ntv television company and rosatom state corporation present a program, science and us, a program about how science will change our lives in the next 10 years. i am vladimir antokhin, i am ekaterina shugaeva, in 10 years science will explain the phenomenon of power, well, i would really like to, because i invited optimists who believe, believe me, we are so powerful, mm inexplicable, yes, dear, but i invited optimists who they believe that in 10 years science will really explain the phenomenon. authorities, this is andrei manoilo, political scientist, good evening, and andrei novikov, lonskoy, culturologist, writer, hello, according to tradition, my guests are skeptics , this is ivan yurov, geneticist, good evening, and taras varkhotov, excuse me, and taras varkhotov, philosopher, good evening, good evening, good evening, at the end of the program our the guests are optimists, they will make a forecast with what probability in 10 years science will explain the phenomenon of power, our expert, professor kapustin, will tell about the history of power. the words power

have ancient slavic roots. the word power comes from the word to own, that is, to exercise the right of ownership in relation to something or anyone. in this sense, power is the ability to influence other people. power appeared at the moment when our wandering ancestors switched to a sedentary lifestyle. this happened in the fourth millennium bc. labor between members of the same group: the strongest and most evil began to be called leaders. buildings, palaces and temples became attributes of power. this is how empires arose. the oldest empire was egyptian. it existed until our era, when egypt was conquered by the powerful empire of rome. the greek empire became a model for future european states. precisely in greece.

medicine, mathematics, astronomy, unfortunately, we know much less about the empires of persia, india, china; in all the mentioned empires, slavery flourished, which only in the 15th century began to turn into a vassalage with the supreme overlord. today , power exists wherever there is joint activity; it is a necessary attribute of social relations. i tell you all the time, power - so i have a question for you, yes, that’s exactly how you consider yourself a powerful person? i, yes, but how is the desire to become president assessed? well, how positive, are you domineering or not? no, what are you talking about, i’m not at all, but , but i brought with me an animal that is considered obvious , so to speak, well, i don’t know, i don’t know, maybe

ivan yurevich, actually the question is, not as genetics, we’ll consider this is so, but what do you think, was there a time in the history of mankind when there was no power at all, but from an evolutionary point of view, again , it was possible, but here the question arises of what we specifically consider a person, because that in principle we, as a rule... but at the same time i assume that there were other types of humans, well, again, that how they organized the process of living together there, of course, we know very poorly, but nevertheless from the point of view, again as well as genetics and other things, in general, a person can live without power, but as they say, mostly individually or in small groups, but he didn’t hear that, from the point of view... again

, it’s like power, well, it’s not is considered as a certain attribute of a person as such, this most likely more, so to speak, environmental factors, certain ones that influenced certain qualities of a person, which in turn were formed by these are not our animal instincts, just like a wolf has no power, well, i would not say that this is an animal instinct, i would say that this is a social necessity, and a social necessity, as the phenomenon of power was explained, there is, of course, a question of who the ancients are in this case, because yes, the topic, the topic is actually younger than is usually considered, and i would start with that when we we discuss complex things, yes, we always have some gap between what is implied, well, that is, we believe that power is still something that exists in the real world, yes , something that describes the relationships between people, complex social community.

and so on, at the same time we have some concepts , yes, and tied to some words, that is , there are some concepts, articulated explanations and so on, and in fact, the more complex the subject, the more these things can diverge, i'm getting to the point that the actual concept of power, like all complex concepts, is very historical, yes, at different times the degree of interest in this subject, and the points that are emphasized in it, were very different, and for ancient philosophers, power in our modern sense of the word was a subject of interest actually wasn’t, yes, that is, if we take ancient greek culture, and in fact even medieval, christian culture, but they... were interested in all the diversity and those that we now associate with power, mainly only power power, yes, their way of describing our life together certainly took this element into account, but on the whole it was more accurate on issues of solidarity, common goals and

