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hello, is this the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin. my colleague is ivan trushkin. we are working live. and today, probably, that's a long time ago was not the case. i'm just really, really peaceful news will begin today. it is known that on september 10 elections will be held in the zaporozhye region and in the kherson region. well, you know, we have a single election day in september, just the tenth. and now, as announced today, the head of the center of the election commission, illa pamfilova, consultations were held with representatives of the ministry of defense with representatives of the federal security service. in general, the organization

of voting places will take into account, as the main issue of safety for workers. and for citizens who come to vote. come on, we'll listen anyway. voting will be organized only in those places. add risks to life and health, both for military personnel and members of precinct commissions, of significant differences between the way elections are organized in the lpr. and suppose in the yaroslavl region should not be exactly what we are striving for. well, i'll start with a more familiar topic for us about the course of the ukrainian counteroffensive in kiev, they continue to be silent for now, so let's look at what the western press writes. here is the bbc with reference to some european officials. he says that the situation for ukraine on the field is more difficult. and if there are any results, then you need to wait for them to pay attention, not earlier than in 3 months. and this is not only the bbc's information about the same on thursday, writes reuters and interviewed by the agency . experts say that ukrainian troops are far from the main line of defense of russia and the bulk of the forces

prepared for the offensive remains in reserve, it is reported that out of 12 brigades conventional in the west, only three have entered the battle so far. and according to reuters, the ukrainian counter-offensive bogged down on the sixth day after it began, while the western press is trying in every possible way to neutralize somehow the failure of the all-union force, calling hasty conclusions from the situation that we now see not to do. ukraine will be several months before the start of winter, in order to recapture its territories, one cannot judge the success of the operation after a couple of days or weeks. after it began , nothing has been decided yet, and nothing that we now see on the battlefield makes us understand in what direction will the counteroffensive go, but it will definitely be a fierce fight. but the washington post newspaper is already beginning to count ukrainian losses, for example , they use the thirty-seventh brigade of the armed forces, trained according to standards. nato is taken as an example of the events of june 5 in

the bolshaya novosyolka area, where this ukrainian brigade was supposed to break through our defenses. so, as washington writes, just in 20 minutes of an offensive from a detachment of 50 people, 30 were either killed or wounded in an hour of battle on field. the battle destroyed five armored vehicles. we stayed there, in a field without tanks and heavy armored vehicles, we were fired upon from mortars from three sides. we could not do anything, kiev is forced to make excuses, they say. everything that is happening on the battlefield right now. this is such a test mode of counteroffensive. let's listen to one of the talking heads of terrorist president zelensky. we have not launched a counter-offensive yet, as such, and russia says we have already won. we have already repulsed the counterattack today ukraine demonstrates. what is modern warfare? it attacks in many directions at once, that is, today we demonstrate that in the minority it is even possible to go in many directions. this is a unique story, so

it's really a test that allows you to move forward and create panic . well, in ukrainian social networks. now they are discussing in every possible way the possibility of an attack by the armed forces of ukraine on the zaporozhye nuclear power plant and energodar in order to try to get to the rear of our group, which is now in zaporozhye. here are the footage that has now appeared in telegram channels. this was taken from the controlled from and near the bank of the dnieper and on the right bank, and which in this section after the patriot of the kakhovka hydroelectric power station now resembles, well, either the irusty steppe here may not be very clearly visible, or is it some kind of shallow lake and it seems that you can almost walk to the station. well, apparently, the head of gt, rafael grossiy, senses something wrong with the zaporizhzhya npp. here , the general director came to the zaporozhye npp today to assess the risks associated with the safety of the plant after it was ukraine has blown up the kakhovka dam, which means that the tass agency and the ria novosti agency

are publishing these footage that you are now seeing, this is the arrival of the delegation. mgt grosse is going to assess the situation at the station in just a few hours, because today he must leave from there . the visit was originally planned for wednesday, but again, for security reasons, was postponed. andrei vladimirovich well, as far as the military component is concerned, i have finished my report. yes, you just said a familiar topic, but, unfortunately, it’s customary. the bitter truth. such i propose, uh, and vanya a familiar topic, but since, for the most part, well, except for far away, and from kiev there were no more statements there over the past day, i did not offer the press to read. i propose then to be even more specific. yes, the topics are so familiar already stuffing insults. what should i do? let 's take the polish press now and, using the example of their publications, one thing has, unfortunately, become a familiar topic. eh, let's knead a little more, because although it is familiar, there are some. ah,

innovation. there are they can be related. ah, as it were, well, somehow to the area of ​​\u200b\u200badd-ons. in general, in short, the poles became quite calm. so boring routine. i mean, the polish press to discuss how they will attack belarus, that is, we some time ago. well, even sometimes here someone grinned so sarcastically, but who is there more, where will she attack belarus there or not? so i repeat now for the polish media the topic of the attack on belarus as the opening of a second front against russia, it has become completely commonplace. why let's see the material on tuesday, the polish edition of an independent jennik, accused the authorities and poland of preparing and invading belarus, according to journalists, nato in warsaw , under the guise of joint maneuvers, is preparing to open a second

front against russia to the opening of a front against russia on the territory of the main ally of the kremlin , belarus, in order to help the belarusian radicals achieve their goals, as well as enlist their support, the polish government began so actively conduct the exercise the local press is already in full swing discussing possible invasion scenarios weekly. thought polsko, writes that the reason for the invasion could be new large-scale protests of the belarusian opposition, which, 3 years after the failed attempt to remove lukashenka, again accumulated strength and means, the second option involves provocations in those areas of poland where ethnic belarusians live, but the third scenario is a provocation with migrants at the border. polish troops may step up their activities on the belarusian border, for example, under the pretext of actions against illegal immigrants, provocations are also possible in the northeastern regions of poland inhabited by the belarusian minority, at least with the help

of militants generously paid by the government of the third republic, posing as polish patriots and nationalists, alarming articles in polish newspapers. it could be attributed to the classic whipping up of hysteria by journalistic insinuations, if two weeks earlier the polish general had not blabbed about the preparation of a color revolution in belarus we are preparing for an uprising in belarus because it will happen, we need to be ready to support the troops that will conduct an operation against lukashenko the western press drew attention to the rapid militarization of poland, the size of the polish army doubles from 160 to 300,000 citizens. now he regularly sends him to military training, and the ministry of defense conducts courses on handling weapons, survival, hand-to-hand combat. war topography medical care has doubled and defense spending has doubled from two to four percent of gdp due to reduced spending on

association poland plans to spend 4% of its gdp on defense, which is twice that and the nato figure raises the question of how warsaw will finance the changes and what areas of public spending will be cut ahead of the elections . costs are too low. so i'll just remind you once again that it's an absolutely established fact that the polish mercenaries not only take an active part in the battles. against our the armed forces are not on the line of contact, but they are also participating in attacks by all sorts of sabotage and reconnaissance groups, including the one that took place in the belgorod region. now this is beyond doubt. that is, the hands itch. of course, you can remember how chernomyrdin said that someone's hands itch a little bit in another place. yes, but it's like there later, i see. here at first. they must from

an hour, there are no hands to move to more active actions to gevor poleevich, to wait a long time everything is already prepared. i don't know about belarus look across russia, the impulse of itching hands , you understand, everything is being prepared just 100. where these itchy hands will be applied, it means, yes, no, what are you, like small children to god, i am not. yes, yes, so look around belarus, uh, around belarus, the poles cosplay - this is actually us in what sense? they pose a threat to belarus in the same way that we created a threat to ukraine from the belarusian direction to transfer, yes, troops and so on, straining the ukrainian front, forcing brigades to be transferred in the north direction to protect the rejection from the territory of belarus the poles are trying to make about the same difference, that for us it was an objective necessity. the poles have to support kiev

