tv Mesto vstrechi NTV April 25, 2023 2:00pm-3:56pm MSK
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today, in our program, russia has dealt a blow. in the heart of tired he is the voice of russia sergey lavrov in the un security council challenged the unipolar world. what signal is the head? mida sent to washington no one allowed the western minority to speak on behalf of all mankind hunger games general secretary. he gave vladimir putin a letter with a proposal to extend the grain deal. and it is important for us to do this, otherwise there will be a food crisis in the world, the power of delusion russian children are dying from measles and more touching. who is to blame for the epidemic of the forgotten diseases, their main goal is to harm us. watch right now. hello is this the place where everything becomes clear? andrey norkin
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my colleague ivan parsley. we are working live. uh, you heard the news emile zola was on fire. well, almost self-propelled dejo about 2 hours ago officially announced that he will be nominated for uh the position of president in the next election, uh in the usa in the twenty-fourth year. ah. there, his main explanation was to defend democracy, and here he is. all their self-propelled guns are still running. yes, there are a lot of comments one story. i loved it. eh, i already told vanya. ah, so they dug up an episode from some of his company, well, he is still quite young in congress. and he has a rival. so a man. i don't remember, his last name is there, it doesn't matter. i , this man was 63 years old. at that moment , it means that there is such a headline, and joe biden claims that his rival is too older, 63 years old. well, there is such an approximate
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text. here, the old devil is rushing somewhere there , the congress is young, we are all, well, fine. okay, to this we probably still we will be returning. here, in general, the entire first hour. we will have such a geopolitical and let's start with the history of this grain deal about the need to support, which our people say so much. and there are no others. and it seems that again the questions. we are very serious about this deal. not that the need to extend it. and in general about whether it is necessary to save it. i will now give you the opinion of the ministry of defense of our country. and you will quickly understand. why does the ministry of defense mean that our ministry of defense believes that a is under threat the extension of this grain deal is being carried out. why is it because of the actions of the armed forces of ukraine the fact is that ukrainian unmanned boats, which the day before tried to attack the bay of sevastopol, you remember , we told you about this, we showed a frame, and they
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were destroyed on the outer roadstead by our armed forces. so these boats used a humanitarian corridor opened as part of a grain deal to export agricultural products from ukrainian ports, which means that these enemy drones were launched from odessa and they were going exactly along by the way, the ministry of defense reminded this grain corridor that similar routes were used by ukrainian strikes. pilots and a month ago on march 23, they also then tried to strike at the civilian infrastructure of the crimea and the base of the black sea fleet. well, here it must be recalled that because of the same actions of ukraine in the fall of the last 22 years. russia has already suspended its participation in the grain deal. however, after receiving a guarantee, this will never happen again. we have resumed our participation. here. remind me it's october 2022 sevastopol was then attacked by ukrainian drones both from the air and by water. here, you see two small unmanned boats
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, they tried to break into the bay of the city, using the same humanitarian sea corridor reserved for ships with grain , both of them were destroyed then and a few days later. after that, russia announced the suspension of participation in the grain deal, but then moscow received guarantees from turkey and written commitments from ukraine not to use the grain corridor for military operations against our country after that. the deal was renewed, but now, as we can see, now these guarantees do not work. after all , quickly scaring global hunger, if this does not happen. also, deliveries are at such a peak, as you know, now our country is chairing these un security, we then separately talk about the meeting , sergey lavrov arrived there, and here are the western journalists who worked there, but unlike ours, who were not allowed there, but that's what i mean. and here they are, this story of a grain deal is simple. well, like a hyphen, u they were not constantly
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attacking lavrov to demand some kind of information from him, but our minister of foreign affairs. they somehow pulled them up for the time being. the first attempt was made. when our minister went to meet the un secretary general, the grain deal is dead, a pretty dress, after the meeting with lavrova, reporters again attacked the russian diplomat. he was again a multiple of the grain deal. still alive after you met. do not cry. do not shout, the intrigue dragged on until lavrov himself told that the secretary general had handed him a letter for vladimir putin, now even they will study them on the development of the expansion of the grain deal, according to the minister, but moscow is waiting in the first place. replenishment by the west, committed to making deals. he gave us his thoughts in the form of a letter, which outlined the ideas on how to proceed further. of course, the letter is a study. uh, while we are like i said, and i honestly mentioned it to you in
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an interview well. we do not see until the desire of western countries to truly fulfill what is necessary for the successful implementation of initiatives? so, to be honest, well, in my opinion, we have not seen before how the intention of western countries to fulfill this deal, but there were some who told us that there was some inclination in this direction. i think there were some reasons, most likely these reasons. uh, some of our agreements with the turks, which have nothing at all to do with this grain, which africa has been waiting for and will be waiting for. so, georg or once again they began to give, if you agree with me, does this mean that these are some of our agreements with the turks. they've already, well, lost their meaning. well, in general, this fiction called the grain deal.
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you can forget, they can lose their meaning. they can change their meaning after the results of the presidential elections in turkey, that is, in the series it depends on their results whether erdogan wins and erdogan does not win in any case, and the grain deal becomes less important, less significant for turkey, the winner erdogan. so he won't be anymore. that is, the image of the great peacemaker for the turkish electorate will lose, so we are generally removed. i'm interested in us, look. ah, the first two problems, as they promised to lift sanctions on our fertilizers, agricultural products have not been lifted, that is, we are, as it were, this is one moment, the second they are using now i’m already leading, keep in mind ukraine is using these corridors in order to attack e our territory and why the mouse, too, we understand everything there. when did we conclude this grain deal. we understood perfectly well that, rather than being removed, most likely we know who we are dealing with and b that ukraine will use these corridors to attack ours.
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uh, our ships are in the village. we also knew who we were dealing with there. you absolutely correctly said that the meaning of this grain deal had nothing to do with ukraine, as such it was a deal with the turkish side. maybe with someone else, when we also think about excluding, if from these categories or not extending, but in addition to this , you must not forget that the grain deal is of great domestic political importance in the russian federation, you will need to somehow explain russian population against the background of the western partners' demonstrative unwillingness to fulfill their obligations against the background of the ukrainian country's demonstrative disregard for the fulfillment of its written obligations. on what basis will russia extend the deal, especially after the statement of the ministry of defense, which comes out, andrey does not need to say you need to go. let's do it, i think. yes, no one needs to twist anything. you just need to take into account the domestic political context.
