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thank you very much for the conversation. thank you. hello, in russia there is a decade of science and technology, the ntv television company and the state corporation rosatom present a program we are science, science and we are a program on how science will change our lives in the next 10 years, i am vladimir antokhin, and yakaterina shugaeva, in 10 years science will explain, how we think, but not volodya and i specifically, but how in principle we , people think, i would like it to be explained how you think, but yes, that’s why i invited optimists who believe that in 10 years we science will really explain how we think, this is emil isagulyan, a neurosurgeon-olgologist, good evening, and dmitry fomichev, an expert in mathematical modeling, i’ll tell you the secrets, i don’t think at all, i’m just asking questions so that at least something find out, according to tradition, my guests are skeptics artyom besedin , philosopher, good evening, igor pudikov , psychiatrist, good evening, good evening, at

the end of the program our guests. optimists will predict how likely it is in 10 years for science to explain what we think attempts studying the brain, our expert, professor kapustin, will tell you. the first observations of the human brain, or more precisely of human behavior under the influence of mak, are described in a sumerian tablet that is more than 6,000 years old, and it describes a craniotomy operation. in ancient egypt, the brain was referred to as bespiti. this main organ was considered the heart, the key to the afterlife. a papyrus written a thousand years ago contains descriptions of cranial sutures, meninges, and cerebrospinal fluids. among the sketches of leonardo dainci you can see sketches of parts of the brain. scientific research required special

equipment, and an optical microscope appeared. thanks to the discovery... luigi galvani, today we have ec, encephalography and so on, modern methods for studying the brain, these are ultrasound diagnostics, and dopplerography, and mri, and ct, and many other things, and mri, ct and other interesting abbreviations , and let’s ask your question, as always, what’s good today, are you able to not think about anything at all? unexpected question, and you think why i often i run, while jogging - this is probably the only place where i don’t think about anything , because it seems to me that even in a dream there are some thoughts, while jogging you can switch off from everything and there are no thoughts, it’s very pleasant, and you you know how not to think about anything, i honestly would really like to have the ability sometimes just not to think, you have to run, you have to run at night , it’s very problematic to run, but you lie there and remember such cases, at that

moment i should have said, half the night with these thoughts and lie down, again you need to run, i i’ll think about it, okay, artyom petrovich, and when people in general, well, you as a philosopher should definitely have an answer, when people generally realized that they can think, yes, as a philosopher, i have an answer, as you understand, no one will tell you the day and hour when this happened, well, let's think about what conditions would have to be met for this to happen, well , at least a sufficient sign that people have already understood what they think is the emergence of the concept of the corresponding in - language, we can probably - talk about the historical already era, that is, we can hardly trace the history of concepts earlier , perhaps we can confidently talk about -

ancient greece, where... philosophy actually appears, but concepts record something that has already taken shape, something that has already taken place, so your question is not accidental theirs was formulated this way when we, people, realized that we know how to think, yes, not me, like some kind of cartesian abstract subject in a vacuum, many today believe that in order for concepts, this applies not only to the concept of thinking, or the concept of the subject, so that any concept is acquired by a person, it is necessary that it be already represented in culture, so that you and i share this concept, especially with the subject or with thinking, this is very important. because in order for me to understand that i am like this, i must, as many believe, see the same person next to me, that is, i see that you say that you show

some meaningful behavior, demonstrate some meaningful behavior , and i transfer this myself, this constitutes, well, at least part of our mechanism associated with that is in my opinion, it is hardly possible to say that thinking, an idea appeared in a person before he had an idea about another, and this requires some kind of sociality, some kind of society, and then most likely already in the primitive world, most likely already i thought i was thinking, because we are talking about a primitive society, since there was a society, it means we already understood, compared ourselves, as i told you, but i won’t name it, well, in general there were primitive thoughts, as if in general i had thought of everything for the philosopher. igor valerievich, and how, in general, did the awareness that people know how to think affect humanity, or , well, us as a society? i think that as a continuation of the previous question, we can

quite clearly, based on facts, understand when a person began to think, and this happened , in fact, you intuitively guessed correctly , in the primitive era, when people began... to draw, here, we still find in caves, in spain, altamira cave, in france in caves, colorful drawings, you can see on the slide, where the primitive artist painted what he sees in front of eyes, these are quite bright, colorful drawings, and at the same time they are unusually realistic, this is surprising, but they are unusually realistic, this is the first action, yes, what? thought, we involuntarily come to the conclusion that we need to decide what we will talk about, a thought is not just some kind of internal event, as it seems to us, it is an internal event that reflects reality and which we can convey in