they are not going to invade the territory of alexander's belarus for one simple reason , within the framework of the russian nuclear doctrine, nuclear weapons are used for the allies. we have relevant agreements with belarus, no one will give the poles permission to start a war with russia on the territory of belarus. yes, and the poles. this is not necessary on the eve of the election campaign. if you yourself made this comparison try to act like these ukrainian dobrovos. everyone, when crossing the border with us in the belgorod region, they shove and leave, but who will remain alive, if he remains from the territory of poland to the territory of belarus , they can but not try. again, the polish authorities will talk, but we have nothing to do with it. we see who it is? it’s some today that for the first time a drone with explosives flew into belarus somewhere in the tension area, if the situation is tense, this is not an invasion. it won’t happen, but the poles are under the sauce of everything can be a threat from the territory of belarus to the conflict in ukraine then they are really engaged in building up their own armed forces. for

what? and here are the options, just laying hands on the armed forces. poland is needed. in any case, powerful either to put pressure on germany or to correct the situation if it collapses there. uh, let's just say that the order in eastern europe is safe, or the best option is when the ukrainian regime is a gaper after some time. if they do, then it will continue. happening now e on well let's put it this way to the east of poland, in fact , for warsaw, it’s just an excuse for aleksey sergeevich to somehow get there . you also said in the interview before the interview that poland is generally interested in the end of this whole ukrainian story as soon as possible. right. i have you in what form then yes? well , how does it all fit together? the fact is that we really like to see. uh, some long running plans, you know. here is some kind of military polish american, which is planning everything far. meanwhile, now we are in a situation, and the fogs of war. yes, here are polish and

etc. andrey vladimirovich, you don’t need to read anything at all, it’s harmful to read. we say, come on, this is generally about military operations. yes, fog of war. but meanwhile we are all now in this suffocating fog nobody knows what to do. no one knows how to achieve their goals and the polish mercenaries and the army are trying too. they are increasing, yes, they will increase the army, they will need the army so that later, when the situation with ukraine is going on, they will portray themselves as the eastern flank, and such is nato anti-russian they want to become the strongest in europe now they are not the strongest army. in europe, they will have several hundred abrams tanks. they will have a huge army of 300 people. they, accordingly, want to overtake germany to overtake france to become the leading power in the region, as for this provocation against belarus, which they do not plan. i will agree. eh, george. they will not do this, but not because they are so literate and smart, but because they do not know what to do. nobody knows what to do. they want to help ukraine support, but how to do it in such a way as not to provoke russia, not to start

, the third world war, quietly no one now we already have a brilliant mind , and every day this fog of war. we are getting closer, asking a little there, well, an offer. article yes is written in plain text, therefore, and no one knows what to do. and everything is bad. it must end, but in a manner acceptable to all. so viktor zhozevich verbally no one knows what to do right away and raise his hand, viktorovich always offered to bomb. what, what. i was never offered to bomb nato countries, uh, the way your old consultations would result in uh. the answer to the strike on russia is the last thing russia needs now, as for the real and not very threats from poland. what threats

are not very real. which other nato countries are in direct confrontation. they they understand perfectly well that a direct attack on belarus will cause a direct military direct military response from russia; they don’t need the option that i called you sabotage groups to win the state somewhere on belarusian territory. we have nothing. there is a third, more dangerous one, with regard to sabotage groups, with regard to sabotage groups, sabotage groups may well act. they are already operating, you understand, sabotage work is already underway on the territory of the republic of belarus, there is already undermining the railways. there already try to stabilize military communications in order to prevent russia from the belarusian army, and so on from the side of ukraine , ukraine and belarus have a border. you no longer need to send anyone with your territory. they can well why is this here.

why then all this increase in the army, there, i don’t know, maybe long before the special military operation, they relied on a significant deterioration, a radical deterioration in relations between russia and the west, and they considered that it would be for them, no matter how it happened , no matter how the story unfolds. they will be the beneficiaries. they will be these are the purchasers, unfortunately, their bet was justified thanks to the conflict. the west and russia really, as already mentioned, have become at the head, in fact, the eastern flank. nato receives very significant military support, economic financial and other moreover, they are trying, trying, using already trying and will continue to try. using this situation to strengthen their influence, the influence of poland in ukraine in belarus, they also want, if possible, very briefly about the option that can really pose some kind of danger and what needs to be taken care of in russia right now. when it comes to the color revolution, do you understand? well, here it was somehow. so,

the very concept of the color revolution is not to be included. not just an uprising or some kind of demonstration, the color revolution is built on the assumption that some part of the elite ruling this or that country is ready to unite with the rest and throw off overthrow the current presidents or the government, when it means that now, in the situation that has now developed in belarus, this is the edge. it is even unlikely that there were protests 3 years ago when there was an occasion for elections. they were suppressed now, even more so, but what is worth taking care of russia potentially. nobody is eternal. we do not know what will happen with god bless him with alexander grigoryevich, lukashenko, but is there a transit in belarus at some point ? it is extremely important for russia to ensure its interests during this transit, and we need to prepare for this. for good. here in such situation poland and other countries can potentially use their influence, at

least try to use their influence to further destabilize the situation in belarus and and and. excuse me, but in russia it’s really any potential scenario in time from what you said, that is, it turns out that the polish thought or whatever the thought of the arams from what is happening without engaging in real military actions is going to all alexey sergeevich, we can still face becoming the strongest and largest army in europe here, let's take concrete examples, as a matter of fact. poland from such a rear country of nato is becoming, in fact, its advanced side. on monday, at a meeting of defense ministers of the visegrad four, poland agreed with partners on a new strategy within the framework of a secret nato document that was prepared by the alliance in early june. this is the same tome with more than 1,000 pages describing the options for a war between russia and nato, according to poland's statement. now she has a special mission, knowing our goal is to create the

strongest army in europe the international arena is being strengthened, as is our army, and we can fight for the historical truth, so that we are not treated in this way, but rely only on our own strength, warsaw is still afraid and is preparing a project, a permanent military base. they want to place nato at the very border with russia in the city of aletsk. close to kaliningrad and while in poland there is a permanent garrison of the american army. warsaw says that the new base should strike fear into russia for the sake of it. poland is ready to take on all the costs of construction and further content. nato garrison, i spoke with president biden, prime minister trudeau and our other allies about staying in poland on a permanent basis, such as in south korea, this is important for stability in the region and in general in the entire eu, which is a key trading partner and partner on the security of the united states and canada, and on the eve of the newspaper in wofrit, the journal found out

that poland was in full swing behind the scenes intrigues before the appointment of a new nato secretary general, warsaw was allegedly not satisfied with any of the candidates so far proposed, and she 's trying to promote her man. he is more opposed to the appointment of danish prime minister metta frederikson as the new general secretary. it undermines the alliance's needs in the face of russia's invasion of ukraine . in addition, denmark has defaulted on spending. on the contrary, warsaw wants the alliance to be led by a politician from the eastern flank. nato andrei vladimirovich in kiev, do you have any sources? and in warsaw, more than well then, so report, firstly, those, uh, publications that were quoted here by this publication, so to speak, marginal publications in poland, these newspapers. we read memorized. yes , with regard to belarus , two things must be understood here. i know the belarusian position well and it has been completely destroyed, it is not there.

