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strength test does not need to hesitate. why did germany go against the will of nato german tanks against russia in ukraine hmm how long can turkey keep other members of the alliance for weaknesses and how do we understand the actions of brothers and serbia and bulgaria vucic putin's puppet. it's just a cruel lie about it in our program today. hello, is this the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin. my colleague is ivan trushkin. we are working live . today we have another ramstein we already several times so to speak, on the eve of it was talked about. well, do you remember, yes, that this
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air base in germany is used, sorry? lord, a meeting place for all sorts of bad uncles, and aunts and well. here's a good meeting place for us. here good people gather, and there is a meeting place. yes, and they have the main thing, this topic is still today, because there is no news, but at least i haven’t seen it yet and haven’t started the time in advance. well, in principle, we already know that the main topic today will be the supply of such heavier types of weapons, and for the ukrainian the army, first of all, we will talk about tanks there plugging, what, uh, the americans don’t want to supply their abrams, but they are very striving to ensure that the german leopard tanks get the german leopard tanks, moreover, so that the deliveries come not only from germany, this is ideally , but at least for germany to allow other nato countries to supply ukrainians with those german tanks that are in service with these countries, as far as i understand, germany seems to be obliged to give this permission no, as
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they say, this is not accurate in order to supply it agreement? here but it's not exactly, as they say now, well, let's go quietly. we will now look at the german position and how it, therefore, fluctuates there or not, fluctuates in connection with the line of the nato party. one of the goals in support of ukraine is to support ukraine for as long as necessary with all the means we can use, but at the same time to avoid a war between russia and the north atlantic treaty organization so evasive chancellor scholz in an interview with bloomberg answered the question possible deliveries of german tanks to ukraine the western press is indignant regarding the words of scholz as a refusal, but the german parliament postponed the vote on the transfer of the leopard to the ukrainians, since most of the factions were against it. although the debate was heated dear colleagues. you are discussing, here are interesting things german tanks against russia in ukraine, your grandfathers. already tried. this, by
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the way, is also with the melnikovites and bandera. and that as a result of unspeakable suffering, millions of dead on both sides and finally, russian tanks in berlin, you know our history, and we hesitate in this a little more for obvious reasons, germany to its direct reluctance. delivering heavy weapons to ukraine created problems for the entire nato in january, the chancellor achieved some respite. agreeing to send 40 marder combat vehicles and a pvp system, but this did not help the president rvis zelensky demands tanks and harshly criticizes schwartz that i will give tanks. if anyone else is also in need, i will help, when someone in europe will also help. i think that this is not a very correct strategy, zelensky made this angry rebuke. after the german press reported that scholz had set a condition for the americans, he
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would send leopards to ukraine if the united states sent their abrams in the pentagon there. it was made clear that the ukrainians of their tanks would not receive maintenance and the high cost of maintaining the work of the abrams tanks is the reason, according to which it simply does not make sense to provide them in ukraine at the moment. at the same time, the head pentagon austin last thursday persuaded the new minister of defense of germany to give history to the ukrainians tanks, but according to cnn, the germans could not be bent. they are putting pressure on germany and the poles, declaring that they are ready to send kiev the leopards they are armed with, moreover, without the consent of berlin. considered a gross violation, the germans have already warned them about this. we agreed with our ukrainian friends, as well as with partners from western europe, that we will transfer tanks together. agreement here is secondary, we are we will either get consent quickly, or we will do it ourselves , as it is necessary. well, what does he say?
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let me remind you once again, the vice-concert hubek, for obvious reasons, the germans hesitate a little more than usual or junior. how long do you think they can still hesitate , they will supply a certain number of tanks, but the germans are the germans, but not the first. here khabib said one phrase, and let's decipher it, what he meant, that is, under the story. they have studied their own history well, and america is american magnates. concerns armed hitler germany and stayed aside hitler went to russia , which means that in the end america won the financial money left in the country turned out to be in the camp of the winners correctly he said tanks or there was a deputy tanks in berlin defeating millions of german lives, including why the germans of
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today's germany never will begin to supply these tanks first, who can be? this suggests that the subconscious is still there. eh, understanding that you are also good. and what will it be then? what then will be in the final and argument, and which here will outweigh these fears and historical knowledge here and force what will happen. i think that the americans bet their own. if not abrams, then some very heavy weapons. they should set an example. america wants the message to go with them not first, as it was in world war ii. i read such abrams, the americans can supply them with them, but
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only american specialists can serve these nonsense, because a large tank is a complex machine. i'm serious the americans themselves, and send their specialists. they don't want to, germany if it doesn't tilt at all, but already tilt further. no, it won't go anywhere. she is the first to deliver. they're afraid they're afraid they might turn around with it anyway, i don't argue. for the americans to do something first, i can’t believe they put it. here's what i'm interested in. how will it become that we have to wait until friday. today is actually a turning point , because it will show from the point of view that the war is reaching another level, quality level in terms of weapons, as for tanks. i absolutely agree tanks will be delivered. why can they start demolishing two leopards, about which there is uh, noise and gamma, and if there is an abortion one which is
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in sufficient quantity, you can safely start putting down two leopards. well , excuse me, 20-30, tanks, leopards, do not solve anything. and here, for example, yesterday's decision by canada to supply more transporters. this is already something serious, so today everything in ramstein in the evening should be a large-scale, completely new quality of assistance to ukraine has been announced, and this is a reality and germany has been resisting for a long time. why do they break down why then, yes, that's why these conversations are taking place, if you are guided by considerations of stories, then there was no need from the very beginning of this question of the future. yes, do you understand what's going on? this is a matter of german mentality. this is a question. uh, that's the same historical memory that they have only with a minus sign for us. yes, that is, here is the very defeat that is not suffered in world war ii. they are afraid, so to speak, to be in that situation again. that's not without reason to say so, and uh, gerts are different. again, the same question, if they are afraid that such a thing can happen so
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that they are forced to stop being afraid and do what is required of them. well , for example, well, this, well, in more detail this, first of all. uh, some financial compensation times. these are guarantees, so to speak, they will be paid money to the germans. and who will pay them money for the supply of tanks. this is not a technical issue. no problem. i've heard it for the first time since december . e, 100% of the actual supply of e iron gas. and in general, the gas supply of germany goes to the usa in general, blackmail, soft pressure, financial incentives and financial blackmail, let's friends. why pay? and the german government money, if you can pick up the phone to call and politely ask him in quotation marks chancellor. they seem to be able to ask with varying degrees of politeness. so you can be quite polite, you can express
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some support somewhere. i remind you that carter scholls is in a deeply vulnerable situation. he has a coalition of two members, who are absolutely about the american ones, and the beerbock stands for tough support for kiev, and if the castor-scholz faces a choice between the collapse of the ruling coalition, which will entail loss of power from the dpg, because their ratings have collapsed or supplies technology to ukraine, at least symbolically. he will do the second, especially if by this time some baltic will die out or poland, for its part, will make some kind of its first delivery, thereby breaking through. this is the window, he is the baltic states and no more. put it, no matter who they put it through, finland is ready to put the leopard first, therefore, although, in principle, the germans don’t really want to, not only because of historical memory and not only because of the commercial component, because if the leopard will burn there in ukraine it is true. to strike at their venal potential, the germans
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are well aware that after the end of the war in ukraine, they will have to negotiate and everyone will remember everything. who is doing what, who is where, so to speak, will show the weight, who was shitting where in this situation in berlin again. and the fact that i will simply deteriorate relations quite like that, russia will remain next to them. america is far away and, as it were, something will be its own messages that this is the supply of tanks. it can somehow critically affect relations in comparison with what has already been delivered and made, including in germany, because this is the intersection of the landing of heavy tank weapons. this is indeed a step towards the escalation purposefully intend to cross the red lines. yes, even in small quantities. i do not quite understand your movement. yes, i do not agree that the germans are now huddled like this from what they are experiencing, how this will affect future relations with russia at the core. what our fathers did, someone has children, someone has great-grandfathers.
