[000:00:00;00] beloved oksana goncharenko and sergey baganov ntv voronezh, and that’s all thanks for being the first to blink the new tenth package is developing what other sanctions europe will have enough imagination for. so we don’t understand anything, how the west began to transfer the arrested russian assets to ukraine russia will have to pay for the destruction. and for what amount nationalizes the property of ukrainian oligarchs in the crimea to earn the enemies of russia on the territory of the crimea will not be about this today

in our program. i'm on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. i'm andrey norkin - my colleague, ivan trushkin. we are working live. once again, i apologize for any possible such voice inconsistency. today we wanted to talk about economic issues, touch on financial property issues. by the way, let's talk about property matters. hmm. you can call it right , of course, but let's start, because there is something new here, as far as i understand, and for the first time a third party uses this form against a russian citizen. there's a pressure of punishment like a cash withdrawal of this a citizen of the russian federation with the subsequent transfer of these funds to the armed forces of ukraine, this is naturally done by the authorities of this third country. it is clear that we are talking about the americans, here, and the russian citizen who

received such an honor turned out to be konstantin malafei. indeed , we have the answer. and, probably, we can say that this is just the case when the answer in the mirror is correct. well , he would be mirrored if it was against the american comrades, since not ukrainian comrades not exactly mirrored, but and it's not about money, and these processes are completely unrelated. here is anton valeevich, as a cunning person and, uh, smart at the same time. yes, he is right here, so yes, we will start with him. let's see the plot, which says, actually on ours. answer konstantin malafeev, we'll move on a little later. this is how mr. kharchenko will now explain to us, why these processes cannot be considered interconnected in any way. the crimean authorities will soon nationalize the property of ukrainian oligarchs several banks and factories, last friday the deputies of the crimean parliament. they adopted a resolution on the nationalization of the property of ukrainian oligarchs on the territory of the peninsula. so far, they have counted about 50 enterprises belonging to

the ukrainian gods, supporting the current kiev regime and sponsoring the armed forces, and a total of 500 properties, of course, from the fourteenth year. e. and the russian authorities and the crimean authorities tried to organize relations with ukraine in the new political realities, but time has passed. ah, the ukrainian government. practically crushed everything ukrainian lisa today, not unfortunately, there are no entrepreneurial enterprises connected with ukraine. vladimir konstantinov said that the creator of the battalion banned in russia would part with his property. azov igor kolomoisky is the richest man in ukraine. the sponsor of the all-union renatakhmetov , the former prime minister of ukraine arseniy yatsenyuk , is running an anti-terrorist commission, which, in general, finds out the exact connection between the current owners. uh, with those true beneficiaries of this whole system

thanks to this work and revealed. here the true owners in those enterprises that we are talking about, the previous wave of large-scale nationalization in crimea took place in november of last year, then about 130 objects of ukrainian oligarchs were nationalized, among them several large construction stores alexander gerega with a net profit of more than 600 million rubles together with his wife at the beginning of 2022 donated 10 million dollars for the needs of the armed forces. here the nationalization hit the shipyard bay, which is believed to belong to constantine's belly, which at the beginning transferred to the ukrainian army about six million dollars the crimean authorities say that the days that have come under the control of the state about the enterprise will close and the residents will keep their jobs to earn. uh, the enemies of russia on the territory of the crimea will not stand. i understand. yes, fundamental. this means that our common position is that all labor collectives remain, except for directly personally authorized persons and there were some from the shareholders who

carried out the will of the kiev leaders. it is also promised that the nationalization will affect only those who oppose russia are foreigners who are not keen on actions. they can still safely own real estate. and one more fundamental point, all nationalized objects will be put up for auction, and the proceeds will go to the needs of a special military operation without exception. we are a principled position. that is, as if not to leave anything in other forms, that is, accordingly , we will not lease the money received, respectively, from the sale of these objects. first of all , put on equipment, respectively units that perform the duty of protecting our motherland like this. why can't we consider it somehow, because these are two parallel processes. and the fact that we have a master, that's where they take away our citizenship, which means that from the nationalization in the crimea they have been talking for a long time. uh-huh now made

steps. if you remember, we even discussed this at this studio last year, in my opinion, even somewhere in the middle of the year, because there was an initiative that, uh, got into the duma, but there they sent it back to work for consideration. yes, okay, in general, the whole story with nationalization in crimea, of course, it is very interesting from the point of view of the legal structure, because our constitution says very clearly on what grounds this can be done, that is , they did it only through a court decision here by the decision of the state council. therefore, in principle, those from whom they have now nationalized, respectively, these enterprises. they theoretically can go through the entire universe of the system, the courts of the russian federation and then challenge in the constitutional court. another idea for you. do you understand now judges come to us, yes, and we will have enough of them another question is that, naturally, there is no one to simply press the process to sue, of course , it is impossible now, but in general, and on the whole, it says that this is completely legally , honestly, i would this is it,

just a little bit. again, this reverence, there is an international right of hearing. no, it has not been international law with anyone for a long time. this is our russian legislation, which , in my opinion, must be respected, because if it has not begun to be observed in one place, it means that in another place it may be then, in any case, this is more likely a response to kiev’s actions in relation to just the same, uh , the seizure of assets that are connected with russia and quite natural responses, as we correctly understood that let the courts go. let, as it were , leave your rights there further. now it's time for malofeev. it's very important here. this is a very important story. we just have a whole time. related in this part, we will show a story about malafeev and maybe for now here, because well, you yourself have now set an interesting direction for the conversation. that is, like everything is clear. and they have been talking about this for a long time, but you see, mr. khoschenko sees certain discrepancies in our point of view. there is no correct legal.

well, let's do it according to the concepts correctly according to the law, to put it mildly, it seems that justice is inevitably replacing the concepts. yes, this seems to be an inevitable military logic. what is there, what is here the first to seize justice for the sake of justice, there is another matter. me seems so wild and dishonest. and when we allow ourselves here is a twofold reaction there our oligarch in kiev seized property. we resent how illegal. and here in the crimea we withdraw. the ukrainians. well, that's okay. it's all good, that's why i don't like it here, both. i thank, uh, judge what, i'm not a government official, and i don't have to make these decisions , i can say that i don't like it. but it looks like a question. why don't you like it about these? these are not just some ukrainian businessmen chosen at random, who were decided, that is, by chance. yes sorry to dig under them for some sweet spots and so for a walk take this

oligarchs who finance the armed forces of ukraine do not hesitate to talk about it , they are proud of it and in every possible way now we will be honestly sponsored by the enemy. why why do we regret it now, you understand, i choose my words carefully. i do not regret anything, especially since i made the decision. it’s unpleasant for me, purely aesthetic, it’s unpleasant for me when people’s property is confiscated, and that’s it. i don't argue with that because it's probably inevitable in the current military situation, but how would you dissemble and say that oh class. it pleases me. let's find more. what kind of invincible his daughter or husband should say, there is an apartment, here is your scheme, i am unpleasant to you when property is confiscated from a person, say, you are also unpleasant when property is confiscated from a person who earns money here and determines and sends assets money

to kill russian soldiers is equally unpleasant for you. and moreover, it’s unpleasant for me, it’s unpleasant for me when malafeev has a which we will i know later to speak. i know, i know when active newcomers are withdrawn. here is an honest answer now, and then we will no longer pester you. there, it seems to me, a long time. what are you going to shut me up with or what? i'm just tell me please will it be unpleasant for you if, according to the decision of some european union of uh football federations, a decision is made to seize property from the dynamo moscow football club in the sense of some good player there? quietly i said pain point knows i'll take you it will be nice. but i don't see. no, it won't be cool for me. and if

you understand the same thing from the zenit football club, why are dynamo fans different, for example , turn off the microphone from spartak, please, all this demagogy. i don't want to just listen to the whole word is decided. yes ok. igor nikolaevich also stops everything. let's talk about the legal conflict. and about the illegality of e does not correspond to the law. does the state council decide the parliament? then the regions of the russian federation and if this decision contradicts something, it will be challenged the protest of the prosecutor's office will be lawsuits in the courts of interested parties and so on. if these claims of these protests are not technically all laws are observed clearly and unequivocally. this does not comply with the legislation that was before this decision. this decision forms a new