now it does not pose any threat to the country first, but. secondly, there have been no migrants on the border between poland and belarus for a long time. there is a wall, but there are no migrants there. and third. what else? and probably it is fundamentally important that the belarusian-polish border fundamentally different from the russian-ukrainian border. excuse me, they won't pass there. there is a slightly different security system than we have with ukraine on the border. so, with regard to warsaw warsaw of course, i agree with everyone here. i know this well. the poles, they want to become part of the trio that the head of the european union will take the place of great britain, they will get it, they will get it. this is the third place. they will be the leading trio. to do this, i will immediately clarify military preparations. here in that form in which we observe them, but, because otherwise, i understand, they would increase the amount of military equipment purchased, and so

on and so forth. and here these are concrete preparations not only economic, but also the population for some kind of military action , of course, because in poland there is an almost complete emotional concept that its main originates from russia, well, this is an absolute reality that must be understood and accepted , which is why the government is so easy and successful in promoting all these solutions. and. by the way, with regard to the military base, er, just really, so to speak, as one of the polish specialists said. and from this military base, the haimar will fly to the center of kaliningrad in 2 minutes, so that it is clear what the estimated time of arrival is, and you want to say that poland will take a chance , no, no . there are many more, i think. i'm talking about something else, that this is also one way to troll with russia , so to speak, russia is nervous. this is one of nato's goals today will threaten

us with a strike on a russian city ; poland is threatening with nuclear strikes. well, let's just wait. uh is moving a nuclear missile. let's wait for tomorrow. tomorrow there will be a very important meeting, not themselves, but a meeting of the ukraine nato council. and there is a lot to show from this, finally you said 2 days. well, tomorrow will be 2 days already. tomorrow we will all listen to the president, but not start. here's how they are right the second andrey vladimirovich is hiding behind vladimir vladimirovich that it will be in many ways significant, because it is at tomorrow's meeting of the ukraine nato council that poland, e.g., will present its very tough position on a mandatory number. fine. well , let's talk about nato a little later, we'll talk about it today, but igor sergeevich let's just say a little bit. hmm well, slightly different points of view, but the main

direction is one. so, here they want to troll russia and get some kind of preferences to grow on a european scale, your opinion. i'm always in the studio and not only in this studio i said that the poles are not some exalted gentlemen who do something under the influence of emotions are more trying to pursue an absolutely pragmatic policy; its goal, indeed, firstly as a result of the crisis, russia the west, if it succeeds at someone else's expense, uh-huh and by proxy, clean up those territories that they consider their eastern kres . they really really want to become one of the leading countries, and they are accumulating weapons in the european union for this. and they are going after all not due to cuts in social spending. they are collected at the expense of other western countries. do we are at the forefront, there and

so on and so on next hmm the poles, while they perfectly understand that the united states does not need such, poland is so big. well, yes, they perfectly understand that the united states. poland is needed like cannon fodder. after e is exhausted for the united states, the ideal situation of russia's military operations with a non-nuclear state, as now with the kiev regime, when the kiev regime runs out of steam, you need to throw poland into the furnace and from here, by the way, it grows, that same proposal is again purely pragmatic, but as for the military base of the united states, which the poles are ready to pay for themselves. and it's not now. remember, just born, uh, still when the trumped trump. they were going at their own expense. the first one is for what, but in order to slow down the united states to throw the poles into the furnace of this

war, because then if your base is located here, the american base will be hit by insurance, but here there is one very big one, unfortunately. but the poles are always pragmatic, but it has long been known that this pragmatism went sideways. they pursued in 1939 an absolutely pragmatic policy that great britain used. unfortunately, for whom . unfortunately for the whole world, because it ended with world war ii. that's what it's about, therefore, the likelihood that this polish pragmatic policy to do everything at someone else's expense will turn into the fact that we will have to fight the poles is more than great in that they were simply captured by the czech republic, that is, some were captured, damn it, not we will give, please, friends. still sat sat quietly

calmly, suddenly flared up. well, viktor well , different things of the czech republic compared to the czech republic compared to the poles, such innocent lambs are almost there, they divided correctly, they grazed , they ate grass. then they came and it means that the chukchuk did, and the poles did not eat grass, they, based on their pragmatic goals, as they thought, constantly provoked everyone. that's what they said, world war ii. tycho alexander yurievich well, the poles are to blame for the czech republic too. i'll explain to you, a separate program. we talk about it regularly it happens. who is to blame for what is happening there? well , first of all, i want to reassure the citizens of russia and belarus, if someone attacks someone on that border, then this is not poland against us with the belarusians. and we are with belarusians. wow calm down, okay. well, yes, of course, in his system, our current doctrine is to fight not on our own territory on the territory of the enemy. this is the first second. uh, when someone is

a hyena, he is a hyena in everything, not only in eating behavior, even in a dream, he still remains hyenas and what polish people depict today politicians. this is the same parasitism. thank you for showing this. and about the second second preparation for the nato summit in vilnius of the supposedly new nato strategy for defense against russia, in fact, this is an updated strategy of the seventies, so there is nothing new at all and the poles parasitize on this very strategy, because within the framework of this strategy they become this very eastern flank, indeed, and they demand money weapons attention political dividends, because they become the eastern flank the defense of europe from terrible. but this is a decoration or a real fortification. that's because and therefore this is a real weapon that comes into poland in a large number in the same

way. uh, why isn't this happening in romania because they are still hoping for a squeeze. e, odessa region e western coalition. otherwise, this will happen, and in slovakia, in romania, they are really preparing for a war with seriously, they are afraid of it, and please, do not slander sergey karaganov. he suggested, uh, options for a nuclear strike against poland in northern germany or things dedicate the deed of course, let's in order for us to do it. there we will choose quotes there , something like that, yes, in order to prevent this world war, that is, the nuclei said so, yes, a nuclear strike, everything is exhaled. we will now take a short break. come on, we'll talk a little more about the upcoming lieutenants themselves will develop your idea. there andrey vladimirovich should tell about what happened to his friend. what news did he learn from him from stoltenberg, a short break and we will return.

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, the place where everything becomes clear and we continue this part. let's start with a new amazing height, which we took to show whether this person or not, czech president petr pavel, he recently discussed what to do with the russians who left russia for other countries. and they continue to be there , so this person does not see anything wrong with the fact that you in every possible way infringe on discriminate in some way. it means jumping on their interests, because they say you have to live according to the laws of war. i believe that, as in the case of a number of world conflicts in the past , during the ongoing war , security measures for russian citizens should be stricter than usual. so for all russian citizens living in western countries. you need to watch much more closely than before, because they are citizens of a nation waging an aggressive war. i may feel sorry for these people, but at the same time, if we look back at the time

when world war ii began, then the entire japanese population living in the united states was also under a strict surveillance regime. this is just the price of war, an example that peter pavel cited about the japanese in the united states, he really amazing, i will remind you of 120,000 japanese during world war ii, as soon as the us proper entered the war, they were , uh, relocated from the places where they lived in what is now called such a light version of the constitutional camps in the barracks, they were forced to abandon their property. they lived there practically in the middle of nowhere, and not everyone was able to return to their homes. here , as peter pavel calls for the same fate , the russians who left, not far from him, should also act. in general, the adviser to the head of the office left, and terrorist president of ukraine. mikhail podolak. he says that the russians need to be destroyed and as many as possible. actually , this is the main plankiev. all these plans that you can talk about something do not

exist, there is one plan to move forward as hard as possible with the maximum killing of russians on this route on the topic of the route. we can't stop somewhere and say, well, that's it, let's now think about something and talk about a minute of human love and humanism is over. and today it's not me right now. this is news such. yes, well, this is also news that we are used to. so let's go, so we're going back to the upcoming nato summit so we've got the previous part over there in one of these. polish stories said that the poles do not like one of the candidates. here is the prime minister of denmark in fact. yesterday i already read to the point that hmm, jens stoltenberg might be asked to stay for another year, i read yes, yes, because there really is a problem. they cannot agree to choose some person who would lead the nato bloc, e.g. supposedly. this was one of the topics that

stoltenberg discussed with biden during his trip to america, though. this is not the main thing, probably was the topic. let's take a look at the material and then , according to tradition, we will give the floor to andrey vladimirovich. the issue of ukraine's admission to nato became the main one at a meeting in the white house of the american press , assures that stoltenberg offered biden a compromise option to accept ukraine, hardened in battles and armed to the teeth, into the alliance, bypassing the standard procedure. when exactly stoltenberg did not specify, but hinted, that this requires freezing the conflict putin again and again declares that he does not believe in the idea of ​​​​an independent ukraine of course, if there is any pause in the war that will allow the russians to recover, then it is necessary to minimize the likelihood that it will attack ukraine already has the ability weapon training systems and command control according to nato standards to allow it to defend itself, according to the newspaper, the new york times in the biden administration are ready to offer ukraine