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they showed what it means to go to the east, and they are really afraid of the germans, because i remind you, when, in the right, merkel was still announcing the first package of sanctions. now we heard the deputy. there he spoke about a russian tank. so, when she announced the first package from the bundestag hall, there is also a deputy there. like her called. quite right. yes, such a difficult surname, she immediately asked her, you forgot who burned berlin. that is, this fear sits in them and thank god therefore to hold. the tanks will be put in. they won’t go anywhere, and not because the americans are so evil, they came, twisted their arms or something else. germany has been actively supporting the kiev regime for the last 8 years, that it does it out of stupidity or because it is her, but with kicks force the united states to have their interest there, and they understand
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that if the kiev regime is not put the necessary armored vehicles, strike weapons, this kiev regime will collapse very soon, so there is nowhere to go. they got into this claw, everything is tied up and the birds are afraid of the abyss, they are holding back, but they are slowly slowly moving towards what happened to them in the forty-fifth year, and the germans can only be influenced by their american comrades or situations inside or some events on ukraine well, for example, i read such a story that before ramstein they tried to arrange another nonsense from dnepropetrovsk in order to show these emotions. submit no this event. in ukraine, they can watch these emotions - this is for the press or something else, these are the public, when they make a decision, they don’t care in the deepest way where and how many millions of people will die germany sponsored this entire regime and knows perfectly well that we are nazis on nazis, and they they don't see it straight away. so these are cynical
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people. well, now in davos, this story is completely with this one. yes, which is allowed to azov, which signed all publications with ukraine, is prohibited now, it will not be blocked there, because it doesn't count from the point of view of a fascist nation. these are our correct ones and that's it. rest. what could be the trigger. now the british have tried. they will deliver their first four challenges in the coming days, then another 10 will see if it works or not. if it does not work, then someone else will put it in violation. what do you mean it will work or not? and the step has been taken. now where do you go, that you connect, and the other is the first. you said you wouldn't go first. and here london has already delivered four tanks. yes, then vadimovich's guys had other versions. yes, assumptions. who will run first. uh, well, uh, who will be the first to run three options
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, and, well, they called it here in particular, and by that's why holland is still the most influential politician in europe right now, yes. okay, yes, the most experienced, connecting link between just in germany and france on the one hand and america on the other and a man who has been in prison for a long time and has been in prison for 12 years, than having a grudge against russia, it’s understandable because of what, because of the disaster in donbass and people. naturally, having e a great e, influence and opportunities to talk with the germans before. you him with the peasant lindber the leader of the free democrats, the second uh, the country is sweden's presidency. now, by the way, in the european union it is very strong, striving for nato , russophobic hawks have now returned to power there. uh, the karld known to us peeps out of the oculars. yes, who wrote yesterday, by the way, an article on this topic was very sharp in alpha worked.
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yes, sweden wrote a very sharp article on this subject. yes, and holland have a strong industrial complex. they will push and they are already talking. fine. in general, i was the third person vladimirovich spoke to the czech republic, explaining that this is one of the main auxiophobic ones. why do i want to stop? because here i am listening and you understand that there is no intrigue here in the story with deliveries . , probably we are talking about turkey now. because what an intrigue with turkey, but erdogan, it seems, as he promised and signed in the summer even some documents that sweden and finland will be about to be approved. uh, their admission to nato no, until everything is fulfilled, but nevertheless, under some conditions, these are not fulfilled, so the question is how nato and the united states will talk with erdogan now, or
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vice versa, try to bring him something, beaks, or that’s all it's at the same time. here is the intrigue. on wednesday, us secretary of state anthony blinkin hosted turkish minister mevlut cavusoglu in washington to discuss an old turkish grievance, when the americans refused to hand over f-35 fighter jets to turkey. after ankara bought russian s-400 systems. now they decided to sweeten the pill, they say. we will not give a fifth generation fighter. but the older ones, please, according to the wall street journal, blinken proposed to update the 79 f-16s that turkey has. and in addition, to supply the turks with 40 new ones, what’s the step, though he suspected something was wrong, the altar, no preconditions for membership of sweden or finland officially were not discussed in the f-16 negotiations. we also once again expressed that these issues are different and not directly related. the notion that the
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problems of f-16 modernization and sales of new models can be used to tie turkey's hands and force it. anything is wrong so far that washington is portraying a kind cop, but bloomberg reported that it won't be long, they say, the americans have warned ankara. you can forget about the new american fighters if you do not support the applications of sweden and finland and nato membership, while both nordic countries they are not in a hurry to fulfill the agreements signed with turkey in june, the document promised to extradite members of the kurdistan workers' party to ankara and close all organizations associated with it. but so far there has been no success, moreover, last week a performance was performed in the center of stockholm, the turks, naturally, were offended by erdogan and called the swedish sent to the carpet. but
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the most dangerous test for turkey is this year's presidential election, president trump's former us security adviser john bolton has played the role of evil a police officer and wrote an article nato's election message to turkey and such a message turkey has a chance of losing its place in the alliance after the elections, similarly nato can make it clear that turkey's failure to hold free and fair elections will be the last reason for deciding to withdraw its membership in nato against such a background. rece erdogan planned to hold elections ahead of schedule, not in the summer, but in mid-may, as the newspaper and refet reported, if the parliament does not agree on a new date, then on march 10, erdogan will still sign a special decree. it is necessary, to be in time for the holiday season and final exams. so far, citizens have not left en masse for the holidays. abbas, the postponement of the elections in turkey
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, is connected with this nato story, because earlier, vacations and all kinds of holidays did not interfere with the choice to turkey. i think it is connected. uh, there really is such an unprecedented fight going on right now. e turkey is a nato member with nato directly , but you know the turks from the fifty-second year in nato in these 70 years. what just was not and always turkey was a very problematic character. well, look at the last years. yes, turkey’s position in relation to nato has evolved a little, if earlier they perceived nato as a fetter, e, an organization that does not allow them to act as they want, then in recent years it has become louder and more often the following thesis sounds. turkey is nato nato is turkey without turkey in principle, nato does not exist, we are in charge there and we will decide there, therefore , on their own, of course, uh, the turks will not leave nato for them, this is hmm in general, as it were . impossible no such thing about
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legal impossibility, that's in the bolton article that you, uh, mentioned this case. it slips so slippery that he says for a long time, yes, there is no legal mechanism, but there is an international one. uh, legal legal concept. yes, uh, rebus sixtantebus, uh, according to which yes? that's how it sounds. hmm, you can break the treaty if the circumstances under which it would be concluded are changed, and uh, where bolton begins, the turks are members of nato, but uh, they do not act as allies, this is a change by the turks in recent years. e tech the very circumstances. yes, not very theoretical. when it comes to blackmail. we will not fit ourselves well, we will ask you to get other arguments to persuade erdogan. no, this is signing your own impotence, of course. and what? and what did he tell us? bolton means, blackmail and if anything, we will we will so use the
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opposition everything, that is, in principle, the same thing that happened recently in iran and what failed, you understand, that is, they really have new mechanisms to influence somehow on tuna, no, but the tour has a very there are many trump cards, and they are now demonstrating this, and the history of sweden and finland is a clear evidence of bolton, an unofficial person. that is to say, there are still, in principle, some other pressures at the present time, just a private person who was once an ambassador, what's the difference. he can be some smart official, but this is not this, not the official position of the united states, and more than that, two things are extremely unlikely, firstly, it is extremely unlikely that turkey will want to leave the stavronate, and secondly, it is extremely unlikely that nato will want to exclude turkey and will create it is advantageous for turkey to be in all problems for all. and a comedy with finland sweden from endlessly will continue.
