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[000:00:00;00] today in our program trans on the island, biden met with the leaders of central asian countries will the united states be able to turn kazakhstan into an anti-russian outpost in the region? they are asking for help to resist pressure from russia and china. bad advice, the terrorist zelensky demanded to deprive moscow of the right century in the un security council. what reforms await the organization in the near future, russia destroyed the status of the un rise and fall 30 years ago, yeltsin marked the beginning of the october revolution. why did dear russians fall out of love with the first one so quickly ?
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president of russia watch right now. hello, is this meeting place on ntv a place where everything becomes clear? i'm andrey norkin my colleague ivan trushkin, as we warned in advance, is absent today for good reasons, but even in vanya's absence we will still work live and start with what i call this information block, and, unfortunately, the news to start our today's program, the unpleasant ones less than an hour ago it became known that the air defense systems in crimea had to work because a missile attack on the headquarters of the black sea fleet in the city of sevastopol, in fact , the governor of sevastopol mikhail razvozhaev told local authorities about this. i ’ll remind you of this again, but they ask residents not to post,
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but footage from the scene. this is, in general, a long-standing request. and it seems like everyone agreed with this necessity, nevertheless . on social networks. these shots appear there , an interesting point, uh, the comments are in ukrainian. thus began explosions explosions explosions in the city center, but there is no information about the damage caused yet, it is reported, again from the words of mikhail razvozhaev, that presumably a fragment of a rocket actually fell near the lunacharsky theater. the very center of sevastopol is sending emergency services to the scene of the emergency . the authorities asked residents not to approach them if debris was discovered; all information should be sent to the number; 112 is also asked not to go out. do not appear in the city center now and do not leave the buildings, since another missile attack cannot be ruled out. today, the ministry of foreign affairs of our
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country, uh, made a statement regarding the words. uh, the head of the european commission, mrs. ursula von derein, uh, these words of hers were called a disgusting and dangerous lie. now. in fact, i will tell you what mrs. fonderley spoke about at the atlantic council forum. well, some of the events there were dedicated to honoring the japanese prime minister, who took part in this event. so fondalein hmm there was a very interesting passage there . hmm when i started reading all this this morning. i didn't believe it at first. well, because, well, you know, all this is really needed now recheck 20 times, and then, when i saw what you see, now all my doubts seem to have disappeared, of course, the statement of our mid is correct, it’s unlikely to change anything. well, come on, mrs. fondaille, we ’ll listen. you invited us to your homeland in
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hiroshima. where are your roots? the place that has in many ways defined your entire life and career ; many of your loved ones died on the day the atomic bomb wiped out hiroshima from the face of the earth. you grew up hearing the stories of survivors and wanted to share them with us, wanted to open we look to the past to learn lessons for the future. this trip gave a sobering start to the g7 itself, which i will not forget, especially now, when russia is again threatening to use nuclear weapons. it's disgusting. it's dangerous. and in the context of hiroshima it is unforgivable. this, of course, is the aerobatics of what we call nonsense, because what fondlein e said means that russia bombed, uh, hiroshima. well, of course, they can say that no. this is all wrong. she simply did not name the country that she was launching an atomic attack on, but rather a bomb on japan. russia now threatens the whole world there and therefore there is nothing terrible here,
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moreover, it again uses these words about disgustingness and danger . okay. let's give another example then. it so happened that somehow, probably, meade’s assessment can also be attached to this statement, and mr. stoltenberg is the secretary general. nato also just said something about the expansion of nato. uh, the version is this, and this was never expanded to the east. it's just a strange east themselves. eh, they were part of nato, the difference, of course, is global. come on, we’ll listen to him now too. i am dissatisfied with the way things are going in ukraine. but it is russia's fault; nato expansion does not give russia a reason to invade any country. i think there are certain contradictions. even if you think nato has made mistakes in the past. this does not give russia any grounds for invading another democratic country. this idea that nato is now aggressively moving
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east. no, it is the east that is coming to nato , democratic free decisions. well, this is such a disgusting, dangerous lie. i think no one in their right mind would argue that this lie is disgusting. well, yes, because people seem to be adults, they are in positions, well, it’s not appropriate to behave like that. why is this a lie, it can be dangerous. well, let's gradually move on to the topic of our discussion. and we talked to you when this week we hmm talked about how events would take place within the framework of the general assembly, and he we talked about what was planned there ourselves, and the americans with strange central asia and so, uh, disgusting dangerous lies, as a tool, of course, it is used there too. well, i wanted to tell you a little more now about how this one went through it themselves. and what exactly is the united states offering to our neighbors and, probably most importantly, what the united states
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will demand from our neighbors, please show us. joe biden held a meeting in the 5 + 1 format, that is, with the leaders of petit of the central asian republics, kazakhstan, uzbekistan in tajikistan, turkmenistan and kyrgyzstan on tuesday, discussed economic military cooperation security development civil society and the main counteraction to russian chinese and iranian influence on the region, biden was very pleased with the negotiations and announced that the united states is returning to central asia. i believe that this is a historical moment, we are developing many years of close cooperation between central asia and the united states, cooperation based on our common commitment to sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, then how exactly washington will develop this cooperation. later it was clarified in the white house in the usa that they plan to create a special business platform that will allow american businesses and investments to gain a foothold in the peak asian
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countries in admi. biden's walkie-talkie does not hide the fact that they first of all need quote critically important and mineral resources regions and their uninterrupted supply chains . there is a very strong potential, the market here is large and the more connections we have between the countries of central asia and the united states, the more cooperation we have, the stronger will this market, the more investment it will attract from outside central asia, so we we are working on all this in parallel with the economic interests of washington, developing central asian military interests. in august, in the american state of montana , exercises were held with the participation of the military of kazakhstan kyrgyzstan tajikistan turkmenistan uzbekistan as well as mongolia and pakistan , the political publication previously wrote that washington is seeking construction permission from uzbekistan and tajikistan there are military bases in these countries, and in july it became known that tashkent was purchasing
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american weapons. so stanislav olegovich, come on, you always know how talented, somehow uh irritate the interlocutor. thank you, thank you, but they have already returned, the united states, as they will enter central asia, says, firstly, they did not leave. secondly, a very good card, a good card according to the guys' card. return the card really makes an impression. look at these same central asian positions. they used to be called central asian a and now they are just between russia and china yes , they are strong countries that have their own interests in them, respectively, where should the poor a peasant to go, an uzbek to a kazakh, and so on. and, of course, uh, the united states here is obviously perceived by the elites of these countries as such, but the third balancing element. this is just very bad for the poor peasants of russia and china. yes. he just has to try so as not to be torn into two parts. yes, you sent it to three. no, not 20 triangle. it's such a stable structure in that sense. it’s clear that here, uh, there ’s vectorization on the leg, which many criticized in