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so let's victor form two countries, who are in favor of extending the grain deal, two countries important for russia are china and turkey. so, i see two reasons why potentially now to keep the grain deal. it is too early. it’s really very early yet, but there are some factors that can lead to this. the first and main factor is in the event of a successful or limited successful counteroffensive by the armed forces, the grain deal can be canceled depending on the operational situation at the front, and the second second moment - this is what he said, this is what he spoke about, gevor results results of elections in turkey if e succeeds, so erdogan will not be able to resist. that is, it’s as if nothing depends on us at all, because we are here like a piece of gold on a string, where they will tell where they go, they understand the decision of the chip , does she want to continue to participate in everything or not? yes, the main ones we
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still have not received any benefits. at least visible, i don't see it. i have poor eyesight. this is how it happened. why don’t you explain what benefits we have, not china , you know if russia leaves one of deals, then the west and not only the west will shout to the whole world every day that every starving child in africa is russia's fault , this is not true, but they will say so, and russia - this is not necessary, moreover, a number of partners in russia, and now, in what really rubbed russia in africa and in other countries they asked even before the conclusion of the grain deal that russia do this, countries that have good relations with russia are important for them and they get something putin said that we will take you grain like this in which problems willing to give for free. we are not allowed to make this grain. even this you understand means,
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if russia wants to give free grain to someone. maybe right now, no one can forbid grain from their reserves to give someone free of charge to grow ; of course, they can block grain carriers everywhere. no no no to insure the grain truck, which go understandably. extranam, so let's antonovich. you always talked about it there, i repeat, once again i was alone, thank you. god now people started to connect also, that it is not so easy to make everything out of one. and by the way, comments about internal political reality or political reality. it forms ema. unfortunately, the state, at least last year, lost its initiative on this topic and i won’t be able to convey it properly, and some especially gifted experts continue to talk nonsense about this grain deal, what to press on our weakness, and so on and so forth , see speak to him. it's not
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about him. so now essentially a grain deal. so that's what i was talking about grain deal agreement with ana-not. it extends much more widely than what is written in the documents by and large. in my opinion, because everything that is there along the line, it is just an argument for external content in order to put pressure on and agree on other things, that means. uh, firstly, a colleague has already been told that there are interests of turkey as well yes turkey of china and not only turkey of china it is interesting that you understand our interests in our world, you will give everything, natasha, they also take big risks, i am supplied, including there, when they organize some kind of parallel, import, and so on and so forth, for example, i just brought it up as one of me, that is, they are unofficial , of course, of course, turkey, for example, literally makes money on this. i mean, turkey's economy days wondering what i have so look. what a story such interests of all parties so thanks to which i bought a vacuum cleaner. i gave an example. yes, at
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a normal price, it's all thanks to a rough deal. it's not. you are laughing, but in fact actually, i'm not laughing. i just sergeyevich understand everything, in fact, moreover, now it is tied to the elections. i think you know grain finish as well. maybe if you lose a potential mess to break through. it all depends on the turkish country. what else to negotiate, right? right now yes, right now, my feeling on the grain deal is that it is now 50/50, because on the one hand there are great chances that there will be a grain deal, because this completely contradicts, because you just told us. you say that we get very many benefits not all of these benefits. yes, and now you're saying 50/50 that the skiff so means not so good, because i have a feeling that we want to achieve more, which means either to either guarantee, uh, those previous agreements that were before that they are an agreement. yes, i’m talking about 50 to 50. well, let’s talk about 50, because the skiff, of course, and
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all the argumentation also means, including along the line, on the defense, and 50 is because now i have the feeling that russia is putting pressure on trying to put pressure on and very important factor. remember the grain boycott now in poland ukrainian. yes, yes, yes, so for them it is also a disease, otherwise the story. it seems to me that now very serious diplomatic negotiations are underway, and this is not a matter of a letter at all. good you decide. or i can have my 50/50. although my interest rate will be slightly different, because if you look specifically at this deal, then it turns out that the strange history of russia fulfills the obligations that it assumes within the framework of this black sea initiative. and everything that was in russia one way or another, whether orally on this is all again, for now. as far as we can see from the public sphere , this is not being implemented. let's take a little more detail so far, sanctions on the export of russian agricultural products and fertilizers have not been lifted, and rosselkhozbank has not been returned to the swift bank transfer system. that's all. this had to be done,
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with the necessity of the deal itself. the west is justified by the fact that it needs to help starving africa without deliveries of africans from ukraine. waiting for the food crisis in fact. about half of all grain exported from ukraine ends up in eu countries a small part is shipped to china turkey a. here you continue to see the figure of 3% of only this grain goes to africa, that is, europeans. they simply buy cheap ukrainian grain; moreover, the west is blocking even free deliveries of russian grain to africa , which was also moscow’s condition, and not only africans, but also european farmers suffer, who simply cannot compete with cheap supplies from ukraine. in addition, moscow is sure that ukrainians use grain trucks for military purposes to obtain western weapons, as well as for the sale of weapons on the black market that the terms of the deal are not being fulfilled , we are talking this morning and presidential press secretary dmitry peskov despite the fact that so much time has passed, it has not yet been completed. it has not acquired a package character. those
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conditions that concerned us have not been implemented. therefore, while the circumstances do not add up in favor of this transaction , we continue to observe aleksey sergeevich , for example, in all intonations. yes, we do not renew the deal. and ukraine says no, we want to continue to supply grain and send grain carriers along the humanitarian corridor, as it were, already closed by us, to wash ships, how are we going to drown? what are we to do with them? those are non- renewable. so, what is next? well actually, this is the main question then suggests that we should really sink. e here, well , who are coming, but these starving. why roll a ship? can i agree, please, here. explain why to drown from here, in short, the grain deal is a very powerful and very important instrument of russia, i would call it generally an economic nuclear weapon, firstly, not everything is so bad, for example, on april 22, a dry cargo ship, a uralchem with twenty-two thousand tons of fertilizer and left the port of riga from the european , was arrested. i went out to kenya in order to
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transfer our fertilizers there accordingly. this part of the deal was a permit issued by ours. if there had been no grain deal, then they would have kept the european port. riga did not release a single case dmitry sergeevich peskov does not have a batch character. accordingly, we understand that there are some moments. they just need to be strengthened, why is the deal important for russia's first aspect - these are the economic aspects, we are now, in fact, holding the whole world hostage. here sergey lavrov is going on, and the grain deal, what, but the grain deal , that everyone is turning to russia for an extension of the deal, nothing depends on us, that the grain deal shows that we are not from goy to poke beautifully, no, to refuse this. this is their own tool, their own lever to pull out of their hands, the second is not available from other exporters. this is also a powerful tool. no need. don't need them to speak from don't need them give reasons, and deprive us of influence, the second is correct. and now this aspect
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is informational, indeed. it was rightly noted that more than half of the grain goes to european countries. and what does this mean, does this mean that european countries do not buy other grain and fucking africa can get it, that is, the market is still for two days grain, in any case, african countries are our allies, which we are now they benefit from this. so the rejection of the grain deal. it's a rejection of the well-heated. wait. we just have a rare visitor. i haven't seen him for a long time. why did you gobble up all the ukrainian grain, we are on a sled, we eat our own, i don’t know, i don’t know anything, everything is very ukrainian grain. a big problem is terribly pressing on the average european peasant who has 36 gars. yes, and any ukrainian economy has a knock at least a hundred times there in one unified field, then the meaning of the grain deal for western europe
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is the same as it was originally . , after e underwater these e was. will that be, well, it is clear, it will not be possible, how painful. i don't know if you are masochistic. uh, what do you think, that's quite right, he says, we'll cancel now. come on, give us what you promised and every time demand demand and achieve and not turn the chessboard, russia from the point of view of the west, e on on a corrective test, even on a grain deal, at any moment you thumbs up. and our western german politicians will gladly say that you are wrong. you are more inhuman alexander nikolaevich what are you amused by
