we have everything, thank you for your attention , today in our program: good evening ivan, poisonous, telephone terrorist, zelsky was caught making secret calls to trump, which... kiev blackmailed us presidential candidates. zelsky would have needed only 24 minutes to convince trump: the exclusion zone. nato is preparing a new map of ukraine. which regions will the west force kiev to get rid of? the entry process, i think, will be as fast as possible. dear leonid ilyit. why do some people call the brezhnev era stagnation, but others at dawn. and why, even after 40 years of brezhnev’s post or funeral, russians are increasingly

nostalgic for those times. the brezhnev era was the most wonderful, but my youth came to them, look right now. hello, this is the meeting place at ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. i'm andrey norkin, my colleague ivan trushkin, we are working live. today we will begin, well , a little, as if briefly, as such an introduction. on topic, right? let's start with the ates summit opening in america in san francisco. in general, of course, it would be possible separately talk about the city of san francisco, what it was like literally 2 weeks ago and what it has now become, well, if you are interested, type the word kakapalexis, they will tell you everything about san francisco, now the city is ready to receive high

guests, the highest of... these guests is the chairman of the people's republic of china, he has already arrived, now we will show you this footage, this is sijinping's first visit to the states in 6 years, and if everything goes well, they will personally meet with president biden, here we go let's look at the first shots from san francisco, in fact, we will now show you the moment of arrival, here is this chinese aircraft number one, and is met by the governor of california gavin newsam and the secretary of the treasury of the united states jeannette. elin, in just a few words i’ll still say that the authorities of san francisco have literally licked the city to an intolerable shine, you see, on the right side of the screen we have a picture of how sizenpin would see san francisco if no, local authorities, in general, all homeless people, drug addicts, they were all taken somewhere outside the city, they put bars twice as tall as a man, along the route of the motorcade, you see, there are people standing with chinese flags, banners, you might think in general. this is, well

, if not exactly china, then some kind of tone, such demonstrative ingratiation with the chinese guest became the reason for awkward questions addressed to the white house. does president biden agree that it is more important to impress the leader of china than to impress the americans who live in san francisco and pay taxes every day? i fully i reject the premise of your question, i will not answer it. well, biden himself said on the eve of the meeting that he wanted to. to restore normal relations between washington and beijing, including in the military area, well, it seems, he seemed to have started in good health, and then in the same speech he began to say that china is now experiencing great economic problems. we are not trying to separate ourselves from china, we want to change attitudes for the better. from my point of view, the chinese people are now in trouble economically. if an ordinary citizen in china... could have a decent paying

job, it would benefit them all and us all. well, financial times predicts that against this background, disagreements between the parties will remain extremely high and of course there is no point in waiting for any fundamental important agreements for china and the united states or for the whole world. well, perhaps the white house understands this, because they told the press in advance that at the end of the leaders’ meeting there would be no joint statement, there wouldn’t be any. even having dinner together after negotiations, instead the network will be attend a reception hosted by representatives of american business. the official chinese news agency singhu, before the meeting, warns that the united states must demonstrate responsible behavior in order to take advantage of the opportunity for a thaw in relations with china, but american experts believe that xi will demonstrate coldness and distance. usa.

for this reason, china hesitated throughout october, until the last minute, without confirming the visit. the summons was carefully verified so that the parties could present some result. big attention will be paid to the nuances of the protocol: whoever enters the doors first will be the first to take the floor. as for what they can agree on painlessly, bloomberg agency, citing three of its sources, says that the united states and china will jointly announce the fight against fintanyl, this is a very dangerous opioid, which is 50 times stronger than heroin, dozens of people in the united states are dying from it every day, and this joint statement will say that china will help in the fight against this drug, will strengthen control over... its chemical enterprises, and the united states the states, in return, will lift sanctions from the institute of forensic sciences of china, well , this is where some obvious points of contact end. what the new york times writes to us , the new york times writes to us that biden intends to include in the negotiations agenda conversations about israel’s war with hamas, and even

somehow discuss the story about ukraine. at the same time, the white house understands that it seems that it will not be possible to reach an agreement on geopolitical issues, but on economic cooperation, president biden and i are very united in our desire to healthy and stable economic relations with china. in the future, we hope to consolidate the plan we have laid down for further development of interaction, stabilization of relations and achievement of progress on key political issues. this american observer that we just showed, remember who will enter which door first. we will probably be able to discuss everything tomorrow and somehow we will have a picture of them entering the door, then no, well, of course , all the results of these negotiations will be known by our broadcast tomorrow, tomorrow we will talk about this in more detail, but today we want to talk about another

trip to america, and talk a little with our guests, other american guests, these are the leaders of the power structures of ukraine, they have been here since the beginning of the week, 2 days, that is, all of it. .. in the first half of the week we were in washington, firstly, the head of the office, mr. ermak, whom we know quite well, already thanks to andrei vladimech, and the second lady there, this is the first deputy prime minister of ukraine by the name of sviridenko, she is not very like us i wish i knew you, well in fact, this is probably not important, but their official agenda is, in principle, the usual one, give me some pennies, give me how i can get rid of it , yes, that means, give me a weapon, but again no one paid much attention to the official agenda. the kiev people are trying with all their might to reach donald trump and somehow win his favor with zelenskaya, at least some kind of trust

