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today there is more and more news on our website in the telegram channel of pe ntv, there is a reverse connection. if you need help with injustice reported tell about emergencies in my city, but i, brother, thank you all for your attention. see you on ntv back to the future i wish you all the very best, as 30 years ago, the indestructible union disintegrated. how to live? how to live? where to get bread? why did the attitude to those events change years later , the collapse of the soviet union was the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the century and whether modern russia can take it. does

he have much more ambitions for revenge for the collapse of the ussr than special operations in ukraine? about this in our program today? hello this place meeting on ntv a place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin. my colleague is ivan trushkin. we are working live. today we have one of the rare danish programs, that is, the program is dedicated to a specific date, and we do it very infrequently. well, somehow it's probably a little bit different genre. but there are such dates that it is impossible to pass by, especially since this year we have 100 years since the formation of the soviet union. now is just the date. this is sunday, when the soviet union ended its existence, that everyone in this studio, even ivan sergeevich , they kind of caught the soviet union. do you remember anything about the soviet union until the age of 4, i think i hardly remember anything, i was born in 87. but what, i remember there, i

remember how we closed for oil, and to sell coupons, but i'm not very sure. yes, there was a border or there was still no soviet union. it was most likely the early 1990s. let's ah. well listen, everyone has their own. some memories russia did not enter the tone of the ninety-first year there until 91, but i did not i remember, let's, let's, so we will have about it and the picture will be appropriate, you can remember. let's start with mikhail sergeevich gorbachev, whom we have just quoted here in the announcement. i wish you all the very best. this is actually a phrase from his television address. in which he informed the citizens of the soviet union that he considers his work finished? let's see, i'm leaving my post anxiety. with faith you your wisdom and

fortitude. i wish you all the best, on december 25 the red soviet flag over moscow the kremlin was replaced by the russian tricolor on the same day, the american television channel cnn took a long interview with gorbachev, the outgoing president, asked about his role in history. i would like to see what has been done in these years. people appreciated. i think they appreciate the difficulties of life now, their disorder of life does not allow them to even sit down to really think about talking together about what is happening has happened and is happening to us. what places, and we ourselves became different people, another country, people who at that moment ceased to be soviet were worried the crisis reigned in a completely different way in the country and a terrible deficit, the standard of living of the population fell lower and lower, while the state spent gold and foreign exchange reserves and borrowed money from the imf pavlovian reform. at the beginning of the

ninety-first, he made the majority of the population destitute, indian tea was brought to the bakery, and the queue was celebrating, but they decided to take some of the tea out, the people immediately threatened the car taking the tea out of the way and punctured the wheels so that the car would definitely not go anywhere. people will not be able to provide, and so these poor cards, working from morning to evening, that they can get for themselves. how to live? how to live? does everyone think so? politicians of that time explained the collapse of the country was inevitable, the state of the ussr already essentially did not exist, and the population was deceived by that moment. the whole country, with the exception of a few hundred thousand

idiots, understood that he was built on lies from the beginning to the end. this is all the daily daily continuous lies, starting with the disgusting voice of the soviet announcers of the vremya program that pleases our viewers with new labor successes. after you go to the store. you see there in naked cabbage and in the evening you turn on new programs. time, this is the depth of a lie, radio liberty was such that, well, it was the children who understood it, the adults understood it less than a week later. after the soviet union was finally pronounced, the new year came, television broadcasting continued from moscow to the entire former union leader. his new side has not yet been with a speech in front of friends. mikhail zadornov had to speak as the host the new year's light has already been rich for a year. suffice it to recall the last month, when

we woke up almost every day and asked ourselves in which country we woke up today. the ussr of the cis, of course, the most attention of all former soviet people was attracted in the last months by massive ukraine and its president, despite the democratic nature of the current views. as a bolshevik, he decided to voluntarily forcibly collectivize the armed forces and privatize the black sea fleet. so with the theme of independent ukraine, the former soviet republics and entered their future , it is noteworthy that in the same ninety-first he gave his first television interview. vladimir putin talking about the collapse of the country. he was already trying to explain his reason. i think that it was precisely the leaders of october 17 who laid a mine for slow action under this building under the building of a unitary state and kept the country within the common borders. this is barbed wire, as soon as this barbed wire was removed, this

side fell apart and i think that to a large extent, of course, these people wanted it or no. can any of you , our dear guests today, say what he considers positive, but the fact of the cessation of the existence of a state called the soviet union for myself personally or for myself, not for myself, i honestly thought that sergei borisovich could be what it is say? there is no reason why i believe that i believe that e russia, maya and our historical country, she left the e state project, which has completely exhausted itself. which could not ensure the normal life of the people, and we moved on to adequate to the twenty-first century , our state project, but our country russia would not have become this russia that we now love, if the

soviet union had not stopped the developing state project, and we found it for me parting about gaining. and you said that this is objectively true, because by that time the country no longer existed as a single state. and by the way, it’s not right to say that the soviet union was not so much a state, but there was no person, it was federal, just state and that 's why it fell apart, uh, not for this. well, this is one of the elements sent by the contract, they say it fell apart, of course, that's not why it fell apart. he, because there were deep economic processes , was, so to speak, the nationalization of lid and much more. the question is different, which the soviet union simply could not withstand. eh, the pace of life that began in the global. eh, scale. that is, you then rejoiced andrei ivanovich despite gorbachev, depending on what was happening or not. everything more difficult. i never, because i understood that after this disintegration, the liquidation of the soviet

union would be followed by a very difficult time. let's first understand that the pay for the collapse of the soviet union, the pay for the collapse at a time, was also with the losses of russia of the russian empire. in the first world war, 13 million people were lost to life. uh, a decrease in living standards by 60% of esters. secondly, i appreciate that the main thing is that the collapse of the soviet union was the result of a conspiracy of these critical elites who sought to gain political power. about e economic life. i watched it. uh, wait for this conspiracy. and he was successful and successful. here we see here, that is what we see in ukraine, these are the traces of that thirty years ago, but if the elites, and the central asian

republics, counted political domination as an object of bargaining for the opportunity to live in the political as they wanted, but in the common economic space and then thrown out because of a single one, what happens? so what you are saying is like this. well, not always very good. yes, wait an empirical fact. well, i'm not going to sleep it. well, sergey borisovich says what happens then without this conspiracy. these lines of cover-ups would not have been here, i’m here, the current country is wonderful, i’m a collapse. who watched because of the scientific and industrial union, i worked a lot with arkady ivanovich volsky and thousands of directors of enterprises came and said to the guys, well, i hope you are not serious. we are like we are all these intertwined, how

can we destroy. this is a single economic space, his alekseevich yavlinsky. at i have a lot of disagreements with him, but like a scalded cat, he rushed around the union republics trying to recreate the economic union, economic a and at the same time, and the elites believed that everything, it's okay, we will ask for more. but in the end, they will be forced to give in to us and there was only one center of the intellectual collapse of the soviet union. well , they don’t say much to the dead, but it was, uh, burboliz, who took a very simple position. there is no one above us. and this in itself is a very important criterion for evaluating sergeevich and the republic simply thrown out of the ruble and economic space. they were all blown

away by this. you are talking about some kind of intellectual centers about industrialists, volsky and so on. but people don’t want to say it on the ground like this, how they treated it, they perceived it like this, like something inevitable, or they understand them there, let it be better then. where people believed that in many ways this game would somehow settle down, but it was important that the soviet leadership, which had completely exhausted moral trust, be removed, and the collapse occurred exactly in the fight against alcoholism. here was a shock, which, for several years, is just any trust in the soviet leadership, and in response to this there will be, but we are all reasonable people, reasonable hands will appear, which will again be restored economically. and they all understand, uh, no one. i don't want to offend this. strong, uh,

