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hello this is the meeting place on ntv place, where does it all become clear? i'm andrey norkin. my colleague is ivan trushkin. we are working live the day before. you and i noted that the western media are in such a state of such sluggish such despondency, but in relation to the expectation of a successful counteroffensive against the ukrainian armed forces, nevertheless. this does not mean that they somehow stopped supporting ukraine. you've probably already heard that this morning, hmm, french president macron said he's not ruling out. mm deliveries of aircraft for ukraine and the dutch. they said that they, in general, f-16s can also, and

it’s natural to deliver to ukrainians in kiev. there appetites they instantly and are played out. they already said that at least one submarine is needed, and even as far as i read , there is already a plan in case turkey does not let this submarine through the straits, then somehow they will drag it like a wolf. well, for people who dug their hands. the black sea it's certainly not a small problem to drag a submarine, but by land here. although of course, these are all jokes, but on the other hand. if to speak seriously, what is actually happening and in general, we decided that it is unpleasant for me personally to have to return to the topic of our red lines, especially since the foreign ministry of our country has just talked about them again. and again to ask the question, are we doing everything right, because it seems, uh, the conversation about the red lines, finally lost. eh, the whole point. well, let's go in order. here we

had a small meeting with vanya. we were thinking with whom to start after the plot with our conditional such dove alexander yuryevich, who explains to us, why it is impossible with a saber to brazenly solve everything there quickly or from a hawk. georgy valerievich very much decided that, probably, with georgy valerievich and we will start, because he is more consistent aleksandrovich with all due respect. so at first you were more so much yes, and then in general, let's do it, let's hear it, you know your place as much as possible anatolievich. you , maxim anatolyevich, will, like our consciences , intervene, when you will no longer be able to. andrey vladimirovich will say that everything is wrong, in any case, it doesn’t matter what we say, so it’s easier with you let’s we don’t need it, we regularly give him the floor first, so everyone loves to flirt, although they are men. so it's so quiet. let's start with the plot, where here is the last mention of the red lines from our mid and some

kind of assessments, because of course, maybe we ourselves are wrong, maybe. last week, the topic of red lines was again raised by the russian foreign ministry, recalling the recent words of sergei lavrov about signs of a transition to a hybrid war. the west against russia to an almost real department said that discussions about red lines remained in the past day earlier on the same topic in an interview with the american press , our deputy un envoy dmitry polyansky spoke. according to him, new deliveries of western weapons. ukraine will not radically change the course of the russian special operation. we are sending more and more signals that some of the red lines have been crossed, but perhaps most of the red lines. not yet crossed. in the case of nuclear powers. who is russia if you are striving to aggravate the conflict , it is necessary to calculate all options moscow's rhetoric is already openly ridiculed in the west and especially in kiev last saturday , ukrainian secretary danilov called

the russian reaction to the supply of german leopard tanks a howl from the moscow swamps and add. then the allies do not notice the quote, the next red lines. putin is american, the press does believe that there are no red lines and the kremlin is just bluffing. putin and kremlin officials have repeatedly warned that western actions could lead to escalation, however, the us and other western allies of ukraine have repeatedly crossed the alleged red lines. putin, these red lines are designed to keep western states from crossing them, but putin could not prevent the zapud from crossing. some of them that the west has ceased to be afraid of a possible response from russia are increasingly being said, and we, according to the vice speaker of the moscow city duma and andrey medvedev , nothing will stop the west from new deliveries of heavy weapons to ukraine, including fighter jets, and that's because russia left unanswered the previous provocations of the western allies. why

should washington be afraid to send combat aircraft to ukraine? what our previous actions convinced them that problems for the us are inevitable. thank god we stopped talking about red lines. but what was said without further action gives washington the opportunity to believe that any of its new steps will also lead to no consequences. so some of the red lines are crossed, but some of the redder lines are not crossed. well you got me sorry don't have to be diplomat. eh, it's enough to be an editor. i'm generally not an editor, though. well , i understand something, for more than 20 years i have been working with the word e. well, in general, this is, to put it mildly, not the most successful wording. with all due respect. so georg valerievich, this is the assumption that in our constant conversations about the red lines we ourselves crossed this red line, because now it’s like we don’t scare anyone, but it’s just that such a change in general

in actions is connected with this west. if you share red line, to more red less red you are already showing that you are not serious about it. this time. secondly, the red lines of the russian federation were originally set by the only person who can put them, vladimir putin, when he said that he would be the west for the most interference. just a fact of interference in ours. that's when such a red one was put up or not western crossed, he had nothing that he crossed. he interfered with our own and, accordingly. now they are interfering in full. supply heavy armored vehicles and so on, please also in this situation, while seeing that we have done nothing. he went on. i do not rule out that, but the most-most such were not expressed. or you and i , mr. polyansky, the red line was personally illuminated by the president personally in a conversation, we will just remind you now separately. yes, what

they were, when what was said, what will follow me here for a start. you tell me, am i explaining to myself correctly, uh, what is happening we have ceased to be afraid ceased to be afraid and ceased to be afraid by that simple reason that they believe that we have something to hit, but we will not hit, because we are farther explain to me, please explain to me, please, why they are sure that we did not hit, because the modern strike on we can’t do anything to the yegorov training ground, since when we crossed the west what the west called the red lines, namely , we annexed new territories. the northern streams exploded for us. you repeated many times seeing that we did nothing. they, therefore, take another step, do you think we are, must? and that means, please, here the topic is such that we had to take a certain step that shows that we are ready for the next stage, while i cited these examples 10 times

, to hit the decision-making center in kiev if we cannot now strike more from warehouses in poland, we can beat on kiev has demonstrated our readiness to take radical steps. our willingness to take steps that are considered to be somehow not politically correct, not entirely within the framework of our own, but within the framework of an already full-scale war, and so further. forgive me for being direct for the west , ukraine is all this rubbish. right? sorry to the western here is the paradigm. for what part, as they think, our rockets fly to them with garbage. all the same, i do not change their attitude to the entire conflict, they do not care about ukraine. but if they see that what was previously unacceptable for us has ceased to be unacceptable, that our informal agreements. nasty not to hit the center to make a decision is no longer sacred to us. they understand that the next step, if the next day is that

here he constantly wants to bomb. uh, offices. yes, i'm here, to be honest, no, i'm staying too. i don’t know how much i don’t know how consistent i look, because here you really say this, almost spices first, but it seems to me that i am also a follower, because i always talked about what is needed first of all, deprive e vsu of the opportunity e to fight. in this case, it is receive. uh, help military help because of the gun, that is, to hit all these supplies here, yes, let's, probably, after all, somehow at first okay , come on, because there was also a position that bombing bombing ginger. now you talk about it less often, nevertheless, as before, you remain in your position that everything will be decided by successes in the unconditional war, ah the fact is that bombing bombing bombing works when there is an offensive, when there is, you understand then it's on its own. that's from the fact that some territory or

country is being bombed or, uh, hitting it with missiles without uh on the territory of the object. let's try to start from yesterday's conversation. a which, as it seemed to me yesterday, at least, seemed to indicate that everyone, in general, is waiting for us to really launch a big offensive. well, for the foreseeable future and beyond, we will be faced with the following options. this offensive may be successful. and here, too, we must look at what parameters of this offensive we will not remove. we don’t know, look, this will remove this discussion, just clinics, yes, if we go, we’ll go straight to the locals. we've just been discussing the discussion itself red lines in recent years has become much less. livant because, firstly, firstly, not a single red line of 100% of russia has been specified. secondly, not a single consequence on the red line is personally

specified. why we also don’t know, we also don’t know how retized you understand, you can guess and guess that they are concretized somehow not publicly, but judging by how the smell works, the west believes that the rhetoric in the red lines is a bluff of the russian federation moreover, the longer, the longer our diplomats, our military or some other deputies and others say the words red lines, and nothing happens, the less faith in the west that there is anything at all behind this for 10 in these 11 months 1 person, the occupation of 11 months of using the term red lines. without any consequences led to realize how eroded the concept of red. let's take one more very briefly. as for polyansky's speech, i actually wrote about it a few weeks ago. this applies not only to dmitry polyansky, but also

