this is quite permanent, since in tank building you cannot stand still. here you can lead as an example those developments that today are in the moscow instrument, where , mm, within the framework. uh, niokov manufactured up to two modern machines for cutting tools and production times. such machines take two or more years, that is, from the beginning to mass production, and the cost of one such development is more than 100 million rubles. very important. e work within the framework of nonreoka and the corresponding world of state support within the framework of these works is directed for their financing, or sophins. i believe that our competitors in this area are also on the alert. here you are talking about something to develop from scratch. eh, sometimes you need a machine for up to two years, and our competitors do not go ahead at this time, taking into account. e of what is currently imported. uh, western equipment

, uh, was banned on the territory of the country, then, probably, talking about some kind of competition is not entirely correct here either. it seems to me that it is more important to think not about competition with specific suppliers, but about reliable supply industrial enterprises with modern equipment. in our country, in fact , competition is not limited to the west alone, because, well, here are these new logistics chains in the eastern directorate or there, i don’t know, in the southern which we are located. one way or another, they also imply some kind of competition, but here, in fact, the important tasks are to establish the right e, chains of cooperation, because. well, the machine, in fact. this is such a kind of designer, there are no enterprises that, uh, assemble all the components of the machine as a whole and modern all enterprises, including. there

, uhs from western countries are organized exactly according to this principle, therefore what you call competition in the current conditions. i would probably name more cooperations from the chinese experience. to us, how interesting and how applicable in our conditions, because. well, we, if we put a paw on our hearts, understand that a lot of technologies, including western ones, have passed through their heads, through their hands. yes china has actually made great strides in many industries and this experience we are definitely interested. yeah, because of this, we are ready, both for the operation, er, with chinese companies, and for the exchange of experience with them, as well as with a company from other countries that do not pursue a hostile and anti-russian policy. for example, it is also developing dynamically in tank building in india and brazil in those countries with which we are actively cooperating today, this is india brazil china

turkey where these competencies also exist semyon thank you very much for the conversation ivan thank you hello in russia, the decade of science and technology ntv television state corporation rosatom presents a program we are science is a program about how science will change our lives in the next 10 years. i am vladimir antokhin. i am ekaterina shugaeva, in 10 years ecology will again become a science. well, i don’t know, i don’t know, i invited optimists who believe that in 10 years ecology will indeed become a science again. this is ruslan gubaidulin

waste management expert. good evening, good afternoon and arkady tishkov geographer ecologist. hello skeptics. this is vyacheslav kulagin energy economist. kind evening. yulia is a freak. economist in international affairs of gavria. there is a good evening. at the end of the program. our optimistic guests will predict how ecology will indeed become a science again in 10 years. but by the way, ecology contradicts fundamental physics, according to our expert professor kapustin, my summer experience in scientific research led me to the sad conclusion that most of the so-called ecologists, in general, are not familiar with the fundamental foundations of our universe , any event, even in the universe, even on our planet. even in our city. although in our apartment it obeys the second law of thermodynamics, which determines the course of all processes and all living organisms, including people, of course, turn energy into thermal

energy, thereby increasing the entropy of the universe , the second law of thermodynamics says that nothing can be done without polluting. the world. that is, no matter what you do, no matter what nature of the security measure you perform. you still increase global vision. well, yes, it turns out environmentalists are against in our life on earth. here you are concerned about the hydrocarbon trace. no, i don’t even know what it is, but i had to ask about it, he showed only ecologists in a wave, well, well , or viktorovna and when did such a science of ecology arise at all, and this is a very good question, because everything depends on of what definition we use in order to find out what is ecology, which is first mentioned here. probably everyone

agrees with this, and in 1866, mr. hegel is a biologist, and he just said, that there is a separate science that , while studying, studies our places of existence and from that moment it is believed that, as it were , there was an opportunity for a niche for ecologists who study the interaction of organisms among themselves among themselves in the habitat, the influence of organisms on the environment, and the environment on the organism. eh, and so this topic became further e. develop i am very impressed. uh, the definition that was given by mr. kepsov in 1972, who believes that ecology, and interactions that affect population size are studied. and this is where there are no people no animals, where only nature there is no ecology, but