so on, yes, and accordingly, if you look at the old words that still have for us meaning, then well, the closest synonyms of the ancient greek. to the russian word power - this is, respectively, kratas, dunamis, arche , yes, what do they mean, well, kratas is the power of power in its pure form, yes, it is titanium, if we take a mythological example, titanium, son horror, yes, in this sense, so to speak, power is horror, so power is like pure power, yes, like pure power, it is a child of horror in the literal sense of the word, sensestyx, yes, and dunamis is again about strength . about the opportunity to do something, to realize something, and archeus is a slightly different meaning, this is the beginning, and accordingly, archeus as a synonym for power is something that we immediately associate with living together, and archeus is like that say, the oldest manager, yes, the head, and so on, this is

the beginning in the social sense, the beginning in the sense ontological, beginning in the sense of making a decision and so on, and this same word actually means the first beginning in the natural sense, and that from which... the world is made, from which society is made, and assembled, and a very similar set in latin , although here, well, the meaning of the words very much influenced the general reading of the problem, christian culture, yes, here too, the central concept will probably be the concept of potestas - power, and which comes from the verb with the meaning to be able, yes, and here power is understood as opportunity do something. now we usually interpret it in the spirit of the possibility of violence, yes, that is, the possibility of someone being stopped was interpreted by the first one, well, one way or another, christianity as an opportunity to do something, to help, that is, in general, an opportunity to do something, but well

it is clear that ultimately this comes down to god , who can do everything, is omnipotent, in this sense he is, but here is the embodiment of power in the proper sense of the word, well, and one more important thing to take up quite a lot of time in the beginning and dominium, which by the meaning is very close to the original meaning of the word power in the russian language, to which professor kapustin briefly referred, and it seems to me that we are in vain in it to emphasize, so to speak, the moment of violence, seizure and coercion, it rather means possession, possession of something , yes, this is primarily about the land, yes, but the land is actually that. the very thing the world is made of, the very arche. well, by the power given to me, i announce advertising, advertising on ntv. don't miss central television, the first information show, events and people weeks. the political murders behind which

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at the end of the program our guests , optimists and skeptics, will make a forecast with what probability in 10 years science will explain the phenomenon, the nature of power, that’s the essence of power, our expert, professor kapustin, discusses. power is a special essence, this essence manifests itself in the form of a special force, forcing other subjects to obey. power is always identified with the ability of the subject to carry out his will. today, the concept of power is one of the central ones in political science. understanding this phenomenon allows us to understand the essence of political processes, and of politics itself. defining power and its nature is essential not only for understanding politics, but also for analyzing and interpreting various political phenomena. back in the ancient times. attempts to understand the essence

of power, and currently this is becoming undoubted relevance. the modern world confronts us with difficult tasks, difficult decisions, difficult for entire countries and states. and every time this proves the fact that power can turn into evil will for a person. andrey viktorovich, well, really, what is power, and what sciences study its nature today. but first of all , it should be said that power is a very interesting thing, first of all, it is interesting from the point of view of owning this power, because a person who owns all the power power, i think he does not seek to study it, he simply uses it, for example, if you are a big leader, you have many subordinates.

but in your office the air conditioner has broken down, it’s a miserable, hot summer afternoon, it’s stuffy, you start calling these subordinates, giving them meaningless orders, they run back and forth, and you have ventilation, that’s the benefit of power, and the desire to study power is scientific methods arises among those people who do not have this power, or strive to have it, or do not have it fully, and they are interested, not so much the nature of power, how much it is possible to... seize it, that is, the mechanisms of acquisition, delegation and redistribution, and this apparently attracted scientists from a variety of categories, among other things, there is one more, one very interesting category that we, well - we feel power when this power is either used in relation to us, or we use it ourselves, when we use it ourselves, it’s a thrill and a drive, because well , you’re a person invested with power, it sounds proud, uh, but what happens , if we