not to gasoline. won believe first representation. here it is the security council zion is, perhaps, one of the last public international platforms where russia has the opportunity to say what it wants to broadcast. this is for the whole world and many listen to this. in any case, this is a platform that sometimes broadcasts go live, even if without a break on international e, tv channels and others, and russia deserves a better representation than what we have now, here is the pain of more and diplomats who read not from a piece of paper and diplomats who understand crossed crossed. what are the possibilities? i fully agree with andrey vladimirovich to say that, perhaps, some red lines have been crossed. but not everyone understands when an opponent reads such a thing or listens to such a statement. he only smirks. maybe he can answer correctly? you are right. i agree with you. what does

polyansky's statement mean? well, that's great. i'm honestly surprised, honestly two performances of both. eh, i love and respect speakers honestly. i think they are very smart, but both need daristovich. show us how to use an example. a you understand what the thing is, that this teres about the fact that russia, uh, russia does not behave rigidly weakly and does not respond to russia. unclear. please let me say that the united states believes that russia is showing weakness, that these people did not answer and that is why it is behaving this way . this is an enemy thesis well, which for some reason very easily lay down in our patriotic public. well, i won't help now. it's true, sometimes it happens, because. well, you know, there will be more alexander says, no now. alexander's opinion is much more trust due to the fact that the person is a professional, i have known him for a very long time. second, the person is deep in the story. here come on. uh, if we are engaged in theories here

, do not make such loud statements. for example, uh, one of the last of these publications jorned there by the hair, as they say. i will quote behind the decision to drastically cut ukraine's military aid deliveries , and now attention to the concern in some western prices that time may be on the side. rf then, there is there. if we are careful not to talk to another, i i’ll explain, if not carve, some separate convenient ones for us, which means that propaganda stories show that it ’s less so in the west, and looking at the whole spectrum of opinions it turns out that smart people interpret everything in a completely different way, what supplies. well, once again, that the supply of tanks , for example, is not crossing the red line , in general, in fact, nothing special happened, because, let me remind you, in april last year, only two countries, poland and the czech republic, were transferred. 300 tanks are talking about soviet ones, so if the pumpkin is western tanks, excuse me, nothing is clear from the world by thread, when they come into it, it is much

less volumes equal to 1 second. this is the first, comrade. wait with your second. let's wait until the soup stops at the first. and i'm not interested. well, this is the calculation here. how many tanks? there, someone else handed over soviet ones there, but these western ones will come there, they handed over these tanks to the appearance of these tanks. yes , in any case, it somehow pushed back the fulfillment of our military tasks in space, jewish. i will answer. first of all , western tanks appeared. only for the simple reason that everything that was soviet that could stop was over, and that's how they have to give their tanks now. moreover, it turned out that there are actually not so many of these tanks in the containers of europe, so some countries that understand that they are now depriving their equipment in case, by the way, of a global conflict, that they remain roadless and so resistance. none of

them believe. so, this is the first possible on the red line. let's make the first one short not the feeling that, but the term of the red line, everyone takes it differently. there is the position of vladimir vladimirovich, which was voiced in response to a question from journalists. he said the red line defines me accordingly, it's my kind of uh in my purview. uh, late last year. he called one of the red lines. this is the appearance of weapons in ukraine. uh, flying time. there a few minutes to moscow is one of the red feathers. i can list. what plants can be, but those, red, lines that polyansky mentions or our others there, means diplomats and in general. here we are mentioning. i'm afraid that absolutely not those red lines, which are good yes, let's stop. yes, let's show the material, for example. so hush, please, let's not turn this topic, it's complicated. i understand that everyone doesn't let's go to the market. we will not turn it into a few examples, because we are our own . well, anyway, i’ll say the word

of the red line, but they showed it long and drew it long before the start of a special military operation, but we didn’t draw it in an ultimatum form, but expressing quite confidently and harshly that we do not like ultimatums , and apparently, the fact that we did not set ultimatums, but, probably, made us consider our lines not red enough. let's take an example. at the end of 2021 , vladimir putin said that nato’s military infrastructure , contrary to russia’s requests, had approached our borders. as examples, he cited the missile defense systems in poland and romania, the answer to this was the development of russian hypersonic weapons that we received in response to all our proposals to the president also told the countries of the north atlantic bloc on the day of the start of the special operation in ukraine on our proposal. we were constantly faced with either static deception and lies or pressure attempts.

meanwhile, the north atlantic alliance, in the meantime, despite all our protests and concerns, is steadily expanding after the start of the special operation, russia's permanent representative to the un , vasily nebenzya, said kiev's entry into nato would be a red line for moscow, and the deployment of the alliance's military infrastructure near russian borders would turn into a direct collision with our country. however, this did not stop the flow of western weapons and foreign mercenaries in ukraine. ukraine has essentially turned into a nato pmc. they pay her money, supply weapons with intelligence, they say where to shoot somewhere to attack. here it is the formula of nato war by proxy to the last ukrainians. it couldn’t be better described last summer , deputy chairman of the russian security council dmitry medvedev said that in the event of an attack on crimea, ukraine would be cited. judgment day. however, this did not stop the preparation terrorist attack on the crimean bridge in october last year, our foreign ministry called

the supply of long-range missiles to kiev the red line. it is them that ukraine is so diligently begging for, and , according to the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs, dmitry kuleba. kiev will certainly receive them this year, the russian ambassador to washington, anatoly antonov, is sure that you have long crossed all boundaries. as an example, the russian diplomat cited the situation with the explosion of the nord stream gas pipeline in the white house , they deny their involvement, but they do not hide their anger and i think the administration is very happy to know that nord stream 2 is what it is now. as you like to say, a pile of metal at the bottom of the sea. september. russia warned that it would defend its territories by all available means. this was said against the backdrop of incessant shelling at the zaporozhye nuclear power plant and president biden's threats to punish russia at that moment by shelling the nuclear power plant - this did not stop. however, after some time, their intensity is sharply reduced. maxim anatolyevich maybe we should have

used these very expressions of red lines, so that when we pronounce this word, our opponents as partners get the feeling that they don’t have any pinkish tint, ivan agrees, because otherwise we risk being in the position of the chinese, who are all in the west, and we have then they were not friends with them , they ridiculed for the expression of the latest chinese statement was like that. yes, yes, but the red lines, i am convinced that they exist, and they have been brought to the attention of our western partners in quotation marks, huh? we really now we are in a situation where there are really red lines. yes , but they talk about it too much, so then why are we talking about red lines, if you think they should do it, because the most important thing for them is citation. hype, they get a call from

some media and they need to make a statement. this is a man in the duma in the federation council, he really does nothing, but in this case there will be an illusion that he is responsible for something, and he talks about red lines. after that, everyone quotes our media and the western media, and as a result, visit us often. you know who we're quoting, we're uh, no, we're quoting, including what's changing the lines of the quoting. we even represent respected deputies of the state duma. and the turnover committee is smart people, especially e no smart both, but andrey, like me in soviet times , just started calling me a fool, if one of our viewers was fools at first, yes , read between the lines and andrey realized that when i mentioned by the deputy think and respected

senators. maybe i meant not only them. well, i just don't want to call. and i i am convinced that it is not necessary to speak publicly about red lines in general, so as not to devalue. and this concept, it exists, westerners know where they are advancing. at what point do the red lines come on. but, when we are everywhere at all levels of torture, including those not named by me . people who are hinted at start talking about red lines, we stop well andreyevich , in fact, planes, if possible, deliveries of fighter jets to ukraine. this is our red line. not red at all. do you know red or not? name it a center if possible. management in moscow, an attempt to strike a blow is not an attempt. kick punch that will be sure it will be the red line. wait wait a second, if it is mandatory, then you say that this red line will definitely be crossed. so you said, remember, yes