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to sit very short actually, because i agree, and with victor, first of all, in the informational component of this all, but i would also pay attention. that's what the outcome of this deal is, in fact, it is a question of the opposition in russia in the black sea. for some reason , no one remembers this, that is, if russia refuses this deal. this means that it is weakening its positions, respectively , among those african countries where it is looking for these positions and provides an opportunity. uh, informational speculation if she continues this deal, it provides an opportunity. with the ukrainians, use this corridor for what they want to use, but in any case, if the leadership changes in turkey, then the issue of the black sea for russia, uh, will be very island. well, how will he stand,
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that they will block our influence on us. she loses her can be blocked there. forces, yes , i'm just trying to understand the solution, so, uh, is blocked, and the output of the grain. well, in connection with the military operation, the passage of e, the military sea, it is also determined by the strength of the russian fleet and the situation at the front and the fate of the grain are ready to break through the boss of the force. nobody knows if he will block the influence on the black sea and with normal partnerships with turkey, this influence can be ensured by other methods, in general the grain deal is important, it is bloated to a greater extent in information space, and therefore we have seen, because russia will suffer this deal, the image losses are not so big, and all this can be occupied
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enough. this wait elena vladimirovna let's get back to the fact that while there are several. it is impossible to have a prikaz union, and they said that they are not dying of hunger there, they still have not called. yes, because i said how we should act if we exit this grain deal, vanya , i wrote, this is not a very pleasant situation, because of which aleksey sergeevich and anton valerievich then quarreled, we pulled out of the deal. ukraine is sending its own dry-cargo corridor to the corridor, and which we are obliged to, it means to stop somehow, or there was a proposal here. do we want to stop them or not? such. and if we don't stop it, then the price is worthless to us, because then we will say that we have withdrawn from the deal. here, how are we going to act? here are the new negotiations. and then you don’t see some you don’t
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decide. if the deal still does not work in favor of russia, then the chances of its preservation, they are rapidly decreasing and here it is no longer 50 to 50. and probably somewhere around 30 to 70 30. it will remain, and 70 it will already die. and all the more so since everything is connected with the situation in turkey , the first round will be held there, at least the presidential one. parliamentary elections. in general, this deal was more beneficial for turkey as an intermediary, and i agree that for russia the benefits are not direct from this grain deal, but significant, yes. well, here we see straight lines, here they say, our guests, that there are some ships of ours with fertilizers. yes, many of its points do not work. it is quite possible that moscow will overturn this table and will literally be the first to negotiate new conditions. so let's be clear about it. e yourself report that if this was a deal, not russia is not profitable. russia would long ago no idiots upstairs tore her apart. the decision on
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the grain deal is made by the first persons of the state, and not by some kind of pegs. this is the first second came. yes, the second is about flooding. here, i'm not arguing. i just want to understand. i do not remember who means, respectively, last year. this is the first time blurted out with the information space. why is this repeating? why sink these bulk carriers? why when the husband was not captured? they are there options to arrest, take your say, stop deploy, that is, there are a million options for blocking. just for this really arrest and take the unfortunate americans. they do it, sort of. it didn’t sound, but the direct benefit from the grain deal in military-political terms is that if, before the grain deal, some ships would go to ukraine and back, respectively, uh, we would come on our own, stop blocking,
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arrest, deploy, and somehow inspection. it would be a scandal to the whole world, which means, ah-ah-ah-ah, what gives the grain deal, don't go there, you didn't have russian guarantees no security will lead his ship there. you know there is a question. if a grain-free deal, then the ship will go. what are you, yes, back and forth there is a big skakarys again. wherever they would have tried to climb there anyway. no, then again antonovich wait, you said that there would be three words already interrupted. again, now sometimes there is a legal one. i am a people's mechanism until i realized it did not cause this in the world. this is all from the same series that the platforms for negotiations should be on television, meaning by the hands of the turks by and large, including quietly,
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quietly by the hands of the turks, not the turks. so, firstly, if with these ships, something would happen on a regular basis, on a regular basis, 1-2 ships were captured, arrested , killed and unloaded, not a single insurance company would insure. this means that no one would go without insurance. not a single ship will go. uh, this is the first moment, as if these are obvious moments, the second moment is very important from the point of view of our mtr, it has a huge e, not only our strength, but also our readiness has a huge influence the readiness of our character to apply, that is our determination. if we really for some reason suspended. we pour in a grain deal and let these ships through , we don’t arrest them, we don’t drown them, we don’t take them away, it will be louder. yeah. therefore, if you need to play erdogan’s bluff, that is, you need to realize this brilliance. come on , then your bluff will be afraid in odessa , please, that somehow unexpectedly they all have
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we will start again with the statements of the russian ambassador in washington anatoly antonov, the united states is doing everything possible to again annoy our diplomats. this time they were not allowed to lay flowers at the monument at the rington cemetery, which is called the spirit of the elbe. actually. our diplomats were going to do this on the occasion of the seventy-eighth anniversary of the meeting of the soviet and american e, the troops on the elbe did not let them do this on the american side. the embassy simply banned the ceremony. it's getting harder and harder for us to get through to official washington about the importance of preserving memory and working together to perpetuating the heroes of those times, such an attitude is insulting not only for the veterans of the two countries, but also for everyone who remembers their great feat. well, the streets around the building of the russian depression were blocked the day before by both the police and the american secret service. all because of two suitcases found next to the creation of our embassy. here you
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see the blocked streets, and they even called bomb experts to the place, because it was not clear that there was some kind of bomb bomb there. in the end they didn't find it. but our embassy is in front of the secret service. americans are looking for provocations. in fact, they continued in the building of the united nations organization itself, which in russia was sentenced to 16 years for espionage. and here is my sister. in fact, she voiced the usual american theses about what a hostage means, and not all russian obvi. nenya is groundless. of course, russia violates international law in every possible way. russia took it all from him , a country that revels in its culture of lies and its tradition of hostage diplomacy. i am here today to tell the world community that one way to effectively multilateralism resist. those countries that resort to diplomacy as hostages. well, diverted attention. andrey, he did nothing of course masters from the performance of sergei hams. it seems to me that it did not work out, but the easiest way to judge this is by the amount, indeed,
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of the press. ah, and questions to our minister of foreign affairs, because, well, there are two big differences, as they would say in one city. ah, something is interesting , something does not cause interest. let's see how he managed to smear this impression from the performance of laurel. i think not succeeded, but, because he already spoke quite harshly. lavrov, as you well know. it can be so for the word in your pocket. he did not climb and expressions, especially not shy, because he had run over well. he spoke to the united states of their allies that they were imposing their own understanding of democracy on the whole world. if someone does not agree with this, then issues are resolved on the battlefield. well, of course, the phrase was quoted. but in general, everything is also clear to everyone what our minister of foreign affairs hinted at. well talking about what it is, in my opinion, we have already mentioned today that it is impossible for this western minority , again, to impose their point of view on the entire world community, but there was some criticism,
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and he and sergey lavrov said that hmm, of course, the reform of the united nations on sight we talked about it here a million times, let's listen. now. what point of view. that was voiced by our minister and we will try to find some rational way out here. let's call a spade a spade. no one allowed the western minority to speak for everything humanity. it is necessary to behave decently and respect all members of the international community, while imposing a rule-based, its authors arrogantly reject the key principles of being a sovereign equality state. here, well, and further. here he said that it is necessary to speed up the reforms of this security by expanding representation, and in it is the country of asia and africa of latin america. there is a lot more, of course, talk about moving. and our guests today spoke about this in advance. well let's do it. hmm viktor zhezovche