political science thinking is what you all have, people, i can tell you what people thought. of course, i was then younger than you, and here are the given vciom? god grant them all health, so in the ninety-first year, when it was august, i, uh, what did i do? i'm already have worked. i already came from the army, which means that in august of the ninety-first moscow there are all these shmanka tanks, there all this i have a bunch of friends of my peers and e guys, younger, according to tradition, spent the summer somewhere in the regions there in the village with my grandmother. there, somewhere else in the regions, no one looked at what was happening in moscow. but it means that when august ended, there was such a rise. i personally had a lift. i looked there in luzhniki, came to work, and they were being treated within the radius, and we were sitting there watching tv. this a rally of winners, when everyone was like that, yes, yes, in the regions no one paid attention to this at the end of the year, everyone was there. the question is,

where to buy tea was absolutely not important who will be, gorbachev yeltsin is there someone else, well, then you are somehow easier about it. sorry everyone hears how he breathes at all and here comes the diskin starts some veiled insults. why is this? because it is you who breathe alone. this is how i talked to other people. so you raised your hand at some point. yes, as for the direct question, how the people are all perceives. you quite rightly say that in the region in the regions. in rural areas, in principle, they were concerned about the consequences for what gorbachev's team had done and were doing on this art, weighing on an artificial crisis. the export of, uh, thousands of tons of gold is an artificial shortage, which was created specifically in order to bring the people. here is such a

state, when it was a feeling, the shock was already really all the same and you are right, who will lead? what will it be called when brought uh state the average soviet person’s morale before he lives tomorrow, what will he feed his children with an empty refrigerator, with such inflation of the pavlovian reform, and by the way, hmm thoughtlessness or vice versa, of course, conditionally. i not only think, i’m sure, because, according to the totality of indirect signs, aha, as is customary in intelligence, there were too many negative actions and one of the factors can be attributed to thoughtlessness, but these projects began to be set, starting from june 26, the fifty-third year from the military putsch that took place in our country, when there were tanks in moscow.

more than on the kursk bulge, about which then soviet history prefers to remain silent and the murder of lavrenty beria was actually rolled into the soviet union further by the khrushchev reform. next, the monstrous economic consequences. uh, reform, kosygin lieberman, who monetized and continued to kill the economy. this project is very long. he speaks softly, who has matured, who has matured there for some year. it's like being removed on foot. yes, this is the result of no up to two months or a couple of years. uh. kingdom gorbachev i understood a combination of factors. and maybe we don't relentlessly return to how people from perceived people well in the first year and how they began to perceive it over time. actually, what i tried to ask him about, because the more time passed since the ninety-first year, the more people had

sociologists. realizing that 1991 was a big mistake. this must be corrected, that this is a defeat in the confrontation with the west. well, in 2005 they were told. these are putin's famous words about the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century. well, in 90 the collapse of the soviet union was the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the century. for the russian people, however, it has become a real drama, tens of millions of our fellow citizens and compatriots found themselves outside the russian territory, an epidemic of decay. in addition, it spread to russia itself in 2005 - this feeling in society took root more and more, 10 years later. vciom. i asked the russians how they would vote in a referendum on the restoration of the ussr and found out that almost two a third voted for and by last year this figure had risen to 73% vladimir zhirinovsky then even proposed to recognize the collapse of the ussr as a catastrophe for the legislature. on a stylish level,

the worst thing is that we did the worst thing , we split the state that our ancestors created for centuries, millions of our ancestors died for centuries to have such a wonderful huge state of administration before sakhalin and suddenly. we just took it and scattered it like that and formed these national cells. it's the economy bad and personally in moral military. well, in all positions, boris borisovich, you know everyone and that's it. remember. at what point did people begin to regret the collapse of the ussr? there is a version that people began to regret when everything became more or less full and calm. of course not. and when let's because , because, when all these problems are here. yes, the issues have been resolved. you remember the past and well, that's the way things are. human's psychology. you start to remember.

only that it was good, i was not four years old, like ivanov, but 28 years old. i was already quite myself, held for a second, cooperative since the eighty-eighth year, number seven, in general, in the country i had, i was such a strong average businessman, moreover, i was already a deputy, yes, and deputy chairman of the city council. that is, since the 1990s, i have been stewing in all this, not just as a layman, as a person tells himself that you know about fish, we had a problem in dolgoprudny next. i tell the nineties, they were like that. here in the city of fuel oil for 3 days. yes, bread bread yes, where to get it, there, only appearance, do not tell, but go on to that time when you somehow forgot about these problems, personally, i was terribly upset when the soviet union was upset perfectly. i remember this, because it suddenly turned out that my homeland and the graves of my ancestors were abroad in

tashkent. well, somehow i was upset, but i draw your attention. here in russia in moscow, yes, most people, of course, will be upset here, but actually there are tens of millions of people in that. tashkent in the same kiev i'm not talking about the baltic states, which were very happy that now they seem to be free. it must be in mind, so i will quote putin now, i will move on to what you are saying, he said one more thing, then he said, after this quote. he said that i am quoting quite accurately those who, as it were, do not regret that the soviet union collapsed, those who, as it were, have no idea, but those who want to stop it, have, no, something of the brain or mind, well, there was still there was to create such a history as it was before, this collapse, of course, was a disaster for those who were already here, the ties were broken. yes , there are tens of millions of people there. abroad, roughly speaking, yes, here i have the grave of my ancestors abroad, russian people found themselves in absolutely difficult conditions, by the

way, not so much in ukraine how many meters in turkmenistan where the russian language really forbade the school there, closed and so on, but the project they didn’t say, but okay, then, when people began to be enchanted, well, of course, in the course. yeltsin's feed this is absolutely obvious, because look, and coupons were introduced at the end of the eighties in large cities in the ussr when privatization reform and so on, prices rose sharply, wait, sugar goods appeared. this oil is from the 80's and 90's. well, how ninety moscow is now in the ninety-first year, when prices were released, goods appeared and another problem became that was not in the ussr , shops were filled with money, people didn’t have it, and of course, after a few years, people got the feeling that this is the real one. horror, when there is no money, delays in wages, terrible inflation, never, so now wait so that we do not leave disappointment 93 94,

especially the fifth well the fifth plus minus plus or minus charm. this is a purely putin story, absolutely all the answers to simply, is it not necessary to be cattle, but is it necessary to establish under putin , they simply grew dramatically why? because under yeltsin there was one state mythology terrible. and now the market economy is all common happiness, well , something went wrong, and under putin the mythology is completely different under putin, the mythology is such some kind of direct agents, special services, that whether, idiots, we just heard it collapsed, the great soviet union and then russia got up from its knees, everything went well , blossomed, which is pure, though zero years. we lived as well as ever and then some had an idea, whether they should restore russia's political influence in the post-soviet space, well, then everything went. here is what we see only in the ukrainians clearly do not want. soviet union and now we can see it well, somewhere podmahnuty very clearly

