and as a victim. netanyahu called hamas militants neo-nazis and compared their actions to the holocaust. does this really give the right to a new genocide? israel must answer hamas for their actions. look, right now. hello, this is the meeting place at ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. i am andrey. norkin, my colleague, ivan trushkin, we are working live, and today , as you understand from the announcement, we will wrap up the middle east topic, naturally, in the middle we will also add vladimir putin’s visit to china, and let’s begin with co yesterday evening tragedy, in general, unprecedented, of course, a completely, in my opinion, tragic episode, 800 dead - well, that’s at least, because

people still remain under the rubble of the alyakhli hospital, in general, how many of them will be there in the end, no one does not understand. our country and the united arab emirates have initiated an urgent meeting of the un security council, it will be held today, it will begin at 17:00 moscow time, that is, an hour after we finish our work on air, that is, we will not yet know, what decision the security council will make, it would be a great shame if there is no decision, in fact, literally our resolution has just already been scrapped, as you remember, yes, having found fault with some missing, and supposedly details, there were supposedly no condemnation of hamas, now there is a lot of condemnation of hamas, a lot of condemnation of islamic jihad, which is banned in our country by a terrorist organization, because the israelis say that they hit the hospital, quite a lot of condemnation of israel, because well, somehow the fact that in general...

in television reports does not speak in favor of the israeli version, this is my personal opinion, but however, now we will see all this and we will be able to discuss and analyze how all this will influence the further development of the conflict. al ahly hospital was struck on tuesday evening, and footage taken immediately after the attack showed dozens of bloodied bodies and faye hospitals destroyed. many patients, mostly women and children, were standing in line at the time of the powerful explosion, as reported by al-hadad tv channel. street, the hospital also served as a shelter for hundreds of civilians who hid inside during israeli strikes. the internet is circulating a video published by the qatari television channel aljazeera, which allegedly shows footage of an israeli missile hitting a hospital. allegedly , the idf military aimed at hamas launchers located nearby, but missed

, however, many commentators point to inconsistencies, allegedly al-jazeera published the video an hour before the shelling, and in general this is supposedly last year’s footage is completely different attack, but the hamas leaders designated israel as the unconditional culprit, calling the attack on the hospital a crime of genocide, there were children there, we, the patients, go to this hospital, you kill our women, our children, how? the israeli authorities were initially accused of shelling the hospital. hamas movement, but then transferred and switched the arrows to the banned terrorist movement islamic jihad. this version was supported by israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, saying that quote “barbarian terrorists” and not the idf were behind the rocket attack on the hospital. analysis of operational idf systems indicate that the terrorists in gaza fired a barrage of rockets that flew in close proximity to the allahli hospital in gaza at the time of the strike. is it given?

several sources we have indicate that the islamic jihad is responsible for the failed rocket launch that hit a hospital in gaza, and the israeli army has published a diagram that seems to explain that a palestinian-launched rocket went off course and hit a hospital , in support of his version indicates that in the footage from the scene there are no traces of a large crater, which should have been formed by the explosion of an israeli aerial bomb. the palestinians called these explanations an outright lie; all of them compare the consequences of attacks by hamas and israel, declaring that palestinian rockets are simply not able to achieve such destruction. i want to tell the whole world, today, this enemy is threatening hospitals in front of the whole world, and the world is silent, not taking decisive action against this enemy. the enemy received the message reassurance and permission to bomb hospitals. this is exactly what was done.

drew all this attention to the publication of netanyahuli’s adviser, immediately after budari’s message a post appeared on his social networks, and later disappeared, in which an israeli official announced a successful strike on a hospital in gaza, where the hamas base was supposedly located. he called the fact that civilians died, who, as navtelli put it, were used as human shields, was heartbreaking. also, according to taz, citing reuters, the palestinian ambassador to japan notified that israel is for an hour before the explosion at the hospital, he allegedly made a warning call there. the diplomat later withdrew this statement, clarifying that calls had been made to the hospital. all the previous days, but not that night. well, now let’s deal with the reaction to this terrible tragedy, palestinian president mahmoud abbas declared a three-day mourning period for the victims of the tragedy, he called what happened a terrible war crime that should not go unpunished, and he indirectly blamed the united states

of america for everything, he says that precisely because of the position americans, the palestinian people are, well , in the position they are in now. in addition, abas refused to participate in the quadripartite summit. with joe biden in the capital of jordan. this summit was scheduled for today. abbas was supposed to discuss with the us president and middle eastern leaders how to cool the conflict. subsequently king abdullah ii of jordan. i decided to cancel this entire meeting altogether. the jordanian foreign ministry formulated the reason as follows: due to israel’s ongoing reprisals against palestinian people in the gaza strip. end of quote: after which biden had to cancel his trip to jordan. without the summit, it became almost meaningless, well, to israel, where biden was going, he finally arrived, we received footage this morning of how he was greeted at the airport, here he goes down a small ramp and the president of israel, ishak herzog, meets him there, and the prime minister, you see, they are hugging benjamin netanyahu, although still in flight, right from biden’s

plane, the israelis were warned that biden will ask them difficult questions. he will ask several. difficult questions and will ask them like a true friend of israel. by hard questions i don't mean threatening or hostile, just hard questions that a good friend of israel might ask about where they think they're going, what their plans are for the future? well, that’s roughly what happened, at the meeting with netanyahu , biden, of course, was so demonstrably sad, but he also stated that, according to his information, the attack on the hospital was carried out, there is an interesting wording: the other team, the other team, not israel. i am deeply saddened by the hospital gas explosion yesterday, based on what i saw, it appears to have been done by a different team than you, but many are unsure, so we have a lot to overcome.

it was interesting there that after this statement to the press , andrei, the journalists, as is always the case with westerners , began to shout, a lot, shouting out questions, but all these questions were left absolutely without any reaction, we will actually be back very soon. to this topic, let's now we’ll try to talk about this a little bit, so elena vladimena, in your opinion, after yesterday’s shelling of the hospital, will this global process of determining who is right and wrong in the current conflict undergo any changes, naturally, this is already happening, look at the reaction of the arab and muslim world, because it is not only the arabs, but it is also iran. turkey, these are numerous communities in europe and the united states of america, all biden's statements about the team, but he probably confused it with baseball or something with something yet, but they only add fuel to the fire, because no one believes

the israeli-american version, and yes, this is not required, absolutely true, because the flywheel of a new round of violence has already been launched. the hospital, in fact, is al-agli, it translates as a people's hospital, that is, it is a people's hospital, where you could come and be treated for free, because it was built and maintained by baptists, a baptist hospital, well, for now, well, in addition to canceling the summit, biden was supposed to meet there with the jordanian king, mahmoud abbas, plus the president of egypt, they canceled this summit because sisi was also very much there so far, there was nothing there, but in 20 minutes, the president of iran will speak , his emergency statement has already been announced, what do you think might be in this statement, well when i talk about a new round of violence, this also means that there will be actions

everywhere, including single individuals, they are already happening, now after what happened there will be more of these actions, in europe, in america and especially in the region, this is a lot of pressure, and how doesn't solve anything when these are victims, in any case, this is blood, people die, these are additional victims, lebanese hezbollah has already announced that today is a day of wrath. well, he’s even more angry, okay, about the international one, wait, come on, in any case, all the peaceful efforts, they have been nullified, nullified, which means there are two points, firstly, you did not agree, elena vladimovna, they said , that all these individual terrorist actions do not solve anything, and before that, a little earlier, you said that it is not absolutely necessary for anyone to believe or didn’t believe it, but agreed with the israeli version, the media picture, it will remain, it won’t go anywhere. the west will one way or another remain on the side of israel, this is completely