the so-called israeli security model without limit military assistance. west without the need to join the truth stoltenberg about this option at a press conference following the trip. washington did not mention it, but the reuters agency salace , following its sources in the new york times, claims that instead of accepting, the alliance is preparing a plan for long-term assistance for ukraine. the israeli model has a ten-year u.s. security commitment to ukraine that could be shorter, according to administration officials, the idea is to convince putin that the flow of weapons to kiev is not the fact that unity on the issue of ukraine's accession to nato will stop no is also evidenced by the fact that when it comes to the dates of possible adoption, representatives of the alliance each time find excuses, then refer to some stages and formulas, then they speak abstract and vaguely, then and completely evade the answer. although the western press has repeatedly

replicated the thesis, not the cream of the fateful decision in july. the nato summit in kiev seems to be also tired of waiting and demand specifics from their curators. see we understand we take a pragmatic approach to the fact that during the war he will not become a member of nato, but we want to understand for sure that the war ended , the war ended fairly fairly, which means on the border of the ninety-first year with the restoration of ukraine's sovereignty and the beginning of the transformation of russia, and we want to understand exactly . at what specific time will we become a de facto and today from yura, we will become a member of nato, a colitary plan, a clear program without invented map formulas, without invented formulas. let's talk here. oh tomorrow we'll say something else. well, at the same time , we remember him again. first. here is today's performance, the most rigid advance forward with the maximum means of killing by annihilation. russians, that is, this is such a requirement for nato well

, andrei vladimirovich tell us what insights you have, firstly, he really can lag behind, and for another year, but he is still the best nato secretary general in recent decades. this person, who did not allow a single crisis within the alliance , worked very effectively. but it's temporary decision in any case will have to resolve issues, then it will be more good. that fateful decision will be discussed tomorrow, after all, there are only two options left, and the first option is a security agreement on conditions for guaranteeing the security of ukraine, which is included . the first is the supply of weapons, the second retraining of the ukrainian army, which means after i, the third completion of the completion of the transition of the entire ukrainian army to nato standards by the end of the twenty-fourth level, this is not an agreement immediately there is a guarantee to

security. this is a warranty support agreement. there's no guarantee of security, because the security supplies are themselves, yes, what do you mean wait a second? let's make everything clear. what kind of guarantee of security in the supply of weapons. this means that if more weapons are supplied to them, we will cease to conduct our spices. and so on, so that e russia will not be able to realize its plans for a special operation. there is a second option now eight alexandrovich wait there is a second option, which is more suitable ukraine is the so-called. e. now it will be discussed tomorrow, but guaranteed deferred membership, that is, it sounds like it is making a decision that ukraine ukraine ukraine well, actually. listen to me, please, that ukraine we will give you ukraine is not a constituent member, but with the main tea. well

listen. well, it's okay, you understand what kind of veroninia these words evoke, because it's all creativity and bureaucracy to tell ukraine we won't take you, but so that you don't feel offended. it's very on you interesting. in fact, it is also interesting for iphone that you are part of the alliance and after 2 years probation there, as poland insists, more on one would be automatic without voting. switching to automatic was nothing. there are problems. listen, i say again, let's not say that it never will be, because it will never be now not automatically now possible, completely unconventional decisions in relation to ukraine are guaranteed to mean traditional membership in the next part, but, nevertheless, periodically. now

here they tried to object there. come on, this is generally some kind of circus with horses in the movies and the germans are guarantees that are not guarantees, they do not guarantee anything, except for the right of ukrainians to die, they do not guarantee anything else, which means that deferred membership is nothing at all. that is, believe us, and we will promise you so much more that you will be thrilled at all. we promise this, we promise this, and forward the battle. but they really all say that there will be some fateful regimes there, there will be one thing, then there is one and a half, that is, half of this once again cheat khokhlov why why? a? because why are they needed in nato with a war with us? ukraine can enter nato only with us. that is, the fields completely agree, that is, the battlefields move from our territory. yes, yura is our territory. yes, russian in nato that's zashib. eh, in

general. it is all condemned, all this is all chatter. this is half of the decision that will be made there, that is, once again throw khokhlov and promise them everything. and here is the first serious thing that you had in the plot nato is returning for the first time since the cold war to a doctrinal confrontation with russia, which is serious because it triggers the financing of weapons production and the increase in the army. do you remember from the old fascist barrel saying that you need road bridges tunnels. and this is also being launched, that is, the improvement of logistics, maybe then this is what it is. wait, maybe it is. i do not dispute that this is serious. well, maybe that's a good thing, because it reminds me a little. that old cold war can at least well understand the rules of the mechanisms. yes they didn't kill. this may well be the rule at another stage, but it means that ukraine

is becoming an external territory. and the baltic states become an external territory in relation to the nato defended space, that is, somewhere along the territory of the foreground alexei sergeevich i completely understand that people laugh at how nato constantly teases ukraine's membership yes, these phrases are rather comical, but we understand why this is happening? let's have a moment of political realism. here we are listening, but far away, and he says, our the goal is to return to the border of the ninety-first year, as we believe. here someone believes that this is generally real and possible, no, no one believes, but someone believes that, and perhaps that the security zone that the russian president proposed. and as dmitry medvedev suggested, it will pass, and in the lvov area , well, maybe someone is not playing. it also so far seems like a possibility of that. at least in the short term, not very large, which is probably likely, and a ceasefire , a ceasefire is the first stage resolution of any armed conflict, what is further possible peace agreement. under what conditions, under those conditions that will suit the russian side, all these phrases about

the postponed guaranteed incomprehensible is necessary. russia included, but was able to agree with this, it is very important for them that the formula of peace that nato does not offer, nor ukrainians, suits everyone, including some kind of russia, but there is no guarantee. and this, perhaps the milestones, was simply said by the milestone of this year. you yourself remembered the crafts, so today we showed two pcs he demands this kind of membership calendar and at the same time it is necessary to say that it is necessary to kill as many as possible. we are ready to be motivated so that this kiev regime, which is the representative who says it is necessary to kill, as many russians as possible will get something similar to some kind of pending membership. for us, this condition is unacceptable, because the doctrinal goal of this regime is to kill as many russians as possible . for us, this is unacceptable, for them it is unacceptable, and leaving behind us new territories, and a ceasefire and for whom not acceptable termination. fire is a forced

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all when ordering. you will receive free shipping. call by phone. or order on our website lemax.ru. this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. we continue. now we would like to consider a slightly different topic about our ideological confrontation with the west, which imposes its values ​​on us. in the broadest sense of the word. here is but before we start. can i give you a few of my values, you impose, because it seems to me that i haven’t done this for a long time. and very soon the program of local meetings is going on. ah, a well-deserved vacation, but my program is of a different format, on the contrary, the workers will take advantage of this chance. stop being related to her. i am everything i see how you laugh there, imposed values. yes, i want our viewers. if you will have a rest this summer in the crimea , let us know that we can

somehow combine useful and pleasant things there. uh chart. we have a meeting like this july 20 - this is evpatoria and pushkin july 21 house of officers lot sevastopol july 23 city palace of culture feodosia july 25 direct birthday on the anniversary. chekhov theater and dk shipbuilder kerch on july 29, i will later, maybe somehow remind you, i won’t remember. yes, you can see it on my website. andrey norkin.rf in my social networks and uh telegram-channel of antonov richar khaschenko, for which many thanks to him. so now. come on, we still will not forget about the main such political economic event, which is now being held on our air at the st. petersburg international economic forum. now i own several messages from there and then we will move on to our topic. yes, the forum is in full swing, and, as we know, it is always rich in some quotes and in the events of the president's speech. we are waiting tomorrow. until then today