legal space. and in this regard, i agree that this is a very dangerous legal space, because when a gun hangs, it shoots sooner or later, when it is possible to take away property in this way, sooner or later it will be taken away. that is, wait you mean to say that we are taking away property from the ukrainian oligarchs and no justice, about which he speaks wait, because the phrase take away property. yes ok. okay, we 're collecting this property that belongs to people involved in the terrorist threat. there is against a veteran. this property is absolutely fair, and we see it as absolutely legally mixed in criminals after this decision is taken by a scandalous body, but the nuance in the future is our task to make sure that in the future on the territory of the russian federation on other grounds and for other reasons, and here one reason was used by the authorities of the crimea. what they say is that the measures that they use are not against all ukrainian businessmen

who work there. if you finance, if you send this money to finance the ukrainian army. that's when the courts, if only the tool that had to be applied here, but it is important that it be exceptional and then not be used in other areas. andrey vladimirovich said that all this is garbage, as we know, the continuation is all garbage, except for what? yes, explain half of the money that gazprom pays to ukraine goes to the need for everything. well, wait, stop. catch something too, so we have and for reasons that i may not like, but there are certain relations between our country and ukraine, as soon as this yes gazprom this money. but we, unfortunately, cannot forbid the ukrainian authorities to spend this money, as they used to. i don't know andrei vasilyevich well , they pay for transit why half of you

can't even know that, even yermak can't know. ukraine about this decision, please, the money is withdrawn and away, then what else is connected here, you need to understand one thing, that hmm, these are the actions that are now, in principle, of course , they are not legal, but these do not matter god is with him, this is the situation, but they will lead to another that the crimea will never work. i'll say it's gold right away, it's clear because the studios told us 25 times that the scythian autumn gold was never before the military operation. you were you were, and now, the more we said that it would not work, but the court's decision once again. uh, the announcements were postponed, they tried this very thing, but to bring in protests and so on. now, after these decisions on crimea

, there will be no golden gold, and i see that. who is waiting for a decision on the crimea and says, you see, this is wildly annoying. sorry, i won’t say it differently, when and they tell us, if you do this, then sanctions are imposed against you , guys, they are, for any reason, what difference does it make, we will not do the same, here scythian teeth in general, no matter what. here, no matter what. we must too in our interests, regardless of any threat of sanctions, they will still be what's the difference. this i agree with you. well, now with scythian gold, what about the seizure of property. well, again, let's not, as far as the law is concerned, sooner or later each of us will finish our earthly journey correctly, it doesn't matter. that's how we will behave, but does this mean that we should strive to somehow speed up this process. now we'll go breaking bad to clean in any case.

explain to me why here you can do this, but in the situation. here is the one i am describing you don't have to do that. see, right ? yes, once again we must do what is in our interest, no matter what the sanctions, you say, sooner or later. we will still face further sanctions. they will run into us against us and behave completely illegally. if, therefore, we have to give a damn about all this, including our own laws, and do what i said then, it turns out a little. we should not generally accept the arguments from the series, otherwise we are lying to the crimean with the kiev gold or otherwise. we have indeed, it will be so. well, it will be different here. it’s another matter here, yes, according to the law, as far as the law is concerned, anton said absolutely everything correctly, and we even act strictly according to the law and again agree that if you broke the law once, it will be violated in other matters. i had to not do it. with all due respect to the crimean authorities, populism, but to carry it all through court decisions

through the prosecutor's office and so on. fortunately, there was a lot of laws for depriving property there. they violated this one potentially, well owner. although, because they didn't pay the budget of the russian federation, they started jailing there. that's not the point here, how would they remove this question. to the side. here, the question is still a bit rational. yes , when our property in ukraine is confiscated , our oligarchs, or we seize ivanovich otherwise , we or we seize ukrainian property, who is not there, there is absolutely no pity for anyone. yeah, if the russian oligarchs. after the fourteenth year, they kept their property in ukraine, these are their personal problems, because the christmas tree was clear. to what it will lead to in exactly the same way the property of the ukrainian oligarchs. in crimea , it was necessary to seize n- number of years ago, but strictly according to the law of god well, they explained well, yes, let's, let's, we are from the example with which you started. yes, uh, there really is seized with the name of konstantin malafeev, the first one is to emphasize something

in france, in my opinion. 2 years under the san - just for the first time, his assets are taken and transferred directly to the needs of the armed forces of ukraine without trial in the united states of america, as it is, on february 4, the united states announced that will give ukraine almost 5 1/2 million dollars confiscated from russian businessman konstantin malafeev, allegedly because he , contrary to sanctions, tried to transfer them to a business partner in the russian embassy , ​​they noticed how easily the united states forgot the seemingly basic principle of american society, but immunity private property, using various legal tricks and manipulations, local authorities went on the outright theft of other people's property to please a opportunistic foreign businessman sent a signal that their assets are not protected by local laws and can be confiscated at any time under far-fetched pretexts in the eu with russian blocks.

assets are still on ceremony, but they continue to think about how to transfer them to ukraine and not violate the law, the european commission has already figured out a way to capitalize 34 billion euros, which are on deposits in european banks. russia will have to pay for the destruction and contribute to the reconstruction of ukraine, therefore , together with partners. we are exploring the possibility of using russian state assets in the interests of ukraine , the europeans are considering several options. the first to invest the frozen russian money and send all the income to ukraine, while the russian funds themselves on deposits, it seems, until they steal another tougher way , philanthropic estonia offers a completely different solution, which will be of interest to us, which just consists in change the legal regime in the european union in the eu countries in order to allow the confiscation of russian assets, including active centers of the central bank are

frozen up, but on the territory. union so viktorovich this is the story of malafeev. this is a special case. well, because for some reason it happened like this, or is it such a trial sharik and is looking at how american investors, european investors of power banks will look at it, how is it in general? all will pass. if it passes without excitement, you can grab these 3-4 billion in europe according to the same scheme, i guarantee that only applause a will pass without excitement and it will undoubtedly continue in the united states and in canada where there was already an example in canada with one company. there was a company with a company, and in europe europe will follow. uh, just like that, i’ll immediately say applause and arab investors under the applause of chinese investors, who are looking at all this and understanding , i should have been in his place, and you know, and chinese investors arab investors understand very well what they don’t understand some of our people who are.

anti-westerners, while being anti-westernists, while they firmly believe in the fact that the west is very fair and that's it. that's honestly and according to a very correct attitude and equal treatment of all no. the law is respected and private property is respected in the west for its western people, when it comes to now, when it comes to countries that the west er, considers, or identifies as an adversary? these laws do not apply to them, although formally. they do not refuse this, but they find various tricks and various ones. wait, therefore, and the bathhouse is a very good example, and andrey vladimirovich , please wait, and vanya is a good example

brought i began to remember something like that. there were uh, very dramatic relations between uh the british crown, yes, her majesty her family and various investors from egypt from all sorts of oil from all sorts of countries there, who felt great in london, then it means that when the story happened there with diana it was would be worse, then it seems different. well, nevertheless, there is some kind of smoldering light in these relations. and uh, if now the western country, quite frankly , starts blowing on this light to fan the flame, to to devour that's all someone else's take it to yourself in one question. e becomes very vicious. but as investors from these countries from other countries. they don’t seem to do anything bad, but you understand, they can’t wake up alone and find themselves in the place of the same malafey, for god’s sake you are an investor from the united arab emirates or from oman or from kuwait, for example, from

jordan, so from a boat that behaves badly in attitude towards lgbt yes, on the territory of which one of the largest us air force bases in the middle east is located do you think americans will treat lgbt people like anyone else banning alcohol. they listen to the sacred there for those who can be criticized, and so they criticize in the report. the state department , they don't give a damn about it, qatar is an ally of the united states, so qatari investors are fine. they know this very well , they know that russia is an adversary for the united states, and qatar for the united states is not to worry about the means. until now, i will finish worrying about the funds. as much as we would not like it, but worry about the means. malafeeva no one in the frame, not in the emirates or in india, they should not

worry about the funds. you answer no, andrey vladimirovich, please don't fuss. so let's help here this one of our own. yes, i listen to you, first, is an investor. if this is the case, then this is the money that was on the personal, so that the first. yes, especially the first one. secondly, american law is. the sash that the persons that this does not apply to russia is only the persons under sanctions whose funds frozen can be confiscated if a person tries to violate the sanctions imposed on him in the case of malafeev , this is the same. this is just repeating your question. because viktor explained the tasks there, andrey vladimirovich said no. we still see in the suit of the attorney general of the united states to find that paper hole through which you will drag

the confiscation of these assets. it needs to be even a bad average lawyer. here sees the same thing, a chinese businessman who is associated with some hua. if china, which is also subject to sanctions, you will have all this history at this moment the same. no. no , he won't drape, because he ran away quite specifically, do you understand? no, i say again, this is not the first case, it was the case with the panamanians and so on, not the first. well, okay. in general, andrey vladimirovich says that foreigners should still think, because if they behave badly and get caught. and this can be done in a very simple way. andrei vladimirovich is your bearing reference. on in fact, here, uh, a lot of talk is overdone and, uh, the same thing is popularized as the crimean ones, for example, uh, crimean property, if it is initialized, it is pure crimean well

