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told you, i don't like to lose. ecology, even in the current conditions, is a priority issue for the country. in which regions problems with garbage are fixed, how to convince the layman that a landfill and a technologically advanced landfill are two big differences, why microplastics are becoming a giant challenge for humanity, what is changing in terms of business responsibility for the environment and when will environmentally friendly behavior become new normality, let's talk about it with the head of rosprirodnadzor svetlana and rodionova. gnatievna, when we

talked to you a couple of years ago, people were frightened by the fact that in 17 regions of the country space was running out at landfills. here is what gloomy predictions have come true. you know, we probably didn't scare. we still, probably, informed absolutely about the state and now, uh, the infrastructure, developing, still does not keep up with our rates of waste generation in order to be accumulated in the first place. and of course we have problems ingush region, kalmyks. this is a-a and lightning district, i guess i'm a bunch. her name is there are problems with infrastructure and regions. there are problems with different structure. well, our task is to inform, but to orient and ensure that the structure remains higher

, by the way, after the list of the most littered regions of the country by rosprirodnadzor, uh, there were a lot of emotions now emotions have subsided, something has been done, you know, we don’t live in the world of emotions. and they asked me if someone is offended by you, yes, that is, we don’t offend anyone and don't expect a response. we are living. still, it was probably a shame that this is a region. this is probably what we discussed. and that is, they would immediately correct themselves here , it seems to me, well, after all , we issue a compass as a guideline for your progress forward, and everyone uses this compass at their own discretion. someone is moving forward. someone, probably, does not forget nails. it seems to me that our position is our openness to environmental information. being open about this , the president helps us to see you clearly, where we should go. well about these there are guidelines. uh, understanding how to convince people. well, what is an outdated landfill and, uh, into a high-tech landfill, yes, two big differences, well

, what is a landfill in the eyes of an ordinary citizen? yes, and so here is a platform. even if prepared, which is piled up garbage. no, such facilities are not actually being built now. we must have sorting. we have with you the guidelines set by the president. and this is 100% processing. that is, sorting. musa must be active here with you degassing system. and ah. removing the filtrate we actually have now. uh, the new one already includes composting. yes, that is, when we sort out biological waste and fill this landfill with it, that is, this is a serious multi-factorial and multi -complex structure, and now such facilities are being built, because they are the ones that are economically viable, the future lies with them, as for garbage, its not but hmm nature. what is the main challenge here? today's main challenge in plastic you know? you probably don't we are now talking loudly about this, although we are doing a lot. last years. you and i have not noticed how we are turning into a plastic

planet. if you do not know, then brewing a tea bag with tea. you get 11 billion parts from megaplastic in a cup. about this, scientists say - it is the russian academy of sciences that gives these data. and if you look at the statistics about the world, that is, now accepted, that is, in the fiftieth year to the fifteenth year, mankind formed eight point three billion tons of plastic and, of course, in recent years. this there was growth. uh-huh well, this is only statistics up to the fifteenth year. and so we turned around. suddenly we found ourselves in such a plastic environment. and that's a big problem because removing plastic isn't always easy. removing plastic is not always possible, and therefore all of us will participate not only in the form, but in general in cleaning up our planet, because responsible consumption is our future, we must remember this and must clearly understand, but how we behave, how things are in the arctic with

the optical zone participates in the liquidation of accumulated damage in the same way as all other regions of russia in two large, probably, projects. this is a clean country. we can bring this murmansk city dump , this is a flag to canada in chukotka and participate in ingenious cleaning, but do not forget that even now the government has announced something that we have never talked about. this is a circular economy and the lactic zone, of course, is also passionate about it. there is also a very active movement of volunteers to clean the arctic for the third year these seasons this year there will be a volunteer movement. we help volunteers in every way, help them not to fall under oppression. e control service. if you, well, remember, they asked the president a question. now, if we collect garbage, we form almost new dumps, will there be any changed sanctions for this? of course not, and we invite everyone to participate. tight movement, because it's right to release, and aktiku from the accumulated form. and if you

remember the president this year in a message he designated both clean air and the implementation of the iphone toko and the implementation, and all of me again, aimed at reducing the accumulated vein and removing it. it seems to me that your aunt has studied this very clearly. before, such pessimistic forecasts sounded that we need 100 years to clear the artik. uh, there are opportunities to move faster, so the direction for a longer period of the first we expect that there will be no such plan formed on new facilities, the second, of course, we are interested in seeing this was faster, it won't be two years. and, probably, not in 5 years, but in a decade. of course, we should play with ourselves. in this , those companies with local dislocations that have been active and develop the optical zone should take an active part. we think it should even be. much faster. what do you think about the responsibility of business for the preservation of the environment. the last three

years. we see a changing dynamic. we have very responsible companies. i can immediately say that this is gazprom neft, this is metallinvest, this is novatek, which, uh, not only behave responsibly, well build new facilities. with you yourself high standards are constantly evolving to bring novelties. and even for tea, than the short story for us, as controllers there , is the same, earned by gazprom neft , the possibility of remote supervision at new standing facilities. it seems to me that this is generally a unique technology that, well , at least this is the future and now the business has ceased to thaw. well, first of all, they don't ask us who you u know by sight. they don't ask us. why did you come, that is, they stopped deny there is a problem. and for us, this is a very big signal. they stopped saying that they were not interested, and they stopped pretending that part of the violations happened by chance, so we had 2 weeks. a discussion with a very, well , i won't name the company, but this is a very high-profile resonant case in one of the regions, when the company said for a long time that it

