uh-huh, but the source is hydrocarbons. well, at the institute itself, perhaps, some developments are being carried out. but still, this is a research university with a large amount of, uh, research activities, but somewhere a little less than a billion rubles. in a year, that is actually a large research university. the only thing is there is one problem. eh, we have all the science. it is practice oriented on one side. this is good for attracting students, for teachers, which means that they are doing the real thing, eh, but she wears nature of scientific e, scientific service maintenance. this is not a fundamental science, as such, because why and these are all scientific contracts, well, quite short-term. that is, basically. this is a one year contract. e fundamental science. seriously, that's not how it's done. this is a team that is three five. 7 8 10 years must work very

deep. and this hmm actually, these studies should be constantly supported. and not here it is today there is an agreement. tomorrow there are no problems. this is problem. yes short term contracts, so we need to replace industrially quickly. here are the specific details of the specific equipment. this is today. they don't. the tasks of tomorrow's task of tomorrow must be set. and this is exactly what universities should do this creature, and we launched an internal project 2 years ago. e, support for coffee research and fundamental science from within their funds e, 100 million rubles. in year. this is precisely so that young people try to formulate something so non-linear and non-standard. do you have any first distributions, which, however, this year. as a matter of fact, well, yes, very good, generally speaking, ideas are green fuel, for example. adding kerosene, that is,

all sorts of such ideas are good enough uh-huh what do you say about the topic that everyone, uh, has been actively discussing lately this introduction. uh, ceiling on russian oil. eh, you are a person immersed in mathematics, you must follow the relevant news. well, uh, of course, our partners in the west have a good idea, in quotation marks. yes, so that means they had everything in quotation marks, yes, a we actually got less money from the west. e very e competently built that in fact all commodities are e, the buyer's market, that is, in fact, the price means, if not directly, then indirectly , the buyer determines, that is, these are all e. well, if it didn’t work out on the forehead, then they would have been invented. these are all exchanges, futures forwards,

well, differently given from 95 to ninety-nine percent of the oil that is sold on the stock exchange for paper. that is, it is e unreal product, so the price e to a certain extent is always last years. e. not the last one says decades already, er, controlled by er, the buyer. here, in fact, the whole crisis of the world economic now, it is based on this, that the countries that produce raw materials and actual goods are mass-produced. yes, and stock exchanges, including them, in general, do not like it very much. here is the current situation, to put it mildly, yes, there is nothing they can do about it. here, in fact, a certain redistribution of the world is obtained. and this also applies to, er, bergevoy, in general, trade and all here is the logistics president said we will not sell to those countries. uh, hydrocarbons to be installed. uh, these marginal

prices are the ceiling, so it will turn out that we will sell not to these countries, but to other countries. yes, and they say that the prospects have a lot of experience, the redistribution of the market, but at the same time everyone will grow. uh, logistics uh, prices, yes the route is frankly longer, because the shortest route, it is clear from us hydrocarbons europe is natural, yes, and oil and gas, if we sell to china or e to india, then, respectively, this is transportation. just more expensive plus increases the price of insurance. e, there and so on and so forth, so e we will lose something, yes, but they will also lose, yes, and in the end, hmm, in the end, it means that we will have to negotiate somehow oh, already on other conditions eh, on another basis. you're out of the market anyway, if we remove this oil. come on, se-serious part,

it's just that prices will rise and it's enough to replace it, uh, problematic. well, in general, how would you assess the prospects of the oil and gas market, long-term forecast in the near future, that is, the consumption of hydrocarbons still depends, in general, the energy cleanliness of the world's population, it is growing now. already more than 8 billion people will be more than 9 billion people, that is, this means that before the fiftieth year there will be another plus 2 billion. this means that these people, respectively, will also need energy. they will need goods and services. this is all energy, so the use of oil and gas will grow and for a long time. generally. uh, i would say that uh we should worry. eh, probably not what you need. yes, a very competent policy to pursue in the future, it is quite normal. thank you very much for the conversation. yes, thank you very much. come to us again. now

happening on the site and in the app tomorrow. hello in russia decade of science and technology. i am vladimir antokhin on the air of a program about how science will change our lives for the next 10 years. i am ekaterina shuvaeva in 10 years the culture of cancellation will cancel science. it's just kind of terrible. it all sounds scary, but i invited experts who believe that in 10 years