a relatively orderly form to another, here what artyom petrovich was talking about, in this case, animals can also think, there they have some kind of rudimentary spatial thinking, but the trouble with animals is that they cannot convey their thoughts to another, here is lev semenovich vygotsky, our famous psychologist, he generally believed that the basis of thinking is sociality, the communicative function of thinking is basic, no matter how strange it may seem, that is, most people think on such an ordinary level that the idea of ​​thinking, thinking in general, is in order to transmit information, no, it’s not like that, this is a deep mistake, we need thinking in order to this is such a slightly scary phrase, in order to think like everyone else, we need thinking in order to be the same as other people

, to identify ourselves, to identify ourselves through others and to convey our thoughts to another person, and this helps us become stronger, for due to the fact that thinking has a communicative function, this is its main, this is its main function, we can unite into a group, not just into a flock, into an ordered group with a certain social, not animal, but social, not biological, but social hierarchy, and we we can launch some information within this group, and this group gradually becomes a very powerful factor that defeats biology, sociology defeats biology, therefore thinking also defeats biology , in fact, it is precisely the groups that are the strongest in the ocean, they know how to think, and

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explain how we think as people, interesting data about the brain was prepared by our expert professor kapustin, a man’s brain on 10%. bigger than a woman's brain. tomographic studies have also shown differences in the brain structure of men and women. the greatest differences are observed in adolescents during puberty. surprisingly, over the past 2000 years, the volume of the human brain has decreased, and decreased by 150 cubic meters (150 cc). scientists have not yet come to a consensus. compression of the brain, the neural network began to work better, but there is also a theory that people are becoming domesticated, because domestic animals, cows, pigs, sheep, also have smaller brains

compared to their wild ancestors. our brain consists of special cells, neurons, that receive and transmit. with the help of chemical signals and electrical impulses, there are tens of billions of such cells in the head, they are in constant contact with each other. the mind of a living being correlates with the size of the body and head, as well as with the number of neurons and convolutions. it is the convolutions that are responsible for the high intelligence of premates and dolphins. by the way, during formation. the cerebral cortex is absolutely smooth, convolutions are formed only in the fortieth week of pregnancy, you are mine domesticated, emil davidovich, this is what

science knows today about how we people think? well, first of all, here are literally short comments on professorustin, in fact, on thinking, in particular in humans it does not depend in any way on size, by the way, einstein did not have the largest brain, this is just for reference, and of course, basically we are talking about connections, indeed the brains are 86 billion neurons, but each of these neurons has connections with from 10 to 15 thousand other neurons, that is, if you count it, it turns out to be a million billion... communications, this is a huge number , so today not a single computer can even come close, because our synapse is a unit of measurement, so to speak, but here is an informational unit of measurement, there are computers,

in computers this is a transistor, today the most powerful transistor, the most powerful computer, contains approximately, well, 80,000 transistors, and this is in no way, of course, comparable to such large numbers. as far as what science knows today, yeah, oh how we think, look, in fact, there are several ways to study the brain, yes , it is clear that even if we had the opportunity to directly delve into electrophysiology and chemistry very deeply, yes, all the same, well... thought - this is not bile flowing from the liver, yes, it cannot be taken and analyzed , this is an information product, so today we can study this using several basic methods: of course, this is electrophysiology, first of all, this is an electroencephalogram, known to everyone, this magnetic waves, this is a magnetoencephalogram,

finally this is a functional mort, this is neuroimaging that allows us to see activity, right? brain, that is, well, what kind, how does it allow you to see thoughts, well, look, no, naturally, not thoughts, no, but let’s say a person undergoes an mri, yes, during this study he is shown various pictures, letters, numbers, even clips, and he already reacts differently to different objects, correctly, to different movements and so on, and that means, on the mri, you can see in which one, yeah. specific moment time, more blood circulation in the form of naturally, this or that, well, it turns out such a color picture, well, that is , naturally it is first black and white, but due to digital digital... you understand that we just see that the brain is working, but