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unfortunately for us, it's likely that since the united states really wants leadership. need to really want stockholm and helsinki to join nato and erdogan to continue. in general, try to squeeze the maximum out of this situation. he understands how much they want it. that's what this story is about. this story is about a tough , complex, long-term bargaining. this is not a story that nato and turkey are going to break off relations or that the united states of turkey is going to each other. there is somehow a real confrontation to enter into a real clinch. this is a story that there is a difficult complex bargaining going on, both sides are trying to raise rates, use tough, sharp rhetoric , some kind of threats, but how it will most likely end up with sweden, which is real if you look at the conditions on which in finland and sweden initially agree remember there were negotiations. there that turkey terrorists issue members. well, they didn't release it. well, uh, one or two conditions, objectively, they did not
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fulfill most of the conditions. they. by the way, there was a case in sweden when sweden sent someone to turkey whom turkey did not even ask for. that is, it is intentional in general to ignore. wait, about the bargain. listen, well, let's you somehow here i always have to do something , you somehow hmm lower the ground. so yes, especially the oriental oriental bazaar. there is a buyer and a seller, the buyer wants to buy something and the seller tells him there is 100 salt. yes, and the buyer says, you're crazy, my dear, five. salt is the red price. and so they start trading. that is, each of them has its own goal, the buyer wants to buy it cheaper, and the seller wants to sell it at a higher price. this means that this bargaining that must be conducted in turkey means, as i understand you, from the point of view of nato and, first of all, the united states, they want the swedes and bullshit to join as soon as possible. they say ok, i’ll add to the bargain just at the eastern bazaar, i was well, come on, so that the seller agrees to your terms, but say no
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well, then i went and slowly start to go out. and at this exit, he will catch you and say, okay. okay, let's take a second. wait. now let victor first say tasks, yes, but the goal is ah, here is turkey what is here, and the bass says that the turks there now do not perceive nato as what i consider myself to be the main country in nato there they are good. they say, well let the swedes and the finns enter. but then we get that , firstly, it is important for erdogan to show his people on the eve of the elections. including that he can bend nato steeply bend sweden europeans who resisted the entry , they offended, and they rejected something here for many years. and here he is able to somehow bend, it is necessary to make some concessions. this is the first second to say what the master put. here it is, for your people. yes, the second is to show what, and not show, eh? with certain unspoken guarantees from the united states and some european
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countries, they will not interfere with his re -election and will not destabilize the situation in turkey. the economic situation there is already difficult. there uh, it passes opposition consolidation process. yes, one of the reasons why he wants to move the elections, because he is afraid. and look that the opposition will be more consolidated. well, you are vladimir vladimirovich first, yes, supply weapons from the united states, so these are a number of issues that erdogan is trying to solve, using this situation, the smell is still there. it seems to me that there really is bargaining, which means everything that we have just said to georgi. hello everyone yan yan seryoga speaks to us, because the level of discussion makes me very upset so, first things first agreement, which will be because it was next. look, firstly, erdogan absolutely does not believe that the americans will not overthrow him. before the elections, they do not believe, and
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of course they do not believe, because there is such a coup. in the sense of pumping the opposition , strengthening it, arranging an economic crisis, you can buy a deal, this has absolutely no effect on this. this is two times, the bargaining goes according to a completely different principle, it goes according to the following principle. how much is the goods 140, yes, and those 100 salt. yes, give the goods, you don’t know to give twenty on top, then another thirty from above, completely 100% cosplays the european union, this is how if they behaved with turkey, they constantly set additional conditions. after fulfilling the previous ones , erdogan will make the agreement that was reached by those who read it. they saw that it was as blurry as possible, but in principle. keds fulfilled most of the points, and then after the conclusion of the agreement, erdogan speaks, no, i see this agreement differently. i think that here is like this, so you have to give me that one, if you don’t give it, sorry, parliament ratify erdogan threw the swedes and efins, and after signing the agreement, he will continue
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to do this until they consider it necessary here i say again, deals with the americans do not matter, erdogan sees an opportunity to milk it, he will do it. this behavior of his is absolutely correct and another important point in e. for us, what is happening good very good, because this is the situation where participation is better than victory yes as a result, sweden and finland will enter nato one way or another, but they will be with such scandals and with such internal, but with contradictions and with such precedents that turkey is now creating within nato that this will force a and the leadership of the country of the alliance member and others to draw very bad conclusions about future stability. nato news that's why the western media, when they write about what is happening around this sweden, turkish evening milking, as the finnish media call it, and evening? well , that very last moment is even more and more and more before the night, but they write that the main winner is putin and putin
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will remain, even if in the second part today we will talk about the phenomenon of putinism in general again. so you, in my opinion, did not quite agree with each other. i just agree with gevork that there are more, of course, i will say this. uh, there is more, of course, the economic component, and not just the supply of fighters there, which is not enough. he really is. he wants to give out the most different thing. erdogan is a conductor an ardent conductor of the idea of ​​fan-turkism. uh, we see this in his influence in central asia in central asia, it means relations with russia, so he a very inconvenient figure for the americans is that they, of course, sold turkey. how much they will pay for this to join sweden in finland it is obvious, but when elections take place in turkey, i think that the same situation will be used when they are recognized, the results will not be postponed and so on . and we erdogan is inconvenient, he is too
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bright for this, you understand, we must remove the last bright leader, whom they put in europe, we see one puppets, here are the presidents, so they don’t need turkey like that. this is what i would like to roll the americans, in fact gave erdogan. i just know this american sources. they gave him time until early april until early april time, for which there is no geese of their claims. this is understandable , because there will be a nato summit and , accordingly, every year it seems to take place physically. here he will say. no, don't give me kurds his house. he will say come on. all conditions are met, they are not even those conditions that were met by the hitting agreement. they don’t wait, secondly, i’m personally sure that the united states and the european union are doing everything so that there is no more erdogan, of course, this deal with is very simple. uh,
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really now in turkey a very serious economic crisis is aggravating out very easily, because the united states, so to speak, is the only one blocking turkey's financial flows, well, what will it be? here it is , plus it will still work, and do not forget that in the tenth package of sanctions, which should be discovered on february 23. there is in the last section very interesting and the use of secondary sanctions, as countries helping russia, that's all. so you will continue to help. sorry for today. excuse me european union excuse me 2 2.5 million turks work from germany just a little bit at the expense of russian tourism. and that's it. come on, we stopped everything. yes, we need to have a little one, so i did andrey vasilyevich take it off well, we understood this so
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have a need to discuss some issues related to the activities of the north atlantic alliance. we call there, the united states germany turkey a. well, now, lately, we have been talking about sweden and finland, which are not even members at all yet. nato it's probably not very correct to limit the circle yes, yes, yes, yes, smokers only to these countries, but because there are many interesting things in the behavior of hmm others, but members of this organization. for example, bulgaria yes how many years did they not skate in the nineties? yes, this means that soon 30 years will be a long time ago. at the same time. by some impulse. uh, probably, most of you, dear viewers, still consider bulgaria to be some kind of country close to us. well, somehow there is the warsaw pact with that's it. it
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was somewhere else, because bulgaria seems to be in nato. well, the devil knows what she is doing there. but just interesting news has arrived, and this is news that various european journalists have dug up, it turns out that bulgaria has been very actively helping ukraine militarily for several months now. only somehow makes it a mystery no one knew about it, that is, they do not come out. here, at some public platform, they start arguing whether to supply weapons or not to supply them, they supply them only in this way , you do it, well, no one would have heard about it. let's see already. a categorical no to the provision of military assistance to ukraine is a step towards the direct involvement of bulgaria in this conflict ; calls for peace are silenced instead of them militant rhetoric and calls for victory are heard, according to the german edition welt. while the rumen of the radios uttered these fiery speeches, bulgaria taina supplied kiev with diesel fuel and soviet-style shells, according
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to the former prime minister. bulgaria kiev pedkov. the bulgarians covered almost a third of ukraine's need for ammunition. this continued right up to august, deliveries went through the polish airport jeshu, or by land through romania and hungary, and they paid for everything, and they paid generously. the americans and the british, most of the diesel in ukraine was from bulgaria as well, despite the fact that there were no direct supplies of shells for ukraine coming through poland romania usa and uk were of bulgarian production. it was these supplies that were key to the war, zelensky very much. our government made a phone call saying that bulgaria was a key force in supporting ukraine at a very important moment in the war at its beginning. but that's not all walt claims that the idea to disconnect russia from the swift system at the beginning of last year also came from the bulgarian brothers, the same prime minister kirill petkov was the initiator. he also proposed to freeze the european assets of the central bank of russia; his proposal