, well, i don’t know, let’s look at the plot, because in principle no one doubts this, everyone has slightly different interpretations, now we will just discuss them. according to sources ukrainian edition since last week. terrorist president zelensky is unsuccessfully trying to reach donald trump, whose supporters now de facto control the house of representatives of the us congress. in kiev , they hope to use trump to influence the republicans who do not want to give money to ukraine. the rumor about the kiev multi-movement excited the western press. she writes that trump is actively gaining political points, but the heroic image of zelsky is rapidly being destroyed. if trump is so illegitimate. and inappropriate, then why zelsky calling him, let alone inviting him to come? zelensky has been paraded as a brilliant, competent and worthy commander, receiving endless praise, and now he is turning to trump. this speaks to

the legitimacy of the leftist cause and movement. newswiek generally believes that the real purpose of the ukrainian delegation’s visit to washington, not a meeting with white house officials, is precisely to seek contacts with trump, the headline of the article says: why does zelsky need trump? congressmen with whom privately journalists communicated, they support the version that the ukrainians came for behind-the-scenes negotiations with the republicans. winning trump's support, or even persuading him to moderate his isolationist rhetoric toward ukraine, would be a major victory for kiev. one of the congressional staff, who wished to remain anonymous, said that such a move by irmak’s team seems like donald trump himself has been boasting since february that he has his own peace plan, and he promises to end the conflict in just 24 hours, at least five times the ex-president mentioned about this during election rallies in an interview, though refusing to disclose details. zelsky repeatedly

asked through the press to tell him the details of trump’s plan, but his requests were ignored. last week, the leader of the kiev regime even invited trump to kiev, but received... an official refusal. i have great respect for president zelsky, but i think it would be inappropriate to go to ukraine at this time. the biden administration is dealing with it now. and i wouldn't want to create a conflict of interest. american journalists believe that trump does not want to contact zelensky because of the scandal that broke out in 2019, while trump was still in power. then the details of a telephone conversation were leaked to the press, during which trump personally asked zelsky to help with incriminating evidence against joe biden’s son, hunter, who was part of the management of the ukrainian company burizma. in 2019. when zelensky called trump, the american president had the opportunity to help ukraine, but donald

trump did not take advantage of it. one of the reasons we even found out about this call was is that this telephone conversation was overheard by a us intelligence officer who was born in ukraine, this is alexander vindman. for the first time i see an american reporter wearing such a cap with the visor on longer than his nose, it’s just a new word. this is important, do you think? yes for me yes. in our youth, let's help our colleagues from new gegovic, why does zelensky need trump? zelsky needs trump from a tactical and strategic point of view, tactically he needs trump-controlled republicans to stop blocking the house representatives, you take this wording seriously, controlled, no, but they are controlled there, they have their own system, few are in the republican. party can say something contrary to trump’s position, and trump is here, well, there is an internal

connection with this, the system is like this, okay, let them be controlled, okay, those close to trump, let’s say so, those close to trump, republicans, i just perceive him a little bit, as it were, a separation of the present from the republican party, he is like that, but if trump will tell voters in the states not to elect this person, they will not elect him as a senator, the strategy, that is, there is money, but the strategy is to create a wedge for the future owner. white house, so that it doesn’t work out like it did last time, last time it turned out wrong, they completely bet on hillory, in the end trump came and oops, but note that it’s interesting how trump answers him publicly, that is, he directly in plain text says, dear, you are biden’s project, so i won’t go to you yet, this would be a conflict of interest, and trump perceives it absolutely correctly, that is , this is trump’s response to sucking up on the part of zelsky, doesn’t trump have it, sorry to interrupt. temptation now to try to negotiate something with ukraine in order to start selling to the american voter

, well, something in ukraine, to say that we know how to resolve this, look, we already have an agreement, this helpless grandfather, which already means he’s been doing this for 2-3 years, and here we have this terrorist president zelensky, he’s with me, the president is a terrorist zelensky will say, i’m with you, and that is, you are already asking the question is it necessary, from the point of view of the electorate, no, because trump’s electorate for the most part is. opposes increasing aid to ukraine and, in general, in order to slowly get rid of ukraine. trump, of course, can, if he suddenly really wants to express some kind of politeness to zelsky, if he suddenly needs it, but he will then ditch him, because trump’s plan for resolving the ukrainian conflict is to get rid of ukraine, it’s not so wrong, and this is to sell it to russia on good conditions for america. this is trump’s plan, it was like this in 1916, it remains like this, especially now it’s good , well, i was amused by the ukrainian

