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[000:00:00;00] on the offensive of sweden in nato that the western partners promised the re-elected turkish president in return it is important that turkey have f-16 fighters the power of the dragon the chinese destroyer drove the american warship off the coast of taiwan how washington will respond now, see right now. hello , is this the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey nokin. my colleague ivan trushkin is working live. and we will start today with a statement from the russian ministry of defense, which describes the details of the events, taking place on the eve of sunday 4 june. you probably already, well, at least partially heard something like that, and the statement of the ministry of defense, or maybe, already watched the speech of generala kanashenkov. our military department reported
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that yesterday the enemy attempted a large-scale offensive. here is the wording, according to the data of our ministry of defense, active operations of the armed forces began in five sectors of the front in the south donetsk direction. now i will give the details, if anyone else is not in the know, so the published footage of the destruction of the combat equipment of the armed forces of ukraine in these sectors of the front. footage filmed by drones. it's visible here. according to the russian ministry of defense, six mechanized and two tank battalions of the armed forces participated in the offensive in the battle of ukrainian equipment moving across the field. they tried to break through the defenses on the front, as they considered the most vulnerable. that was their value judgment, our ministry of defense declares that the enemy did not achieve the goal. he suffered heavy losses as a result of skillful and competent actions.
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the losses of the eastern group of forces of the armed forces of ukraine amounted to more than 250 personnel, 16 tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, 21 armored fighting vehicles. the commander of the united group of troops, the chief of the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation, general of the army gerasimov, during this period was at one of the advanced command posts in this direction , the situation in the zaporozhye direction also escalated, as vladimir rogov told you, our viewers are well aware of. he often comes to our studio. this is a member of the main council of the zaporozhye administration. so, he said that the armed forces of ukraine are now trying to break through the front line on the so-called vremya ledge. let's see on the map, there will be a vremya protrusion. eh, good. visible. actually. yes, this is such a deepening. this is near the border of the zaporozhye region and the dpr, according to rogov apu. they tried to storm our positions on sunday. there they lost
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about 50 militants and at least ten pieces of equipment. and here it is known that in turkey polish mercenaries also participated, it is interesting to see how the ukrainian general staff react to all these successes in quotation marks in kiev. they chose the so-called strategy of silence - denial, that is, they say there was no ukrainian offensive and there was no counter-offensive, which means no and no unsuccessfully connected. i don't know , the russians don't know in which direction our counteroffensive will take place and keeps 450 km of the front in the sector of our responsibility in constant tension. we are watching their maneuvers, the russians are nervous and constantly fortify defenses. but in washington, officials are not shy and are just pushing and hurrying the ukrainians. here is jake sullivan , president biden's own aide for us security. he just said in an interview with cnn that he really hopes that ukraine will be able to liberate a strategically important territory. at the same time, he does not specify what kind of
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territory its volume is and in what time frame it needs to be done? we do not appreciate the counteroffensive. we intend to support ukraine in achieving. as much progress as possible on the battlefield so that she has the most advantageous position at the negotiating table. we believe that the ukrainians will succeed in the course of counter-offensive operations and will be able to return the strategically important territories under the control of russia, but ukrainian defense minister oleksiy reznikov probably performed best here, he said that in this coming counter-offensive. ukraine will not use the f16 well, it is clear that they will not be used, they do not plan, because the f-16 fighters. they just don't have it. and here's to spring. uh, sorry, and winter will be a completely different matter. f-16 will not change the fundamental situation this summer, a lot of time will be spent on training our pilots and not only pilots, in addition, we will need to agree with partners on the engineering and technical support
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of henri lunch aircraft, with these ukrainian wishlist there are more and more permanent today, because remember, he said that there, how much time he said, you can train a pilot in two months. i speak, yes, well, he knows better here, this is definitely the most interesting thing, that's what is happening now, this is the impression that comes from public statements, both ukrainian figures and their western leaders, as if you understand this. a vicious circle has formed, that is, kiev says we need weapons. westerners say we need your counteroffensive. here, kiev again says, we need your weapons, because without your weapons our counteroffensive will not be and begins. so everything is new. is this impression false or not? or
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let's see. now here are some recent shots of zelensky’s contacts with various higher-level organizations , in principle, all the time we are talking about the same thing, but such things are pronounced that well, somehow i don’t know if i would be different andrey vladimirovich i would probably believe unconditionally. well, i can't believe this. i will now just draw your attention to what i mean after we see the plot. last weekend , the ministry of defense of ukraine posted new propaganda. the video is obviously addressed to a western partner in the video, they hint that there will be a counter on the stop. but when they say, since the quote plans loves silence in the final shots of the flight of american fighters at 16, which kiev has long and so far unsuccessfully begged the west, there will be no announcement of the beginning. however, fighter jets alone are not enough for the ukrainian authorities, on sunday the wall street newspaper published an interview with the president
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of the terrorist zelensky, who said that they were ready to attack, but only a little is missing there are not so many 50 air defense batteries of patrin, even all european allies will surprise fans. imagine the feeling of a soldier who knows that he has no roof and does not understand. why do neighboring countries have weapons that simply turn off russia’s ability to intimidate tens of millions of people , a reality, the next 50 batteries for us the west managed to transfer two patriot batteries to kiev, one of them, according to our russian ministry of defense, has already destroyed all ukrainians the united states promised five thirds . and now zelensky is asking for 10 times more cost. this is about 55 billion dollars in passing, the head of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs kuleba demanded in an ultimatum form to accept ukraine into nato immediately and without any conditions. hinting that the list of requirements that a candidate for joining the alliance must fulfill is outdated and ukraine should be taken to non-cors.
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well, zelensky is threatening not to come to the july nato summit in lithuania if he doesn’t receive a guarantee, and we don’t have bachi if they don’t mark us and don’t give us any signal vilnius i think that ukraine does not make sense to attend this summit at west to sag until leisurely, the british defense secretary. ben wallace made it clear that ukraine's entry is now impossible, a maximum of separate facts about mutual defense. the baltic states also offers the ukrainians. sort of like a consolation prize. we have said many times not to repeat empty words about open doors to nato. we must find something to compensate for our failure to grant ukraine full nato membership at this time. then how difficult it is for zelensky to have a dialogue with western partners can be understood with this shot, at a meeting with the british prime minister , zelensky was very nervous, twitching and looking around. mr. sunakh, on the other hand, smiled broadly and called for the continuation of reforms and the fight against corruption after
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the negotiations. zelensky did not communicate with the press and quickly left. well , quite frankly, the ukrainian leader was put in his place on the sidelines of the summit of the european political community when zelensky tried to speak to serbian president vučić, prime minister of luxembourg, xavier bethel, who was standing nearby, showed the ukrainian several times gestures, something like close the mitten, and that obedience endured humiliation. that's what i can't believe. it's like on one side. well , when you say that you really need 50 batteries, a patriot. well, it's somehow. on the other hand, we say that ukraine is such a capricious child. so alexey sergeevich and i then somehow clung to the analogy because of this. she knows how to ask for everything she needs. here they somehow manage
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to create one for themselves. and how is it some kind of totem that's not an animal, but a totem weapon and they all start. yes? here at first were jiveli us quite right. now they say that they almost know how to do them there, then there were bayeraktars, then there were highmors, but they were given all this. i don’t know there in some necessary quantity or not, because i don’t really understand why during the counter-offensive you need so many air defense systems that seem to be supposed to protect you. well, okay, he knows better, so alexey sergeevich let's continue then. here is our analogy with you, uh, the analogy about the capricious child now it seems that after all , this child is faced with a certain. well, such a rejection there of guardians or parents who tell him. well, listen, we have already given you so much. you promised yourself good news, you promised yourself there that you would not break dishes and carry fives there. yes, yes, you do not study, and you continue to demand something. come on, now
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it's your turn to do something. but we see that vladimir aleksandrovich zelensky chose this tactic that a child would choose when faced with the first rejection, what tactics he has, yes, because it’s stronger, still try to push further, and we see what he is told, firstly, and no fifty patriot complexes are possible. all this is necessary for him, first they went to meet him, they gave him everything that he asked or demanded, and now some kind of collision begins again. with refusal. he continued to push. he says no, you know? now i need more, i now need nato membership without any conditions, and i need patriot complexes that are not there, and so on, so what will happen now will be like this. uh, a special operation to force vladimir zelensky to realize reality. that is, when a child is told, you know, we understand that you want a carload of sweets, but there is no carload of sweets, in principle, there are not as many in the store, how much do you want? yes, that's why now, and we see jake sully, here he is already saying, why is the counteroffensive of ukraine