culture abolition, indeed will abolish science. this is alexander rekel. e, psychologist good evening and andrey novikov lanskoy culturologist writer. well, by tradition, we will call them optimists. although i'm somehow not very optimistic. that's it. agree. i'm visiting, so it will be very controversial. this is anton kuznetsov philosopher. good evening alexander karagachev, doctor of clinical laboratory diagnostics. good evening. hello, good evening. at the end of the program, our guests and optimists will make a prediction. from what probability in 10 years the culture of cancellation will cancel the science of the history of the culture of cancellation will tell our expert professor kapustin the culture of cancellation is the name of the modern form of ostracism . it is that a person or a group of people, or even some idea, is condemned without any reason by everyone. we are probably better aware of the term boycott, which arose from the atrocities of the english manager charles the boycott

of work, which was refused by the irish workers, the first boycott organized by the state was boycott of jewish businesses and shops in 1933, nazi germany but modern culture. cancellations. it's not exactly a fight primarily due to the activity in the social and professional communities. it would seem that the interests and interests of any person of any community should stand in the judiciary, yes, and the state itself, but we all know, and someone even experienced the hard way that it is simply pointless to fight the crowd, even if you are absolutely right . there you go, i know you have it. though you are not an irish worker, but someday you yourself participated in the boycott? good question indeed, by the way, the term boycott term. i

even like it more than the culture. cancel. well, i personally understand it, and the most terrible volodya is that i probably participated in the boycotts. uh, and it was, most likely, it was at school. it seems to me that in general there are children in school. well, children who are cruel enough do not always understand, but it doesn’t matter whether it’s good or bad, yes, the main thing is to participate in some kind of action, and it seems to me that there must have been moments when i participated and maybe didn’t even want to. well, everyone seems to be doing it. and i at the same time. and you, i remember there was a girl in kindergarten with whom our group did not talk. i don't remember. i honestly don’t remember the truth and why and how it happened, but andrey anatolyevich was such a sinner. and when the culture of cancellation appeared in general, well, no matter how, it was not called before. but it seems to me that in its purest form, the non-culture of cancellation appeared not so long ago. still, this is a phenomenon of recent years. this is a phenomenon connected by network culture with the

activation of mass culture. and i would designate , uh, 2014, especially if we are talking about science and about the abolition in the field of science. and when jane watson is the greatest biologist who ever lived, well anyway that point of view is this, well, let's just say hmm the man who discovered the structure of dna is a bit of a lot. but when he just continued to do his scientific, biological research in genetics and tried to understand how the white man's gene differs from the black man's gene, and he was politely hinted that such research should not be done at all. he said, well, how am i a scientist. this is my job. i am all i do this life. he was told no. he continued. he was already a very mature man. there, the moment he was under 90. in general, he did not care what he was told there, but he did not expect a reaction, because as soon as he continued these studies and published them. at least

he offered publications, and they immediately began to tell him that i'm sorry you asked for it yourself, we warned you that this is racism, you can’t do this, whoever calls it science, we call it racism. he lost all his honorary titles titles. he was forced to sell the nobel medal. he was a nobel laureate. and he was expelled from everywhere. that was the culture of cancellation in its purest form, such a bright first, then, of course, we know. and what, what did joan rowling suffer when she, well, somehow awkwardly spoke out? and yes, yes, and many many others, then, if some professor at some important university does not sign a letter in support of the former, he will all be expelled. he canceled forever. this, of course, is a western phenomenon, we do not have it, in fact. no, not on east, it is not. this is a phenomenon. western phenomenon. in fact, a very serious and deep is not a

temporary phenomenon. we are now witnessing such a serious demolition of the entire western culture, which has recently been based on the idea of ​​rationality on the idea of ​​reason. and in the culture of abolition, of course, it is complete absurdity, madness and unwillingness to think. that is, unwillingness to present evidence, unwillingness to respect someone else's point of view, and, frankly, i would like to show why this global elephant is happening right now. and why is this culture? cancellation is a lot more serious than it looks, right? be careful, only there the step will doubt what to put on. choose any sporting event in the application in the form of bets and fly in an hour. see broadcast advice decided by other players to win. look, in one minute, we will go through the entire history

of western civilization, which means that we have stories that we can do it this way now, we can’t cancel it yet. so it is possible. and look, well, at first we had ancient kingdoms. god is with them, we have little about them, that we know ancient egypt, ancient israel, so to speak, and, of course, this idea of ​​the mind, and we will see that these waves alternate with us. it will be an alternation of cultures where mind dominates and cultures for feelings and faith dominates, that is, the mind is there, what is called is not so strong. then, accordingly, went antiquity. probably, its peak is right there plato's socrates aristotle is, of course, well, this is philosophy, this is knowledge. this is the emphasis on rationality on the mind, but at some point it weakens and we have the next wave. dark ages of the middle ages yes, let's connect

