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soap on releases to the last our security and breaks, probably. accumulating forces is preparing an offensive and terrorist attacks, while its mobilized go to the expense at the front. having exchanged ukraine for offshore companies, a servant of civilized gentlemen walks at the wake for money. rina was a sponsor and finland's almost nato trip to kiev was combined with the funeral of a famous nazi nicknamed to heighten the effect. yes, vincia thug to ottsubayla, the ninety-
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fifth quarter of the forbidden legal sector turns the button accordion into a show, they didn’t break it, but marin throws it in the hat unshaven kept woman 29 million euros. dad is the most expensive call boy last year made more than 150 billion euros for the murder of boris and monstrous footage, ukrainian militants filmed exclusively for internal use dryers with a white flag go to surrender, their brother shoot them in the back with automatic bursts. and dictators are literally walking over corpses, but for the civilized world, they bought it more like a dream, as
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if they never existed. zelensky's war crime is obligatory, unless, of course, he is sewn up by the anglo-sections, and he manages to live to see court. ukraine, but also all the perpetrators, saving their own skin right now, they are ready to give murderous evidence against their leader. katranich vitaliy sergeevich, call sign katran well, i didn’t commit such a crime, former senior sergeant of the seventy-fourth reconnaissance battalion of the armed formation of the kiev regime committed a series of war crimes on their bloody path. he started with the massacre of civilians in mariupol , this is a three-story pelt house he went. well, he gave an order, like, yes, well, like a five-story building, like
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there the enemy is enemies, for him. this civilian population of novorossiysk was shot, and who was released in mariupol, this carp personally shot the unarmed vyacheslav arturchik then we went in, i found there seven more charred bodies. yes, these were ordinary rural ones. well, there's a feast, apparently they had some. kuznetsov ivan vasilievich, a cutthroat from
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the forbidden azov, killed without any doubt, as in a computer shooter. i opened fire. after that , all war crimes have surnames, first names and patronymics. watch, listen and judge for yourself these militants zelensky right now what i did. led to the whole here is this dvizhuha these dreams. now his dream of life turned into a nightmare in 2021, when the future militant voluntarily appeared at the military enlistment office and there was nowhere to live and because of the coronavirus he didn’t work much, but i asked the military enlistment office to send me where they pay. well, there was silence. he said that there is a part of the fifty-sixth brigade, the twenty-third battalion is in mariupol, you will go there, - he says that the salary of 23,000 hryvnia should be with
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her to take care of the housework. i'm such a family went through the outfits in the kitchen there at the checkpoint with weapons, despite the fact that i don’t have the knb, and then at the beginning of this special operation on the twenty-third. i got sick with coronavirus and ended up in the hospital. the beginning of a military special operation. he met in a hospital bed in dnepropetrovsk in my unit there were still guys with me who also got sick with the coronavirus. uh, our uh, so to speak, the chief of staff at that time began to say that you were throwing out the soldiers and returning. there was nowhere to return to the part of his military unit from mariupol had already regrouped with banderia, then at that time we already had a unit in mariupol, uyut as such, no longer existed. it had already been completely defeated, only the headquarters remained, where they collected fresh meat to be sent to the front. i was immediately given an automatic armored helmet and the next day, so what
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the next night i arrived, it turns out i spent the night at the ksp at the headquarters the next morning i was sent to the position. well, in the end, we were completely smashed on the first day. 3 - 3 infantry fighting vehicles and eight 200 decided to raise morale, about the same as chronically prohibited drugs. combat medic issued. well, as drugs , roughly speaking, that's what he said, here, like, that the boys weren't scared. a year ago, on march 3 , 2022, in volnovakha , simbirsky, an ordinary ukrainian soldier, committed his first murder, but this is literally my first fight.