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this case. in my opinion, it goes to plus and i i don’t see a single one, by the way, a mine. here, so that these countries are for some countries, so that they are supporters with three large states of the third vertex of this triangle or there is the third corner. well, china and russia. i see them here on this map. usa. i don’t see them, so uh, in your logic, and then i understand that this is really a second. these must be military bases. so if they agree, it will be a military base too. well, in general, how is your relationship? there's no way i'm going to go. well, in general you are a little aloof about everything, like i i just don’t think that military bases in i don’t know in tajikistan will be directed towards the russian federation, but it’s not difficult for me to ask them who they are going to, well, these countries, which, respectively , are negotiating with the united states, including, probably, on military cooperation was also about this . why not cooperate? why do we give his best money to the states if they give, say, to the army? well , we want russia to give this money. i
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think it's better overall. uh, how do i, if i i understand correctly, it’s easier, well, convenient. in general, it’s like a case of uh, it’s possible that cooperation is somehow developing, all this, all this to say. so that in case something happens, in order to still have the possibility of escape routes. it seems like i don’t scold the wrong ones, i don’t scold the wrong ones, so, first of all, on this map. here you showed russia, kazakhstan , and where afghanistan is, which is simply not indicated, but , because it is one of the somewhere here, well, this is one of the factors, uh, very serious security factors for those countries that they border on it, so this is one of the factors. uh, which they are looking at, uh, including the americans, and the americans with them nissan. how did the americans leave, uh, can the americans ensure the security of tajikistan on turkmenistan, i say, i don’t understand, what does cooperation with the americans have to do with it then? we, according to - in my opinion, it wouldn’t be the relations that play a role, no matter how bad it may sound in our direction, because no united states
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will ensure security, including central asia. countries and and they still have their own territorial claims to each other, for example, kyrgyzstan, kyrgyzstan, tajikistan, and no united states can provide security, and in these countries this is well understood and this is a deterrent for the efforts of the united states in this uh hmm on this territory. but it means that what is happening is clear that the americans and this, by the way, is spelled out. in general, even there is a line, and the meaning of the program, which was launched back in 2022 in september, in my opinion, one of america’s initiatives prescribes all sorts of goodies for these countries. so the meaning is clear that to tear off, let’s say, these countries, as later stronger from means, as they are represented from our sphere of influence. so we need to worry already or it’s too late, we need it not only for this program. same there in this case. yes. in this case, all these countries see opportunities for this, we maneuver and get certain benefits for ourselves. what kind of promises there are there
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, some pretty penny promise there to invest. getting it all down is important for them. they will talk. yes yes yes. we need it there too turkey, but the risk here is completely different. nikon is not there, may 9, yes, as far as i remember, when i was watching the parade, they showed how the leaders were. uh, the state strangers went to the alexander garden with vladimir putin. they were all there. that's who was sitting at the table with biden now, they were all there and they were all very energetic, very happy, smiling. i understand, of course, that it’s a holiday. here they all sat like this. serious what does this mean or not? it doesn't mean anything, uh, it's actually a speech. here i am still, i’ll finish my thought, what we need to be afraid of is not the economic assistance of investors, but what we need to be afraid of is the humanitarian influence of the humanitarian influence, from which the soft is strong there in this one program that i mentioned. there is one of the points, for example, this is intensive a training, which means the youth of these
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countries in english, including this means, if we pay attention, this is bad, because this is not bad, not learning english stanislav olegovich if you now ask such questions comments. i have a question in general to your professional competence, because you know english too well, because just because i come to life, because english is not a question. how to learn any language is not a question, but how it is a tool there in order to and that means changing public opinion, if we look at the same kazakhstan let's finish the last one. he just knocked me down, and you ignore him. to distinguish something, i’m a well-mannered person, answering questions. so to kazakhstan if we will look at the latest signals, they are very bad, because some concerts are constantly changing under the pressure of public opinion, for example, in russian and so on and so forth, this is important, because as i understand it, i am americans and
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ukrainians, while we sleep work very well. honestly, you outlined, uh, those moments that, maybe, then , uh, let’s immediately take this next story about kazakhstan separately, let’s look at it, because of course this map shows how kazakhstan is, well, so huge compared to others state of the region and therefore for americans it is valid. well, you want goal number one, you want it, the main ally there is a potential partner. show me, please. on the eve of biden's meeting with the leaders of central asia, acute giorno published an article in which she discussed the new possibilities of american policy in the region. according to journalists , washington considers kazakhstan to be a key ally while russia and china are busy with regional challenges. the united states can establish stronger ties with astana. usa needs a new approach to the heart of the eurasian continent, where they have historically had much less influence than russia and china, will be progress in changing us strategy given that in the
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2021 interim national security guidance . central asia has not been mentioned at all recently. the americans made frequent visits to kazakhstan; the secretary of state came there in february. blinken, at a meeting with president tokayev, praised political reforms in the country, and at the same time frightened of possible russian aggression if we let's allow russia to get away with it. principles of international law, this opens up the prospect that moscow will continue to consider further aggression against other countries two months later, when a delegation from the american treasury showed up in kazakhstan, washington’s rhetoric changed sharply, and the machine was warned about the risk of secondary sanctions if the country suddenly decided to help russia bypass the restrictions introduced later in washington declared their readiness to offer kazakhstan an alternative to relations with russia and china, including in the energy sector. they ask
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we have support on the issue of sanctions, assistance in finding a way to resist pressure from russia , china is being asked to provide them with alternatives. the united states and kazakhstan have long-standing relations in the energy sector, and therefore washington is working to reduce astana’s dependence on moscow in this area. energy - this is wonderful, but blinkin’s statement is that russia will continue its aggression there. here is another example of a disgusting and dangerous lie. yes, what did our foreign ministry say in e. viktor chego they said that soft power, but, in principle, their soft power, probably, can be presented there in this form of disgusting lies, in your opinion. more serious than the deployment of military bases. the united states is interested in minimizing the influence of russia and china in central asia, firstly, at a minimum, it is not worth helping them in this, including rhetorically, it is not worth making a statement, it is not worth making a statement about gifts from the russian people that
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cannot be returned it’s worth it, but to engage in rhetoric with a russian flavor about migration in russia because people of both the older generation and the middle generation and in general, the educated public in central asia is still very good at speaking, in principle, the russian language. and they are very good at reading and listening to our program. they listen to others too. and when they hear it. they understand that this is not just about the fact that people are some kind of emigrants , but their nationality. and when they see it and when they hear about this attitude towards themselves. what kind of emotions they may experience in relation to future relations with russia and i don’t really understand this. how can you not are you happy with the tone of the discussion? well, if i were an uzbek or a cossack, and i read all this and saw everything, this of course, you gave an example of our program. i want to understand you, the tone does not suit you. fine.