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still, some changes are possible. what about the work of the united nations regarding the move? no, because firstly, and if it is a country of the so-called global south. the united states has no motives. no, they have the right of the century and no relocation of the apartment staff. here it will not be carried out in another country without the permission of the security council, otherwise, and so on. and there it is true, there are a lot of countries that do not want to move from new york, they already have all the infrastructure there. concept to many there are a lot of countries, well, of course, they like to ride in it. i’m not only so that if in new york in this, it’s convenient that the representative office is already there, you don’t need anyone - you understand this is practically disadvantageous to anyone, it won’t be good, so well, that’s what lavrov offered, here are the countries of asia
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africa latin america russia and very convenient, by the way, the territory for americans americans also proposes reforms of the un security council, they also say that why is there no japan in the security council why is there no germany in the light of security why is there there are no more african countries in the security council, they also say this, you understand, and russia says this, hoping to turn on the light to make the color of the composition of the un security light more , let’s say , convenient for russia high probability most likely that there will simply be no significant changes in the structure of the un security council and russia and the united states and turkey and a number of other countries will talk a lot about this talk about it. this is very very good very comfortable rhetoric, but serious changes. hardly to look hardly united states of america er, ignores. he is where it is beneficial and convenient for them. yes? uh, new york - it's not the only stronghold
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for the un. we have, uh, vienna. we have geneva , where there are some separate bodies. i think that this can be solved with time not today. well , in the perspective of ten years, there is now, because in europe it also feels pressure in other matters that america already dominates, it still dominates almost can exhibit because they will be for 10 years someone. change your mind and decide to vote. let's move. why can't you utter a word about the northern currents. you beeped, quietly, and that's it. get a lot of states that are still on the anti-american path. er, india and china are some of the larger ones. i think that
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over time it can climb to the thieves. yes, that is, if i just think about the trend of the last decade, yes, that is, it has emerged well. and suddenly this is what has been outlined, this is really a serious thing then here is the plot that goes on and what you said is trying to blur impressions exactly like this on the russian example, and what they are doing now, in fact, the americans are trying in every possible way to insert the needles of our delegation into us. but do not let someone not give visas one way or another. it shows everything. actually, what is the sabotage that is happening around russia can continue around any country that the americans do not like. so this is our delegation headed by sergey lavrov for a long time could not get not only american visas to travel to the meeting, but also permission to fly a special board. documents for diplomats, as a result, issued at the last moment. and here are the journalists who were supposed to accompany the minister. they did not let in the calls of the russian side to influence the situation in the un remained unanswered. our foreign ministry considered that the united states was simply chickened out, but
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the americans have their own version of russian state media - these are propaganda organs. we believe it is important to uphold the freedom of the press , the independence of the press, which must freely do your work. on this washington, they did not calm down in the white house defiantly stated that a meeting of american officials with lavrov was not planned ; moreover, the american press writes that during the russian presidency of the security council, the united states decided to replace its permanent representative with diplomats of a lower rank anfisa, unfortunately, russia is a permanent member of the security council and there are no real ones. people's legal ways to change this situation is what we live with now, no matter how unpleasant to see russia as the chairman of the security council is a reality. such is moreover the officials of the american administration. now they are complaining to the press that russia is trying to troll the united states in the security council by manipulating facts, and the publication of the politician after them states that
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washington has not decided. how exactly to deal with russian influence on the international platform presidency of the council is an ideal tool for russia here it is either trying to convince other countries to support the war in ukraine or to avoid some kind of punishment. it's not an easy choice for washington, ignoring russia may lead to the uncontrolled spread of kremlin propaganda, but the discussion of this issue. it can draw even more attention to the russian point of view, elena vladimirovna, before the plot, began to say that we are not the first with whom they do this with the iranians , they did this for decades, in my opinion, they didn’t let it in for decades, well, for example, asian countries are also in the minds of those with whom this is they haven’t done it yet, but with whom they could do what they need, somehow change something. yes, the question of moving the un headquarters somewhere else has long been brewing and talking in the noise was not audible that this decision is made by the general assembly, and there is no right century. that is, as it were, an important
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decision on the charter of the united nations organization is decided by a simple majority and voted by the general assembly, and this is one of those issues that could be put to the vote of the general assembly there, uh, we will get it now. it seems to me that this will be a bargain under the carpet. yes, the bargaining will be very large, but imagine, for example, if donald trump once again spoke to moscow about that, in fact, he doesn’t care what will happen to the united ours organization, he doesn’t want to give money for the existence of this organization, and then the question. can decide for themselves. by itself, do you have a suggestion? here the united nations was offered to headquarter in europe to deal with that europe because the ussr because i agreed. yes, the soviet union feared that the united nations. well, i would rather agree that this move is unlikely, but definitely states, no matter how they are
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within itself, within this pool, the united states is dissatisfied, no matter how the united states forces them to make some decisions that they don’t really like, but nevertheless this objectively exists and this item objectively determines, forgive me this category, the level of civilization of the world, because everything the rest is chaos and anti-civilization, so all references to the common human are there to the fact that no one gave the us authority to decide there for the whole world and so on. it's not serious. not only that, this one is old, but he has the last statement also about points. uh, through which they look at the world there in general, he said that it is necessary to somehow rake up more to civilized countries. you all had the same glasses, they looked like my chinese, which means the visa issue is objective,
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the position and attitude towards russia that objectively exist in the last row. probably, this should be taken into account and proceeding from the fact that this attitude towards russia is correct, perhaps even the only one. right. maybe they have something not very good there themselves. i have to pay attention to it something. maybe they are doing well, but , nevertheless, all the countries of the so-called humanity and russia are so called, no less guided by the main countries, about which i spoke, it was so formed in relation to the right thing. this does not mean that it is impossible to examine these relations before looking aside, not civilized from your point of view. they, too, are reconsidering society in the opposite direction, if possible nikolaevich and others to say what he thinks when it
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comes to moving, he is the united states canada, in a civilized human and there is no civilization, they will simply say, they don’t move anywhere, you understand, and therefore create people among themselves, it’s just that russia china is still there a few dozen countries and sit somewhere in a castle. what does russia china mean among themselves? let's wait, wait back. how do you know? that's the only one here its the only one who's here right? this rock, it will be such a bargain, too, there will not be an organ yet. why is there no sure that india did not agree there? i wanted to american then why don't i have them called there? sorry, we wanted to yes , your relationship is the most interesting oksana nikolayevich , because you divide humanity into civilized and
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uncivilized uncivilized. i know your point of view, you refer not only to us, but also to the chinese, which you are definitely africans. let's organize from the apartment. it should be one of the key ones even during the russian presidency. and now it is unlikely to be happy for a second. here it is this situation, where the process itself is beneficial to us , not only to the benefit of us, but also the process itself. naturally, i do not agree with the statement of our foreign ministry that it could be vienna or geneva . a number of conditions. and for example, here is a global between this country, you can take, please, serious things. you don't understand to listen to an adult. uncle, he will explain to you, it should not be pekinni, new del, for obvious reasons, it can be brazil units.