, everything will be put up there, someone will buy, who will be second right away the second argument is that the money will be used to equip the army. we don’t have money in the budget, you can’t give money to the budget for equipping the army in the army. even an hour later, now the regional authorities, not only in the crimea, collected and accumulated some money and sent it to me. regions, this is already a well-known scheme is another matter. this is an initiative of the masses - this is, perhaps, an initiative again of the local budget. this is possible. i'm not sure that the money in the crimea will go to the local budget. and i would actually be surprised if this happened, because crimea is russia this is a violation of the budget process the same in the case of the united states from which it actually follows that the money will go to ukraine they declare this generator, attorney general of the united states there is no such solution. i specifically

looked today. i am not this. yes and you can before saying anything, but in the same way, money in the united states is not colored. this is a fine for violating the sanctions regime. yes, fines are actually fines. for example, i cannot manage the fines that are taken from me for violating traffic rules. you understand obviously, actually. then ivan ivanovich will overdo it a lot here. why announce this if later it turns out that you didn’t send these 5 million and they will start telling you from all sides that you were telling a lie, to put it mildly, but roughly speaking, this is what the press writes. don't be surprised. they are here, just announced. e about this specifically, because yes, you need to, uh, refer to something. after all, ursula fondala said, well , she said a long time ago, we'll figure it out. uh-huh mechanism is complicated.

he says that we don’t really understand yet, well, we will definitely invent it, how are they all? they'll go hither and thither. we are discussing individual cases. and by the way, sorry you never answered. what difference does it make who will participate in the auction and buy this nationalized real estate in the crimea is that some kind? well, that is, it will be normal if, for example, uh, sobyanin sells the kremlin at auction. igor nikolaevich is the most calm russian property. let's argue about specific situations of momentary moments, as if forgetting about the general picture, the general picture is there, as a result , everything that concerns us here will eventually be withdrawn one way or another. yeah, everything will go over, as far as they are concerned, and we are in a more advantageous situation here, so that the balance is formed

apparently, this situation is in our direction, and we see an interesting picture of the transfer of ownership to foreign commercial enterprises, where foreigners themselves ran away and gave back for three for a quarter of the money invested, in fact. affairs have passed control over many large businesses there, the network, as an example , there is a larger business there now, to whom they sell on paper, yes, but into the hands of russian investors, and they obviously invested less than they would have invested in building themselves. and less. moreover, western technology is all that is needed, in this regard we win quite well in terms of, and situations in terms of threats to the entire system. from the monetary united states, it is clear that a person will not die from one mosquito bite, but there will be certain irritation and we understand the statistics that arab investors and chinese investors also see. in general , foreign investors. less invest significantly less than the same periods

of previous years in securities, the united states of america the only one who invests more is the europeans. well actually for this, the states are doing everything so that the europeans completely become their colonies and are completely under control. and this is an obvious situation, so it is impossible to say that people do not notice at all, obviously investors. they notice it. so let's take a little break. let's continue in a few minutes. the attack was planned carefully, we 're investigating. i think without our not done. i know what connections he has and where he can do whatever he wants and nothing will happen to him for this. you know very well what it is. there will be a resonant case, they will not

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is not even these 10 billion. but the fact that this package should fix the holes in the previous packages, which we seem to be actively using. let's talk about this a little more about the fact that the european union is preparing a new portion of anti-russian sanctions, they reported last friday. for the eu summit, ukraine in kiev came to the main gynecology of europe ursula fondylein, the head of the european council, charles michel and a dozen other european commissioners. actually news about sanctions, the only one than european ones. the allies were able to please the president of the terrorist zelensky to accept the tenth package of peace, they promise the anniversary of the start of special operations, according to the polish press , it will be banned. in google, russian diamonds and exports to russia of dual-use goods also promise new sanctions against the russian press. but most importantly, the publication writes, the tenth package will close the gaps in the already adopted restrictions, the new tenth package is being developed, which will further increase the pressure and these sanctions

work. we are watching the economy and private business the kremlin should be held accountable the us in turn , as bloomberg reported, wants to triple the duty on aluminum from russia russia is the world's second largest producer of aluminum and calls such measures against our country prohibitive the percentage duty on russian aluminum traditionally us imports from russia is about 10% of total imports, so this actually means a complete cessation of this import. none will want to pay this price biden administration for several months doubt. as for this decision, in the meantime, new assessments of the state of the russian economy for the west arrived in time, the amazing promised fall of 8.5% did not happen, and this year they even predict growth, and in 2024, according to the forecasts of the same international monetary fund , the russian economy will grow better than the american one and

the european did not predict that the economy was about to collapse we predicted years of food shortages years of suffocation for russia a. now the latest growth forecasts of the international monetary fund. they say that the exact opposite of us russia will not only not plunge into recession, but its growth in the next 2 years will be higher than that of the european union or the united states yes , the imf figures are sensational, it is obvious that the predicted catastrophe will not happen so we do not understand anything, do we know what it is complete collapse, is the policy of sanctions effective at all? so andrey ilyinovich, this uncle french, he doesn’t understand anything, but you understand everything, yes, because it’s funny say 0.3% growth, which is more growth eu two and one tenth next year. we talked about growth next year and the imf is talking about everything. next year can not country belligerent country. so, once again, in addition to the stupid uncle on french television, a bunch of stupid people are sitting in the international monetary fund, which

they have been reading yes, it is russia, two and one tenth of a percent, the european union, one and six tenths of a percent, the united states one percent. this is the imf forecast for 24 years. explain this idiot. andrey vladimirovich finally already, that it is impossible to work in such conditions with their moronic forecasts. here. please explain, all russian economists, they say that the imf forecast is, excuse me, varnished, so to speak . it can’t be a country that is at war, yes, and which in the first month received a huge budget deficit of almost two trillion rubles. sorry grow up. such rates. as for the clarification , read the clarification. you know, i understand that perfectly. it's fantastic everywhere. this, however, the budget deficit does not contradict the growth of the economy. yes, for

the united states look and you will understand that the budget deficit does not contradict the growth of the economy. let's try, so i say again, well, excuse me, now, since monday, the sanctions against our oil products will already lead to the fact that 50 million dollars will be explained to the frenchman, to be honest, of course, any forecasts about savings, as in russia like what the eurozone is like the united states is all such a very conditional thing. no, this is how it was said that all russian experts believe that economists? why, the imf data is liquor-lacquering. really why am i here and would like to know why the imf is locking? maybe i won’t comment on what is, but at the end of the year we’ll see the basis for no discussion at all, because there’s nothing under this , some kind of magical economists.