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you are not a kazakh or an uzbek negro of applied years or we don’t need to talk about this topic at all. you can and should probably talk about any topic, but not in that a-a no with such shades as it is happening with us now election season and very different, but we don’t have that, election season is the most there are different politicians in the state duma. and that yesterday you were just absent from this part of migration policy, because disgusting things initially use this topic to promote themselves. and in reality. there are few serious reforms in this area, but the russian and russian friend’s statement is a permanent and modern statement and something needs to be done about it. otherwise we will turn ourselves away. we help them. i understand, another small remark about soft power. yes, americans invest a lot of effort in raising new young people, educated central asian elite, they expect that these people
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will come soon enough. there will be power there in not a year. not tomorrow, not the day after tomorrow, but then they will come. they have already done this in many countries. russia needs to work very actively, but russia is now doing something. in this direction. we need to work much more actively in this direction with new educational programs. and it is necessary for the youth of kazakhstan to also be in uzbekistan . i understand everything. that means it’s good for the youth, the future , the youth, spheres of influence, and not to release these spheres from the zone of attention, and older people should not be offended by some kind of russian hints on the one hand. to be honest, i didn’t really understand what exactly i was holding. about our program. well, come on, on the one hand, i will support my colleagues, really. here we have an army as a striking example. we need to work on the other side too. let's not panic and remind our tv viewers that the countries listed above are actually located. eh, in a good sense of the word. now i’m not talking about uh, that means gifts to russia and so on are good sense of the word. and we need it and they need it,
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but depending on russia, the energy infrastructure projects of russia and china are therefore talking about american intervention in the region. we should also note that it will not be easy for them to take this region because they will not wash it, because you will not try to crush all the above-mentioned countries, first of all, kazakhstan, but this is a fact further. i would, of course, like to criticize my colleague a little. sorry, but to say that american bases on american bases on the territory of tajikistan is not a threat to the russian federation against the backdrop of the special military operations taking place today. and let me remind you that it all started there, after all. that's why nato came there. on their tentacles, but this is naive, at least further, as for far away, there are too many examples when creeping bases are creeping up, yes, in certain countries, easier, i agree with mr. stoltenberg that it was
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the eastern countries themselves who were creeping up, rafik is innocent. yes, that means he jumped on the knife there. yes, it turns out like a little man they just criticized racism here. still fair, it turns out. we criticize these central and eastern european countries, which means they also have no sovereignty. not actually and so on supports you heard no. yes, let's put it again, my thesis said that it is naive to say that american military bases do not pose a threat to our opposition in the context when an american military base is located on the border with russia . this means something just like when there israeli military a on the territory of azerbaijan is creeping up on the border. no one is sitting in iran. and so he naively doesn’t comment, what do they say? they don't play for us at all. of course, they think that it’s not for the sake of iran. naturally they will be there, i’m afraid. i'm afraid about you that earlier you simply won't have the opportunity to comment. this is different than what you teach me. how are you before? yes, you are completely off
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topic. and i’m very much in the know and i can give you a lecture on how it is and what they’re discussing on central television, but that’s not about that now. the main thing, the most. the main thing is, don't be afraid nothing, despite the fact that you can carry absolute heresy here, no one is afraid of you. i’m not talking about the military base, but about your opponents, because i’m now a gentleman in golos and i heard a little metallic notes. well, if he runs to investigate, i will honestly say that i will stop and tell you about the danger. let's do the last three times. yes, i also heard the words of my colleague. uh, the next ones, and it’s even beneficial for us that these countries work. as much as possible for everyone, let them have great allies and it would be beneficial for you and it would be beneficial for them it would be good if the american’s approach was like this: guys, work from russia , work from china, it’s beneficial for you, but americans don’t behave like that, effective work. america's relationship with any
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country necessarily leads to the fact that for this country to work effectively, the united states will need to lose something, in particular. working effectively with russia and china will definitely make things easier. please take it take him to some button so that he takes a break elena vladimirovna well, let’s bring it all down to problem of discussion, and i think now there is a problematic discussion going on. well, i'm all for discussion. let us all know very well that there are heated discussions going on in america, including on migrants, there, uh, in iran too, in turkey and in kazakhstan, so this is not a matter of discussion. uh, and the fact is that there is a very big struggle going on in the region, and it is just beginning, of course, the structure is completely unstable, unstable, because where the americans promise to return. first of all, they are lying. they didn’t really leave, but if they mean their manas base in
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kyrgyzstan, which they opened under the pretext of an operation in afghanistan and closed about 9 years ago. well, maybe, just this example, and they work very closely, but this is connected not only with the americans. this is china , this is turkey, this is biden. i put something into these words that we returned to the central one. this is not just some beautiful saying that they intend to pursue a more active policy in asia, including in countries that are part of the former post-soviet soviet space, but is in our southern under the belly. for them , these countries are important with an eye. e. still, no matter how much the leaders of these states flatter themselves with an eye on china, india and the situation in the asia-pacific region in general, the americans still do not have a clear concept of how they will continue to do this. there are fierce debates about whether this presence is necessary? it certainly won't hurt.
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eh, the biden administration and the administrations that follow it are going to mess things up a lot. and i ’m afraid that they’ll break it, but we’ll have to fix it the chinese will be the ones to clean up the mess , the iranians and turks will be the ones to clean up the mess, at least because this region is closer to them. i don't see any of these promises. uh, americans, something good is not the leaders. these countries. what interest? well, i would like to understand that they are still hoping for some additional investment money. in the east. they always like to play on contradictions, these contradictions often bring material drain, but not only in the east in the east in particular. e. and these contradictions often bring material benefits benefit, as far as he says, that they are simply afraid that someone is there, the flowers of the revolution , in general, took place quite often in all these countries, but i believe that everyone does not understand that they have become the arena of a very bitter
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struggle. and this is dangerous. this means they were not very happy. and this means that the fight will be even bloody and unpleasant. what you said, in the end this scenario is very beneficial for them. here are a few figures for kazakhstan, and last year investments from the united states of america about 5 billion dollars of russian investment , about 4 billion dollars of chinese investment , about one and a half billion dollars, that is, the americans are investing in the economy at the same time as russia and china. and if they are now accelerating, uh, on this central asian track, then kazakhstan , uzbekistan, turkmenistan, kyrgyzstan, tajikistan have excellent arguments for bargaining with the same china and the russian federation. well, just imagine what situation they are in. now, for example, uh, they might come and say, listen, the americans are offering there. there are very good conditions here. why should we
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deny them investment in our economy? well, some educational programs. and what can you offer? this is an excellent field for you to trade concessions. this is an excellent field for seeking increased investment in your economy. they understand perfectly well what it is. eh, let's say there is close cooperation with the united states. they're not idiots. they all carry within themselves certain threats too, so they they will not rush to kiss the gums, but to bargain. so i think they will definitely take advantage of this chance and will now jump, moscow to washington or new york. and beijing. here you are in this triangle in order to earn money and earn money for yourself and, as it were, invest in your future. therefore, they now have a very advantageous position ; we will get burned from this, and and in general , here are the possible dangers that elena vladimirovna talked about she said, as if you were throwing it away.