understandable. now about the consequences, there won’t be any really serious consequences. the united states has a plan to threaten other countries so that they do not interfere, iran, syria, lebanon, whoever you want, and with the threat of serious blows there to force them to remain silent. next, the story of the gas stripping, it remains on the agenda, because we need to somehow save the hostages, that is some time will pass, the excitement will calm down, and israel will move on to the original plan to clean up the gas itself, as if absorbing this enclave and turning it into some new entity, so the excitement will not calm down, that’s the problem, what difference will it make, who will worry there in egypt or anywhere else cannot worry for at least 10 years, but wait, what if these unrest start somewhere in the haifa area, god forbid? the israelis are absolutely convinced that they will cope with this, and they will cope quite harshly, as they did, that is

the american plan, hit everyone over the head to find some kind of compromise, in the middle, it will work, because no one has another plan, and as for this blow, it is quite obvious that this is the carelessness of the israeli army, they showed, they failed already several times, here they failed again, that is, they mistook the hospital for a terrorist base. that is, a classic goal-setting mistake. i wanted to give the floor to maxim anatelevich, because yesterday he was very active in commenting when new ones appeared - a new picture in his telegram channel, you had an emotional reaction, who else will defend israel after this? am i correct? this is precisely why i understood you correctly , that there will be such international condemnation that this will force israel to change its position, or did i misunderstand you, to explain, absolutely wrong, that means, and i reposted it in my telegram channel and well, i urge viewers to also watch what, in general, there is not one there,

well, facebook, this will immediately remove these shots, these are creepy, monstrous shots of what happened, dead children, yes, dead children, yes, why did i repost this, so that people understand how they react to this in the islamic world, when they see these footage in the islamic world, so i’m not surprised that hundreds of thousands, you told me , i didn’t interfere, so yes, return this politeness to me, that means, solely for this purpose, but since i didn’t have the opportunity to hang it myself, i’m from one not very good armenian tv channel, armenian vendetta, and i immediately played it back, said that this them, i did not have the technical ability to remove this phrase, that’s why i said, i don’t support this, but about the international reaction to all these events, will there be some kind of yes. i don’t really understand, you wanted them to see how the arab world reacts to this, she’s like

, you can’t show hard shots, i understand , yes, we’re practically showing this now, only it’s all on the entire screen, so you’re waiting for what’s next- then, this is how the arab world reacts to this, and how it will react, well, it will tear its hair out, alexey nikolaevich is right, not true. nikolaevich, no, this is this black swan, this is a colossal turn, colossal in the whole, in the entire perception of the situation, i just talked with my western sources along the way, but we have such a frank relationship, just for me to understand what, what they think, who they stand for, well , this is an idiotic question, for whom, an intelligent person cannot be for someone in a conflict where there is no right; an intelligent person can only predict what will happen next. so, well, i asked the first question, after all, here’s your opinion, there are two

different versions of who this is, the person who he is engaged, well, one might say, as a military expert, he says, well, the israelis seem to be, and the main argument is that you had this naftali in the story, as an adviser to netanyahu, because it is very strange when such a post appears, then he disappears, this is the main logical argument, but further. the western reaction is, well, in general, they don’t call him guilty. here macron is shorter than the statements of your beloved bareeli and so on, they are very firmly against, well, those who organized this terrorist attack are not named as israelis, but as i was told, the israelis they know who did it, that’s it in general , saying, if it was some kind

of hamas or jihad, they would say so, they’re guilty, but since they don’t say who’s to blame, we make a conclusion. it’s everyone’s mistake, i think, and we too, and me too, in fact, it’s my mistake that we isolate this tragedy from others, but it’s lost, someone says 200, someone 500, someone 800, well that, in other cases, when there are no questions at all, that these are israelis, no civilians are killed, that is, something else, this is normal, that’s what we will find out now, funny, the hamas people say, that’s what they say directly, exactly what fits perfectly into your agenda, guys, well , you laughed at lukashenko, then laugh at yours, but no, when they posted it,

there’s just some kind of mistake there . translated, this is already in our telegram channels, like a cement plant, it’s very strange , that is, they marked there, and other carts write that you are there to these experts, please note that this is not a cement plant, which is not a black swan, everything that happened , and the gray swan, explain then and whether they will be in accordance with the logic of that zhenatavich. without naming names, but behind the scenes to suppress israel and say what are you doing , let’s take it in order, essentially israel is being attacked by a flock of gray swans, that is, events that are considered probable , unlike black ones, but unlikely, black is generally something like that , which was not expected, here , unfortunately, well, one could assume that sooner or later the missile would fly at some large civilian object, in this

case the hospital, they have actually been flying at these objects for more than a week now. 800 at once, even more, unfortunately, let's do this, could islamic jihad do this? could, does israel have reinforced concrete evidence, it’s not a fact, and this is actually no longer interesting to anyone, there will be evidence, there will be no evidence, they have drawn all the conclusions for themselves, everyone has already become in opposition, the arab world certainly believes that israel has done and will based on this... the states, before biden’s visit to israel, they got off with a very interesting official statement, where they didn’t even call it a terrorist attack, well, biden said, called it a tragedy or incident, but when he arrived in israel, he decided on a position, it was not the israelis who did this, the united states took a rigid stance on this

position and will continue to stand on it, as if they could have played it out differently, but they played it out the way they played it, that’s all all. there is now a disposition on the chessboard, there is now a question of how the pieces will play, unfortunately, they will play very bloody, because the americans made a choice and now they have become , of course, legitimate for the turks, for the arabs, for the iranians, well, for ordinary people purpose, not only that is, the israelis will attack now, but there is no such thing, at this level of bitterness, the number of victims of the palestinian conflict has long been estimated in the tens of thousands, they could be at least 100. in the world, let us first see how the arab street, the lower classes, react, if possible so to speak, the hezbollah movement

has already declared this day, wednesday, a day of unprecedented anger against israel, well, let us look at the night picture, it is unfortunately... colorful, immediately after the news about the tragedy in the gas sector, the residents of beirut moved en masse towards the american embassy, ​​the lebanese literally besieged the american diplomatic mission, burned torches there, chanted a curse against israel and its allies , it was possible to disperse the crowd only with the help of tear gas cannons, and now let's move to turkey, this is istanbul, protesters after the attack gases broke through the hospital to the israeli consulate and fired at the building with fireworks. in addition, an angry crowd marched to a united states military base, shouting america get out of turkey, they tried to assault another american woman. base in turkish malatya in istanbul , mcdonald's restaurants were also killed by protesters. the national security council of israel advised its citizens, israeli citizens, to urgently leave turkey for

their own safety. well, the middle east is also boiling. capital of jordan, oman. oh, and the protesters also tried to storm and burn the israeli diplomatic mission there. you see several hundred, if not thousands of people gathered there. the embassy was guarded by reinforced special forces units. veliusa folk anger on the streets of the iranian capital. thousands of people gathered in tehran. there is no israeli diplomatic mission in the united states in tehran. therefore, people simply did not live on the streets. similar marches took place in iraq, tunisia, syria, germany, spain and even canada. now, let’s try to look not at how the streets react to the lower classes, but at how the upper classes of the muslim and arab world worry about all this. they actually have an almost united position; they speak collectively. israel and its allies, i don’t always name these allies. mid saudi arabia condemned the terrorist attack on the gaza hospital, calling it a heinous crime