, we have not only moscow but also st. petersburg yes, and there are these red lines in your understanding. it’s only moscow or any of them, i see moscow only moscow to return again to the topic of the red book, one of the reasons is the most important, but, for which, in general, i also perceive all our red lines, what a great brilliance is that not one of these red lines has been seriously worked out here with us, so seriously explain, please, what does it mean , because a on each issue, a should have a clear position. what to do? a clear position was not formulated at once, not even at the same level, even in a closed regime there should be a certain plan that does not exist, what in the case, but yes, there were such in the case. we do not have this , but you are just fine with this no , unfortunately, this is not there that is why the west

now and he considers everything as a bluff and moreover, believe me, in the next 2 months , when even newer weapons will go, when missiles will arrive in march that will reach the crimea we will also sit quietly and receive publicly, but not in these same studios. no, something is said publicly, of course, but the question is that the distance is public, that the west smells of the west. they shouldn't be discussed at all. i actually stayed. let's now listen to the president very rarely talked about this noise that is created by completely different. god, maybe it's that the president also can't talk endlessly, just their lines. maybe the president, while the commander-in-chief, should not be given a public order. so everyone closed the birth, so they also mean, wait. i want to say that the problem lies in the fact that we have gone exclusively into information highlights. fine. so you still explain, you are sure that you answered navalny’s questions that the aircraft will be supplied with missiles. means

the red lines will be crossed in case of impact in moscow, which will undoubtedly happen , they said, if our western opponents understand that this is the only red line that we will respond to. uh, why would they want to do that then? ah, because they are absolutely sure absolutely not, with full responsibility i say, they are absolutely sure that there was no retaliation against their territory, just seconds. let's alexander a legal question. you can, but very carefully. why did i ask an attempt, a lidar strike, if a rocket is launched, but we will shoot them down will the red lines cross or not? here, lord yes, this is, frankly speaking, let's do it already alexandrovich i, together with ivan, will not be afraid of this word red lines. yes and. give me 2-3 minutes, please, because it can't be said in 30 seconds. uh, red lines are not drawn on battlefields. they are drawn not even in the theater

of operations, the red line, which was known for sure, some are formed in the process. they were known to be. that's why, in order to understand what it is, we go up and look at the whole theater military operations, including the adjacent territory, that is, our europe, the united states, and so on. here we have the classic yes limited, that is, the local theater of military action, one of the red lines, which is the same for us and for the americans. this is an escalation going beyond the boundaries of this territory, so let me remind you. the consequence of the existence of this red line is the nightly pajama gatherings at the time of the big twenty, when i can ask clarifying questions, and the shelling of the belgorod kursk e, bryansk news is a way out of the conflict for here this one is the red line, the red line and

the escalation are the levels, that is, escalation by the conflict further means one red line, global, the second red line is the same , or for us and for our real enemy, i’ll immediately tell you in kiev the idea of ​​red lines. no one expects this from them and the red line exists only in moscow and in general, uh, the red line that vladimir vladimirovich presented from the very beginning, i emphasize the word that he said was not deciphered, but it is not his task to lex about the intervention of third forces in the conflict , just one of the admirals. e, he said about the red line, which in this sense is one, and for them, for us, he said, the red line, for them. come on, they were called that they also have red lines, red line. for them, our e is, the invasion of one of the nato countries after that should start e, the war against us is exactly the same, and with us, but this shows the intervention. in seventy years of history. uh, yalta

poznan system interference is the direct intervention of the army of a third country under the national flag or the focal point in a huge conflict, arms deliveries are not, when we talked about long-range missiles. we marked a new red line that was n't up to uh-huh. and let's not forget that there are a few red lines. and we didn’t just crawl over one such fat one. we jumped over it on the twenty-fourth, because our invasion of ukraine was a bold red line. and we were promised after that we did it the second red line, thinner, which we crossed. it's starting we crossed it on october 10 last year, when we were told not to touch the infrastructure. fight, here on the battlefields. we smashed this infrastructure

causing critical damage. that is, we are red lines, we cross in the same way. only in contrast to them they are crawling. and we so hop and jumped it hmm uh, not a monologue , the red line is a dialogue between opponents. in general, there is a channel for this communication, because the conversation between burns and naryshkin in istanbul was half the time. if we are then you then we are so, and then we part, this is fine. that is, we already knew then that they would transfer 100% tanks there. uh, means, as far as the plane is concerned, as far as the planes are concerned. uh, the delivery of uh, hmm, western planes of ukrainian warplanes is not a red line crossing, but there's one tab in this shipment, and they know they're not the best anymore. this is not new york. there is, in general. we are talking about red lines. we were not talking about journalists, by the way, we are talking about military and non-public people. in general. they are not the washington post, but there already

appears an adequate assessment that on today there is not a single normal runway for military aviation in ukraine, it can be prepared, but this is our legitimate goal, we will not allow it to be prepared. which means they will, yes, for his runway. this was already why it is not necessary to base the aircraft on the territory. poland was no longer taking off from the territory of neighboring countries, these military airfields are for us, we will launch missiles at them and get them, so red lines will exist at any moment. you will receive then the fifth blow is more of a problem, and i 'm telling you that the first ones will get the fourth article, and nothing like that will be gathered. well, they did it wrong. can he

risk money? yes ah my friends just a second ah please please don't waste your very arsenal uh, we don't need to take risks or they don't need to take risks, who does not take risks, as you know, he does not win. let's pause for a second, continue this conversation, because there we have just a plot, which is at least at the level of rhetoric. there are all alone recognize. now it’s completely open at the level of politicians at the level of government officials that they are still fighting , no one is saying that it’s some kind of ukraine protecting europe from the horde, no, but they are not fighting with russia. that is, here a small qualitative change has occurred. let's take a short break and continue.

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let me concentrate, because it seems to me that this is important. fedorov means that the red lines will be crossed after the missile attack on moscow, which we are modern. well, it doesn’t matter the strike on moscow, which the cossacks will undoubtedly receive, and the provision of military aviation will not cross the red line, but there is a bookmark. if planes take off from polish airfields. we strike at the polish airfield fedorov and get the fifth article here a collective response. no, we don't get told. or maybe they will take risks, maybe we will not look. or maybe they won't be looking for it. and here i asked everyone to stop. because you see, yes, what a range of opinions, while a-a in the west they stopped wandering and openly say that they are at war with russia as i said this saying to the military and politicians and officials. let's see and hear about the readiness for a direct military confrontation with

russia last weekend, said the head of the military committee. nato admiral roboly in an interview with the portuguese press. he reported that the alliance. now we need to properly rearm in order to be better prepared militarily than russia, while nato is not afraid of a nuclear strike from our side, because, as admiral putin said, he is a rational person. we are ready for a direct confrontation with russia, yes. i think it's an important message for the russians that our position has changed, we need to show them that the members of the organization are ready for direct confrontation, but only if russia crosses the red line and invades the territory of one of the nato countries, its portion of revelation issued. the head of the german mead annalen berbert, speaking in sowing, she stated the need to continue supplying weapons to the ukrainian army, since europe , according to her, is at war with russia, has already been noted the other day. we really should with more efforts to protect ukraine and also that

concerns the transfer of tanks, but the main and decisive role here is played by the fact that we need to do this together, and not engage in shifting the blame within europe after all, we are waging war against russia and not against each other, the words burbock caused criticism even in germany in the christian social party the union said that rbc poses a huge risk to the country's security, and the alternative parties for germany, the ministers even called for resigning to justify the burbak, chancellor schultz tried between nato and russia , we will not allow such an escalation. we the federal government fully agrees with this and the minister of foreign affairs also thinks so. the leaders of eastern european countries have long been talking about the fact that the west is at war with russia, as hungarian premier urban fears that such a confrontation may well lead to the use of nuclear weapons.