not at all understand how? the fact is that a lot of the data is at first non-specific, because the difference between what would seem to be even a red, i don’t know, an apple and an excavator or a dinosaur, it would seem, yes, it is big, but on a functional mri it is not very significant at first glance varies, yes but you see, it is thanks to artificial intelligence and machine learning and big data processing that we can today obtain data that previously simply seemed incredible, that is, today artificial intelligence can help us isolate what was previously impossible, therefore decipher, and moreover, there are studies that do the opposite way, that is, by showing this picture, through artificial intelligence it brings back this one there, does an mri, saw, for example, and what it turns out, it is guessed, yes, 87% accuracy, imagine, okay,

dmitry vladimirovich, but how do thoughts arise in general, we can today, well, somehow record them in some way, i don’t know, with some kind of wires, you don’t need to put this on me , well, i believe that we can record thoughts, from my point of view, a thought is a decision that comes to a person , a decision that is based on his experience, feelings, and the events that happened to a person , and here we can even talk about the power of thought, that is, those emotional, there is a psychophysical background, which is from a person, it in one way or another leads to the fact that thought in a person arises as a response, as a response to this or that event, here, if you allow, i can even create a formula, the power of thought, and which as

once again demonstrates that various kinds of parameters and events that seem to surround or shape a person’s life, as a set of thoughts and events to what is happening, can be represented in the form of a mathematical formula, and by analogy with newton’s second law, which says that force a affecting an object, in our case it is a person, and proportional to mass, well, acceleration, yes, in short, acceleration of thought, yes, yes, yes, yes, and we can imagine acceleration as the speed of appearance of this thought, it can be instantaneous, unconscious event, or it is a conscious, long-tormented thought, we thought for a long time, personal reflections, these nightly reflections , exactly, yes, well, this is characteristic of a man, divided by time, that is, time is on the one hand, how long at night we are not we slept for this thought to come to us, and he is an infection it may not come, on the other hand this is... a person’s experience accumulated over the course of life, there are, of course, ideas about who

is wiser, a three-year-old, a three-year-old child or a seventy-year-old man, yes, here, well, science at the moment the answer is not gives, although, by the way, how nice from the point of view of a mathematician, the answer is, uh, a person who is older, he is wiser, simply because he has more mass, that’s right, i understand, well, because you are here with a linear relationship than more mass, from the point of view of the transition means of this physical formula, by virtue of thought, we can say as follows: the mass of a thought is a certain volume, that is, a thought can be small, imperceptible, it came and went, or it can be so large, voluminous, radically influencing a person and generally finding him on others, and it may hurt others, the mass captures others, speed is a certain... function , which in the general case can depend on a different set of parameters, as i already said,

this is experience, feelings, the state of a person, the state of the environment around the environment, mood, mood and so on , well, as i repeat, this is the experience or the time that a person spends, the key point in this matter is the following: how connections are formed between these individual components. the same neural connections that we have already talked about, if we correctly find the mathematical coefficients that unambiguously give the drawing, and experience gives more, or feelings give more sensation, we will then be able to unambiguously mathematically describe with what force and what effects this power of thought does it affect a person and does it give it is correct, you know what i conclude, that the less we think in time, well, here it would be better to have one in general, and not 10, the greater the mass of thought. you need to think faster, then the mass of thoughts will be larger, but this is purely if it’s mathematics, you need to think slowly, but

think faster, okay, but in general, by the way, we think, what? do we think in words, letters, or do we think, perhaps, in images, smells? well, firstly, returning to the question of neanderthals, and this is not a joke question, here is an interesting study, the structure of the brain a little different, the neanderals had large parietal, parieto-occipital regions, this is the place, as i said, for better consideration. that is, what do we think, and the cormagnonsevians have a larger frontal region? the frontal regions from the point of view of neurophysiology are silent, for a long time scientists did not know why this was needed, well, they removed the frontal lobes, it turned out that the frontal lobes are needed for inhibition, that is, our

ancestors, why we survived as a biological species, yes because we are slow. not neoderthals, progressive, very fast and smart, from the point of view of biology, evolution, they acquired a new quality, a powerful weapon, but at the same time the neurophysiology and psychology of the neanderals remained at the level of animal psychology, monkeys cannot kill each other when they quarrel, i spent my childhood in the sukhumi desert nursery, observing these cute creatures, became a psychiatrist, yes, and after that i became a psychiatrist , i can say for sure that you definitely need brakes, i can say for sure that monkeys, when they fight, they can bite each other, they they can skin each other, blood will flow, but they can never kill each other, because the skin is thick, the fur is thick, they don’t have weapons to kill each other, but she had anderals, but there were no brakes, but