by israel. turkish president recep tayyip erdogan called on the international community to stop the unprecedented atrocity in the gas sector. syria holds the west responsible for the shelling of a hospital in the gaza strip as an accomplice in crimes against palestinians, as stated in the office of bashar al-assad. the president. iran's ibrahim reisi called the incident a war crime and said that the plan is for the flames of american-israeli bombs dropped on innocent palestinians to soon will embrace the zionists, but the head of the iranian foreign ministry called on the whole world to unite against israel, and i remind you that we are still waiting for a separate statement from the president of iran today. now let us show you the cover from which the turkish publication was published, which is called yenishofak, we often quote it, and i must translate the headline for you: the terrorist state of israel must be destroyed, period, this is the reaction of the turkish press, this is how the western the press, well, one might say, is spinning like a frying pan, we are now using the example of new york

times we can talk about this, how the party line is changing, along with this the editorial position, so you see the three front pages, which means that at first they called the tragedy an israeli attack, then just a faceless attack, well, in the end it was just an explosion. british publications now also do not mention israel. and in general, one gets the feeling that the palestinians, well, somehow bombed themselves, in ukraine, this is already such a template scenario, do i understand correctly, anton valerievich, that they will now try to hush this up one way or another, at least at least in the western media, let's take it in order, here is the picture that was shown on the street and the official reaction of the arab world leadership, this fully fits into the concept that so neatly suggested the hypothesis, remember, on one of the broadcasts, when it said that israel they lure, they set traps, israel is wonderful in these traps, they fall into this trap, they are forced to take tougher actions, sacrifices, the picture, it all ultimately affects the street,

which means that in the countries of the arab world and not only the arab world, there is pressure on acceptance solutions, it is quite possible that through this there will be a round of escalation and the involvement of what is for now a regional conflict, or rather the transformation of a regional conflict into something more global and terrible, while it looks exactly like this, which means, regarding this picture, that new york. that means they changed the headings accordingly, but based on the fact that the information changed , it would probably be correct to actually change these headings, i’ll explain what i mean, look, could the blame lie with israel for this attack, of course i could considering their lack of selectivity, but carrying out strikes, of course, but on the other hand, here on the one hand you are saying that israel is being lured by someone into a trap, this story then turns out that the new york times first grunted something against israel , and then it became successful, here they could, no, there’s not even a question here, that is, wait, there are two parallel processes going on, according to you, someone is luring israel into a trap, someone is trying to

get them out, that’s it, as for , i believe that this is a completely different story, not connected in any way with traps, with everything else, i think that here the journalists first wrote in hot pursuit, which is good, then ethyl, let’s not just do it, that means, as far as israel is concerned, it could have been done, could have been done. a blow, or israel could not have struck, but others could have struck, well, let’s say, by and large, about analogies to our analogy, stormy, blows to the market, when we were accused, no, and then it turned out that this was not entirely true so, or not so at all, well, there are simply no arabs, in fact, in fact, nothing new, forgive me for my cynicism, well, yes, there are many, very, very many victims at one moment, but in principle nothing new has happened, the current aggravation in general. now a second, if you look at who is suffering any big losses now, hamas or the paramilitary wing, oh, this is what hamas was fighting, or what? no, while civilians are dying. in

the gas, people are dying who are sitting in their homes because they are being fired at with rockets, while this is a war with casualties only among civilians, i was not fully understood if hamas, well, this is not a new story, but i can’t help but agree with elena vladimirovna , who says that now it’s like... no, it could have been a mistake, i don’t rule it out, but once again, a mistake can be used, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a mistake or not, but this is absolutely

, my hypothesis is that hamas initially, when this is not a conspiracy theory, when these are actually conclusions, because why would hamas, forgive me, attack israel in this way, with so much cruelty, only so that israel responded with even more cruelty, hamas , in fact, the ideology of hamas is not shared by all arab countries, your goal is some kind of madness, if the goal is to drag the muslim world into an attack on israel. then this is this episode the president can announce in 5 minutes in 5 minutes no, but after two steps and moreover, colleagues, this happened when the plane with the american president was flying, which means, accordingly, to the summit, moreover, i want you to say whether biden would go at all, he could not refuse situation in general from the flight, i couldn’t, well, that’s

separate, don’t shoot it down, please. the meaning was very simple: why did biden fly there? on the one hand, to resolve issues with israel, including possibly stopping it, to protect it from some tough decisions, on the other hand , to persuade the arab world not to be drawn in, to persuade some, and to threaten others, well, basically this summit in fact , it turned out to be thwarted, and this, and this was considered an important step in american diplomacy, and now let’s do it, let’s do it, let’s give an answer to the question is who it was for. definitely not to israel, well, definitely not to israel, i say again, i’m not defending israel, it’s quite possible it’s theirs, but it’s not beneficial for them, andrey vladimirovitch rarely agrees, this time i agree, indeed, russia is not israel, and russia is not palestine, so you and i, ladies and gentlemen, have the privilege of sympathizing with just people, not ours and others in quotes, but just people who suffer from different sides when we talk

about war... then in general, war is usually divided into a kind of just war into two components: justice in terms of goals and justice in terms of means, it is clear that this does not always coincide, plus, as colleagues correctly say, there is also a mistake, there are some theories that there are no mistakes and everything that happened, this was intended for someone, but no, it doesn’t work like that, and an important point about the plot that was shown, regarding the reaction of both the arab street, and arab and muslim officials, bosses, everything is clear, there is an emotional component it's clear, the humanistic component, to some extent, confuses me somewhat, because in my opinion, as far as i know, maybe my colleagues will correct me, but yesterday there was news that the neighbors of the palestinian territories themselves, that is, jordan and egypt, do not seem to be eager to accept refugees, although you say that this is jordan now , this is an important point indeed, that this is a red line,

there will be no refugees from gaza, yes, there should not be, neither on the territory of the kingdom of jordan, nor in any of the others, which means countries of the arab world, and oman said that this issue , which needs to be resolved on the territory of israel and palestine, is confusing, on one thing, can i agree , i said quite a bit, that is, this is confusing, it’s one thing to curse israel, to go out there in a large crowd the street there to destroy some kind of embassy, ​​it’s beautiful, wonderful and there’s adrenaline and everything else , but these are the people and why, again, andrei vladimi, in principle, curse israel there somehow, i’ll just remind you of this, you wouldn’t be talking about it there were no past 70 years of palestinian refugee camps, they would have already constituted some problem , they constituted certain problems, i’m now speaking very gently about certain problems , you understand what the authorities of the countries that host them, you propose, you propose.

in the neighborhoods the gases are already being sorted out with their own. i’m just asking a very simple question , what’s easier: to curse israel, to go to a rally, or to help specific people from whom we actually started, you’ve somewhat confused everyone, because you’ve radically changed your attitude to refugees, you told me when there were events on the belarusian-polish border, or poland.