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may turn into some kind of problem area for us. uh, let's move there to the region where problems have been accumulating for years, and i mean ukraine , of course, zelensky as you probably know, he has already left the united states, and has already met with prime minister trudeau in canada. and touching shots of the meeting at the airport, where they are hugging there zelensky strokes trudeau on the back so tenderly and for a long time. what to think about? well, okay, before he moved to canada, zelensky held several more meetings in the states that we haven’t had time to do there yet, but hmm , there’s something to comment on, well, firstly, this, of course, was a meeting with president biden, during which the president the united states a confirmed the size of the new military aid package for ukraine in particular. there , biden says regarding abrams tanks, the ukrainians should have them. according to him
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words next week. i have approved a new package of us military assistance to ukraine, which will include artillery, ammunition, anti-tank weapons, next week the first american abrams tanks will be delivered to ukraine as part of this new package of military assistance, the us will provide ukraine with weapons and equipment worth $325 million, including cluster munitions. actually. this is what the state department press release says. among other things , washington will provide kiev with ammunition for heim systems, air defense systems and machine guns for destroying e drones, as for attack missiles with a firing range of 300 km, it seems that until kiev receives them, as the white house claims. this decision, negative for kiev , was made after a thorough study of the issue. and here, for now, there are
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additional comments no on these missiles. uh, from kiev too, although zelensky said a lot of things there too. e hmm, for example, with regard to the further implementation of the counter-offensive, but because he says, that it will continue, despite the approaching bad weather, that is, they will come in the fall and in the winter they will come. there were even some specific goals outlined at a meeting with american editors. uh, publications zelensky promised that ukrainian forces. they'll take over very soon. well, or rather, not like that, he said, they will occupy bakhmut. artyomovsky and two more years. which 2 cities exactly? he did not elaborate , citing the fact that this was part of some secret comprehensive plan. at the same time, to close the meeting with american senators. he was not just silent, but the possibility of a major breakthrough. on the contrary, it warned about the possible defeat of ukraine on the battlefield. there was one sentence that sums up the situation
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, i quote it verbatim, mr. zelensky said, if we don’t get help, we will lose the war. this quote. well, again , we have to wait for some time. i don’t know the confirmation of mt, most likely, what chuck sumer said here, and kiev will refute it and say that all this was not in fact that’s what they say, as they know, mr. pole, this is all this matter. so. well, probably the last thing we should have said. uh, from what was said with zelensky during this week of great diplomacy. here is his speech at the general assembly, when he proposed, uh, to carry out reform. well, he in general and the security council, in particular, since this is the topic. well , as it were, i’ll say this, she seems, uh, on the one hand, but doesn’t seem dangerous on the other hand. so i have some unpleasant sensations. i will explain why, and our guests very often said before that there is no
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reform no change there un security site, but impossible. well, because it's impossible. this is not written down, but it’s like a regulation. and in general, no one will do this without our consent. but now they started talking. maxim yusin will come in a few minutes to confirm that there is a certain trap that they are trying to lure us in, and this trap is connected precisely with the reform of the security site. this may be why zelensky pays so much attention to this, let’s see. last wednesday , a terrorist spoke at a meeting of the un security council zelensky stated the need to reform the organization, saying that humanity no longer has hopes, but he is in matters of protecting sovereignty, and the main evil, in the opinion of the ukrainian president, is russia, which should be deprived of its rights veta in addition, as zelensky believes, the security council needs to be expanded to include new participants . and a veto, according to his idea , can only be imposed by two-thirds of the votes of the security council participants so that russia cannot levitate the decision alone and from tyoma in this chair in the
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security council, which russia occupies liars are in prison illegally due to behind-the-scenes manipulations after the collapse of the soviet union. whose job is it to justify aggression and genocide? the security council requires refreshing, and in washington the other day, joe biden announced the need to expand the list of participants in the platform, including the white house who constantly stated before that the security council should become more inclusive and comprehensive, according to the british press, germany india japan may join the organization brazil countries of latin america and africa in their speech last year. here am i announced that the united states would support expansion of the security council by increasing the number of permanent and non-permanent members. we need more voices, more opinions, who agree that the united nations needs to be reformed, as do the un secretary general itself. antonio guderish believes that the world has changed if these
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changes are not reflected and everyone faces fragmentation for expansion, early heads of the foreign ministries of developing countries, among which were bolivia and mike, papua new guinea , called for expansion initiative. they also commented on for the kremlin, the un security council really needs to be transformed so that the effectiveness of this extremely important international body can be maximized. we have talked about this several times. elena, but this is really some kind of trap that is growing like quicksand. whether everyone is drawn there or not. well, transformation of the security council is necessary. it is long overdue, but it is unlikely to increase the effectiveness of this organ and speech. why do this then, if it does not increase efficiency, it has to be done because that such are the ambitions of many states that they humiliate. sorry for interrupting work efficiency. more likely, no, rather no, but in any case, reform is a necessity
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that cannot be avoided. if you want, consider it good. do you think it's evil? this will become clear only during negotiations. uh, and as we see the result. there was a council of sages, which was included in and, then , the genius of maksimovich primakov and many others from russia too. and this council of sages had already worked out the criteria and principles by which the un security council will change it. and even the number of permanent members of russia , of course, will not support, uh, the membership of germany and japan as unfriendly states, but it may well discuss this issue with india, brazil and south africa. brazil will always be friendly. no, i'm not sure, so i'm very careful. e to these plans. that is, it’s like something that cannot be avoided, but it’s not a fact that it will lead to a positive one, if i understand correctly. this is some kind of
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inevitability and it is necessary, uh, somehow think through all this, and so that as a result of this inevitable reform there will be an inevitable transformation. we are not lost. at least, we have not lost more than we have gained. talks about this reform have been very active in recent years, because the world has radically changed in the modern creation of he and his security council, the weight of various countries in the international system. now it’s completely different. in the year forty-five and forty-six , explain to india why france has the right of the century, but india does not? or why does the uk have the right? veto? let's say a uh, brazil no, it’s very difficult, but for me it’s hard for me to abstract myself from these words. then i will bring them once again in this chair, all these security forces, which are occupied illegally in russia due to behind-the-scenes manipulations after the collapse of the soviet union , are liars. whose job is it to justify the aggression of genocide even after these words? i hear that
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the americans are still there, but it is necessary, which means there are three forms of words. even germany did not support zelensky here. that's right. it is true to deprive russia of the right to branch. this is true, as for behind-the-scenes manipulations, we can say that the development of the soviet union also occurred as a result of largely different behind-the-scenes agreements. there were quite complex processes as a result of these complex agreements in that there are various, and after the vienna states i am also in place. leska wouldn’t go into these wilds, but why are the americans this process and the americans for treatment? why am i talking about this now and why should russia also talk about this reform? be careful what you say because that in order to better lead the process, in order to control it, than to let this process take its course, therefore, it is better to actually start talking, don’t say that she is against the reform, but say that i agree here. excuse me that the process i understood whether she has a place in the world
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with dignity, brazil with dignity. yes, south africa and a number of other countries deserve it. why not? well then, we will now agree with you to the point that you mentioned as russian statements there that, but this country is unworthy. the fact is that this is further the subject of negotiations between the west and russia , china and other members, actions have become easier. look how they raised their hand. when they just said that if a woman said that we need to actively enter into this process, what’s the matter, what’s the matter, it’s not the number of permanent members of the security council there. he correctly said here that the matter is in the mechanism in general historically. why was the beginning of the league created, after the first world war, and then after the second world war, and the main basic goal is to prevent a new big war, which is for this is needed. actually, for this you need some kind of state or structure with a big stick, which, accordingly , will force peace, then a country that looks kind of liberal, that ’s the point and the problem is that the un separately, as structures. yes, as it should be, government structures, it does not have its own army there, a large army, russia has the united states and
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so on, therefore, in the end, given that now all recognized states are members of the un, then how would their weight be inside it and, as it were, in it he equally simple, because all states in the world. here he comes in, so to assume that if there, and to expand the security council there at the expense of india, someone else they will somehow become, it turns out that there are no negotiations and you will never be able to achieve compliance with peace, you always need dubin that it’s just a problem is that, as the main goal, the main goal of the world, it’s hard , how thus, if the country that is there from your point of view is hostile, it doesn’t want this world, how do you approach it, cudgel, right? yes he’s just always a little elena, he gets a little confused, and when the real stanislav easier comes out of stanislav easier, when he , for example, comments on the crisis on the polish belarusian border. he says it’s necessary, he says it doesn’t matter, he’s listening to this, do n’t forget it. so anton is somewhere in the wilds. this means