the kingdom. well, the dark ages, as the first part of the first stage of the middle ages, yes, the middle ages are more, i understand yeah, but the middle ages at some point end and begin, that the big modern is the big modern is the big new time. it is clear that we are used to saying that we have the renaissance and the bad enlightenment of the 19th century, the 20th in fact. this is all one big modern and this, of course, is the cult of reason again, if here in the dark ages, the cult of faith is the cult of feelings, then here, of course, we again have ultrasm, and in the 19th century, probably, the cult of science is the pinnacle of all this, the cult of mechanics. and in fact, we are still living in this time. yes, this is the mind, and now we are at this point, that is, that is, roughly speaking, the era of great modernity is ending. the era of reason is ending and we are entering a new

middle ages, that is, a new era of faith, new dark ages. that is, this is an era that will be based on feelings, and not on reason or narrationality. and besides, it is curious that look, when antiquity was dying there was the so -called justinian plague, that is, we know a specific point. this is the sixth century ad. when they died relatively speaking, the dark ages of the middle ages, the florentine plague, this is the fourteenth century, that is, this is a completely understandable epidemic and look what we see now is a kind that clearly repeats. here is this diagram, the fourteenth sixth. yes, we already have. this plague, which cuts off the movement to this new middle ages, and we see this in today's western society from

this will work out. i hope during the program alexander markovich and when the very term “cancellation culture” arose, in general, who coined it, maybe we use it incorrectly. well, in fact, when i thought about this topic, i understood what and when i discovered. actually the source of this term. i realized that, in principle, this is not so important, because it is believed that this is not very familiar at all. well, personally, i don’t know about you, but for the russian language it’s not very familiar. this is the word. cancel. here we are used to the phrase. culture. cancel. she is hard on us. it's much easier, we're used to it, it means that something was wrong at the checkout, and here you have it, so i have cancel yes, and then cancel the person. it’s somehow unusual, but for the russian language it’s one way or another, so it came from english and now it thinks that it generally came, by the way, even from rap artists from rap artists, when it’s the first time in rap, if

i don’t changes memory, i read somewhere in the nineties in the early nineties, this phrase sounded on behalf of person. for his bad deeds. it seemed to me that we were another story. well, a deep one. that's not covered yet. here in this thing. perhaps, of course, the philosopher's colleagues will say more about this. and this is the very basic principle. as far as a person is separated from the results of his activities, because one thing. i would even suggest such a classification here, when the culture of cancellation concerns the fact that you are doing something that can lead us to some thoughts that are not fashionable today, such as that here is a colleague he spoke about his father, yes, but it’s another matter when your activity is professional, for example, yes, this is one thing. but, for example, your personal life and the way you behave is different. yes and so, can we cancel, and the songs of a person books of a person,

the discovery of a person due to the fact that this person does not correspond to our now superfluous moral ideal. this is even a tougher statement of the question than what you just do, not what i need, but we'll talk about this later. now, of course, there will be very uncultured, but advertising cannot be canceled advertising on ntv do you doubt what to bet on? choose any sporting event in the betting league application and fly in an hour, watch live broadcasts, consult with other players and share emotions. liga stavok together to win december 25 cska-red. the main sporting event of this year, hardcoreboxing clash of the strongest boxers of russia and america sent us to the bars joelshodrid himself drahman alvin brito. a year long expectation duel timur s lachinin against khadzhi automaton navruzov, as well as the long-awaited. vyacheslav

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challenge culture. they do not carry the same meaning as their english source codes, the culture of cancellation is especially strong, it flourished after hitting american universities once universities were a hotbed of freedom of thought now. if you express an opinion that does not coincide with the one held, help will be poured on you. judgments of censure laughing at insults the number of those who hate you will grow like a snowball and it does not matter who you are a freshman student or a respected professor under one pretext or another. you will be thrown out of the university. a different opinion is unacceptable american universities are silent, but the professor knows what to talk about, teaching at the american university anton, but in the end, no matter how you call it, whatever the term, yes cancellation culture. and what do we put in this concept today? this is somewhat different from bullying discrimination. and yes and no, but the concept of cansling.