in fact where there is no struggle for existence. there is no ecology where there is no competition for existence, where they ate against birch trees. in any case, this one here, we can find 150 more definitions of ecology there. but it seems to me, now, uh, what we are going to discuss today and how the tasks are set. it is rather human ecology, because more and more science is being transformed and is studying those environments that affect humans. it's a biological environment - it's like what we are we mean by the natural environment there. this is, uh, our social environment and, uh, our environment, which is associated with a man-made impact, that is, a person who affects the world around us. and i think that running there is something to say on this topic, but it seems to me, uh , that's it, more than this factor is the circle that we mean by the social environment. he's

turning more and more. e, science, ecology, in a populist topic, we all, as a community, begin to discuss who does what. well, the more these discussions, the more pr and less chemistry, physics and other naturally scientific research. we'll talk today. well, indeed arkady alexandrovich, science is being transformed. and what was the goal originally set by scientists kogi sadly? i want to say what an amazing moment. i do not agree with our expert and object to him. and how is an ecologist by education who graduated from the white soil faculty 50 years ago, and the study of the second e-e on the basis of the second law of thermodynamics, the theory of entropy was the basis of everything that was taught? on faculty of biology, moscow state university 50 years ago or something to forget it. well, i don’t know

the problem, it’s just the media space that has turned our, uh, science, ecology, turned it into a scarecrow and a horror story. i will return to this, but initially. yes, this is the original. it really was in ancient times and in the middle ages. this is, so to speak, the doctrine of the interaction of the body. first, with the environment, then organisms among themselves with the environment, and then, so to speak, somewhere at the beginning of the beginning of the 20th century. and yet here a man appeared and vernadsky, he wrote about it, but i have another question, mind you. i said figure of the sixty-sixth year, yes 18600. well , my friends there was a phenomenon, there were processes, but there was no word. here the word appeared at this time led the term. denoting all these processes of interaction of organisms with the environment and so on, it was originally said that

there is an environment that regulates the development of life. here i emphasize. and this and uh, temperatures are light. this is the chemical composition atmosphere. everything, everything, everything fits, a man appeared. this is still so to speak the degree of human impact on the environment and the impact of the environment on humans. why there was a figure later, and before that there was a relief of our great zoologist, who wrote a book on the interaction of the environment with the influence of the environment on animals, and then other scientists appeared, the same dokuchaev, the doctrine of soil was also based on this then, and so on. and so we got, uh, we got to a simple one, so to speak, in the fifties a textbook on ecology appeared and it was brought to russia, well, in soviet that's such a thickness and it turned out that this textbook is something? uh, for schools , you understand, and then we even had a

biology textbook in german, because it was lysenko's canceled in the sixty-third year. so when i was finishing school, yes, but uh, there wasn’t and suddenly, right away, so to speak, the question arose that and also so they already, uh, teach. and why do they teach, and it’s better to have one thing that, uh, uh , the basis of the fundamentals of ecology - it’s not easy, so to speak, the science of interaction, the rest is a special type of thinking. here it is based on the physical laws of the concept of entropy, the second law and so on everything is connected everyone is connected with everyone nothing disappears nothing appears by itself. this is all at the heart of thermodynamics - these are the food pyramids of the movement of the cycle of matter. well, it's not energy that's losing energy, so to speak, entropy, so to speak, well, too, e ways and so on. all this led to the emergence of another science

of the worldview cycle. world carrier, thinking ecological thinking. geography geographical thinking you feel yourself in space. and ecology is e thinking, when you understand that everything is interconnected in everything, there are no harmful and useful connections of everything in the nature of the organisms of the environment of the components , so to speak, so we will also discuss after the advertisement on ntv why marina anisina fled france with the bourgeois children, what does she do for a living? the adult daughter of olga kabo hedgehog handle is not about me at all , my parents help me. what profession did the illegitimate daughter of androno-konchalovsky choose, now i will be a star, we are getting old and a good doctor in the family will not hurt. why do celebrities keep their kids with their moms? skirts and arrange their personal lives. i want to free float. i need to match