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could be revo de janeiro, but there is crime and so on, therefore, it is necessary to go to brazil brazil and i mean, it’s a bit far, after all , rio is good, but there crime is good madagascar, this will need to be officially for you. pyongyang will go, which means talking about it. if we propose a serious , serious state, there will be a vote in the general assembly, where 2/3 is for sure. i read this morning or i don't remember last night that the cape tam brix summit this year will consider the application of 19 additional states. i don't know, i'm the first time this figure 19. i know here about saudi arabia. it is a membership or an observer. no, they want, as it were , to come there again like this. there is, please, at some final stage, if a vote in the security council is required. he, although, it seems, the charter
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does not provide for this. but you never know the question of the headquarters has not been raised before, and the americans will somehow fix it so we, all the more we will remain in the kings. it turns out that the united states interfered with the queue then, firstly, thanks to naberezhnye chelny. the gift was given. here it is written 10 minutes brightly, there is brighter than the moon yes, i, too, of everyone in the world. yaron. so, as for the polyglot in the studio. yes, i could even calmly quote it, i don’t know the language, because it’s a huge banner, it’s obvious that nothing bad is written there. i love it is written there, so, uh. i love you too, so, uh, it says there. i love oh city. go on. let's promised left about hairpins. hairpins sinoviche, logic. america, the americans are sitting , they understand that they will now have lavrov to collect the traitors, he is in place, they need some kind of company. let's not let these people in, let's do it. let's sister
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half whelan take it seriously. no need. they really are like problems, the second shelf about the move, which means that in general a new feature. here, look, what is beneficial for us now was before, like one country, one vote. yes, paul, let's pause, and then we will change the subject, of course, this one opens unexpectedly. fantastic shopping door any purchases in installments for 10 months and cashback, but 10% on april 30th grand incredible finale of season 4 of the mask hall live all masks will be removed and we finally know the name of the winner. don't miss it, it will be an unforgettable mask final april 30, 20:20 on ntv, the main premiere of the year,
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on our website. lemax.ru is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we continue. i said that's how things are going before the circumstances, which is very unexpected. well, at least for me, a topic for conversation. and if you pay attention, our seating arrangements for guests are also a little unusual for you, because irina yuryevna , whom we are used to seeing. here is to my right. she is now on this side of the studio is marina nikolaev on the contrary. may fourteenth itself and the state city palace of culture in khabarovsk on the seventeenth of may advance coins. as i understand it, something has already dripped there, yes, biden's grandfather, she announced her intention to move forward. freedom that's what my first term job was to fight for our democracy. when i took office, i
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said that we were fighting for america's soul and we were still fighting it for all of us for years to come. will we have more or less freedom such tearful music just read that kabbalah harris uh, hopes that he still does not live to see the expiration date. she will finally become president, which is probably why she is not possible in this video. so, as it were, and the republicans responded, and they actually launched a special site in response to a video called the biden fact check to check in real time what the president of the united states will say in all his public speeches. how much of his policy is a disaster? fa na yes, i think everyone now looks at this country and says that everything should have been better biden, not only created a crisis for
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crises, but also took on the damage he had done to the us and how his family was compromised. here, at the start of the election race in the united states, what can be called a purge of the ranks on television began. this may be, of course, a high-sounding word, but be the first to judge. without explanation , they fired a person to whom we quote quite often. this is tucker carlson, he worked for fox news, he had an evening show that collected huge ratings. one of the most watchable programs and news out there is immediately brought down the shares of the channel itself. that's about a billion. he lost on the stock exchange. but that's not all nasin, too, purges kicked out a well-known presenter from there, who has worked for 17 years, his name is donalman. and what’s more, lemon himself admitted that he learned about our dismissal from the news, none of the channel’s management told him anything in advance, i don’t know why mr. ki should be remembered. the run which we quoted a few minutes ago went through, in which she spoke about the necessity. e observance of freedom of the press,
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so that the independent press continues its work, but in general, andrey vladimirovich 11 was fired one at a time listen no, but carlson , of course, will be cooler, but they don’t know, but we know that when carlson flies, he promises to return. let's wait. ah, now somehow these hihonki hakhanki should be put aside. it means, what kind of topic, not unexpectedly, we have a topic, it is connected with diseases. and which, in general, we all forgot, we now had a very heated argument about the title and e by our colleagues from the program management about the correctness accents in the word whooping cough. so. hey, where did you look? well, there it is shock word stress. everyone says how hard it is for me to produce it. i, too, because i kind of have whooping cough, i know, although in fact, i don’t know, i know the word about this disease. we kind of forgot a long time ago. we kind of forgot about the root of polio a long time ago. and now,
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if you look at what our media is reporting, you will see that all these diseases have somehow suddenly returned. let's take a look first plot slowly. we will understand this new unpleasant story. at the end of last week, the head of rospotrebnadzor anna popova said that in the case of measles, a difficult situation was already registered in half of the regions of russia in the novosibirsk region, where i am now conducting emergency vaccinations, problems are also in yekaterinburg and st. to the capital, a three-week lockdown was introduced at the university of oil and gas students. transferred to remote control enough to stay in touch with a person who is excreting this virus or go into the room where he was before. well, sick patient. we'll call it 2 hours. later. this is the virus we have circulating in the air in
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the environment, despite efforts. medical disease spreads across the country, the virus is transmitted by airborne droplets, it is very contagious from the herd, the clockers get sick 95 measles causes complications, but if in adults the disease is difficult, but there are chances. they are great for recovery, but children often cannot be saved every second child in at the age of 5, who fell ill with measles, died from this infection, this already speaks of the relevance of this infection, complications - this is first of all. uh, complications of pneumonia are damage to the central nervous system. meningeal encephalitis. encephalitis. this is a severe purulent necrotic process, along with poliomyelitis, which seems to have been defeated in the last century, has returned to russia by five. now in the north caucasus, in dagestan, ingushetia, karachay-cherkessia, in chechnya , two dozen cases were recorded in dagestan alone last month. islands of flaccid paralysis, after which
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children began to be vaccinated on a mass scale in the republic. after all, vaccination. it's the only way to not get sick. but it protects against measles curves of pneumonia, which are not treated with anti-viral drugs. no, that is, there is nothing to treat. you can symptomatically bring down the temperature back already. sent to the archive of the disease happened before in the mid-eighties in the soviet union, an epidemic of diphtheria broke out, which was considered defeated back in the seventy-fifth year as the cause of the outbreak then called the mass refusal of citizens from vaccination , the percentage vaccinated against diphtheria was below 70 and herd immunity came to an end at the peak of the incidence, more than 40,000 people fell ill, and more than a thousand died in the last outbreak. we literally died on the road. first, a little sore throat, then a little at times. no vaccine is 100% protective. some good ones protect by 97% , some protect by 80, this is enough. if everyone appeared, but if we still have
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people who do not flow. collective more immunity. here i am 55. yes, this year i will be, so they instilled, apparently, from everything there in childhood. i just don't remember asking, not asking, well, listen, i trained on my own only for coronavirus, but i also got a flu shot there a couple of times. well, polio is there, measles, it's all some kind of deep childhood , right. you say one of the reasons for refusal to vaccinate. i want to understand here. you mean, some individual history of each citizen, or is it the state itself that has stopped doing these vaccinations, because it didn't seem necessary. this is an individual story, individual stories, yes, because no one refused these vaccinations. that's it, that's it, please, everything is there, but the answer to this will be that here. well, there are no such big epidemics yet, but there are some outbreaks in some specific cities. well, maybe in moscow there might be somewhere else to say, but for
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big epidemics they give. if you do not continue to vaccinate, then it will not come right away, because after all, if we vaccinate, there 90%, this will prevent, uh, such epidemics as they were 100 years ago. there won’t be such a catastrophe with horror, but why do we need these hundreds of sick people, why do we need these units of the dead, if it ’s someone’s child, then i’m like, i understand, when people were afraid, uh, vaccinations against coronavirus because new diseases were arguing there. well, it's like it 's been known for a long time. why then refuses here? so let's, i can comment, firstly said. unfortunately, frank nonsense that the five-year plan at the age of five, half of the children are dying and we all remember perfectly measles outbreaks, and you know too, yes, what is lethal from really there? and this is nonsense , well, unfortunately, yes, objectively so there are medical sciences vladimir timchenko talked about what was once, he did not say that she was not dying. he said
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that every second child. this never happened, never, never, colleagues confirm to the americans every second century, no statistics were kept, but i don’t know what kind of temporary it is gap. uh, take the 20th century, it will be enough for us, because at the beginning of the 20th century there were no acceptances, so this is where to start? and the fact that every second one somehow reduces the value, they didn’t die politically, babies die if the mother hasn’t been ill, naturally, before the birth of the child, and those people who have measles as an adult or in the elderly die. these are also the ones that looked like now, say why, that is, it does not need to be vaccinated, i perceive you correctly lead, here on this i will say that i personally will weigh these two positions, which i just said and the most important. why did japan in 1993 cataly refuse