cancellation really appears back in the nineties , but, uh, the significance that it acquires in the modern situation. this is 2014. however, the term. culture. cancellation appears much later, and it appears only in the twentieth year, and why is this? important, because and when cancellation comes first, it's a certain social practice, it's not related. it is related to the fact that there are, but some social contradictions and imagine you have, uh, some rigid structure, hierarchy distribution of power roles, and the like are no less than elements of the hierarchy, and cannot influence the upper elements. and if there is some kind of injustice, it is structurally in the law, then the lower elements cannot cope with what

is happening at the top, and here are social networks. they provide an opportunity to express the accumulated resentment to the top, initially the motivation of the cansering. was to a in english called, uh, making an account was to make people, but who have some kind of power, even, so that they pay attention to those who are directed at people in power, since this is a very non-selective tool, very e inaccurate and acting, let 's say, in conditions of increased moral sensibility. this is a feature of our time, heightened moral sensitivity. yes, in the end, and the practice of cancellation turns into frank shaming in most cases. they are simply not justified by anything and the term culture. cancel, it appears exactly in this situation, when the problem is realized and e, a little e in defiance.

e andrey anatolyevich, i will say that if we look at modern scientific publications in the field, and the humanities in english, professors of american universities will see this, and a whole wave of critical publications in relation to practice is canceled the academic community does not agree and expresses its opinion simply, a in 1920, why is this topic beginning to spread, because peak events have already begun to occur, a real invasion of science. when let's not call newton's laws newton's laws because he is white. yes, let's, we will demolish some hiding places of some kind of pressure. teachers who either did not sign the letter or said something or something inaccurately, and now the twentieth year becomes such a point, and from which the reaction of the academic academic

scientific community begins to the fact that something is broken , something is going wrong and now we seen in american universities. a whole wave of backlash precisely for this reason. i don't think a cancellation culture is some kind of real threat, because the mechanisms of free discussion until they are destroyed and atrophied. they have not been destroyed, but it is rather difficult to cancel them; in order to cancel them, the level of social contradictions in society should be simply critical. well, we'll argue. yes , quite right, then the culture explores. cancel. it's like, uh, straight, probably, like their appearance is a phenomenon. and in general, what sciences do this and do they do it? jurisprudence, maybe even from the very top we will start political science sociology, of course, how is this society organized, how has it come to such a point that it’s just there, er, the difference between one person and any other. yes, it can be

proven. i differ from you by about 0.5% of dna, we can actually see this difference. it's the same as denying the aids virus. so now we have to support these people who deny its existence, it exists. so, accordingly, sociology is a very interesting part further on psychology. and why did an individual individual suddenly take the position of the majority and agree with obvious absurdity and counteracts a single person. yes, that's what we started. never the features of behavior, then we move to the level of neuroscience. but how is the human brain arranged that it perceives so easily. ah, brotherhood of the crowd. as, for example, a pack of wolves begin to chase after the same victim, it turns out. if there is at least some justification, and maybe it is, the wrong brain stops doubting better and practices to learn something better. if the crowd made this choice, then

for some reason, and this gives them some kind of advantage. let's join, maybe we'll get something good. why is the cat chasing the mouse? why is the dog chasing the cat? it's that they have a cat abolition culture in this community biological world. maybe this is already a biological reason, and then we move on to the most interesting, how the brain works. uh, ours is so complex, arranged in three-dimensional space. all this moves in time yet different chemical structures. that is, at least five-dimensional space, our brain. about something there decides what is profitable, what is not, being in the next box in the dark in absolute practicality. e in absolute according to the article, and then we go over that we have synapses there. we have imaging of individual structures and neuroscience. this is already far advanced chemistry, physics, and in the end. we'll get there. and what are we now e electrons and protons should discriminate for some to vote for others not, so the spectrum of sciences, which, in

principle, are studying, are studying such a phenomenon in general. it is extraordinarily wide. you can say so, that is, we have now reached the level. it seems to me sociology to the level of psychology. here we are approaching neurobiology, we began to ask ourselves questions to connect. well, of course, why not? well, yes, but science, in principle, is the cognitive ability of a person, the cognitive activity of a person. for some reason, a person is interested in how the world works. for some reason, we begin to systematize information, pass it on to others, teach others, it turns out that at some point we can doubt. is it that we have taught a person correctly? and that it will lead to some kind of progress? we want progress end up living a long time. they did not get sick to be able to fight the plague, on which well, in principle, they already learned glory. god to fight bacterial infections is a plague, we are not afraid now. now we have a viral infection, another challenge, but i must say, we already have certain findings that such a conditional term is an inflamed brain. when there is inflammation in the body, the brain can no longer work normally, it is distracted.