head of the central bank. elvira nabiullina discussed the possibility of a new privatization in russia, but not the same as in the nineties, but targeted. well, let's listen to the head of the central bank. i think that, of course, it is necessary to privatize, and we have something to privatize without harming our strategic interests, because sometimes they say that we should not privatize because we have not fulfilled some strategic tasks. we, uh, have the ability to do that. and to the question. it's not just income budget. this is not the first task. a question. uh, really. the development of a private initiative of private business nabiullina's idea was also supported by the presidential aide for economic issues. maxim oreshkin, he argues that the state has some inefficient assets. and so, in order to use them effectively, you can privatize them and transfer private hands. closer of these two positions is andrey leontyevich kostina, who spoke about privatization, but not in the form, not large-scale privatization, but exactly in the form that the vegas spokesman was talking about

inefficient assets used by the state for the benefit and benefit of the state the idea of ​​launching a new wave of privatization. today they already commented in the kremlin. but there, dmitry sergeevich peskov was very careful in his wording so as not to squander state goods on the stage. but what it should eventually fall into private hands and become more profitable more efficient to create new jobs. this alone means, well, actually privatization. we are always associated with the 90s and for many it causes a shudder, but actually news is called in this topic the ministry of justice reported today about the verification of the yeltsin center located in yekaterinburg yeltsin times privatization. that's all it means. again, they will be on the subject of the activities of a foreign agent with a demand to check whether the yeltsin center falls under the status of the agent and to establish whether there is a violation there . earlier, state duma deputy from

the sverdlovsk region andrey alshevsky spoke ; yeltsin center inogent, but also his closing with it. he agrees, all the deputies of the communists. the telegram channel about the news, citing a source, writes that the verification of the yeltsin center is taking place formally and the goal is to recognize him as an agent of the ministry of justice no, let's comment, the ministry of justice itself and listen. as for testing, we started it. i don’t remember which of the deputies sent us such a request, but we are really checking. she goes deep. we don't hide anything. this is how andrei, through the privatization of the nineties, approached the issue our values. yes, but rather not a question of our values. but it is precisely the confrontation of our attempts to resist, to those values ​​that are piled on us from somewhere from there , we are here with our colleagues, well, to a greater extent.

of course, they, hmm, came to the conclusion that these are ideological constructions. they are, well, as if conditionally speaking on three pillars. resting means that the first whale ideological value is human rights. that is, here , everything is mixed up with what is happening there now, the second kit is, uh, elections, then there is the institution of elections and the third is the market economy. that is, in general, these are right, good, necessary things, but somehow, in their performance, they are not very suitable for us. at least here we have such an opinion. let us then this time. now i'll break it down into three parts, let's break it down into whales. and those whales too. forgive me, lord , parry. what's happened? let's start

with minority human rights by naming it pride month and all those who stand for the lgbt plus agenda are now unchallenged in the capital of america recently , the lawn of the white house was occupied by transgender people, they were taking pictures with joe byte along the way, filming a video of how they joyfully dance topless. in the white house, i can make a short video, hello mr. president, this is a great honor for the admirers of human rights. and in contrast, russia this week, the state duma unanimously passed in the first reading, a tough bill that prohibits doctors from performing gender reassignment surgery except for the treatment of congenital anomalies. children even in the soviet union in this sense it was easier, they did such an operation, but only after a consultation of doctors are they going to forbid adultery in official documents. after the start of a special military operation, russia has changed and those guys

who today defend our country with weapons in their hands. they must return to another country , not the one that was before the start of a special military operation in the state duma . interests of the country dia. volskaya policy, let it be carried out in the usa, let's see how it ends to no good. this will not hold a solid satanism care must be taken. if you want, by banning all this fornication after the start of a special military operation in the house, they began to pay more attention to bills aimed at preserving traditional values . lgbt deputies adopted in november last year

unanimously and with lightning speed, a special military operation is taking place not only on the battlefields, but also in the minds and minds and souls of people, and today, in fact, we are fighting for the fact that in russia there should not be, in the words of the president, instead of mom and dad, the number one parents parents number two and parents number three, a couple more high-profile bills to ban propaganda among minors hoped for. free, that is, the voluntary refusal to have children. i am the recognition of feminism extremist ideology on the theme of feminism in the fields, held in st. petersburg international. the new economic forum was discussed by the official representative of our foreign ministry, maria zakharova, in modern western society, but this clash of people by gender and so on, that is, an aggressive reinterpretation of nature, including women. and what did we, for example, feel something? well, in fact, these crazy wild features

that vladimir spoke about are not only about feminism. well, in general, that's in the whole area which concerns human rights. here i am everything was going to work, as in london the city hall is called so and the city hall is called. yes london johnson was mayor of london well yes. in general, there they have officially issued an instruction. they are forbidden in this one. how to tell within an institution on the network? hall yes, thank you victor in general, you can't. there now use the words men and women, which means citizen. but wait, a londoner is also not allowed, because that means londoners are somehow a wave. in general , there are many different examples, but you can’t say men and women, you can’t write it documents, but these are really some crazy and wild excesses vladimir viktorovich why should i do this? like they do, not like they do, right? if we do not need ours, we try to form

the law somehow. tell her what scares me. uh, remember how we all were about ukraine that ukraine is not russia, they tried to emphasize this in every possible way. there is a feeling that we are trying in every possible way to emphasize that we are not confused, we are not talking about them, and more. they go crazy in pursuit of these values. how do you say impose push through there advance topics. more we strive. uh, on the contrary, ban this and everything else. that is, we are in such a wild pro-antiphase, the more. they try, the more they try to do this, if more and more crazy people run around you, which you don’t really like and seem to be dangerous big ones, you try to protect yourself somehow, where they are with us, this is with us, i don’t see we don't let them into the studio. they all hang out there by the fence , they say zombie apoca. they just don't rush. nevermind. well just understand, uh i don't see the point in what's going on

with us, somehow. this problem didn't exist. nobody told us immediately. recognize there that the parents do not exist. rather, that dad and mom do not exist. there are only parents number one and number two. eh, it is more than this impossible to impose on us now in the current conditions. so why ban all this. how about mechanos? because how much. i read yours before the interview. it was so peaceful. you're just saying that we're not going to anyone there shoot and put in jail. then why is it clear that, uh , there will be no mass executions that will save speeches not from the mass ones. there will be single ones , it can’t be somehow, in fact, here, uh, clearly the confrontation of two worldviews, the christian worldview and the anti-christian worldview. here, i looked, uh. yes, mr. volodin was listening now. yes, vladimir vladimirovich spoke at one time. e. it seems that these people have already begun to study theology and, er, western ideology is compared

to satanism. eh, not the first time. it sounds yes religion, on the contrary, as vladimir vladimirovich said in his time, but indeed the western world. for a very long time he gradually abandoned christian christian morality. uh, it didn't happen yesterday, not the day before yesterday. well, that's understandable. here is vladimir hiv, uh, doubt is expressed where we have these negative things. manifestations and are they really on such a scale that we need to be imposed and not just yesterday and the day before yesterday and not only in the nineties, but, unfortunately, more recently, this is a fact and yes , indeed, when they say, uh mister. tolstoy said, yes, what should we, that our fighters should return to another country, because there will be no other. but the fact that this country must finally find itself , our society, find itself in uh, find its own, uh, worldview. and this worldview is definitely christian orthodox christian, this does not mean that a person is not

needed. it seems to me that the answer is also not to be forgotten. let's not forget the muslims. we have a lot of regions where let's try to expand so that we can. here is volodin talked about the attitude to the dish. if like this, yes, yes, in general, and what else, apart from attitudes towards fornication, distinguishes us from a western person. that's where we are different. here, yes, human rights is a philosophy of the worldview, what else can we not only tighten up with laws, if something is different and something needs to be banned. or maybe nothing needs to be banned viktor ivan sergeevich well, you understand, very different topics were touched upon here, for example, the topic of feminism, they said maria vladimirovna zakharova, our wonderful prestige torbida. isn't she a product of feminism herself? 100 years ago a few years ago imagine that a woman would be the head of the chair pressin.