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needed, he says, for a more profitable occupation, negotiation in fact, the only leader who wants a carload of sweets, that is, to reach the border of the ninety-first year, remains vladimir zelensky, he says we want it, we we will achieve this, no one in the world considers this possible anymore, and now the task of western leaders for the coming months is to make vladimir zelensky realize the reality that yes, of course, a counteroffensive is possible. yes , the enemy is dangerous, but he cannot achieve everything he wants and the tactic is to push harder and cry. louder, they said that president zelensky is very skillfully trying to manipulate his western allies to pull some strings so that she succeeds. now, when he is faced with this or that rejection of reality, and so further. can't he turn on some kind of manipulator, as much as possible, to either a try to get something of his own, or play somehow. so after him even then he will be worn and persuaded. i do not know, but you yourself promoted this theory with manipulation. how can it be? let's
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imagine when e means parents. well, knowledgeable people say that this is the action of certain drugs of these candies. i liked it, so it was one video. it was signed there, which means it shakes like this head and appears, as if his thoughts, they say, fell somewhere again before he had time to translate the grandmother, and therefore, so, so, uh, he was worried like that. e alexandrovich what can you say about mom's dad, that's all. i agree, indeed zelensky finds himself in a difficult situation. maybe we're just comforting ourselves again. maybe he even squeezes them somehow. and it would be andrei vladimirovich , he would say all this garbage. everything is not at all like that, everything will be given. uh, pilots. patriots will make them on a 3d printer. uh-huh and by the way, you can not do it. no why, but shoot for a long time, i won't be a rabbi. is it possible to jump with a parachute on
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shabbat ? here in this, as it were, the question should be in a broad context. yes, because the situation is slowly changing , new trends appear, in general, in fact, from washington to beijing. in the global context, the ukrainian crisis, as they call it, still fades into the background. and so now, when washington needs to finance, first of all, to arm taiwan. he doesn’t give taiwan weapons and taiwan is already making claims, you give ukraine what we need, that is, uh, at least one western leader, washington has a very real reason to slow down, uh, arming ukraine does not mean that it will not be they will express it, but it will not get what it wants, will not receive, in general , or will not receive in quantity. she will never get. well, there’s another five, and they
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can give up to five, they can give three five there, by the way, with regard to offensive operations, so they can bring, uh, try to shoot down our planes, which will strike at the advancing troops. that is , it’s necessary to counteract our contraception to the river for this, if they are fat, if not the plane, then let’s air defense so that we don’t give the russians the opportunity to close. no, this is again such a manipulative story to him in fact. i'm talking about zelensky's terrorists , it was necessary in the area there for 5 years. he said about 50, everyone was stunned, they twisted the troops, but those five were the most that you said, he will receive quickly his story, it worked, he did what he wanted. and here we are, as it were, talking about the fact that they refuse him, they don’t refuse him, and so on, but he achieved some of his non-obvious, of course , correct for a blackmailer, but the fact is that everything that we listed today for with the exception
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of the zhilins. all that we cracked today he was given less no less. e of what he wants, and less of what he needs. i would be so hmm everything was cheaper and easier there, they gave less, what production was needed and the losses are all the same. that's the difference. that's not the point. i 'm not talking about giving or giving, but about situations on the front line. he was given little of everything, he was given few tanks. he was given few highmoros. he was given little artillery, just not enough for the beginners if they want them to counter attack this. and if they want, then what result they are waiting for alexander , you never know enough, this time will show how successful or unsuccessful it will be, or also, if you want satery from yours, let's let's see, if you want it to perform certain actions with a certain result, please, based on this result. we will build our future
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relationship. but you perfectly understand that these certain actions. he can accomplish only with your help, including military finances, and you are constantly moving him forward, but you are providing him with insufficient military financial assistance. how then did he not help. and he will demand there a high result to look at situation. a-a aleksandrovich must look at the situation pragmatically, i would not compare international politics with the situation in the nursery group. and it’s no longer me who didn’t become the older group of childhood, i would begin to confuse, uh, kruglovodov and puppets. but the fact is that there are reasons why the zelensky ones act and act in this way, firstly, 50 p3 is 150 million is a request position. you know, even the military in your own country in any country, like any other logical group. they ask the authorities of any country, that is, russia usa france china is much more than
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it receives later in the budget, that is, a request position. uh-huh, he understands, he doesn’t go, he perfectly understands the ukrainian military, which he doesn’t think up for him, and others send beautiful requests. you understand that no one will deliver 50 fri to ukraine in the near future. in the medium term, he is trying in this way and not only in relation to the poet, but to others, but to increase weapons systems to increase the flow of weapons there is a second cause. why does he do this? no one ever , not a single military leader and not a single political leader a, no matter how confident they were in their army in its abilities. one can never be 100% sure of the success of this or that military operation, so he is preparing, in a certain sense, public opinion and public opinion in the west, including the fact that if this is if this counter-offensive will not be successful in such if he has something to say, we were not
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given. they said that they did not finish it in the west. this they also understand very well and give as much as they consider necessary for the success of this contraception from their point of view. they may be, and their calculation may be correct. or maybe it's wrong. let's hope that they miscalculate so stanislav mikhailovich how much do you think? let's start with the version of lyub with the fact that the patriot is a system. uh, frontline theatrical, uh, what is needed where they fight is the system. well, yes, yes, the theater of war. and this is what they need is a sterger - this is a system that is used against attack aircraft against helicopters, which they take the fighting on the spot. ah. somewhat frivolous in terms of weapons. listen, where did you hear the prostinker stinger talk - this is how it was written by an afghan afghan astronomer watching the stars and standing, uh, some there or back in january of last year they were transported by planes. they
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have them, they have them, and this is the system you need. why don't they talk about it then? why then these alexander yuryevich i will kick you out right now. why is it like? here, such an overestimated request, because it is not necessary offensive problem. what if you look? historical uh, the course of an entire civilization changed in one battle and for them to lose uh, one big battle. this is the end of ukraine, we can again state a new army. they can't do it, it took them half a year to assemble. uh, what is now even more and this is with the help of the entire west if they now lose on manpower, yes, the personal composition. this is the end of ukraine, which means the end of earnings not only for zelensky, for all his generals and all the colonels there, who make very good money from it. it 's a problem for everyone for everyone the same time in the west for the americans the americans don't give enough weapons because they and they don't have it. so much to give. uh, one and b, they don't want this war to end. what
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if they win, they don't need it. well , so that the war goes on for a long time, so that blood flows from russia. no matter how many ukrainians die there, this is a biomaterial that can be used as you like. this consumable beacons will go, the next in the know. ruins after that, but there's always meat to plant. the main thing is that the war goes on for a long time, if possible. i will interrupt you now to your first thesis about the fact that this is not enough, as it were. yes, there are two arguments. why is it more to produce it more, plus the theoretical president zelensky is becoming less and less controllable. and this weapon is leaking from ukraine somewhere else. here let's. in the west, they do not hide the fact that for many months, due to the conflict in ukraine, they have been experiencing a shortage of weapons the day before in an interview bloomberg secretary general nato jens, stoltenberg said that the only way to fix the matter is to conclude new contracts with defense companies, but for this the ally will have
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to increase defense spending to at least 2% of gdp and better, more, and expert, i expect that when the leaders meet we will make sure that 2% gdp for defense is not the ceiling we are aiming for, the minimum of what is necessary to achieve a commitment as a fan ally. in addition, there is growing doubt in the united states that ukraine controls the western weapons transferred to it recently washington post sources told the us intelligence agencies that the rap armored personnel carriers on which ukrainian terrorists attacked the belgorod region were supplied to the apu from the usa and poland, and journalists also analyzed footage from russian telegram channels. it was concluded that the rifles in the hands of the saboteurs were made in belgium and the czech republic, the recent raid in russia shows how equipment can change hands in unpredictable ways, creating problems with control. this episode raises questions about future responsibilities and what
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antics the united states is ready to endure the ukrainians are clearly involved in this, if washington stubbornly pretends that nothing is happening, then belgium is very upset by such a roll. if not to say angered the authorities of the country, they turned to ukraine for clarification. where did the terrorists come from? oh, sorry, the russian militias took their belgian rifles. and this is the first time that a western country has expressed dissatisfaction with antics. kiev supplied weapons to the prime minister of belgium personally. he promised to get it right. our ministry defense intelligence agencies have launched an investigation and have already requested information about what happened. we are serious about this belgian weapons are delivered to ukraine on the condition that they are used on the territory of ukraine in order to protect this territory, and we maintain strict control to make sure that this is the case alexander ivanovich, this is just the duty baying. well, how would one have to say that ah-ah-ah, and we, in general, are not for everything. or is there any reason to
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say that this assistance to ukraine can be cut? maybe not give as much as they gave before, and again. this is just pr. this leads to an interesting thought. or rather, a thought, but you remember that among the six main tasks about the so-called demilitarization of ukraine, among the six main tasks , recent events show that nato is being demilitarized. that is , weapons are being raked out of nato and nato countries are being disposed of in ukraine. weapons, they say, we are running out of it to produce. we don't have time for anything. not no have time, americans, demilitarization. nato is a new thing, the point is that they clearly, but for their voters say, they are lying around like a fool. they say, we don't start a war. we are not for escalation.