we are faced with a person who, in appearance, as professor kapustin said, does not look like the most evil and aggressive leader, but at the same time has the right to use this power, as we learn that he has this right, by the attributes and symbolism that he wears, can carry with him, can be carried somewhere in his chest pocket, let’s go, and that means i tried to quickly gather at home before the broadcast how power is exercised? well, a well-known well-known principle is a gingerbread, uh-huh gingerbread, uh-huh, you can really to use them at the same time, so this predecessor stuffed him into his mouth and then beat him with a whip, but it’s interesting that you have some kind of modern whip, that’s what it was, i was looking, looking for a whip, but with someone with this whip. i was chasing, i lost it, apparently, i only found it, well, someone stole your attribute of power, or

took it away, being struck in the very heart by this attribute, this is also yes, identification, yes, and valid, or rather, when- then it was active, real, no less effective, moreover, if correct moving them to the desired point can be more effective than weapons. here, but also, this is an important attribute of power, and of course, this cylindrical object, yes, made of pure bog oak, this is a rod, it’s true that it’s not striped, but... although, in principle, an object not associated with between us and the authorities , as we know, as in that saying, but an addressed monkey in a circus can give guidance, but now let’s move on to the branches of science, let’s try to introduce

some certainty there or systematization, branches of science, how interesting does that sound? but here we have power, which is interesting to everyone who studies it, well, first of all, it is the mother of all sciences, this is , of course, philosophy, because it was philosophers or people inclined to this that in ancient times began to think about what the nature of power is, who , who gives it to those people? and the right to dispose of others and how to get it and how to get it, yes, of course, in ancient times it was through obligatory magical rituals , you walked around the fire three times, it seems you can count on some kind of message

on top there is a rod, an identification card, then yes, then some of the same rituals appeared there, voting, elections are democratically undemocratic, that is, all this developed at the same time, knowledge of the nature of power developed, voting is no different from jumping around a fire, in principle, let’s say, there is a lot left from this level of archetypes, let's say pro-government means philosophy, second, well, of course, political science, because what bothers us most is what type of power, the power of money, especially if we have this money, no, power, state, state, yes, because power, political power, because any. political power is based on the use of legitimate violence, yes, of course, if you enjoy the use , this is of course great, but practice shows that political power is not always, accordingly, political science studies only the political nature of power, that is, the processes of obtaining, acquisition, delegation of this power, and also sociology,

someone has to measure it, right? to, of course, of course, then there is, because the same power relations, the same leadership , which and dominance, which arise in social structures, as these social structures become more complex, it becomes more complex, both the institutions of power and the mechanisms for their implementation, medicine, even it’s not even like that, psychology, we have forgotten it as always, psychology is a kind of science, because... there is a belief that the opinions that arise when two psychologists meet are always more than two, that is, two psychologists met, three opinions appeared, but that’s why no less, psychology is also trying to penetrate the depths of knowledge of this phenomenon, in this regard, modern psychology explains quite well the desire for power, the thirst for

power, the thirst for power, those relational processes that encourage people... for power and to take risks in doing so their well-being, the orderlies are carefully watching this from a safe distance, thank you, okay, andrei anatelevich, and what types of power exist in general, that’s who is involved, it’s clear, and the types of power, well, in modern political science it is accepted talk about three main branches... respectively, these are the legislative, executive, judicial, we know all this , but they often talk about the so-called fourth power, namely the power of journalists, the power of the media, they even came up with the term mediacracy, all this is the people, some are more popular than others

, so this is all clear, it’s even written in the constitution, well, everything except the power of the media, of course, although no one has abolished freedom of speech either, but it seems to me that - from the point of view of some kind of internal, inescapable serious structure of power , not changing throughout human history, we can talk about four types that were formulated in ancient times, even in ancient india, in fact , not only in india, in general during the era of ancient kingdoms, yes, when we talk about the power of priests , priesthood. spiritual power, yes, the power of the brahmans, is in the same place, that is, it is power over the souls, minds of people, and, people who actually determine the rules, norms of life, well, they decide who is right, who is wrong, what is fair, what no, well, in general, the whole thing