you said that you spoke little today, i seemed to mentally applaud you, i said great, wait, you said that the poles have every right not to allow refugees onto their territory, there are machine guns, what kind of war is going on in the republic of belarus, here i am a war try. who needs help, is young, and who throws, throws stones, excuse me at the police, he’s probably a little aggressive, probably shouldn’t be allowed in, unlike those people, the king of jordan said that he does not want these refugees, there is one nuance that is very important to understand the policies of arab countries, but for israel it would be ideal, and from the very beginning in 1948, if everyone. .. the refugees expelled from palestine would have been accepted by the neighboring arab countries, but from the point of view of these arab countries, this is completely unfair, because the palestinians lived there normally in their own country, then the great powers, the white people, decided that jews

should be given compensation for the holocaust create their own state, no one gives a damn about the palestinians who lived there in yafa, haifa, palestinian cities, so this logic is not accepted, the leaders of the arab states would ideally clear the territory of israel of all arabs, so that only odrians would live there, everything is fine, so in there is no life if the arab states, muslim states, are worried about the unfortunate palestinians, then we need to help them, how we need to help, now they are being kicked out of their homes, give them blood, no, we won’t give blood, then let’s discuss who spoke from ex some israeli foreign ministry official, listen, everything is there... a quote from the president of egypt, i don’t know whether it’s true or not, but now you just remembered about in the sinai desert, he says, and what’s not in the nigev desert, there’s also a lot

places, just people in general, driven from one place to another like this, kicked out of their homes, now from camps, you know that in gaza there are two refugee camps, where the descendants of those whom the israelis expelled from the territory live. that there is some kind of split in relation to right and wrong in general, there is palestine israel, and there is also inside palestinian position, as it were, there is also an internal split, what to do with these refugees, and so on and so forth , lellanavna, there were many arab-israeli wars, and after each arab-israeli war there were flows of refugees, which are already in a number of generations .. scattered throughout the arab world, they are in lebanon, there were problems there, 60% of the population of jordan are also palestinians, although they live not so compactly, they are in egypt, and even the gaza strip, where i have been several times, is there also

exists inside the palestinian refugee camp, this already in the third or fourth generation , the descendants of those who fled those territories where yafa is now, there near tel aviv and so on, so this. there is a solution to this problem, and not a quasi-solution, at least no one has an idea, but here is the statement of the israelis that you mentioned about sinai, after all, this, this is actually being proposed by the israelis now, according to my information, they discussed this with the boat , arrange at least tents. well, egypt doesn’t want this, it must pay for it, but the arabs no longer accept such proposals, which means well, it’s fun, let’s go now, we

’ll quickly watch the news, whether the president of iran started his statement or not, and we’ll go back to the air. well, they did the right thing by returning nikolaev to us, but i haven’t returned anywhere yet, if i’m going to return, then this is the only way. effectively, your friend simply knows how to please people, that’s for sure, with a twinkle, but this is in general, many of my abilities are hidden deep inside, you were a legend for our cadets, alexander ustyugov, for me you have nothing and never will, mikhail porechenko, on my command you will do everything that your mother forbade you as a child, national agent. are you a dangerous

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wounded - this, of course, is a disaster in one place, especially in a humanitarian place... so i really hope that this will be a signal that this conflict needs to be ended as quickly as possible, in any case , it is necessary to reduce the matter to a possibility the beginning of some contacts and negotiations. the president also said that the day before he had telephone conversations with five middle eastern leaders and said that, according to him, no one wants war. he noted that russia's position here is to be followed. moscow has always supported the creation of a sovereign a palestinian state, regardless of the stage of the middle east conflict. also, vladimir putin shared the results of the meeting with the leader of china sijinping, the agenda was very large, they discussed economics and finance, and of course, political interaction. according to the russian president, the negotiations with

sidzenping lasted 3 hours, they discussed primarily the bilateral agenda, while the leaders had a tête-tête conversation over a cup for one and a half to two hours. and they talked, as putin explained, on a completely confidential topic. of the main results of the meeting: a plan for interaction between russia and china until 2030. it will be signed very soon, at a meeting in bishke by the prime ministers of the two countries, according to the russian president. the plan will be specific and substantial. putin also spoke about plans for the development of infrastructure projects within the framework of initiative 1.1. path, including both the railway and road networks. at the same time, putin recalled that in terms of goods turnover, moscow and beijing have already overtaken germany, but judging by the latest news, andrei vladivich, a completely different person, appears next to the term grain deal meaning, russia and china are signing billion-dollar, i mean here in dollar terms, billion-dollar contracts for the supply of grain, again for many years to come, well, let ’s now take a short break on the middle east topic,

a little about then negotiations vladimir putin and sidzinpin, because the western press , well, it would seem, well, now you are busy there trying to somehow reconcile everyone there, no, for some reason the negotiations between the russian president and the chairmen of the people's republic of china attract almost more attention, and there there’s just such a panic, look, it means that the russians and the chinese have agreed on something, i’ll just give a few thoughts from the western media, there ’s a whole block of american media there, then... in every detail of vladimir’s trip putin to beijing, western journalists see the signals. the wall street journal writes that by rolling out the red carpet for the russian president, china has challenged the americans. cnn is worried that the meeting between the leaders of russia and china will not only

emphasize their common vision of a new world order, but will shake the global dominance of the united states, bringing putin and xi closer against the backdrop of geopolitical aggravation. believes that in beijing an excellent opportunity has opened up for russia to improve its image, but the associated press agency directly writes that putin and xi have created an informal alliance against the united states and other democratic countries, and the american media is supported by experts. many are talking about the approaching turning point in world politics, sidzenpin calls it a reversal, biden talks about a turning point. scholz on the decisive moment. whatever term you use, this time is fraught with danger. and the key factor is china and russia. they are noticeably nervous in brussels; the other day, the old fascist steppe barel, on the third attempt, still managed to get into

beijing, where he tried to convince his chinese partners to reconsider their relations with moscow and instead establish economic ties with the european union. the agency adds fuel to the fire. has long complained that china deprives the eu of attention and does not recognize its geopolitical significance, so borel, in desperation, asks beijing to put pressure on russia. i called on china to influence russia to stop the conflict in ukraine and achieve the restoration of the grain export agreement. the eu and china need to work together more than ever. vladimir's beijing negotiations also aroused the anger of the western allies. with hungarian prime minister viktor orban. the american ambassador in budapest condemned the meeting. the foreign press strongly emphasizes that orban is the only european leader who has come to the summit. to china. the british financial tymes called putin's meeting with orban is a significant achievement for the kremlin. they say the russian leader is using the trip to

challenge attempts to isolate our country. orban himself confirmed that budapest will continue to cooperate with moscow. due to the military operation and sanctions, our attitude has unfortunately suffered greatly. we are trying to salvage what we can from our bilateral contacts. they’re filming, clients are leaving, what’s so unexpected has happened now in beijing, well, these are sequential processes, why this somehow there are several reasons, firstly, after all, the west, despite the fact that china is behaving, well, politely, let’s say, too passively, yes, but here the chinese are simply demonstratively, demonstratively, even to