self-confidence, because the idea is correct, in general, to convince the republicans, to unblock it all, but i can’t imagine imagine how this idea will come to life, taking into account the quality of today's ukrainian diplomacy, how it behaves, how subtle and flexible it has shown, this is all in quotes, in general, not quite, the diplomats are off. this is exactly the office the president formulated the essence of zelsky’s diplomacy as impudent, impudent, and nothing changes in the grand scheme of things, so i can’t imagine this conversation, what kind of arguments ermak will give to trump for trump to say, and in general, indeed, i will reconsider the relationship, as if trump this does not understand, as if the republicans do not understand this, they will not change their position on anything, because on ukraine,

because it is 100%, 146% dictated by internal political interests, and then, if they will suddenly come to power, then zelensky, or whoever will be then, well, i think zelensky will be, will come running and try to negotiate, now the republicans absolutely do not need to get involved in these matters for i was thinking how i would try to seduce trump if i am a terrorist zelensky, god forbid, of course, but nevertheless, it seems to me, not, not my wife, to get some papers. you are completely drowning biden, but then you and me somehow, vasya, you can buy trump with this, in the modern world in general, in the modern united states especially, in nothing can be kept secret, especially

as regards the trump team, the democratic administration will instantly find out, and imagine, on the spot. you showed the plot, but i ’ll be back in time for the nineteenth year, the month of may, trump’s confidant, new york city mayor julianni, comes to the city of kiev with the goal of getting, yes, the former, getting documents, getting evidence, which was promised to him , not

necessarily zelsky, but it was promised to him that you will get everything, but you need to be the first to talk, the first to talk and after that, then there is...' he called, we talked, and after that zelensky ditched him, in simple human language, he took it and threw it, and in principle the presidential administration at that time applauded that we were so cool, you see, we ditched trump, then after some time they applauded, we cheated putin, but we won’t talk about that, that now, now zelsky’s logic is absolutely simple , he, as a producer, says: i cheated once, now i cheated a second time, go and agree that means to negotiate, to come to trump and say, dear donald, i you cheated me... you know, but since i cheated once, i’ll throw you a second time too, rest assured, i cheated, you know, the logic is like this, and you can say, you’ll cheat biden, of course, come on kid, let’s talk , what can you offer me, that’s also what was generally known, that is, you want to say that in terms of concepts, they can absolutely agree, and here it is, so wait, what benefit does trump have then? he

can get something out of this, so vanya painted some kind of picture, yes, what can be done about biden there. completely drown, i doubt it, because as long as biden is in power, they won’t give anything to this matter, listen, son, i agree with you, i’m making a deal with you, but you still won’t get the money, you can only get the money then, when i become president, until that moment you won’t receive any money, but i will give you a small amount, a certain amount, so that you can show what this is. yes, for you to hold out, we’ll listen to everyone first, and then vladimo will say that this is all bullshit, you don’t need to pay attention to any nonsense and that’s it, so let’s alexander vladimovich, then, yes, indeed, julianni, he met with ermak, who at that time was zelsky’s assistant, they didn’t meet in kiev in a building that belongs to soros’s partner, but they threw him, but it’s not even about

this, today trump will not meet with zelensky and even zelsky understands this, not because he cheated him, that’s... not for that at all , well, that is, telling biden that zelsky will meet with trump is something like say i want to go to belarus to meet with tikhonovskaya and lukashenko will agree at the same time, they are antagonists, they have elections, for trump now the main thing is that everything in ukraine is as bad as possible and that it is all associated with biden, if trump agrees with zelensky on something, it will be just a gift biden, he will simply share all the failures in ukraine and take part of the negativity upon himself , he will not do this, he simply does not need it, zelsky understands that, therefore the fact that our some terms of agreement, nothing more, is history it’s not about the meeting at all, but let’s let’s also add all sorts of plans that are now normalizing around ukraine, because we say that zelensky, sometimes the terrorist zelensky, the earth is burning under his feet, but you can

throw a couple of firewood into this fire, two retired, very tall, the word is retired, andrey vladimova. james stavridis, the former commander-in-chief of nato forces, made a stunning proposal for kiev to exchange territory for peace and membership in the north atlantic alliance. in an article for bloomberg, he argues that the future of ukraine depends on how quickly the kiev authorities will agree to make concessions, and in his opinion, the necessary agreement is this: from the territories that the west considers occupied. dissociate themselves with a twenty-kilometer demilitarized zone, in exchange for accepting ukraine into nato. nato will not accept ukraine tomorrow, but the accession process, i think, will be as fast as possible, we will have to come to some semblance of the korean war, a truce, a stop, a cessation of hostilities.