the system of values ​​is determined by them, and then, as we know, the next varna, the next type of power is power, and the power of power is a warrior, the power of kings, and well, actually today this is just like state, main, basic power, power, as we understand it, is precisely this very power , and... the power of the kshatriyas, and then, vaishya, that is, it is trade, economic, financial power, this is the power of the very money that we have already talked about they said, it seems to me that it now prevails in the world, it, it is not clearly given, it is not spelled out in the constitution of, say , any country, yes, but nevertheless, we know that at least since the times of, well, those same rothschalds who financed the royal houses of europe , they were controlled, respectively, by the authorities financially and industrially. sector is very very serious and maybe really dominates in many ways, although it is a little hidden, and of course, the power

of the working people, the power of the working people, the proletariat, well, this is exactly the socialist idea, what we have already seen in xx century, to which many countries are moving in their own way, but in their own way, yes, not through revolution, but through slow evolution, like the scandinavian countries, i don’t know whether they succeed or not, but it is customary to say that there ... they don’t really want to give it away, it seems to me that somehow everything here is not easy, but i would just like to emphasize this idea that, at the same time, it would seem, well, what kind of priests are today, yes, well, or there are some warriors there, yes, somehow everything sounds ancient, too much, in fact, the typology of power itself is not has changed, you can control spiritually, intellectually, you can control money, control the power of weapons, and this new type of power really appears, information power, media power, which is somewhat similar. to this barakhmana priestly power, since it is power over minds, but this is the circle we have gone through and returned to a new stage, perhaps to such a new type, a subtype

of this very spiritual power, plus even new powers, types of power appear , but we’ll talk about this later, i think, taras alexandrovich, you know what my question is, they say sometimes today they already remembered that same manager whose air conditioner broke down, he needs everyone to run around, but often..." they say, as soon as a person became a leader, he i'm arrogant, have you really, just a little bit, really, someone studied the influence of power on a specific person, just one, well, yes, of course, and there on the board there is the word psychology, yes, that is, well, this topic is for psychologists quite understandable, traditional, but i would still like to say that somehow we are very passionate about, so to speak, such a bestial concept of power, grappled, yes, here, reducing everything to the possibility of personal violence , appealing almost to animal mechanisms, that is, in this logic, so

to speak, the possibility of direct control with the help of violence, there among the attributes of power andrei viktorovich would need to start with the falamitator, but as with the main symbol of power of this type , is there any other power other than that , and the point is that the question is complex, we are still the power in no way... they defined it and very cunningly avoided the question, saying that well, they somehow still understand what power is, the question is who has it, a philosophical question, but who, who uses it and how, and what is it, how it seems like there’s no need to say that, but, in fact, there is a completely different line in the understanding of power, quite significant, well, at least since the second half of the 20th century, yes, which understands power as what exactly comes to replace violence, and accordingly, in the famous work of hannah arryn it is clearly indicated that the power of violence is a sign loss of power, people abuse violence, including when they lose power, and not when

they have it, this is what a philosopher said, some very unknown one, maybe that’s why, the line of the frankfurt school, yes, and accordingly, here’s the story about a person who longs to either be controlled, or even subordinate, or to subjugate, to manage, this is a product of a certain type of culture, yes, and not the normal natural form of the functioning of power, yes, from this point of view, power is a consensus, and accordingly, here ability to manage consensus, yes, to control consensus, and not by means of direct violence, this is the exercise of power, yes, in this sense, the boss is abusing - this is a person who has taken a big, big step into the abyss, yes, this is a person who enjoys at the moment he is already losing, remember the german philosophers, they just said that most often, and violence is abused just in the middle,