some extent making pro-russian statements, concluding pro-russian contracts, this is the first moment, the second moment, after all, this is a grandiose event, one belt one road is a project in which more than 130 countries are involved, join, everything will be happy for you, that’s the right question, they don’t join and don’t even want to, because on... to european leaders by china were not sent themselves, that is, maybe if macron had been invited, he would have come , so they have stated more than once that one train, one path is not needed, the italian prime minister is there, she even said, no, no, that we are there fit in once, not everything is to hell with this train of yours and brix was not needed, but macron was asking for a visit, the same thing and macron is just scared alone, he loves to fly, so in principle, let’s just say, nothing as such, unexpectedly for you and me , it didn’t happen, we are in this studio every time and outside this studio they said that western policy was simply pushing china and russia towards each other, but for some reason in the west

some of their western colleagues did not fully understand that this would really be the case, they completely believed that we had already completely screwed it up, or is it still possible to somehow get closer, maybe the question is whether we ourselves need to get even closer, get even closer, because again, we have india as a partner, which is very concerned about the russian-chinese rapprochement, we have some partners. east asia, which also looks at this with caution, this is not means that there is no need to get closer, but it means that we need to get closer with an eye on our other partners , you were talking before the interview about different blocs, there are anti-blocs, yes, that means, look, recently, there have been visits by the north korean leader to moscow, so putin and sidinpinde met several times, excuse me, in russia, but at the eastern cosmodrome, we are talking about. most likely the formation of some undeclared bloc consisting of north korea, china and russia,

directed against aucus, who is there southern, uh, excuse me, australia, the united kingdom, the usa, and south korea, japan, this is aukus, yes, on the other hand, the bloc led by china, most likely, that’s why the west got excited, because it ’s quite obvious formation, which is absolutely obvious, somehow this is about this, and it’s obvious to me, it’s obvious, good because to me it’s absolutely obvious that behind the façade of economic ties, some kind of military power and ties are being formed, which the west is very worried about, is it the exchange of intelligence data or is it something more like arms supplies, just you you tell us so mysteriously, it’s obvious that in this alliance, i’m absolutely convinced that the supply of north korean weapons is impossible... without the consent of china, but they are coming?

peskov said that there is no evidence, there are also deliveries and there is a story about nuran weapons, yes , and it is also clear that without the consent of china, which is a close partner of iran, there would be no supplies from iran, well, that is, this is not a fact , can i finish, i didn’t interrupt you, i interrupted you, but can i finish, now, now... i believe that the chinese sanction cooperation between north korea and iran and russia has been achieved, they will be such a gateway for cooperation with china, then there is a statement there by some russian officials that russia is expanding supplies there, well, components, yes, for the production of weapons, which include is of chinese origin, so i believe that this is a manifestation of certain

, indeed, if not agreement, then a green light, china needs it, as for iran, absolutely not, that’s what you painted a picture, it absolutely does not correspond in fact, i can’t imagine that ayatallah khaminya will call comrade sidzenpin and say : can i do this or that with the russians, there are no such relations between china and iran, iran decides on its own, but what about russia, this is the most complicated history of our relations, china has nothing to do with it at all, why paint... this picture has nothing to do with reality, how do you explain why the western press is having such a panic attack, i don’t see a panic attack, but i just looked, i saw how they write about this, but in bad time for us and for the chinese, this visit is going on from the point of view of media activity, because everything is absorbed in the middle east, so we just gathered in

a pleasant atmosphere, everything is a little simpler, both russia and china for the collective western world are an enemy, if the enemy is going to discusses something, decides something and at the same time becomes stronger in image, politically, financially, grabs pieces of the market, and this initiative is big, chinese, our russian, which are now correlated there together, it’s... about markets, about money, about logistics, about a huge, huge economy, if huge chunks of this economy are snatched away from the west , therefore they don’t like it, this is what’s caused in the first place, plus of course the image picture, when russia is against the backdrop of a huge number of heads of state, delegations are photographed and they hug, almost kiss, it’s good for us, but not for them, that

in such volumes, i say, as for the blocks, you know, there is one question, i have a lot. but here the north korean military will appear at the front, these iranians we will have some, a block is always not only about getting something from someone , but it is also an obligation, a huge obligation, and i think that no one on either side will take on such obligations, because well, let’s imagine that the north korean military suddenly went to help us, but then if we conquer the north, and then we, and then we will have to, it’s for money, it’s not just like that, you have all the money, “politics and so on and so on. ” things like that, of course, are two-sided, but it’s still when you make a simple explanation, the main thing is to stop in time, otherwise it becomes complicated, yes, let's return to it, to our topic, the main one, in a few minutes, the naturalness, the perfection of the taste

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used them against russia for the first time, well, it is clear that the journalists who saw this publication immediately asked bely for comments at home, because the supply of such long-range missiles was not officially announced, moreover, there were rumors that they were postponed indefinitely, the administration confirmed the information, saying that yes, the missiles were sent and ukraine received about twenty special modification missiles with a flight range of 165 km. earlier , american media, citing their sources in ukraine, claimed that atacom missiles were used to strike two russian airfields in the berdyansk area. russian ministry defense did not comment on this data in any way. video of the missile launch published by the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery. well, the terrorist zelensky thanked the americans for the timely supply of effective weapons, clarifying that the agreements with biden are being fulfilled, and quote: the attacks have proven themselves.

well, the military correspondent of the german publication bilt, julian röbki, we regularly show you some pieces of his statements, clarified exactly what missiles the united states transferred to ukraine, well , it would be hard for him to call these missiles somehow technologically advanced and super modern. according to röbka, an old modification of these atakms missiles arrived in ukraine; in particular, they do not have a gps navigation system, due to the fact that the weapons in which this system is used, according to röbka, are successfully suppressed by russian air defense, because of this purpose missiles have to be set the old fashioned way, so-called inertial guidance. vladimir putin also commented on the supply of long-range atap missiles to kiev today during the same conversation with journalists in china, the president said that yes, weapons are serious, they create an additional threat, but it will not be able to somehow reverse the situation at the front; russia will be able to repel these attacks.

putin called the deliveries themselves a mistake in this is another mistake on the part of the united states for several reasons at once, firstly, if they had not supplied weapons, they could in the future say, well, if we had supplied everything we could, then the situation would have changed, but it would have led to unnecessary casualties, we are so good, we didn’t do it, but they did it, but there will be no result, a mistake, well, finally, there is nothing good for ukraine in this sense either, it just prolongs the fire, journalists also asked vladimir putin to comment on the words of joe biden, who said that russia lost the war with ukraine, well, let’s listen to the president’s answer, if the war is lost to russia, why supply atacoms, let them take back atacoms, all other weapons, they sit down, they are sick, they come to us for tea if the war is lost. well, what are we going to talk about,

why attack? ask him this question, it’s funny, andrei vladinovich, here we have to to apologize to another andrei, a statement restoring justice, which means last week, if you remember, we talked about the next meeting in the ramstein format , where even zelsky came there, then they brought, well, they gave a quote, and they quoted lloyd austin, the head of the pentagon. who says: we don’t make any decisions regarding attacks, i don’t know anything , based on this, then i really ran into andrei vladimov . they teased him, something like that, i didn’t tease him, i portrayed the way he portrayed - biden, because a few days earlier, mr. fedorov told us that biden had signed an order on the transfer of missiles to attacks, that’s what andrei vladimovich did, i portrayed it all very talentedly, then, in total... this

mezzanine of ours with him was what i began to lead a chronicle of andrei vladimirovich’s forecasts, which i do not refuse, but in this case, mr. fedorov, i have to admit it, unfortunately, i turned out to be right, not unfortunately for me that he turned out to be right, but that this is his information extremely unpleasant, yes, i am i agree with our president, but the information is still unacceptable, it was confirmed , moreover, anich, it seems to me that he was the first in general to already declare that the missiles had been delivered, it was not anywhere in the telegram, is it some kind of thing? it could be, yes, we can sort of argue with andrei vladimirovich there about all his forecasts, in general they are all worse than each other, and god forbid that they do not come true, but here it seems to have come true, so that’s when i at meetings with you, dear spectators ask, you actually ask tv viewers at concerts, why are you inviting fedorov , here’s an explanation for why, i always tell you that we still need andrei vladimir with his insights, it would be better of course they didn’t...