you listened inattentively to what feminism in the west acquired 100 years ago or 10 years ago 200 years ago in our country, as in most countries. wait for the west. well, uh, the fact that a woman heads the federation council in our country would be completely unacceptable. yes, no one came up with it. and the fact that a woman heads the central bank. and the fact that we have a mister of culture is a woman. you understand this. it's a coincidence that there are now far more women in power in russia than at any time in russian history. it is clear that we had an empress, catherine, but only women are in power. how long has it been gone now? isn't this a trend? yes, it is not happening. we have the same as they do, but the trend is known. how to relate to the fact that she understands there are things that the west has a lot to learn. and there is something that needs to be rejected, well, let's say the car was invented in the west of germany, now i'm

a percentage history attitude to rights a person, that we still should not be the same as they need from this person, to defend themselves and at the legislative level, good human rights. after all, it is very wide. understand? this is how human rights are now interpreted, as if they were only rights, as some kind of very narrow, little-known to anyone category of some people who want to change their sex. the vast majority of human rights - who is this? what does others use correctly? you don't want to be left behind, do you? objects this is also some conditional canada, as far as i know, they have very liberal policy now regarding drug use. right up to the fact that these are the machines. well, what do they call vending machines, yes, machines, well, where can i buy some there? yes, he already installs automatics. not just there, i don’t know about the medical maritime department, but from syringes and there , all this is explained by the fact that this is a concern for

rights. here are the drug addicts. yes, so that they buy there, like clean products. well, they are like, well, we have wait, i say it again, i say it again, i want to understand how seriously problem for us. ah, is it true, we have a lot of similar manifestations, which we so far softly call insane wild ones there. is there so many of them that we have to defend ourselves with some special laws ? andrey nikolayevich and this is how the feminists of the suffragette of a hundred years ago are aligned with what is happening , it’s like comparing, for example, classical modern islam exists with its russia with the igil movement of the banned russian federation because try to answer me. and for what rights fighting modern feminists. and what rights are actually deprived of women today, and how are they limited? please stop, you know andrey nikolaevich if they are not fighting for anything, you understand when a certain

lady comes out to you, who strips to the waist, says that in this way she is fighting exploitation. i understand that man is fooling you with what we talked about, this is not here a month of gay pride. this is not a fight for prague. an ideologeme that somehow promotes certain narratives collapse exist or that's for sure. just a gathering. sorry fools, who have not been found in anything in life, fool. and how to show that they still have fools there, but when a president stands next to these fools, a nuclear power and says that this is good. this means that the nuclear president has been promoting this agenda and pay attention. for example. here is an example of modern finland, why , for example, the promotion of transgender laws and the rest of the lgbt agenda in finland coincided with finland's entry into nato and the growth of russophobia there. and, because first you are declared. here is such a progressive agenda, which turns out to be the only possible one, and then everyone who

speaks or disagrees with this is declared an enemy. then where is this fiction here, that fiction will come out, that the gpt agenda said that there it coincides with the agenda, if you don’t like it? well, sorry, these are your personal problems on the rights of transgender people. finland promotion expansion of this traffic accident agenda to kindergartens is happening, yes, i understand drinking. no need to interrupt me and kill. i said again and there is nothing calm. once again i told you. you don't need to silence your thoughts. i can also raise my voice , i said again, both are promoted by the same politicians. they are the very politicians who are pushing this story forward. the same politicians are promoting in nato the same politicians are promoting. ruslan, stay, we're moving in

a circle, let's go. we mean again, ah, there are, uh, different examples in the western community. yes, here viktor zhozevchik is absolutely right conservative poles, hardly will rejoice. if they run around somewhere in the old town of warsaw, these are the creatures there with boobs boobs. this is not not a little does not correspond to them either. that's why i say we really have so many of these negative examples so that we can defend ourselves against them, let's, for now let's anton valeevich. e some thoughts, because here we have dealt with fornication or we have conditionally figured it out, but regularly we hear that some kind of manifestations of western culture should be staged with films, if not banned, then put some, i don’t know, not more than a certain amount, when the filter is only a certain movie or some holidays are not ours, maybe we need

it again, these are not my thoughts. this is what i hear just regularly, including in this studio, will it come to that within the framework, again , of the fact that we are trying to delimit western culture and western thinking, i will definitely answer this question, but we need to start over here, and can be the statement that some comrades are trying to instill in us, because that some, well, comrades have the right to their opinion. it means that in the west there are some values, different values ​​from russian ones, and these bastards of russia are these values. we are being introduced all the values ​​that at the beginning of the program were told by human rights, elections, that there, the third one was an excellent economy - this is quite universal. i said that it is quite a human question in general. about values, and you are interpretations of how they are rightly applied there one way or another until relatively speaking, this whole thing is all this disgrace and fornication is happening in america in canada somewhere we should not worry at all, in principle. russia acts in its external doctrine

of foreign policy. this is that in every country everyone decides how he wants to live, and this should not be us at all. we can laugh at it , but no more than that, but as soon as she starts all this, of course, trying, under the guise of some good ones, was exactly the same with us to introduce. we have every right to defend ourselves, to include some tools accordingly, but now another question arises - all these tools, including those that were announced today, they solve this problem or do not solve the protection of protection, right? or is it more some kind of anti-scientific more populist approach, maybe because of good intentions in fact. like tea fries. but really, what if we ban every single fry? well, that is, there is an ass, sorry, the expression is no, as it were. and this will solve the problem of fertility in the course, for example, uh. here are those who offer it, what, for example, and in america last year the birth rate of african americans, it would seem that these myths. yes that they are growing. and less than a nationwide problem, the problem is not who says what, but the problem is in completely different

factors, for example, in the fact that, accordingly, people are moving to a new stage of socio-economic development. completely new rules, but new approaches to your life. and here it is necessary to fight for some kind of bans, and for some alternatives, including ideological alternatives, one of the deputies, by the way, suggested that it is a good idea that our advertising should use the image to the maximum large families. oh well, what's wrong with a calmly alternative point of view. hey, can you implement it? and this is the correct approach. regarding prohibitions, i believe that any prohibition of this kind should be based, if it is adopted on two whales, once such a word was used by the first keith in the scientific discussion, that is, first those people who understand this, psychologists , sociologists, sometimes their scientific assessment is not deputies who do not understand this and who are also subject to mythology, and the second point is, if this ban is introduced there should be some kind of mechanism of regulatory influence, sit down in 2-3 years.

here it is clearly according to the law and see if it led to those changes, but against well, for the sake of which this law in uh, it means it was adopted or ineffective, yes, and if it didn’t automatically ban uh, turn it off, because we are now in a situation that is on the sly , especially on the sly, there are a lot of different proposals, and all this exposes that this whole ban is rooted. where, that russia is anti west russia is not anti west russia is not anti usa and not antipov but the us is not anti-russian. we have one side anti-russia. this is ukraine. we want to turn it into something that, yes, it is a direct route there, in fact. and you understand, what kind of thing you need to finish. we have the opportunity mikhail anatolyevich objected or not? no need everything let's break now, because otherwise it will break, in general, the whole conversation alexander nikolayevich, too, after a pause. from