the west may think that it is not at war with russia but is sending more and more weapons and moving closer to actual military intervention. western leaders are playing an extremely dangerous game of themselves with russia and with the western public if ukraine somehow, using western weapons, will cross the border of russia, the future of the world will be so bright that the west will have to wear sunglasses. that's according to the degree of risk that you can expand the thought somehow. yeah, the idea that we in russia do not need to take risks. they objected to you. maybe you don’t need to risk it, but you understand how, uh, i still get away from the fact that both our leadership and the leadership of western countries a are sitting, uh, normal people are not martyrs, not suicides, a nuclear war between us and this the death of mankind is the death of these people, and there is something between us as well, i understood maxim

vitolyevich. let's go into dialogue mode, where i have a little more rights than you. yes, i can interrupt you. and you don't have me. well let's then, you said nuclear war, it's impossible between us, not eat. can there be such a situation when we are at war, but without the use of nuclear weapons, you know, unfortunately, a serious non-nuclear war is impossible. why? because comparing our potentials, we lost it no options, therefore our trump it is that if we are in a stalemate, then we will use nuclear weapons. it's our only chief right now trump but actually, it's not so bad that we have him, because he would be on this man, which of all. leaders now, in my opinion, understand best of all the psychology of russian leader andrei vladimirovich and say that a non-nuclear war is possible. first, i want to say that a decision has now been made to prepare. uh, somewhere in the spring

of an emergency session. e nato which can decide just very serious, for example, about direct participation. uh, nato forces, they have already prepared this direct participation of the soldiers of ukraine to show, so this is the first, this is the first. they are ready for this. they are already ready for this. secondly, i'm sorry, they are a nuclear war. possible absolutely possible, because ah. i'm not sure that the russian leadership will take responsible steps, e.g. from the outside with the use of nuclear weapons. for example, if nato forces will, but fight directly against the russian federation, here, uh, yes, the scenario. we do what will first deliver the blow of ukraine they are nato, this is very necessary to understand. this date will not wear, ukraine is here, therefore , to answer for such a blow. we can not.

yep, for many reasons. yes, it's logical. here is the first one. secondly, we must forget that ah, the potential really spoke about this. we have nato many people don't understand what nato's potential to destroy russian territory is. it is much higher and some missiles reach russian territory much faster than ours before the american ones, it matters. can i return, so i will return to your words andreevich i believe that there will be a war you said on the territory of ukraine mayskaya extremely understand where a decision can be made. do you know the conditions when this decision, maybe some. and, when it is not, then name it, please, it is very simple in that. if you have to read that there is a real threat of the liquidation of ukraine as a state, that is, by may, nato fears that it may be at the end of march, if

everything is clear to russia. if the russian offensive is successful, then it will be necessary to reconsider our position. i will remind you that andrey vladimirovich, our russian offensive is planned for mid-february. if i am correct, maxim anatolyevich writes everything down and whom well, let's go in order, point by point. so first rid yourself of the illusion. all those who believe that a direct war between russia will need to be non-nuclear , as soon as direct hostilities begin within the framework of the nuclear logic of the prisoners' dilemma , a nuclear strike will immediately be delivered, and if on the territory of ukraine there is a greater chance on the territory of ukraine, direct on the territory of ukraine this is not the territory of the russian federation and non-nato territory on the territory of ukraine ukraine occupied part of the territory of the russian federation secondly, we are talking about a direct military issue. i'm telling you, if

i don't know somewhere in the lviv region, it goes up to a direct clash of nato soldiers on one side. god forbid of course. i don't want to see it the soldiers of the russian federation on the other think that instantly after the first shots it will be a nuclear conflict after the first shots, if they do not settle within the very next time. yes, because that's the logic. look at other crises that took place outside the soviet union during the cold war. so it was. this is the first moment of nuclear use. application of the conditions for the use of nuclear weapons. here is what i am describing to you. well, you can't come up. this is a conflict . a clash with a nato soldier on the territory of ukraine does not threaten the security of the russian state on the territory. listen, but a conflict. ct between two nuclear powers military direct, yes a he implies that in response to why, for example look please, he is a living example. why don't the chinese and indians even

use firearms at mutual points on the border, because they are afraid that within the framework of nuclear logic within the framework on sticks. yes, but not uh, but not small arms, because they fear that within the nuclear logic between the two nuclear chinese and indians. i understood with mine, yes, when they are . what strange twine do you have, sir? yes, it's an armature. so, when they start to fight with each other with reinforcement and stones. they these are fighting on chinese territory, and these are on indian between them there is no ukraine . that's what's going on, you know the territory, so anton also said no one will have time to unite. everything from there you will paradocrinate there, but the west, but in general. and the whole collective west of the united states does not want a direct clash with russian taxis. maxim

is right. we don't want it, we don't want it. the only factor here is that, maybe this is all serious. to spoil it is kiev because kiev just wants to escalation is in their interest because it is an opportunity for them to delay. so, uh, they don't understand. if there is an escalation, it will most likely end faster than yes, of course. what is the stretch. eventually. for example, they somehow led an attack on the territory of russia, different in any other city , no matter what. naturally, as with the crimean bridge, we will cross another red line after a tougher response to the kiev leadership, which is sitting in bunkers. they are in the acceptance centers solutions that are easy to calmly immediately move back. absolutely don't care. how much of what we will smash there is exactly the opposite, the worse for ukraine the worse for ordinary ukrainians. the easier it is to present the picture, if peeled off to an international audience, the better. now, with regard to statements, i would like to draw your

attention. they all always make a reservation in case russia is tuesday. that is , of course, you can not stipulate in any way. she already says, dura let's go. let's be honest, we accept to engage in propaganda. he says that he was the first to admit something there, but she just stupid. she said brittle dear watson. i always tell you about this, you need to applaud, but they are a fool. in general, all the person who then decided the fool, she should have framed now, no, all serious people, when they say, if always the context to look at, it always means, but either a reservation that in case of an attack, or in case there is some kind of rock. she is preparing for us now this is rhetoric. nothing different. it just intensified. everything let's six years ago than let's think about your colleagues, so viktor shevchenko aleksandrovich minutes of war russia is being led against russia by the west, the collective west of the nato countries, it is quite obviously some western ones. statesmen

politicians. they talk about it more openly , some are more veiled. that's what we are pushing more open open. someone else said. now, with regard to offensive counteroffensives. do you understand? the court absolutely agrees with those. who said that nato is not interested in a direct conflict with russia , they do not need this, they need something completely different. understand when you want to wear down and weaken his opponent in a long struggle. you need to create an effect such as the casino you come to the casino, and it seems to you that now you have lost. here with the machine guns. lost in roulette now. well, play it, play it. here's the next offensive. it will definitely be more successful. and so, uh, the second one didn't work. well, let's the fourth lord of the mentally ill and fight, of course, in this situation. the best thing for the enemy is not his own people, not the americans, not the germans, not the italians, not the greeks, but those of whom? how. you are perfect right, but ivan said today, and who the ukrainians don’t appreciate at all, they don’t feel sorry for them

with a zapper, therefore, in order to exhaust russia, they will constantly create these. a situation where russia is here, well, maybe the next offensive. here it may crush the ukrainian state, but it is not completely not completely, it turns out to be exhausting and exhausting the russian forces. that's exactly what their goal is to receive. the first war is a war between russia and nato without the use of nuclear weapons. perhaps a simple example during the second world war, all participating countries possessed a huge amount of chemical weapons, according to the technology of a tacit agreement of negotiations , it never actually had performers in africa exactly the same at that time. this, by the way, not just silent, but here i’m not silent, but about spoken, i’m talking about it, it’s completely, perhaps the story about ivan about ukraine is, for example,

a move for them, kiev officially invites poland to enter its western region for there help security, and they go there polish troops. this is not for us. uh, the reason for starting a war with nato is if it’s not the same intervention on the territory that is practically the president’s question in flags, if kiev invites mmm no, if they don’t officially, putin on february 24, warned everyone, regardless of the united states syria even without an invitation, unlike us, this is a working situation. a working military situation, if it does not matter on the territory of ukraine what legal procedures nato troops enter under nato the flag is the beginning of the war between russia and nato nato is great to know when they don’t talk about the invasion, it’s about kicking the army under its own . who is in a more risky position. it was vanya and maksimovich who started talking here in the summer about the fact that washington is now making the most difficult decision to enter the conflict, and

then there was the first phase. then they again had them before the ephoria. and now the question has returned for them the worst thing. e, and for us, too , the moment when it will really be clear that a fracture in a military entry can to happen what andrei vladimirovich spoke about is the risk of the cessation of the existence of the ukrainian and what and what solution? well, what decision will they make to go to the end. i think not. i think they will go now to work out acceptable surroundings themselves. should. in general, as i understand it, today we are writing down everything, but for andrey vladimirovich no, i'm tired of the legal notebook, i probably won't drink, you know, yes, just look. e. yes, everything, comrades, everything is fine. everything is written down. and we all take a short break from this recorded and that's about memory notes. that's about it in a couple of minutes. alien flock new season today at 20:00