a similar initiative was made a little earlier by another a prominent nato figure, former secretary general of the alliance anders fograsmoson, he also proposed to accept ukraine into nato within new borders, as an example he referred to the germans of 1955, when the federal republic of germany joined nato without the gdr, although it did not renounce its claims to eastern lands. the issue of ukraine's accession to nato cannot be postponed again; it is time to take the next step by extending an invitation to ukraine to join nato. we need a new european security architecture in which ukraine is at the center of nato. how the british guardian found out that the development of rasmusen’s idea is already underway, it will be discussed with kiev at almost the next nato summit in washington, and now nato minds are trying to figure out how to reliably demarcate with russia with a constantly shifting front line, however, the ukrainian authorities themselves are they still say that they don’t need any nato without crimea. this is anders' opinion. he did not mention this

because he knows our principles, they are very clear, no compromises related to independence, territorial integrity and sovereignty. this is his opinion on how to take the first steps. he compared with we have our own unique examples. of course, it is very important for us to support all our territories, including donbass and crimea, and this is our principle. bogdan anatolyevich, can we try to link these nato plans, still hidden behind the scenes , with the fuss of ukrainians around trump, or are these two parallel processes? it seems to me that the fuss of zelsky and ermak is connected with the fact that the situation at the front is simply not the most rosy, but frankly speaking, bad,

the counter-offensive failed, now there is a threat of a shift in the front line, so they are rushing to everyone , including biden, who reacts quite calmly to all these requests and the need for help to trump as indeed the future owner of the white house, to help in some way , i don’t think that right now zelsky is trying to play on the american political field, he’s not in a position right now... among other things, now, well, as a certain, there may be an option for a very weak compliment addressed to trump, it’s possible, for example, consider the arrest of dubinsky, who is now in jail and who was just looking for compromising evidence on hunter biden, in the current situation, talking about nato is a completely different process, which does not depend on zelsky, no matter who is in ukraine, zelsky , zaluzhny, they want, they just want to impose a freeze on russia, the korean option, and they are already openly talking about it, they talked about it here a few weeks ago, in this situation , this will allow ukraine to be preserved as a member of nato, as a threat to russia, to us in any way

in any case, nato membership is unacceptable, any, oh, ukraine’s membership in nato, in any variant, no matter who is in power there, zelsky, ermak or gorg valevich, believes that if, as he said, there are several programs ago, a scrap of scraps of ukraine will be included in the second, if it is very small, in the size of two or three regions, okay, let's listen to the head of the transport department. in order to somehow ignite with righteous anger he pours himself yes, well, there is something that is wrong, in 2019 zelensky did not throw trump, and a whole series of materials were unofficially transferred, which were then used magnificently by the republicans and are still being used now, because somehow they didn’t work out very well, no, why is everything fine, they are, so to speak, promoting the topic well, this topic for many years and they promote it well, there is no such resentment, firstly, secondly, for some reason we have this soviet-russian thinking, to reduce everything to one person, because the role

of the individual in history, yes, well, the individual in history, of course , but forgive me, trump there is a team, a good team, a professional team, this whole team that is next to him now, it does not love russia and will not take, and will not take, any steps that would contribute to the realization of russia’s goals, wait, i say so again , they went to meet with the trump team, the trump team doesn’t like russia, wait, maxim anatonovich, otherwise i’ll lose my mind, the trump team doesn’t like russia, so it should meet with so, they will meet with yarmak, discuss strategy and so on , then there is no need to think about what trump, so to speak, denies and so on and so forth, but wait, what can they discuss now? financing further, yes, because what is temporary now, so to speak, will pass, so we are now.

this is a question, first of all, of the budget for next year, this is not this small budget around which everyone is jumping like hares now, but a big budget, where the money for ukraine is very large, not the budget, the budget, what is being discussed, and the most important thing is really a discussion trump's behavior strategies during the election campaigns attitude towards ukraine, this is what they are now, and he needs to discuss this with ukraine . this needs to be discussed, the question is that in fact, in fact, by the way, if you take polls of american society, then 70% of americans are in favor of continuing assistance to ukraine , and trump should take this into account, this is not entirely correct, 68%, to be precise, second, we must not forget that in the united states the ukrainian diaspora is, if

correct. i remember today there are almost 1.5 million people, well, that’s quite a bit, that’s a lot, this is a very active diaspora, with a population of less than 300 m, this is not a question, this is a question, because this is a diaspora that is important for trump, including, by the way, in famous cities like chicago and so on, where part of this diaspora is located and so on, and it is completely unprofitable for trump to rush this diaspora, i wanted to object, so there will be a process, yes a process of contacts, a normal process of contacts, because both the ukrainians and yampri are confident in trump’s victory, i am confident in trump’s victory, i am confident that he really won’t stray from the topic of ukraine, a voice rang out in my head, eh, alevich is gone, yes, he would come now, okay, he’ll come, that’s how maksimovi wanted something, he speaks so confidently, he’s always sure of what he says, you know how, in my opinion,

there is no trump team, everyone who was around him fled, he added, someone went into the opposition, like a vice, pompeo also renounced him a long time ago, now it’s a good appointment, he knows well, just a few key people in the trump team, if he called us, i was very grateful, and maybe he knows, but he probably knows who will be vice president, i won’t say yet, until i’m, well, at least hint, ermak is another candidate. but a man or a woman, a man, a man, a woman will not go, you see, the topic of ukraine will not go anywhere next year, it will be even more relevant, the gas will now run out, but this topic will remain, it will be key, your forecast on gas, we have already forgotten , well, excuse me, it was your friends who refused hamas’ offer on november 3, this is nonsense and so on, but why, is there anti-semitism here, dear viewers and guests?