what a gap there is in two trillion, which is easy to explain, i won’t even waste time on it, whoever wants to get on the internet will read all this for a long time to explain, you know, they can get somewhere to read another package of a bag. see everything else. there are two points. first. the first moment is from the point in terms of the logic of political confrontation and in terms of explaining the internal audience. what is their leadership doing in order to still tighten the screws, and inflict some damage on russia is logic. she says that they need to receive regular packets all the time. and yet they themselves speak. all the main measures that they could take now are some kind of sedimentary tweaks, the second story, which is more significant. they conducted a package of sanctions that are completely different. yes, there is a set of sanctions. they see that some of them don't work, some of them they work so-so, so, of course, this carries certain risks for us, and they will try to plug these holes, as far as they succeed, we'll see, because they are such holes, we punch holes in other places. well, for example, like

oil with an anchor fleet, which you supposedly know, as a simple example i give, which means that the main mistake that we sometimes make when we give estimates is that we try to evaluate specific events. but these sanctions will affect or these steps will affect. in fact , you need to evaluate the process. what is the process there is a process of tough confrontation, in which less and less changes weekly monthly every second hourly. that is , today they introduced it, tomorrow they will try something else. we will answer this with this, that is, this is a dynamic story that is difficult to say, now they will win, win, or we are now defeating this process, and we are inside the process and the last one i will still answer - this is literally one sentence about crimea listen here, what the audience found understood, if, uh, here is this scheme, then it will be implemented with the auction sale of these enterprises. this is credited to the regional budget, since the region has implemented it, and then it goes quietly from the regional budget in a targeted way to where it is needed, including, if they say

to explain, everything is now gone before the interview , there was an interesting version that this sanctions roll. if i am quoting you correctly, this is such an answer to their failed military roll-on and by the summer of 23 this sanctions sunset should reach the peak am i right as an actor, that is, uh, in theory , it’s obvious now, yes, that sanctions do not work here the goals that they set were not their goal not to destroy the russian economy, but to bring russia to the world. this is the method. what are you talking about? unfortunately, i am your opinion, as usual. better wrong and uh in this in this situation in this situation ah. here, firstly , they have no other options but to continue these sanctions , because they can stop if they remain not working or not working as they should. well , political costs are impossible, these stops will be an order of magnitude more than consequence sanctions.

what would it be logical to do in this situation, if now the military roll-out really fails, which is planned in the spring in the summer in the form of this large-scale ukrainian counter-offensive on crimea, the last chance of the last hope will be this sanctions roll-up will take some maximum super-duper package in the middle of the year which will have to something. maybe such a super-duper has entered everything else in the nuclear industry, how could the nuclear industry. yes, that is , everything that is possible, because once again i say that only you can who spoke to both michel and this old one. i have already rightly said that they have already said everything that is possible without prejudice to us, that it is also impossible to stuff options on this day. let's go because you wanted to object, but go to bed, as always, which means that if someone is waiting, if someone is waiting for the collapse of the russian economy, it will not be true. no, i'm not talking about you now, but i 'm more about those western ones there are no uh

waiters who were waiting for this, but of course, unfortunately, the effect on the economy is heavy and significant symptomatic. here on the yaroslavl highway not far. the abc of taste was up to its own. now there pyaterochka yes, it's a little russian economy kneels in one particular house. the abc of tastes is not funny. this is a symptom of the fact that people in russia are more aware of how fast they change? i hope i have no one now. it seems to me that this suggests that people are getting a little smarter, because they go to the alphabet of taste and wear what they sell there for this money. sorry and when we wait asked a question. give answer, please look at the statistics on the automotive industry. so what's going on there. and what is happening with us, for example, with the air fleet. and what

will happen in the future is the cannibalization of aircraft, you understand, because we cannot acquire new ones, our russian ms-20s are not ready. they are not yet produced foreign, which we, unfortunately, unfortunately, ruined the soviet aircraft industry and continued not only in the nineties. and you continued to make you out of it in that the situation is very difficult and will not, well, you don’t need to feed yourself with some of these. here is the vector, you said that there will be no collapse of the economy, so it will be like this, uh, slow. ok then. let's have a little. that's slow and slow. everything is worse. worse worse worse. until some point, yes, or what will be. eh, we will get poorer, we will live poorer and poorer, and at some point it will be commonplace. here is a poor life, all the collapse, there will be no goal. it is clear

who went to russia who told him that he said everything that you had no money until the age of 50 will. he speaks, and then he speaks, and then he will get used to it, yes, that's right, dear friends. let's take a look at the general situation, not the specifics of the situation, there are planes or something else, i agree that technical issues are already being resolved, and the imf , the world bank and our ministry of economy give more or less the same forecasts. even more conservative. well, it's all just about the growth of the economy and the growth of the russian economy. you understand the situation, not there, not according to the formula, negative growth is clearly visible, yes, but according to the real growth of the russian economy. and this is all happening under unprecedented conditions. this non-template is truly unprecedented. uh, sans with respect to the russian economy is a fact fact, we

are discussing restructuring internal changes, but the overall picture remains a fact that the russian economy is growing. why, despite all the tough sanctions, it is obvious, because the russian economy in connection with the beginning of all these actions, but is now overestimated within the framework of the global economy and after, even if we manage to grow, after our end, but sooner or it's all late ends comes to some result. i am sure that we will achieve a positive result. and the next step will be drastic. the russian economy because a number of restrictions will still go away will be a big bird. he more will be more investment. we must understand this, and the russian economy is using this economic potential, which has now been created, wait. i'd like to have the last few minutes of this part. here's what to ask you. let's uh, as if we had one position from which we entered this discussion. that's what you said it means that the imf forecasts are a varnishing of reality, and that's it. this, then, is complete nonsense, and it has just been said here that

the world bank, the imf, and ours , well, our forecasts give approximately the same numbers, even more so, yes, well, in the near future i understand that i don’t want them too late. all the same, everything will end, the special operations are over. all right, wait, kiselyov lavrova asks when it will all end. that was the perfectly correct answer. so, when it all ends with our victory from another option, damn it, they didn’t even look. what do you think here this west offended. the fact that, well , it didn’t work out the way he wanted. eh , it means he will try his best to keep some kind of this sanction, or something like well, everything is here, that everything is clear with this one. no problem. let's unscrew everything back again and do it, as everything used to be in english, but protestant culture, and the saying is thicker, the smile widens the wallet, russia's wallet becomes thicker, therefore, sooner

or later a smile appeared. but i did not understand this. the answer to your questions, to be honest, is very very beautiful, but let's try achieved by the military-political beam. well, that is, relatively speaking, we have some kind of military successes that force us to achieve victory by political means. if because then they are, because if it is i believe in it, then there are military successes that forces ukraine and stocks up at the negotiating table and formalize all these negotiations accordingly then. yes , you can really count on the fact that part of the sanctions will at least be clear. let me finish, please, if there is a victory achieved exclusively by military means. well, that is, relatively speaking, we are forces, as it were , achieving our victory, and from the other side. this, of course, will cause a backlash. they will prepare for the next attacks in the next counter and the sanctions will not be lifted. they will only

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first? yes, of course, the goal is clear. will it succeed europe to abandon our oil, if we remove this oil from the market, chaos will come. will the embargo on oil products hit the russian economy? it was a real bomb and the policy completely failed both with the help of natural resources. the west is trying to rock the national question in our country. well of course the natural resource belongs to the people about it right now. ntv is a place where everything becomes clear to him, we continue. today we are talking about mainly economic, some financial topics. what forecasts come true? what no what plans implemented? which is not very, therefore, as always. here in this piece there are a couple more words about what does not seem to apply to the topic, but nevertheless. whose first is what concerns nizhny novgorod. well, you understand, i'm talking about an elective instead of a meeting, which i call it that andrey norkin, another format,

which means february 11th. uh, dk is red sorm, there are almost no tickets left. and of course, this is a minus. but those that are left alone are the most affordable. this, apparently, is a plus. yes, even from the point of view of those experts whom andrey vladimirovich fedorov ran into in the previous part on february 12. uh, cultural center october in the city there are even fewer tickets , which means muscovites, and on the seventeenth of march, the cinema house is there? tickets are selling well, and on the twenty-sixth of february we are making such a chamber venue. this is the amaret club in moscow and st. petersburg and kazan on march 19 and march 25. we just started selling tickets. that is, you can now have your plans and my plans together. here we can implement them. agreed no questions. now to the less pleasant plans that our opponents are implementing. and they have in general planning. eh, that's fine, that's another matter.

what is the result can be disputed, but everything is clearly spelled out in them almost the same as in my gazik. on february 5th, new restrictions came into force. you probably remember this in our programs. this is another ceiling there and an embargo on oil products. right? let's, we'll see, after all, today we have not the fifth, but the seventh e what happened in these couple of days and what are the expectations, respectively, only i have a request to you, dear guests. let's we first and talk about the result. that 's it for the west, for them, for those who, yes, separately about us, so as not to dump everything in one heap. please give me a plot. on february 5, the price ceiling and embargo on russian oil products, gasoline, kerosene , fuel oil, solvents, raw materials for the petrochemical industry, the goal is clear for our geopolitical opponents and opponents to limit, e, russian budget revenues. hmm, but the matter is perfect.