how to say? the middle stratum, who feel some kind of violence on themselves, they use it further down the chain, well, that’s it fromov's idea of ​​a masochistic character, which underlies the explanation of fascism and other, so to speak, radical forms, yes, but i still have a trick up my sleeve, so to speak, yes, i also came from the main king of all animals, that’s his power for sure, he doesn’t abuse, it seems to me, lions calmly catch their prey and don’t abuse anymore, ivan yurovich, why, by the way, do some people strive for power, and some seem to not, there is some kind of genetic predisposition, here the question arises, but what kind of power are you strive, that is, relatively speaking, what we call classically in russian , in russian culture, power, i said , you do, this is relatively speaking,

a certain kind of power, but there is also another form of power, which is probably better called influence , when you tell a person, and he does, but at the same time you have no responsibility for what he does, this is precisely the form of influence, which , for example, in the anglo-american, so to speak, world is valued much more than direct power, well actually speaking, from here we see all these formulas that, well, the president is a representative position and yes, in fact, this is decided there. well, those to whom, those who, reptilians, yes, well, there are many more besides reptilians, that’s just the question of what kind of power you are striving for, it naturally moves a little away from biological issues, and as for, for example, the precisely genetics associated with power, then here we usually return to the so-called dynastic problems, yes, when the idea was that power is passed on from generation to

generation, and before it is given not only metaphysically, not only, so to speak, ritual, but also genetically, but to understand that the third option is not an option, we only need to look at, well, at least the romanov dynasty, and with alexei’s genetic disease, and it’s even better to look at the habsburgs, yes, there, in general, well, as they say, there for geneticists, just let’s say, paleogneticists are delighted that this dynasty existed, there have been analyzes for several years, are there any objections, no, no, okay, then advertising, advertising on ntv, you you won’t believe why fans of yura shatunov were offended by larisa dolina, yuri shatunov is a legend, and i already softened it as best i could, which of the show business stars wants to take revenge on singer lolita, the artists will curse us, why is

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anatelevich, what new types... forms of power may appear in the next 10 years? well, first of all, it seems to me that everything related to artificial intelligence, of course, yes, that is, we are all waiting for the so-called singularity , it is planned in about 10 years, that is, some kind of total update of the entire world order, all the principles of our civilization, this is of course connected with the advent of artificial intelligence, we already see how neural networks work , as such, the first manifestation of this artificial intelligence, and truly radical... a lot is changing in the management of art, in different areas, so it seems to me that artificial intelligence will just take over the management function, because power can be defined psychologically, we are just talking about the fact that one person controls another, this is a sociological point, and where one uses violence or other forms of influence on the other, but this, but this is the relationship between people, has different control we haven’t existed yet, but soon there will be, this

same artificial intelligence will arise and let’s say, some new phase in the development of artificial intelligence, which simply optimizes processes, these are impersonal processes, yes, these are mechanized, automatic processes, it sounds scary, with its family members, and it’s clear, it’s clear that this is some kind of fantastic scenario, but that, but that in government procedures certain elements of artificial intelligence will begin to be used, which will remove those many difficulties, psychological, social, which are present in the purely human. not the authorities, it seems to me, in general, this is quite clear, it can be seen, this power will be more comfortable for people, you think that obeying a machine is much easier for a person than obeying

firstly, it is psychologically easier for a person to obey, well, it seems to me, yes, i don’t want to obey another person , well, let’s say, yes, as a rule, especially if that person is wrong, and i am forced to obey, if it was decided by a machine that 100 times smarter than me, another, another moment, but i’m not even talking about that. i would like to say that - what is just the machine itself and what is the machine specifically, since it calculates a much larger number of options, takes into account more factors, and what, than the relationships between people, assume, and the machine will come up with a more comfortable way of control, the person will not even notice this power, yes, that is, this power is exercised, control is exercised, while we live as we lived and will not feel violence against ourselves. yes, but at the same time, yes, but at the same time, a person has at least some kind of moral, at least some kind of moral responsibility, but a machine has no responsibility at all, people really don’t, okay, andrei viktorovich, let’s go with on the other hand, let’s still go to