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so, i never even fired a shot from a machine gun. so they put me in such a meat grinder, plus all sorts of narcotic ones . these things and adrenaline. and when i retreated, i just let out a line, m-m, two civilians. these were ordinary peaceful the residents who were running down the street hiding from the shelling, they just ran out about 50 meters . probably, they didn’t react to the large number of the crowd, which they offended, i don’t know why. they didn't hide at all. he took off the automatic safety lock, took aim and rolled the people in line. they ran out from the left side of the house. here, well, on the left side lived strips, so to speak from the cage. here we are while driving. they just explained to us. well, they brought in there, like propaganda there, the belly, the beetles
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raped, in short, well, they tried to somehow piss me off. so you said that a lot dressed according to strength and the like. don't look like he's dressed like his civilian and well, war. everything will write off these nazi narratives. now i repeated here the punishers, but the occupied territories. no, the civilian population is only accomplices of enemies. why did you either walk away? the rest told us that we should occupy the last house. we almost reached it, saw that civilians were walking there, they told me, like, in short. and who told you, valik is a contract, and he
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took out a grenade launcher and did what valik touched. i fired two shells at this house. it was harder to miss than to hit the targets, two shots from a grenade launcher. they burned down a residential building from the inside, the whole family of civilians died , one window, and the second at the door, but it just flew diagonally, well, almost into the kitchen, then we went in. i found it there. seven more. there were no charred bodies of children. well, there are feasts, apparently they had some kind of three women, four men at that moment karasim became scared, if they catch seven corpses, this is for life. we must have started arguing. i totally freaked out afterwards. completely ripped off the roof we didn't know what to do. just because
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they did it. started blaming him, he started blaming me. and in the end. it escalated into conflict. we shouted, shouted, then they took the bodies out to serve in the barn and went out on the radio asking what we should do, they told us, well, like, take positions, do, in short, fortifications and the like, we stayed in this house. with two shots from an rpg, he killed his conscience by stepping over a single blood. and then he didn’t care who to kill and rob, it’s just after the third one too numbers. i saw how he, well, it turns out, he ran from behind and also started shooting. that's how he went home and hit his grandmother through a wooden fence shot to his grandmother. he remembers cold and indifferent as she smoked cigarettes we used to go. that's how
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they saw them at home. there people walk around like that. well, they have cattle. they have their own farm there, and they're not, well, old, they don't know what they 're doing. where to go. they don't even want to leave, only in just a few days to worry the ukrainian soldier turned into a criminal, murderer and looters. took a couple earrings and one gold seal. then when i arrived, it turns out to the airport. there were trips to selidovo and on pokrovskaya i went to a pawnshop. found. is this gold. glory ukraine glory to our pussy, zelensky's militants torn from their ears are called trophies. i watched our fighters take. well, it's just marauders there, someone's briefcases were full of laptops. then when the first groups retreated, they did these briefcases, well, they threw them with
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russian of these slogans. no one was shy in ukraine, 8 years before the start of special operations , he brought propaganda to a lethal dose of dogs. boy girl, think yes, stolen laptops, militants watched a protracted five-minute hate. glory to ukraine, when zelensky no longer took the evening, the militants varnished with vodka. we searched, found vodka , found wine. here, well it's in the cellars in basically. well, sourdough also thumped. in the same bloody frenzy. was his command. there was already some kind of situation, that is. our leadership from the lack of equipment and
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artillery, it simply takes or people somehow try to compensate for this, that is, they take it. here is the company. there, 50 people send her for meat. all of them, let's say, were killed and they don't take anything terrible and re-staff , they just recruit new mobilized and do the same. it's better going to you about the dudes. we will fight yaktelki. we we can get to fight to the last ukrainian, the ukrainians themselves do not want even for 100,000 hryvnias a month, therefore, officers use their methods of working with youth
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to take those who were sitting. there was a peasant, he had thieves' stars stuffed. he sits. he's not something that sticks out there. so in the unit appeared looking stars. threatening to be shot like this is literally a chance there were a lot of refuseniks among us, who did not want to go on the attack against militants of the kiev regime, pushing detachments from the city. it was not hyper and not a figure of speech, but the usual practice of all. finally, there they threatened me with executions and said that they would put me in jail. there, from 5 to 10 svetitry