practically called a jew's face, these are your friends, andrei vladimorov, how do you actually keep yourself in hand, all the bosses, the boss, the old fascist steppe and norkin's great friend netanya, a short pause, let's take a short break, we'll be back in a few minutes, don't miss the central television - the first information show about the events and people of the week. sidwen ping in america, what did the chinese leader bring to biden, peace or a sword, what signals can be used to understand whether this meeting can change everything? zelensky is looking for contacts with trump, what the ukrainian president wants to agree on with a possible future american president, and even behind the back

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some photos that were published by the british newspaper daily mail. this , if anyone doesn’t understand, is a bag of cocaine, but not just a bag of cocaine, but the same bag that was discovered in the summer of this year in the white house, and these photographs are being published for the first time. let me remind you that the drug was found on july 2, while the biden family together with his son president hunter, they spent weekends at their country residence, campweed. the question of the identity of this prohibited substance is still open. all these months, information has been appearing that the cocaine could have been intended for the president’s son, or could have simply been forgotten by his dad at work. the investigation lasted only 11 days and was curtailed due to absence. evidence, the list of suspects numbered 500 people, cctv footage could not determine the owner of this white powder, now new data has appeared that this cocaine was allegedly found in

a locker for personal belongings, it is alleged that this locker is not assigned to any specific person, most likely some kind of excursion group passed by, well, someone, again on no one noticed the video, as always, someone left something in this locker, but this whole version is being ridiculed yes... american journalists, the secret services lied about everything, you want to know why, when about cocaine first became known, they said that they found him in the library where the family lives president. a yellow bag containing cocaine hydrochloride was found in the library. it was then alleged that cocaine was found leaving the situation room. the cocaine was reportedly found in the west wing of the white house, next to the situation room. the investigation is ongoing. and now they tell us that everything was found in a locker where people were actively scurrying about. and this particular locker fell into the cctv gray area. and there are no records, so many inconsistencies. the question of

the bias of the intelligence services, that they are somehow trying to shield the biden family, is now being debated again in the united states house of representatives. and here we need to remember who was responsible for this cocaine case in the house of representatives, for its investigation, when it all just began in the summer. this was the new current speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson, so we can understand that he will not let this matter go so easily. by the way, this same house of representatives voted tonight... for a new temporary budget for the united states for the next 2 months, and again there is no funding either for ukraine or even for israel, it is expected that biden should sign this budget, well, somewhere at the end of the week, and a new attempt to vote on the allocation of military aid and new military funds will be made, well, around november 23, although nothing is clear here yet. i very much want all four of president biden's requests to be approved regarding ukraine. israel, humanitarian and indian-pacific

law, and we will work very persistently to achieve this. well, here about money, andrei vladimovich, we can continue, well yes, because andrei vladimech described to us in some detail , uh, these are the ideas of the trump team, about how and what needs to be done, but for now the issue of financing ukraine, this is really in the hands of the biden administration and let’s see what he writes the western press on this topic, because there is perhaps an explanation for why the kiev missars went to washington, well, not everything is so good with the allocation of money. the washington post reported with alarm yesterday that congress' interest in ukraine's financing has dropped to a new low. the house of representatives took so long to choose its speaker that it left its own government without money while the issue of funding civil servants was resolved. ukraine, as the newspapers write, will be scooped out of... the kiev regime on the capitalist hill is in

despair, they say that all previous western infusions into ukraine have turned out to be meaningless. the russian coalition includes countries such as iran and north korea, while ours is literally the entire free peace, but we are in danger of failure, we will simply hand putin victory just at the moment when he is on the verge of defeat. news of a reduction in american spending on ukrainian cravings. the eu's chief diplomat, called on the europeans to take over the financing of ukraine, although he himself has little faith in this. we have a lot of problems, primarily ukraine, where a quick victory over russia is not expected. the european union must prepare politically for the likely reduction in us aid and compensate it to kiev. barel's call did not inspire the europeans. quite the contrary.

germany seemed to have promised 4 billion euros for ukraine the day before. but, as spiegel found out, the german government actually does not have this money, since there are no sources of funding. the french authorities have directly stated that they do not intend to transfer anything else to kiev, although they are ready to sell weapons. and hungary on monday blocked the ukrainian tranche worth half a billion euros from the european one. euros from the european peace fund, which funds military aid in ukraine, because kiev lists hungarian firms as war sponsors. veta of hungary had such a serious impact on european unity that in brussels they started talking about the option of voluntary support, they say, in order not to swear, let’s chip in as much as we can. so that countries that do not want to participate can choose not to do so, which

means that mine and other countries that will participate will take on a greater burden. lithuania is ready for this; it will not be the 27 member countries, but those who want to. so, well, bogdanich, in our studio, only andrei vladimirovich, so traditionally, such optimism, the ukrainian radiates that there will be money give, without any problems, that's how you... could convince him, well, i can simply state the trends that i see, and there are two trends here: first, the united states is busy with its own problems and a number of other crises, the israeli arabs, the rest and they now have support. towards ukraine is decreasing, at least it is definitely not predetermined , secondly, in europe there is obvious fatigue from ukraine, and there is a third process, the united states, absorbed in its pre-election and other affairs, they want to fully devote funding to europeans, europeans, in the person of barel, they happily agree with this, but