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we are against confrontation with russia, and they all say our weapons on the territory of the traditional territory, as they call russia, should not hit our missiles, and now the voters say that you are fooling us. you guys are cheating, and therefore there is another reason. why calls delivery worry. e western weapons in sufficient quantities. after all, this western weapon is needed. in fact, to western countries, not in order to fight, but in order to earn money, this is a product that supplies its whole world to which, in fairly peacetime, fleur is given the exclusivity of irresistibility, and suddenly in the theater of military operations it is clear that this, it turns out, not such a compelling weapon that it has a bunch of flaws. it loses the liquidity of the value, and why the patrio is the same felled one of the most basic elements of foreign trade, the us military, he
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became the target of the russian federation only because he is an obstacle to our missiles and aircraft. and this is a blow to the image. uh, when uh saudi arabia patriots? yes, they are in the theater and nothing. first strike we continue to work on this and the sound of the systems, what do you want to say that we are there ? yes, let's, after all, we will agree that we are trying to destroy patriots on the territory of ukraine, and on the territory of saudi arabia we have nothing to do with it, we will find out from us not like that. well, what was it? let's continue this thought. i think that without control arms circulation, really western countries. eh, cared. i think lowering it. well, let's say the quality in the eyes is also taken care of and quite right. i agree with you. you are also ahead of me, the united states and the west
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do not need the war for tomorrow to end their task, it is not ukraine that is lining up against you very much. yes? come on, i get it. yes? come on, andrey, and then still return the word alexandrovich, because that he is stubbornly trying to prove to us that the americans want to turn it all off. so let's address first about the delivery. yes, it means that you need to understand the supply. now i agree, everything here is about money, the rating-manufacturer company. it has already lost 12% of its value. their shares. it hurts them, they delivered billions of dollars contracts around the world. the patriot complex is obsolete, it's a generation behind us. well, anyone can climb to see the characteristics of the s4 s500 in terms of ranges in general for all characteristics, but the most important thing is that the note is missing military air defense system what is it? this is something that rides on wheels directly in battle formations or on tracks with its own radar and can immediately launch shell, tor and so on missiles in places from a short distance. you just think
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about it, we shoot 100 km away, like peter , who turns around there for a day with installations for everyone else, the problem is that stangers arrived at the front. they can't shoot down our free-falling bombs. there is a thermal homing head, and when not radiation is a problem, and wingers on cameras that are made on the basis of stingers that shoot also cannot do this and ukraine has problems. it is necessary either to drag aircraft there, and the american system says that they are in the theater of operations. aviation will provide cover as they do in alaska or somewhere where they don’t have such a deployed system, so for zelensky it’s really very important, it doesn’t matter to him. what kind of patriot or european complexes will he need to send there, but the americans understand they they count the money these five major corporations have long redistributed the market, it is important for them to load the europeans and the european union. i have already said that for the next 4 years of beads we will pull the strap on financing this smoldering conflict in ukraine with our
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weapons. these are our planes and equipment. there should be no need to burn. and why did the javelins supply everything else? yes, because their production was stopped, like the stingers. they are junk from the warehouses, they were sent there, and for the next 7 years, 7 years the company will replenish the production of zhilin. us warehouses and stinger are long money. this reserve is very convenient, so europe will now force this conflict to be financed by its supplies with all the rest what? the chinese of the european mother of poland all earn there; the poles put up about 2 billion dollars or euros at the expense of their soviet tanks, which put everything there for money, training for money at 20,000 euros per person to ukraine, they think they will then give back not the british, nor the europeans, nothing do not do. it's very cool that she pays nothing, because if we all we will borrow, there we will say, are we crazy, we will pay bankruptcy. by the way, this is a solution. well, it’s possible, then, after all, alexander yuryevich somehow gets
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the impression that a lot of arguments were alone with this idea. andrew of france now just, uh, well done. let's really, the united states wants to shift the funding of this war to europe when i say, please don't confuse it with scrambled eggs, when i say that the americans want to get out of this theater of war initially they want. in short, they want stop eating stop this war. they leave and transfer the time of this war to the europeans the opportunity, and they are ready to carry themselves without euro-atlantic solidarity. and while it means washington, then the americans will turn off their gas ha arguments. now they have a valve. uh, no illusions that the europeans can fully or largely replace them in terms of, uh, assistance to ukraine, the americans are well
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aware that the lion's share. aid and assistance to ukraine and in ukraine, both military and otherwise, will come from the united states europe simply does not have america and in the near future there will not be such opportunities . it was originally laid down in this story that the key role of the united states, uh, europe plays in terms of, maybe they, uh, the united states wants europe to be like- then on activation and energy. we will definitely resist the duel of our american administration. remember saying that several years that european nato member countries should increase their spending to at least 2% of their defense budget goals and will continue to strive put pressure on europe to increase its military spending, but they do not expect the europeans to replace them as the main, uh, supplier in ukraine, okay, this discussion will probably have to be continued now for a short pause, then we will grenade there. eh,
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talked about the beginning of naval exercises in two fleets at once. first let's go to the far east let's see this we have the pacific fleet the two-week maneuvers will take place in the waters of the sea of japan and the sea of okhotsk . more than 60 warships and support vessels, 35 aircraft of naval aviation and 11,000 military personnel will participate in them. well, let's immediately fast forward to the baltic, where our major exercises are also taking place, they will last 10 days until 15% of june on footage from the ministry of defense. uh , you can see that a lot of technology is involved. these are 40 ships and boats and vessels, providing about 25 helicopters and about 500 units of other military equipment. here in the baltic at the same time as our exercises , the nato exercises are in full swing, which means that on the eve of this news, the estonian ministry of defense proudly shared it on twitter. here you are this very post. you see , it lists how many different countries
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and techniques are involved. that's about it. let's take a closer look at the department that 6,000 soldiers from 19 nato countries came to the training camp, which is important to participate in them, and sweden, which has not yet officially joined the alliance, commands the parades. clear united states of america in nato training will be attended by 50 ships and 45 military aircraft. well, on the eve of the maneuvers, the american flagship mountney personally came to check on the united states ambassador to tallinn, george kent . here you see the photo, well, the estonian ones at the estonian prime minister. russia is to blame. it is very difficult to understand this estonian logic in retelling, so let's just listen. those who accuse nato of expanding the escalation are adopting the imperialist language and ideology of russia is about the right of small countries to make their own choices regarding their foreign policy regarding their defense
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arrangements. living side by side with an aggressor state has left us and some other countries with no choice but to turn to nato for a security guarantee. if we were not members of nato, the eu, we would now be going through very dark times. well, for the first time in the existence of the bloc, the north atlantic alliance itself can lead british. this is what the graf divider newspaper writes about that aisha sunok is stubbornly promoting her minister of defense ben wallace, and not just promoting. he wants to agree on his candidacy and will meet with joe biden next week to discuss this issue directly. well, andrianovich also mentioned, i'm sweden there. here, i think in our community theme. well, yes, i wanted to say, after all, despite the fact that viktorovich does not agree, but i agree, i do not agree today. here is the analogy to continue, because the relationship between nato and ukraine is , of course, not the relationship between the parents and the child of the withdrawn group of the kindergarten. this is not a nursery. this is already an older group there, maybe even elementary school classes there, because