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behaved like the last zilec. he got me. i just started that there is our leadership in general, how it takes our boys , just takes it and throws meat and shit in their ears this nazar for the last time. he came and started moving. we need the boys, because here they are advancing on us there. from the position forever memory sim who has seen live, but for ukraine forever glory to the false and the skin, who fights for independence glory to ukraine to die for zelensky's offshore and independence in the composition poland the ordinary militant did not want to. i just
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started going after your fighters. simple and all without a machine. so i walked four hundred meters, they told me, stop. i stopped in my direction fired a couple of shots. i fell and began to swing here they ran me up and tied me up. e, blindfolded and lowered around, and then something happened that he did not expect. you didn't beat me there. i was fed, she ate and passed me on. oh well, i saw the same ordinary men there. he found out what these ordinary men risked in life for, because the square of the angels you did not know at all, i. well, you tell us on the news from above that they definitely work, that in general we do everything like jewelry. now. he realized his empty and evil fate will end behind bars , there will be a trial and a harsh sentence for war
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crimes war crimes. well, if in the person of an ordinary soldier it is looting the murder of copper war crimes, and in the person of some officers there, it is to give such orders not to say in advance, for example, where you are going not to staff properly. at all don't tell people what to do, don't train them. so just like that , sent 50 people to take it. they were killed. well, it's okay, a whole bunch of mobilized, nuri blood clotting. if someone starts talking about this, and we will immediately close our mouths. decided to break the dinner of silence what your government is doing, what our command of europe is doing glory to ukraine
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what is there to regret, as it were, well, done means to kill. the former punisher from the forbidden azov does not repent of anything even in captivity, even if it ends badly. i i will know the ear has lived. it’s somehow interesting there, in a couple of minutes, a dangerous beast will be released from the cage, how a simple kid from mariupol became a punisher from zelensky’s gang who ordered him to kill ours, why he walked around mariupol, posing as a civilian and how he was handed over by his own immediately after
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the advertisement along with as a captive punisher, let us follow the bloody footprints of his crimes. why did marina anisina escape from france with her children, how does the adult daughter of olga kabo earn a living, a difficult leader, in general not about me, my parents help me. what profession did the illegitimate daughter of andron konchalovsky choose in the family? why and keeps the children at their mother's skirt and arrange their personal life. i want to free float. i need to match applicants. i always looked, if there is a male core, what is it love or guilt for the years when they were not there for me, that there is no dad, why? i do not see him, even was my mother spent the holiday. so many. if there is a desire to participate, i will not refuse the stars aligned. i
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a large-caliber ladle and not a ballpoint pen at headquarters. by the way, they also told me about this in isolation, this is your position. i say there is a senior shooter, there they say this one, otherwise they say there that you are not a driver. they are not there, not a cook, not a radio operator, there is some kind of sudden attack. frankness ends. the militant does not leave consciously, he is afraid to accidentally blurt out an extra term, it shines here and even there in the event of an exchange. it seems to me that roughly speaking, and so i have a great chance to sit there, yes, if they change, and so, maybe, i don’t know there. i don't know, maybe it's just a condemnation, like i'm afraid and the all former punisher forgets about caution. only when hatred awakens in him, we perceive russia as an enemy, and now there is no need for questions, why or how, just take it now as in fact, his entire biography, like bloody puddles of traces of crimes, the former senior strelka kuznetsov stretch all over the mariupol cup,
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10 to 20 years, according to the laws of russia, is simply considered 205 participation in the european union. organizations or terrorist acts. it belongs to the most serious crimes, and all he was not, he became a born killer, when he joined a banned gang. azov january 20 is my birthday. i turn 18 years old. and my godmother, she knew one colonel from 30-57 azov seconded from the mariupol unit under number 357, and she i contacted him, but in order for him to help me decide what i want what the young gopniks want. to work more, to get more and with impunity to nightmare anyone, potions, from crooked rohu, for this he began to walk there in ukraine. i contacted kalina phoned. and after a while i
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was scheduled for an interview, there were questions. just, how do you feel about the current government there or something else, i replied that well, for me, as it were country and state are two different things. and i love my country very much. that is with this i have this look. i will never change, and what about the state. well, it could be better that he successfully passed the test for true rice, but before that i performed, roughly speaking, the same functions that any ordinary fighter performed, a strong guy with nazi convolutions in his head turned out to be among his guys, these were guys older than me, but at that moment it was the movements of the ultras. that is, they had some of their own. i don't know the interests there. there they have more associated with sports. stop, stop 2020 urzuf hand-to-hand combat training camp for militants.