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to disconnect russia from the swift payment system and many heads of state had concerns about freezing european bonds of the central bank of russia, but in the end the european commission supported it. this step took part in the exposure of the reactants. bloomberg listed it. what kind of military assistance kiev received from western allies according to this information, bulgaria secret sold 14 su-25 aircraft to kiev through intermediaries, there were rumors about the supply of other heavy weapons, but the official departments of bulgaria deny everything. with patients over the past year, the ministry of defense to anyone t-72 tanks not sold tanks are the property of the bulgarian army and are in our units in the decision of the people's assembly. it is clearly indicated that neither the t-72, nor the s-300, mig-29, or su-25 can be transferred to help ukraine. so vadim vadimchi, i should be
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surprised in connection with this news, or is it absolutely surprising, because you are informed in the role and so on. even georgia in 2008 , actively helped. therefore, what is shown here. this is no wonder the former prime petkov. this is a clinical russophobe with canadian passport. therefore, the fact that he did this, zero surprise is ba-bulgaria , uh, against us in the two world wars most of one participated in bulgaria , yes, and about the atlantics, most of the elite is about the atlantic. why did the secret? why did they do what? and, perhaps, ukraine is a secret. well , because a significant part of the bulgarian society. i do not agree with this. it is still not so russophobic, it is not perfect, not russophile, but not so russophobic to look for adventures at a time when you are here explain this here is the dissonance of the landing of society as a whole. we have our knees in the summer, we went to bulgaria and there almost everyone
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here who met a russian. i say, listen brothers. you are great. putin is well done and so on, but at the same time the top. as you yourself speak consistently, not just russophobic, but this pyramid is practically headed, like many orthodox strange ones, they are arranged in such a way that the top is torn off from the peoples in significance. although there is no unity here, the president of the radius is not at all a russophobe, but here is a former example of the ancestors of a russophobe, the current prime ministers, the former prime minister borisov rolled into one . yes, he is not a russophobe and not a russophile. it simply follows in the euro-atlantic format. there is nothing to be surprised here, bulgaria has not been our brothers for a long time, bulgaria has long been let it be, not a russophobic country, but the answer is trying to be a responsible member of the yesanat, let me remind you that during the great patriotic war of history it seemed to participate in the operation barbarosa against russia against the ussr, they really occupied, participated in the occupation yugoslavia along with the germans, but did not fight against russia, then for 40 years we were our
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allies in the warsaw pact, but this period ended long ago 30 years ago. they are members of nato and moreover for several decades. bulgaria has such a reputation, and the reputation of a hub for the illegal sale and transportation of weapons to various regions and to ukraine, remember the name of yemelyan gebrev, remember, who they wanted to eliminate just a few weeks ago, but turned over, yes, he says, the americans imprisoned him , he sat there for 14 years . how long did emelyan sit fucking at all because the americans they sponsor him completely, he is theirs, and his activities in sending weapons to ukraine to other hot spots completely satisfy them. only they still accused russia of trying to blow something up somehow. some of his warehouses, some attempts on his life , i tried poisoning, yes, fairy tales, but this is just one example, bulgaria has been doing this for a decade. why
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is there anyway. uh, well, there is shyness in this story, why do they react to it like that there is something they create in common with the reaction of germany, they don’t want to have an image of the country, so that the countries that are here, but are in direct conflict with russia. that is, it turns out that i, the germans, they have already created an image for themselves such that they don’t supply themselves. they do not want, no matter how much they want, but they are forced, but in fact . and they supply, and germany is one of the main suppliers in europe , weapons to ukraine. they would not want that, so the germans create an intention for themselves to return. what image? yes indeed it is generally bulgarian, in addition to money. uh, this is where an important argument comes into conflict. 2 theses in germany. they are articulated here. i think the same story victor is right. on the one hand, russia
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must be defeated on the other hand. we do not want to fight with russia why colleagues have already said that there is indeed fear and unwillingness to be the first and so on. it 's wait, second from here second second. yes, but i'm talking about that dissonance, which stinks. that's what he said, vladimir vladimirovich. it means that society has, as it were, yes with a prevailing attitude. and there are these german bosses with canadian passports there, it seems to me that they still have such a trauma of the second world war that applies to everyone, to everyone and every german really. it fluctuates a little more than usual, while the bulgarians , in theory, should not have this among the population. i didn’t say that it’s identical here, yes, well, the situation is not different, but fundamentally it’s really the same thing, this is the desire of the elites, of course, not society. yes, but to see the defeat of russia here in this empire and with on the other hand, the reluctance to somehow suffer directly by ourselves is better to the
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last ukrainian. i am not surprised at all by the disposition in which the authorities have their own, yes, er, attitudes in society. i can give an example on another. yes, for example, the same serbia, which also seems to be in the eu, well, then let's just say another country that is not european at all, but there is also this kind of dissonance, you know that this is a country and there are also secret supplies. yes, it's just good, we have prepared a story about pakistan no, let's we will make a vision. i just asked. what is the algorithm? yes, we will have alexander vuch. uh, recently made some unpleasantly harsh statements for russia. he spoke out to the donbass, and in the crimea, we tried to understand, and what is this sudden harshness connected with? this week, serbian president aleksandar vučić, in an interview with bloomberg, spoke about whose crimea he confirmed the serbian position that the peninsula is part of ukraine, while he
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unexpectedly stated that for serbs and donbass is also ukrainian territory we support the territorial integrity of ukraine how we support the territorial integrity of serbia and then, when we start discussing this, they ask me well, and crimea is ukraine or russia is part of ukraine donbass is part of ukraine if you ask us and we will not change our attitude at the beginning of the week the serbian press claimed that rt allegedly launched a website in serbian , in which it published advertisements. she will volunteer for a special operation in ukraine to learn how to set up here. resolutely in in relation to those who suffer because they did not punish tchaikovsky, dostoevsky and tolstoy, serbia accepted everyone from russia and russian is our native language we are the only country in europe that has not adopted 35 declarations against russia a. what are you doing in serbia why are you calling serbs? wagner when do you know that it violates our laws? most
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likely, vucic was prompted to talk about some kind of recruitment of serbs, the united states state department adviser derek schollet, during a recent visit to serbia, said that the americans want the activity of mercenaries the quote to neutralize, in addition, will teach them to put pressure on the pokosovo issue and on the introduction of anti-russian sanctions, russia and serbia, despite everything, continue to cooperate, but they believe that serbia may come to yield. if they tell me to impose sanctions. tomorrow i may have to do it at the risk of something much more. than pressure. at the moment, for almost a year now, we remain a country that has not done this, showing its courage, decisiveness and independence in decision -making very timely in the german edition dietside. there was a material that the president of serbia can again be tamed, you just need to threaten to stop the candidates for a member of the european union and at the same time scare the termination of financial support,
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but vučić announced that he was a wolf. either she doesn’t perform in the circus , my daughter is not with me 20 years old, and 15 years ago i took her to the circus and remembered. what is the largest animal there, it is an elephant, and the strongest tiger. and when you talk about taming a vučić, then a wolf, i have not seen a circus, not a vučić. not a wolf. so elena larin is possible in bulgaria, but you will get it some kind of domestication began. yes, it means that in bulgaria it is from this situation, which we now have, it is not new. i agree with my colleagues, which means brothers, but there are two points that you should definitely pay attention to. our first diesel. where did they ship from? burgas lukoil i think that there should be some kind of special investigation. we supply oil there, and refine it there, and then oil products go to refuel equipment in ukraine with which they kill weapons that kill our soldiers. we just have this position
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we assumed lukoil. it might come up they claim they sell 500 to small, uh, small buyers and basically nothing just to the domestic market. where does this result come from then, so elena vladimirovich what could it be? how do you study? i think this is a case for our internal investigation, because this needs to be stopped. this is the death of our people. this is the first, second. who is petkov? this is a graduate of harvard university, and whoever was, that rzhevkov, he studied in the soviet union, we finally have to also draw conclusions from the fact that, as the americans prepared their own cadres and now they have grown to lead them around serbia, here is the third moment on sergius very briefly. so, it reminds me more and more of yanukovych, even external ones signed here all agreements on e , with the support of the eu, agreements with the opposition on ending the crisis were being prepared in the eu tel from
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russia with and, as it were, sitting between two chairs, and what russia offered or can offer i will study the russian minister for foreign citizens, i can’t fly to belgrade, i will finish the last sentence, which means if serbia is one thing - a statement, if serbia, uh, really, uh, join the sanctions, it will actually start deliveries to ukraine of anything warring, fighting with us on the sidelines, has already begun. yes, so we also need to reconsider our attitude towards serbia, primarily economic ones, because there will be economic difficulties for the people. there is still a pro-russian serb set up there. i think it's better than before. quiet means, serbia, a-a vučić said, everything is absolutely correct, and he explained why he said it, there is a kosovo precedent, you learn under fear he cannot recognize the death penalty, neither the crimea nor the