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killing nazism right now? this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. come on, we'll continue. i told you about memory notes. so can i now translate such a bridge for you, and while i am talking, i will simultaneously think. how to get it right. i just wanted to remind you, and for those who watch not only our programs , our programs both come out every weekday at 14:00 on ntv air and i periodically meet with you outside the walls at this studio and in it your tv screens. for february in march, i wanted to say that, well, we don’t count pskov anymore, because it’s already impossible to get there on february 11, nizhny novgorod is like since the formulas of the twelfth cultural center of october in the city of bor, tickets are sold well there, but they are still there. here is march 17, moscow cinema house march 19

, st . barovsk, it will be arkhangelsk, this is what i remember, what i don’t remember, i write down. so i got out on and that's because now we 're going to talk about people who don't remember, even the one that has been recorded 1,000 times, but now i will have a request for you such that we do not want to talk today about rewriting history. we actually, we talked about this many times and unfortunately, this is, as it were, a range. we are dealing with this. and it seems to me that the theme of the second hour here is today's and the theme of the first hour, they are very similar. that is, if we just talked about the fact that we are here with our constant mention of the red lines, but we have achieved little? except for the fact that they stopped being afraid of us? isn't there exactly the same history itself, now we will give you a few examples when we are just, well,

taken and erased from history with an eraser. isn't this exactly explained, the same thing we simply stopped being afraid of. they just sneeze on us. and they attack from this side, because there is an idea that we have become weaker. so we, having started a special operation , came to the conclusion that weapons are being supplied there. yes, and in parallel. come on, we are still the role of russians, in general, go. well, because it's like a tool, very convenient. here you are, here in this direction. i would ask you to reason and let's see our first material. on january 27, the international day of remembrance for the victims of the holocaust was held on this day 78 years ago, soviet troops liberated the concentration camps for the svens, but the poles for commemorative events. this year the russian delegation was not invited, according to the russian ambassador. since last year, poland has refused to give the floor to representatives of our country, the russian exposition in the auschwitz museum is also closed, and the polish prime minister

painted russia on the holocaust remembrance day original message on the anniversary of the liberation of the nazi german death camp auschwitz let's remember that putin is building new camps to the east of us solidarity and consistent support for ukraine are effective ways to ensure that history does not repeat the full circle this year in berlin , instead, the bundestags honored the memory of gay people who died at the hands of the nazis, a representative of the german parliament. opens the meeting stated that shocked by the fact that ukrainian holocaust survivors today became victims of russian aggression, at the close of the event , the star of the german cabaret artist, transvestite georgette, performed. the west has been engaged in historical revisionism for more than a year

. after the scandal , the editors of the magazine said that they simply made a mistake and quickly corrected the post . anne frank, it stated that the photographs of the liberation of auschwitz by soviet soldiers, when the soldiers arrived , they did not have cameras. they didn't take pictures. only much later, when they realized that they needed to shoot, they began to do it. this is what you see, now it is definitely not auschwitz and not liberation. we didn't have so many people in clothes with kids. i don't want you to have this guess. well, that is, they understand that, but we will say, this disgrace cannot be rewritten, what? well , they are all because we are not weak, you understand? i i have already spoken about this here more than once, in fact, of course, history began to be rewritten not

2.020. no, it seems to me that now it's a little bit. this is not a sluggish force. once, no one can answer in any way. therefore, we can be bitten from all sides , including with this one, it’s not about how they perceive the weak and the weak, if it’s the end, how do we really understand this , what is the problem? you really are. you won’t run there to wage war with poland because they are demolishing monuments to soviet warriors. our concept of this was not close to this is not ready. so what can you do to counter it. they are looking at us. i have said here many times, starting from the ninety -first year, the collapse as the losing side is that this movement towards revising the results of the war and, accordingly, the role of the soviet union was slow. but if you look at it, it was done in different territories at different times. now it has gone faster, because they decided that this is how it can be done, but it has been all this time. i give you more i will say when we say who started this process, we started this process ourselves. open my edition arguments and facts for 89.

look what they began to write about the war , half of what was written then. excuse me, frankly. lies are outright. lies we were doing the census on our territory. in history, we generally started this process from time to time. and if we didn’t do this and the newspapers argumenty i fakty in 8889 didn’t write like that, do you think something would have gone differently, i can say that it did in a different way, if at one time you were the supreme council, of course, the deputies of the ussr did not engage in nonsense about the molodov pact , then this is the reason that the baltic states have the right to take such a leave from the soviet union, it simply did not exist. if and what young people in the subway would talk seriously about and not say that this is some kind of deal with the devil, as they started to say then, they are the same document that accepted everything, we started this process and allowed it to be used as a political tool. i have asked the question many times. who you asked to take responsibility zatyn. i'm not even talking about what exactly happened, that this is the political fate of the murder, not a single normal country that considers the losers will ever do this. will never do this.

fine? maybe you poles have their own sins. here we were never recognized. look, we didn't ask for them. it is correct, of course, to understand. what is the reason, but actions that, over time , obviously cease to be erroneous, but, of course, i would like now a little talk about today about tomorrow. here's what to do next. a alexander nikolaevich a. don't you think that after a certain number of years there, relatively speaking, there will be five years there. there will be no one in europe who will agree that auschwitz liberated the reds. well, in principle, it is quite possible, that is, in principle, rewriting, then from this point of view it is quite possible, and the point here is not only that someone is lying to someone, but the fact is that the vast majority the european population is absolutely indifferent who it is, perhaps, in that situation.

all the time i'm trying to bring you to a strong weak situation, that is, we are this old leo, yes, which now every jackal can kick a bribe, because when we were stronger there, it's unlikely probably not. it could be strong, of course. e, here, but the fact is that in fact, when the soviet union was called, it was clear that from under this dead man it was necessary to pull out the pillow of both him and the communist ideology one way or another. this pillow was not so much pulled out as discredited, so to speak, to western eyes , it is certainly now obvious that the basis of e is the russian ideology today. here its cornerstone pillar, in general, is the victory of the great patriotic world war ii. so, one way or another, this victory and

the participation of the soviet union in russia are all one. but uh, you have to compromise. that's exactly what is happening. so now , about, uh, actions, as a result of which this happens, from my point of view, very strongly, and this is what hurt russia tossing. uh, ukraine nazis. these say that russian fascists and so on and so forth. here is the transfer. sorry , poop across the border, but it doesn’t have any real historical background in fact, because both the shadows are nazis and these are clearly not fascists. and here, and it all devalued hmm this situation. hmm, it's completely closed. i already understood, and here are the doors , well, either he becomes on one of

the sides, but this is an unqualified setting in any case, then the question is to the first part, probably already to konstantin aleksandrovich if in five years they are the same. well, i'm the trunk in ukraine ended and ended. he is what, probably, the western world considers, if not our victory, then at least not our defeat. this is the cancellation of history in our direction. it will continue, or vice versa, the situation will change, because they will feel our strength. and then and in the history of our joint there were cases, they will continue. yes, with any development. that's the point moreover, everyone said correctly, but these are all frequency, because there is a basis that presupposes a thing called historical politics. in politics in the field of history, when there was the soviet union, there was one policy in the field of history; now it is different, just different in the west, then there was someone then there was the soviet union, it was necessary to pursue a historical policy, which can be conditionally

called the empire of evil, that is, the soviet the union is the evil empire completely changing history in the great patriotic war. world war ii is not necessary. yes, it is necessary to pursue a policy of peace the existence of the soviet union, because there may be a conflict. this is the first and destroy it economically. that is, this is the empire of evil, so that the world does not spread further , a bipolar goal. how to make a unipolar world out of two polar worlds, but now they think it’s another goal, now the goal is to prevent a unipolar world from turning into a bipolarity. and so we must do now, and now we need to imagine to imagine russia is not an evil empire. and imagine russia as an aggressor country, which is an aggressor in life, that is, the russian empire is not. russian empire of aggression the soviet union is the aggressor of the russian federation of aggression, well, the aggressor

can not reach the level. eh, the polar of one of the poles of the world, that is, it is necessary to discredit the country from a historical point of view technologically, what is changing? i think it's the same then. we then could e talk, only about. then it was necessary to give only the soviet union the history of only the soviet union, you can say that the russian empire was great, you can say that even there the primitive society was luxurious, there is no need to falsify. union, that is, the soviet union - this is the red bolsheviks, yes, and now we need to crush all of russia's history. i honestly admit not to the end, yes, soviet ideologists. uh, the story before the seventeenth year was absolutely unimportant. that is, it was possible to stagnate there, what is called in the west, whatever it was, they didn’t give a damn. the main thing was to protect just such a revolutionary

history. and this is logical, and now the west has a larger problem that will destroy the civilization of russia or demonize it. that's all, not only the soviet union well, in general, all thousand years of history, that is, to prove that not only in the soviet period. they were aggressors and some kind of wrong people , or something there, they released them at the wrong time when they should have been released. but in general, they are always russian, that is, the problem is not even the demonization of russia, but there is such a nation, which differs from all others in that it is very aggressive and is constantly engaged in the fact that some produce an example. yes, yes, bring some stories, for which we, too, here we are with what our understanding is, that we colonial, that's what our policy is called, history. here, at the same time, by the way, is an example of how we responded to , uh, our demonization.