these predictions were forgotten by him, oh well, we’ll watch, when he arrives, i hope he won’t bring any more unpleasant news, now let’s continue about justice, which means i said that we will return to our topic today, this is how we want to structure the conversation now, in my opinion, this is this one trying to find the right one assign someone to blame, there is some kind of, maybe, an attempt at some kind of craving for justice, what israeli leaders are now telling us, at almost all levels, they say that they are waging a fair fight against the new nazis, that is, hamas is equal to nazism , everyone has already said this, and netanyahu said it, and the president of israel said, duke, and there’s a bunch of other things, and then some kind of dichotomy begins.

because if you fight the nazis, regardless of the methods, excuse me, the end justifies the means, but i don’t have any other comparison the question arises, in fact, do you have the right to do this? because one gets the impression that now, when indeed the world community probably allows israel, well, almost everything , maybe a little less... yes, the jews survived the catastrophe, they survived the holocaust, so they now have you have every right to deal with your enemy by any means, this is a dubious story, as it seems to me, as it seems to my colleagues, some, we actually wanted to talk about this today, let's look at the first plot. on tuesday, israeli prime minister

netanyahu met with german chancellor scholz, who specially arrived in tel aviv to personally demonstrate solidarity with the jewish state in the current conflict. scholz, in particular, stated that berlin’s duty, quote, “to defend the existence and security of israel, saying that after the holocaust is germany’s responsibility, and netanyahu was not at a loss when he called the hamas nazis. hamas are the new nazis. hamas is isis, in some cases even worse, than isis. and just like the world united to defeat the nazis, just as the world united to defeat isis, the world must unite behind israel to defeat hamas. the israeli prime minister already tried last week. hamas and the nazis, declaring that the militants did not spare women, children, or even old people who survived the holocaust, which means that now there will be no mercy for them either, the israeli defense minister, yoav galland, also remembered about the genocide of the jews, however, when he fell apart in threats, promised to destroy everyone

who came to kill those who could not exterminate the nazis. israeli politicians directly compare the current attack on israel to the holocaust. not since the holocaust have we seen something like this when a jew... women and children, grandparents, were herded into trucks and taken prisoner. we have never seen so many jews die in one day. washington picked up this rhetoric. the us special envoy to combat anti-semitism said that such a number of jews had not been killed in one day since the holocaust. parallels between the attack by palestinian militants and the persecution of jews during the second world war, carried out by the us secretary of justice, marrick garland. and biden, in another interview, hiding behind historical events, gave israel carte blanche for any operations against the palestinians. israel is persecuting a group of people who are engaged in barbarism, it has the same consequences as the holocaust, so i think israel should answer hamas for their actions, they will have to persecute hamas. however, this

point of view is not shared by everyone, for example, colombian president gustava petra, in response to the israeli ambassador’s demand to condemn the attacks hamas called the israeli authorities neo-nazis. recalling how the israeli defense minister called the palestinians humanoid animals in gaza. in tel aviv, the colombian leader was accused of anti-semitism; the country's ambassador was summoned for a serious conversation. israel also stopped exporting arms to colombia, and bogata responded by threatening to sever diplomatic relations with israel. well , if hamas must be destroyed, let 's again return to what was said today, that so far 'on the palestinian side, among the dead, there are mostly civilians residents, well, some hamas members, of course, were killed, and there jihadists were killed, but mostly civilians, now this is such a bitter joke, in my opinion, but very apt, that israel cannot be condemned for genocide, because their president is jewish

, we know, but where the legs grow from, so bogdan anatolyevich, don’t you think that the opinion is really being formed that if a nation survived the holocaust, it has... a little more right to retribution compared to other nations that did not survive the holocaust. this is the opinion that we now see in representation western powers, but here a lot is overlooked, yes, of course, the holocaust is a tragedy, of course, nazism is a crime, but why then do they not pay attention to nazism, which is taking place in ukraine, why then the israeli ambassador, how he doesn’t react to this, why then 200 israelis. specialists are trained by the armed forces of ukraine, well, they seem to have already left , yes, but israeli specialists have been there since 1914, now we even knew their number, along with the fact that these are people who represent the ideology thanks to which the jews were exterminated in the old ages, but isn’t there hypocrisy here, isn’t it used

only when it’s convenient, this historical memory, isn’t it used only to achieve some kind of history again if it is perceived as a kind of political instrument, then it is absolutely correct. but then in this case nothing prevents the rest of us in russia from using history as a political tool to achieve our goals in purely pragmatic rational, for example, well, if - let’s just say if we are now saying that the use of history for political purposes is not very good, then why should we repeat this, well, ugly act, i ’m afraid that we will not be able to abolish this use as such, but if israel claims these lands on... the basis of historical law, because they were expelled from there long ago, why can’t we return to kiev, which russia lost there 30, or even 100 years ago , the russian empire there, this is incomparable closer we can to it.

i’m worried about another option, which is that now they somehow don’t pay attention to the nuclear component of the conflict, because israel has not ratified the nuclear test ban treaty, has not entered into the nuclear weapons agreement, and so on, back to this concept that the people who suffered from such a catastrophe as the holocaust have the right. and for him it is an indulgence to use any methods that he wants, arkadievich, as far as this concept works on a global scale, to the extent that he is ready to accept this concept westerners, maybe even our spectators and laymen, nod their heads and say that yes, they survived, and now it’s possible, you know, i ’ll tell you this, the concept is wrong in principle, because things that are generally incomparable, both historical and political, and what is used. i understand all the rhetoric that is behind this, i understand the references, i understand that this is natural, it’s like

a completely understandable instinct, a media instinct, these are the leaders of israel, they say, this is not media, we quoted you the leaders of israel, i i understand, i heard all this, but in this case, from my point of view, this is a big overkill and other people who, in principle, make reference to this, to this terrible event, the fact is that what is happening now in the gas sector with hamas, in general there is little that has little to do with the events of 43, 44 years in europe, the thing is that you need to understand, you know, what it is, that after all, i want to emphasize once again what gaza is, gaza is it metropolis, almost 2.5 million people taken hostage, from my point of view, i emphasize, from my point of view, a terrorist organization called hamas, which means that these people really came to power in... the year, having destroyed, by the way, quite a few of their own fellow tribesmen, yes, arafatites, people from

other palestinian camps, no, this is a fact, they are generally destroyed a lot, we need to understand what is behind this conflict, several components, first, hamas certainly wants to increase the scale of the conflict, to a regional one in the middle east, second, hamas certainly sets a goal, from the power of such relatively, relatively, let us so let’s return a little to our topic so as not to go straight away. today i’m interested in understanding that we are throwing around such terms that is no longer good, because the meaning is being leveled out, we are starting to scatter words like genocide.