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, first, of course, any member of the un security council does not benefit greatly from the expansion of the security council due to the fact that this is the right of the century. and this is a club of such a select few, in which you can trade, among other things, but trade in quotes, yes, trade as well international relations, because it’s cool for a small country to have a single second, as a compromise, permanent membership in a visa without the right. no, this is not about now and not about that. i’m now talking about why this is beneficial to all countries that are on the un security council and this right leads to this answer. this means that, accordingly, it is important or unimportant to be in the security council, of course, because it raises the status of the country, and it is simply an opportunity to win something that can sell its international relations with other countries. met when we were little strange. what is this for? this is the first, second, the situation in the world is really changing, countries are growing, new ambitions are emerging. and then the game begins. so this is it. let this sound cynical for any large country. this means, for uh their sympathy that the security council should expand and propose countries
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, not only biden proposes, but we also propose, we do not propose. we are talking about the need for transformation. we are now quoting you, we proposed to expand the joint and, as far as i remember, it’s even strange how they called it, which they could enter. this is an absolutely normal process, how will it end? in the near future, nothing, because in order to agree on this list of these countries , russia, the united states, china, and that means, uh. who else is left there? this means that, accordingly , we must sit down and agree on a list of these countries, because it is not beneficial for anyone. it’s not profitable for us if pro-american countries come in, which means it’s not profitable for the americans if pro-russian countries come in. therefore, in the near future. it won't end. this will be nothing more than rhetoric, which is dangerous. at the end the end is short, because otherwise, and the base will again have to be cut short in the conditions of the country in the un security council, then instead of one number of countries the un security council will adopt condemning resolutions, but another number, which will be
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ideological. well, you know my attitude towards these resolutions. yes please, yes, let's go back, this is going back to the origins on the one hand. we can say that the forty-fifth year in the distant past has changed a lot. this will probably be true, but as the goals of the special military operation in ukraine show after all, the narratives of those years are still alive and the same roses are still alive today in the country that is to blame for the tragedy of those years, revanchist sentiments reign. she stands on the side of a country in which nazism survived and was even able to take a leading position. therefore, yes, of course, i am an adequate person and i understand that a lot has changed. for example, we cannot ignore such a state, like india . well, we cannot, but it has already flown to the moon. the population there has already exceeded the population of china; they are developing there. and of course, they are developing. and in general, soon it will not be india, but bukharad. yes, it has changed so much in steps and in our interests it is good to be who recognizes them,
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but but uh, sorry to expand at the expense of those who are reviving today the ideas against which it was created oh this is absurd this is absurd, japan germany and so further. i understand why washington needs this, but this is disgusting. eh, the very essence? you see, according to the system of the world order that was formed after the victory of good over evil. so this shouldn’t be allowed and, i guess, i hope we’ll have time, vladimir, i’ll try to summarize. total will the weight be reformed, yes , this will be an inevitable process, but will russia lose influence as a result? listen, yes , oddly enough, they, despite all my picks today with stanislav, olevich, or rather him with me. these are his thoughts about the club, and which is necessary in order to force all the worlds. so you tell me, i’ll tell you the result of all these changes. now some kind of club
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will appear. it will become an organization that is able to prevent and stop some military conflicts. that's it, that's how it will be. that's when these changes will really happen, when there will be a big fight and it will become clear as a result of this fight. someone has a bigger club. this is the process that will result in the completion of the reform of the council. the world is turning out, i don’t know how without it. well, really, well, listen, the emergence of the league of nations is dangerous. in general, the hair is also somehow, to put it mildly, connected with the results of the world war. he is the second, world one. well, that's what i was talking about. there is logic. look, you upset me deeply it’s a mistake to consider the un to be some kind of separate structure, which is located separately - it’s just all my russia , everything else is already connected, that right now it’s really just a minor conflict, in which both america and russia don’t care about everything else, will it stop it or there send money so that people don’t die there, some kind of food program. and excuse me, if russia is with uh, if the united states or there,
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of sevastopol while repelling a missile attack by air defense means , five missiles were shot down, as a result of the attack , the historical building of the headquarters of the black sea fleet was damaged, according to available information. one serviceman died, that's just for now , other details. no. well again, how are you? remember this incident happened. uh, about an hour and a half ago, so apparently new information will appear. and as for the topic of the previous hour, when we talked about what kind of cudgel is needed in order to force different states to peace. there within the framework of the un or there without outside this framework. cnn came out today with the following material, which claims that the leading nuclear countries of the world, such as the big three, are actively preparing for new tests. cnn is referring to us chinese. well, the united states according to satellite data pictures, which means they are operating. uh, tv channel, all three of these countries have sharply increased
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activity at nuclear test sites. experts analyzed images from the chinese xinjiang region on our archipelago. new land and in the american desert of nevada, they came to the conclusion that new facilities were being actively built there everywhere, including the construction of tunnels necessary for testing. here are the experiences of military experts. let's listen. russia , china and the united states are united by the desire to make sure that the nuclear weapons they created and tested in the eighties and nineties years is still working, it must be said that real tests in real time from the year ninety-six were not carried out despite the fact that, in fact, the corresponding treaty was signed and ratified. only the rest of us no, i now want to remind you of a fragment from vladimir putin’s speech when he addressed the federal assembly this year, and he just said that we could return to conducting nuclear tests, but only if
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they do it first americans. some figures, he's tony, we know this for sure it is known that russia is already thinking about the possibility of natural testing of its nuclear weapons. including taking into account the fact that the united states is developing new types of nuclear weapons. such information is available in this situation. the russian ministry of defense and hierosat must ensure readiness to test russian nuclear weapons first. of course, we will not do this, but if the united states conducts a test, then we will conduct it too. no one should have any dangerous illusions that global strategic parity can be destroyed. well, regarding the destruction of parity, the main concern that is voiced in the west is that nuclear technology will fall into the wrong hands. well, first of all
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, here, of course, they name iran. if iran obtains nuclear weapons, it will not only endanger the region, but will also provoke an arms race in this region. the key goal of the united states has always been to prevent nuclear weapons from reaching iran. to avoid their spread to other countries in the region, it is a rare case when one must agree with mr. salev . well in that part of it performances that, of course, this will be a new round. e nuclear arms race confirms the words of the crown prince, and saudi arabia mohamed. ben salman. let's listen to him, you don't need nuclear weapons, if you are not going to use them, if any country decides to use nuclear weapons, it will mean that it is waging a war against the rest of the world, the world doesn't need another hiroshima if iran gets nuclear weapons. we'll have to get it too. well, that 's the news. i also, if uh, allow me,
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hall so, in general , everyone will have the opportunity to come and meet and chat, and most importantly, don’t forget some gifts. e for our experts. don't take this as a completely overt advertisement. now let us return from upcoming events to the events of the past, which are of course much more important. but because they determined the development of our country. well, for a few years. but to discuss them somehow, to argue , to rethink, i don’t mean anything bad in this word. this is of course very interesting. but the fact is that now it will be. the period has already begun when we can talk about thirty years of such a difficult period. the period in the history of our country that i, if honestly, i can’t describe it briefly, this is the event of the ninety-first year. they seem to have stuck there with the augustovskiy puch or the gkchp puch, but about october of ninety-three
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. what is possible shooting of the white house? here, well , it probably comes up and says, there are the events of the third and fourth of october. well, no one says that. i think why this is so, but because maybe we still do not have a fully formed relationship with this very period, which began precisely on september 21-22, 1993. let us remember what happened then. september 21 in 1993, president boris yeltsin signed his famous decree on phased constitutional reform , which ordered the congress of people's deputies and the supreme council to cease their activities. yeltsin wanted to put an end to the soviet model of power; he demanded liberal reforms, the speedy adoption of a new constitution and, most importantly, strengthening the power of the president as the only way to overcome the paralysis of the state power in the russian
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federation is its radical renewal based on the principles of peoples of power and sleepiness, the current constitution does not allow this to be done. the constitutional court not only did not recognize the decree, but also considered it grounds for removing yeltsin from the post of president. the parliament also did not obey the decree. the supreme council adopted its resolution on the termination of yeltsin’s powers and transferred them to vice president alexander rudsky. as a result , poly when the confrontation resulted in street riots, the storming of the television center and the shooting of the white house from tanks killed more than 100 people, hundreds were injured. the country split into two camp, the majority of russians supported yeltsin's loyalty, to whom the government and security agencies of the president retained support, and many cultural figures