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this is the one in ukraine yes, the enfandre for nato , who so far only knows how to be capricious and achieves his own due to whims, but there is , uh, another such character. you already know this teenager. i'm talking about turkey now, which already can conflict with their parents almost on an equal footing, but at the same time, the parents themselves understand that a freshman rebel is already good, but most likely, yes, the parents themselves understand that at some point they probably behaved somehow wrong, well, it hurts, how would this rebel be just such a rebel, however, if we look on what is happening now between nato and turkey after president erdogan, which means that he has already entered the next term of his obligations. then it turns out that it seems like well , this conflict is gradually smoothed out. although again, maybe these are just first impressions. it is erroneous. let's get a look. on erdogan's inauguration ceremony, which
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took place last saturday in ankara, was attended by nato secretary general stoltenberg. it was not just a formality the very next day, the turkish leader held a closed meeting with the secretary general of the alliance, after which stoltenberg solemnly announced the issue with the entry of sweden into nato, which was hindered by turkey , sweden finally took important concrete steps, to satisfy turkey's demands, stockholm fulfilled its obligations and now sweden has the right to become a full member of nato more discuss this topic in detail. we agreed on june 12, but in the west, it seems, they have already come to believe that the swedes will have few formalities left in nato without five minutes. although the turks have not yet given their consent and previously threatened not to let sweden into the alliance because of the refusal to extradite terrorists and actions by burning the koran in the state department. the united states nevertheless rejoices in advance , the note added to its ranks. finland as our 31st ally and soon we will add sweden as our 32nd ally. the swedes themselves, with all their might , continue to anger turkey while stoltenberg
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persuaded erdogan. to understand and forgive sweden, kurdish activists posted footage on social networks against the backdrop of the swedish parliament with the flags of the kurdistan workers' party; it is outlawed in turkey, but the swedish authorities do not interfere with kurds with anti-turkish posters and insults against erdogan. the whole question is closed, whether the turks agreed or not, or to say something else, but i think that the elections, of course, were, then, the same rubicon, which the first two things allow, this is to give consent to erdogan to give consent to sweden's attack on nato and the second - this is for us. finally, it's firmly on the grain deal. that is, yes, send it, because this is it. the elections are here. i clearly
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have connections here. i think that the citizens will give consent to sweden and pay off for some moment , i don’t know, maybe there will be something material to continue their independent position in relations, including with russia uh-huh wait, you confused me. it will work, to hell with you. let sweden be in nato, what will happen? for that? so he got the election, but i don't think that's it, just a direct candidacy is not a retribution for the choice. but although, in principle, we did not notice a very serious opposition from the united states to his e, victory never. although the americans may have been the first we do not know, maybe one day we will agree. come on, so. we don't touch you, get elected. rather choose. and how will it turn out, well, interfere with him, and as you can see , it will turn out that way, but then give us the swedish one and the second. and further, what are you pestering me with this russia, i gave you, what did you want?
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get away from me, i will continue. maybe then you threw me an interesting topic. a how are we then if erdon, in your view, gets well a certain freedom of action. he is interested in cooperating with us to continue some kind of shura-mura twist. and you say, and here we are sending this grain deal. it's not profitable for us. well, you see. we must in addition, in order to understand, well, do not offend erdogan, do not forget about your interests, yes, and turn on the ammonia pipeline. get a deal. well, you understand, we also get a certain look, first of all, our interests and opinion too some kind of field in the cut, but it is beneficial for us when it works from both sides of the kevich. from the very beginning, if you remember last year, when the issue of accession to nato arose in finland and sweden, i said that this is an expensive issue for turkey. and sooner or later ankaras trades with the west. it is
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a matter solely of the condition on which they trade this bargain. finally took place. if you remember back then, he said that a was on the nose. in turkey, and the attitude of the west to the elections we see that there really is no practical counteraction. the west does not render there that erdogan passed. frankly, even what they said, there were some very, very mild criticisms , compared to even what it was before, it was so gone, everything is bad, but everyone congratulated him and, as for, and a potential deal. here, wait, how would all this happen, bargaining and further and erdogan won and sweden in nato and what is still not visible, yes, turkey would like to improve relations, united in places, and there is an issue with american aircraft with regard to sanctions
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, these issues will most likely be resolved in a positive way for ankara. now , with regard to very briefly grain deals the fact is that russia is beneficial to turkey as it has been for the last 15 months so that it remains a hub for parallel imports. this is one of the most important for russia whether we like it or not. this is one of the most important partners for russia now in terms of parallel imports for the russian economy. this is very important movement. we are also very important alex sergeevich, he has the rights of a freelance family psychologist, apparently, a program. i would still like to protect the worth. yes, publicized, of course, but to defend the analogy from the nursery group, because the clothes, of course, change, but the manipulation techniques do not change at all and the analogy with a teenager is also very good, when a teenager rebels against his parents. he does not want a final break with them. he wants to be recognized for his independence of some kind, but at the same time, money for a carefree absolutely fair enough, it feels like you have
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a dozen teenage kids. just well done, just now listen to you. well, first of all, i propose something. this turkey, which you know to ours and yours, suits our interests and us - this is the same turkey that we know and that we, sorry, love. yes, because, and for us, such a position of turkey is beneficial. we need this teenager, we let him in his hostel, and the rustle induces in nato. and this only makes us feel better, so there is no need to scold erdogan. but the action, which is everything it has long been expected from him and, in general, they do not scold. we are trying to understand the general agreement. can you let us somehow yes three topics the first thing. uh, americans got good news over the weekend, bad news, good news. they found some of their e- desires. now their standers are bad news. they found their mexican cortels, that the weapons lead everywhere bad additionally, and on the topic in general, the tone in washington, uh, biden, two different two different camps one camp. yes, he wants to merge already, that's
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all and go to another camp in china. this the ideological camp is the same of these kohenohnullands, who, with their genetic memory, are angry at russia and want to destroy it. if ukraine goes the same friend is fine. in the same way, they approach turkey with the ideological s, the firm position of the reeds, because no, the father is not conservatives. this is trotsky’s daggenetic energetic memory, but it acts against russia who are irish, they are all trotskyists, what they say to him, but with turkey, turkey is not this is not a teenager, turkey is this younger cousin or younger brother, because they will get the second largest army in nato without turkey after agreeing that sweden enters freedom from the maidan and possibly freedom from, uh, another industrial terrorist attack against. uh,
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that's the most against their money they have frozen. yes, they froze 1.3 billion. they were supposed to participate in the f-35 program. they transferred the funds were to get up the production chain. and in general, freeze everything, says money. return says no, then i say give, then f-16 modernization they tell you that you can’t even do that with you there s400 and so on. no, it’s that there’s a fundamental question there. it pulls a lot of things along the surface, so unlocking political problems issues related to earnings within nato within the chains of cooperation, the possibility of supplying their weapons to the baraktars, and so on , they were crushed by them. , the americans clearly said, so we take everything from korea and ran there, the poles and so on, so this is very important for them and he acts in the interests of turkey and they will make money with russia and with nato but for
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us, sweden's accession to nato will not really be a problem, as in finland. this is a matter of formalization. they are already there, they are already fulfilling all orders , and so on, it’s more scary for us, but the termination of the montreuvian convention, when the black sea states no longer have their warships, that the turks are raising something there is the cost of passage through the straits. literally the next day, the last nouguration, and they all went up in price. now we will live in a new way. not the most most importantly, the grain deal. of course, it will continue with the agreement of colleagues, except for ammonia wires, it is important for us that our grain also goes through turkey and many other goods , plus hubs and so on. there, the plus is heated in society, it always remains to be interrupted or still has time. that's it let's pause a little now, then we will continue our conversation.