want the soviet union so, well, let's do it, wait. well, we also have igor sergeevich he speaks. let's add some symbolism now. yeah, but because, but you mentioned burbulis, yes, uh, they talked about the dead there during this year. e left, or almost all the higher ones, yes shushkevich died. the first then kravchuk was then burbulis. here , the last was a hunchback, some say that this is very symbolic, and not only because the soviet union punished them all there in the year of the centenary of its formation there. and symbolically, because our special operation has begun. this is what boris borisovich is talking about now and special operations are chance. it means to recreate. as you said , political here and not only means political love, it means that this symbolism is very uh, in demand uh, among our enemies of the western estates of the western. let's

listen to a few opinions, and then igor sergeevich has much more ambition than special operations in ukraine, he wants to actually restore the former soviet union , that's what we are talking about. i think that his ambitions are contrary to the current world order. putin's plan is simple he wants to restore the soviet union in one way or another form, ukraine is his main enemy here. for moldova this war is a threat to the freedom of our country, our democracy and our european path. i have heard many times a statement from moscow that they want to revive the soviet union , this directly concerns us. we do not want to return to the ussr, because we want to live in a free society, a democratic country. well, and now we will quote the canadian edition, which writes. well, about the fact that putin wants to restore the soviet union, this is already a well-known song. and the fact that he from the very the beginning of the presidency followed the path of restoring the soviet union, and here is a special operation for this. look those who do not

believe. after vladimir putin replaced boris yeltsin as president of russia in 2000, the first thing he did was rewrite the national anthem of the post-soviet space. this heralded the path that putin intended to lead russia to . a destination that today might be called back to the ussr as it was in the good old soviet days. russia annexes neighboring territories forces industry working for the state falsifies the justice system, silences the media and kills domestic critics. while its citizens are fleeing the country in search of a better life. igor sergeevich, they include our special military operation in such an attempt at a big revenge. how much do i understand correctly? and not in a completely reasonable way they see what is happening in the world. they quite correctly understand that russia is returning and moreover here. e. revenge only in relation to the soviet union, they equate. if we

return, then this is equal to the rebirth from deny this. i don’t really understand, so when ms. sandu says, i heard many times from her in russia she lives, what does it mean in moscow they say that they want to revive the soviet no one says here, wait. i don't know what she hears when they talk about the soviet union they are not specifically interested in the form of the soviet union. and putin correctly said that whoever does not regret the collapse of the soviet union has no heart, who dreams of restoring it in the form in which it was before? yes, it doesn't have a head you cannot enter the same troops twice. you want to say vladimir putin's empire vladimir putin allows the re-creation of the soviet union in some other form, he does not allow, he strives and works all these years to return russia as a great power, that's what we are talking about, because the soviet

union is russia in the form of a union socialist state and the collapse of the soviet union - this is the collapse of russia, we lost colossal russia want to be like, look. i didn’t interrupt you, you continue to work on these cooperatives there, resell. so. yes, hello, i did . i didn't resell anything. yes, so, here i am for you for the sake of the children. a man now and russia is an intellectual, in short, as a result of the actions that putin is taking and he is building this unity of our history on a completely symbolic level. pay attention to it under putin by the way, they are correct. we noticed that at the level of symbols we have the coat of arms of the moscow kingdom, rightly we have the flag of the russian empire. we

have the music of the anthem of the soviet union and plus to we have erected a monument to vladimir kristin near the kremlin, they pay attention first of all to the crimea, to the new four of these regions, and they are afraid that we are recreating something completely different. but right here is such a straightforward return of the soviet union of the borders of the soviet union, now we will take everything ukrainian, we will annex there or, as they say , then we will deal with belarus, then central asia then added, please, now they said how they were afraid of him, they were afraid of the power of the soviet union putin is now trying to restore the power of russia, and this is what they are afraid of, and in what forms in the borders it will be shown by life itself . do we need all these former republics, maybe it’s not necessary that we need them to be part of russia, this is their own business,

by the way , putin has repeatedly said that we are required from the former soviet republics so that these territories do not pose a threat to our security, and that there is no genocide and oppression of our compatriots. here are two requirements right right? why are we now we are conducting a special operation in ukraine, right? because a real threat to our security has come from the territory of ukraine, and because there is a russian population there. and in general, everything russian began to be exterminated to the root, turned into ukraine into anti-russia, belarus does nothing of the kind, so it is our ally. uh-huh, come on, andrey vladimirovich, then answer. i will tell. maybe not a very pleasant thing, when i counted you crying already. yes, i simply proceed from the fact that a special military operation, on the contrary, is a huge obstacle to i completely disagree with the integration processes in the post-soviet space. that's quite possible, but i see it that way, because

uh means, respectively, an ongoing military operation. she calls. well, quite understandable emotions, just in those countries that, well, in general, even more that we will capture them. yes, without uh absolutely oh, that's what they 're most afraid of. uh, the national elites in both kazakhstan and uzbekistan are in your place. yes, this. and what prevented, let's say, with kazakhstan this january of this year , how to do everything, because we, uh, sort of, like all conditions a very simple problem. we would not be able to control the situation in kazakhstan even if we changed, all the leadership there and so on, because kazakhstan is our ally in various organizations and will never represent our kazakhstan for us. so, by the way, one of the reasons why vladimir vladimirovich says, so to speak, that's what it is, well, the texture, observing this dkb - this is another one, so to speak. okay, i won't

talk. i want to talk about something else, you see, uh, what vladimirovich is talking about has more one simple thing, by today it has become completely clear that the cis has evolved. sorry for the dirty curtains over the rotten stage and it is no longer possible to live with this, therefore the reorganization of the post-soviet space cannot proceed on the principles of the soviet union, since those who talk about principles then rush a few remarks. the first, in fact, means a strong shock and e, building mass consciousness was the period of the ninety-sixth presidential election in the russian federation with all, let's say, the political costs of that time and the ninety-eighth year during this time, people, firstly, appreciated that you mean that the financial crisis, yes, and the ninety-sixth year

with quirks. this is not clear, ninety-ninety -eight, as you can see? yes, yes, it was a socio-political shock, the way out of which it became. uh, just a total revision of the results. uh, assessments of the soviet union well, this is just epic data and vciom in that form in another form. but now you see some attempts of some kind. well, just no, not the soviet union, but russia agrees with a colleague who has a geopolitical influence. no wonder obama tried to pull us. ah, the regional powers. uh-huh, here , andrey, who has influence in this sense, does not agree , among other things, the special military operation had side effects. can i stop you now? we just wanted to know more about the special operation there. let's pause now, show the plot and then return the word.

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tell you that the afghan war played a huge role in the collapse of the soviet union. well , maybe there are fewer now. well, a lot of people thought so some time ago . and now, again, such a comparison has appeared that our special operation is the afghan war of the soviet union. that is, here, again, the symbolism is so extremely negative, and we are now due to the fact that we started this special operation. we russia can come to the same ending as the soviet union , which in the seventy-ninth year led troops to afghanistan. now, i would now ask you about a special operation in this vein, and then, but first, let's look at our story on this topic. russia used to be a soviet union, afghanistan made russia out of it because it went bankrupt due to hostilities in afghanistan the soviet union decided to send troops to afghanistan in december 1979 to protect friendly

people and protect important objects in 2 months before that, the american-funded mujahideen unleashed a civil war, overthrowing the afghan socialist government, and finally, in december, reports of soviet military assistance to afghanistan. this means that the troops themselves are the news of the introduction of troops. the word war does not cause shock in the mind of a few who receive water troops in afghanistan ; here the soviet troops in afghanistan caused active opposition. the west, led by washington, the un general assembly in january 1980 opposed the soviet and armed intervention in afghanistan 104 countries then condemned the actions of the ussr, a resolution condemning russia's actions in