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it started about 30-40 years ago, then crooks of all stripes began to use the word ecology, projects with the word ecological name appeared to make a profit, which immediately increased their cost pseudo-ecologists became like a flea dogs. i can give dozens of examples of my experience when eco-projects ended in courts, but i took part in these courts as an expert. well, for example, a landfill filled up. the city was built with land for a ski center. yes, they just didn’t think that the garbage in this heap is heated, the snow on the mountain never constantly melts, well, in addition, everything around was covered with hydrogen sulfide. another example had nowhere to go. the slag was poured into a quarry, covered with river silt, trees were planted on a subbotnik not even a year had passed, as in all fish floated up belly up. well, the apotheosis. one factory sent abroad.

copper ingots media received ultraviolet light in the papers was written environmentally friendly, pure copper. well, of course, it increased its value. these are the original business processes, yes, ruslan kharisovich. and when the idea arose that the environment should be protected from humans, this is not a problem today. let's also remember ostrovsky once upon a time there were people, yes, yes, so they didn’t touch anyone, but they touched nature, burned trees, there was erosion soils, the village remained and civilization disappeared, here you go, a simple example. uh, let's go back to today's times there, just recently there, well, our chistye prudy in moscow , what were they called? before, remember, you merged everything, remember myasnitskaya street, yes, which they cleaned became clean. and of course , anthropological, and man always has an impact on nature, and this is the first thesis of today's program and the task, of course, is to reduce it. that's why, uh, really, too,

an example, so that it would be more interesting for everyone, let's take wide-brimmed hat, where did these brims come from? who knows he doesn’t know, it’s also that there are no birds in the mud, uh, which is poured out of the windows of the middle ages, of course , yes, rich people had a dress, beautiful people had, of course, a hat, and there was no diversion. uh, people throw away so on and liquid household waste and out of the windows in the narrow e european streets, of course, a big hat with the largest brim protected from this garbage. here, please, an element of clothing directly related to the pollution of nature. moreover, the etiquette catherine, i’ll meet you, that i, as a gentleman, should make a hat, yes, and why is it done right, that you shake off this garbage looks lovely in front of you in the form of heels in which women walk, too , only rich people could afford a block to this garbage does not walk and look decent, when the garbage was more or less removed in order to lengthen the legs

in order to become an indicator of a rich person and beauty. eh, let's say. hey, let's take billiards. everyone loves to play this sport. hmm, a sports game, but literally in nineteenth century in 1800, billiards was the progenitor of plastic. because when they first made it out of wood, then they began to make wonderful materials - ivory, not even the ivory of elephant upholstery. and don’t even take a word, but an elephant, because their smaller pores turn out to be a more stable ball and from one tusk a maximum of 3-4 balls turned out so the numbers in 1860 were only in london well, england was the capital and so on of a billion, and these are sports 150 tons of tusks were imported, and in 1890 a year later, 30 years later, 750 tons of the main bone were imported a year, so we understand that it doesn’t kill anyway. just cut out, respectively, stability. these chambers were dried

for about a year. after that the balls were obtained and the company producing these balls raised the cost, dear , already then you understand that the elephants will not be asked the question was simply to the community 10.000 dollars even or was pounds. uh, premium, yes please come up with no come up with a ball out of force. lloyd now they're making it like this, like this, billiards. i hope your whole ice. yes, they are modern. well, why protect from a person? i would like to show on a small chart. i'm ready, well , we prove that ecology is a science, and science is always graphics. well, just yes, it seems, sometimes, that there is already fashion around ecology and business around ecology, everything is there. but about science. yes? let's prove our task is that we become eco-sapiens an eco-friendly person, and a human, an upright intelligent person, is environmentally friendly by default. we are not like this, we will take the usual medicine plane. here with ordinates and

here let's draw the time of development, the existence of man, and here the level of his development. and let's draw a graph, let's say we have several here. hundreds of thousands of years since man exists. and so, let's draw this graph, and dear friends it will look like this, well, where did the fire appear here ? and here are the last 200 years. we are in such an interesting schedule , nothing is happening and the last 100 years there has been an explosion. what 100 years in the last 10 years? what but here it is a very big question for all of us. no, we can forever develop at such an exponential level, or we would run into resource constraints and either degrade due to some kind of catastrophe until this moment. this is a big question for today's humanity, and our humanity is developing literally 90 years ago in 1927 . 2 billion people lived on earth