otherwise, as inflammation, he has a catastrophe in the body and begins an inadequate perception of external incentives. well, here, i think, is an important point. i'm listening to you and i, and, of course, we forget an important point, friends, here. eh, the cult is the tail of the dead, yes, and there is, respectively, the spout. yes, what's in the re-what and, as it were, no matter how it spins, what will be ahead, and the culture of cancellation is a consequence. a consequence of some basic notion of where freedom of belief that i have freedom in general that i have in my explorations of thoughts ends, what can i say? i want to remind you that in the criminal code, probably, in each country has a number of ideas, yes, and some beliefs beliefs that are prohibited from being questioned at the legislative level. uh, by no means trying to refute this idea and certainly not trying to

question it, nevertheless the question arises. and where does it end? this is the scale of what you can doubt, yes, and what you can not doubt that 's why i say that in the culture of cancellation in my subjective opinion. there is nothing new. it is now inflated and expanding, but its meaning absolutely repetitive. agree that it is not just like that, probably inflated. this is a very handy technology. i know that, for example, the training manual is necessary, which came out in the twenty-first year. there is a certain culture, cancellation, but it is not written there. the culture of cancellation, it is presented, as a technology of struggle and, as it were, with objectionably less friendly strangers. that is, it has already been indicated as a convenient technology here, i would still note that a at the level of politicians a-a or at the level of passing laws, this is already non-culture. that, as alexander rightly noted, it has always been in history, that is, we live, we have never lived in a society in which you can say whatever you want, yes, and not any act of prohibition, not any act against some kind of aggression, there is cultural and the

like is the culture of cancellation, if and it comes from state bodies, yes, as a law, and it turns out that in this way someone is canceled. no, this is not a cancellation. it 's the legislative from those who have the power. cancellation culture is spontaneous mes activity first of all, that is, the culture of cancellation is then at the lowest level such decentralized totalitarianism. and then every single person feels that he, the dictator can do, has the right to stop someone's growth, right? this is this. this is perfect. e, as alexander correctly noted, it is completely characteristic of all e people in varying degrees of emotions in different circumstances, and e we will continue to supplement what alexander said about the sources, after all, culture, cancellations, and since this is precisely western e, practice, how to noted, and andrey anatolyevich yes, then, but here

it appears, as a result of the conflict, the conflict lies in the following, that at the level of facades and postulates there is equality of egolitarianism, and everything is fine, but at the level of how society is organized there are obvious more unequal in relation to e minorities in relation to something else and it doesn’t work out and it turns out a frank contradiction democracy is written on the facade. everything cool. everyone has equal opportunity. as a result, here are some ghettos, they exist for decades. and here is the culture. cancel it a pimple that just burst a pimple of contradictions between the fact that we want equality and everything else, but at the same time at the level of facades and do absolutely nothing. that is, we have some kind of crack. we cover it up, but we do not solve the problem.

unfortunately, this pimple is obtained. well, or there it is a problem aimed precisely at solving a real problem and, accordingly, a facade. but in principle, like this for a scientist, a sociologist or philosophers of culture, the abolition allows you to understand, and where exactly social contradictions have accumulated, but with on the other hand, it is clear that the culture of cancellation is not a tool for these problems, and this is exactly what all the latest scientific publications are about. uh, in western magazines. let's try to fix the façade, but after the ad, there's an ad on ntv don't miss it. and people of the week on central television kyiv opens a second front in the ukrainian rear, how and why the fight against the fifth column can lead ukraine to civil war big oil game for a fall biden wants to repeat the eighties to bring down world prices for energy resources. has the white house again managed to negotiate with the arab sheikhs, or is the american

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science will change our lives in the next 10 years in 10 years the culture of abolition will abolish science. but the cancellation of culture will not work, our expert professor kapustin believes, just like that, let's think about who the culture of cancellation is aimed at. well, of course, immediately remembered. the author of harry potter did not say any nasty things, the enemies of the jan wrote, and rolling, another story about the new book. true, 65,000 books were sold in a week. but for russia's cancellation culture is a hybrid war. against our country today in western countries our history is discriminated against, our literature. we have our sport, our science, and internal enemies. although in our country we don’t have the habit of mass pecking people, even if you don’t like them, and it would never occur to anyone to cancel