ukraine, by the way, supported 141 countries punished, then the us soviet athletes called on to boycott the olympics 80. as a result athletes from sixty-one states did not come to moscow for the games informed the olympic committee that soviet troops were attacking afghanistan as well as the people of america i do not support the sending of the olympic team to moscow followed by sanctions president carter called the invasion of the soviet army in afghanistan the quote is the biggest threat to the world porting them from the union was also forbidden. this seems to us to be a long-term reaction; it cannot be said that things are heading towards an inevitable confrontation ; a development that poses a potentially serious threat to our

interests, an entire foreign coalition led by the united states acted against the ussr, it included egypt great britain usa israel pakistan china and saudi arabia for almost 10 years. while soviet troops were involved in the conflict, american weapons flowed into afghanistan like a river for military support of religious extremists. washington then spent about three billion dollars. here, if so, uh, such a superficial look, but a coincidence a lot a lot of similarities, and that means, and favorite scenario position of american political scientists to arrange a new afghanistan for russia why because afghanistan , uh, undermined the moral foundation? uh, soviet power, well, those who died at the funeral. just not future assistant then. and when, in general, on

polishing, what to consider the kgb reports where they talked about what they said at the funeral, they turned into spontaneous rallies, not mass ones, but word of mouth undermined all this. it is understandable, therefore lyuba was the first reaction to violence. let's set up siri they also tried to give a new afghanistan from chechnya, afghanistan i mean yes, but in syria, uh, they managed to demonstrate the effectiveness of the armed forces and victory uh, just a real victory. ours in syria has changed a lot. it's an analogy. we lost in spain but won in syria pushed back a global special military operation that is directly opposite in its effect to the situation in afghanistan, the level of social cohesion of russians. today, there was nothing like it, maybe

since the balkan war, when the emperor was forced to move on the shelves. yes consequences were idiotic, but there was unity. huge year, just like there. well, think further you think the storm, and that's it, and leisure and reflection should be backed up by empire. here we see today is not easy. but what is called the donbass concert, there is still a strong indicator that the completely social activity of more than half of the russian population has changed to participate in charity, this was not the case even when a quarter of the russian population declares that they are participating, but this was not the case in volunteer volunteering. never in the conditions will pass the time to comment there will be seconds and it all collapsed do not

wait. that's why the military operation is now leading the way. to ensure public support is good sergey borisovich your opinion here, the troops in afghanistan by the then soviet leadership was a mistake, but a monstrous mistake was not only to enter, but to go on a garrison presence and stay there for years in an attempt to control this territory. that was a terrible mistake. you have shown here, from bigniwo brzezinski, one of the e, idiologists of operation cyclone, developed by the cia according to drawing the soviet union into the long-term conflict in afghanistan e. why do they now obsessively recall this successful experience of theirs, they hope to repeat it again. you see, even in some long-term conflict, it will now pull. what factors are they so? what

factors uh are not accepted and how uhm well pushes to a successful solution. you see, e, look how favorable it seems. if he said that it was not so, why do we now have completely different conditions and such dangers? their points of view, look, look what they see reminding them cyclone operation. successfully. yeah, uh, they don't wage war directly. e with russia, as they could not wage war directly with the soviet union, it is clear that they are fighting by proxy on foreign territory. simply by supplying weapons endlessly and maintaining this hearth for so long. how can they see everything in this. this is where the similarities will show. well, perhaps there are some other ideas , but this is the main thing, they are there for a long time. the most

important difference is that the afghan war was informationally isolated from the soviet society, and a special war operation. she is directly present every day in russian society and is perceived more and more painfully in russian society. it is not true. it's true, it's just the research data. not only yes, but also their masters. the longer will continue specially e operation. than this concern of the russian society will be more and more and if this special military operation is not successful, we will get we will not be successfully close to afghanistan, no comparison. at the same time, the problem was how much of the books that i read it, correct me, maybe i'm wrong, informational isolation from the tv from the

radio. yes, but at the same time everyone is discussing it everyone is discussing in the eighties, conscripts, that conscripts can leave and that zinc playrooms are returning? trust me discussion. that's when everyone knows. yes, there was no such discussion. well, it was the minimum of any we have absolutely. but now it’s everyday, because mobilization is the last possible new mobilization; it really affects everyone today, in contrast, only the difference in one thing, that the reaction then was and moral support for the authorities in russia, but today it would be absolutely quiet. borisovich's operation in afghanistan was a local operation to ensure the security of our borders. in the

southern direction, the majority of the population turned out to be, in general, did not perceive it and did not understand the meaning of why people are dying there, there is some kind of international debt. uh, the information support was the worst here we are dealing with a completely different situation. everyone is well aware that the rate is not some. there security on some section of the border, and at the origins there will be or not be russia for us, but for them to be or not be western hegemony, these are completely different, uh, attitudes about the population of the population - it feels good and when they talk about that discontent is growing somewhere or that something and what discontent grows sometimes. is it the fact that this operation itself is going on and everyone is demanding to stop immediately, no. look at the same social networks, talk to people. all dissatisfaction comes down to that

we win or not. and if it is already stopped, it will be in a different way, not like in the soviet union but as in february of the seventeenth year , the subversive elements will say the authorities are not able to carry out the victory of the population, they want victory, they want russia to survive in this clash, to survive. i understand that she did not just survive and won. probably now it is all the time to win, we all stop. we will continue the topic in a couple of minutes. getting ready for the new year holidays together sbermarket. shipping free, don't miss the event and people of the week in central television. zelensky complains that the european leader is urging him to sit down at

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younger generation questions of the attitude of people e to each other. again, there is. such a trend is increasing in the number of people who regret the collapse of the soviet union, you are also, as it were, recognized by everyone as a fact, and probably recently you can see that the number of people who would like to increase in our country is increasing. eh, these are soviet traditions. now these moral ethical are now somehow restored, whom you are certainly pleased with, someone is alarming. let's take a look at a few examples. in yekaterinburg, the mayor's office was accused of insufficient patriotism for not decorating the building of the city administration with the symbols v and z, as was done in other regions, even a petition appeared, it was signed by more than 2,000 residents, who demand from the mayor at least a part of

the 30 million allocated for new year's celebrations rub. to spend on supporting the fighters, the mayor responded dissatisfied here, one must understand that the administration building. still, this is a memory, so a very restrained one is generally on the way to everything that may appear on the facade. this requires additional coordination since hmm, they require resources from the budget. i think she has a place in general to do such things in moscow schools. as the parents of the students assure, the headmen of the classes handed out black lists of musicians. whose songs are now banned from the disco stop list of those who spoke out against the special operation, as well as artists and agents morgenstern oksimiron face noize mc anaconda zemfira valery melad. ze and other children reacted normally, they said, well, no, so no, they asked questions. who are these ddt and the time machine and what do they sing