the same baril, for example, he declared not only about money, he declared that europe does not have its own weapons depot for ukraine, he declared that he would never europe will not supply a million shells to ukraine , this is impossible, kuleba even admitted this, kuleba said yes, indeed, we will not be able to get a million shells, that is , it turns out that objectively the support for ukraine from the united states and europe is decreasing, it will obviously decrease , and panic zelensky is caused by something, by the fact that he wants to maintain at least some flow of support , he wants to keep himself in power, and to support him somehow, this is funny, what does this mean for a european union for discipline if. that we are tired of ukraine, this estonian says that we are not delighted with the help that we have, the politician said that we are not delighted with this help, so in one of the kiev studios there are two intellectuals, it’s true, in one of the kiev studios

two intellectuals, tailors and kiselyov, are sitting, remember evgeny kiselyov, who portnik, a way out, they offer, yes, and portnik says, well, zhenya says, what is the way out, that ’s how it will be, and portnik says, well, look, the other day cdp and biden are meeting, so, you the plot was shown, here they are, when they meet, they will talk there, then everything will be decided, including for ukraine, and how will everything be decided, his opponent asks, he looks like it means biden: he will tell the sidipin that this is what needs to be done, sidipin will call putin and say that he needs to retreat, finish war, freezing and so on, and in this way and in this way i apologize, vanya, this is what they say in ukraine and not only ukrainians, you know, why am i talking about this with humor, such with sarcasm, because there is no option for

today in ukraine, especially under the power of zelsky, and how to get out of this situation, so such wonderful options are being invented, such as, for example, mr. ... zaluzhny says that we need some kind of new weapon, some kind of breakthrough, including in technological, high-tech breakthrough, but in order to still fight in the war, these two intellectuals, one from ukraine, the other from russia, say that sidipin, sidipin, well, about weapons, about a breakthrough, here is maxim anatolyevich, vadim yuryevich is watching karasev, but he’s a lawyer, i already forgot, he had someone here just now who said that robots, that is, this breakthrough. the ground, let's, then, the idea that he can call his comrades, oh , let's leave vitalik alone, this is not their idea, it was not they who came up with this, this has been going on for

several, well, at least six months, you want to say that these people whom vasiliyvich mentioned now, they are not crazy, who will call putin, and in fact this was what a significant part of the american experts were saying, who hoped that comrade biden, including being seen well, means is it what everyone is waiting for when sik calls putin, that they won’t give money to the ukrainians yet, or they will give it anyway, that is, they are looking for some reserves from the other side. let’s do this, money will be given to ukraine, the question is in volumes under the conditions, that is, the republicans sooner or later, if we let's go back to congress, the republicans will sooner or later agree to give something to ukraine from the generosity of their souls, but it will be little and it will be on serious conditions that kiev will have to fulfill, and this is again an element, what kind of conditions, well, control, and

reporting and so on, but understand, here the republicans are not acting because they love russia or hate ukraine, no, they are acting based on. from the position of their voters. here they cited polls, yes, polls, 60 2% of republican voters believe that america should curtail assistance to ukraine. 62%. 44 neutrals think the same way. these are very serious numbers. in this case, republicans proceed from the position of their electorate. but they are ready to bargain with the american government, if the united states makes a concession there, biden makes concessions on the issue of the border and refugees there. and so on and so on, under this condition some money will be allocated to the ukrainian side, here’s more about money, maxim anatovich, when all this with the temporary budget just started in the united states , there was no money for ukraine. we all said listen, well, let’s not somehow reassure ourselves, in a couple of weeks they will allocate it, this entire first temporary budget has already been eaten up , now they are accepting the second one, there

is no money for ukraine again, i don’t entertain the illusion that they won’t allocate it at all, but there is a feeling , that this is clearly not a primary story, and therefore the volumes there are 62 billion, 60 billion, it will all somehow be compressed, if, again, i understand this correctly, well, in principle, yes, ivan, there is a feeling, well, you never need any increased - something to have an expectation so as not to be disappointed later, but most likely it will be so there will be, that is, such a tendency, of course, they will accept something, of course, they cannot leave ukraine completely without help in the twenty-fourth year, but probably the volumes will not be the same, especially since, as i hope, everything anyway, why do you all think that they are like that, only one andrei vladimerovich says that there will be a budget like this, he says a lot of things, he knows who will be trump’s vice president, he doesn’t say, he is sure that

what regarding germany, the german government has decided to allocate 8 billion euros next year to help ukraine, the decision has already been made, germany has this money. i don’t know why he lied, because maybe because spiegen is from an old issue , not not the latest, because there were 4 billion, they allocated 8, let me clarify, they were also very optimistic about the shells, and they said that we would give shells, in the end 1/3, even less, excuse me, 320,000 shells that were delivered, this is not a million, but 320,000 shells on the heads of ours, our army. by the way, germany just handed over