come on, we don't lose anything from this loss ceiling for the russian tech and for the economy and budget. no, there are no losses, because at these prices we sell the ceiling set at $100 per barrel for light oil products and kerosene and forty-five dollars per barrel for dark products, such as fuel oil, if the price at the port of shipment exceeds these values, then companies from the european union and the g7 countries are forbidden both to provide their tanks for the transportation of russian oil, and to insure them, however , cunning the european union has provided a loophole for legally circumventing its own sanctions. if a russian oil product is processed by mixing in a third country other than russia with a product from that country , the oil product will no longer be considered a russian ceiling. prices will not be applied the expert is sure that russia will not suffer from the withdrawn embargo, and the eu will indeed calmly circumvent its own sanctions , moreover, the production of petroleum products may

increase in other countries, and russia will be able to benefit from the growth in crude oil supplies, nothing prevents the processing of russian oil , for example in india and then the resulting conditionally, do not send russian oil products to europe but all these cunning manipulations, experts warn, will lead to an inevitable rise in prices and harm to the west. only siberia price barriers will lead to a rise in the price of petroleum products, for which consumers in europe and the united states will ultimately pay, and also provoke a shortage of diesel fuel and fuel oil for it is giorno. he is trying to cheer up the euro. peytsev, but they are doing everything right, but it turns out somehow not very much after almost a year after the start of the war on in ukraine, the european union has made progress in its detoxification of russian energy, although ironically it is buying more liquefied natural gas from the country than

ever. so what is your forecast? bloomberg this is the one we quoted now that everything will be, uh, expensive, everything will be, no matter how good first of all, fuel for trucks and large vehicles in europe europe received about 40% imports from russia i mean imports of diesel fuel, but it's another matter that then they make such a forecast. this is a little reminiscent of the dialogue that was in the center of vladimir there half an hour ago we ask him. and why is there such an imf forecast, he says, but they really block it. why then a bloomer, if they start yes , something imitates something no why do you need to sit on tv and put on a show, there are always different points of view, on which there are calculations, behind which there are models , show one model, this. well one result, another model shows a different result to be issued now in baso. premise of all models i'd rather say that everything will be bad, and then

say. oh, well, as it were good, than vice versa, everything will be bad. well, to put it very briefly, you know, like in a well-known anecdote. you're all going to die, but not right away. yeah, that's how it's going to happen. everything will not be very good, but not immediately. and what will rise in price. yes, what is it, maybe the price will rise on the other side of the capacity in order to process crude oil into diesel fuel, in general into oil products around and in europe itself around europe is quite enough and in general the only question is to choose which one to load there is such a scenario, which was just mentioned that oil will be in especially this gray fleet with the russian one, which either exists or not , purchased in the last few months will be expressed on the malo-barskoye coast of india, mainly there is kujaratovka, where there are even more oil refineries, one of which is controlled by rosneft, will be processed there. this is crude oil. actually how it is being processed now and the indians will supply oil back. that is, here's

an example, again on a simple you decide. you personally, i refuse oil oil products from russia came out with an official statement of toxicity sent their official representative of the requirement. he said, and then , well, how do you buy so quietly? everything is the same. all of you know that this is made from russian oil. everyone knows that these are made from russian oil. don't you look like you 're stating it and having you a little bit about this. actually, no one that we refuse to fully agree that we refuse to buy this oil directly. here. now imagine, uh, the transport shoulder between baltiysk and rotm and between baltiysk and gujarat and everyone goes back because oil products in europe are more or less understandable, then, naturally, all this shoulder will be covered from the price that indians will buy russian oil . they will talk, but you understand that your oil is now toxic, so you never know

that the brand costs 80, and we will give you 45 and no more. well, here, the result will be obvious. and the fact that budget revenues are falling, but two people showed us this, they fell by 46% in 20 minutes, vyacheslav mikhailovich, after all, again, so far about them, how successful. this declared policy of renunciation of all this non-free russian oil industry and so on and so on, as far as it really works. we have repeatedly said that the first strike, maybe we were a little hasty to show the catastrophe there in everyday life plan, but among the inhabitants of european countries there. in fact, a powerful blow was dealt primarily to the industrial energy sector. well, and, accordingly, with regard to the supply of petroleum products. this, of course, is transport. yes, that is now diesel consumption. again, we saw that europe tried, well, somehow in the green deal, yes, to refuse there lu- hydrocarbons from the internal engine. combustion by the thirtieth year already, well, nevertheless, these

plans, they, in fact, have now remained on paper. and i think the cost of living will grow, transportation and so on. that is, everything he talks about, jan yanych. yes, prices are determined there at the barge market, for example, in rotterdam, and so on. anyway, logistics. and now the energy map of the world is changing right before our eyes. yes, all this will influence and in the end all this will lead, as he said. here is one of the experts. where the birth of the final product is there, i don’t know motor fuel and so on, for which ordinary citizens of the european union and other countries will pay, in fact. here they consumed the same russian diesel. i heard one figure here, in my opinion, businessmen fm uh, our beloved maxima , the key to this was just the rejection of russian hydrocarbons. as a whole, the european unions were already worth a trillion euros. i don't know, maybe i heard a trillion. this is generally real, like, yes, there were such figures . well, first of all, of course, it was the gas markets that

kirill says, giving life, respectively, the decline in living standards in the same europe, and the main blow so far has been in the industrial sector. this is, as it were, the essence of everything that is happening, yes, the rise in price and a corresponding decrease in comfort. igor ivanovich, you agree with a trillion. as i understand it, it really sounded exactly about the gas sector, it included subsidizing tariffs and, of course, for their consumers, for the company, the nationalization of the company, for example, germany nationalized the company uniper, but because the finns used to own it. there they managed so competently on the one hand, that they actually brought it to bankruptcy. and so, on the other hand, this jump in prices, that is, you have contracts with consumer. you have to sell it cheaper, but you can only buy gas at a higher price, and so they nationalized it, pumped many, many of these elements into it, and gave the sum a trillion. yes, this, of course, may be a controversial estimate, but, nevertheless, the numbers. this is the order of the twenty-second year only in gas. uh, there, of course, there was a story

about coal. uh, as a kind of source of salvation , it is also quite indicative for 22 years, when the europeans were resettled, they discussed the whole village in order to make a larger coal cut. yes, i'm trying to understand, because you saw the last photo where it was photoshopped. she's so fat and it says you eat. do not be afraid to see, that is. look here's what i want to ask, let's igorevich you still answer. here are all these test stories. she was kind of like that. well, stretched out over time. yes, maybe three months. yes well salmon until there it started. yes, there is some kind of second, there is a third embargo there, the imbargo of the court over this time period. is it possible to say that some conclusion has been made on west, positive or negative? uh-huh about how it all works,

that is, did we do well with these ceilings, because we caused damage to the russians. and maybe we didn’t do very well, because in general, the damage turned out to be inflicted on ourselves, so, do you think, there are some such very birth of the idea of ​​​​a price ceiling, this is a certain conclusion. e from the first sanctions, if he remembered the first, but you seemed to have moved to a new level of sanctions, yet you said that no one really knows how this will work. here it works. do not know how a few months. that's why it works, really there is conditionally 2 months. that is, they are satisfied and i think that they have not yet drawn any conclusions here, and in fact the question is. and do they need, uh, there somehow to pinch. here is the fist of the publication that allegedly the united states is putting pressure on india, forcing it to refuse to buy russian oil. i think that they are trying to force these people to refuse to buy, and they are just trying to make sure that russia exports as much as possible a lot of oil saturated the world market, but at the same time earned little. that's how the meaning what to get the budget less therefore, yes, if

russia gives a discount on its oil does not earn money, and then it seems like it fits into the logic of the price, but let's also scale the program just like that. and here we are - russia, we are interested in selling less to produce less, but the price should be sale. or we have to capture the market. through thick and thin. and what price is there for the next couple of months is not so important. the main thing is that the market is behind us. we we do not miss our, uh, ordinary clients, and then already there in half a year for a year. it will all even out. here. which of the strategy working hmm i understand. eh, well, now we are not talking about how to save the market, in fact, we have already lost the market to a significant extent, and we have lost the price, in fact. here at the west, in my opinion. there is no intention in the course of abandoning our oil. they are interested. i will support the idea that they are interested in russia as much, roughly speaking, lies,