? i even had to make excuses for the rainbow flag. jonah is a multi-colored symbol, some overly vigilant citizens considered it to be propaganda of non-traditional values. the flag of the jewish autonomous region has nothing to do with the lgbt flag. if you open the primary sources, you will see when the lord appeared to moses on mount sinai, he asked how my people will know that you are constantly with us and he says, i will appear to you in the form of a rainbow, therefore the flag of the jewish autonomous region. this is still a biblical symbol and should not be scared, and russian society proposed to tighten legislation to protect children from the haggivagi fashion toy on thursday and the department held a press conference on the results of their research. they said that the content of phenol is habitual in toys. this means that they can cause skin irritation, but the public should call for this toy to be canceled a long time ago, because it harms the mental health of children. this

is for the fact that many children subsequently could not sleep normally. this is for the broken psyche of health and head. there was some kind of dismemberment, quietly, quietly tatyana grigorievna please tell me, do you see today attempts to return to our, uh, everyday life. well, let's say soviet ethics, let's call it that. if so, how do you feel about it , well, i don’t see it especially. i see something uh similar, but only similar. it's not the same. uh, uh, when it was in the soviet union and it was clear to me, and i could for myself to make a choice, how i will behave in some situation there, when i need to, e you say something when i should keep silent and this will not hurt anyone. now

i am faced with such a choice that more often than not, i do not know when i will be right. e, for example. say something or remain silent? i don’t know under what conditions then now when then then yes, then then, and now they are trying to explain to me all the time that e prohibitions are bad. let there be pardon buggers live their lives. uh, let there be enough away them faggots really. i think that some global movements can go further now, but they have always been always everything in general exists, the world has been so much, but they have never been so eager to prove that they are faggots. i don’t understand, they say, wait, this means that we must now legally ban them in order to somehow re-form the conditions in which we

lived with you. well, there are 40 years ago, but they are not. well, they, at least god let them be, but why all the time, everything, time for them perform that look here we are here here we are going to kiss. now my grandchildren are watching this before your eyes. my children don’t have any, it turns out there are obstacles, then i’m afraid of them, because i don’t know what mine will face, for example, and you have to keep an eye on them all the time so that someone somewhere you would still like this- that effort. yes, in some way, and for these prohibitions. well, such bans will come to you. i mean, they will come to your stage and tell you tatyan grigorievna no. here's the rainbow flag. all clear. and now let's dig. here, here you are somehow playing this role incomprehensible to us. you are ready for this, it will be fine for you. understandable for political value, of course, yes. why danish censorship in general and not only political censorship performs well. he is still amazed and banned her

monologues. so the attacks were strong. just don’t answer gregory, because she, as it were , prohibits the prohibitions that affect you, they are also norms. well, i don't know how i don't know until i've been touched, not once, not once. nothing is simple. we were very frightened when a, well, for example, so i apologize, of course, at the rachelhaus theater, when the performance was closed, it was unexpected, but there was a letter from the audience of the spectator who wrote that a was a motive. uh, when teachers seduce students. uh-huh, this cannot be and should not be, it did not occur to me while we were playing, as soon as this information was received. i realized that probably really. well , it's simple, but it's there it's there. here's what to do, it doesn't show. well, since it is, and we show what we want to say that it’s bad that it’s not necessary, but this feeling,

because you are spectators spectators spectators or spectators who wrote this do not resemble the heroine of nonna mordyukova from the diamond hand, such is the house manager who is watching. and here he is vigilant and and vigilant and it all sends us away too. again, to whom? but to whom, as uncontrollable, the surname was ivy, as far as i remember, i found out about it, whom comrade ivy harmed, except for the hero eslovich, whom andryukhevich had nowhere to walk the dog. it could have been simply crushed to tear grigor. hello. do you remember the films you see in paris, of course, and you understand that if there was a pretty one, censorship, it would, of course, be banned and you would be at the same time with it and you would not have been waiting for 30 years. would have been banned, but there, uh, the time had just begun when it could jump, and it slipped this movie, it didn't get bad. and this was important, it was good, very good, but there the theme is, i 'm sorry, but the jewish theme can also be

banned. and why well, not as you show, in principle, well, it’s good that nikolai says igorevich uh, because you tatyana grigorievna said that it would be easier for you then. yes, it’s comfortable, yes, it turns out that yes. you can then succumb to some i don’t know the temptation to make it easier for everyone, why is it easier, because you don’t. this one here every day, otherwise i don’t know, some kind of hourly choice you can’t decide on your own attitude. whatever it was, you just do what you can wait, so what do you say, in general, human life differs from an animal, but by a combination of prohibitions and restrictions, because that it's good to be a cat it's good to be a dog. they have almost absolutely freedom and human life is a set of prohibitions. and, probably, some things should not happen in public and show that we will not use the word prohibition and we will use the word rules and everything is correct. yes, but at the same time, of course, i wanted to

say the prohibitions of the rule, they must be certain to comply. therefore, the principle of legal certainty. now we are in a transitional period. we are moving from some strict prohibitions, for example, on us to others strict prohibitions, maybe not very strict, but much closer to classical morality, something should somehow be glassed in the law and legal practice. they will change too. here we are now in the process of such a transformation from something terrible to something. i hope normal, for example, this desire to rule elizaveta stanislavovna does not send us away. here again, in our own then there were rules, everything was clear that you were bad in this. i ask, i don’t give everywhere. i ask, and the question is that the soviet the bans they were initiated, mostly by false ideologies within the framework of which we then all of course, but most of them part of whom brodsky’s payet prevented in the soviet union, i will never ride in uniform. i realized that his evil poet is in no way there is another story. this is

a question. and they didn’t publish it like a poet, and who vysotsky prevented for this is still for me . listen, let's make surprised faces. don't ask me please, what's high cool know that was with vysotsky to me so the first edition after his death. well, the question is not you, while it is confirmed that the people adored him and the records, sometimes they printed them in the cinema. he played formally. he was quite well on the writer's mink in the soviet morality was absolutely double we all existed within. and this double morality, when in the kitchen one at a meeting, another at work, the third at school, the fourth, and even i, the soviet union became a child. and when it fell apart, i was 13 and drank it to the fullest, but the problem is not in russia as such, and we now we are discussing a problem that does not concern only russia, i would say so. we

are now discussing problems that concern the world in general. ch. it’s just that we have one ban for you, and there are second ones, that is, in fact, everything that happens in our country. this is the other end of that stick, yes, which is not really our defensive reaction to what began there, if in one place there is a ban on the denial of, say, diversity of gender diversity, then in the other end of the world there will be a combination ban on us, uh, affirmation of this gender diversity understand, that is, if we are on the one hand, and active in every possible way propagandize something no matter what really, then on the other hand, you can bring it up, you want to say that, uh, this is a problem that we are now trying to discuss, this is not ours at all. yes, somehow general, but then it must be somehow solved, and then i have a question. why, if this is a common problem somewhere in our people, including me, i’m not here trying to wake up a father with a finger on someone, the one who wants to tell us the truth is ivy.

somehow the situation is that he wakes up not only in our people. he wakes up all over the world house manager ivy is a world problem and ah. you know, they tell me what the intelligentsia will do with it, but this is the intelligentsia, as everywhere they keep a fig in their pocket. what is godunov on stage? caressed this fig in your pocket? ah. you don't confuse me, but, because firstly, i say that the manager of the house ivy has done bad things to whom name me? yes, she maintains order, since she can work at home. no one is robbed in the house, in contrast to the house of high culture, they are guided in children who write this same subtitle manual. because if your neighbor would be a drunkard, and rowdy. you would be the first to run to the house manager. we know you, and you

know the audience, he immediately knocks and writes where he needs to, right? yes. forgive the magnanimous that, but then it turns out that i'm not among the big-hearted ones . pensions are cheaper, everything is fine. yes? because if she did. in the seventh year, it was already too late for you to come up, we are not talking about the audience already. tell us to interrupt you like a movie that you, you probably haven't seen it, but i recommend it to everyone . because we will die of laughter is a film of the seventy-first year, the french chinese. paris came the chinese to leave. i occupied france means, and uh, they introduce, of course, an infinite number of bans here from everyone is wildly annoying, but these bourgeois french do. well come on, what is it? actually everything you want. well, we will march separately , these yellow robes. yes, lord, well, how important is the restaurants to work for the time being and that's it. the chinese think. no, no, it's like something planting everyone and shooting is served inserting also does not help. they are. well, they are ready to submit, because they are imposing, they are bourgeois and any ban is wildly annoying.