here comes the seven years' war of 1760, the capture of berlin, yes here is the first time that russian troops took berlin and why, among other things , they took berlin a, because paris journalists and cossacks came to berlin for a couple of years these journalists. here is such a fact, which is also long for us and, as it were, hard-earned, yes, the cruel second option that i can remember immediately. yes, a russophobic drama was staged, i really don’t remember where well, braids, yes, famous situations and napoleon nikolaev was the first to call, in my opinion, it was after all, either france or i don’t remember, and he said, what does it mean if you put this play on the stage, if i send it, a million soldiers, a million spectators, a million spectators, yes, that is, there are such things, it’s as if they always remember us, and then they always remember us more, they always remember us. poland is

an innocent victim of russian imperialism. here we ripped it apart. although in fact, a l-e countries that were the initiators. we shared it with someone. excuse me. yes , it seems to me that it’s easier to remember here and, uh, something that didn’t exist and just digest it on us. eh what happened? this is a favorite topic, the oprichnina refers to several germans who participated in the oprichnina, and then left for europe and wrote that i doubt it. i just know, i know our scenario and of course, unlike you, and it seems to me that this is about a different example. let's show, we let's show, because japanese history, when it's for us. this is an example of the mirror image of what we spoke to you about, which means from a historical point of view, they bring down everything bad and cross out all your good. and if you are strong, then they are ready to forget about your negative stories. that's it. well, we

'll show you now. this is actually. the history of japan, how they feel about the nuclear bombing of the united states and how they are now talking to american leaders about it at the end of last year in tokyo, they called on the american government to apologize for the nuclear attacks on hiroshima and nagasaki and to finally admit that the us action was a mistake started talking about it just as preparations were being made for joe biden's visit to japan for the g7 summit. it will take place in may, as the japanese press writes, biden may visit hiroshima and even become the first american president to visit nagasaki . this is a country that speaks loudly about democracy in human rights and freedom, evaluating the actions of other states. i wish for biden to announce to the world the use of nuclear weapons.

it was impossible to use atomic bombs was a mistake before barack obama came to hiroshima, though further in amorous speeches, and the need to create a world free of nuclear weapons and a common photograph with the survivors of the bombing of the japanese did not go even further before visiting japan, the forty-fourth us president said that the prover is not going to apologize to the japanese people. i think it's important to recognize that in the midst of a war, leaders make all sorts of decisions. this works historians to ask questions and study them in general, the japanese have for years diligently avoided discussing the us guilt in the tragedy of 45 at the mourning events of politics. they do not say that it was the americans who initiated the attack on japanese cities. according to a survey conducted a few years ago, a third of the inhabitants of hiroshima and half of the citizens. nagasaki could not name the exact date of the nuclear disaster, and some of the japanese youth are even ready to justify the actions of the united states , probably the bombing was necessary to some extent in order to finish america chose the fastest way

to end the war and used a bomb. judging by a survey conducted several years ago, 2/3 of the japanese have a positive attitude towards america, and sympathy. the united states increased after japan's help to eliminate the consequences of the 2011 earthquakes and tsunami, and a couple of weeks ago the united states japan agreed on military cooperation to be friends against russia and china. biden and japanese prime minister ishida also jointly condemned russia's special operation in ukraine and said that if moscow uses nuclear weapons - this will become a quote hostile act against. of all mankind, maxim anatolyevich, again continuing this line that we are trying to understand , whether it is true or not, the victim will justify the executioner, the united states, japan as long as she feels this executioner's strength, if she feels in reality that the united states is like now you spoke of fashionable times, decrepit. it is decrepit and so on and so forth historical claims regarding a nuclear strike. they instantly stir up

or here we are not right. no, absolutely absolutely you are right, because this is real politics, if it is not profitable to stir up certain uncomfortable pages of history, they are passed into oblivion absolutely consciously now the usa and japan are allies, so they do not remember these unpleasant wanderers. we are now partners with the chinese. well, we often remember the war on the daman peninsula. we often remember the blagoveshchensk massacre that we carried out. in response to the massacre that was carried out by the chinese, served in the russian empire, then it is inconvenient to remember this and we are right to do that they we remember we don't remember all sorts of bad episodes from the time of the two chechen wars, because oblivion is now turned over the pages - it's good. this is needed sometimes. maybe even now a second. and who decides, who decides? in what case is oblivion? this is good. in which case this is not very good,

because, well, somehow, if you, if you personally , maxim yusin, have such powers, and you say, well, you have forgotten this. and this is what we will remember. here it is again forgotten. you then, uh, grow up, who in the end is either or you don't need to address it. here on these young japanese. that is, you don’t need to pay attention to them at all; nothing depends on them and you understand nothing, as i simply explain how it functions. i am good or bad. did you say oblivion is good? i'm glad that in order not to stir up unpleasant pages, including in relation to us and the peoples of the north caucasus . why does it excite you to still live there? i hope you wait it changes i'm talking about technology in one state. i'm talking about technology , the situation changes sooner or later. so they said this . this is vladimir sergeevich osipov, decrepit. yes , america is decrepit. so everything about is necessary now.

so, finally figure it out, let's give them their historical. eh, kookies, there we will remember how they wetted the indians, how they are japan and you, with your oblivion, are already done. no one will remember this and there is no need. we will explain to you how this happens. and here i am personally, how is it against this speaking out against the fact that, well, how can history be taught? it's very dishonest, you know? i you about one episode. we often have fights on the air. here is a classic episode that was not on this air, but with a respected senator who said with a blue eye that we won the world war ii war on the japanese front and the americans all their victories damn, they didn’t have victories at the beginning, a then, when he proved to him, it’s not with us

that the americans won all the victories after the soviet union entered the war. you understand , in order to refute these myths, you just need to know the history. i said everything islands listed, including even in the last american victory, the island of okebaba. well, june, they won the forty-fifth year, and we entered the war, understand? yes, you need to know the whole history of wickedness to argue, because in my head i didn’t even get in the phone and wikipedia is not a very much statement, so there are two options either to defend the truth or pragmatically give oblivion uncomfortable pages. that 's all, vadim vladimirovich, if everyone does not act in the way that maksim anatolyevich suggests. and yet, according to this story, oblivion for the sake of some political relationship. is it possible to rewind? that's when this political situation changes, the united states will oh, why remember back?