now, now it’s already more than eight billion in 90 years, dear friends, it’s more than three and a half times more, it will even be 30. of course, demographers told us here, but then we will decrease again, so there is a question and what does it have to do with it? it would seem that ecology, because the number of people and the level of well-being absolutely clearly correspond to the load that we put on the environment in the form of an average air ocean. and the formation of waste is pollution of the land, so now this question is facing our globe, it is ecologists, how scientists should give an answer to what to do. thank you so what? you alexandrovich well, well, we really interfere with our splash ecology, but on the other hand the environment, but on the other hand the environment

affects the person. so maybe the human needs to be protected from the environment on the contrary. you know, development is underway on the topic of a surge. that's the way that's the economy and the population and the energy consumption there. so now we are at this stage. we need to grow up a little more and then slowly there will be stabilization. and the most developed countries. this has already been shown. that is, even in terms of energy consumption, developed countries are already going down others, as it were, reach this level. so there will be stabilization and this is, in principle, normal. well, we still need to learn a little, but is it necessary to protect a person from the environment. well, you know , we live in an amazing planet, which is interesting in that there are places where it is very cold, somewhere very hot, somewhere a raging ocean and naturally. a person has to survive somehow in these conditions. so who's helping? is it clear that they help? there are the same builders who have learned how to build houses and we can

already protect ourselves in a cold climate the answer of the wind the same energetics that give us the opportunity to live in a cold climate in warmth, and in hot, on the contrary cold, due to condensation. there we can drive cars on smooth roads. well, learned to conquer the oceans. we can sail there on a ship in any weather, and fly by plane at all, not noticing that there is a storm , that is, and at the same time, the mariana trench, we did not find that this beer bottle, in my opinion, is already a lot of things. i think it can be found in this way. in principle, a person must be protected. well, a lot of people a lot of companies are aimed at just this for creating comfortable living conditions. that is, we essentially need to make friends with nature. by the way, i can say that i have seen interesting examples of infrastructure, for example, a railway needs to be laid. you can just lay about anything uncomfortable. can i. watch and what's around , and here is some kind of forest going through , there are ecological paths where migratory animals are, and here are smart people, they make tunnels there on purpose so that the animals do not even

notice it. there is a very interesting solution on the sinking of rails at the time and construction. and after that, so as not to harm, these projects are very interesting, because both at the time of construction and at the time. this is the minimum harm. ecology. this is really an attempt to make friends with these growing human needs, that the environment that exists around us, means there are really more attempts. i often travel to the krasnoyarsk territory. and there , in the reserves where people are allowed to walk , they began to make trails, and on piles for people so that they would not walk among animals and reserves. that is, they also walk, but they walk on roads that are more consecrated to interfere, they don’t trample the soil without interfering, but i just want to say that i was a few years ago. professor baskin and i recommended the author. well, it's still an experience. transitions and implementation to begin in russia and the first such on the kaluga highway, according to our proposal, were built. you can drive this

one hundred, sixth in my opinion, kilometer where a wide eco transition is built for here, well, we're not talking about that. that's right, let's talk about damage. let's talk a little arkady alexandrovich a hmm when we had a program about the ocean. we touched upon there, including the topic of what is very much in the ocean. now plastic of various kinds is a real problem. so what damage is caused by human activities? who is this and how does he think, but uh, i hope that this is another horror story, so to speak, in the coffin of ecology, or something, and for a correct understanding . the fact is that they said it right about the correct understanding. i have arrived, we have arrived with children to the shantar islands. lord shantar islands. many don't know where it is at all there is no one there, there is no life, nothing. and just imagine, my children and i go out to an absolutely empty shore where bears walk, where even a russian person has never set foot, and people don’t know, we go out the whole shore, covered with bottles,

