ordinary people, simple activists who did not like it, who came, who found agents at the top, and through them they always checked the law and it works. you see, we do not connect vitaly milonov and all kinds. uh, comrades like them. i didn't always know this story. let's do a mental experiment. well , that's really how it works. but if an experiment, for example, yes, we would, of course, of course, forgiveness, of course, of course it would begin in russia and even with my caps would increase circulation, but i want to note that the beginning of this, strictly speaking, culture, abolition . it

's why you said he failed. no, she didn't fail federal law. and now nothing is for sale. antonovich, you understand, this is not it was not culture that banned the book, it was the law that we will have in the near future that will ban the book . which is more after that, we did more about this whole story, but that's not all. i can’t. i understand, i’ll see if they bought it. may i take a look at this. that's how through gender, yes, grown men are gathered, usually bearded. with respect, i treat the beard read the book. mikhalkov read it, by the way, there was a petition that he i read the whole book in my own voice, because it is amazing and the audience of this book was banned. and who is the audience for this book, overwhelming it is young women. and now the men gathered and read, they say, no. we don't like it, friends. this is not

written for you. this is written by young women, so they gave it away. this is a pioneer couple. no, plus once again the young women who read do not have their own agents in order to give the men peace of mind. i don’t like them to forbid it to everyone, when we found out in the editorial office who had children of the secondary school older school age know about this book, it was not girls. they were just selling cigarettes to teenagers. also sometimes the ninth grade can be sold from them, the parents found out, this is not young women once again a question of sale, that it should not be sold to people below 18, under 18 in continuation of the thought. look, there is such a delusion that there are people. who is far from

all this dirt that the media imposes on him, there are still some evil people there, and, uh, and this people are almost forcibly pushed into it all. i just here are a few examples, firstly, the russian federation you can yell at me, but this fact consistently gives traffic to the pornohub. that's right every year russia is one of the countries leaders in the most popular type of porn that is watched by citizens of the russian federation, this is officially your people of blood. this is our people. if it's true they won't admit it. i have a bunch of very different friends, for example, one of my friends works at a factory. here is a guy who does such things, but regularly goes to

bdsm parties. and this is also your and our people understand the series was like that, understand what you think of people as erring sheep, who are you looking at me? just look at mikhail well done, not yet a fact, i will answer. and another curious fact, the most perverted people i've ever met, your math is interesting, let me hear. come on indoor common. here is the more closed the country or culture was. here they come here. now it's scary, but in order for this idea of ​​​​a total ban to triumph on the entire planet earth, and then there will probably be nowhere to really breathe, except in ping- oh, i don’t know

penguins in antarctica all then because of what he says from what vladimir viktorovich says, it turns out, maybe we are wrong, that morally- the ethical history of the abolition sculpture does not work for us, then history remains. what is called on the political line. and then he promised to bring you a star with which this is a story with an excellent theory that worked this alla borisovna pugacheva folk love for a woman who sings only in israel or pugacheva went almost to no after alla borisovna criticized the special operation in ukraine, fled russia and received israeli citizenship. you are listening to pugachev galkin makarevich, no, we are talking traitors. i believe that they should generally be deprived of all titles and everything, and let them live in israel in my opinion. this is a betrayal, when there is such a situation, when the whole world is ganging up on pineapple and screaming back with their soldiers that they are traitors, this is even worse than

the change. i saw that these are people of show business quite unpretentious and everything that happened to you does not surprise me. today it’s like this tomorrow it’s impossible to talk badly about russia they will earn money here, as an artist on a phenomenal and one of the first people in russia, and as a patriot she is nobody herself pugacheva openly insults russians in social networks, calling part of her audience slaves and slaves. what a blessing that people hate me, whom i always could not stand, if they liked me, it would mean that i sang and lived in vain. let the teeth lie were slaves became slaves andrey nikolaevich here is a block alla borisovna pugacheva is a block. well, let's agree for very different generations, nevertheless. to work with her, that i think something of you, but alla boris well, i will not dispute, as a star, the seventies eighties,