to put on these labels, don’t you think that something like this is happening now, and if this is happening, as much as it can be, it’s unpleasant for understanding the general awareness of history, look, let’s be precise, let’s be precise in terms, even its most , that you need to understand that hamas has been ruling gaza for more than 16 years, so there is not a single person there who does not share the ideology, this too, this is also wrong, because of course, hamas is supported at best by those, from those sources that i studied, at best, 55-60% of the population of gaza, no need to say that all of gaza

is absolutely unanimous for hamas, this is not so, no, it’s all clear, and what you just said when vanya confirmed, you just didn’t hear, you didn’t understand, they said it wasn’t not a fact, but a fact, vanya says the fatah movement, yes, everything is correct, they have it there, they have it too , they are against each other, that’s what i say , that’s when, and the hamas people say that it means we need to destroy all of them. israelis and not only israelis, you look, now it’s starting again in europe , some people are running around there, this seems to me to be one of the consequences when it’s too easy here - labels are attached, well, here it should be noted that in fact the leadership israel neutralizes the concept of the holocaust, because the holocaust is after all, the extermination of the jewish population during the great patriotic war, this has no other so far, well, this term. well, what difference does it make if they perceive it as the extermination of jews, the extermination of jews, so

they call it with the same word that refers to politics, mental or cognitive war, substitution of the concept. firstly , if we touch upon the history of this conflict in general, yes, here my colleague will probably confirm with me that let’s go deeper in general, because the palestinian population is the only population that for all those for many years after the end of the second world war, it could not but could not integrate , palestinian refugees were not fully integrated, excuse me, into palestinian society itself, and if we sail along the coast, in peacetime, the coast of the gaza strip, we will see on the one hand the beautiful villas in which representatives of local criminals live, who are connected with jewish criminals, israeli criminals, and smuggling is going on there, at least from the other side, behind these pitchforks we will see slums, which are a breeding ground, including for militants, well, we mentioned today, and the refugee camps that are located right there in the gas, and here

we probably should have, well, here i am entering into what should have been... ... to make the jewish leadership literate, not to use hamas as, trying to use hamas as their tame, and terrorists, with which at one time it was possible to partially suppress the fatah movement, but to try somehow either to integrate the palestinians into their society, which is quite difficult, or to provide im wide the possibility of integration into egypt, i don’t know to what extent this was possible, that is , you probably know better, we are still moving on to discussing middle eastern solutions. maksimevich, i will repeat the question once again to what extent the use of this very strong historical label as the holocaust by the current israeli authorities relates to what hamas is doing, to what extent will this be accepted by the international community,

as such, as a defensive one, that hamas is also this. the holocaust is genocide and is strongly opposed to any labeling vladimirovich, labeling devalues ​​this very concept, when the word genocide is constantly used, but holocaust, fortunately, is not used so often, genocide is very often, the holodomor for ukrainians is genocide, it’s bad, but it’s not genocide, nazism, we have any bad manifestation, this is already nazism, it is a synonym for some, well, there are many words that you love, for example, it’s better to say this than to call them a nazi and a fascist, these terms have their own clear definition, as for some part of western society,

this term will be accepted , if it's in execution israelis, because indeed... condescension towards israel has always existed and exists now and more is allowed, wait maksimich, if western society accepts this term, because it is performed, as it were, by the israelis, and for israel it is some kind of additional, like no matter how scary it sounds here, listen, but now everything goes through emotions, through intensifying emotions, the simple problem is that there are two information bubbles that do not touch each other, especially because it dominates, firstly, social networks and emotional primitive stupid perception, black and white, one’s stranger, the truth is only one’s own, that’s all that

concerns condescension, you see, from the very beginning there was... a huge condescension towards israel, but in 1948 the jewish radicals who joined later, it was already the state of israel, it was the end of forty-eight, they killed un special representative bernadotte, a relative of the swedish royal family, in jerusalem, and what do you think, someone strongly condemned, some kind of investigation was carried out, it is known who these four people they were arrested, detained, punished, someone put pressure on israel, on israel in this regard, no , because 3 years after the second world war it is impossible to offend jews, now 80 years have passed, still somehow their excesses are looked at more condescendingly, but this is a fact, this is a mistake, so come on, on a national basis, i apologize, firstly, i

believe that one cannot offend anyone on a national basis, as a matter of principle, because this always inflates such things. conflicts, but the question was asked whether it would give the world community, well, in particular the west, permission for israel to deal with the palestinians, as apparently it is planning today, because what is supposed to be done, it seems to me, in gas, but this is for at least half of the population, whether through evictions, with whether with the help of extrusion into egypt, or with the help of some kind of military purge, and this already seems to me, the israeli leadership will think about what kind of support it will receive, this is not an outcome, something somehow different, this is by and large. well, i i think that this can be called a war crime if a million people are somehow driven from their place or partially killed or, i don’t know, in some way,

infringed in this way, military, and it seems to me that this kind of permission fundamentally, the world community cannot ask anyone the last question, i understand that we are going over, after a pause, but some kind of historical platform needs to be brought under, it seems to me that there is a certain cover-up here, of course, well, on the part of israel, here such terminology, and exploitation of a good relationship, based on this story that happened to them in the last century, yes, but it seems to me that the west is quite ready, at least in the person of the united states, to this same music, as they say. yes, let us continue this music , unfortunately, which will be eternal, we will continue in a few minutes, every third

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this is a guilt before the jews, the second world war is a guilt before russia, well, the war against the soviet union, i said many times in a straightforward diplomatic form that you owe us, i tried to awaken this sense of responsibility before ukraine. kiev has been reconciling the role of the victim for a long time; during her june visit to israel, the wife of the terrorist zelensky, as if by chance , drew parallels between the genocide of jews and what is now happening in ukraine right there accused russia of trying to destroy the ukrainian nation. previously, similar comparisons were made by the terrorist zelsky himself. this is massive. this is a large-scale and vile war aimed at destroying our people, destroying our children, our families. the nazi party called this the final solution to the jewish question. listen to the same words being spoken again in moscow now: the final decision. however, now... in

relation to us. at the same time, in ukraine they strongly emphasize the jewish roots of the terrorist president, which does not interfere with kiev slide into outright nazism. at the beginning of this month, zelsky assigned one of the battles the name of the leader of the organization of ukrainian nationalists banned in russia, yevgeny kanavalets. he actively worked for the third reich and was proud to know hitler. and just recently, the terrorist president joyfully applauded the ukrainian nazi from the sss galicia division, yaroslav gonka, in the canadian parliament. nazism in germany. at the end of september, the government announced that it was not ready to equate ukrainian radicals from aun upa and azol, banned in russia, to extremists or anti-sems. moreover, berlin allegedly has no evidence of the involvement of ukrainian national formations in the mass murder

of jews. they are playing along with kyiv in washington. at a meeting with netanyahu, blinken said that his jewish grandfather fled pogroms in russia. true, the secretary of state forgot to mention that this happened in the kiev province and, to be honest, it was not his grandfather, but his great-grandfather. i come before you not only as us secretary of state, but also as a jew. my grandfather, maurice blinken, fled pogroms in russia. my stepfather survived the concentration camps, svenets, dachau, majdanok. on a personal level , i understand the heartbreaking impact of the hamas massacres on israeli jews. and in general for jews all over the world. alexander nikolaevich, don’t you have the feeling that ukraine , especially the last 3-4 years there, is trying to shift this focus of historical memory, this is what kuleba said, we mean to the germans, so that before the jews, before the russians,

you are before us , excuse me, come on, no, i have feelings, but i would like to point out a more general thing, which means you need to understand that with the collapse after the war, after the second. systems of international relations, today we are experiencing a complete collapse of those ethical norms that were established, let’s say, after the nuremberg, so to speak, trial, and which existed for 70 years, but let’s do this, what kind of norms were they? you can explain to me, maxim anatorevich said, it was not very, not very accepted there for jews. once it’s clear, what other norms are there? no, that’s not the point, whose guilt complex does the german have, what is the respected man doing now? the expert community, including in this studio, is a reflection of these norms