the whole shore, i ask the sailors. what is something? why is the entire coast on these shantar islands in the sea of ​​okhotsk, where there is never anyone, filled with bottles. they say, but because from japan during the days they bring us all the bottles from all over the ocean and i’ll tell you even more terrible, i often supervised the work on the strategy of preserving the nature of the lower volga. summer is summer, we take space images. uh, late spring, the ice has melted everywhere and suddenly we see several channels in the pictures of white color, we go there and find several kilometers closed. uh, the volga canal it's full of bottles. this is not international, so to speak, uh, the current and the rest is our own. yes, this is another one. uh, another one. so to say, such, well, not

mythology uh uh, like climate change here garbage problem. in a few years we will be dead, and plastic is not microplastic. now you understand the problems, the whole oceans of microplastics. well, the climate will end , microplastics will begin. i assure you, but you asked me about the damage. but who thinks such a thing arose? eh, so eh tell you that i also destroyed carthage. yes, you understand , it turns out that way, and then my friends, my people, already harm. yes, and everything is an anthropogenic factor per person. eh, this is the most ecology, so to speak, a negative aspect of this media space. he just rages going wild. eh yes. yes. there are reversible and irreversible changes. in connection with human activity. again the same. eh, vernadsky taught the doctrine. it is in the sphere of reasonable transformations of nature, so that these 8

billion people eat normally, where they live , move around, enjoy nature, and so on, this is, and now about their own damage. we care about the damage, irreversible, really. uh, the extinction of animals, uh, let's say pollution, irreversible depletion of resources, and so on and so forth is correct, but now here is a very important point. a why is this? and everyone says, well, here, we are a person, all this, but consumption has been forgotten. and the fact that consumption is growing is not even so. and it's like this. she is growing. this is a comparison with this chart. friends. my, if indian china here we are with economists. i think we will agree if they want to live according to the level of consumption, since the united states of america

will not have enough planets and not only earth, but also venus and mass. that's why, that's why it's very important how to count, what to count, and so on. you said carbon footprint is there, please, how much do we need to feed the belly of us man. how much is needed and so on and so forth. so it counts. eh, it is considered so to speak, eh, the norm for human development. but all the time he says that this is damage. all the time. you say it's harmful well then another popular topic. we have e, well , to say, in general, a friend of pavel and he decided to do it. livestock let's go let's go. oh what? well let's go, let's go let's go. don't fart, barely victor well, don't be afraid, i 'll explain to you now. why do you want volodya? i went let's go go-go. let's go like this, so i decided

to go into animal husbandry, but then i found out that m-m cows spoil, let's say the environment. yes, it gives emissions. eh, it gives bondage, someone scared pavel and pavlovich now he thinks, that's what you are doing with this beauty. yes, but she does not obey, or really, really. how is human nature different? ah, a very interesting question, uh, and does nature answer and how can we measure it? how does nature respond to us? unfortunately, global projects that implement a person? well, maybe or fortunately it has a very short one. ah, historical period. well, we are there goiro, all our hydroelectric stations and cascades are only 100 years old, and

mirny atom, and 50 there are 50 years old, and to say how exactly nature reacts. yes, it's difficult enough. but, by the way, about uh, everything will not be manual guidance. yes, there are, uh, a number of theories that say that if we cut down now, uh, i'm afraid that environmentalists are going to be upset now, we are sleeping all the trees on the globe. that is due to the fact that the measurement will change the entire system of reflection of light from the earth from the earth surface, the temperature will drop by 6°. and then we will have large animals. they will eat cereals. uh, and uh, another completely ecosystem will be. that is actually. on the one hand, we are told, we must plant a lot of e, and restore forests e. eh, but on the other hand. if

you cut down all the trees, then the temperature, oh, which we all bake so much, it will drop. well, purely it is a physical phenomenon. and then i don’t presume, uh, to talk about how yes, what will happen to our oxygen in the air, will there be enough plants, and a grassy layer in order to in order to fulfill this oxygen or it will be a plant in the water that are replenishing oxygen, but there are also such in theory and thus determine now, uh, our bold projects, uh, for the transformations of the surrounding world. well, in order to achieve a high standard of living and quality of life. and of course, what i would like to say is that we don’t know at all right now. how will the agglomeration effect affect a person’s life, that quite a lot of research has already appeared that if a person lives in a city where there are more than three million