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, for example, actresses natalya fateeva and liya akhedzhakova, maybe this is for the damned constitution , because according to this constitution, people were put in prison, killed, or put in insane asylums, our unfortunate motherland, don’t sleep in danger, terrible things threaten us. the communists will come again for rutskoi and against yeltsin’s reforms. most of the parliament spoke , mainly communists and supporters nationalist parties, that’s when the yeltsinat gang slogan appeared, uh, i don’t want to talk to him personally at all, because what he’s done in 3 years. personally, i will never forgive him for this. as a result of the october events, the congress of people's deputies and the supreme council were liquidated; yeltsin defeated his opponents in the country. direct presidential rule was established; the post
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of vice president was abolished on december 12. 1993 . was accepted. new constitution of russia and alexander vadevich, what was that? and can we now, uh, confidently say that we know how to correctly evaluate all this, that it all happened then is probably still a question for historians, because if we look at it from the point of view of a common person. yes that's how i perceived these events then, as a young man together. he would be on the side, well, that’s how it happened and it wasn’t in moscow. but if i were , i would be on the side of parliament, but if we look at it from the point of view. now an adult, who sees what preservation could lead to then a parliamentary republic in a country like russia, we would have fallen apart, and this would have been simple even then, because this is how the channel of sovereignty began in the year ninety-one and ninety-three. he is in my opinion. eh, it wouldn’t have existed if
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the events hadn’t happened, 91 events of the ninety-first, probably. again, i’m now going to say a very seditious thought. for many, they were inevitable, because , unfortunately, the peculiarity of the russian historical psychotype, the peculiarity of russian civilization, is that we have developed this way, as a state that is united according to a leadership model. we need some kind of powerful leader. yes, you can call her. yes, the president has seditious thoughts. many people think this way and differently. here's any other attempt. it was inevitable. led to ruin. that's the problem. e of the communist ideology is that stalin understood this, olenin and those who came for steel. for example, let me try to somehow formulate the conclusion that arises for me because of what i
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am hearing now, and if not for the actions. the president and the government we, in general, are so tough we could lose the country actually to japan i get it. yes, this is about the figure, no, about the figure of the first president, we will talk separately, so ilya vladislavovich, how do you like this goal? well, i would start with the fact that we have already lost one country, the soviet union, and we lost this country through the efforts, first of all , of president boris nikolayevich yeltsin and his entourage. well, then yeltsin wasn’t that special. it just seemed to put it all together, these are his signatures, the boerboels were under the leadership, so there’s no such thing here, without any kind of stuff. this is the first, second, and most importantly, what it means to lose a country. remember what happened immediately after these
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events. after these events it began. the so -called special operation in chechnya is essentially a chechen war. no, as i understand it, alexander vladimirovich , such a complete mess could have started because there was no management. this is all right. i understand that you can choose to use force at this moment. here it is, first of all. let's not reduce everything to the personality of the disease. nikolayevich yeltsin, i remember my father, when people came and officers of the soviet army who went to work in the nineties pensions were difficult to cope with the crisis. and when they told him this. gorbachev betrayed the country, he said one phrase, and i personally do not absolve myself of responsibility either. and whoever came out to defend the soviet union, i came out well. this is your honor and praise, but most of the soviet army , the state security organs of soviet citizens, are worth protecting
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. so there were problems. and why, sorry , thanks to yeltsin, vladimir vladimirovich putin appeared. i have questions for the current government. but i will consciously defend this power with arms in hand. that's mine a position that always speaks out. yes, excuse me, but here it turns out that vladimir vladimirovich putin is more of a marxist, which i must say to many leftists. excuse me, let us and vladimir vladimirovich putin, uh, this great historical figure has been taken out of the picture for now , let’s talk about boris nikolaevich yes, we for this , after 10 years, i’m talking about the events, and the end of september, the beginning of october, how do you perceive them? yes, absolutely. the president at that time, yeltsin , flagrantly violated the current constitution immediately
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on several counts. yeah, at that moment in the constitution there was a provision that if the president, with all due respect, let's be a little more succinct, that is , an unconstitutional coup, you have no doubts. the constitutional court will remember what they don’t really like to remember, someone has forgotten, someone deliberately does not remember. this is where it all began in ostankino, the use of force. well, we've just shown it. yes, you showed from the building where we are sitting to go through the underground passage. there in this as it is called to look for four, but to look for three there are memorial plaques hanging, who, who died. and yes, who died? yes, here the operator died and a technical employee of the currents is good. have we forgotten? who was there for the russian
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khasbulat? you mean society's memory. and i’ve been very scared just recently. we sat with one big tv boss here in the leftovers or coffee, and she recalled how back then in 93 she went out, and here yes, i don’t know who was here, maybe she remembers, everything all the time, that means the crowd activists. these are the ones who have been supported by the remains for many years. and so, but it was right before the event that they saw her and immediately, in general, her appearance probably seemed to them, a suspiciously rocky face, zhedov’s. we will soon see you in general, so you have also had a president for a very long time. eh, here it would be worthwhile to live in a country where these people would seize power and live comfortably. i think not. i mean, it was really a civilizational dead end for us, into which they would have transferred us. if it had been necessary, they would have captured us. i had to change my behavior. well, vladislavovich sometimes you really need
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to use a club, of course. i really hope that you, dear viewers, already understand that we have absolutely such a thing today. eh, conventional seating. we deliberately did not somehow single out the group there: someone thinks, so who thinks so difficult? the tea is that there really is a revaluation of some kind of value happening, because for example, in 1993, i didn’t work on television yet. i worked in radio at the time, but i remember very well how the house was on pyatnitskaya 25. they built barricades there. this is, of course, was. this is a big topic. i didn’t have any big doubts then. of course, i was listening to liv medzhidovna there and just forgive me alley medzhidovna. i listened to you too much, so mikhail borisovich, you, too , in my opinion, seemed to think a little differently back then in st. petersburg . now, in general, i didn’t really like it, of course, the shootings of parliament looked somehow peculiar, especially good uh positioning that all this is called
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democracy, but from my point of view of today’s person who is involved in including such questions as what are authorities? what is a state? i can understand the motivation of the then president, another question . i don’t like this president both today and then, well, how do you explain his motivation. now you can start. the problem was really that the power was so organized that making any decisions was practically impossible, because there was a certain dead end : some didn’t want this, others didn’t want that, there, but some looked in one direction, others looked to the other, and both. to me i don’t like where they were looking, but the fact remains that uh, as a historian. i 'll tell you that in all periods of russian history , power. uh, the supreme has always strived to eliminate all private interests and move towards strengthening
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centralized power. and here, since the head of administrative power was yeltsin, his motivations are unclear. he wanted to overcome uh the guy's attitude that he couldn't overcome the law. methods and proposed to change the constitution yes, his methods were truly antique at that time, but uh, i don’t remember something, but somehow uh and the constitutional court. after all these trumpetings, he once declared that the president was an illegal person. why are you shouting like that? let me just understand it to them. if you don’t like it more than after the truth, you’re talking nonsense. i remember very well that the cooperation court said that this was not so, but then it, in the same composition , continued to resign. he says, in
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my opinion, no one said that all the other years of yeltsin were not anti-action , the position of people here is very strange. if you do you think that an anti-anti- coup took place and the constitutional court should not have listened to you? resign in full force and say that he cannot do anything in this legal field. he didn’t go anywhere, because in december they already adopted a new constitution, so there is also a constitutional question, but there is a fact, i understand, that’s how it is. let’s, uh, understand, uh, the conversation is going like this: yeltsin adopted a decree after this shooting of the white house. well, not exactly. well, well , between this and this there were witnesses, almost 2 weeks passed between these events, what happened during these two weeks during these two weeks a collapse of power arose in the country. but in general, i
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’m just saying that viktorovich chernomy, somewhere calmly on the old square, led the government, and the parliament interposed. here's another intermediate point. well, let's have your late servant come to the cinema ring. i was also in moscow and said that we need to look for a compromise solution. after which we, sergei glazev , turned to people who had significant moral authority for their group, nikolain, charushkov, because now sharifchu shaimieva. and by the way, a-a chapter, apple to kivlinsky 12 people, and they lied to the building of the constitutional court and offered a compromise solution that would lead away from a violent clash. what day did you remember? yes, as i remember on september twenty-seventh, well, in the middle, it turns out
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that first we had to agree on an agreement that they offered a compromise. the decree changes as follows, and the congress of people's deputies. don't accept doesn't intend to don't decide ver. and the council makes decisions only on the proposal of the government. but at the same time , the constitution of the state is being developed the duma senate holds a referendum and thus get away from e. a forceful clash, if you let me agree, yes, that means on the fourth of october in the square to gather the federation council of the heads of the subjects and the chairmen of the councils, yeah, so that they react to this proposal and work out.