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goats, but neither the cream nor the donbass exactly, just as comrade xi cannot recognize, nor the crimea did not wait. he has his own taiwan. if you recognize the crimea and the crimean precedent, he thereby subscribes to the recognition of independence simply no. he must say this to ask him, he must articulate the position. we, judging by the deeds, promised to still give an opportunity for serbia, let's, i absolutely agree. and let me remind you that recently another friendly country has appeared. her foreign minister made a similar statement. this is iran. yes , the head of the iranian foreign ministry said, we don't recognize it either, so it really should be judged solely on deeds. iran has a vivid example there, on the one hand, one rhetoric. they ca n't speak really differently from the other side. there are things. you all know what the deeds and position of the supreme leader are. well. so, the fact that the country, uh, sometimes experiences dissonance here, that in power there can be one among the people, the other is in fact, well, nothing strange about that. no. why did i mention pakistan
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it would seem a completely different story, but in fact the same thing on the one hand, the policy of maintaining neutrality in ukrainian on the other hand. there are military men who stir up their game. yes, and there is a people who don’t care at all what the slavs are doing there, while the military carries out absolutely the same deliveries, everything secret through britain is the same, which means the secret corridor and so on. here are friends today, this one, this one, this russian ukrainian conflict. he many countries put in a very difficult position, when sometimes you have to speak, then. let's take a break now, come back again, as we do all the time. this season, already to our questions, and today we are just talking about the people, such a little philosophical conversation should be, but it seems to me, it will be very interesting. so a few minutes break and continue. don't miss the events and people of the week on central television, ukraine
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we support our vladimir vladimirovich. why did the liberals call the interview of askar the coachman kholuy? i support my country and the boys who give their lives. what traits of putin's supporters do westerners dislike so much, the putin man is the same soviet man. and what about the putin era will be written in textbooks stories. he wants to make russia great again about it right now. sorry , this meeting place creaks on ntv, a place where everything becomes clear. we continue with these before we get to our internal questions here. i'll just remind you for a moment about my affairs, dear viewers, that you can watch a concert program of a different format in russia. already in february the fourth i
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will arrive, pskov on february 11, nizhny novgorod on february 12, the city of bor and looking ahead i invite muscovites on march 17 to the cinema house big hall. we have already started selling tickets. here, and you can see all the details on my website andrey norkin dot rf is written in russian cyrillic. that's all, i said this now to the topic that i am. proanosiroval as potentially very interesting, then. helped us, oddly enough, mister blow mister, dud finally decided to invite a person who supports putin to talk. well, if you watched some of his footage, then as a rule, there are such critics. ah, here he called a man whom yuri dud himself perceived, how supporting putin turned out to be not unambiguous, frankly, i did not watch the entire interview with oscar kuchra, our colleague on
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the ntv channel vanya watched, in my opinion, in pieces. yes, 3 hours to watch. well, there is understand, i also read, which are forced. yes, this is to do a big thank you to them, because in fact there really are some interesting points. and firstly, following the results of this conversation. uh, there was such a phrase homo putinus putin's man there so, it can lead here it appeared in the western press. that is, as if formally, here, who came to visit a journalist, an foreigner dude, and a journalist, actor oscar kuchera, he is putin's man. we have now shown it to you. i say putin supports. but then the nuances begin. we will now show you some fragments from this interview and uh hmm you need to understand here, really. what is the position of a person, it seems, as in the words of a supporter of putin, because he first says white . some time passes, he is talking about exactly the same thing, he says black. he actually supports
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do not support. in general, the meaning is that this khoma putinus is a man, probably, maybe he ’s just not very smart, which is why they invited this particular story to be boring. and i say, that's about the term itself, that is, a putin man is a man who is not very educated in the western press. naturally, so stupid. that's what you tell him, what putin tells him there, he will do. well , i don’t know, i’m somehow not ready to agree with this. let's see already. i support my country and the boys who give back to theirs life. i support and i will support. why did you volunteer for me, because i don't think this war is right to the end. it remained unclear the attitude of the coachmen to the strategic enemy of the united states. at first, the artist accuses the americans of fomenting the ukrainian conflict, but then it turns out that his youngest son has an american passport. yes, i do not accept the policy of america well, they simply categorically do not accept it regarding ukraine. yes, i
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believe that they could have stopped it already. for a very long time, and they support in arms. they stuff weapons, they test this weapon, but it doesn't work. we will make a passport. usa yes, of course it would be foolish not to do it just for the reason that, and he was born, there was such an opportunity, and i believe that whoever would not have done. it's just a fool oskar kuchera explains that he supports the president of russia , says that the logic of putin's actions is clear to him, but then it turns out that it seems to be not completely clear, if putin is now on the side of russia, then i support putin on side. now i have a feeling that yes, and the further it goes, the more. yes? now, yes, they support vladimir putin, in what i will now tell you honestly, i am trying to somehow understand, in general, what is happening. it is difficult for me to support or not support a person when i do not understand the logic of his actions. the last quote of the coachman is almost identical to
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the plant of the rapper bird. uh, in our studio about a month ago. he then admitted that he supported the special military operation of the guys fighting for our country, but not very much. understands what exactly is happening now in ukraine, and you can make a video that will explain what we are doing there in an understandable , accessible language with the words berry, i absolutely do not condemn mine. by the way, i am one of those people who supported the word i am just an attack for those who support russia today but do not try to understand or study the history and context of what is happening. yes , the other day there was a runaway break and on agent alexander rodnyansky. zinoviev coined the term homa sovieticus, and yesterday yura dud demonstrated the next step in the evolution of man in the putin era. khoma putinus. he is quite well-off , pathologically ignorant, but he is confident in himself, he has an opinion on any issue, but in none there is competence. he believes
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that everyone at the top knows the best at the end of the interview. i had the feeling that i was driving with a taxi driver in sochi or voronezh for 3 hours as the main feature of a man of the putin era and agent rodnyansky considers an insult to the west of ukraine on his tolerance six months before rodnyansky about a man of the putin era journalists on agent sergei medvedev, putin's man is the same soviet man, infantile, dependent on the state, looking from the point of view of state necessity, as if a degraded copy of the soviet man in fact. this is soviet man minus minus collectivism and soviet man plus grievances. centimeter, because, in my opinion, the soviet person did not have this feeling of resentment. well, here's another discussion about those who consider themselves today the russian intelligentsia in exile. we can say that all these are followers of zinoviev and philosophy. they believe that a man of the putin era is only interested in the russian
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national idea, but the greatness of the nation can only be achieved with the use of brute force , the country in which the national idea lives, and uh, my grandmother called my ears frostbite, it seems to me that it’s not sour, my eyes opened a little when i saw. the scale of the bewitchment of this insult is not knowledge, not quick wit, enterprise, nor unworthiness, is not a national idea, but a national idea is the power of arrogance and rudeness so, italy andreevich, do you have putin or not? oh and that you are investing some concept, then you already know, i would rather say about the people who are now trying to disperse this concept. before that, the same concept about the soviet people was dispersed. at first they didn't like the tsar, then i didn't like the general secretary. now i don’t like putin and i liked it, only one single era the era of boris
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nikolayevich yeltsin when russia stood on one leg, it could be urged on by the west and it did not have its own voice in the grand arena. ok then. this is the epoch. come on, let's, no matter what names they came up with. here, i would come up with my own, probably, some name that everything exists, you hear. you want to be, yes, just a second, just a second, when you say that, they will say about look. yes, look, serukhanov confirms our thesis that he was offended by all forces. she calls them assholes in verse. so, i 'll ask differently, wait 150 years. well, wait, vitaly andreevich, wait. let's leave them aside. do you agree that over there in recent years? uh, there really was some kind of new man of the putin era, if we talk about it. from a positive point of view,
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they are exclusively negative, or is it married, we have not changed at all. we are like, well, every era has its own time has some kind of appearance. you can then some eras of some kind of this person, as if who had awakened ambitions, if we compare, again with the late soviet period with the period. i do not know yeltsin's rule, then putin's man - this is a person who knows what he lives for , he understands that he does not want to leave that burden of problems that he probably left with his parents, that he wants to transfer russia to his children and grandchildren in a longer format, in fact. perhaps this is such a long one. returning home imperial ambitions need no self-respect. yes, this scale is normal. so then what do i remind a homo asshole? thanks to the tolerance of the components. now we will see how you, firstly, but it seems to me, the assumption that the leader