people, then, and he is slowly dying, especially if he came from the countryside and has never lived such an anthropogenic load, then his age. there will be 10-15 years. and then he falls ill with his genetic diseases, which are peculiar to him and simply die, because regardless of the immigration of people to big cities. she turns out to be in good health, of course, do you remember volodya, what was told in the insight program? people's vision is declining precisely because we live in in big cities and we don’t need to look beyond the horizon, well, there are many factors here. independence of a person’s income, the level of his income, the quality of water, food, air, it affects you and me, as residents of an agglomeration, we notice that all restaurants are chain stores of all chain stores. that is, we have no choice. we can’t do anything about it, and so, uh, there’s also

a study that says what is needed. i think this is the most important direction right now. smart consumption, how to say how how to survive how to survive in big cities, and we are all in the noise level in the level of gas contamination. thanks a lot. let's stop advertising on ntv for a long time. fan cards are a digital service for safe and comfortable attendance at football matches. the card number is needed to buy tickets and subscriptions to the russian premier league games and the russian football cup final . you can apply for registration on public services or in the application. public services fan card service is valid at the stadiums of all clubs, 12 cities get a fan card and support football at stadium. on the air is a meow program and a program about how science will change our lives, in the next 10 years, in 10 years, ecology

will again become a science. well, as alexander arkady alexandrovich rightly said today, ecologists. very often we are pseudo. yes, pseudoecologists. and very often they scare us, but vyacheslav alexandrovich , look, he scares us because the air is dirty. and we live. hmm. something else is still bad, the water is terrible, but at the same time we live. we are still longer, what kind of paradox is this? well, in principle , they are right to scare, because especially, by the way, in our cities, the air is rather dirty and still thrown away, primarily from the car, the fumes, and the water is not the cleanest. so this is all happening, right? by the way, i will note the last decades, ours is an active process of urbanization, that is, people are moving and moving more and more in cities. that is, this is a global process and this is quite inevitable. why do we live longer? well, you know, we're kind of trying to create

a filter between us and the environment. that is, there is dirty water in the rivers, but further disinfection cleaning system and so on and to us. she already comes across a completely different quality. there is dirty air, but in the car. for example, we are driving, there are filters in many buildings of the air conditioning system and filtration, and so on, which are trying to create better conditions for us. that is, essentially. we're really creating some wow ball around us to live in some nicer eco friendly world. that is, it really affects, but the main thing, probably it's still medicine. here, if you remember our grandmothers there, who made them stories about how families used to be born there, there were 7-10 children, but until adulthood it’s good if half lived, then now for us it’s, well, something impossible because we understand that well, there is a pediatrician, he will cure the child and indeed. here's how we protected ourselves and medicine. well, everyone , with these means, thanks to science, it, of course, gives us the opportunity to survive, even

in deteriorating environmental conditions, if we did not worsen conditions, we would not learn protect yourself. well, where is house 2 so good ruslan kharitovich. well, recently, as activists tried, uh, to spoil the van gogh painting, sunflowers were glued there to the wall with their hands. yes, that's all. this is the motto of the fight for the environment. it turns out that activism is the future of ecology and there is no way without it. well, i'm sitting on the side of ecology, it's science. i think everything that is happening here has nothing to do with science in relation to glue. glue, maybe than others. this is the desire to play on feelings. at moments like these and behind it all big corporations cost a lot of money in order to push something somewhere, naturally, environmentalists who stick themselves there all this, they know that this is constantly behind it, that i think that it’s still

enough to set fire to something and then already flaring up and publicly we have an opinion. i believe that tasks. e. first of all , this is education, like enlightenment on a serious scientific basis. here. i even brought such low environmental ones, we issue abc magazines on ecology there. this needs to be talked about, and so now there is no school, no big powerful program and in the cities. yes, and this needs to be told a lot is being done there moscow leader in electric buses. yes , we also know this, but more than 500 modern parks. it's in the city. yes, where we are now in every city there is something to be proud of, there are problems, and we must know and know their correct solution, and not follow these hype moments and the simplest example. here we are, when we took out the bottles, you all recognize the ecopackage. and now here's any of us, as if working or ask the scientists what kind of package he came up with by marketers, caused great damage to the environment, that is, it supposedly decomposes, which supposedly decomposes in 20 years. it decomposes, but decomposes into microplastics.