that detox is somehow like this, like this, if you throw a bridge to the question. why such jumping figures of the rates of expected growth or decline of the russian economy? it is very easy to be sure that this is done on purpose, because when we first hear that the russian economy will go by 10%, but in fact it will fall by three, then. she will grow up, the forecast is that she will grow by two, and in fact, she will not grow up. this only tells a potential investor about one thing, that russia is an object with which it is not necessary to deal, because it is not predictable, and in this sense, all of them the policy is absolutely clear. this is russia, the goal of the sanction is not to reduce its dependence on oil at all, but to show that russia is a gray zone with which it is not predictable, which it is better not to mess with, in which it is better not to invest, and which is only allowed to supply everything that it produces through the gap of the global economy trillion has already been spent for all the same significant funds. is there any limit for them

to spend this huge amount of money, i can't print such a trillion euros. here i am physically i can’t imagine after which they will realize that they are already more valuable to themselves. but it's hard for me to say just because there is no such ceiling, if this trillion is considered as their investment in technological renewal. actually the economy. remember the crisis of the seventies. then maybe, i don't remember, first of all, the total costs, but these costs are not in technology. these expenses go into the purchase of gas, expensive suppliers. they have technologies for this logistics. if you are nobody, you invest money, no, if you give a subsidy to an enterprise and thereby allow them to survive, then the enterprise reduces the energy intensity of its production. using this subsidy, that is, they give their tasks to be kept afloat by their economic agent, and they will make a real market for them. the rest of the enterprise will understand that they should not now be so dependent on energy and invest in these

technologies this trillion to consider as an investment and this investment can be endless, because it's not a cost it's an investment. here, and in our case, again. here we go again a little later. yes yes colleagues, in fact, it's more like paraphrasing confucius. no need to look for the economy there it is not. it was absolutely a political gesture aimed at making it difficult for us, nothing happened. now they gotta try to wash it well let's resolve the mixes. let's allow diesel fuel, which was produced somewhere from russian oil. why do we look at the figures at the end of the twenty-second year, the production of petroleum products and exports from russia increased, while imports to europe did not decrease, where really? we have increased a lot, who has china from india from singapore singapore already three times, what does this mean the flow of these oil funds, they always find opportunities and find holes difficult with these sanctions absolutely it goes more. we won’t talk broadly and i won’t tell you

what manipulations the spacer companies use not in titancores, not only ours, but neutral countries. in fact, there are only three worlds of the west, and 2/3, in general, quietly earn money on this, therefore, when a colleague says about investment in the european future there is no investment it is investment in china to singapore anywhere, how we produced oil products, how they shot themselves in a little more detail. you quite bright such wording. now i use them and they fit. here, right here, they were ugly, that is, they were pushing, they were trying to get dirty, they were rubbed. well, now they are trying to save some kind of face, thereby saying. well, let's not work out for ourselves that here before you in the first part, your colleagues were there. they say they will anyway continue these actions, because this political decision cannot be stopped. and then again, what is it about until what moment will they continue to do what they continue regardless of any consequences, well, as long as the hegemon puts pressure on them, the usa until their own people come out, they begin to choke them, because, well, well, not

people really in france alone walk there. every weekend. there, according to the fate of a thousand people, the french revolution, in fact , a blow not at all to citizens, only to industry. today. they all leave for america really in america in the first place, the rate is refinanced higher. secondly, uh, the benefits that are also a multiple of the higher for an enterprise that has moved from europe and already, and the scholtsy are talking about it, everyone is talking about it, therefore, well , unfortunately or fortunately, europe is spoiling its own mansions, we find ways out. how many diverse spectrum is just an opinion, we have a person who does not remember the crises of the seventies, and a person who remembers french was translated, well, about french revolution. you understand everything. it's very listen to always trillion european about which, well, they can afford it. and now they have already overcome this most difficult winter. in general, where where in general, fate. the lord god helped, it was a warm winter, but all

the biggest difficulties are behind them. and we have, but i'm not sure that they are behind, and in general by and large. they have achieved their goals. the goal is not really. here ivan you asked there to refuse the russian oil. no, the goal in the same e is to force us to supply this oil cheap, and they forced us and they bent us, because we had two, uh, potential strategies, in general, refuse to sell at such low prices to try to bring down the market for them to create problems. no, we took a different path, and we sell knives in large volumes, and then through india it will be oil through singapore. this does not make it any easier for us, for our budget, for our economic bloc of the government, because indeed incomes have decreased and western europeans are very much like this. simple calculated without sanctions

goals have been achieved, we don’t need to underestimate them . imagine how it all was carefully done, somewhere cynically, somewhere insidiously, but the result is obvious they are from under the sanctions. uh, withdrew their eu member states that are historically too dependent on russian oil supplies. it doesn't concern them. that's why they won't suffer. they have crises. inside the european union will not arise, and then gradually, but alas and oh, inexorably they will be this loop of anaconda and they will narrow the fight, you will refresh the loop of the anaconda. fine, remove the anaconda, thanks. well, as for the oil embar. yes, in general, so i want to say that oil and oil products. this is a product that sells itself. yes? that's what you've ever heard. i don't, for example, an ad for urals oil or an ad for brent oil

. well, it doesn't happen, yes. and why yes, because this product, which sells itself, it depends on vodka advertising, so no, too. well, this is such a thing. you understand what's the matter. it all depends on the global market, if it is in short supply, as it is now, then all this diagnosis. it is possible here in the moment who said that he was in deficit, of course, this is, of course, eighty. let's do it. we will talk separately with you about this today, what happened at the moment is logistics. yes, because it is necessary to reorient these flows to the east. we have a bottleneck and therefore it discounts the price in a certain sense, that is, reduces this price due to these transportation costs, but this is a very temporary self. and what’s more, in these sanctions, this embargo is a big plus, because we develop our own. uh, the east , because we are building up the logistics capacity of the transport capacity there. this is the first second now the indians are happy to buy

our oil, they process it and instead of us they supply it to europe with the same thing when you are just starting to launch the plant. well, investment is required. yes, that's why the price is reduced there, yes, because the plant needs to be launched. it's not c- it's not an easy thing. it's a complicated procedure. but once you've started it, you've got a problem stopping it, and then you will buy this oil already more at the price at which it will be sold to you. this, too, everyone knew about it, moreover , about the deficit. no, oil, no one is now investing in new oil development, even the americans , who, in principle, today have chosen everything from what they could, so their price should definitely increase, moreover, india and china are now emerging from all these covid crises . owls them start the growth of the economy. and take off the price will be ra- let's postpone. yes now this conversation is a little, otherwise i 'm afraid that now the maximum will definitely scream that you are not indians. yes, they love

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even western analysts are questioning this. some western analysts openly say sanctions against russian oil have failed moscow is bypassing sanctions barriers , adopting the experience of iran and venezuela, and if western countries counted on a decrease in production and export of russian oil, then so far these expectations have not been justified at all, according to the kommersant newspaper, export of russian oil. even the price ceiling is growing, enduros with financial education have invented. not one of them really does not understand the oil markets. i don't think any of the traders expected the price to hold. it was a real bomb and the policy completely failed russian oil freely enters the market, which welcomes it to india and china, while not killing it, buying more and more cheap russian oil through traders in dubai, refines it into fuel and resells it to europe and the usa for several days ago, reuters stated that most of the russian oil supplies, india increases in dirhams in the currency of the united

arab emirates a. at the end of last year, china switched to paying for oil in yuan. we are already actively working to create, uh, new mechanisms, new tools that will not depend on the whims and arbitrariness of our western colleagues. uh, everything, this is all real, and we are doing it with all our partners who want to honestly cooperate and do not want to be sacrificial unfair conflict of competition. the united states continues to say everything is going according to plan sanctions are working and will work even better. our goal is not to destroy the russian economy, our intention is to make it impossible for the kremlin to continue choosing to support the economy as well as pay for its war. but if russia is doing well with production and exports, then the price of our oil is still not as good as