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even nations that have been sitting for so long, as putin is already more of a galley slave, as i remember now, the very assumption that the leader of the nation, although he has been sitting and working for a long time. maybe somehow seriously influence the mindset of 150 million people seems rather strange to me, because absolutely in any era. in any case, there were people who stood on diametrically opposed social positions. here, under alexander iii, we were sitting and, probably, the black hundreds were perfectly satisfied. yes, so this is the first thing that is the score that appeared sincerely urge everyone on both sides of the sailor. there, we really get cold hard on those who are for specials. the walkie-talkie is there for putin and for the empire in general, and then for those who are against, whom i don’t like today, i call on everyone. let 's understand simple things here. first, you do not need to accuse your opponents of being morons and idiots and not understanding anything. they
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assure you. yeah, on each side of these barricades there are people whom i personally have had for many years. well i know, yes, and who are quite definitely smart. yeah say what you say second. so not it is necessary to consider her opponent a moron and a fool , i absolutely agree when they just started talking. you said that oscar kucherra was invited to this interview precisely because he is, to put it mildly, not very good. eh, well, a convenient interlocutor. yes, as an interlocutor, he is convenient, you can twist him, please explain, that was enough. he repeatedly himself admits. e his limited in general intellectual abilities. he doesn’t understand politics at all like that, that is, it’s the same as this interview, this is an average an actor who is not included in the political process does not understand very well, and does not even pretend to understand any political processes. uh, it's all about interviewing
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a barista. here from some institution in moscow or st. petersburg and discuss with him where political issues are. yes? provocation, as it were, of course, of course, it was done. i am sure that this was done intentionally in order to show what is so average. and if this forgive god borista. supports like this the barista who supports putin’s special operation supports, uh, dudu, it’s interesting to know, and why the dude who prepares coffee, he will not support, if you look at him saying putin there is one important point that runs through the whole right there for the most part for the most part, and the conversations for that, which at least the part that i watched. he says that yes, he does not really understand the reasons for what is happening, but as a man who loves russia and as a
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patriot of russia, he supports the country itself country, even if he does not understand what she is doing, it is worthy. this support in itself is worthy of his patriotism, of course, respect. just respect for this dignity . everything else is just boris borisovich there he constantly says here that no one supports operations there, well, but well, no one, uh, here. faith that returns , he constantly returns to freddie ivy, judging by all the extensive that kuchera gave him, why does he return, he always wants to hook his interlocutor and show to bring down his interpretation and show how his logic is completely careless and meaningless, that is, and this interview was deliberately initially prepared as discrediting for those who support the special operation or who support, uh, the authorities in russia, again, the russian authorities can be treated as you like and criticized . i often criticize, but at the same time it is
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obvious that this action itself, the dude had discreteness, and mr. rodnyansky says to the agent that he is a portrait of a typical one. what is she called putin's man, maria maria, that is, a person who supports the president, supports the country, the site does not make any difference between this, but does not understand what is happening as far as what to answer. these people, who are getting to know this, have put it. to be honest, when i read the comments and heard the comments, and this comrade was foreign. and i thought that he, er, if everything else is removed. about who. it's actually being talked about. i thought they were describing the average american , look, then, uh, a person who completely blindly trusts the authorities completely blindly. let's take an example. if we look at the statistics on jury acquittals here, then there are americans in america. they so stubbornly believe the state that even with a jury, the
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percentage of acquittals is 0.3%, in russia, by the way, 30. if we are talking about courts with participation. uh, the jury, then, this time then it means what is written there about ignorance. well, friends, in my opinion, you have seen enough of the ignorance of the americans. well, if we compare, we still have a cultural nation, well, yes, there are all sorts of elements, but then yes e as for, here are the types and problems of just something. well, listen to america more now than and as for the split, but we're generally taking a break, compared to what 's going on in the united states right now, so in my opinion. just collecting all some negative characteristics of the us is also hundreds of thousands of people, i can leave for a few months. i you let the woman finish. thank you please. here, that is, in fact, when you talk about a complex of qualities that are unpleasant for you and add some prefix there. this in fact, it doesn’t say anything, which means,
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does such a thing exist, but the features of the current generation, but do not exist, are undoubtedly connected with it. are they connected to the leader? yes? certainly related in this sense, i can say that i am a representative of this era, because i remember the nineties. even though i was small, i was not yet quite a child. and then i remember the time and what the italians are saying here now, i agree to appear. las, and actually a feeling, actually dignity, ambitions appeared. unfortunately, incredible pragmatism has emerged, and it outweighs spirituality. this should be noted. now some others. here are the changes, and then, but today's generation of young guys. today i was just in one of the moscow schools, i gave a short lecture there. we talked, i would say it's tenacious thinking, but that's about. excessive pragmatism can be explained by this pragmatism, what
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viktor zhozevich asked about, that our people have now left the country, fearing that they will be involved in solving some state tasks, and they will be better you give me some kind of conditions there. today in my school audience, i just had such a question and it was about how they say we should be, if we are isolated from europe, you know, i allowed myself to answer a question with a question. i said, are you ready to kowtow to the west, no matter what the guys have. well, that is already yes? yes oh actually many of the guys. after that, i saw this eyes fortunately fortunately thought about what i asked. what's the price that's how low you're willing to graze crawl in legs. here's the question, if you describe them as guys, well, the typical representatives are defined. a generation, that is, they don't care, well, not in the first place, but somewhere nearby they are
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wondering. but how can we live without europe, that is, they probably traveled, who is this europe, looking at everything, which is still not clear. this is not russia-centric thinking , it is rather outside, they are going and they ask you how they can live without europe, but they are interested in the following, but in fact the guys. i didn’t always say inquisitive people are interested in what the new world order is. they don't understand it, like most of us. that is, they now here we have declared. yes, that is, this is not a quick process of reorientation, for example, to the same east, it is not like that, that is, these are huge layers that are happening now in consciousness, therefore, naturally. young people feel this even ahead of us and they ask. ok then. if we are not europe, what is in isolation? i understood, i understood, then i understood, maybe then we will show another one, because this is khoma putin's phrase from this scale. actually with homa sovieticus. we have a famous books are in no way his relatives. well, nevertheless, this is a resurrection, but from a book e grain in her
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eighties. there, all this was presented with rather ironic clues, in fact . you are a representative of some more backward past. soviet man mutated into homo putin he is a cynical and vindictive man in the yard 2022 the kremlin launched a full-scale war against neighboring ukraine and portrays russia as a besieged fortress defending itself from hostile west is a fresh definition of the czech edition, from which no good return follows. khoma sovieticus, the authors did not observe a similar manner a few years ago, russian journalist vladimir pozner spoke. it was still a kind of. damage said one thing thought another. it can't be. exactly this. main. posner knows what he is talking about and he himself has repeatedly admitted that he was working as a soviet propagandist. he talked
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about values ​​and beliefs that he himself did not believe. this disbelief and at the same time opportunism is criticized as one of the main features of motivitirus. in hindsight, it's even cute. well , yes, he shouted, hooray drank vodka at demonstrations, hung chasing on the wall, mined blue czech tiles and knew that the ussr was better than america because in america they hang a black man. but, to be honest, i didn’t really believe in it, just as i didn’t believe in marxism-leninism either. vciom specialists set up an experiment, starting from the eighty-ninth every 4 years. they offered our citizens to fill out the same questionnaire and if in the early nineties in there were a lot of answers about tolerance and craving for freedoms, then from the ninety-fourth the reverse process began. as an example , 75% of the russians surveyed cite such figures for the year 2000. they regretted the collapse of the ussr
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, they lacked collectivism, a creative attitude to work and the feeling that you are at home everywhere. every third explained nostalgia. loss of a sense of belonging to a great power. the western press persistently urged the russians to break with the soviet past , so to speak, it prevents them from building a bright future. in the mid-nineties, under the influence after a serious economic crisis, democracy became a dirty word for many russians, russian society succumbed to fatigue and apathy. the nostalgia for the soviet period began to grow, the current glorification of victories and the whitewashing of stalin became possible because today's russia has virtually no idea of ​​​​the future just mediocre, it cannot be a model for the present. you can't be great again. if you weren’t great before, how much this backpack of homos is, you see, kusa pulls us into the
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past, or is it still a rethinking that us into the future, on the contrary, only strengthens the road. ah, but i'll start sinning now. eh, these are all generalizations. you see, i generalized all the generalizations, and they contain a false message, because e homo sovieticus - this generation is also the generation of my e, grandfathers. this is the generation of war. these are some people of the soviet era. there is a generation of my parents - these are others. and i myself. well, i can no longer be called a homo adviser, because most of my life has already passed in the russian federation in somewhat different conditions, you were formed under the influence. probably, i was formed under the influence and e was formed, and therefore vladimir is more at a turning point and under the influence