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we even had some of our colleagues there, there was someone goalboxing, someone there was mixed martial arts, that there was a gym there to just train with iron and yes, i could, let’s say, i’ll go to my commander and tell us we don’t have anything today . it's good. i go to the gym, i study there. the developments of various martial arts in order to become a more advanced weapon were prepared according to the standards necessary in the future in russia, i believe that azov - since it is at that time and now the best division in our country, i think, yes, professional electro was constantly involved. and we had psychologists. what is the name of turning around from mariupol, kuznetsov himself did not notice how from a simple russian kid he turned into an irreconcilable anti-russian, no matter how strange
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it may sound, but many of my peers at that moment, when everything was there for 14-15 years, because they were still kids, they didn’t understand what and how, and i even honestly thought that everything was cool in russia, but then they started growing. the lost generation after maidan euro grew up on slogans. poroshenko buddha they have. the mute in our wild go to school. yes, they are wild. here they will sit and the basement of the future action movie. i listened to this from every iron and absorbed a sense of superiority and hatred. i also look at my own means, that they began to add something in my head, so to speak, and spoke specifically for their country. and so did i, because i reasoned that it was really right, in my opinion, having matured. he already firmly knew that the russian question should be decide tough once and for all i let the mentality.
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let's just say that russian russian is called whatever you want, but i don't like it, that is, you know how and it even feels in communication with people, a referendum on independence in the mariupolian colorado, which would be his. fuck, he would have crushed without pity, yes, we need peace and that's it, peace of mind. if you want, there, i don’t know, but ask me, uh, beat this man and say aha, you are there for russia, everything is on you. there's a knife in the oven, a knife in the liver, so everything will be, when in may 2014 crucian carp or break into the city of abatniks, those who are not killed will be sent to the secret concentration camp, codenamed library , where, a stone's throw from the unprofitable cells covered with blood , gratitude and universal us will grimace in front of the executioners, though from all sorts of scum. thank you very much, do you understand? i could have told you there. and what kind of situations or stories are there, but i
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will not do this under the camera. august 2014 marinka inglorious bastards with chevrons divisions from the tests carry out miritka carp in the occupied territories behind the scenes of someone of death. in 2015, even the us congress recognizes azov as a terrorist organization, but the gang will continue the genocide of civilians on orders from kiev 8, for many years they will shell donetsk, kidnap, torture and kill hostages. the superiority of one's nation over others. well, this can be interpreted in different ways. i love there, for example, ukrainians. ukraine, they
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destroyed us simply as a nation. 2022 the kiev regime will begin with unprecedented cruelty shelling of the people's republics on february 21, when russia recognizes independence dnr and lnr. congratulations, the base asked in kuznetsova to buzz like a hornet's nest, someone is filming a historical moment on a mobile phone. congratulations lnr. recognized putin vladimir vladimirovich and signed a contract for a friend something that's it, none of these militants are gone. he was absent from the living due to illness at the beginning of the war. i got
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coronavirus and was at home then. that is, i saw that there called me. neil was the commander and he reported that this and that, but you need to come, and the base was located kilometers in a straight line. that's when it was three four in the morning twenty on the fourth of february, just when we all found out, we all moved out. what happened next kuznetsov tells during the investigative experiment? which direction to the side , right there, by the way, is the meleken checkpoint in that direction, there goes like this straight ahead the road in that direction. here they stood, and in my opinion in this house the courtyard. we just sat there. i don't know how many people were there. he led 250 people of our ordinary people to shoot in a row and from the first floors and eight people began to shoot at people.