, let's understand both of them, let's remember who remembers, calm down, i feel that you are coming, wait, you, you invited me, us later. accused of something, well, what’s wrong with the fact that you need to understand both of them, no, you can understand anyone, but what needs to be taken into account, you need to take into account that every people, every nation, has its own basic ideas , in the case of the jewish people, one of these basic ideas is the concept of the holocaust, this is not the only idea, there is a lot of stuff there from the times of the old testament, but that is not what we gathered for... in the case of the ukrainian people, this is the idea of ​​the holodomor, this is also from the times of the old testament, no, but they don’t have such a history, where are you, now post-soviet, people are obsessed

with june 22, 1941, every nation has it, and if in the system of these coordinates after the war they tried to somehow level it out , then now with with the collapse of the previous system of international and ethical relations, maxim is absolutely right, emotional bubbles are inflated. and accordingly, what do i want to conclude? accordingly, each person faces the need, in each specific case, if it does not directly concern him, if he is not ukrainian or jew, or arab, and so on, to take a certain position, this is... for me today i take a position

pro-israel for one for two very simple reasons, the first reason is that that from my point of view, israel is at least a civilization in the region. here palestine, again in the region, is anti-civilization, the second reason is related to the widespread spread of islamic sentiments in europe, which i think is unambiguous, so you say, your position today, and in a week there, it may change for you, this position, in a week, no, well, in a year, i just remember , once you explained to us that this is why the ukrainians are the same and treat us, because you came there and you started everything there this, now you no longer say ukrainians, but say their ukrainians and offer them.

that is, your position can change by 180°, which means no, my position today is again dictated by one more parameter, israeli jews represent the right spectrum, but in general, nevertheless, israel will be very surprised that they are on the left, the main thing , arkadvich, please wait, to one very famous austrian artist,

let’s not liken him, because this term is very incorrect, and not only israel brings civilization to the middle east, you don’t know this region at all, hamas certainly doesn’t belong to the left, these are religious fundamentalists, which ones to look for , excuse me, there’s nothing left there, it’s just that islam is a more social religion than christianity, judaism, that’s a religion. social islam also needs to be understood a little, you know, well, in any aspect we need to touch on who is right and who is wrong in this conflict, but for me both are wrong, well, that is, we are now not trying to understand both of them, but we we cannot understand either one or the other, and even here, let me speak as a patriot of russia, by and large, who is right and who is to blame in this protracted conflict, to

me as a person, well, the interests of the russian federation are at the forefront, i absolutely, now i probably caused some negative emotions, i don’t care at all, this conflict makes it possible to weaken support for ukraine from the west, this conflict creates problems for our geopolitical enemy, so the longer it takes, any development is beneficial for us, yes, any development is beneficial for me as a patriot of my country, i feel sorry for those it’s a pity for the people who died on the 7th in israel, we need to talk to terrorists from a position of strength, destroy them without a doubt , we need to carry out carpet bombing of civilians, it’s probably not worth it, here in our country we show much better indicators, but the tsakhal can trick you now the operation in the gas sector is precisely a targeted one, excuse me, colleague, i’ll probably agree, the guard was no longer the same as it was, yes, this was not the guard of the fifties,

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any concessions, nothing will happen, i think everyone will be in their own lane develop, in the policy that he imagines for himself... more profitable and hide behind some informational reasons, it seems to me that here, since israel is stronger, i think he will solve this problem, but most likely he will not solve the problem completely... clear the gases from the population, much less completely clear the gases from hamas, because lead there i’m interrupting you, maybe they, the current israeli leaders understand this, so they are trying to hide behind, look at the holocaust, because i think what’s next the military method will be carried out, another question is what to do with 2 million more population? and you can try to politically bring some other force there, yes, but they themselves brought there , in fact, hamas to power, having removed

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uh, to resolve the current middle east conflict, you need to try, uh.... to understand both warring sides, or vice versa, you need to firmly take the position of one of these sides, alexander nikolaevich, well, i was brought up in soviet times at the university, so i know that all contradictions are antagonistic in nature, and they are resolved only by the complete physical destruction of one of the parties, as vladimir lenin wrote, so bogdan anatolyevich, i believe that it is possible here. resolution of the conflict, if we exclude alexander nikolayevich’s option, only on the basis of a un decision, which dates back to the eighth year and speaks of the need to create two states, but at the same time we should not forget about russian, russian national state interests, and maxim anatolyevich, this question we haven’t solved it yet, but if in the future, i hope they start to solve it, then we certainly need to try to understand both sides, moreover, learn

think for them, get into their shoes, only then can this conflict be somehow resolved, only in this way with such a historical background, but can i rewind a little about the historical background, about attempts to understand and so on in 1912, two great powers, austria-hungary and the russian empire, were surprised to discover that the newly -minted balkan states, previously considered their satellites, began to destroy the ottoman empire, and did not refuse any criticism from either side, nor did they refuse from st. petersburg at all, they didn’t react, it all ended in partial mobilization, either from the russian empire or from the built-in hungary, but then it calmed down, and after 2 years it flared up. there was a lot of negative information today, so i need to somehow switch it all over, and then i’ll briefly remind you that residents of kalining and the region will be able to recharge themselves with positivity on sunday, let’s meet on the twenty-second at the dcc

of railway workers, but according to today’s program, well ... the only such insert we had today was russian-chinese cooperation and such bright spot, so today i’ll tell you one eastern one, it’s even such a parable, not an anecdote, but a parable, rather about friendship, it means that one young man decided to get married, well, a few days before the wedding, he tells his father and says: i now have to leave for work, a very important business trip, i can’t cancel , i’ll ask you, here is my address book, all my friends are here, there are about 200 of them, please call them all and invite me to the wedding, because.. i can’t, i don’t have time, my father tells him: okay, well, young man left, this man started calling these numbers, and he told everyone that an accident had happened to his son, he was in such a difficult situation. he needs help, so please, could you come on such and such a day, to such and such a place, his son returns from a business trip and his wedding party arrives, and there are 15 people there in total, and he says to his father, listen , well, i

asked you to invite all my friends, and my father says: you know, son, i lived a long life and understood something, your real friends are all here today, and the rest don’t need you, it was a meeting place that cannot be changed, 14:00 weekdays ntv broadcast, goodbye. protests and mourning throughout the arab world, tragedy in the gas sector, the death of hundreds of people after a rocket attack on a hospital with women and children. an american arrived in israel today. president, how can this visit change the situation? economic equality, future prosperity, vladimir putin's visit to beijing for the one train forum ends today.