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well, it’s clear that the white house, and the kremlin had houses, could not allow these people to get together and leave this blood, they wanted blood, and those who wanted riots and blood for a whole number of people in the supreme council were equally not ready to compromise , but the emergence of such an authoritative structure as the head of the federation council and so on. it would take away the blood. i have a scary one. so i don't sleep at night. wasn't my proposal mine? wouldn't have provoked a clash in the first place. yes, the floor on the crimean bridge, and then execution, because the compromise is completely different . bloody. what kind of a compromise was that? this is called sarcasm. and we need to take a break. i'm sorry for a few minutes break and we'll
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sunday at 20:20 on ntv this is the meeting place on ntv the place where everything becomes clear. we continue. igor sergeevicheva is the only one who has not yet spoken out. well, let's take a look at the next story now. we have it here personally, uh, dedicated to the figure of yeltsin and then your comment in general please give a few months after his election as president, boris yeltsin announced upcoming economic reforms in russia that were supposed to lead the country to a market economy and put an end to the crisis and deficit following with this yeltsin introduced a new government, which he called reform government. the leader himself spoke more than once. i want to repeat that it will be difficult for us, but this period will not be long, we are talking about six to eight months. at this time , endurance is needed. and then our most complex reforms will be able to be carried out as the basis for reforms. the program of yegor gaidar was adopted; it
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included price liberalization, privatization , ruble conversion and commodity intervention in january. 1992. reform decree. what many call shock therapy came into force and began in russia. after the authorities released prices on store shelves, goods finally began to appear, but they could afford to buy them. all prices increased 3 1/2 times, and wages depreciated over the year, inflation reached 2,500%. as a result , many found themselves without work, and highly qualified specialists joined the ranks of sellers. at the same time, entrepreneurship was legalized in russia and spontaneous markets appeared in cities. excuse me please, how do you like the prices? well , where can i feed a small child? what to feed at the beginning of the october 93 event
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, the first stage of privatization was in full swing as planned by the authors voucher reforms were supposed to turn russians into owners, state property sold into private hands for a symbolic price, one could buy a treasured piece of paper and invest it in company shares, but most citizens did not understand what to do with them, and were never able to properly use this opportunity . the main thing is not to rush in any way, do not rush into an immediate offer to sell the constitutional check-zey, yeltsin’s rating is rapid. unpopular reforms and loans-for-shares auctions went downhill months of non-payment of wages at enterprises and the outbreak of war in 1994. in chechnya, the president's popularity has been reduced to an anti-record, according to moskovsky komsomolets. or 1996, that is, just six months before the elections , only 2% of russians supported yeltsin’s activities? so igor sergeevich well, maybe all this plus
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, uh, the shooting of the white house - this is because boris nikolaevich did all this. somehow it’s wrong, bad, clumsy, but don’t do it. he couldn’t understand, that is, all this was unpopular. it was inevitable. a you know, you can of course say that everything is unpopular is inevitable, pinochet is also inevitable and everything else. let's figure it out. yes, yeltsin was elected president in the wake of his confrontation with gorbachev, the people supported him, but the reforms that he began to carry out, because of which the people did not vote, and this reform was aimed at transferring common state property into the hands of a small group of people . new elites and the second way for this elite to fit into the western community, that is, capitulation to the west, this course was not accepted people, therefore resistance. let me remind you that the ninety-first ninety-second year
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is practically. eh, every sunday there are such demonstrations and protests in moscow. here is manezhnaya square. why did they dig up? so that people of 100,000 do not gather there, they are also sitting there in luzhniki, and so on, where the russian sports palace is the system of power that existed to govern the country. she didn't support it either. they tell us that this is the soviet system. she uh, interfered with development and so on. sorry, lukashenko has little power more than enough. in order to get this power, he shot the councils, in my opinion, regional councils, city councils exist, he simply did not carry out them. there will probably be those who will say that it is also not constitutional. with the methods of his power from guns. he didn’t shoot the supreme council, so this
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group that stood behind yeltsin needed a coup d’etat, because without a coup d’etat. build oligarchic capitalism and seize state property. they are not if they could, they needed to demolish those authorities that were in the way and they needed to teach a lesson to the people that there is no need to raise their voices. they will roll into the asphalt the version voiced by maxim anatolyevich that about the fact that yes, they would come to power. we would have the right people come, excuse me? well, i was there from call to call. i’ll be honest, there are some villains who were going to skin this very line of ohuedzhakov, and skin it and make it out of it. apparently i didn't meet it there. i saw colonels of the general staff there. i saw cameramen there. e from television. i saw there professionals. i saw workers there. eh hmm,
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captains of ships, river transport vessels, and so on are full of students. this, of course, well, there was an image of terrible red-browns who would now come and do a huge killing of everyone. this was done specifically so that he was not specifically forced to say what he said, anyone can be pulled out; well, there was a coup d’etat and there was a popular uprising against an anti-people regime. well, let me just say that at that moment i headed the economically civil union which i was looking for compromise solutions. so, uh, we agreed to meet with the duma deputies, including if the communists found a solution to privatization. what do you think, whose everyone liked the international currency fund that conduct auctions according to the criterion of an effective owner to provide for a year, and it turned out to be rented,
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well, you get further. who was against the appearance of the owner adol boris chubais , who later said in his interview, yes, how did this mean power in the castes of directors, and this was a betrayal according to towards our democratic brothers. so the question was again whether they were ready to sell the country. and i want to remind you that i brought it to russia in the states , i taught a report from the world bank that in march 902 a large-scale outflow of capital from russia began. they began to transport it and put it on the table, decided to vladimirovich, he put it to yeltsin, yeltsin called. eh, gaidar yes. no, it's all a deception, like a deception. sorry, half a trillion dollars were taken away. well, this is what there is now a proposal. i am a programmer,
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but for the sake of power. this is already the second proposal. the sagging that was proposed and not accepted to do so is about the bloodthirstiness of red-brown monsters, like me, to say one yes. you. i don't remember you. how long have the red-brown monster been, one small fact, according to the investigative team that worked. after all these already terrible events. and then i was sitting in lefortovo and was under investigation. and as an investigator, i was introduced to the materials of the case, and so, based on the materials , i made from weapons that were inside the supreme council, which were controlled by makashov and others the monster did not kill a single person. this is the investigation data and that’s it. this is in this book, which was well presented once again . thanks for the future. this is the question. answer, maxim anatolyevich
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i won’t. why who started? who killed the people? ostankino that's how many people they put on the supply, red-brown shusha cattle , you can shoot them no, you'll have to answer, because, well, how would you define no, maxim anatolyevich look at your argument. uh, they indicated it at the beginning. yes, they said about how they were caught here jewish faces, and you said, now, if these people came to power you alone our guest replies that, well, not quite, no matter how accurate the second guest even gives, uh, links to and sergeevich you understand, now they are sitting here like this generally civilizational. normal , yes, but why then didn’t they demarcate barkashova’s russian national unity? they would simply say, we want a civilized russia, but without these for some reason they won’t