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incomprehension, well, as if he wants to run and wants to help his mother and then scum is on his head. this creature hits the child in the head. i’m the only one for her, and the terrestrial defense man pozdnyakov a. we noticed on the other side of the cooperative, oh, specifically along gromovaya street, as military personnel, and the russian federation allegedly ran across to us, after which kuznetsov opened fire in detail, telling how to finish off the wounded. i look to make sure i look, as it seemed to me i could be wrong, that the person continues to get up and take some action. i opened fire fully moving. and the military personnel of the dpr azov bitch you squeezed people shot. bitch
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what's up? some kind of volodarsky leaves, some buses were shooting glory to ukraine glory to our bitkovs, and then they finally began to achieve zelensky’s militants, like bedbugs drunk with blood, we ran out and headed to the side. well, roughly speaking, kuznetsov opened it, his brothers left the battlefield, after that, the weapons took off their uniforms and changed their shoes. i mean dressed up as civilians. citizen pozdnyakov and i came here to put weapons and uniforms here and, so to speak, move away from hostilities. well, according to some i think,
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by the standards of the framework of judgments. it is so indeed. but i think not. it seems that in the charter of his gang , in yellow and blue, all the punishments that threaten apostates on tv are spelled out. when i watch this interview, of course. that's it, it won't fall on here, we've been sitting there for more than one hour, probably, but there will also be something there, like, i'm there. yes, i left there. i ran away there. i was there in general, i said, fu, ukraine is shit and ran away. maybe cut this phrase altogether. this is the case when commenting only spoils, the former carp is sure that he is no worse than two and a half thousand of his accomplices who surrendered to azov became a man who just here he is on february 24th. there from may to mid-may, just turned gray. so the bunker grew. there, on the internet , i corresponded with someone and then just gave up and such fuh well, there i did everything as a hero, then this is offensive nicknames for commanders. heroes
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kuznetsov tells how he hid from our people in mariupol. i just went out there, one might say, even walked, so i even communicated with the military. it just knew where what was there. what part of it that you took did not take, they simply said that we would take the speed there, the port or something else. i just lived in the primorsky district. it's closer to the mouth. and so that's what got dressed in civilian clothes. aris poured bitters , drank there, too, a little bit of this one, and just sat talking drunken eyes, fugitive. action secretly made plans, there were options for the future. give up come back. ah , i don’t know any, there , roughly speaking, to engage in partisan activities, the three most basic
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crucians huddled at home under the plinth in an illegal position. here i accidentally found out that our counterintelligence tied up his messenger here. he said, there is not only about me , i also have a group of friends. exactly mine here since childhood. he told everything, as if everything, and all the information about me is soon. did all of kuznetsov himself and there went all sorts of actions there he did not repent of anything and did not pity those whom he killed with his own hands. he claims to kill with pleasure. i 'll say this to me, uh, in general, these are over there, as the flashbacks say, that's it, i have this. no, that is. well, i don’t remember, there it is with horror with some kind of fear, yes, i settled war crimes and this militant zelensky is waiting for a tribunal and sentences, if it ends, everything is fine, then it will be very interesting, even if it ends badly, i will know the ear lived there, life is somehow interesting, that is. well, this is especially for zelensky, they will suddenly
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see and decide to exchange the aryan lad, but in fact, cats are scratching their hearts. now it dawned on him that the kiev fighters for european values broke his life forever. politics divided us further, the chilling revelations of a captive saboteur, like cognac, drugs and zelensky pushed him to a crime. how he staged terrorist attacks and kidnapped hostages and how he killed civilians for a laptop and cereals immediately after a short advertisement zelensky's fantastic creatures will rush to the owner opens fantastic step door any purchases for 10 months. russia's favorite mask show, let's go on this journey. the main
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the former militant of the kiev comedian meets the russian spring of 2023 with a sour expression with joy on the face of our people, it turns out with his own hands. well, there's a war going on. well, here no hand pose, but people don't just fold back jr. you know that we have 200 people, 160 rabid creatures of zelensky go to fertilizer in the fields. if you're lucky, then
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captured, as a former senior sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine, vitaliy katrich i can already say, there is no punishment, my friend, to incur since 2013. and this character was happy to serve, too, there was a deadline until 2017 2018. the senior company suggested in the garden, and so it remained. and so, along the way, extended no ideology. it's just that the business in camouflage was to the motherland, he always measured it in hryvnias. well, i came to work out 1,000 hours. he then a little bit gradually, you know? broken hryvnia, he began to travel to the lotus zone in 2014 to kill militiamen sympathizers to adjust the fire on peaceful
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quarters, to arrange terrorist attacks and visit the hostages. well, the type of task we had was, uh, dear group. well, there will be prisoners to take the adjustment by fire. here. these are the tasks we had, well, the sabotage of this cunning and grated militant pretends that he did not understand then how his bloody sabotage differs from war crimes. just such a job. of all calibers, shoot civilians to the place, well, i say they brought them to positions. at donetsk they said that such tasks became. in fact, the former senior sergeants of the 74th reconnaissance battalion knew perfectly well that there would be artillery not on military targets on ordinary people. this is how they destroyed almost the entire street. naroda
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recalls how they combed the villages, kidnapping people with a bodonos. it was called raising an exchange fund. well, in the village people are set up there, like they say that they work there on the other side, then, well, the special services were told by the special services. well, they came and took this man away. it's interesting to work with your work, isn't it? well, for the ban on who knows what, ah exchange crimes. well, in the fourteenth year there were and were in nikolskoye.