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leomax on our website. this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we will now continue our geopolitical conversation today , let's move on to such an asian theater of hostilities. well, thank god for now hypothetical. well, just a few words. let me talk about my personal travels then, because i just returned from bryansk this morning, where i had a concert. in general, i understand that these are our bryansk viewers. they are probably for the most part of such a critical warehouse. no, everything was great. well, for example , such an observation was voiced that here is one of our format phrases. here is what we pronounce periodically, the place where everything becomes clear. they tell me, but somehow it doesn't correspond to reality. well, not yet it becomes clear from your programs a lot, but not all. i said that, of course, i voice this opinion on the air, but nevertheless . we will probably leave this phrase, because in a sense, this is our motto. i don't know, wan will agree with me or not,
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but the motto. he always needs some kind of hyperbole, there, with an increase in art , it contains inside clearly, but we try very hard to make it so yes, then it was said, khashchenko bespalko shishkin starikov if i remember correctly, he directly formulates fine. all clear. keep it up anton valeevich. tell everyone else, and he says, on the left side of you , andrei vladimirovich, we don’t have enough. here is this clarity, those need to work somehow, they say with experts they want to immediately note that fedorov a brings out intrigue. e into the discussion, but the speech and statements of the son. uh, interesting because sometimes they are like such a cold shower. so it's sobering and invigorating. in general, i, in my opinion, did not bring me from more than one city. eh, that's the number. who is impressed
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there are no constructive or destructive comments, but in general, of course, many thanks, our program looks like everyone, huge greetings and wishes for creative longevity. it is important for you, of course, in more moby everything let us then, before moving to the theater of operations in southeast asia , vanya now has a selection of news related to the belgorod region. in general, probably our hottest region, and as i understand it, you have some very fresh something there , in fact, today's all the news. today, the governor of the belgorod region , vyacheslavkov, said that 650 shells were fired at the settlements of the region over the past day. here you see the destruction, with more than 600 shells. were fired from installations grad also sips said that ukrainian saboteurs tried to break through the river near the village of novo tavolzhanka, however, our incessant rebuff. on sunday, in several telegram channels at once, such shots appeared, you see our flashy ones. it was expected that the video was filmed, just in the new volzhanka supposedly
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some eyewitnesses filmed ukrainian saboteurs running between living houses in the video. it turned out to be a fake figured out this very simply by house numbers. they do not coincide with those in the village, our ministry of defense reported that two groups of ukrainian terrorists really tried to force the river, the seversky donets, in the area of the new volzhanka. as a result of our artillery strikes, 10 militants, two boats and an armored vehicle of the armed forces were destroyed. well, another story, which is also looks like a fake. not for a fake or for some kind of provocation from the soshnikov chain, again based on the thwarted attacks of terrorists in the belgorod region on social networks, the militants published a very dubious video in which they claimed that they had captured two russian soldiers and offered to hand them over personally governor gladkov, if he comes to novaya tavolzhanka, the official agreed to meet, but she in that tishibekino it was at 5:00 in the evening
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, the terrorists did not appear at the gathering place. and at that moment, when, it seems, gladkov should have there, they began to carry blows, because the checkpoint, but gladkov, fortunately, was not there. well, let's have one more fake since we are refuting fakes, another fake that was already refuted in the kremlin today, as dmitry peskov explained, sounded this morning in several regions at once, these are the rostov and voronezh regions, and radio ifiria is some kind of emergency radio message from vladimir putin, this is an absolute fake . this is actually the result of a hack. uh, the radio stations are intruders. in this absolute fake it was said there about some kind of mobilization. in in general, peskov denied all this, saying that there was no introduction of martial law in the belgorod region and other areas. there is no message about any mobilization. they are absolutely not reliable. the situation in the regions of russia is under the full control of law enforcement agencies. e. well, including him at the headquarters of the belgorod region. all this has been emphasized. well, those who are fighting on the side of ukraine here are no longer fake, but pure. true,
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the polish mercenaries, fighting on the side of ukraine , suddenly admitted that they had participated in a terrorist attack on the belgorod region statement, as well as here are photos and video materials on social networks published on behalf of the so-called polish volunteer corps. speech about a sortie of saboteurs on the territory of the graivoronovsky district on may 22 , governor gladkov already spoke about the involvement of the poles in the terrorist attack. and now this, in fact, is a sincere confession by the poles themselves in everything , the authorities of poland are recognized. upon learning of this , they hastened to disown any ties with these mercenaries. the polish volunteer corps described in the media is by no means associated with the armed forces of poland or any polish institution, the activities of the polish volunteers supporting ukraine in the fight against russia should not be identified with the authorities of the republic of poland, the poles, of course, are wonderful in words to support. yes, but a little that was completed right away in the bushes. well yes.
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these are again such russians, apparently, there will be some partisans there, rebels who are polish rebels. i don't know. of course, i would like to bring some clarity here, so that i can bring it in. and here, to bring it to me they announced it all. forgive me for god's sake, here i am, of course, being in italian , i didn’t notice any here. well, i don't know, tension is tension. yes, but still the bryansk region. we, too, to put it mildly, are not aloof from all these events, so there were a lot of questions about what i personally think about my own how it all goes. well, about polyakov then we were still in general, i didn’t know anything either, so the audience didn’t ask, but i think i would have asked. you, of course, want to know how to get all these questions, answers and understandable and, probably, a quick something, somehow i really want to get these answers. well , let's wait for now and see what happens
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on the other side of the globe, if i may say so. eh, especially since it's all interconnected. we actually. now they were arguing in the first place. here with alexander kazakova that is why the occasion, and there it seems that the situation is heating up, just now several episodes have happened faster than we would like in the last few days or they are usually called incidents, which are vivid evidence there. we are some of them let us remind you now, well, firstly, there was almost a collision between the planes of the chinese j6 fighter and the american reconnaissance plane arsi 135. ah, this is what concerns the air, what concerns the sea surface on saturday american destroyers, canadian the frigate passed through the taiwan strait and, quite unexpectedly for them , a ship of china went in their direction. its crew called for american canadians. change course, and warning that
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a collision is possible, that is, the chinese went to ram, roughly speaking, here are the americans first refused and said that the chinese should keep their distance, but then they somehow figured out the course in time and left. here it is reported that about 130 m remained until well 150 yards. this is a little more than 130 m before the actual collision, that is, the chinese have violated the scenario of the american canadian exercises, which just took place in the south china sea, including in the taiwan strait. they worked out the defense of the island there. i mean, but these joint, as it were, forces are now similar. the behavior of the chinese fleet forced the western military, well seriously nervous. when you are on large warships maneuvering close to each other at a distance of 150 yards. it's very scary. you never want to be. so close to another ship, because there are too many things. it may
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go wrong and you may encounter. this is the suggestion that something could go wrong. it somehow really captured me now. minds. uh, all kinds of analysts. eh, americans, what conclusion did they come to? ah, at least it's voiced, cnn uh americans are seriously inferior to the chinese precisely in naval power. what figures do cnn translate the pentagon counted about 300 forty warships among the chinese, while the americans have less than 300, with regard to the growth rate of the chinese fleet. they are many times higher than that of the americans, according to pentagon calculations, if the chinese fleet grows to 400 ships in the twenty-fifth year, then the americans will reach the mark of 350 units. it will take another 22 years, that is, according to experts. china builds warships three times faster than the americans further some of the chinese ships, according to american analysts,
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have more firepower, for example, destroyers. type 0,55, the chinese have eight of them for the americans, and two ships similar to this zambled project, the chinese new destroyers have 112 missile launchers, and the americans only 96. well, it’s clear, of course, that all these are such a few direct calculations. they probably can’t help it, because it’s absolutely kay-tracing paper of the tenth years of the xx century on the eve of the first world war, when germany she considered that she would never catch up with great britain in terms of fleet and she had the best fleet, and so on and so forth. this was one of the arguments for germany that is their very early. you're saying that the americans can't build faster, so we need to do it faster. yes. one of the reasons. it's just that i remember some time ago they also counted all sorts of tanks there , relatively speaking, we and the chinese and nato, probably, only on these data analyzes
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the situation in history, but nevertheless, here's the question the argument that this might spur the americans to speed up, it would spur the americans if they really thought like the germans, but today the american fleet, of course, is superior to the chinese, and many times and much. don't look at the number of ships. look at the tone. look at the type of ship of the americans of the aircraft carrier group. how many chinese aircraft carrier groups are capable of projecting force 1,000 km from chinese territory? i know that i did a calculation of nn about him . he told me why the pentagon thinks so, and not how it looks like it’s time, firstly, it’s absolutely right that a person wants money, he wants the pentagon wants money, because the pentagon and write at trump spoke about what needs to be built. okay let's go then. let's remove these left calculations. but the episodes about herself and about the ships. that's when they don't know anything, there's the american fleet. it is