the issue of power, you have already mentioned the process, when the heir to the throne was prepared from early childhood for the fact that sooner or later he would ascend to the throne and be the ruler of all, so maybe return to this, i don’t know, scheme, yes, or to practice, but in modern conditions , conditions, to select children who are predisposed to power, to deal with them purposefully, to educate them and then prepare them for the fact that they will eventually replace reptilians and soulless machines, this, in my opinion, is a vicious practice, because if we are really talking about heir to the throne and speech it’s about a society where there’s some kind of monarchy or something else, where this same boy will definitely become the head of the state, here he has no choice, he decided this choice when he was born, yes,

that’s the family he was born into, he must cook, regardless of whether he is weak or strong, whether he has leadership qualities or a predisposition to leadership or not, that’s because in order to make his life easier, because he is 100% guaranteed and will inevitably end up in the place where he we will have to use this power, he needs to know how this is done, but for class societies, so - the point is this, if um, there is such an idea, why rely on chance, we won’t take risks, yes, why choose someone out of three and more candidates, it’s better to take children who, from early childhood , are trying to push someone, or leadership... show their skills in an incubator and raise them like in a school for governors or some other way, let them grow up as leaders, but the point is what, if it were determined 100% genetically and the markers were known,

which allowed selection, but maybe it would make sense, but the skills of managing other people, that is, skills, and the use of such an instrument as power, they are developed as a result of... social and social behavior, this is the relation if children grow up in society , then they will definitely be divided into leaders and followers, into leaders and assistant leaders, and also some outsiders who will not fit into this system, although they also really wanted to initially, but it simply doesn’t work out for them, and they will look for their own niche if we allow let's select children who, in their children's societies, commanded someone, gather them in one college and start raising them in this incubator, then after a while they themselves will inevitably break into alphas, betas and gammas, they will have children who will

behave according to the gamma protocol, that is, completely subordinate, this is inevitable, how scary , taras aleksandrovich, well, look, but if today we already talked about artificial intelligence, and if a sign of intelligence is the desire for power, it turns out artificial intelligence will certainly strive for power over us, what will this lead to? no, it won’t, but it’s a trifle, but it’s nice, thank you. yes, let's start with the fact that the social sciences have some inevitable, necessary, but no less terrible evil, this is to reify things associated with man, but we, no, no, and we discuss power, society, yes , as something that has some objective external existence, to which we can approach better or worse, but even posing the question of, so to speak, whether to grow

people specially prepared for power or not... outside people do not exist, this is such a thing that is in us, in this sense , the invention of royal power at one time helped a lot, precisely because when you connect power with blood, you have some arises, as andrei viktorovich quite rightly said, yes, how to say, it is fundamentally uncontested, because it is not his choice, and not their choice, but, well, just in case, we can, for example, support it with sacralization, yes, that is, do his anointed, and that means, accordingly, to sacralize, thereby legally securing, yes, and when we begin to look for the optimal form of preparing people for power, we have already destroyed this mechanism, we say, now we are... creating ideal specialists, which means

yes, but the flip side is what the prominent modern social theorist axel honneth wrote about quite recently in his great work, so to speak, and his book begins with such sincere bewilderment about the fact that christmas trees and sticks, and people have lost interest in power, because they believe that these are all some objective mechanisms external to them, nothing depends on them, it works like the laws of nature by itself. therefore, there is no need to do anything, that’s accordingly, but how can i say, the eugenic approach to this issue is the same thing, only on the contrary, yes, this is again about the fact that this is an objective mechanism, we need to study it and prepare ideal people for it, accordingly adaptants, and fear of artificial intelligence - this is about here well, it’s clear that artificial intelligence, unlike people, has neither goals nor criteria for implementation , etc., and the struggle for power begins with a discrepancy in need.