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quote him. why didn’t they settle the survey, but there was a beer, so they offered you a compromise, yes, a let's answer, yes, as for yeltsin, you understand how well, firstly, thanks to yeltsin. russia did not follow the path of yugoslavia and managed to avoid wars with other union republics, which could well have arisen. if. well, if it were thanks to yeltsin that we didn’t have the score on the scoreboard. you see that we, the soviet union, were able to disperse without russia entering the war on one side and then everything went well. okay, good. i'll be the only one here? protects yelets but if everyone screams, i simply won’t be able to find out okay, okay, ok, don't scare me. well, the second thing is that i, as a journalist, found it very comfortable to work with her. it really
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was a little bit of freedom. she limited it, so to speak, to oligarchs. but in general, it was already worked on, or where the photos will be, and also built in a merchant. i have two places he was the main one, then in the news, firstly, galibioz. this was actually the golden age. this is the best editor-in-chief of my life. here is the second third economy, despite the fact that now uh, this is not popular opinion, but in general, their economy was built then, capable of life, which now allows it to withstand all these difficulties. well, that's not true. you yes, yes. i say it will be possible. it’s erroneous , as they say, now here’s the last argument so that i can move on. you’ll only translate akhedzhak, but you don’t want to bring nikita mikhalkova. why are you hammering this? uh
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, on the internet in 2 seconds that they will quote then what he said? well, in general, the same as he is now in relation to putin speaks out. he then expresses in relation to yeltsin what do i mean, that this should not be reduced? it’s not fashionable now, of course, to defend yeltsin, but also, of course, the last argument. i think it should have an effect on the majority of those present. well, a colleague already brought it, and without yeltsin there would be no putin if these guys came to power, for them putin putin is a member of sobchak’s team, and putin in general, and we wouldn’t know who putin is at all. now, including dear comrades, good yeltsin, we'll come back after a pause okay, short period every third inhabitant. anyone who dreams of hosting a travel show now has this opportunity. i will share everything with you. you understand both the bad and the good in
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although what are his personal contributions, something like this or these? they never really knew him there, but i have the opinion that this person strived for power in any form. she served as that for him. eh, well, somewhat important. yes, by desire, that is, wait, he strove for power, like a romantic or like a pragmatist, like a pragmatist, because like a pragmatist, like a pragmatist, who from a soviet leader wanted to become such a new russian tsar, because that’s the whole style of his behavior. how did he change, how did he sit? this is his pompous meeting at the table. they remind me very much of this one. here i am in my opinion, i say, yes, you know this, here is the tsar’s master, torn away to power. what did the soviet people imagine it to be, and how was it in reality? we seem to have this attitude? this is for the king. well, i want to say that it’s still preserved, but it’s there. he
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somehow lost it very quickly. mikhail, well, you know, that’s how i feel today. now, based on what i, uh, can imagine and analyze, and by this time, as a continuation of such a troubled time, which in general took place in russia for a very long time and uh, in troubles there is always, uh, a distinctive feature that cannot be put there not to any personality, because all personalities constantly change their sign, now he is a plus, now he is a minus, and very often people who will be right at the moment. they may end up being just as wrong. how many are those that seemed to have a minus sign, so in the turmoil the people better than the people did not participate, the people must wait. i think yes. well, just
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in this turmoil and wait until something internal appears. stop it until it appears. you see, here we have, unfortunately, yeltsin of course, it was not minin and pozharsky to some extent, probably putin was minin and pozharsky. but that’s another question. what we still haven’t chosen, it seems to me. which direction are we going? because as far as i understand, we still cannot solve the problem of federalism in our state, despite the fact that we have started to unite the regions several times. and this is the most key problem, and in the direction of development of the state, federalism has never existed in the history of russia and it is always destructive. the soviet union collapsed due to federalism is the danger of the collapse of the russian federation it is because of this principle that if we do not overcome it, then collapse can happen at
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any moment. i would like to draw attention to what would seem to be a completely different point, but it connects directly with that. now, he says, you know , 200 years ago chaadaev wrote that the main problem of russia is that there is neither law nor order, instability. so then, in the ninety -third year, according to the law, the basis of order and stability was dealt such a blow in the minds of the people. the consciousness of the people simply wiped their feet. you see, this is the law of the constitution my feet wiped away the blood. that’s how they saw through it and this trauma is still not healing, and if there are any threats to russia today to the russian federation, then these threats are rooted in the same disregard for law and
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order that were demonstrated 30 years ago, before they disagreed. well, first. and i agree that they certainly wiped their feet, but i just need to look at it as a sociologist and it is still a trauma. no , it’s not why well, it was a trauma in the ninety-third year, when they wiped their feet, and the law was right then, the entire population was like that it was believed that they were wiping their feet. it seems to me that the politically active part believed that yes, it was necessary to crush the red-brown reptile. one part of the second - said that it is impossible to do this by the will of the people. yes, but today it's all gone. today, a fully consolidated society has emerged, for which the history of the ninety-third year. this is instructive, because you cannot rely on populism and you cannot participate. here in the turmoil
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answered the question. so, years later, who do you see boris yeltsin as, the great reformer of russia or the great enemy of russia, mikhail borisovich, to me, no one and nothing else, this is the leader who led our country during some troubled period. but this is something, it seems, like dmitry or some kind of king, shuisky there, that is, not an impassable figure, but even without a-a deeply tragic figure in which love was reduced to power, but the toy is in the hands of cynics, not pragmatists, and yet, but love for the country igor sergeevich osi is the creator of the oligarchic capitalism of that elite, which our president is now trying with such difficulty to nationalize and he has all the blood on him, which is not only the ninety-third years, but even now it is pouring into development so ilya vladislavovich
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yeltsin for me is this man who undermined the naive, but the then existing faith of russians in democracy, he killed it. alexander vladimirovich for me boris uh nikolayevich yeltsin is a historical figure e is not an enemy, let alone not a hero, but i agree with this opinion. this is very similar to false dmitry or shuisky, and that if he had stayed another year, we would have had 7 banking exactly analogous to that seven, more so that only we would have seeds, though a little later there, well, ninety-six. yes, ah, i will say something that is not fashionable now, but i don’t give a damn about mine and i won’t renounce yeltsin from my younger self. this is my president, for whom i always voted and i don’t regret it.
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okay, well, we don’t know what vanya would say, today he is once again, i repeat, absent from our live broadcast for good reasons. now, as for jokes, jokes certainly have their own logic, their own opinion, or even, if you want, your own. true, ah, i think that you will not argue that the vast majority of jokes about boris nikolayevich yeltsin are, well, let’s say, not very complimentary in relation to him. well , perhaps this can be somehow explained by yeltsin, already being president, coming to some collective farm. and as usual, i drank a little and went alone, as if for a walk. there he somehow escaped from the guards and fell into this cesspool. well, he screams, save him. help , some collective farmer heard it, came up and helped him get out. you pulled him out. yeltsin shakes himself off and tells him. thank you.
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just, you understand, don’t tell anyone that i fell into a pit of shit, such an embarrassment, and the collective farmer, boris nikolaevich says well , just don’t tell anyone that i pulled you out of here. it was a meeting place that could not be changed by 2:00 p.m. everyday life ntv all the best to you, goodbye. humanitarian assistance to nagorno-karabakh from azerbaijan and the situation in yerevan where protesters demand the resignation of the prime minister of armenia marksmanship how does the supply work tanks and tankers on the front line? what knowledge and skills does it require to operate a golden fire jet system and how to keep

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