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maybe before the elections, but i am absolutely convinced that the popular support of our president and practically legitimization of the virtual head, the commander during the hostilities. she is very needed. this is not the first such proposal of fair russia since last year after the start of the special operation. thinking about canceling the postponement of the gubernatorial elections, which were to be held in september 2022, is one of the arguments, if the direct elections of governors are canceled, this will help save money that would have gone to the military campaign , the authorities did not support this idea, but the condition of a special military operation. come on, we fall the legend of the vote to hold elections. with this money, on the right to our army, similar initiatives are being taken in the regions, so in yekaterinburg they proposed to cancel the 2023 elections to the city duma in order to save 200 mln rub. to spend the elections

of the city duma on the development of the city, i propose to postpone them scheduled for 23 on september 10, but i believe that this money, which is so necessary for our russia, must be saved. why because a vivid example of these 200 million will practically go to the polls. and we often have such a difficult situation. i don’t know, there are more radical proposals from ukraine. so konstantin malafeev during the presentation of his book. he argued on the topic that russia has always been a monarchist and the country should be ruled by a monarch and the most worthy contender - this is vladimir putin , i certainly think that the most worthy and contenders for being the emperor of modern russia is vladimir vladimirovich putin alexander nikolaevich if we said in the previous part that from some western values. we probably now. well, we are not refusing, but we are trying to somehow dissociate ourselves from the choices that we are used to.

is it also that we are moving away from them a little, or here it is necessary to separate values, a separate choice separately, as you think, well, in fact , the agenda electoral in russia a. at least at least, everything above the governor's choice. in general, from my point of view, it is devoid of any sense, because to choose someone and low . it seems so to you, yes, in fact, and what can you object to? here mironov, realizing that, so to speak, no matter who they put forward there, this person is still not there, he says not the slightest chance of anything, which, by the way, is completely within his competence. let's give votes to putin in general. it is quite obvious that if putin nominates his own candidate, this will be his decision. here are the results of the elections, no alternative is a foregone conclusion, and therefore even good there he

is bad a lot for him a little goes with a military operation there is a military operation. there's just no one. so maybe it's great that we're not going to have to choose between uh biden's alzheimer's and all the rest of them and go through this election campaign. is it wonderful or not? i can only say one thing, that today the political space of russia is absolutely uniformly uniform, again with me, yes, badly not absolutely, but in my point of view from my point of view. this is bad, could you just explain the calculation then. yes, it would be absolutely non-international, and today all the talk, let's say our ukrainian friends have a dash of enemies about the fact that you have to get up there and change something, they are meaningless,

because no opposition, at least least sane does not exist, at all today. what to talk about alexander for sure, you know that for many years we have been ukrainian, but, as it were, ukrainian reality. ah, presented as such a role model. see. what ukrainians are critical of people's freedom, how democratic they are, how politically active they are, they have such a struggle, at the same time. you yourself said that a more strange education than, as it is customary to say now, ukrainian politicians. it still needs to be found. what for, i need to have the same mess of these half-witted ones and i will do something out of them during our life , nothing like the ukrainian scenario here will not be.

i would like this not to happen, and throughout the life of my children and inner happiness, you also know happiness, i wouldn’t wish this, but mikhail anatolyevich maybe, yes, let’s, because in fact this is what we don’t like in our opponents. we just like it. eh yes, indeed. uh, just now we were talking about worldview, but in ideology, yes. values ​​uh, that u really our country is returning to our understandable deeds, that it is traditional spiritual different values ​​\u200b\u200bthat have already stood firm today. yes indeed returns and and that these values ​​are the basis of our ideology. here, the decree of last year, these are ours, as far as ours is concerned, they don’t know, there was some specific one i wanted to say. it is precisely our value not to be a remarkably russian er, conservative thinker of the late 19th early 20th century end. petrovich said that parliamentary democracy is certainly the great lie of our time. and what does he have? and what are the difficulties? you today is an election between

hairy worms. yes, mustachioed only exclusively from the fact that he has more money for opportunities. e propaganda itself . well, she is on the opportunity to re-pr, of course, this is not a choice for sure. it's not a choice. but the fact that yes really we now have yes. uh, an established political system with rudiments already in place. in our ideology, is it quite normal whether elections at the local level, as local self-government are definitely needed are they probably needed, uh in the studio a long time ago said that for the citizens of russia, changing the issue of change of power is not in the first place. i can no longer recall. i don't remember the phrase. so you are anton valeevich. i wish i could just oppose. well, first of all, let's be frank when we talk about the values ​​of returning to traditions. it's all good. and correctly, you still need to understand which one and which historical period. at the beginning of the program, e was talking about

the christian worldview. so that's the christian worldview. it is different, not even from the point of view. there is orthodoxy there or uh, catholicism or some other branches there, well, in a historical perspective, because strictly speaking in russia in the russian empire, before peter the great, respectively, in general, to such things as the lgbt and the relationship was and the church was very loyal. home but it was not a deadly sin. e more than, for example. e, respectively yes, yes, yes, punishment, punishment, and punishment by sin , the same distortion. you will hear me, please, i said, quite a clear thing, do not allow any double things, it was considered a sin, but it was not considered all mortal sin. like for example it was so much more as well much later, what are you saying, in general, i say again, it was a sin, the same for example, right? well, what will you say?

well, to teach history to relate to the audience, i say again, let's treat history not as mythology, but by studying the punishment for all these things in the russian empire appeared under peter i, and under peter the great it was removed with a rolling pin, removed with a rolling pin in military regulations, respectively from that very hated west, it’s just that you’ll just delve into these very right colleagues again. yes, quiet elections elections. i will not continue, you understand, russia needs elections and not because some kind of irremovability of power comes from me, because choice is a mechanism for preventing and eliminating those contradictions that exist both in society and among or not, even in the soviet as far as the union seemed to be an authoritarian society, they understood that the eternity of the change of power must be formalized by elections. yes, these are not those elections, you can be amazed at them, but it’s formally, these

were elections and the last thing about alternative or no alternative vladimir vladimirovich yes, today it has no alternative, but does it mean that how should the elections be canceled? no vice versa. so in this case, it's just that the elections acquire a referendum character, than people trust to continue. this is the correct answer. and there are so many choices. how much do we need now, because we have municipal elections, elections of regional leaders. that's how many levels of direct voting we need. or you can exclude something from this. this, again, means in the order of the discussion, and the steps - this is a question debatable. it seems to me that the levels should be maintained is another issue that is debatable . do we need so many deputies, for example, at the local level, that is, in the number of these mandates played out, because the more these mandates actually are, the more powers are actually eroded, and on the other hand, at the municipal level, sometimes powers just come up there is no money, so this is actually a question of the reform that e was launched in the system of public power.

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. degree of economy for the needs of the armed forces, and so on. so, under these conditions, we need to partly refuse this market freedom and use those tools that we had well worked, developed earlier. that is, as if planning. let's also look at this topic on the story that russia is at risk of slipping into a planned economy, as the head of the bank center elvira nabiullina warned in soviet times at the st. petersburg international economic forum. i'm not talking about the risk. uh, as a last resort, the restoration of a planned economy. it seems that this is impossible, because we have everything on the market. in fact , it is enough for the state to concentrate the right to make decisions at home. which industries, which projects need to be developed and where to direct financial resources instead of private initiative

and up to my point of view. this is a big risk discussion about the partial return of the planned economy. they flared up last summer, when deputy prime minister denis manturov, the head of the ministry of industry or bishops, said from the rostrum of the state duma that russia would have to move away from the principles of a market economy, at least in several important sectors. today it is necessary to make a turn from an absolutely market policy to a policy of ensuring technological sovereignty. but the longtime critic of the financial and economic bloc of the government and the policy of the central bank sergei glazif calls on the authorities to be decisive and even radical. measures up to the nationalization of the test, business does not go to the aid of the state at a critical moment , otherwise the state still has the right to analyze that part of the business that works for the enemy, indeed, including those very power plants that i spoke about, which are already in direct opposition belongs. let's get back to you. just at the very beginning,

when you were talking about human rights there. it's still some kind of emotional sphere. there is such a mess, and here the sphere should to be, sort of, like a rational absolutely yes and from the point of view of a rationally planned economy in my understanding. she's not viable right now. here is an absolutely planned economy so that the state determines. how many whales need to be produced in the russian federation in order to meet the needs of ourselves, if we are not projects, but about what is related to the conduct of hostilities, then this is not quite a planned economy. it's so manturov and say that we do not completely refuse. and that's good. just there nabiulli on the same talks about the risks there to jump to this planned economy. just look here what the trap is, in principle, it would be convenient for the authorities not to buy from enterprises some products necessary for a special military operation, but to give the task that they make so many