yes, or because of a difference in values, so this is a mechanism that people have, but which machines do not have, yes, well, but let’s say it is absent in a machine, but it’s not for nothing that these reptilians are sitting there on the development forum investing in artificial intelligence, there is something these reptilians who will use artificial intelligence to do just that use your power, that’s the problem, and we’ll all sit and think, oh, power , it comes from someone, of course, that’s the point, artificial intelligence has nothing to do with it, it’s just a tool, they’re investing in artificial intelligence, of course, like any other weapon, i want us not to relax here and not think that someone in the power of someone has a revolver, if anything, it is with specific people who specifically know what they want to invest in this artificial intelligence and use its capabilities in order to carry out their power over us will definitely be used, and artificial intelligence will use everything else that they can, but it will still be the same people with the same archaic motives at the core, right?

well, we need some philosopher to spell out precisely that we shouldn’t just let power go to anyone, philosopher, you’re unlikely to help here, okay, okay, then i have a question for our guests, optimists and skeptics, god bless them reptilians, no, that’s the point, god bless them, wait, wait, but could a time come on earth when there will be no power at all, and what it will be then, no. i’ll say right away, no, it can’t, it can’t, because in order for this to become possible, well, at a minimum, we need a situation in the spirit of classical communism, to each according to his needs, the problem is that our needs are arranged in such a way that they have the ability to grow, to grow, yes, in this sense, there is also a need for me to have more than someone else, yes, there is also a need to possess another person, which may not... with the need of that person, and so on, yes, i

don’t mean slavery now, i mean relationships love, for example, or friendship, this often happens, love is also a form of manifestation of power of one over another, you understand this, this is by the way, to the question of whether a situation is possible when there are subtle mechanisms of power, and we do not feel violence , but it exists, yes, someone says: i do it out of love, and someone says, no, in fact this is a hidden form of violence, and you are a slave, the same happens with friendship, yes, people who thirst our friendship, do not find reciprocity, yes, this actually arises, well, a prerequisite, yes for the emergence of power relations, they may not arise, because a person may linger or may not do so. yes, that’s what we’re talking about, let’s take a break for a moment, an advertisement on ntv.

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science and we are a program about how science will change our lives in the next 10 years. dear guests, optimists and skeptics, we have a question for you all. how likely is it, in your opinion, that science will explain the phenomenon of power in 10 years? andrey viktorovich, do you have a forecast? yes, i am 99% convinced that science will explain the phenomenon of power in 10 years, because it has already explained it, by and large there there are only a few small touches left, and even taking into account the fact that power is changing at the same time, because in principle power, it is understandable, it is easily explained on the fingers, but there are subtleties, and that’s what he devotes all his time to studying modern science, and so, in principle, the mechanisms of power, where it comes from, how it is implemented, this is understandable even to a baby, in general , everything can be explained on your fingers, you ask me for money, and i say, i won’t give it, 99%, 99 %, thank you very much, ivan yurevich, do you have, well

from the point of view of genetics, zero, because genetics itself plays here... a very conditional role, as in general in any other social phenomena of this kind, but what about all this, this is all genetics, everyone likes to say, here first of all you are talking about genetics, my grandmother woke up, and i can see, anyone, yes, this is a form , this is a form of manipulation, this is, let’s say, from the category of psychology, not genetics, well, plus for those who are actually afraid of the power of artificial intelligence, i i advise you to re-read the wizard the emerald city, where for... therefore, strictly speaking from the point of view, from the point of view of biology, in fact , the question here is in social interactions , as a matter of fact, from the point of view of biology , there is no such thing as power, therefore therefore zero, thank you

big, well, i think that we need to give science the opportunity to more than 50%, but in order to get closer to understanding power, but science, especially recently, is developing quite rapidly, and we are learning all the time that something so radically new, which fundamentally changes our picture of the world, that just recently we did not know anything about dark energy, dark matter, but now we understand that this is everything, everything else, that is not dark energy, not matter, it’s just a small part, but we thought that this was a whole world , and what would happen next, all this dark energy ... something completely new would be discovered, it is possible that yes, today geneticists do not see a connection between, here between and there dna, and there the genome and the desire for power, but it is possible that some new, some new type of energy will appear, which somewhere, even if it’s not blood, before it was called blood, yes.