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spread all over the chinese world. too many conflicts cannot immediately flare up if they are not gathered in one place, but here is what concerns these clashes. in my opinion all these chinese actions, and the overflight of aircraft, the demonstration of taran is some kind of compensator, that is, china compensates for its unwillingness to enter into serious conflict with the americans with these small demonstrative victories. absolutely true and show. look how cool i am going on praising him the fact is that the chinese. well, that happens too. sometimes this happens enlightenment, and the chinese who run into the chinese are quiet here, and the chinese are here in principle, the position is already dry with the americans, the chinese understand the inevitability of the conflict, but tries to delay it as much as possible, because the chinese , unlike the germans, believe that time
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plays in favor. they grow with them. here he does not reach the american. he yells, here it seems to me, here high-tech she has much more investments, and in a whole series of high-tech from farms, quantum computing and so on. here i am. sorry. with all due respect, i started to fall asleep again. well, somehow you started the calculations you usually do, well, yes, yes, it really started. ah well. it's wait if that's how you would agree. well, basically, yes, but with what georg valeryevich said, nevertheless, that is, there is a risk of a sudden outbreak of some kind, yes, and a sudden aggravation of a directly serious situation is a serious situation. here is the risk. no, this is not what beijing wants, and in fact, this is not what washington wants if they are like this to each other, they shake their horns there, well, it has become small, there were incidents and our data and for a long time and no serious
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military conflict, they did not cite more than that, it is difficult to recall any such a similar incident that would lead to a full-scale military conflict, generally between two of them. as far as i know, they have honduras with el salvador. one of the wars was over because, well, wrong. well, the fact is that, again, the united states and china are e nuclear powers. they are not interested. in a direct military conflict, it is another matter that china uses the aggravation of the situation around taiwan, for its part, in order to send signals to washington and thus puts pressure on washington for information to be received. what are some what what, so that the pressure on china from taiwan has decreased, that is, they want nothing to the chinese. they want the americans not to increase military and other aid to the melting. they want the americans not to promote the idea of taiwan independence. less cooperation in this area with various
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politicians in taiwan. and this is china's wish china would like at the moment. frankly, maintaining the status quo that used to be on taiwan, they do not want to strengthen american influence. there they don't want change so they send signals but they are not interested. i repeat, in some full-scale conflict, for sure, i'm listening to you viktorovich if you are not interested in some way of the fixies if you are not interested in escalation, we are in addition to demonstrating military force. all these spans are the passages of ships. in addition to this, you are conducting some kind of diplomatic negotiations, but either do not refuse any negotiations that are offered to you. well, at least you have this rejection of your interlocutor. let's let's hear what he has to say in relations in relations between the united states and china, something completely different is happening now. right now we are so far the cia vector that was mentioned is the only story. and we remember that the director of the cia is a man who is already flying to put out a fire when everything else is. let's plot. let's see, the western
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press sniffed out that back in may, the head of the cia , burns mystery, came to him for negotiations. it was not possible to find out the exact purpose of the trip to beijing, but burn became the highest-ranking american official who dedicated china in the last 2 years. secret the visit of one of president joe biden's most confidantes shows how much the white house is concerned about the worsening relationship between beijing and washington, as an experienced diplomat and high-ranking official of the marking burns has unique data for dialogue. the financial times, however, noted an interesting pattern, it seems that the birds' visit paid moscow in november 2021, allegedly, then he demanded that russia not invade ukraine and later he dissuaded old nancy pilose from her famous flight to taiwan and judging by recent statements from beijing the diplomacy of william burns. just as successfully now, xijinping at a meeting of the chinese security council, he warned that his army should be prepared for the worst and extreme scenarios, and for some reason the minister of defense
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remembered the chinese song about jackals, when friends come, they have good wine. and when the jackals come, they have guns, some states shyly poke their noses into the internal affairs of other countries in the regions. each time unilaterally imposes sanctions and threatens weapons everywhere staged colored revolutions and proxy waynes. everything, destroying washes hands, leaving chaos behind. we must not allow them to repeat such a scenario. by the way, last week, lee repeatedly turned down official offers to meet with pentagon chief lloyd austin at a security summit in singapore. as a result, austin himself now predicts a disaster. beijing is producing an alarming number of intercepts of us warplanes . if it happens, it will turn out to be destructive catastrophe, sergei gennadievich , it really is, as if both sides understand that the last arguments in conversations have been exhausted. everything is moving towards an armed
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conflict and for years, on the contrary, an attempt to say that about extremeness is about some kind of catastrophe. this is, on the contrary, an attempt to pull yourself away from the enemy. well, sort of verbally. well, you know the current layer of risks here, the current risks, it is quite obviously there and uh, well, it would be strange to deny all these undercuts of the air sea, eh, but here it is more important here is this strategic level of risk, what are you talking about correctly, that is, look, but tactical well, at least , until january of the twenty-fourth year, not interested in the escalation of the taiwanese, but the crisis, well, with the expectation of the well-known taiwanese elections, where the gomedan united states is also likely to win, then you understand, both uh, both sides are refraining from a head-on collision for now, but they are scaling these tactical cuts and so on, it’s not clear. if you are not interested once and for all resolve the issue. and you are right, but here and most importantly, you are very accurate to deliver. that
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there is in this, well, there is such a paradox, as it were, that the existing sino-american established model both military and economic and technological, that is, on the one hand, as it would seem , with gigantic mutual economic interdependence, there is colossal trade. all this model should , well, stop as if automatically, but in fact it happens exactly the opposite, you know that the united states washington cannot be mentally geopolitical at heart, it’s just that he can’t do it across the wool. recognize uh de facto china is equal, including the taiwanese theme, the xinjiang there technological whole agenda, that is, although they are sent to the sedenpin. uh, envoys, there are other bernese, but in fact, a priori goes on all the time, as if talking . you know, the big two is possible, but, of course, the usa is a hippopotamus. well, as if there were none in this, and the chinese are other chinese - these are not periods. uh, it’s not clear what you will explain to me in 2009, when the anti-stress took place,
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how it all works, the refusal wanted to tell her a new trap, intercepted. yes of course, yes this is from the time. e war of athens with sparta. yes, there was a situation where no one seems to want war. yes, the political will is such that they want to avoid this war of this war, but they are sucked aside like a trap. based on their deep contradictions, because of these contradictions, the contradictions lie not only in politics, not only around taiwan . look at the data on china's share in world gdp if in the fifties of the xx century. it was somewhere around 4% 5%, and the americans had 30%, now china is already over 30%, and the share americans, of course, not four, but already
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less than the shares of china, and this is one of the contradictions that the americans cannot afford at the moment for someone to take the lead. yes, they have discussions about this. there are scumbags like john bolton for example, they believe that even if america loses weight it is necessary to do everything possible to prove that it is if i want to ask. and that means, that is, to fight there to resolve this issue somehow by force. you again ask the question from the point of view of reasonableness of rationality, it often happened that wars begin contrary to reasonable irrational very often and this is some kind of trap. they have. there logic is logic. there is, yes, some kind of rationality far or deep. the world war began with the murder of da ferdinand, because there were already reasons. yes, because
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the parties were driven into this trap and there are situations when, with all the desire to avoid this, it is impossible to avoid another matter, often this is also such an inevitable option. here they are in america , many are inclined to believe that not now, not right now, but somewhere in a year four years in five this situation will be more and more. it looks like such a trap and guide anton valeryevich that it’s still ours, just all the elites and democratic republics. it is quite possible that the giants against china are consolidated, but let's so, uh, by the way, you asked the right question, but these people who are demanding tougher from america. and what do they mean by that. do you know what our country has? who speaks harder, what is there? eh, says eat? this is my interest, and there, as it were, these are their interests, but about politicians in some, and both here and there, in fact , harder, nothing further follows
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publicly, because because there, e , very uncomfortable questions arise. and how to ensure this more strictly and what is the price of this all means, with regard to the relationship between russia and russia, i speak seriously in the states and e, and china, of course, not the united states do not want to work directly with china, understand that the consequences are not the chinese with the united states. it does not want to fight, china wants, of course, to reunite with taiwan. but if the reunification of taiwan takes place after the war, the united states, perhaps no one will need a connection. and no one will be satisfied. this is what the escalation that is taking place, of course, is right there, a colleague, he says there is, this is the level of tactical risks, but here the logic is, what kind of escalation is the americans made some kind of public action. well, for example, they carried out these, which means the ships, which means that china must show some kind of political action of its own , which means that they will demonstrate their military-political strength, which means that the advantage is coming, which means that this ship, the planes are flying intercept. that is, it is such a game of muscles.