naturally. you better look, you have now given an example of this, which did not annoy anyone and the french perfectly laid down these prohibitions that of course, of course, they did not strain. naturally. and then it was all for us, of course, it was like a snowball and golovin is growing, but today these chinese are these patriots, that is, they are something like this, exactly, like the house manager plus. she something trying, like mosquitoes here, it is forbidden to prohibit anything, because, firstly, the forbidden fruit. well, let's second, everything was allowed, everything became possible, and we will not have any prohibitions and the rules of the rule. you correctly said the rules have a minimum. if this rule exists in society. i will say that he lives by this rule to forbid by force. something is by no means impossible, because the forbidden fruit of the law prohibiting something has no right to exist. actually, no, of course not. lord, the laws are a set of rules that have settled down the law, that the drawbar, it works,

so you said that we have adapters and according to the concepts we have a transition, when there are bans, this causes wild irritation, because this is understandable. porridge, so let's there was a phrase, what makes the intelligentsia bring down the intelligentsia. well, not all of those who consider themselves intellectuals, not all of them bring down. i know people who read themselves as intellectuals a lot, but they sit here somehow well. so we are in the context of what we are trying to somehow find, a certain similarity and the difference between soviet reality and our reality. we remembered that the omen, which both today and then was, was some kind of wave of emigration, people who left then, well, for obvious reasons, are leaving. now, for reasons that are not always clear to us, but now we are talking about - this is probably about several hundred thousand people. the other day, the actor ivan okhlobystin spoke about the fact that those who left are no longer our people, referring primarily to

his colleagues in the workshop, the creative intelligentsia. he himself considers them traitors and breaks any communication and life. he even crossed out the godson of the opposition actor artur smolyaninov , i think that over time they will realize that it was wrong, because, uh, there are some appended ones to follow and, among other things, the truth that the motherland should not leave waves of emigration from our countries, the phenomenon is not new, for example, from the late seventies to the early nineties, soviet and post-soviet citizens traveled to the united states. it was then that the concept of russian new york and the legendary appeared. now the brighton beach quarter half a million russian-speaking people. they started life in america from scratch, those who wanted to leave the ussr were guided by different considerations. some didn't like the regime, others hoped to get rich, others were just looking for freedom foreign embassies have long queues of people wishing to immigrate. this is necessary, especially at the us embassies on sadovaya and

israel, americans issue refugee status right at their embassy in moscow, mother russia went crazy behind this policy. who benefits then left a lot of artists whose work did not fit into the framework of the soviet stage. singer willy tokarev in the seventy- fourth left for the united states, where he worked as a courier cleaner and paperboy, to somehow make ends meet. a few years later i saved up for the release of a record, a similar fate for mikhail shufutinsky , who started with performances in russian restaurants and did not know about his popularity in his native ussr. i never imagined that i, well, remained famous in exile and remained famous among e -e russian-speaking people of some kind countries. but this is not a great person. these are musicians from the russian restaurant. it turned out that the performers who left were not considered traitors by the people, and years later they were gladly accepted back. moreover, the work of

emigrants attracted with its dissimilarity to the refined soviet stage. we have a brighton, cheerful only pooh we have a brighton, excellent business. you will hear here, if you have an ear, what immigration could and could not we now, who left for the current wave, are somehow called september februaryists, these include in the main mass, as a traitor, basically, whether they will have about the same fate, that is, now we will somehow be in ferment to call traitors, and in a couple of years everything will be a little closer to the music of those who have left, they will still listen through the good now much more ways of girls than it will look like then. i understood the question is for me, the difference with the soviet union when they left. yes, i love the soviet union - this is my homeland, but it was sometimes stuffy and people

left the soviet union. they wanted to open up in creativity, and now the situation many have succeeded, and many have succeeded. well , you have shown some. i know many of them. personally, i want to prove, i just said now that he was a restaurant musician, and he was a restaurant musician, but a star. he became already when he arrived here, he really was very surprised that he was a star here. this is true. they became stars for me. i don’t want to bring my thought to this, but that those who left, now they left when, in general, the country is experiencing difficult times, and also many began to speak against the country, that is, they left. yes, this is some kind of desire for a creative plane, something else. but when you leave, this is how you are a woman, let's say you live, well, let's say with your wife. so that it was completely and yes, and well, you fell out of love with each other for some reason, and

you say something else, sorry, dear. am i gay or is it profitable for you to leave her for the weekend in order to protect your skins of some kind. it's mean in general and that's the difference between those musicians. for example what would be the difference mentioned? yes he i said, maybe i will talk about my country and criticize it somewhere. well, not with you, when it was outside the country i have deep respect, but what kind of leaves, uh, maxim galkin starts uh, to speak from him just here and this is my feeling and the difference to traitors or uh, that is, no triumphant return already they can, but i believe it shouldn't. at least it must be that these people come. i personally would not have any joy in relation to them, and i personally would have prevented this as much as i could. that's it for these people. we are different too, right? there is moshkov, who is a brilliant actor from my point of view and a director, yes, and he is a citizen here. he is a patriot. here, those who left, who say

about me that i'm a dick. well, i may not agree with this correctly. i have my own opinion on this. and if they come back here after insulting me and again they receive it, then everything that they had here did not say anything. uh, vysotsky was mentioned. and you just mentioned mashkov, but it doesn’t scare you, what hmm. and now we have some things that, well, i don't know, were acceptable in the civil war. here at mashkov’s, i think that this is a tragic story , my relatives talked to him about the topic and left, left to relate to this. but for me they no longer exist, those who left because they were afraid because of what it means, well, mother, in danger, you offer to refuse, right? the lions offer the father to refuse his daughter in such a way, the father will decide for himself, you understand, and what i said was personally looked at by lubovich. i certainly don't

i will broadcast. yes, but i know his relationship uh-huh so let's alexander nikolaevich read your pre-interview that you have committed a heroic deed. as i understand it, you listened to noga svelo especially for our program. why? no, i didn't specifically listen to the foot. yes, i listened a little earlier, when i had no idea about the topic of the program, but my leg cramped. you had an idea, but not a musical performance. and that, as it were, a group, but i came across a video, well, of course, on a hostile facebook and i came across a video first battle orcs but this is something relatively new. yes, that's the name of the song. well, i don't know, i have them. and here i am stuck. eh, in harum buru it's simple. and well, then he himself got stuck and that's in vain. i don't know today, they are here, but judging by what they sing, they most likely left, then again.