it could be, experts from the international energy agency note russia in january could not have read about 8 billion oil and gas revenues due to the notorious price ceiling . restrictions on russian oil reached the goals of both stabilizing oil markets and reducing moscow's revenues from oil and gas exports. russia's revenues are likely. fell almost 30% in january, or about $8 billion compared to last year igorevich. what’s interesting to me here is what lavrov talked about about switching to dirhams about switching to yuan in all of ours. well, not everyone here is in many oil fields. this is the very rejection of the petrodollar, which they have been telling us there for 10 years, this is not it happened, or it's still all single transactions and it 's impossible to talk about it as a system. well, on the one hand, we see that more and more national currencies are used in all world trade, but

this is the currency of calculation, that is, and we still determine the price of oil in dollars on the exchange, and then recalculate at the exchange rate, conditionally speaking, there in dirhams or in yuan. now here it is necessary to answer this question more simply. this means that it has begun or wait. and you haven't started yet, so now when if only a dollar started earlier and nothing else, that is, they run, please. you want yuan. if you want the euro, you want someone there and bitcoins, they start swinging, uh, and so on. that is, now there are much more tools than there, he says 10 years ago. this is good, so far the price is not determined in yuan. here she is. that's good. why , then, here, because all these markets have developed precisely at the expense of western financial means, if it has begun, let's then somehow reconsider. e opportunity is there to already untie these goods. yep, those products. here is a dollar, which means that

the razdolder has not yet begun, you hold and the yuan already exists, which means it has begun, well, pricing. it's not in them . yes, so that no one really sees the transactions between these companies, because the companies are afraid that they will track it. oh, and then, in general, apply some kind of secondary sanctions, so it’s easier to work through the national currency. because if through the dollar, then in fact, your operation is visible to the american sanctions regulator, it has begun. yes, answer your questions questions began, but the most important question, where are we there, right? that is, i have now seen dirhams and yuan of the united arab emirates. ruble, where is it ours? yes, we are the main owners of resource providers on the global international. energy market, well , until i see the ruble, i'll explain what i 'm talking about, firstly, you know, i wanted thesis, and to my colleagues about the spoiled image of russia, respectively, the investment rating. first, i want to ask a classic question about the judges. who is this? is it about everything that's going on? yes? that is, first, we need to. politically, we

have already left the old model. yes, we actually, let me remind you, we have already changed the political map of the world. yes, over the past year, but in economic terms, we are still sitting in some kind of old paradigm, that is, we look at some ratings, but use the same most quotes, as we said, of exchanges or price agencies, which are denominated on western sites in dollars. yes, in the petro dollar, respectively, of this process. unfortunately, i don't see it here, because we the first thing you need to do is to mentally refuse to use the old model, at least within yourself. yes, that is, we are ready for this, or something in general, we are ready, well, just need. there, yes, about this, and you need to switch something just in your head, you understand, stop looking at those ratings for those, that is, well, in parallel, you need to create your own platform mechanisms. why did igor and i now discuss within the framework of briks there within the framework of custody plus, uh, in these burrol mister, yes, which

he heads the international erotic agency represents the cartel of western buyers and they are very audible , they say all the time that yes, that it will be bad and so on. why is the plus not heard again? not from the point of view of increasing, let's lower quotas there. yes, and from the point of view there, we now believe that everything is positive. there is a rating, there is something else. why is brix not heard? i can't hear. yes, that is, on these sites, as if nothing is happening and, again, there is no ruble. yes , the ruble should be present in the discussion of the currency of contracts and the creation of price mechanisms. here in russia our venues so that arkady nikolaevich begins, it is necessary that we be heard not only by us, but also by those who are with us, that we are switching, you are absolutely right. well, here, first of all, we need. eh, that's the whole point. here is the key factor here regarding ruble prices for oil products and oil and gas. this is exactly what we say, tax policy. why because that's for these 30 years, what exists? our economy.

here is the tax policy for our exporters built globally in detail. well , they're so used to it, it's already clear to everyone how taxes are calculated by our experts. and now this mechanism is now on the instructions of the president. everyone has read about it. yes, and there the term is indicated, by the way, in this order, and the ministry of finance, the government to develop a new procedure for taxing oil workers well, exporters. there, including with the use of the mechanism, the price of the formation of rublyovo, this is the very mental switch that will be correct. yes, and then already smart heads, as i always say, we have a government. they will develop this mechanism very professionally, they will consider which will take into account first of all, of course, budgetary interests first of all. and then, of course, the interests of the oilman. well, they shouldn't be forgotten either. they have costs , costs, and so on, that's all. this is the beginning of this

transition. which, as it were, are traditionally called into question such forecasts of just reasoned okay, okay. if you do not agree, then why? well, you know, in pricing, you can even charge in tugriks. what is the difference fundamentally nothing changes. here, just e , they paid attention to this, that they ask where the ruble is explain. now some changes will take place, some steps will be taken and the ruble will appear. and that, that nothing will change from this, you understand the question. that's when ivan talks about the dirham. already dirhams have appeared , you will continue to do the rest. no, just units. nothing more than anything. see. you asked me what will happen next with them. so i received these dirhams and through the united arab emirates you can buy some goods that you still need for these

same dirhams, where it’s just completely with everyone those that are changing that can work in the united arab emirates yes ivan means the united arab emirates the united arab emirates has a wonderful economy which is oil production and a bit of oil refining and a large desert of other goods united arab emirates no hotel yet i will explain that i i mean the united arab emirates, which in our interests can buy anything. even if the lawnmower does not know you from some part of the world , as a result, you pay the united arabic eros turns out his lawn mower, which is cursed as a company to sell. and if the seller says, no, you know for whom the lord was going to buy her what he needs. yes, you can’t buy it from the picture, sanctions can also be bought, because there are sanctions, there are those companies of the same united city emirates for which the american market is much more important than everything else than in russia

but this, as a matter of fact, is not even about that that fatihverol is very kind and can be said favorably appreciated a drop in russian revenues of 30%, 46% we were told yesterday by the ministry of finance that a 46% drop in russian gas revenues. no, not everything together is in oil and gas revenues. all together 35, because non-oil and gas revenues decreased by 28 , read the press release of the ministry of finance. so. uh, this speaks better than any words about whether sanctions work or not, yes, sanctions. unfortunately , they work for the russian federation, but for the budget. this is a big problem. yes, if it continues like this, what is the deficit instead of the planned 8, that is, what your colleagues were talking about now, uh, the situation will not lead to anything positive for us. you know it reminds me. here was, in my opinion, if i'm not mistaken mantene, a wonderful phrase e, having failed to achieve the desired, was declared desirable. reached

here. that's about. the same reason it’s all beautiful greens, you didn’t really want grapes, that is, you don’t admit that what you want can appear, just a little later you say you didn’t reach it right away, and that’s all, that is, lord case’s expression, and in a long time in the long run in all we die, well, do not immediately want previous performances. i am with all due respect to the united arab emirates, they are united because they left, of course, were you there in different emirates or not? this is what you are talking about, this is only relevant for one of the emirates of the main abu dhabi, yes, but this oak is a completely different canoe, but it seems to me that you were not there, because otherwise you would not advise our tourists to go to abu dawa is by no means necessary for tourists, these are non-alcoholic emirates well, of course, it is necessary in dubai, so everything is different there, and, well, the second thing i wanted to argue. these were historical questions. and what about brix why

doesn't he come up with some kind of initiatives , i explain, i answer. or maybe you already know, because brix is ​​not a bloc at all. this is an extremely heterogeneous organization, because there is china and india, which are the most severe opponents on most issues and in general , potential military opponents give each other and one there, but not so very specifically they fight without the use of firearms. well, they are fighting, yes, and a dozen time is running out, which means that india is not up to it in brazil just now, but having switched to the ultra-right, it changed the left and there and generally sort out internal affairs, and south africa today has a message that military equipment is moving there in key years, they already have their own agenda so of course it's very showy. and why, then, will the queue cost? in general, never speak on such issues from a unified position, because calm down, forget about it. no, let's not calm down, let alone forget. there's just no time right now. there is a queue