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uh, the muscles that always always can always take you somewhere, of course, but you also mean that in addition to interests in china and which do not coincide, or rather, the americans do, you are precisely citizens to fight america this is another problem america and western countries in the situation with ukraine obviously do not even always supply ukraine with weapons on time. they clean their arsenals with them. well, we're not doing it yet. and you imagine that if the conflict is a direct conflict with china america where do all these resources come from? uh-huh, they perfectly understand that money and which can be printed, and this will not be saved well. let's take a break now. it’s just that today we have such a rare case when we can discuss today’s events with a look back at the historical events that took place literally these days there many, many years ago and since we have a staff. how did you say family psychologist staff? why, i mean, maine area chinese students. that is, you see, we are a manger
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teenagers, let's get to the students or alexey sergeevich to comment on us after uh, short pauses, the adopted daughter decided to find a biological family, but she only knows the city in which the party was held. it was in kansk , krasnoyarsk territory, another adopted daughter from kansk is looking for a biological mother, my field, the city of kansk, krasnoyarsk territory, and they somehow decided to go. taking a child from an orphanage to the city of kanske, and the third abandoned daughter dreams of meeting her six brothers and sisters. i am the third with my mother in general, with seven children, the father did not become, and the mother, as it were, also retired somewhere. are all these children scattered across a vast country, one mother, cuckoo i hope that i will find brothers or sisters, it will be beautiful, mother
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which at that time right now rushed into the arms of the united states. naturally, there was a conflict there, because the chinese received nanny from the americans for you the first number, for sure, somehow remembered it all. here, perhaps, you understand , then you will tell us for this, and we remembered it, respectively, the americans, for their part. oh you do. that's how we tell you then, this is what the devil knows, maybe, there is some kind of deep resentment there, maybe not. well, let's see, remember how everything is. massive anti-government demonstrations developed in the prc in the spring of 1989. started as a student protest against corruption students were later joined by workers as well members of party and komsomol organizations on the wave of perestroika that swept the entire socialist camp, slogans were heard and the democratization of public life and the abolition of the monopoly on power the communist party protesters set up a tent camp on beijing square, tian-me, did not live in it for more than a month edition,
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vancouversan in 1992 claimed the rebellion was prepared for six months by forces. the cia she tian-men lived, the ideologist of the color revolutions, ginger the revolutionary spirit of the chinese, then the american press warmly supported, for the first time such a large number of ordinary men and of women in china, young and old professors and taxi drivers joined the student protests, giving their support to what is happening now looks like the whole world. the uprisings against the despotism of communist rule for the renewal of china in an atmosphere of freedom and democracy, protests, as required by the legitimate genre, were replaced by pogroms, riots. it broke out in several large cities at once. china's beijing actually turned out to be in power, the protesters they took possession of weapons killed policemen and soldiers burned buses and power shops went extreme measures introduced martial law on
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the night of june 4, 1989 in the capital, army units and tanks entered the bloody clashes, both civilians and military the west blamed the government. china's population was in turmoil. they could hardly believe that their own army. shooting so hard. many were bystanders. perhaps naively, those who understood the savagery of the situation, it was really difficult at times to understand that it was the army that was attacking the ba. on the civilian population, as if rushing into battle after the suppression of protests in the square and tian-men washington accused beijing of violating human rights. thanks to the efforts of the americans , the image of an authoritarian country was entrenched in china, in addition , the united states, japan and europe imposed economic, technological and military sanctions on china, but an attempt at international isolation. china has failed miserably since the end of 1989.
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the mechanism of anti-chinese sanctions began to falter and the white house was eventually forced to reverse in 1993. finally abandoned the line of alienation of china and set a course for the normalization of relations the united states is making a huge contribution to the development of china in such a way that it is opened up economically and politically stable. in general, the impression is that somehow the united states could not withstand its own pressure, as alexei sergeyevich says, you promised us some kind of analogy again. it’s already someone you know then, it’s just like that, maybe they graduated from the university, but didn’t find their goal in life, because even if jindsharp lived there and cooked something, then cooked something very badly, because these doctors never had a single center, no single requirements. and in general, i
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was then a novice arsonist. yes, i would like to, but how not to dispel some stereotypes about the events on america square and for 2 weeks the tent camp was on the main square of the country for two weeks, and the power of the communist party endured it, people came out the prime minister, lipn, and even the secretary general the central committee of the communist party of china, jaoludian , speaking to the protesters, said that he supports their anti -corruption requirement requirements upgrade requirements. it was the official policy, but the communist party of china and that he would then be fruitful with this. yes, people , after the power came to them , most people dispersed. and so, when the radicals remained on the square , when those who didn’t understand the peaceful appeal remained on the square, only then these actions were taken and now china has received this heavenly hundred, you understand alexey sergeevich here. if we talk about stereotypes now, how time we will here is the famous picture that they like to ride in the center shows.