someone just because he was photographed in a cap that had the inscription support for his country. and in general, all this hype about the cancellation. well, it didn't affect our country. our multinational russian people. he will deal with any problems. what a positive height kapustin is rarely so positive, in principle, this is good alexander vladimirovich but really. look, the professor said it right, but anton refused today, who has accumulated this contradiction. yes, between external and internal, but suffers. well, i really don’t know, literature, and they suffer there. no, at first it suffers, literature, art, culture, and what other sciences will suffer? now, if this continues, i really want to see how management in science imagine the situation, yes, uh, set a big task that cannot be solved separately, taken by the country, but really requires large resources. well, using the example of genetics, it was necessary to decipher the human genome. we have 23 chromosomes, respectively, each country

took its part and began to decipher the assembly. these letters were written by these toms. russia also participated in this. as a result, when everyone joined forces , this, well, without uh time, a breakthrough in science turned out. we understand that these are the tasks by analogy. you can also remember that these are particles that dispersed in a huge magnetic field cyclotron, which was built on the territory of several countries. and this task is not impossible. it would even be imagined that it has been solved. yes, systems are being built right away, can a single country be applied, can it afford it? and because science, in principle, is subsidized, as i think. secondly, uh, there are resources to construct all this to propose a hypothesis not to be mistaken in one's own. uh, here are the views, how it should be, because every person. i think rather more self-confident than a collective mind. it is too

a necessary resource in solving the most complex problems. so , it turns out that all these ambitious projects are really aimed at the progress of mankind. they all suffer, that is , because we are simply distracted. well, even emotionally, when we need to think, we need to solve complex problems and carry out intellectual work. yes, at least formulate your hypothesis quickly, yes, yes, yes, now i have to work at the institute. here, along maslow's pyramid, we crashed absolutely down somewhere. uh, physiological needs like food buy, as it will be safely aged. well, further there is minimal, at least there is the work of support. that is, this is the very top step, what is it called? yes, there is self-improvement. it is being sharply discarded, so we can say that all sciences are suffering here, of course, in the fight against our pandemic, we want new breakthrough means. in the meantime, we are plunging into the dark ages. instead of making a move. learn mindfulness. each of us began to feel more like yes. eh, how

man, as a person, as in this space. and this is also a new round. is it science or not? alexander markovich and what consequences for humanity itself will the culture of cancellation bring in the next 10 years. well, look at me. well, look, i am also an absolutely optimist in terms of ah attitude to this one. hmm. to the fight against her, because that's how a social psychologist. eh, i even see in this some, oddly enough, a generally positive result. but professor kapustin said about the sale of the book. jk rowling i have one dear my colleague and teacher of psychology. eh, msu said. e that everything that e obituary is all pr. yeah , so in that sense, uh, it has a very simple socio-psychological nature, and cancellation culture is a good way to reinforce the identity of the group, they say. let's all be in a group. we've just talked about bullying about bullying.

what is this? let's all unite against one person, in principle, of course, this is bad, but one way or another, if you remove the value judgment, this is an attempt by the group to unite anchor it in some kind of identity. here's how to do it right. that's the way to think. it can be seen as soon as one part of the group begin to strengthen. here in this identity, someone is trying to cancel, immediately because we, as a system, as a group , are not glory enough. to god, such a homogeneous space immediately appears such a phenomenon of socio-psychological polarization, another policy begins to appear, those people who begin to argue with this. see same groups within the same group within the neighboring groups and it turns out that for every action there is a reaction. culture. cancellations, according to here are the studies with which i met the american modern social psychologists. every culture shows this. cancellation, it has a certain paradox on the one hand. it

is recognized, as i said, to strengthen the group's identity. like we're all together. now let's take it and let's not read it. so we won’t, respectively, read dostoevsky and we won’t read rowling and we won’t listen to tchaikovsky on this right away there is opposition. that is, that part of the group that will say so, no, we will. we will read dostoevsky to everyone. you start that same free discussion, which, in fact, is absolutely natural, normal, right? yes, well, yes, it’s better not to bring this to the universities, in principle, yes, probably, and in general, it’s better to do without it in general, it’s better, of course, to discuss dostoevsky at some literary debates and circles, but one way or another. this one begets the other. there is a certain forecast that one can win the other, respectively, eat win and uh, technologies to combat culture, there is no need to cancel any. in this sense, in line with the canons and laws of social psychology, it will outlive itself.