there were no brakes , a new factor... intraspecific aggression brought them to the grave for 10,000 years, our ancestors, the carmnonians, came out inhibited, whose frontal region, the frontal region of the brain performs the function of inhibition, inhibition of the aggressive impulse. they create a basis for communication, in order to live together and not kill each other for food, there for a female, for water, and so on. this is why they are weak, due to the new organization of the brain. defeated the strong, who killed each other, in fact, stunned, unexpectedly, it turns out, in general, it’s more useful not to think than to think, no, it’s sick to think, and continuing to answer your question, i can say for sure that he understands, our brain, it looks like a walnut, and these thoughts provoke that each left and right hemisphere thinks

its own, its own strategy, its own way, this is a modern neurophysiologist. does not confirm, but nevertheless, we think in to some extent this is true, the left hemisphere is more responsible for verbal thinking, this is ponetic thinking, and we think in images , if, if there is an opportunity to turn on the slide, here is a primitive drawing, it was very interesting, you can see there, these drawings primitive people, they are on top of each other, they are layered on top of each other, did people write them in the dark, how did he write? in the dark, if, how did the drawing turn out so realistic, if it didn’t light up, there’s no soot, there’s no soot in the cave, then primitive artists wrote in the dark, which means it turns out that what he was doing, this is an image, this is not visual , which means our visual images, they are not as visual as they seem to us, this means that this is a kind of mental image that is masked

by the visual, in fact, our brain an image can think in the same way... as we see in this picture, just like in concepts , well, by the way, i brought our smaller brothers to our studio today, and igor valeevich just lived with them, sukhumi nursery, greetings from sukhumi nursery, greetings from sukhumi, artem petrovich, to the question about the sukhumi nursery, how cool is it, is it a girl or yes, is it a girl, don’t be afraid. they’re not afraid, okay, looking at this beautiful girl, we have the ability to think, is it innate or acquired, she also thinks, oh, and what, in images, we have a lot of innate abilities, it ’s impossible to deny this, of course, but let’s

let's compare this, for example, with vision, here we have, uh, vision is innate, innate, yes, we, it is very difficult to deny that it is innate, but uh, without using vision, little can be done about it to say, that is, in order for a person to learn to see, a certain long time must pass, a certain long time must pass, that is, seeing the world around is precisely a skill, it is not something that a baby receives immediately, as soon as he appears, light appears, so with thinking, i think the situation is the same, that is, we certainly could not think if we did not have certain innate abilities, dispositions realized by our brain, well, if our honor brain remained useless, just the same most with vision, pay attention, if a person

fell into an absolutely dark world, vision would not be useful to him, even if it were innate, even if this ability would not be realized, the same could be assumed regarding thinking if we found ourselves in some kind of environment, which would not contribute to the development of our abilities, well, you probably wouldn’t think of it, although to say this... i will definitely, definitely not lose it, we would have died very quickly, we will believe you, that’s for sure, we would, we would have died very quickly in such an environment, most likely, most likely, that is, to consider thinking as something innate from a scientific point of view, or from a philosophical point of view, it’s not very interesting, that’s probably what my answer would be, uh, it’s more interesting to consider uh, how this phenomenon is realized in a specific environment, and without this environment... it's very difficult to understand what thinking could even be, uh, there's a notepad in front of me right now, uh, i 'm using this notebook for, well, right now i haven't written anything on it, but i can use it

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are from the brain. transmitters are very difficult to identify. a suitable chemical must meet several conditions: be synthesized in the neuron, leave the neuron with a physical effect, and participate in the reverse process of uptake of the neuron by the cell. probably the most famous neurotransmitter is acetylcholine, which is responsible for memory and learning. otstilcholine breaks down very quickly... and is therefore suitable as a transmitter for motor neurons. when a neuron fires, it moves across a synapse to the next one. neuron to receptor. the chemical substance will be perceived only by the receptor that recognizes it, that is, this is a kind of system - a key lock. that is , various neurotransmitters either trigger forward signals, or stop signals, or

completely stop the transmission of messages. but how does the brain actually manage these connections, and at an incredible speed of up to tens... thousand nerve impulses per second, this still remains a mystery, well, the head, as you know, is a subject of dark research, a dark subject, and cannot be studied, depending on who, dmitry vadimovich, and what discoveries in what areas of science will be made in the next 10 years, well, when researching this, when trying to research this, to understand how we really think, here again from my point of view. as everything is usually called, is mathematics, some kind of basis for the foundations of science and technology, and here i believe that there will be such