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well, we swing there bukhaz, we stood there, a line, a line of standing, acted on the same principle as bandera 80 years ago for sale in the dpr, like, and these men , eight men, so that, well, they were shot by kidnapping, torture, murder the kiev regime turned important uncles and aunts in the west into a bloody conveyor were pleased and , hiding behind the fig leaf of the minsk agreements, secretly transferred weapons and military councils to ukraine about the sailors were british and poles. well, now shooting such, uh, brits. that's it. here are the tactics of teaching and the pole. this is also all a little bit, too , every half-in its own way, ukraine was going to become a member of nato, and under this roof it will just come out like. it’s already better, well, like europe
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was being prepared for the crimea and the war with russia. now the former senior sergeant remembers february 24, 2022. we were chamoyo in their cherlaklaku of mariupol, and behind the left side of the wave between the wallachians and mariupol there was a day of his ba. talonshil excited his pants. mariupol yes of course the crime calls an order not to let civilians out of the city. well, like, that the releases were the last type for
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what, like, our security is plowed, like, well, like, breaks through, i guess. evacuation of people from everyone. this is the whole warill, which has already been brought here for a whole week, people are being taken from the basement. russian soldiers are helping. they give their children hungry pahi but these remnants of luxury this is the ukrainian army. they just play shooting under the little kids. you just saw it with your own eyes. you must show this to the whole world, hide behind a human shield, direct fire militants shot at hated cities. it was a storey building for you, like you went, well, he gave an order, like, yes. well, like, who is a five-story building, like there again. she found the plant far from the five-story building, because everything was destroyed for her.
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there he killed here, robbed a pale saboteur tells about his forays into the city, they wanted to knock on the apartments. well, it was closed , opened, did not meet. it's just that it was not a person who opened it, and he shot him and fell from the black motorcycle memory one crime for to others the punisher is brought down. all the murders of the attacker went up, like they knocked on the apartment, like that one was opened first, such a man opened it and that one was also smoked. well, like, well, like , he went in to respond and a shot was fired at him. the man fell. yes, the apartment is looking for something to profit from in the hall and, well, there are such cool products.
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they thought it would come in handy from the first days of the special operation . following the example of the supreme clown, the morale of his unit was supported by drugs, in order not to sleep as a sailor, i ask you to take a corner of an ordinary stone, pass a civilian one there. well here i am well, i heard that it was like standing, well, they shouted, like, and started shooting. well, i went out to the balcony. i already paid for this, well, two people. well, the dead lay with their own hands killed one of the hostages. no, the eyes were not your
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decision the motive of this murder. he tries to justify his emotional state. before that, not so for two or three hours there in the bottle horse. kara drank for three, then already huddled in the bunker, the killer wanted to surrender, but was afraid to get it from opponents. very back, afraid to go out for this, that she would invite will be shot. i think how people were afraid to go out and the former crucian kuznetsov is why he is so afraid of getting under the exchange of prisoners in any case, look. you will show that one way or another, that's where i am the deserter and that's all. this will already play its fantastic beasts. greetings personally to the leader of the kiev regime, only katanich decided
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, it turned out short, but at least the vocabulary was censored, and the former ukrainian private, who killed seven innocent residents, decided to turn to his accomplices, who still had the strength to die in artyomovsk, avdeevka and so on everywhere. well, let those who hear do not perform as improvement is punished. you are not led to all this propaganda, the executioner volnovakha from this trinity seems to be the only one who understood, what a monster he has turned into, he can do what i did. what i have done. in general, i was led to we are all here, this is the movement of this moment, basically.
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interestingly, the alignment is now turning out . none of the western politicians simply hides that the main goal is to punish russia for violating the universal order, that is, not ukraine they support it not in confrontation with us to help it, namely, they are trying to get russia to abandon its idea of challenging the hegemon and its rules, so that the rest will see this will not allow anyone, but we formulated this for the first time in the munich speech in 2007. we wrote this in our red lines. that is, this is our version of a return to a world order built according to the rules of the un and not according to the patterns of the outcome of the cold war. but those who have won from these patterns do not want to move away from them now, if we start from
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