so called for 20 years. they are over 400 , but the worst thing is that when we taught such a package, we ran into a problem with the mass, already their different melting points for this ordinary plastic, let's say, yes, let's say 220 degrees. it's there, let's say, 190, and when kneading someone on these, how would we make us. uh, because we want to be environmentally responsible. buy the rest. this is a real fake trend that has become a big trend, but a public one, but now everyone understands. which, of course, is good, then i have a question for our guests from an optimistic skeptic. but what should be done? uh, so that ecology again becomes not a fashion, not a hype, yes, not a business, but a science, and do we need it at all , will it be of any benefit to everyone, the question is first of all necessary, but from this tinsel of tinsel perception of ecology as some kind of negative factor a. uh, a symbol of alarmism. eh, the horror story in

the media space needs to be cleared, cleared of this husk, the second is very important. eh, here you are talking about returning e science, so to speak, its original perception and e interpretation. this is also very important now , because people, uh, young people go to study to become, but they do not become ecologists, because they do not have the very worldview that i say that they have. science, after all, what is ecology now, now, if in its purest form it is the basis for the salvation of mankind, because it developed on the basis of its own laws, then the regulations are from these economic activities. e here this one, a our e, supplier of new materials and means. uh, including medical what did uh talk about, so to speak? yes, why because there are no harmful uh, and useful

uh, uh, equally necessary for nature, species of plants and animals, there are remedies for cancer. i assure you to eat from any other diseases, you just need to explore how to do it gradually. so to speak, the species is envious of all these 14 million species, after all, we find not only uh, harmful strains of viruses, but also those who make penicillin and so on. these are also microorganisms that the following, uh, modern science will give us the opportunity to restore what is polluted, what is what is destroyed, and so on, because at the heart of this very life, so to speak, e life, and most importantly, she is a person who did it - will return, so to speak, to him a human, so to speak, consciousness. that's how this is my motto yes sausages. well, you know, here's an interesting moment. well, let's say, let's say. i am the director of the company there. and i

i have shareholders there, my task is to maximize income, as a rule, ecology is still an expense. naturally. i should do less of this, but at the same time i am also a person who wants to breathe clean air. i have kids who want to swim clean water. and i need to search. here is the compromise. between what seems to be good and what i should do, it seems to me that the task of science, just these and ecology, is to help people find this compromise, that is, it makes sense if environmentalists say and work with the regulator, what should i do? that's how it is business will come and say that this is, as it were, the procedure by which you must work. here are some of the restrictions. these are the fines that i am already as the director of the enterprise. i'll come and tell the collector. here it is written that it does just that. that's just such good projects there with transitions and so on you can realize they made me. this is how the shareholder will be fined, they will say, well, of course, do it, and here it is important that science works in the right direction, that it helps

the state develop these decisions, which it seems to me that business will be happy to correct if they are really correctly spelled out, if they are the same for everyone, if all enterprises understand that not only i am being fined, everything is simple. ours is generally a single task for everyone the same. eh, but i still want to return our discussion to the scientific path and say that our ecologies. unfortunately, now they are lagging behind in terms of technological base and research. it lags behind other types of science. well, for example, from biology to chemistry from physics. we still continue so far in ecology to use the methods of the 19th century, and not at all the 21st, many, but we will take it if the expeditions are arctic there. what methods do they use to make fences, what does he measure there? there is no question not that they are not needed, but to use the old methods. they often give good results, you can make a cut e legitimate,

but modern methods of gliders underwater these satellites. that is, now science has sufficiently large reserves of what could be applied so that ecology returns to the path of such a modern science to ornament, but it is precisely to develop how science, not as a skeptic's business. i invite you to our institute in the laboratory of radiocarbon isotope laboratory of work with e, core e ice, where they study retrospective who. if a person to nature and so on, uh to my laboratory soil science laboratory, uh hydrology climatology, look uh. so the twenty-third is about a century, and that's it, of course , all the models that are used are all of them or in an ensemble with international, so to speak , models, including ecological and ecological ones, and even surpasses some the decision will also support you, because the rusatami have already achieved such technologies, and