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of former khomassovets or people who remained khomusorik my parents are only people , their parents, that is, the complex message is that it’s impossible now somehow here’s one color take and draw this illusion help. just like the homutinus, this is an illusion, because a person who was born and raised under putin is one person, an inner free person. this is not a flogged generation, damn it, but a person who was born before the nineties. these are generally different people, but they are trying to cover up both of them. here they are all homo putin because uh and so i would not sin like that, because well, well, they took kucherov said, they are all like that, of course not. all people are different. well then no. well i agree. we probably here should accept victor's version of the same problem. it was such a story, obviously, reminiscent of a provocation, in order to come up with just what else we could be cursed with in some way, but on the other hand. i believe that italy andrey also
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said in the evening absolutely, correctly, because to deny that there is any definite influence of the head of the country. yes, the formation of some qualities of character in the younger children. well, that's also impossible. i'll add this, if i may. let's go up to 12. weather the putin era is one epoch. the twentieth from the twelfth is the second age. and now we are in the third age. if dmitry ivanovich allows. not too much, the epoch somehow turns out. we lived, live and will live in the same era in the era of putin. it began long ago and is far from over. this is the first, the second what was homassoveticus? and what a collar putinus i am deeply convinced that people in the eighties eighties and people of the late nineties zero and today at various and within these periods. these people are completely different, what distinguishes in my opinion
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a person of the putin era a russian person a russian citizen is an activism activity. and never in our history, except perhaps the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries, have there been so many active people who would create the end of the 1980s. end of the century. i think that i mean dmitry ivanovich and a little bit different activity. uh-huh , what are you saying, it was activity e forced, because it was necessary to increase and this active movement was called to live i know how to spin dmitry ivanovich it seems to me that he is talking about the process of another about economic activity. both activities are associated with promotion, but on the basis of freedom and dignity. i am convinced that such industries are acceptable even as agriculture. new agriculture, not that alcoholic. excuse the seventies
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eighties, which could not produce elementary goods. yes, the telecommunications industry. this is most obvious they can be straightened. fifth tenth they were created by new active people. and these people, which means that today this putin majority dominates the coalition on which relied on the power that putin relied on at the turn of the century. there in the nineties at the beginning of the 2000s, it was so paternalistic. there were a lot of state employees there. there were supporters, a lot of clean order today. these people have become completely different, thanks to putin there are fewer, of course, now there are more active people, these new people now, but there are more people with a middle-class consciousness. putin has more than five new people have inherited from those same homosaks. how much in common do you describe certain points, of
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course. i would agree for the most part but this backpack, he left, or he dropped the backpack, these paternalists of the group, about whom we are talking, who are characterized, so to speak. depending on the constant requests of the state, help the state, not they, of course there is, but their share is constantly decreasing people became independent for how much in 2011, that same protest movement of the eleventh and twelfth years bolotnaya yes, it arose, because that a part of the population arose, including yes, which was able to realize itself, uh, and uh, so to say somehow to declare under putin without putin these groups, which are these groups, which then presented certain political demands on the system. it just wouldn't be. it would simply not be, of course, today the country today in 2023 is completely different at the beginning than
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at the end of the nineties. all. fine. let's go man, putin is completely different than a man. you live soviet, but igorevich and mikhail borisovich are still like that well, from the speech. you understand that just no one would have been born. if putin had not become president, then, apparently, after the people there would be no one in this you understand the field, uh, i won’t be rude. there wasn’t, most likely, technical progress. it would not have happened either, so there were no phones. precisely , you would hardly even have ntv. that's where you heard it from. i don’t know that somehow today i didn’t really look at your counterargument, the interview was being prepared for transmission and i watched all 3 hours of the poor interview, that’s why you are like this now. well, i had affairs with them all at the same time, who did i handle, but, well, the important thing, uh, because the most important thing in the whole interview, that first of all no provocation, if you look at everything, no provocation. this is one person who does not understand anything, and he admits this for 3 hours talking about a
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problem about which you do not understand anything, and all of this person, who most likely does not understand very deeply either, this is a problem. and 13 million people are watching this. 13 million people have watched the dialogue, which i will tell you nothing, how good are these numbers, 11 million. it is clear that a lot of people have looked at this topic. understandable conclusion that i do not understand anything from me, most likely nothing depends. up there it's better to know. are there many people, unfortunately, there are many such people, because over the past 30 years people have become accustomed to the fact that it would be better not to participate in politics, but my well-being has definitely increased since the late nineties , people's well-being has begun to rise, the rise in world oil prices and people cease to be politically active, these two topics are connected by the fact that i stop going to the polls. i stop choosing power, but i'm doing well. everything will be fine. as a result, on
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elections often come by something a person, so on their own, yes, percent of a person on their own, and then osta that is, people, but this is back to the interview with rodnyatsky, they are surprised. and how did it happen. and why did the country come to such a state? i am to this state. this is our february with you, just how did we get to february 24, but we didn’t get there, nor did we reach participation in politics until february 24, please, all these three hours there is speed very quickly with my wife so that somehow with his wife, that is, alone were afraid. yes, something half she half, then she told me, in principle, the same thing, for 3 hours they talked, in principle, about one question. well, how do you feel about putin, or there , as he says, you know, i don’t understand anything, well, i love my army. eh, and when
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i don’t betray her, then he says. well listen. well, putin is still not very good. well, i don't understand him, how is he? i do not understand anything. he says, well, listen, well. say it's bad to him . no, i can't say what kind of collective conclusion you and your wife came to . points of view and spouses. we agreed that, well, to be honest, we chose, of course, a character in order to talk about putin. yes, this is a typical character, yes, or it is just a very atypical one. i think it's a character. and generally call putin. yes, a person got involved as soon as he could. how in a frying pan, so as not to say something to a liberal audience that would curse him, but at the same time, so that in russia it would be possible to return it back, yes, and get some kind of contract here, yes, that is, such a person. that's very peculiar, but understands that the most important thing was to say. this is what he will not betray in the army, probably, he feels that this is the most. well, such a punishable place, if he
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considers it a finger for me, it was nonsense and falsity, anything from the other side. that's what you imagine a person asks one for 3 hours. this is actually no such interrogation. you tell me says, well , i can not completely my audience. i must finally hear from you that putin - this is bad. he says, well i can't say it. and here's a big progress to agree, and here everything is so and did not say this phrase to the end. although he dodged, how could you be so impressed by this interview that even our editors noted that some actor 's abilities unknown to us were revealed to you. he tried to portray something of himself, to be honest, because i love love the theater. i see that he was playing. so in the end. distract yourself from this touching interview of khoma putin with a man of the putin era, whether he exists or not, you know. i
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think that there are various authorities, but a person remains the same in all authorities. he is only placed in those circumstances that change his behavior. here. soviet times in fact, there was no soviet people, because then in the ninety-first year, and i don’t know, there would have come out, people with opposite views in the soviet. yes, and there would have started a civil war, but this informal began there 20 million members of the cpsu and, in my opinion, 60 million members of the komsomol. and these 80 million did not show themselves at all, defending their soviet beliefs there, it doesn’t matter. how many were there? i just mean that in reality it is not soviet power failed to create a soviet man, and today's man does not change. it simply gives today more and opportunities for development. yes, a person is more free today, including in economic terms, and has the opportunity. here i am, to be honest,
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my relatives in soviet times do not understand the opposition part at all. where would you speak? where all of you would perform on the soviet channel in the kitchen, you would sit and tell us that dachas, like me. zvezdets, would not sit here and tell no one anything. and then there are contradictions here. e turns. that is, rotamani, no, no, no, you did not understand me. oh, that is, it turns out that if there is a new government, new circumstances, then people will adapt to this. and then it doesn’t matter at all where they are, their opposition is tougher . why, how soviet it drove people into the absolute impossibility of activism. yes, and this is absolutely not a property of myself, i’m telling you now about what will happen. the terrible era will end or there will be a return to the soviet union. but all active people will become inactive, but there will be more people will be given a broad view of what is happening.