no need. okay good. then i just have a question . if you don't have to fight, just look. katya i participated yes, i also participated. people sign some collective letters and demand that you sign these letters. if you do not sign, then they will already cancel instead of that person, and you will be canceled along with him. and so you can start canceling anyone and you won’t even notice it, so give a couple advice on how to start canceling someone, in general, as a person to stay in everything, this is madness. does anyone have any advice, right? because sometimes it goes unnoticed. you join the group we are talking about the abolition, but in reality the people who are exposed, who are exposed from me. they have been cancelled. here jk rowling think. she was cancelled. no, it wasn't. well, sorry, our parallel indians from china were returned back without roles. although all charges were dropped. here, each case must be differentiated; here, no such that we, uh, can there, we just talk

now about what in general, when, well, we share our fears, yes, i generally say, in many cases. the cancellation is stalling, that is, we hear the news there about jk rowling that it was canceled? but this did not happen. this is, if, as you said, everyone will begin to cancel each other, then in the end no one will be able to cancel anyone. that is, when everyone cancels each other, nobody cancels anyone, because it becomes impossible, that is, there must be some significant a center of gravity around which the entire community will rally and speak. oh, this is my identity, it certainly can be. uh, like it's a minority, it's very aggressive. well, that's the thing, u always have. uh, here, passionaries, which are few, well, passionaries are passionaries for that , that they do not like to cluster all in one place. passionaries are clearly in different camps, if passionaries arise in the same group, as alexander correctly said yes, that this is the

appropriation of identity, then one of the passionaries will assign a different identity. although it may be, under other circumstances, he would have taken the wrong position for him, that is, you should not be afraid of this in all biological communities, just take a cage with laboratory animals. their level of such animal intelligence is much lower than that of animals in their natural habitat 10 rats or mice of some kind there is always one of the dominant ones, which walks around and gnaws everyone, there is always one passive from this cage, which gnaws everyone. we remove these two look. again reappears these social roles. it turns out that, as a rule, chaos does not arise in biological systems. here is what we sit down to increase entropy. yes, garbage is gradually increasing, chaos is gradually increasing, but biological, on the contrary, it structures and aligns some axis of the hierarchy. and so it is, in principle, a normal

biological phenomenon. it is possible, so to speak, that dominants appear somewhere, around which social groups rally. but if you look at on this little bit on the other hand, and each person can look around him at his own communities. big little ones say the world is not ideal for some of us, it will just be some kind of irreconcilable internal straight. well, a disaster, actually. how did it happen? yes, some of the people really have a very hypertrophied property in order to improve this world and make it ideal. but this is like a struggle with windmills, so we have a certain kind of such a property, and which, it seems to me , psychologists often say, you must be able to accept, when it is a given that we are all different, that each of us has a share, e.g. some of our freedom , a share of our conservatism, a share of our own. black and white, and now tolerance, it somehow broke all very much. i mean, we're talking about cancellation culture, and that's too extreme. it seems to me that there is just that very

lack of tolerance, when we polylize, we discriminate, we try to build this order, where, maybe, it’s not even very good, because we are not mice and not in a closed system, because entropy is constant in a closed system. if i remember correctly, and we have something infinite universe planet earth. we on the big stone exist in some kind of space, we fly property to the system, just e entropy develops according to the laws. that is, it increases well the sudden system. not biologically. you need to learn to think in general, you know what's the matter. here i am very sorry, just western culture, where there was a serious rhetorical discipline, where even children learned to analyze. here is one point of view. here is another point of view. i will first study a different point of view, and then decide whether i agree with it or not. well, that is, some kind of really rhetorical practice, it was very healthy. and now something has happened, something clicked and

people have stopped doing it. i'm in the continuation of logic. here is alexandra, who means that he suggested that psychologists are talking about acceptance, and i’ll suggest one more idea, in my opinion, uh, a discussion for the sake of catherine’s discussion is not this, but hmm , an obligatory story, because it’s not yet i want to speak for philosophers, but, in my opinion, socrates did not respect yet, oratory, precisely, because he believed that this was a way to actually get away from the truth. and what's left of socrates yes, that's the question, what's left of socrates now we're gone. we are all mortal people, no matter how long ago it was from the socrates. apparently, after all, a lot of things are left since we are now remembering something else. the thing is, i'm purely like, uh, the person taking this position in our discussion. i'm afraid of another. anton says. we kind of agreed. everybody came to the conclusion that the culture of cancellation. it