migration, here are the studies fundamental medical and neurophysical research of the brain into mathematics, into computer science, and accordingly such an area of ​​​​knowledge as artificial intelligence and more applied areas of learning machines and so on will increasingly develop, that is, this is probably the key, ah, where fundamental knowledge knowledge of how the brain works, how a thought is born, what thinking is, this will be transferred to mathematics and computer science, that is, in attempts to replicate our brain, our thinking, in fact , it is computer, engineering technologies and mathematics that will develop, yes, this will be the basis of the foundations and then it will be transferred, as it were, in a scientific way. chemistry, medicine, biotology, and other areas will, of course, develop into other applied areas, but mathematics will be the basis, that’s what i tried to explain - on the board, in the form of these connections between, it was physics, well, physics, we wrote a mathematical formula,

so mathematics, it underlies everything, and here, well, i repeat that mathematics, as if through a description, through an equation describing physical processes, will flow into computer science. yes, because it is like a tool for accelerated cognition of reproducing the work of a biological object and will then move on to other applied areas, every person probably dreams of being a little, smarter intellectually, yes, than he is, in fact, to think faster, somehow it can be stimulated, in general you can stimulate the thought process, of course you can, for a long time such a brainstorming technique is known, here we are gathered here, there are six of us, if we were discussing , well, in fact, your program has, well, some kind of, some kind of brainstorming model, we of course lack here, well, some kind of freedom , frivolity, maybe the absence of cameras and

a clear goal setting, what exactly we are discussing, what we want to get, and maybe an incentive in the form of a financial or other thing. of some kind, we can only offer tea, i have already taken advantage of it, thank you, so now, brainstorming is a method of stimulation, but is it possible to stop the thought process , of course, you can stop it, there are, and there are psychological ways to stop a thought, there with the help of meditation with the help of autogenic training, with the help of psychopharmacotherapeutic methods, if for example, obsessive thoughts, in such cases we can remove some of the unnecessary thoughts with mild anxiolytic drugs, but here the problem is,

that we are all still under these the charm of aristotle, who grasped the idea of ​​syllogism, yes, that is, he believes, believed that he had found the laws of correct thinking, and we still... believe that a person, a normal person thinks logically, no, this is not so, a normal person is illogical, and if we try to overtake a computer, in arithmetic, in mathematics, in constructing some complex equations, formulas, then we will obviously lose, then what is called artificial intelligence has nothing to do with it now to the intellect, it’s like this, such a marketing ploy is the problem with these projects, the idea is good, to create artificial intelligence, but the problem is in the implementation, the meaning of artificial intelligence and the power of human intelligence is that it quickly calculates, not that it can do ten-digit fractions there in the blink of a second,

here we will never win against a computer, our strength is that we have consciousness and this thinking is, perhaps, the most important part of consciousness, which, uh, not a single computer and not a single neural network can reproduce yet, because that she thinks logically, but you and i don’t, because the scientists who create her start from an erroneous algorithm, from an erroneous idea. the idea is that the brain lives by learning, this is partly correct, but this is only partly correct, in our brain, in our psyche there is a huge part that is not at the level of consciousness , that’s when scientists, neurocognitivists , electronics engineers, when they model non-artificial intelligence, which has an unconscious, subconscious mind, it will be scary, don’t give me any hints to him. real, real artificial intelligence, who knows what he will have in his subconscious, we don’t need that, i have

another applied question: emil davidovich, if we still understand how we think, then it turns out that we will be able to transmit your thoughts to other people, or read the thoughts of other people, you know, give me your cap, telepathy and in general everything connected with it has been of interest to people for a long time, but you see, the problem is... to convey a thought directly to a person or in general in order to catch it not, as it were, what is called from heads, but the problem is that we don’t know the exact code, when we insert a flash drive into the computer, yes, it immediately detects it thanks to the code, thanks to the driver, we don’t know the codes thanks to which the neurons communicate with each other, so we can do it directly it’s impossible to read it like a flash drive or like a book, but on the other hand. we can get closer to this issue through training, look, we