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good now about this future. let's. we will stop now, just now i would like to continue about the circumstances, because it’s like the phenomenon of the path of nism, in my opinion, this was already two years ago, as everyone agreed with this that it exists. at least we talked about this for a very, very long time. let's continue in a few minutes. the mathematician who predicts everything listen to his american champion. i will say. let all people know the afghan prophet mathematician who warned gorbachev about the collapse the soviet dog unions calculated in advance the exact time of the terrorist attack in america and named the date of our victory special operation in ukraine
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rubles. call by phone or order on our website leomax. .ru this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we ah-ah continue about putinism. let's get back to this term, to this concept, and we stopped. here on the fact that we agree that, yes, some qualities are separate there, that's the individual person. well, there is the quality of society. they, of course, are formed due to the circumstances that take shape here putinism. well, i was trying to remember now, i don't remember when the term came about. we already talked about this a few years ago, of course. this is, as it were, the wording of our foreign friends. come on, we'll have time to see one more of our material. in fact , the motivations of putinism are deeper than it's generally accepted that you can't understand what's going on in russia and what putin has done if you don't admit that. let me
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borrow that phrase. he wants to make russia great again, many of his actions, both in domestic politics and in foreign policy, are aimed at making this his vision a reality. russia under putin primarily relies on family and traditional values, amendments to the constitution made in 2020 determined family as the main value of russia and children were named a priority of state policy in 2007 of the year. in order to support families with children , maternity capital is paid, the law on the protection of russians from lgbt propaganda was adopted. the constitution clearly states that marriage is a union of a man and a woman for our country, for the entire russian society, extremely significant traditions are dear. and family values. oddly enough, this honestly sometimes causes controversy, we even hear criticism in our address in russia, and much attention is paid
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to what is called the friendship of peoples in 2003 , amendments were made to the criminal code, toughening responsibility for inciting hatred or humiliation of a person on the grounds of gender, race, nationality, language of origin or religion in 2004, a new holiday, the day of national unity, appeared in russia. here is what vladimir putin said last spring about examples of heroism during a special operation in ukraine. what to be proud of being part of the people of russia i am a russian person in the family around ivan but when i see examples of such heroism. how will the young guy nurmagomed, gadzhimagomedov, natives of dagestan, laks by nationality of others our warriors? i want to say i'm lages. i am dagestan. i am a chechen. ingush russian tatar jew, mordvin, ossetian, another characteristic feature of the putin era is the strengthening, the
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country's foreign policy is an attempt to destroy the unipolar world after the president's munich speech in 2007. opposition to the west. especially the us led. almost to a new cold war, but russia returned its influence in latin america in the middle east, strengthened friendship with india and china, what is a unipolar world, no matter how it decorates this term in ultimately means in practice only one thing is one center of power. one center of power one center of decision this is a world of one master of one sovereign, and this is ultimately destructive not only for all who are within this system, but for the sovereign himself, because it destroys him from the inside. and this has nothing to do, of course, with democracy and, finally, one more important component. faith is the only,
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perhaps fundamentally new, feature of today 's russia that was not in the soviet union , it was under putin that the 80-year church schisms of the russian orthodox church abroad reunited with the moscow patriarchate in russia are rebuilding the destroyed churches and building a new, most important milestone of the law on the protection of feelings, believers in 2013 to its adoption, pushed the scandalous punk, the prayer service of the fusiraet group in the temple. christ the savior in the western press believes that all of these factors are part of the imperial thinking of president putin; the religion that putin worshiped was not at all the ideology of marxism-leninism, which forced him stuffed at school, and the heroic manifestations of the power of the superpower that he saw on television and the imperial splendor of his entailed, but still ambitious hometown of the city of pet tak e vladimirovich, you said that this is the formation and concept of khoma putinus putin's man. you see a false
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premise. and if we are talking about putinism, is it some kind of real new ideology, or is something here also impossible to generalize like that. well, i'll give my opinion. i believe this new ideology. right now they are trying to create it, that is, it does not exist yet. here are the ideologies what we are now here are examples of, it is a set of e, often disparate proposals, and from which in the end they want to build some kind of more or less understandable paradigm in which russian society can develop. society. something opposes that this idea is abandoned , something is perceived with a bang, and it continues to be promoted. but in the end, now there is no ideology, as such, and they are only trying to find it in some way to create it, if it is based on what we have listed, maybe not everything. as you can see this one. can a pattern that can combine all this with an ideological appearance? how can you
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bring it all together when combined to this ideology? e autocracy autocracy, orthodoxy of the people everything. but you also often talk about this calmly, calmly . so i will subscribe to all of them, and they have been very well verified now in the plot and chronologically arranged, this is the first one. the only thing i would add is, firstly, on the topic of ideology. here i agree, they are trying to grope and form it, what is it? in principle , i will add one more element, and russia is a geopolitical power, so after all, we should also talk about foreign policy. here one cannot remain silent with the question, but there is a lot of polarity of the world, because in principle, er, well, he is. kite from the topic of friendship of peoples stems from it, although we
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are talking about domestic policy in this case, but also on foreign policy. and this is also reflected, because without conditional there is the concept of multipolarity. okay, and on your sight. how hmm high the chances are high. eus, here is a really successful creation of such an ideology, because we seem to have abandoned the ideology of the state altogether. but no, i think that it will form, but you understand, unfortunately, there is only through the thorns to the stars. you know how i'm just now working on the text of the script and i can tell you that sometimes you have to rewrite one document 1,000 times. and here it is to crystallize. here is the name. this is the idea of ​​an ideology, because even this more precise formulation of the idea is required. i i think it's a lot of time. then you can here borisovich people who are true, as such and obligatory, but no chance
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to create an ideology based on what was shown here. there is orthodoxy, there is imperial sovereignty, and so on, there is no main simple reason. it all fits well. i don't like the terms komosometik with this is wrong different people were, but it fits very well in the heads of those who are 60-70 years old. this is exactly right. well, here they were. i also perform in front of high school students, but it's impossible to go there impossible. i'm talking about yours. i'm not talking about politics at all. you can, of course, i'm giving lectures back on one topic. there, everything about the coat of arms of russia is patriotic absolutely yes, in the head of these guys, who cannot be invested for 20 years. here is the content. here it absolutely does not lay down. why invest in the sense that they have nothing. and there in the head, they themselves can think so in a completely different reality. they live in reality. not
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these stories about the greatness of their ancestors there and so on. here in reality youtube yes no by chance, the brightest patriots of youtube want to ban boris in russia further, dear comrades. let me talk to you, let me give you an example from my personal life. wait far. we've been on foot a year for several years now. yes, we celebrate under two time zones in moscow and ufa, since my relatives are soulless minus their wives, they are in ufa. we are always five minutes to 12 in ufa there, among other family members. there is my niece, her sister's daughter died when we call, and on tv at that moment putin says girls 7 years old. and she demands from us congratulating each other. sorry to shut up because eavesdrop on the president. to be honest, i say, ofigel. me, by the way, that's
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all. okay, it's all right. i see there is no other, we stop to hell with the unification of orthodoxy more than just the parish, do you know where the ukrainian patriarch had orthodox? guess from two ukrainians. now everything is going great. the only bad thing is that you didn’t hear what vladimirovich said 40 minutes ago, this is a generalization, but you keep talking . may i be nikolay igorevich? yes what such is certainly important about the ideology of the need for the soviet period, and, uh, modern, that in soviet times there was an ideology. she led, uh, the state to collapse. she then turned out to be wrong , wrong, but she was, uh, part of the ideas, for example, it's bad to steal. yeah, uh, bad government cutter. but this is actually somewhat correct in the bible, when we are talking about this now in our disk
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, some naive people even make me smile when i talk about this in e-politics. can there be an idea, maybe not only invent it, no one can government officials cannot come up with it. and this, perhaps, is an idea accepted by the entire society. for example, i think that such a day can be, respect for a person to every person in the country, but this is impossible. no, you know no, and we can give a lot of long examples of why now our country somewhere has such a country where respect for a person is right here as an ideology. yes, he says, let's say to a large extent, uh in the nordic countries in scandinavia more u think, then uh about a specific person, uh, bandits, then these are the countries for people. yes, everything is fine, vitaly andreevich corrected me. and everything already, yes. oh , sorry, for god's sake now say at the end we summarize. a pupil of the orphanage,
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very big shifts on a global scale, and a person of the modern era is a person who first knows the value of his values. sorry for the tautology and will resist strangers. he has this inner national character. it is important. so viktor zhezevich, well, it is quite likely that we are approaching the end of the putin era, and a new, but ideology. uh, no matter on what basis it would not be built, it is. uh, it will have to be formed to strengthen and save russia in an increasingly complex external and internal circumstances. so maria valerievna, i think that an ideology is needed and i think that we will come to it, because the formation of clear guidelines for the younger generation is still. from where and where we are moving is very important. borisovich i think that ideology is immunity. and if there is no immunity in a society, then it dies. therefore, ideally, of course, to develop
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this immunity by all possible means, and by and large. nothing new can be invented. that's really orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality only in some variations may be more adapted from the 21st century. i have only one rationalization proposal, so that boris borisovich is not crooked, and he does not bounce in his chair from the word ideology, because for many the word ideology is one word, a sub-assembly, and so on. let's not call it an ideology. let's national ideas. here's the big difference. whatever you call a yacht, that's how it will float. okay, why? it seems to me that, for the most part, contrary to the statement of boris borisovich, the citizens of russia support president putin because that we, uh, have a keen sense of justice and injustice. now, when something unfair we begin to protest against it, it means that according to time magazine, the reason for the invasion of ukraine putin is the cause of the migration crisis in europe putin is the cause
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of the energy crisis in europe putin is the cause of the economic crisis in europe putin is the cause of the political crisis in the united states putin is the cause of the food crisis around the world putin the most powerful person on the planet zelensky this was a meeting place that cannot be changed weekday broadcast of ntv all the best to you. hello, you watch the news on ntv in the egor ivanov studio, your grandfathers have already tried to do this. and also, along with all these millers and bandera.

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