's self-cleansing, history and clashes will make cancellation culture not so scary. she is scary andrey anatolyevich, he says that we are going into the dark ages, and she is scary in that if we talk about the culture of cancellation, they are not a mechanism behind the waves , but as a mechanism of the state, because when you talk about paralympic athletes, you talk about it as a state mechanisms, then the threat to science lies precisely in this. i am giving an example about groups k inside which there is seething and polarization and in the discussion you give birth to the truth, not taking into account this moment, because then the culture of cancellation can cancel the sciences, prohibiting in fact, as prohibiting here. yes, let's just, they were invented, of course, forbidding, for example, to conduct this for me as a psychologist. we've been talking about racism just now. ok gender comparisons any gender psychology is under possible potential impact, because such gender psychology is about that . what is the difference between boys and girls. what

is the difference between boys and girls, including show what it means, what can be someone better, and someone worse. what is female logic? someone doesn't, yes, everything let's it seems to me, now is the time to turn off the lamp over you, vladimir is such a plant in general. the statement, therefore, i’m just worried not about the culture of abolition in society, but the culture of abolition, which they may slightly agree with here, and with a colleague with andrei anatolyevich , start abolishing science as an institution. and, of course, the humanitarian sciences and humanitarian disciplines will be mainly under attack here. let's stop advertising on ntv december 25 cska arena the main sporting events of this year hardcore boxing clash of the strongest boxers of russia and america from the evil of us bars, joelsha green sama abdurakhmanov elvin brito a duel with a year-long expectation timur s lachinin against gadzhi automatic nabrosov, and also long awaited.

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will be jeopardized only in the event of monstrous global catastrophes. and right here it's not really a matter of practice. cancel. and the thing is , what will happen to the world and here, uh, the practice of cancellation does not play any role rare. let's take a chance. let there be half a percent if we imagine some incredible crisis, which will be a crisis in the first place for our knowledge foundation of half a percent. thank you so much. i am an absolute optimist. i think everything will be fine. and it is necessary to reassure everyone and science will move forward, but in local areas. we have already observed these examples more than once. and i would be glad to agree with anton, but no, because we all the examples that all sounded around this table and in those heaps of examples that can still be heard in the same genetics. we have already observed more than once how in individual countries in individual communities over individual decades. science

has already been canceled, therefore, in this sense, on the individual. if we formulate the question in such a way as to what extent it is likely that it will not cancel, not in general, science forever, but will, uh, regularly cancel it, but at some time intervals, then the probability of this is very high and equals 80%. well, 80%. thanks i can’t really say that this is absolute zero , science has begun to discredit itself a little. it has become a brand used by marketers to just sell us crap, and unfortunately the cult of the professor, the cult of scientific articles, has become too serious an argument to sell anything there. not necessary, so we can say that science will always be and cognitive activity will always be, we will always doubt, especially people who, uh, already have experience, like the

dunning kruger effect. yes, and the more experience we have, the more the more we doubt it. and that's why i give 10%. 10% thank you very much. this science is a very strict rational knowledge. i didn’t think they would quote, vladimir ilyich, but he has a lot of good quotes, but you can’t live in a society and be free if society goes crazy, and this rule that everyone must go crazy, uh, applies to all areas of life , then this inevitably applies to science. and i have a pessimistic forecast in this sense. i feel like the world is coming down. in general, crazy. i have a feeling that the next decade. still, we will see the degradation of science quite seriously, quite seriously connected precisely with the fact that the whole society will degrade and the probability is 50 plus one share. well

, let's give 50 and a half, so that that's another half to take into account 50 50 point five percent. thanks to volodya, with a probability of 35 with a little, and the culture of cancellation will cancel science, thank god, they will not cancel it. you know, what i have today, i never thought that it turns out that the culture is excellent - this is such a grassroots culture. can you say e to put it bluntly, probably, for this i will be canceled by people who do not really want to think, and most importantly, it occurs where there is a discrepancy between the external and internal is much worse, when it is strange and grassroots culture goes to a high political level to the state and when i don't know, they start canceling at the level of entire countries. well, let's cancel russian culture, we will cancel pushkin yes, let's analyze it like that fell. well, listen, you can't take it apart. that's it, in a cast you can give everything who

will definitely pick it up. i think so in this regard. i really liked this thesis that the culture of cancellation is such a nasty phenomenon that will be canceled in the end. myself, but i really liked it. the idea that western science has basically discredited itself, so i would really like , uh, to be on par with the meme of the famous british scientists. yes, there was, after all, still a brand of russian scientists, because our science and only all hope for it. well, it's art. if we never participate, there will be no boycotts of anyone cancel. and it will only go to e, for the benefit of our society. freedom is everything, it was the science program and we are a program about how we have changed our life with you in the next 10 years, learn, learn, learn, don’t cancel anyone in a week, read. pushkin for now.