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yes, yes, no, here first, but before this canonical shot, where the uncle here is this white shirt, there is a general plan, then in general, the planets can be clearly seen that the tanks are coming first. without any resistance on the square , we are day and this guy is standing when they leave the square. uh-huh. this is one of the most probably uh well-known stereotypes, but it could serve well. here is some ah so far. eh, here's the resentment that's lurking each other. here are the americans. they were offended by the chinese that they were wrong there defending human rights, the chinese were offended because they didn’t understand them, and now that’s all , as if there were enmities long before today, but it must be remembered that, namely, the protesters could not prevent anyone parties. china to continue the course. here. excuse me for god's sake here they are on the square, and now it will be just a picture of where this uncle will be. well, not
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canonical, as they say frame. and where does he already climb on the armor. and that everything stopped with us, in general, they could not interfere the chinese communist party to continue the course of democratization of the fight against corruption. and liberalization, yes, they did not have privatization. yes, yes, they did not have criminal brigadiation, according to our model. their population grew rich, but the main thing is that they managed their protests competently. too bad there was blood. but then how to deal with this no one knew the blood. there was. sorry first from the side of the military, because they are there to burn tanks. but then the enmity was laid , the americans very quickly resumed contacts. with china in the same 1989, there went visits at the end of the year, and why was it impossible for china to be needed? and now he is not desperate, well, then the americans were falling apart the soviet union re-
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the soviet union then fell apart perfectly. eh, remarkable without any help a little bit, they sensitively understood where the weaker link was, and they realized that the weak link was the soviet union and there were a lot of common points with china, as the relationship was very good with denusiopin , all these years . he says that he says that the americans turned out to be a difficult dilemma, that it’s not very easy for them to put pressure on the donsion i wanted to, and even nancy had it, and then e world from the great speech answered that tougher sanctions were needed, but her husband didn’t go for it absolutely, and china, for its part, had very severe demands by moving gorbachev to the soviet union and withdrawing troops from afghanistan and then the eighty -ninth course at the time is not at all on time, but uh the chinese put up uh, the chinese then were demanding
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our friends, yes, the soviet troops from the borders with china and resolve the conflict between people. yes, and so on. you tell me now you said that china should have been desperately owed to the americans in 89. now, heartily or not , then there was more mutual understanding . dymsky, the other was very well in contact with the american quietly. quiet. they didn't remember very well how he helped keep some contacts even when there was a four-e gang in china before four. these are the ones that, led by the widow audze-donu, wanted either way, or on my friends, we are now forced. cherished the program. so, look, let's somehow make a separate program according to the latest stories. china now remember the phrase. viktor zhozevich. now china is coming. yes, with this thought , we are moving through the commercial break to
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showed little success in ensuring the security of the continent and suggested that other countries adopt the experience of asia. well, of course, china and it seems that the chinese are already moving from such words to case on the margins of the dialogue form, a meeting was held by the minister of defence. is china's shang fu. today we showed footage here with the ukrainian minister of defense alexei what they were talking about was not officially reported, there are only stories of reznikov's deputy, vladimir gavrilov, he talked to bloomberg and told. that's what it means he says that the ukrainian side. and during the meeting, the quote sought to deepen beijing's understanding of the situation on the ground, and the chinese minister, according to bloomberg, can we believe this? clearly promised to expand military ties with kiev so evrovich. but i don’t know, i don’t call on reznikov’s revelations to discuss here. i’m rather talking about something else. china is infuriating that it can take on the role of such a mediator, the role that breeds the role of the very policeman
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who he wants to try on the united states, but he doesn’t know how and doesn’t know how and is afraid to do it. no, that the chinese are somehow testing the soil. yes, somehow , somewhere, somewhere, somewhere, it will fit. somewhere through intermediaries somewhere to offer something send a delegation somewhere. okay, that's right. yes, the chinese are trying, but the chinese have a second, and it's too early for saudi arabia and the russian-ukrainian stat. these are fundamentally different stories, completely different, and once and twice, iran and saudi arabia are the same. peace be upon him, not only china, there were other respected people who did a lot of work. and so, but in order to participate in such a global conflict as the russian ukrainian, in contrast to regional iran , saudi arabia, the chinese do not have enough political the will of political determination many times this has been said by the chinese. many consider it paper tigers, in part. you say what it is
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about participation in the conflict, and i ask you, yes, about the opportunities to be in china. like, wait, please, vanya just used the word infuriates. so wait annoying. why? because he’s so stubborn and active or infuriates, because he’s a paper tiger, he can’t do anything, but he wants something and shows off, because he didn’t become the way the americans wanted to make him when they started, uh self rendezvous. china with china in the seventies, they not only wanted to make some kind of counterbalance out of it. well, his right. i wrote about it, and not only tried to do it. eh, written in pen in borders. yes , the titanic, as a counterweight to the soviet union , the americans sincerely believed that by drawing china into the world economy, forcing it to play by american rules. they can conditionally, as we would call it now, liberalize, as they did, partly with japan and the germans , reforge it. yeah, and they didn’t succeed, just why they got so angry they still
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can't forget, because you didn't become a thought, the very symbol of what didn't work out. why do they disagree, with which it is simple, firstly, in china it is considered as a state that is trying to become a mediator, which means that between russia and i did not say that. i said he couldn't. that's right, and you say he can't do it. it's not like it doesn't deny that he kind of wants to do it, so i don't understand anyway, he is from your point of view. i perfectly i understand that china, in general, is understandable. on which side it acts on the side of good , it perfectly understands what kind of political support it provides to russia. everyone understands perfectly well. what china makes statements in plain text saying that the conflict is provoked by unwillingness
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to take into account, which means security issues on the other side. it's all in plain text. well, there you still need to find the united states or something, or that china has another mission that it blows china to mrs. or peacekeepers, but peacekeepers, back to the water issue, he’s on this here's annoying. mine infuriates because china, in the eyes of the united states, has taken the wrong side of history, otherwise it must be punished to re-educate to re-educate the whole stream and now china of its seventy-ninth year is superimposed on the historical parallels that are superimposed on the political ones here, and the consensus between the democrats and republicans that china uh, so it must be a threat. understand china a times uh, the events in the square - it's completely different. he did not pose a threat to china then,
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in general, no one is stronger in every sense, as strongly and in a political sense, and you are an economic enemy long before the conflict in ukraine. so what does it have to do with it? so for sure, well, about why the right question infuriates, then look, why the west quickly forgave the tian-men, well, you're right in the story passed already. yes, simply, because china organically fit into, in fact, western conditions, but very successfully here in this western one, well , let's say the model of globalization, let's say the world order, yes, and it became, as it were, part of the factory of the world, and what then it happened, and then after the twelfth year, when the sidimpin came to power, he changed. china rules of the game synthesispin swallowed that globalization is neoliberal. it is beneficial only to the united states and their allies, while the rest of the world is getting poorer. but china is proposing, as it were, a new
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version of the globalization of the one belt community, and the communities of a common destiny, one belt one road , and in fact intercepted the leadership of globalization from the united states after the thirteenth year, and the global majority. here is the so-called 2/3 world, they are free to either in this trailer. and now it’s already too late somehow china is reconfiguring again, now a frontal one begins, well, the ideological value mental conflict of the usa china that is, there is a version of such globalization, for the sake of the golden seven, and there is a version for the sake of the global south of the global majority, which china captured. this is the first reason. why infuriates, but if the second, third, fourth would have been more time, i would have gone all the people back home to interrupt. now we do not know the answer to these questions. so short pause we will summarize. ivan krasko found himself a new
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dragon. but, starting from 2020, the conflict between washington and beijing would be objectively russia would be beneficial if she, if she managed not to join him, but at the same time such a conflict is unlikely in the near future. so here they didn’t say the most interesting thing either, but we will manage not to enter into a conflict, alexey sergeevich, when the usa and china finally disperse into different economic corners. that's when russia's turn will come and offer peace initiatives to act as a mediator. and so to speak , to earn profit from one side and the other, georgievich, if the conflict between the united states and china is full-scale, then we all we have to look for food in the conditions of a nuclear apocalypse. we hope that this will not happen, that they still more or less peacefully resolve their claims or one of the parties will give in to the other in vital interests. that is, america will leave. i hope that never well, or at least in our century, so that this does not happen, because and how, as well as between russia and the united states, because, but this will mean such upheavals with
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which, probably, everything will help to zero desire with someone to fight with someone to conflict. in general, in general, i think, that 10 years by pressing a decade of even very turbulent times. the conflict awaits us when the weak lagging behind. the same side will understand that it cannot overcome the backlog and begins to lose more and more every year , probably the united states of america will turn out to be in this role, since the chinese economy is already larger. unfortunately, we will find this in our lifetime. and i think they still ask for a fight in this style. then, yes, the world was literally visited in its fatal moments no war. i saw a chart here, i don't remember that i'm wondering growth. uh, the g7 economy and the brixx are gone. and here are two two stripes of one, like this, going straight up, and the second one, like this, is going down already today , a unique case here, when you need to tell a joke right here, file it, well, unique, because it is rare. this is an anecdote. surely you have heard, but it
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has not yet been played in our studio. in general, such a young liberal liberal. he went fishing, caught a goldfish, and she speaks to him in a human voice. let me go. i will fulfill yours. whatever your wish is says, i want my eyes to burn all that. i want to be a participant in such a maidan that will give an impetus to its development, and it will begin to prosper . it was a meeting place that could not be changed. we meet on weekdays at 14:00 on ntv. they are pushing back the nationalists from donetsk and stopping attempts to break into saboteurs. fresh data from the zone of their own
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