i came across a song. hey, happy new year son. uh, uh, we thought a lot, too , you see, i thought a little, because my position was one to change it once. eh, almost nothing can. if, uh, those who wrote the text, brought down again, i feel sorry for someone, i don't feel sorry for anyone. i repeatedly say this, but do you condemn them or not? do you condemn? not? i don't blame them. why but i do not condemn them, not only that, i think that these are things. they shouldn't be banned at all, no one would have told me in 1980, let's say , that the time would come when everything that turned out to be allowed would be allowed , the one in

which something was forbidden, see or not? yes definitely uh, only uh, the fact is that this ideology is, in a certain sense, weaker than the soviet one, because the soviet one relied on a certain system of values, well, in the form of a socialist communist ideology. so every person who lived here was obliged to share this ideology, certain principles or rules followed. here uh, well, how much they corresponded to this ideology or did not correspond. this is the second question, but they were kind of thought that flowed here, since i received a family upbringing, then on all the current controversial issues. well, of course, called. mom explained everything until the age of 15, she said everything, how it all happens and why you can’t do it. and here it is at school. i have

not heard anything about any sexual perversions that are being discussed here and that are now relevant. right now, uh, as a matter of fact, it is based incomprehensibly on what, on patriotism, which stands on well, so as not to conflict with the criminal code, distorted by very shaky foundations, but well, in fact, everything worked out for nothing. itself is a process, then this very tendency you have causes more approval, or so i understand? no, it's a trend. uh, i am absolutely thrilled yeah, but because if a year ago, and a little more, i said that i have enough of the freedom that is here uh-huh but today, in general, in relation to my general life lacking the word freedom not under what freedom you lack. yes? yes, at least the one that i

constantly refer to the criminal code. and what should i think about it yet ostap bender bequeathed the voice of relations to the people of donbass to the reasons for what is happening i can not expose anything of this to all the people who are fighting there to the people. we know what looks like can not, how do you feel about them? yes , please, well, we are raising two global problems today, yes question a of prohibitions and, accordingly, the question of who left briefly on the first question and how much we have it all from ours from your rather close, but very different definitions censorship ban and taboo , if, by the way , saying it was used, what exactly is the introduction of taboo and overcoming about miscuity, that is, randomly in the genital relations led to the fact that we are sitting here with you, because the line that

the neanderthals had. she just died. due to the fact that were not deeply digging, but the question of prohibitions. very difficult. i am deeply convinced that any authoritarian regime based on a system of absolute prohibitions will inevitably collapse, which actually proves world history, but prohibitions must be very competently within. here. here is censorship, and censorship after all, if there is censorship, it either prohibits everything. yes, it’s not there, so everything is allowed and this field is bad and this the field is negative, but reasonable control of the processes taking place in the world exists in all countries of the world. therefore, representatives of sexual minorities were mentioned here, so to speak. how can homosexuality or lesbianism be banned? forgive me if this is what these people are naturally predisposed to, as far as i understand, this is forbidden. i'm not propaganda i'm talking about it. i had an article at one time for

homosexuality, when there were people and so on, yes, that's why i'm against the propaganda of this, i don't want to. in the case of life with a twelve-year-old son we come to the film alexander the great and he , at the age of 12, in bewilderment, asks the pope why alexander the great showed interest in men ; that is, do what you want is put, as far as i remember eide- yes, there is the same question that was asked comfortably in the prohibitions of the soviet era, the rules, whatever it is called or are you more comfortable today, i could not appreciate the emerging prohibitions, because touches with hands, but i was 19 years old. this is all awareness of some kind of existence

exists within the framework of the russian federation in the nineties in 2000. i still finished the bans, the thought was not over. so, within the framework of this approach, it is very important to understand. that we should form an absolute ban does not work, it is absolutely impossible. freedom is the hatization of society. accordingly, regarding emigration, there is a huge difference between those who left then under the bolsheviks, those who were simply physically destroyed here, starting, so to speak, from the first wave of 17-18 and ending already with a philosophical steamboat. this is not a good anniversary of 100 years, and the seventieth eighties were not destroyed there with love for the motherland, and this is very important, because here they simply had to be physically destroyed. i always give

this example in may 1945 at the opéra garnier. paris is attended by ivan bunin as his wife. and e unexpectedly enters the hall, even his name has not remained in history. colonel bunin from the red army gets up and starts applauding loudly. speaks french, i ask the audience to stand up, the colonel who defeated the nazism of the army entered, that is, can you imagine, how many reasons would there be by and large. bunin 's hatred of the country, but not love for a particular political system, did not turn into dislike for the country in the sixties and seventies . oh, we need to stop, you just realize. these are still examples that cannot be. uh, you know, inflate at home. well listen, well, you're telling a story. uh, with budin, you can recall a lot of other stories with writers with the same war chiefs who left russia in

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this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear, we continue. so let's stay here on this topic of the relationship between the authorities and the intelligentsia. well, of course, which were then those soviet times were these relations. to put it mildly, not simple, as far as it is, uh, hmm repeats. now. let's take a few more examples. the soviet physicist, the creator of the hydrogen bomb andrei sakharov in the fifties had the opportunity to conduct major tests of his projects was the youngest scientist in the soviet academy science and actually had everything for scientific activity, but already in the sixties , sakharov's human rights activity began to annoy the country's leadership, patience snapped in the eighties and the scientist was exiled to the city of gorky now, nizhny novgorod and exile. sakharov returned only a year and gorbachev's perestroika did not change the views of his dissidents, my neighbor's life is very difficult. e hmm for turned out to be the focus

of such attention, which is possible in order to do exactly. you yourself want what you yourself consider necessary, but here it is very difficult for those who in soviet times refused to follow the official course to appear with this stream, the courts were waiting. hands of persecution, well, the most zealous anti-soviet people were voluntarily and forcibly expelled from the country in emigration, joseph brodsky, the writer and sergei dovlatov and vasily aksyonov, the sculptor ernst, unknown to the author of the gulag archipelago solzhenitsyn, were charged with treason for opposition literature, the next day. after the announcement of the verdict, the nobel laureate was deprived of citizenship and ordered to leave the country as soon as possible. as soon as i began to write, and the tables were standing, how can i hang or a reactionary at all defend and anything good health. and what he

saw, because during his lifetime he saw one persecution for an open letter in support of solzhenitsyn and his harboring in the country in anti-soviet activities and damage to the prestige of the ussr, they accused the famous cellist, mstislav rostropovich and his wife, opera singer galina vishnevskaya, in 1978 they were deprived of soviet citizenship the couple emigrated to the west. and although they were accepted there with a bang, they themselves later admitted that they missed the soviet public, we don’t cuddle , we live. russians, we remain russian densitators of an idiotic copy. this is all people, these are traitors to the motherland, ah, or are they still some kind of patriots, it's just that the country itself has not figured it out. but when they returned, everyone sorted it out, because everyone had already apologized to them, treated them kindly, and rewarded them with

everything they could. well, as for sakharov, more or less, everything is clear with him. in my opinion. this is a traitor and the presence of sugar avenue, in moscow, makes me bewildered with the rest of the people. about the same. i think after 30 years. i treat them that way, because as it turned out, the soviet union was right throughout the full program. and they turned out to be wrong. and now, what we have now come to is just the result of largely their activities. and let's see who is left - something much more great people. well, in the soviet union yes, immigration was, of course, not like on what scale. you are great in taste, let's say, of course, rudol shchriev, alexander godunov is not morning star. and not this one like him. well, in general, these are all morgensterns, but one died there from aids and the other died, that one from alcoholism, were they realized there, someone left for another word, but i haven’t realized it yet, and then i didn’t let it be done godunov and alexandra zinoviev vladimir

maksimovich eduard limonov they were all there , they were actually dissidents. arriving here. they defended the soviet union until the end of their days, having lived in the west, they hated this west again until the end of their days. isn't this indicative, but nikolaevich well, you know now one of those cases when i will tell you respect for this plot, including those who did, uh, the plot for today's program and say that this river, we heard now this is a great confirmation of what on yes, that's just about the fact that the soviet was absolutely right, when you will be. in everything, this means that in those people who were killed, they were exiled by whole echelons of peoples, they were expelled like ingush chechens and other people. it was all right in your view. so it is necessary continue what they said was right. and in fact, i would probably not even make such a division between the soviet union and modern russia, because it was not done. the main thing did not pass, when there was a chance to carry out de- starinization before the bolshovization, this was not done, and