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where everything becomes clear. we continue. i said that in general, today we are mainly talking about the economy and finances. well, it is clear that these are all political decisions. here, now let's, it's just pure politics , after all, thrown in at the end, if you paid attention to our today, this kalash that is on the screen, maybe someone has questions. all clear. it's clear. why here we have such a friendly family of peoples depicted in some way related to our conversation. that's what we are talking about now , the most direct. so this is how russia oppresses not only the failure, but the independence of ukrainians, but also the independence of other nations living on the territory of russia , which means this is the thesis. uh, voiced now by the european parliament. well, it’s clear that he comes from representatives of poland there. well, in a specific case from a representative, and the meaning is that it is necessary to take action, because representatives of all these nationalities living on the territory of our country do not

just lose their money on the sale of the same energy carriers there. well, in general, moscow oppresses them with terribly terrible forces. and they need to be released somehow. let's get this madam deputy. uh, the former minister of foreign affairs of poland, listen. there is no such thing as russian gas oil aluminum coal. uranium diamonds grain forests gold and so on all these resources are actually tatar bashkir siberian karelian arab circassian buryat sakha ural kuban and so on for most of the inhabitants of the regions, whether ethnic russians or indigenous people. moscow represents only a war of repression, exploitation and desperation the international community has an obligation to uphold the rights of indigenous peoples, which are the result of russian conquest and colonization. now it also exists within the borders of the russian federation. can this be considered some kind of new,

uh, sanctions proposal there, some kind of turn towards the national question? the national question is always good to shake vladimirovich there. what do you think, or just? well, she said and said, well, another gynecologist is a hoe, probably, but on the other hand, a gynecologist. well done, they are economists - this is a very good articulation of one another , the question of what if these all peoples are part of the main russian federation, we really have all the bowels, and all the benefits belong to the peoples, then by and large. and what did he say to another body, what does she say, and let's take it all apart, of course, it’s real that the international the community has an obligation to uphold the rights of indigenous peoples. so, here, if there is a word of law, here it is necessary to break into a cake here, but rights nobody knows, yes, what rights, what exactly? but is it necessary? here's something like iron. that's when the vatican will return, uh, to flame and fire, everything that was stolen from all over the world, when the poor indians of america will be given everything that was taken from them. spain and portugal will return gold. here is the correct

explanation. yes, i don’t like it, maybe it’s about some rights to speak, so all this belongs to the people. this is definitely ours nothing more than, uh, an encroachment on the national treasure of our state, and she speaks the truth, we want to take you away. we want to share, we want to cut about it. they say it's all germans and poles in the world. they have already lost their conscience, so what do we really expect from them? we're waiting for, uh, new revelations. well, not everything has already been said. i want to understand, should we really wait for any attempts to work in this direction, because i always thought that this is a story with national issues, it is not a good story. if desired, it can untwist so there money to throw, there is something else bosses. listen. we receive almost every day a message that this morning again forgot the region there is some kind. uh, islamist means religion. this extremist organization took three or four militants there in another region. it's all possible to use them if you wish. well, unevenly, this is what they are trying

to do. in fact, how seriously should she take her words with vladimir yes, thank you. well, it seems to me that this should be taken quite seriously enough. recall. uh, the so-called operation of wounds, and here i would like to, probably, here, probably, to paraphrase lenin's famous phrase that no provocations such as such statements that it is necessary to split up our resources and distribute will not be able to destroy or split russia if the state itself the economic structure of russia does not discredit itself, after all, if we look at the basis everywhere it is economic and it hits the mark, because if we take moscow and st. petersburg, the difference between the regions in terms of living standards is 4-5 times, even if we will take regions with the same labor productivity, that is, in terms of output per worker, the difference in wages is one and a half to two times, that is , people say that it is possible, the situation when

our regions say we do not want to work anymore . these are the conditions for residents to work, and how let's somehow give a reality or an ethical forecast which, under some 15 circumstances, maybe, when a downward trend in the standard of living arises, it becomes. the main thing, but constant always there are such things. take the early nineties. take beginning of the twentieth end of the xix beginning of the xx century. it's all the same, you know, in economics. there is such a thing as a social welfare function. this is such a formula, according to which the government. well, economists think so. that's how well we deal with the stagnation of the construction of the construction of the national economy. so it can be considered in different ways, you can take and add up the welfare of all regions or all citizens into a single whole, that is, an oligarch's salary, income and income of a worker, and get public welfare and say, yes , everything is fine with us, or you can use another function of public welfare, which

is available for the minimum well-being of the poorest member of society or the poorest region of russia, so why then explain to me. here. i'm here, when now in the country, i 'm not going to challenge, and your thesis that the standard of living there in moscow is conditional. well, in some area they are different, but the price level is probably also different. and let's say i'm going to the moscow region. i see a huge a shopping center, which the parking lot is all filled with cars, that is, people are inside there, someone is shopping, someone is there where i ’m going in some area, there is also a regional center, there is almost the same size shopping center. well, maybe a little less, and in the same way, his entire parking lot is filled with a car and there are so many people inside that they didn’t come to look. no, they are exactly the same different income level different price level. they just spend that money there as well. i'm always trying to understand, here, when they tell me how terrible we live there, how bad, how poor, but what i see

with my own eyes. well, i'm in this with this somehow i find it hard to agree. well, if, of course, if i want, i can find a slum area, anywhere . uh, it’s understandable, and the price level does not differ as much as the level of wages, but even more so, if we look at where the highest wages are, in which regions, we will understand that these are oil and gas gold mining regions. and oddly enough, if we take, for example, the volga region, if we take its construction region, then the more innovative and innovative the production region has, the poorer it is, this is also the reality of russia , which cannot perceive what then is somehow a hole. and if we give territory with a counter, we will give it in any region, it will always be filled with them, if there is a threat potential, as it were in such appeals, because there is a threat potential and that's why because, although this is an old trick, it's old. that is, you still remember kolos

on feet of clay in the relations of the soviet the union was such propaganda of childbirth, and then they talked all the time in relation to ukraine. yes, everything here is taken by muscovites. russia takes everything and takes our fat and takes our bread and everything and everything, and then, when ukraine became independent, all these conversations abruptly stopped, and to the question. and why is the standard of living lower in ukraine, than in russia the answer was this, but they also have gas, oil, and all that. but what about your fat, there is wheat, and that's it. yes, it turned out in the reports, which now you can already take and see what you spent the most the soviet union is not vice versa, it turned out to be subsidies to its republic and the baltic states and ukraine, and everyone else can see the share of the union budget in the same way, subsidies were needed to these republics. so, we know that it is now better to live in the baltics, we know how we should treat it now, so, uh, you understand this, if we have some regions that are also subsidized.

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sharp economic sanctions steps, since all the sharp sanctions steps have already been taken, what will do. everything, it will be tightening existing sanctions, liquidating pro-rivers, eliminating loopholes and the like . nike in general, yes, as far as military-political drastic steps are concerned, this is a more real thing, but this is a completely different topic. yes. say so next time. well, i think that here the scenario when they tighten the nuclear sphere may well come true. they are already discussing. that's it, let's block the ability of the wire rope to supply nuclear fuel, but perhaps not a complete ban, but say, do you know, too, some kind of ceiling prices for russian nuclear fuel, because russia is a fairly large player in this area, such is already being discussed. so maksim anatolyevich will agree. the syrian steps have already been taken this year. and by the way, we have not yet fully felt their consequences, and then there will be already adjustment of the adjustment of the morning of the abalone.

although it will be pathetically called the tenth, eleventh, twelfth package of sanctions, so vladimir ilyich well, rather, it will either be secondary sanctions against countries that do not support them very much and, probably, attacks of an attempt to drag the oligarchs, the so-called the kremlin sex, which can influence public opinion in russia is seen in order to rock the opposition within the country. i remember my attitude to sanctions after 2014, when you wake up and see this news. i then somehow you thought, but what will he do next? and what is it, but now you wake up the last year of the sanction of the sanction of the sanction, you think, otherwise everything, we are doing the right thing. it's because you work in the meeting place program, for sure. yes, once again i remind you that we have been in this place for 7 years. that's about the sanctions. i don't know, i know that they will definitely come up with something hmm and because there is an understanding of the goals, that's what we need to spoil. eh, how will they figure it out, they will choose something, the boy comes to the pet store and says to me, please, give me dog food cat food for a parrot

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