talked a little earlier about functional emt, yes, this is also the way to - in the future, be able to read, at least intentions, maybe intention, that is, i’m here, maybe this is, of course, just one of the directions, yes, today, by the way, there are already, as it were , valid models of such an application, let’s say, by the way, the development of neurochat, yes, thanks to tracking brain activity when reading this means that this device monitors the eyes, eye movements, and when reading, which means it monitors the activity of the brain when looking at a particular word, converts this activity into certain words and phrases, and these phrases can already be pronounced through a certain synthesizer. absolutely right,

it is possible in the opposite direction, yes, but you see, again, we are talking about helping people suffering from various diseases, yes, to gain the opportunity to communicate, such people, thanks to the brain computer interface, that is, the brain computer interface, yes, they can communicate with each other, they can, without even moving their hands, and without even having any idea, you, doctors, will pass on some phrases to people to help them communicate, someone will use this for manipulation, no , no, that's not quite true, not quite true, look, any, any technique that is reproduced, that is published, yes, it naturally has. protection, of course, yes, every technique can be hacked, but you know, well, but nevertheless, this is why

there is protection, which is also being improved, and how they should develop in parallel, protection should always be one step ahead in order this did not happen, do you believe that no one will transmit images or thoughts or certain words to our brains, some isolated cases, of course, are certainly not excluded, yes, when science is up to yes, when some song plays in my head , i have a feeling that someone inspired it in me, but i just need to spend less time on the phone, dear guests, optimists and skeptics, we have a question for you all , how likely is it that science will explain what we think, artoy petrovich, let’s start with you, you have a forecast, and yes, i have a very clear one, the forecast on this matter is 0%, calm down, i don’t want did anyone understand how i think, wait, now there are optimists, i will explain why i

think so, of course, i am 100% sure that in the next 10 years, tremendous progress will be achieved in this area, however, now we understand that the more we learn about our brain, now we were talking only about the brain, and in what i said, i tried to show that culture is also important, but even if we limit ourselves to the brain, we are learning more and more about the brain, we are increasingly understanding how complex it is, neurons were mentioned here, but why do we stop only at neurons, now some scientists believe that both... and environment, glacial cells, influence how these processes generally think, with the stomach, it seems to me, really , and with neurons in the head, well, really, who could it be, i wonder, maybe igor valerievich, this question hardly has philosophical implications, it culinary background to the question, yeah, yeah, so zero,

the probability is zero that science will explain, as we think, completely accurately, zero, thank you very much. there is definitely a forecast and it is exactly the opposite 100%. i'll explain why. in general, i am 100% in medicine, of course, i hate this figure, but in this case why am i so i’m saying, 100% i’m not saying that we will learn the code, i’m not saying that we will learn the mechanisms, no, i’m 100% sure that in 10 years we will advance in this direction several times, many times over , maybe even tens of times, this is due to the fact that today: neural interfaces have changed, very thin electrodes have appeared , which can be implanted in tens of thousands ; the electrode can receive a signal not from a group of neurons that we receive from above, but from each neuron, or by at least from several neurons located nearby, and

this is a completely different story, so thanks to this, thanks to artificial intelligence, of course, machine learning , everything connected with this, we will probably move tens of times forward in 10 years, so 100%, thank you very much, in soviet times there was such a scientist rostislav mikhailovich mishchersky, he worked on the mysterious sulzar brock effect, this is the so-called reverse disguise, for which he was criticized by natalya petrovna bekhtereva, and her team, who also did a lot for this, to understand how we think, and he believed that the human brain begins to think, to produce thoughts only if solar neutrinos hit it, that is, he believed that the brain itself cannot think, so it seems to have to in order to to think, it should be activated by some kind of solar wind, so to speak, a neutrino wind, well, the idea is interesting, although for that time it was probably kind of radical, here are neurocomputers,

they can help us, but they can only help if we correctly let's ask a question. then they will answer us correctly, they will calculate, they will calculate correctly if we give them the right task , so i am asking the question correctly, i would like to get a forecast figure of 25%, what is 25%, 25%, thank you very much, dmitry vadimovich, do you have it forecast, what is the probability that science will understand, as we think, in 10 years, yes, i’ll probably be accurate, probably 85%, i’ll explain why it’s not 100, there’s always this delta, so unattainable is our... image, way of thinking , and when we mathematically, although we’ve probably been here for half the show, discussed artificial intelligence and so on, these neural ones that are formed there in a larger aghumeration make it possible to describe algorithms one way or another that happen in the brain, and it seems to me that over the next