conclusions are up to green lawns. yes, and the world of nato there is something that needs to be told, such as shown. but now i see a sphere that symbolizes our earth, i came to you in response to your question, dear friends, a little anecdote is very short. here the earth and mars meet. well, it happened. with each other in space and like old acquaintances to talk. mars asks for the earth, sis. you look somehow not very long ago you haven't seen how you've turned gray somehow sad. yes, listen, people are wound up, something is being drilled, something is polluting there. something happens to me all the time. i say all itchy. i don't know what to do with it. don't worry. i, too, were quickly gone. that's why, of course. no, i just did. i, of course, science is very accurate , they would like a little bit, uh, so that we all think, first of all, of course, ecology, as science should not

stop progress unfortunately. uh, here are all the dycologists and also behind him, of course, stop these things, make the house load often, because of which there is no additional environmental benefit for all of us, and therefore there must be a compromise. that's because we are developing, and in this development there is life and life must stop. that is why science should remain with everyone in principle and serve for the benefit of mankind. thanks a lot. let's take a break advertising on ntv forest fires occur through the fault of man stop and defeat the fire a science program about how our lives will change

in the next 10 years, dear hotels. i have all the questions for you. with what probability, in your opinion? ecology will still become a science in 10 years. let's go with you. what is your prediction. i'm sure we have no other choice. and, of course, humanity should be afraid of the frightened zone of the hole. now there is afraid of microplastics. no, it will be necessary to take measures for this. we would like , as scientists, as industries, who are in this direction to this means, so that this were not fake. these were really the events that are really. in the long term. uh, would help us not to stop development and increase the likelihood that such ecology will again become a science. i say we have no other choice. well, that is, if it does not become a science, we will end up like that's an award, thank you very much. you know, i'm a realist, here's our program began with the fact that professor kapustin spoke about the so-called ecologists. i'm here

the problem is that really most people in the world see the so-called environmentalists, which depict ecology, and we do not see the real ones, including those present at this table, and this is the problem, and i understand that in 10 years, probably, the situation will not change much and, unfortunately, ecology will remain an element. somewhere politics, somewhere the struggle of business, both small and large, for certain interests. therefore, i will give 60% for this. but 40% is still for us to hear more real ecologies, including, including the probability of 40% of the total yes, 40%, thank you very much. 100% w- after all, the world will come to its senses 10 years is enough to e return science to its original sound to abandon this politicized, uh , husk, uh, but alarmism. e. e, so to speak , frightening, uh, pictures and fakes and so on.

no need. even this extra funding. you just need to redistribute, stop already, so to speak, throw off everything on the climate or on e, the fight against ozone, or and so on, even i am against this slogan of the bolshevik struggle for the environment, but it has stopped, so to speak. i give 100% that science will remain as it is now. she will stay science, but it will become stronger, so to speak. e when i return it even more in demand. it is, in general, the science of the future, you know, this is what, so to speak, will return our human appearance to us and save humanity 100%, thank you very much. i think that in 10 years it will definitely not, but because now we actually have such a transition to a new

technological order, and therefore we are not ready for this, well, in 30 years, probably, yes, and now 80% probability what won't? well, that is, only 20% we leave turns out to be optimistic for 10 years skeptic 20%, thank you very much. volodya is a very positive result. you know at the beginning of our program. i was skeptical about environmentalists, uh, and i understand why i think , indeed, most of our viewers have about the same feelings of all the so-called environmentalists that we see, this is not science, this is not environmentalists. this is a thrill. these are nightmares, but after the program i understand how important it is to have real ecology, real from the basics. the true has become a science again, so that it will be purified, as it is right alexandrovich speaks from this husk from these

nightmares and horrors and scarecrows. this is how you want it to be and the probability of this, according to our guests, is 65% and this makes me happy. well, let's hope that all the next 10 years. yes, many will throw off the burden of this, uh, business and political manipulation, but whether this will come true or not, we will find out pretty soon in the next 10 years. it was the science program and we are a program about how to change science, including our life with you in the next 10 years. take care of each other. protect the environment. we are reasonable consumption because of real ecology. bye.