most importantly. what is the main thing that we still don’t have that human life is the highest priority in our country and the idea that wood is cut, chips fly, as it was in the soviet union, so it was in the nineties chechen warriors of the third year everything that is 93 year ninety-three in october ninety. third when? conduct an investigation so far, they took nothing and said no, let's not let us. the main thing is that it didn't happen. this is something that is not unconditionally a priority. tell me, please, now just a little bit back to the topic and to the specifics. does what you say mean what you now see? well, in principle, the same processes or there, of course, that is, here we have some people who are leaving, there are representatives of the scientific intelligentsia, creative there, but exactly according to that

same reason. they are now for different reasons. you say that people are afraid now people are afraid for their lives. here, i'll give an example two days ago. this ministry of justice is applying to the court for liquidation to ban the activities of the moscow yeltsin group, the oldest human rights organization, created by all ten years of life is a trend. unfortunately, nothing changes and attempts. return what i'm talking about, in the first part of the prohibition of the idea to introduce censorship. let's make such a law acceptance of such a law it means to go against time, and it's impossible and trying. going against the times always leads to very bad consequences, disastrous consequences for the country, which now the reference to immigration can certainly be corrected only by being here, because if you think that the country is, as a wife, in a very difficult position. in different ways,

maybe a serious illness or an oncological disease and leaving her at that moment to leave is to understand that you cannot help her from here, so you need to do it. here, only here one can correct a little remarque about academician sakharov's colleague who wants only very briefly, in fact. here, using the example of academician sakharov, we must understand that everyone should be a talented physicist, but he got into certain circumstances when the company was started. forgive the person who is was a personal tragedy. you saw him in an interview saying, unfortunately, he got into the spotlight of the press for political reasons and there is no time to do his own thing. after all, what any famous person, in the end eighties. do physics, you are talented to ask for a hydrogen bomb. i listened to the program from bignivs of the zhezin language, and i can tell you that you are doing history, sitting in the

department and not going anywhere else. now, i'll give you let's give you a bitter word, let's give it now tatyana grigorievna and i still do not let up in soviet times among the actors, judging by the interviews of the memoirs of the nineties , well, after one, here are some such in your pocket and anti-soviet. well, somehow they were embarrassed about it, they were patriots or what hidden traitors to your man? i do n't think they are patriots. in any way, they harmed even with their views. and with their own kind of inhibition of all completely in vain. here they were minding their own business. that's right, because if i start now, uh, some program of my own, uh, offer some to perform some actions. i will forget why i am and what god sent me? why do i need all this, i need it just not to be interfered with, and then

another thing arises. it turns out that i'm out of it all i can't live with all this. i still have to be part of it. this is where i have to make a choice. if i act like this, then i give, if i act. so , i'm, uh, wrong about myself . i have a lot now, otherwise there are problems inside me. and when they ask me a question. i don't know what answers me. i only understand one thing, that i will not leave, that i had the best and i hope it will be only here. uh, and those who left, so i changed my point of view about those who at first i was very, well, let's not say not very kind. and now i just really feel sorry for these people, because they don’t shine there. nothing good they could do. here, they won't do it anywhere, their career is theirs, and their joys are

over and i feel like them, well, about what to inform not to inform. here are my children. or rather, they are grandchildren in germany and the first thing that frightened me there was when one of the children cried loudly in the apartment nearby and the police immediately arrived. and they immediately took away the children, because they were crying, because their parents raised their hands. is this something, should this be banned or should it be cultivated? i don't know, i'm scared now, because i'm afraid that hmm, the neighbors will hear my children's screams from germany to us and to you. yes, you in the ninety-first year, you were on the wave, well, that is, you felt some kind of joy under it no, but like a democratic movement. maybe even went to some. and you do not feel sorry for yourself then today. you do not belong to some kind of

sympathy, because if you are talking about those who left now, then say such words. now you say, please, maybe it was impossible not to go to the rally. they were to carry on when we feel and pity no, nor concern. well, i don’t regret anything, i went because i believed that he had come and would fix everything. a very dangerous delusion, because how to live then, if there is no person , someone should come, some angel, one or the other savior with one or another surname, and everything will not change until we all start at the place where you find a change of scenery for 1,000 people. yes indeed change sides with people. i don't know, you know , i'm confused. this is my period right now. i don’t understand what’s good, what’s bad, you definitely don’t need to blame, you need to leave here, so you don’t blame them. she

them, uh, they lived on them and all at once, perhaps, not traitors. she said they were n't going to be good. in fact, everything will be exactly the same. i recently came from volgograd i asked a problem there in volgograd they say so we all live in moscow we all live in moscow we all live on the internet the same today the world is transparent. absolutely and uh i i can only say one thing, that again, returning to my previous topic, the fact of the matter is that when all these various prohibitions begin. why is it more unpleasant to live today, in principle, in a diving world in general, because there are prohibitions on one here on the other, as it were quite rightly said, but these are flies that annoy the rest when there is a normal state in society. let. even someone does not like it, if it does not suit society, it takes off, as it took off from the war, the sin of the twenties, how wee boobs were watching on the screen, which were in the nineties in full, the people did not accept this. but when he

said such a ban, it wildly irritates our time, very similar, of course, to the end of the forties, but only in the form of a farce, when fucking, wild bans. e on the lord, in short, stuff and everyone was just afraid well jewish immigration fifth was a good time. will we ever be proud of who is being canceled today forbidden is not loved, in fact. it seems to me that there is a difference between those who left and those who left, a lot of people left people left, not only galkin morgenstern really, really a lot of people left, and i, for example, feel this in my profession - this is true and people leave not only because they don’t like russia there or do n’t support the special operation, people leave corny, because they are afraid. well, in general , the man of the fish is looking for where the man is deeper, where it is better for everyone it seems that it will be better there. i'm not sure if that's the case, but it's possible, announce all holding traitors. but this, forgive

me, is shooting, and the fact that people left, for some reason they changed their place of residence. this does not make them people who do not love or do not try to destroy their homeland or work against it, but then it begins, as they say, the details. here zemfira left and says nothing is silent. well, how it periodically breaks through with flames, but at the same time she is restrained. agree that with maxim pokrovsky you are a stupid person, respectively, i was convinced there is such a well-known saying. i don’t know, yes, pyotr ilyich tchaikovsky was a homosexual, but we love him not only for it accordingly. and here let's fly cutlets, if you love the work of pyotr ilyich tchaikovsky, the last thing that interests you? this is his sexual orientation, despite no one, kirill semyonovich serebrennikov, in my opinion, this is very interesting, quiet, quiet, quiet, please,

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if this is an intelligentsia officer patriot, then support him in every possible way and admire him, if this is narcissistic a la zelensky, then it would be a mistake not to give state resources for its implementation and popularization by a platform to tell a person what to do and how to tell him? here i would sit. you, brother, as an academician of physics would be engaged, why did you trample on all this, you don’t need it and do tv. so, since today the places where many of our current pop stars were born were mentioned. so brighton is the early nineties. and still very rare tourists from russia do not immigrant tourists ask a passerby for a place. please tell me where the russian restaurant is. you see, that building with a cross on the roof. this is a church. there is a restaurant. not in all the others. it was a

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