raincoats and so many sleeping bags -some tanks and everything else manufacturer. also, probably, will not be against such ordered money. well, he won't have enough. well, if we are moving to a planned economy, then we can say, so you have the salary will be such and such you will produce so much and not beep. we are here, but not, the market that sets the price and so on about it. yes, when a value is set, it's just a temptation taken from somewhere and that's it. lik agrees, but there is a trap in this, because then gaps are formed, some of which andrey nikolaevich madam. thought it almost looked like no. criticism of franklin roosevelt from his opposition in the thirties, when they told him when he pulled the country out of the great depression. everyone argued that he was trying to translate, united states of america on the rails of a planned economy. here is a very interesting moment. we will talk about privatization again, but about market instruments. you see , here i would like to hear at this moment. give me one russian inefficient

enterprise that you are planning an example. give me an understanding why and i will explain, because we have a market of the nineties with people with the fact that it is an effective enterprise that is first of all snatched up and taken away, as people had heartburn. sorry, she didn’t come from an empty place, so i’m sorry nervous reaction. as for planned or non-planned economy, you understand the transition to a planned economy. in my opinion, it is possible only in the situation. if the conflict goes into a completely different phase. it will no longer be a planned a mobilization economy, and it will be forced. and there is already sorry no one will ask anyone about it. now we are trying to maintain this balance, but i want to say that we should rather be afraid that we do not have a bias there. because here are the supporters of the market, the more the more free, the better they hold their positions, and it has not justified itself anywhere in the world for a long time. these absolute free markets do not exist anywhere, not in a politically non-canonical sense, one way or another , regulatory instruments are released somewhere, namely, often instruments of pressure. look at what was done against russia

last year, where is the free market. he didn't spend the night no, so it's absolutely everything contrary to the market somehow correct on this subject in terms of what we can take? west or is there a western market economy? is this correct, but we must look from the point of view exclusively, as well as on the previous topics, exclusively from the point of view of russia's interests, not because somewhere in the west they also have different views there. in japan, one attitude to e, the role of planning in the economy of the united states, another russia needs to look at, based on its current national interests, which model is more suitable for us, and so on. this is a condition. well, just about market e or planned e, the mechanisms of the economy now and they argue because we have such conditions to lay down russia is in a very , very difficult situation in the foreign economy , as a full-scale economic war is being waged against russia, explain to me that means if you are a person there, a country

an enterprise, it doesn’t matter, you find yourself in some difficult uh living conditions. don't you think it's more logical to act according to a certain plan, and not rely on some, which means mechanisms that somewhere will regulate something, of course. this is not one. it's not black and white. there is room for planning unconditionally and within the framework of a special military operation and even before a special military operation and after any company. how much she needs some kind of planning, however, there are some elements of planning. there are elements of the free market. they vary depending on the situation. it's not black. white, here we have an economy , like in the soviet union in the seventy-fifth year, when the vast majority, there 98% of all property belonged to production, in fact controlled by the authorities, either either, like anywhere, like a completely free economy, where the minimum belongs to the libertarian model, it is obvious that neither one nor the other in

the current interests of russia differs. therefore, the economy will undoubtedly change. she's already changing about it . representatives of the economic sector also speak here. yes, not in black and white format, alexander nikolayevich, in the last part, you called for somehow abandoning everything. well, actually no. i didn’t call for everything to be abandoned, he leads a dictatorship, yes refusal is bad, but the fact is that today , i think, well-adjusted uh moments management of the economy in what the state is interested in, if you have something larger , a hairdresser or a snack bar, then one way or another the state finds ways to regulate it, and absolutely rhetorical questions of gazprom are that a market institution of a corporation. what is it, a market company and so

on. here is the uralvagon plant, which the tanks supposedly make. but this could absolutely be wagons, allegedly doing, but they did tanks. you didn’t say later that i got tired of it all without an alternative and produced the car back, he alone makes these tanks method the moscow metronist of the second metropolitan in moscow has one clear. he is the state. well, what do you want, in fact, to turn the state, russia at the start of the operation. and with what was not, allegedly not enough in a bulletproof vest and so. well, probably now placed orders. and in the end , it is not very important who makes these bulletproof vests. the main thing is that they are of high quality. the main thing is that they should be of high quality and the boots should not be lined with cardboard, as was the case in the first world war, but the principles, and

the state has mastered this system quite well and more, as if there is no need , moreover, i want to reassure everyone who is worried, because the state-owned joint-stock companies. untouched. this is basically the opposite. the interests of the state economic elite, we have a huge myth misleading that the state is too much in our economy, in fact, it is not, including recognized by the world economic bank. it's all these numbers about what we have there, that 50 60 70 under the state is all complete nonsense. in fact, it's completely different if you walk down the street to shop for anything. there is a cafe, everything, the rest is all private, and thank god that all this private means, and the first main thesis. let's understand the concepts, as a free economy is really nowhere a market economy. nowhere exists virtually everywhere, it is a hybrid story, that is, with elements of a planned economy. but when we talk about a planned economy, we are interested

in the soviet economy in our heads. this is the kind of economy of course, nowhere in the world today. well, with the exception of the dprk, it is no longer present, it has not shown itself to be effective, the most effective market model with state regulation, but an example of a rocket. indeed, the state should not order and say what you should do. packages yes e.g. here, but if the state understands that these sneakers are needed on the market, the state creates tax conditions , then the state order means anything in order for either production to appear corresponding in volume, or from somewhere came, respectively, import. you understand that this import will not close. that is, these are also elements of a planned economy, and in our country these elements are prosperous. so this means further everything quite right, a pure planned economy or a mobilization opportunity. in two cases, only in two cases, either wartime, when these are completely different in peacetime, it’s bad, or when the country is completely closed behind a fence and people who live in this country do not see what is happening there, the dprk is our program. i i understood that it was built on the principles of a planned market, because we will now plan a bull there, and

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readjust. we can, uh, the russian people can return to their traditions. and the fact that western traditions, in fact, western traditions, they are close to us. but the fact that now the pendulum of the state in society is swinging very sharply, then love for the west and the desire to adopt everything good and bad, then hatred, hostility, the desire. uh, everything good and bad has to come from self-interest from what we need we are not out of the complex to analyze the time of peter the great's veil of the celebration of the new year. and this is what we will never eradicate. yes, and we do not want and do not need christmas ah. vladimirovich , i will be brief, we are part of western culture, we are an integral part of western culture. you just have to accept it and come to terms with it. let's go over here. i didn’t prepare honestly, i’m always ready

, i’ll tell you now, i said at the beginning that prices unite us in the west much more than separate us, and victor is absolutely right, we don’t need to swing back and forth, we take all the fall into the look. he said that the discussion was in a break of some kind of gastronomic correctness of your discussion. they talk about themselves. i just wanted to say that i will probably not be able to, unfortunately, out of myself and live a strong love for egry wines. i tried here uh, sparkling. it can be seen that it is necessary to buy exclusively from us, thanks , after all, to the efforts of the french monks. i then really western value. they are very all in one. i then about difference of value. in general, the village man returns. from a trip to the city in the evening the whole village he is going to. well, listen to his stories and tell him. and what's in the city here

, well, that's the most wonderful thing there, he says the most wonderful thing in the city - can you imagine a sex shop, they sell artificial women, they sell artificial men, they sell artificial men, i haven't seen i won't lie. well, they probably didn’t bring it, because there were spare parts for them. lots. it was a meeting place that cannot be changed 14:00 ntv weekdays goodbye. the international economic forum has opened. what are the key issues on the agenda? builds