well, remember, when socialism collapsed, and hungary or czechoslovakia no longer talk about poland, they began to remember everything extremely bad about the soviet union and the russian empire in order to more or less somehow eliminate this imbalance. in the case of the hungarians , it took uh, 15 years to disappear. and here the same thing will happen so that in the west they stop e everkat history and e. to designate us as evil, we must show our strength, and not only on the battlefield. and then you can be more specific. and where else with the battlefield? here in general, it’s clear to survive economically like this, but to assert your influence in the sudden world here, perhaps , here, yes, please,

yes, work more with uh, chinese indians arabs latin americans even africans. and as our influence grows there , the west will no longer be able to wave them off and say that it is not important that you can work with hindus. it is necessary to call them correctly indians indians are exclusively representatives of the hindu religion. may it be with all citizens of the indian republic, not only in this case, er, and hinduism not only in india . therefore, i did not make a reservation here. all received. i don't really understand how our work with non-western countries will help us. here 's the one. where did we start with historical ones, because the countries are foreign, but the prankster is with us. yes, this is what is happening now in african countries, where the french troops are leaving, who comes there? i understand that there are forces, but on

our side, in my opinion, there will also be a movement of events for these countries, to put it mildly, it doesn’t matter, if not to say. works in this way there are many events that connect us with the countries of the non-western world with china, and rely on a plus sign with china, india, african countries , latin american countries, and through this common already apply and, uh, our relationship is western history and everything is ours historically. they are still based on our western-centricity. we need ourselves to change one's shoes one has to turn oneself up one has to balance this western centricity , not to take all relations with the west and cross out one should not do this. but it needs to be balanced, it's possible. in the near future i was just listening and imagined myself in the role of the minister of foreign affairs under such

a president. here they give me, then, here they give me such a direction of foreign policy, then the first question. and what, in fact, this notorious third world alexandrovich is an incorrect story, because you are you, in my opinion, in general, with representatives of, uh, the majority of nationalities on the same constitutional field. and like this, because you have them all. okay, i know. i like you love them their places. yes, as soon as they start moving. yes, that's why you can never set what you can offer them; for a long time the soviet union offered them. to whom the aesthetic leftist idea of ​​the idea of ​​the third world is currently in the stash, let's say so. nothing but the fact that the americans are boors, they put their feet on the table , they despise everyone who smokes cigars. and in general they

everything is bad. i didn’t beat this, nothing but this no now about africa well, maxim let me forgive, but i have long been thinking that this is a significant position in africa i rode everything dealt with ukraine crimea and so on, but the chinese occupy economic ones. if i'm right. i supported you 100%, so it’s official to examine, but he gets in there with kalashnikov assault rifles and boots, but without the economy, because in comparison with the chinese , the american has nothing to offer. and here, and russia is entering into some complex let's say uh contradiction with china for some reason , i have never heard this thousand from our respected orientalists.

which, it seems strange to me, maxim anatolyevich yes, because this is not entirely true, we are complementary with china in africa , we have economic power, in general there is nothing there, and we have nothing to offer, but until recently russia in africa acted as a security guarantor that the chinese they couldn’t offer, when the moth almost collapsed, uh, the then government, uh, before the onslaught of jihadists, they were saved by the french, now they explain and they come there our pmcs, and the chinese. at the same time, economics is involved. we are quite my friends on. i then mean the russian alexander andrey nikolaevich returned the question for a couple more minutes. let's finish this part, then about us. we can then, as it were formulated , give up our western-centricity in order to prove something to someone, to prove the proposal, you understand? i again i really, frankly speaking, not very much. here i directly agree that we are exclusively, the defining moment

of western centricity. here is more of a question. own representation of the concept of how we see our own history and the history of the world. we have this concept in general or an understanding of what it should always be for me. this is what i don't know yet. since when, probably, from school for me. here is real. excuse the theater of the absurd, especially when you know in the early nineties that the holocaust began, the holocaust of 6 million dead, i do not argue, but 14 million of the destroyed civilian population of the soviet union, which was never even estimated inside us, as genocide. this is now at the level of the courts. this means that our western-centricity, because we have adopted a certain standard , which is conscious, because if you come out at the end of the concept of the soviet union, the legal successor of russia, the victim is one of the main victims of nazism, and you insist on this on your right to protect your interests from those who starts. this is a completely different political position in the world. it doesn't matter if the chinese are in the west or in the east. it's clear. this is clear to europeans. you come out with this concept,

surprisingly, we have even been talking about what happened for the last 8 years. we didn't really go out with it. we talked about what ? well, this is a common phrase, you understand, if israel can always tell you there was a holocaust, and on this basis, israel will defend itself, in any way, anywhere, and as we had it, we didn’t have it. we have it now to the end. there is no concept of sacrifice, and now we do not have the concept of sacrifice, the concept, sacrifice, israel has from the very beginning now poland is promoting. here we see in poland doing everything to translate, so that it is victim, in part, armenia victims. we have never set ourselves the concept of a victim, on the contrary, we have the concept of a winner, not a victim of a victim , and a winner cannot be a victim and at the same time a winner of the victim, and then without options. yes, one thing is needed if a victim, then she suffered a victim, she suffers , and even an absolutely great sacrifice does not happen anymore poland was liberated by the soviet union, which captured it again and became

a victim again. here is a victim, even as a winner , we could not have this concept of ours if we promoted genocide the soviet people of germany to promote and create some content with some kind of world consent, yes. it was conditional, there is the international day of remembrance, and so on and so forth, there is not enough strength for everything to move one concept. if like this smeared. yes, as i understand it, there are very big problems , and because maybe the people of such a people had a genocide of the soviet people, the concept of the soviet people appeared at best, tamed, but, in my opinion, it was taken on so that there was genocide. the nazis must have wanted to destroy some people. or religious, in principle, it doesn’t matter who the nazis wanted to destroy the communists, that is, it’s that there will be genocide due to political affiliation, i wouldn’t be afraid then by doing so, please, let’s

andrey nikolaevich well, firstly, i completely disagree, which means it was the destruction of the peoples of the soviet union if you now tell me that deliberate destruction, if we are talking about those figures that said deliberate destruction, up to eight million people are not considered to help, well, a person who is 14 from the conditions of war. this is not our is called genocide, and we do not look to consider this as deliberate destruction and cannot present something on the basis of this, but it is strange for me a war crime that they did not agree. you are from others with friends. yes? let's make it important for ourselves and the consciousness of our history. it's just a sport to talk through the next problem. it consists in the fact that andrei nikolaevich when he said that in our country in the nineties the holocaust, holocaust, holocaust began there and no one remembered soviet citizens according to the dead the war so then how did it end? we have this , what is this, the holocaust? we have dishwashing detergent or something, right? that is, we have this, as it were, disappeared. therefore, here you are, they are absolutely right, that with understanding in general with awareness of their place in history.

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prepared, not so wise and not so educated young people and their understanding stories. this is a question with no answer. three out of four young people are confident in their historical knowledge, according to a recent vciom study. however, more detailed polls conducted several years ago show that young russians are poorly informed about the history of their country. so the date of the beginning of the second world war was correctly named only by thirteen percent. in most cases, it is confused with the great fatherland , even fewer young people know when the civil war began, the younger generation gets confused and in simpler things. what is nazism, when people are trying to be killed or narcissism is narcissism, that is, in general, ah, the sixth cruel relationship with people can be called narcissism. yes , the well-known tiktokesha, dinasaeva, do not shine with historical knowledge and idols of youth, with difficulty, remembered

the first woman cosmonaut valentina tereshkova. blogger karina cross is sure that the most famous fact about leonid brezhnev. this is his craving for protocol kisses. and tv presenter nastya ivleeva, could not remember a single real name of prominent historical figures of russia than the surname is famous for. vstaling and it’s not just about ivle’s textbook examples , schoolchildren confuse leningrad and stalingrad, and lenin is considered the lead singer of the beatles a few years ago , the former minister of culture vladimir medinsky shared his observations. with students and saw that in russia for 20 years a generation of people has grown up who absolutely misunderstand the history of the country's property. they either

don't know anything, or they have a head full of all sorts of nonsense mikhail borisovich this is the situation described by medinsky. it rewinds. or here, too, a certain oblivion occurred in the minds, which you will not be able to rake back later. well, you know, if you invest money in some areas of science and education, then, of course, everything rewinds. and if we continue to perceive the social sciences as, uh. well, such let's say, soft, unimportant compared to exact ones. yes, because we love says that science is mathematics, physics, there, biology, chemistry, but there, uh , some kind of history or there, i don’t know , some kind of sermon. it's not understand what physicists are, as we know, for the same thaw they always loved, er, to look like lyricists walked with guitars. there, then the songwriters believe that they are real scientists, and they just like to study poetry as a hobby.