happened by chance, which is impossible. and now the director has changed the first thing he told me at the videoconferencing and said brilliant we understand that we did it our people intentionally, but we are more, uh, such a culture we do not welcome and completely at home and we lived, but you will agree. this is a big step forward. and what are the processes in terms of fines for enterprises violators going on, because i remember complaining that hmm too little money come to pay. well, the fines have not changed. uh, nothing has grown in multiples and i don’t know if it’s good or bad for those large amounts that you, as journalists, hear, i know about them they often drink. these are not the sums of the states, this is all a little different what is paid on the skeleton is something, namely the expense of the damage to the places themselves. remained at the same level, if in the twentieth year we collected about a billion rubles, then at 20:00 - it was. uh, a little less than 500, but a million rubles than god in general, our supervised, the more we expect that they will spend security measures on nature, so we consider these amounts

to be large, and now we are having such a long dialogue, otherwise and announced, and we give everyone the opportunity to improve, we give everyone the opportunity to analyze themselves. well there is one an unconditional rule in any case, big or small, and the president also spoke about this, the violator pays, which causes concern from the point of view of safety, well , some species of flora and fauna in the country are now the anniversary year of the test and one of the biggest achievements of this international the convention is that no single species is brought in, and all test is not uddered in time. here for these 50 years. as long as such an agreement exists. and in us, probably, a lot of things cause e, calmness. well , let's say a polar bear. we talk about it all the time we speak and we consider it a symbol of the arctic zone the bear, the white largest predator the most intelligent predator and we believe that it is necessary to protect the situation with leopes has significantly improved. tigers we talk about it a lot now, uh, that's very good, but we believe that every species should be protected, when

you consider that to collect pine nuts. it's very easy to do it on an industrial scale when you beat a pine tree with a mallet, bruising it. well, count how to beat a person, you understand, that is, how bring here such here and wounds. and when you do it, mindlessly on a huge scale, of course, any such activity causes, well, anxiety, and it should clearly be quite toothy. well, we're worried about everyone. well, just maybe there is some special situation with some species. here , someone took patronage, over the exit or at one time. yes, there are, uh, bat meditation centers at the moscow zoo. yes, and even mice, and there are such centers. well remember we have seven worried situation with masked mammals. do you remember somehow and since then, the historical federation has not issued a single decision to catch this species. and it seems to me that they are very healthy, because it is not for scientific purposes, or for anything else, that we did not need to be removed

from nature. these are the individuals. well, this is a big progress then all together thanks to the journalist. thanks to everyone involved in this. but all together they said their weighty word and now it's 4 years old. in fact, we have not issued a single document. this is very good. how are you. e evaluate educational activities in your service. that's how much it is effective, in your opinion, as far as it is needed. maybe some new forms. does she need to be supervised? firstly, yes, that is, our task is to go fix, but to change the world of administrative influence or new influence and leave the tasks of those who exploit. uh, to exploit with minimal violations of tasks, it is natural to determine, lord , politics, well, with an inventive order. this is impossible without prevention and without the participation of us enormous in physical activity. we have set ourselves several years for which i think it's going very well. with the public and openness, that is, the president said environmental information is open. we are absolutely open. we have a large

institution of public inspectors, probably one of our most successful information policy, open and the second part, which we focus on, is our children's youth award. ecology everyone's business. it's not just these letters slogan. this is now the meaning of life for many families. e 45.000 entries last year received this year, season 3 will be more more. well, i'm pretty sure there will be more than just addicted to it, because every i told everyone you know the handshake systems, like in the movie christmas tree, yes. so you're shaking hands. you learned six even better. that's what you learned from ecology. and i got a little bit involved in trying to make this the new normal. that's what we've been saying all these years. we carry it. here's to life, and we participate in savings at school. we participate in all lectures, in general, in principle, we are open to any invitations when we are called to the square. and even in the first turn we did on youth emphasis. well, you said about the new normal. yes, this

is the new normal. it implies a responsible relationship. as i understand it, not only to a plastic bag, probably, to some kind of devices like batteries, for example, accumulators, and so on and so forth. that is, the person must also be aware of this. and today, of course people say there is not enough infrastructure. we don’t know where to take it, but slowly, and here such centers are being established, i don’t know there, someone is at the entrance to put a jar, but to yourself with the whole entrance and then take it to the nearest store or someone, someone else does some other things , someone else behaves differently with textiles. so it's not just plastic. yes, the second in terms of pollution of the planet. this is the textile industry. we must understand this, that each deal is these, the smallest particles that are billions of tons, and then they will accumulate on our planet if we don’t sit down in a different way and very much as we should behave, like, no, i don’t can to tell you that of course it is necessary. to use all this, but we must be conscious. we must clearly understand that we are participants in this chain.