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measles vaccinations? yes, because they looked at the side effect. thanks a lot. let's get sick. there are several people there, as a colleague said, but, unfortunately, someone will be with us in japan, we remembered, we will now sum up two, probably, one of them just concerns japan, when there are people, and which ones , anti-vaxxers, but those who promote by weigh? a? let 's see, and so on, they quite successfully use the not always correct state experience as a big good argument. let's see, then, in the mid -seventies, japan abandoned the whooping cough vaccine. i'll speak the old way. after several children died from the side effects of this vaccination , the japanese authorities later resumed vaccination of many residents. however, due to fears they refused to bring children, the situation changed only in 81, when the country a new and already safe vaccine appeared, but in 7 years of refusing vaccination, the incidence of whooping cough in japan increased 9 times, and in 1998 this is already a different case, and
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on gastroenterologist andrew wakefield, uh, there was his article in the lancet magazine, where he argued that the measles, rubella and mumps vaccine causes autism. in children , the theory of this mr. wakefield went to the masses and led to a real panic among the parents. eventually. they around the world have stopped massively vaccinating children. however, to prove this hypothesis of the doctor some other scientists who checked it could not, the lancet magazine pointedly removed the publication, deleted it, and left all its sources. yes, later they were accused of deliberately fabricating their work for the sake of a company producing tests for the virus and deprived of the license of a doctor sergeevich, here are two examples , again, one is just a man of all beautiful. frightened another example of the state did not behave quite correctly. it still remembers that you remember, and in japan and so on, in the hands of anti-vaccinators or people who do not want to be called antiviruses, but in fact
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such arguments are not. and well, this is very bad, but in fact it really leads to an epidemic, and here it’s not only anti-vaccinators, just public activists, so to speak, those people who are not connected with medicine. unfortunately, some doctors advised not to vaccinate, and in this, in my opinion, even we discussed in this studio that they need to withdraw their diplomas and disqualify them, we did not discuss it that way. it was one of the proposals that naturally, therefore, in this respect and in regarding the root and other infections, where the effectiveness in everything has been proven. she showed the time. uh, you have to be very strict about this here. this is the first moment, the second moment is the scientist. there are ph.d. candidates who deal with these issues and do not always state these problems conclusively. here , too, we need our, at least,
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all-russian association vacuum commissions. yes, you can't even think about it. you will introduce this dispute from the plane of such a professional professional scientific, what to do, yes, how would be in the household yes, what do not doctors think, but colleagues, i want to remind you that the peak of mortality worldwide in the twenty-second year fell on this summer and in january of this year. one of the doctors of the institute. sechin explained this by the fact that mortality was due in our country to the lack of revaccination, in other words, people who were vaccinated died, so the big question is qualification. once again, i got vaccinated. i'm alive shareholders. andrey ivanovich twice two alive. yes, one more time. so people were vaccinated and they died. all equally the cause is called the institution. sechin's absence is revolutionary. and if
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you get away from the coronavirus, because the coronavirus is quite recent stories here. and they go. but to return. and here comes back. oh yes, let's, what do you say about the root, this is also all bad. i or not will pass the word. and you have well done so we will write it down. and let's talk about this one, which means the ukrainian outbreak. yes, so we call it, there are 50,000 50,000 you will fill up 15 dead and conducted a study that these are people who died not from measles, aces, bark. there is more means, uh opinion professor, whose vorobyov got vorobyov from a doctor of sciences, who says that yes, it’s not necessary from the brightest anti-vaccinationists in general, right? come on, let's go to the studio without uh labels. well, what is it? for example, well done socks. although i don’t know how vaccinated there are in me, well, by and large. i did not consider that, most likely, so to speak, the unconscious age.
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for example, they grafted me there and nothing really alive. what does skeptical mean? well, you said, here are the prices, with whom a skeptical look, in general, it is actually useful to say so it’s very melting that today here is the calendar that exists , yes, and once every 6 years, and only two vaccinations up to a year and, uh, at 6 years yes, they are vaccinations, but he does not exempt. here come this about the ferret, i 'm talking now, now it means further, if this one does not continue to be vaccinated, and we do not do this every six years. he only gives with this immunity for 6 years, then we get it. uh, a generation of people with no immunity. that is, if you say it wrong for a second, you will have strong immunity. after that the doctor by education, immunity, dear doctors of mathematics by education, please, you are aware, let's be good, yes? let
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's agree to say, well, if we don't do this every six years, and we don't do it every six years. on nonsense please explain china hi we listened to you your opponents strongly disagree with you. let's continue with him, marina nikolaevna borisovich, i know half a family of mathematics by education is exactly the same. they say that the same anti-vaccination people and their legends are the same for them in terms of math chloid. all this is spreading and they are based on the fact that they consider themselves smarter than everyone, because they understand this damn mathematics well. as a result, they infect a huge number of humanitarians with their idea that since i am such a smart mathematician, then in no case will we discuss ideas for weeks, go to the morgue at least once. look at how people, and who choked from blood and died two years ago, decided
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to suffocate, this is to sit. like this. take it. and now, if i understand correctly, you can't have your own child. vaccinate, i can't vaccinate his brother, this is not my child. this is his father's child. well, that is, well, i understood, well, okay, my son’s half-brother and, accordingly, we all together we can’t show him, because he has a severe form of cerebral palsy for such children, and as well as for a huge number of categories of the population of people with a defect hearts, congenital, they are not allowed; then they undergo surgery at 2 months, but they cannot be vaccinated and another 20 years. at the same time , it is critical that there are vaccinated children around, because otherwise they are not vaccinated. children put your child around our child, but even for example people who go, that is, nastya the child do not go to school. you can go, never to school. he will always be at home, therefore, and he can get sick. with you easy
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form, you know? we also hear it differently and endure it differently. yes, please, please, so, well, there are a huge number of children with the same heart disease , which they cannot go to school, they even do a little physical education and do it, but they cannot be vaccinated, and these are all children, parents, whose most smart think, but we are perfectly healthy, therefore i will not endanger him and he will not bring this healthy child. this outwardly healthy child will simply kill him, because whooping cough is a dangerous disease that causes measles. if you take a shower, just like that, if you wash yourself , then 50% mortality will be very good alexander nikolaevich yes, stupidity. yes, not repeated climbed by colleagues that it was said was stupidity. all right, stupidity. yes, completely separate us, i have not heard this. here is the number that i remember in spain for 100 years ago, each year only 5,000 children died. that's right. that's the number. that's right 5.000 -
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this means that for the russian population of 10-15.000 the medicine was bad. now only five social-household would die. the conditions were terrible. yes, they were terrible now there will be 5,000 elect they said 5,000 how few children. why pity them. let's just understand. here we have a discussion. it goes somehow so a little bit unorganized quality. no, but because it turns out that the parties, but operate on yes, the data that they consider correct, but opponents argue that these data are absolutely wrong. well, listen, yes, how many times has the word nonsense been said. and we can somehow yeltsinovich. i want you to somehow here is the order in this sense is not in our conversation. in general, we can somehow this dispute, which indeed we have turned into one of the most important disputes of our time about vaccinations. how to formalize it? you know, i think that the same miniature situation is happening here at the studio
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that is happening in our country. all in all yes, there are many different opinions and each opinion is backed up, the opinion of the doctor and the patient with their own facts, and here it turns out that the doctor and doctor number two consider the patient differently. one patient, two count according to different compatriots, and according to history. you can also watch, but at the expense of informing citizens. that is, we inform about what may be , what is the danger, but we do not provide information, respectively, on the development of the use of vaccinations, respectively, their long-term perspective, and so on. and uh. i think it should be done not uh leaders public opinion. yes, either social networks, please, you. uh, just what we wanted to talk about. eh, in the next part touched on. here right now. let's inform you about it. roving how it should happen and how it happens, in fact, in just a few minutes, we
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, there is the strength of their specialty of education or something absorbed. that is, it just speaks of the importance of informing that yury alexandrovich began to say that we stopped him then in order to go to advertising now, we will probably return it, because i want us to see how this information is basically going on here. well, i'm like sorry as a person who deals with health? i don't i want no vaccine. why do i need a vaccine if i'm taking care of my health? well let someone do it. i don't mind, but taking those vaccines from someone who talks about population decline. i think it seems to me, i need to think twice. i tell the girls about my successful experience, i have three, and there are three ministerial births and three babies that i raise in an absolutely natural way without uh, there were no medical or medicinal interventions there. we decided to go to the kindergarten, but it was not there that the kids came, some of the vaccinations came. i understood there and we cannot walk for 60 days because we
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have a risk of infection. to be honest, i'm shocked. why such a big gap. and why is it so strict now, if no one paid attention to it before, we have been calling for more than a year now, all these people, the samples that you saw now on the video are signs to recognize what they are doing as extremism, because it seems to many that pure water is such an extreme spread and propagandists, but despite the public outcry that the regular topic is raised, after all, parliament state duma nothing of this happens. why let's see? at the beginning of this year, tatyana solomatina, deputy chairman of the state duma committee on health protection, said that people who advocate refusal of vaccination can be recognized as extremists , according to her, such ideas can affect the health of citizens and be aimed at reducing the population of russia, though. later , the deputy apologized for her words, saying whether to be vaccinated or not is a purely personal matter.