leopard tanks, armored personnel carriers, 25, which means this seems, everything seems small to us, yes, but for the front, the fact that the situation at the front is quite a lot, secondly, there is no need to focus on numbers, the great assistance that was provided to ukraine was large in amount, and so on, now ukraine has all this, now all it needs is missiles, shells and so on, there won’t be that much money anymore, i hear a change in rhetoric, we are told we don’t need to rely on numbers, two weeks ago we were told everything will be fine with 60 billion, it’s a process, i say that they will give 60 billion, here now there will be a separate bill on international assistance, where ukraine and israel will be, it will pass quietly, because now a new shutdown is not profitable, in the first case it was profitable for them, now it is no longer profitable for them, so they went for this option, so

france, again, you understand that france is not saying that ukraine should pay, france is asking that they pay her for this from the european fund, the peace fund, that’s the whole problem, as for hungary, hungary is stuck with only one thing, take it away, ukraine should remove otpk from the list of sponsors war and we will agree to... everything, no, no, far away, there’s still hungarian, andreyvich, you’ve checked so far, you ’ve bombarded us with facts, the hungarians will sell out very quickly, good, god bless them and the hungarians, that means spiegel’s issue is fresh, yesterday’s, well, it’s yesterday ’s, it was actually prepared a week ago, and andreyvich, did you ever have any idea, i know a little bit that you’re a shphigel, excuse me, please, here’s the statement. pistorius' statement was made yesterday on the basis of a decision that was made

the day before yesterday by the german government, spigen for this is simply not yesterday, yesterday, we did it the day before yesterday, can you alexander vladivich, about money, we heard that the numbers are not important, the numbers are just the same, if we look at the state budget of ukraine for 24, then there is a hole 43 billion dollars, we are not talking about military aid. and now, and now why the 50 billion peace fund is closed is that hungary, listen, i have the impression that hungary was asked there by germany and france in order to save face, because 50 billion would appear in the peace fund, this money is in the budget eu, these the money must first appear in the national budgets of the state, no one has allocated it, this budget is for 50 billion , this is aid for 3 years, the hole is huge, yes, the united states is not giving money 36, give it, they agreed first we will give you 18, the last thing that

sounded, we're at most 9 out of 50 possible. over one all the states, the second thing is that france, she said the wrong thing, they have already come up with a new fund for 20 billion, but france said the wrong thing, that is, the european states that finance yes ukraine, they don’t want these the money went to factories, others states of europe, france says we are ready to sell weapons, that’s how it was said in the story, we are ready to give loans to ukraine, but only for the weapons that french factories will produce, the united states now has two programs, that is, they have already said that biden he will sign one of them, according to the shutdown, one of them until january, the second... ukraine is not there, why will ukraine live? the united states has already reduced the budget injections that they had from 1.6 billion to 800 and a penny of millions. ukraine today has even the brightest promises do not have enough money to close the budget hole of 43 billion. it will all be closed calmly, simple information, this or next, this december, write it down in your notebook vladimir,

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forever tenkov, this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear, we continue, now we will have - such a topic, historical analysis, we know in the editorial office that you always follow such topics with great interest, well, that's it, oh what do we want to talk about today, this is such an interesting moment, i noticed on the internet , on social networks, in the last few days, and, there was such criticism, they say, but the federal television channels did not pay any attention to the next anniversary of death leonid ilvich brezhnev, well, i don’t know, why there, i can’t speak for all television, we naturally paid attention to all this, but we wanted to talk today because on november 15, brezhnev was buried in 1982, so we , this is how we always do it, we want a little bit now to analyze what kind of period in the life of our country it was like, so, well, first let’s give an information block,

it’s a little bit multi-topic, yes, van, it’s now multi-topic, but united by a common theme of sanctions, so alarming news was shared today by the financial tymes, they cite a source in brussels, and not just one, three sources at once and write that the european union... may instruct denmark to inspect, and perhaps even block, tankers carrying russian oil in the baltic, about this , as the publication writes, more than half of seaborne oil exports from russia go along this route. we are talking about ships that transit through the danish straits without western insurance. the lack of insurance within the law allows european union countries check ships, they allegedly may pose a threat to the environment. it is reported that the proposal came after bruce. admitted that almost no shipment of russian oil last month was sold below the western-imposed price ceiling of $60 per barrel. the details of what the dots will do and what they will do in case of

disobedience are still unclear. the danish defense ministry, in response to a request from journalists , stated that the reason for the inspection could be issues related exclusively to maritime safety. danish government, like the european commission, declined to comment. however, in brussels they noted that the head of the european commission and the chief... promised to accept the quote: further actions to tighten the oil price ceiling, we just showed you ursula fonder, but in general women, european women in power have shown in the last couple of days some kind of... then such a brutal ascal, here is the prime minister of estonia, kaya kallas, who was actively promoted, if you remember, to the general secretary of nato, but all this was somehow discussed on the sidelines, now she publicly says: yes, i want. you know, i heard recently joked that the next secretary general of nato should come from a new nato member who has been in the alliance for 20 years, he should definitely be from a country

that spent 2% of gdp on defense, and it would be nice if it were a woman , so it’s logical that the next one could be mark rutte, hints are hints, and you would like your ... yes, modest, what a girl, well, let’s continue this sanctions hysteria, the international olympic committee demanded that national olympic movements everything world, to refuse to participate in the friendship games, which are to be held in moscow and yekaterinburg in the next twenty-fourth year. the position could be explained to journalists by the director of one of the departments of this organization, his name is james mcleot, he said that the participation of athletes from other countries in the games. friendship would violate the recommendation on sanctions against russian sports and, in general, they say these games contradict the collective goal of the olympic movement. president moch personally, thomas bach, also joined in the criticism.