that's how cultured people are. that is, it is now an additive knowledge of poetry. and by the way, speaking in no way an uncultured additive story. yes, history somehow does not roll, like a cultural additive, and another question that seems to me that if our older generation, just like that on the street, we will also get a lot of interesting answers, and maybe not in relation to those soviet leaders under whom they lived and heard on tv every day, and in relation to those under which they did not live , they will absolutely swim in the same way, then the problem of a decade of the system. as a teacher, i will tell you that among the younger generation there is a problem of emptiness in their heads. but on the other hand, there is a certain openness there, if a person wants to study history, i saw very advanced people, at a very early age. uh, the problem is that the older

generation has other problems, they've gone ideologically, maybe wait a. maybe we're exaggerating a bit. e stories. well maybe not we don't need to get it all right yes. they knew everything, understood that everyone was professional stories. sorry, of course, it's great. it is interesting to invite a professional historian to some kind of public discussion, so that he can do something because, if you look, here is how vanya now drew attention to this, if the young people, uh, it means that there is no idea about one historical period in their heads, according to you , the older generation does not have the same knowledge about another historical film. well, then it's not a problem at all. this is a normal question. and what about problems? how far can you go down? uh, what can be counted as problems when a person cannot connect two words is this a problem? or when

we build only three links like this, the problem is that ah, if we we turn into ivan, there is nothing god of kinship, then you can do whatever you want with us. that's the problem is the right question. here, does our concept of a citizen include a certain set of knowledge of his country, yes, that is , can we consider that people, as the same rousseau said, yes, conclude, upon reaching, and there the age, some such social contract with their state. can we consciously become a citizen if it is about this state? nothing is a pity, right, it is absolutely for him. well, like, well, i don't know either start. leave, or even some kind of area. well, for which he, maybe, there is something to make money there, yes, that is, he has nothing to do with it. it seems to me that the problem is that modern different generations, but do not feel this connection with

our country, often not in a religious sense, that is, they do not see values, but history gives the concept of the value of their country. that is, if you know the history, you can most identify yourself as much as possible for your part, very good. i think the problem is that including the people who are these questions make up and how they want to rise above such an unfollowing audience. they don't know history themselves. here is the question. listen , we are sitting here, standing eight people. and who knows the date of the beginning of the civil war. i don't know what year you mean. no i think so, this stupid start date. i watched. someone suddenly for some reason. he writes and obviously it is in the exam that it is november 7th. and why am i not surprised that few people answered, because for me well, if you think about it, well, probably, kormilov went to petrograd in september the seventeenth and that’s already

civil war. you see, they believe that what some not very smart person wrote in the exam and this is the ultimate truth that you offered us 30 minutes ago. let's enter oblivion clearly everyone knows the date of the beginning of the second world war. well, as for the civil war, it's not like that, that's all. they themselves did not know there was another one not in the other. i saw the item also scoffed. now another other was a few years ago, and there, too, they scoffed, as if no one knew anything. they asked the date of the end of the civil war so far history, their coffee breaks the difference in five years. there back and forth back and forth i repeat i repeat, again the question. maybe it's not a problem after all. well, i don't know, actually, it's not a problem. why adults know history better. than youth. do you understand? why does it live longer everything

is primitive. it just lives longer and has a lot of interesting things to do. he can look, and young people know a lot of other interesting things than history, in general, therefore, the whole story is the whole story. uh, everything that they know fits into the framework of the school course, and everything, unfortunately, no need no questions everything is done either by self-education or additional education. actually about two different things. one thing. history is like a science, and history is different, like the doctrine of the state, which you actually start. well, roughly speaking, you understand what you contribute if, for example, soviet power was needed in the soviet years. she believed that it was useful to make alexander vasilievich suvorov of the holy prince alexander nevsky as heroes of the fatherland so they became heroes of the fatherland for several generations to come. although excuse me. this is not the same conversation that they directly knew the nevsky who really was. well, and understand his biography in political decisions. it is possible to infinity. but you don’t drain that this is

a hero who, on which your whole history is actually strung, and citizenship is brought up on these examples. you have a certain historical skeleton that you give at school. and this, well, the position of a citizen will tell you that when they say that these examples are false and a citizen you will also grow some kind of cognac such examples that you are simply not allowed to demolish in any state, there will be no need to worry about the state. therefore, excuse me, the french continue to celebrate the day of taking the style and sing marseza. although excuse me, this is also our position . that we generally go to the tombs of napoleon, my dears, i can give an example back here, please, the mobilization resource of the historical science of ukraine with absurd and lies, but it works. and it is proposed to lie in this way, but to build your own concept that will educate citizens who understand why they are here and why else do they want it? naturally? somehow we are very striving, yes, in my opinion, uh turning history into some kind of uh tool, yes, which

we are tools. yes, nothing new. here, no, history has always and everywhere been to a large extent an instrument of politics and it is pointless and useless to fight this. the question is that history at the mass level should work, how safety engineering is studied . there will be physics. this is obzh as it is now good. this is good. it's oh my god, well chemistry. here such-and-such a substance can be dangerous. yes. eh, same thing with history . bring the revolution, please, don't do it. this will be bad. that's about good, but others say yes. wait a minute , he'll come up with an example. well, what is it, uh, the combination of uh chemical elements gives uh and a good reaction in the history of the clitoris, and the height, and in the history of certain uh, a set of

positive and negative examples. yes. uh , what do you just now sorry for the example, but the revolution and how positive they presented an example of it as a negative one, so we need to choose something like a repetition, or we don’t want to repeat it. this is the state political they want, or to what extent they want, to what extent they wanted. this is a safety issue for the state, so that its citizens feel their involvement in this, e state. and if the state you go out in the head. if i understand everything with you, yes, if you don’t have an ideology in such a state, yes, you don’t have an understanding. what kind of story you want? and you can't do it? yes, alexander nikolaevich alone will consider safety precautions. tell me that the revolution is good, the other needs 2 seconds. that

is, then you need some kind of ideology. still , there is no need for ideology, there is no need. and in general, as it were, i think that these girls who showed them do not need to know more. they say that it does not prevent them from earning money, what is it? there were no issues to solve any issues at all. i did amazingly well in school in chemistry. so what? well, nothing. therefore , here, perhaps, what is important, in fact , it is necessary to understand what the history of school means will not form, in short, the femininity of patriotism by itself. as for the ukrainian mobilization resource, i can say one thing next time, okay, we won’t have time for you, but you. i know there is no article here. well, good. yes , a short pause, we will talk at home, a mother of many children from luhansk does not know what kind of

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a tool for serving political interests, konstantin alexander, i would answer this question somewhat paradoxically as the world remained and in our country in the world. there remains a huge respect for history, and it has turned completely into an element of political manipulation. it was and will be a tool if one does not use this tool. you will get these tools under the head from the opposite side. that's all. maxim anatolyevich well , respect remains, but knowledge is very small in the era of post-truth. history has become a myth and indeed a tool. i was convinced of this the other day when my colleague is smart. in general, the person is completely serious to me said that in 1799 suvorov came to switzerland to free it from napoleon's curtain. in the previous part, mikhail borisovich , in my opinion, said when the conversation turned, and i say the revolution, it is necessary to work out relations. here in my opinion. history is not about

developing relationships. history is about what happens before understanding the facts , understanding how it really happened, but we will leave the relationship to all any interested parties, not me, of course. i now think that and it's terrible that a person does not know. where did suvorov come? in what year and whom? from whom it’s terrible, this is a complete misunderstanding of all processes in general. if you don't understand, don't write these things about it. it seems to me that it is necessary. i always urge you to be more modest, that people will then be drawn to you to live without a memory, of course, it’s bad, but i have much more prosaic examples: one tipsy, but very peaceful uncle returns home, takes the elevator to his floor, goes out and understands that he i forgot what apartment he lives in. well, it starts to spin around this site. there are a lot of apartments there, well, he takes out the key and starts to sew in one of the locks the door opens and there is a woman standing. he says, i'm sorry i

live here. she says no, i live here. i say sorry i forgot. closed under the door. he again begins to cut circles, walks, walks, in general, is recovering. as a result, again at this apartment the door begins to open again, it means that i live here, i live here. i, in general, like this, four times, all this repeated itself, when it opens the doors again, it screams, i will now call the police. i say that i live here, well, how is it it turns out that you live everywhere, and i'm nowhere it was a meeting place that can not be changed 14:00. weekdays ntv all the best, goodbye.