even the beginning of the nineties, but there is not one important point here. you see, relatively speaking, the little big group that left for the usa was popular here. now it has collapsed, it has collapsed, but this is the second question. i am not discussing this now. i'm talking about another pugachev just a public field. she is large amount of time. well, as a singer, she kept on a prop, because there were a lot of connections, because you took her somewhere. at the same time, she did not give any kind of popularity to the content, we were constantly told, the great singer primadonna is such a leonidovich brezhnev pops, which are now mahal the support was removed. and it turned out that there was nothing left. in this, again, i will introduce your harmonious thought from my television view. almost everyone knows that at a certain point the mention of alla borisovna some scandal or something close to it. this has always increased the interest of the audience to people, she was extremely interesting. i don't know love is not love, but it was good to watch nonetheless. cancellation worked with her, it turns out it works for us.

cancellation for real, but only along such a political line. nikolaevich, firstly, you understand a very important point here, but for the time being, when alla borisovna was in the eighties, someone was rude in the hotel, this was not visible. it was just what she was now saying. it's quite other. you know, in fact, people really don't like it when they emote us in the face. she wasn't rude, she actually was. to do something that a russian person will never forgive anyone themselves of course, i despise the fatherland from head to toe, but it annoys me when this feeling is divided into a foreigner, one little-known russian poet wrote. she sided with our enemies did it publicly. and in this case. i'm talking about enemies, but, that is, about people who blame russia for what is happening and for what the russian government is doing for all russians russian russian new jews. i mean borisovna took the side of these people when she

declared that russia is populated by slaves, just as we are slaves. yes, we are slaves, we are slaves, that is, in fact, she spat in the face of the whole country. and after that she can be a great singer. she can have great merits to anyone such a russian person will never forgive. so now let's stop and try the final part to understand when we have this notorious culture pause. nskoy region asked. stranger women to me call uzbekistan and they said that i have a child, i need to give up this child. what is the father of a fifteen-year-old teenager from uzbekistan, i didn’t know about it before, how the child ended up being raised in a family that, according to his documents, alien lives with us from the first day and my brother died in the fifteenth year, did not have time to write down lyudmila left and left the child, but we were very

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called necessary so that the interests, that is, the view of society and the state on the same subject, coincide. here is such a spectacular viktor rzhavchik. well , let's give an example of the first most effective. sorry. sorry for the cynicism. this is how the florensky man destroys the state with the handsome lion pavel, then for 40-50 years, they don’t hear anything. the most effective second russian people are ready to forgive a lot, but not an insult to their loyal loyal audience of listeners this mistake, which was made by borisona pugacheva antonovich, in the first, second and third cases, and compote. and if it’s seriously amazing, yes, it’s amazing in texture, but how yes, it means that there must be something that hurts, public nerves, the second, the second factor - it should be an asset and the third factor should be something that amplifies the signal , that is, having in the connection of copper to elizabeth in case a person offends offends. and the russian people, no matter who the nationality is mikhail borisovich, i think

that the first is russophobia, the second is a state betrayal, and the effectiveness of the ban depends on the fact that the deed should be more expensive, and after that the deed, but what do you want to profit from this scandal, i repeat my thought culture, the abolition works then, when the ministry of repeal is interested in it. thank you , the cancellation culture works when there is an approved resolution for it or they take it, like the pss boldly and you can’t add anything when a person feels that it’s personally in his soul spat. that's when perhaps yes, well , there are so many options in the version, so we'll do it. that's what we have in our telegram channel here somewhere, a qr-code should now appear so that you can go into it, arrange a poll, where will we ask a question of some kind? well, what or who in russia should be noted? you can be there be in some answer options for which you have to vote your options. you can write in the comments. we will

look at them later, maybe somehow even the future began revolutionary work and use it, and this was the meeting place, which cannot be changed on weekdays, monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday already with two presenters on ntv anecdote. hello how are you