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talking to journalists on the run, perhaps somewhere i could speak out too harshly, but i i am definitely sure that it divides people according to the principle, and even more so , it is impossible to write down someone as an extremist in any case, and i will never do this to equate anti-vaxxers who advertise their beliefs. not so long ago , a senator in the federation council at the height of the coronavirus pandemic, vladimir krugly , called on extremists to take a closer look at anti-baxer bloggers who deliberately lie to their subscribers and distribute from morning to night, and do not specifically aggregate. uh, this news broadcast broadcast all sorts of viral mailings. i think that it is precisely such uh, such uh, source ones that need to take tough measures, it is very dangerous for them. dangerous for the state. this is no less dangerous than a similar call to extremism. state duma deputy rifat sheikhuddinov also began
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to say that if a person publicly calls for refusing to be vaccinated, then he is no better than an extremist. 5 years of deprivation freedom in 2021 in russia opened more than 20 similar criminal cases alexander well, we stopped you. actually the most interesting. here you need to be tougher. no, you just said you shouldn't. here you have their crowbars in quotation marks. yes, they were named by the leaders of public opinion. and how are you? how do you ensure that this information is provided exclusively by specialists, when we have specialists, they also cannot find a common opinion, but it is probably important to note that i am not talking about the abolition of freedom of speech. i'm talking about qualifications. yes, many of those present here have certain qualifications, but do not have permanent experience. works with this direction. i believe that the e niche that was supposed to inform
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citizens, in general, on all questions related to this topic, a should have been occupied by professionals. and these are the sources of information. let's call it that in social networks, they should have broadcast exactly this information, and not pull it from themselves. that is what is important to note here. next we always have someone else's division like this information, if not money from yourself, the trans-siberian railway, yes, uh, there is a division according to the law . uh, let's just say speculation, but there is uh, false unreliable information, yes and uh, here and just the line is happening, first of all , you need to weed out those who violate the law violate the law in terms of the administrative code. we have fines up to 400,000 rubles. so that we show the very first. boris borisovich really likes her, he sighs to everyone when he looks at her here in the studio. here she says, why do i need a vaccine if i'm doing it,
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health on their own? uh-huh well, the logic that is not subject to me, but nonetheless. it’s like she doesn’t violate any law , but at the same time she has a huge audience and they believe. but what are you doing to her present this, how the question of answering her is being worked out in the information field. i believe that this is, but beyond the bounds of responsibility within the framework. and yes, criminal administrative codes. but as soon as you set up a dialogue with her and bring her to the words that she is on some experience or something, having studied it, she will give an unreliable information. here is an administrative article of an administrative offense. here. we have recently adopted a law on the ban. lgbt propaganda. yes. here, accordingly, something is written there, there you propagandize. it means that violating the law there are already fines for lgbt people, if a person deliberately promotes the refusal of vaccination, the corresponding
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administrative article said the criminal code, you demonstrated the criminal code. yes two articles of the criminal code. i want to draw your attention to the fact that these articles are deliberately false information, that is, when a person knew that he knew it was a lie, but nevertheless spoke about it, this information is overlapped by the administrative code correctly, and in this case it disappears with the criminal code, knowingly to lie. maybe a person from that side and stop. and by the way, from the side so to speak. sorry for the previous ones. the interests of finance, will get you swerved. still, the company is directly in the articles to you. here there are not your personal beliefs there, and your child entered, in relation to which you accept decision, and there is here propaganda propaganda dangerous for the state, as the state considers misleading regarding medical histories. i just remember that you, as
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a public figure, when you see propaganda of something bad. you always e forward with good forward. why are you not with these people? uh, i will turn to the documents of the world health organization anti-russian resolution, yes, and generally speaking, they are pursuing a strange policy towards states, and the state of all nato countries they care about our health, so that everything is clear. yes, all countries are included. so now i have concluded with google, our agreement that the so-called infudemia will not slip into any of your materials. you are now just the term introduced by the wax that you have your own opinion about some. uh, so there are illnesses and so on. and the wagon says no. he has the exclusive right to do so. sorry, we have to leave this organization and the discussion will change to 180 °, i assure you understand here, because that's all you are talking about now, but sf is long.
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let's put it this way when thought, when one person says that he calls on everyone. e to use their fifth point for certain purposes. this is propaganda and we are fighting this according to the law. yes, and the other person says that the fifth point. uh, including can not be used in order to vaccinate it. this is propaganda. this is a human right. wait wait. why does this translate everything? what's there? please wait. well, it's an interesting topic to use somehow. wait for me to dispose of your own point. sorry opposite. natural right, which leads to extinction and degradation. stop. stop. stop, yes, i objected to you brother-in-law. well listen, what do you want? wait for you, that when you give an injection to
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your point. wonderful. this also leads to death, because the inoculation is harmful. what's the difference? we are talking about this and that case and that case is a very bad propagandist, right. therefore, it is also wrong to say that it is also wrong to ban vaccination. i'm sorry you said you make a free choice a free man. you make a free choice, otherwise whatever you say, you are here. it is necessary to completely resolve everything, when a person is not asked for cattle, they do not ask, but a person is asked if he needs a vaccination or not. whether this one wants to carry it or not. watch when we discuss. whether democracy is needed in russia or not, we can discuss this for years, when, by the way, we discuss the issue of lgbt propaganda here, we can also discuss this for years, they immediately pass laws. and when we discuss whether it is possible for a person to somehow commit roskomnadzor, this is journalists, there is such
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a term when people kill themselves is prohibited, generally mention. in general, all this was encrypted, what is forbidden to people is discussed by journalists. it's here that you can not specify uh propaganda and a crime against a person is the prevention of crimes against a person the criminal code. we are forbidden to kill people and informs. what sanction will come in case of killing people, when you promote vaccinations, you are involved, well, as it were , literally, large-scale crimes of the individual. you probably meant to say anti-welcome when you advocate non-vaccination. wait, that's it attitude towards anti-vaxxers in the legislation. and yes, they must be. that
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's specially i think, let them think, experts, whatever there are specialists who believe that euthanasia. it was also specialists, as if like this, let's give specialists, my friends, in full position about me. er, i just want to ask a question. and why is it possible propaganda is not sure until the end of the vaccine in schools and mr. for a while we fought successfully and it seems like how to defeat them about anti-vaccination propaganda. and i 'm talking about reverse propaganda. why then why then if our generation grew up healthy and somehow didn’t suffer too much. why do we also oppose these vaccinations for another moment. and we were born in the same state. today. we live in another state of states with absolutely different values, then the value of a person was his health. today , the extraction of profit now, it
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seems to me, is changing a little, and not yet, therefore, i do not rule out that the purpose of introducing the accent is to make a profit; that in the lower soviet union they introduced vaccinations without asking. there was also a profit study. yes, yes, i'll tear out the microphone to pull out well, but russia is bad. well, like before, maybe, but yes. there is such an opinion about a certain group of citizens, you know, it coincided. here is your broadcast today with the date today april 25th. uh, the birthday of vladimirovich zhirinovsky is 70 years old, 77 years old, he would have turned 77 years old today, and just during the covid period he was an ardent promoter of vaccinations a lot. we received negativity as the ldpr party in this regard, but he cared about people, and he knew about people that we would lose certain ratings. well, i didn't know there were a lot of people. let's be frank, when zhirinovsky died, very many. look, how many
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the country, the wording is such a familiar european one, uh , their activities are incompatible with their diplomatic status, this was stated by the minister of foreign affairs of sweden, but, probably, we should expect some kind of response from sides. and russia usually follows. uh, mirror measures. well, now we can andrey vladimirovich back back back. that is, again there was a dispute. i am reporting to you , dear viewers, what you do not see in commercial breaks. so, either sergey dmitrievich yudin argued yuryevna with a bet that sergey mich and others like him were broadcasting the vozov agenda, that is, such a politically harmful one. i say anti-state position. she says. yes , of course, then we will give you another example now, and then i will be alexander nikolaevich, uh, i'll ask you. you know that one of the most famous active participants in the anti-vaccination movement, maria vasilievna shukshina, is a person who directly stands for state positions. yes, she is an honored artist of russia, she
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was awarded a cavalier. i don’t know, you can say that to a woman, she was awarded medals of merit, and before the fatherland of the first and second degrees. and so. uh, if we remember, uh, this covid company constantly made various statements that cannot be vaccinated. well, actually. let's take one of her most famous statements. now let's remember. i will not be vaccinated and my children will not be vaccinated either, because i know too much about this vaccine. eh, that's why no. no, of course, i don't trust this vaccine, in fact, that's all. everything was said in the prophecies about this vaccine. are you afraid of the sainted mountaineer, everything has been said, about this i am an enemy to myself. i don’t want alexander, an authoritative person, quietly, quietly, quietly, there's a lot of the actress's favorite person, uh,
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a believer. yes, he refers to the startsevskys and so on and so on to you as a physician. does it help or does it hurt? well, of course, it hurts, let's start with the fact that i'm a virologist. i probably know more vaccines than you. i think so, and i dress differently. although, yes, i know, and what are the good ones and yes, vaccines have such moments that need to be discussed, but on average. i know what i do for myself, for my children, i make a choice to be vaccinated. this time so the second. uh, there's a scientific discussion. right here, when there was a commercial break. we discussed science. somewhere a fight will start. no, no. no, it won't start between doctors, because in the end we come to some facts, which, firstly , in order to somehow have facts, yes, which need to be discussed and calculated. this is a completely normal process, but when a decision has already
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been made, it cannot be discussed, and it cannot be discussed in society. there are taxes you like taxes. well, how, like any person doesn’t really want to, of course, you can do it it would have been somehow without them yes, but we all pay, and we do not ask what you have to pay, then before the law. and this is really your way too. just confirmation is not allowed. taxes pay payment. and that's it. they just automatically deduct them from you. vaccination is to some extent a tax, because you bear the risks of not welcoming the tax. harm, brings physical harm, and inoculation. maybe money is physical harm you won't do yourself. there is some kind of procedure, of course, you will buy cheap food, but not expensive. uh, will physical harm. it is easy to reduce this to a physical series, but, yes, vaccination also carries some risks, even this temperature rise in the evening. yes, who likes it, but it's like a tax, but still what to do? that's what then, here's maria shukshina e , this one shouldn't speak publicly. and
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you understand, if she spoke arguments that there is such a statistic on this statistic. i, uh, have some doubts. yes , this can be discussed, because there are other statistics. and when i have such beliefs that i will not be vaccinated, well, this problem is also expected. what you are sitting in, you tell everything very convincingly. you are a doctor with regalia, titles, whom they see , and here is maria shukshina who operates. uh, according to the saint and everyone will believe it, they will tell you with all due respect. e to you know after leave flower elders alone. i know you, here we are, yes, all this time, the glory of fear and doubt is actually that, well, please, yes, but the terrible words of the speaker on the screen were that i know what kind of shares i there they know everything, and behold this is just, uh, and involvement, that is, people who have doubts, from whom they want
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to twist the information. endpoints to decide if he wants to get vaccinated, doesn’t want to hear his idol, who actually doesn’t understand this vaccine, and accordingly thinks, yeah , since he knows, then he shouldn’t do it, and i will repeat it again. but with regard to these words. i think that this should not be allowed. and this needs to be blocked in the legal field. this is the second time to flood the entire information space and its offline space with explanatory uh, explanatory posters for information were very common. you. remember that in the soviet union and vaccines have always passed, the doctor explains to you that they even make cartoons that he was afraid of vaccinations, but now there are more questions and therefore there are questions now, i doubt and the reaction of the doubters is trying to do this, but in fact somehow grab to give. that's what it's called. let's
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for murder just like it is propaganda for suicide. and there is exactly the same as propaganda in principle, a violation of the law. this should be punished by conformity as well as suicide propaganda. i think that this movement, unfortunately, is a natural reaction to the happiness of society to colossal pressure to colossal pressure. sergei mitch, well, this discussion is aimed at the idea that we in the ldpr faction will still propose a bill. e changes in the administrative code on the prohibition of anti-propaganda of vaccinations and some kind of fine must be therefore here, let each person decide for himself, but promote this topic. i don't think it's worth it. i'm talking about vaccinations, but in fact, without vaccinations, when i was small around me everyone smoked, smoked a folder, grandfather, smoked, guys, in the yard they also got such cigarettes from somewhere. it was the nineties and cigarette ads were everywhere. she was
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on tv. social networks were not yet. she had all kinds of magazines newspapers - it's a magazine on tv. there were some videos, however, then the ads were removed. so it turned out that there were much fewer people around me. here, maybe we're from an anti-vaccine story so try a person who continues to smoke people. yes, sorry, i'm already talking about anti-pressure, like thought. or maybe you 'll try to do so with antibiotics. let's not just promote it, and the choice will be discussed today. there is no reason. and where did you see the anti-vaccination advertisement, what we showed bonya and so on andrey vladimirovich please, okay, listen to something medical, carefully listen to the nuances there. i understand that this is the first time you passed a pcr test today. yes, how did you guess? well, darling, this is called professional experience, but it's understandable. doctor i can already dress, of course, of course. it
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