he called games in russia alternative politicized sporting events and condemned the very fact of their holding. the organizing committee of the games reported that they were surprised by such a harsh reaction; they could clarify that the tournament in russia was not created as a counterweight to the olympic games. the kremlin commented on this story. we categorically disagree with the line that could now be taken in relation to our athletes in the context of olympic prospects. this is also well known and we are open about it. states, in the abbreviation could, the letter m does not mean a monopoly of the sports world. well, that's how politicized sports are again became the same, approximately as in brezhnev times , in which we are not quite the same today, but in general, yes, close, because if we remember jokes here again, following the example of kai and kalos, we said that by the eightieth year we had communism, which was expected, and they decided to replace it with the olympic games, in general

, what’s interesting is that we have such a situation today, because if we’re talking about the revolution of the seventeenth year, the time when joseph stalin led the country there, well, of course, due to his age hardly anyone can clearly remember this, unless you study these issues professionally, when we are talking about the times of gorbachev and yeltsin, that is, first this breakdown, and then some kind of completely crazy storm, economic there and whatever you want, we we remember this, there really is a very strong emotional imprint, here is the era of leonid ilyuch, it’s kind of in the middle , we all seem to remember it, we’ve already begun to forget it, and there are two absolutely opposite opinions, which means stagnation, as i understand it, the word stagnation , this is it appeared somewhere during the reign of mikhail sergeevich, yes, because i myself don’t remember when they started saying that yeltsin, brezhnev’s rule meant years of stagnation, on the other hand they say that it’s just that.

here is the heyday of the soviet union, the heyday of socialism, in general we would like to understand today whether this is still stagnation or flourishing. let's watch. brezhnev's funeral was the most pompous since stalin's funeral. november 15, 1982 was declared a day of state mourning. funeral music was broadcast on radio and television, schools have canceled classes. please tell me, you know what happened in the country, right? yes, but what? what would you like most now? i would like the entire soviet people to never forget brezhnev. brezhnev had been seriously ill since 1974, suffered several heart attacks and strokes, which caused him to have problems with articulation. this became the reason for many anecdotes

during the life of the secretary general, common phrases in the spirit of tits, tits, that is, systematically, fucking sausages, socialist countries, and people should go to the shit, gu, that is, to the shit, this is only partly a parody, they advocate further increasing the role and responsibility of the academy of sciences, improving the organization of the entire system of scientific research, brezhnev himself, for the last 4 years since his reign, regularly announced his desire to resign, perhaps sincerely, because he was really tired, and perhaps in this way he tested his subordinates for loyalty; those around him understood this and loyally persuaded them to stay. it’s good for you, and god, you have little work, almost no work, but yesterday i was preparing for today, today i need to prepare, tomorrow to meet this... mexican

, he will come, rest assured, that’s how the work is, brezhnev’s reign was usually called the period of developed socialism, during this period almost 2 billion square meters of housing with an improved layout were built. more than 160 million soviet citizens acquired their own apartments, furnishing them with chic, furniture walls and carpets, and the number of those who could afford their own car also increased. there was detente in foreign policy; by the early seventies, the ussr and the usa had reached

military parity concluded important agreements to limit the arms race. in the socialist camp , on the contrary , the loose screws were being tightened. in the sixty-eighth , brezhnev's tanks put an end to the prague spring, in the eightieth, the politburo in moscow demanded that polish solidarity be dealt with harshly. fraternal poland. “we will not leave you in trouble, we will not give offense. well, finally, the apotheos of brezhnev’s foreign policy is the introduction of troops into afghanistan to support the local soviet regime, however, how will this military special operation end, dear leonid ilyich won't see it anymore. so, come on, yan yanovich, in the year of leonid ilvich’s funeral you were, if i counted correctly, 27, yes, yes, that is, you were already a person who, yes, was entering

the time of maturity, could have some, well , no, the very dawn is a little later, it’s for me, now here i am, still ahead, you said in the pre-interview that you generally have such a bad attitude towards the soviet union, the soviet legacy, so try everything- rise above the vanity and give us a definition of whether it was stagnation or developed socialism, some kind of peak, 18 years - this is too long a period for it to be unambiguously characterized, all 18 years were stagnation, or all 18 years were a peak, because when leonid came to power in the sixty-fourth year, and to such a little extent. the kosygin reform is coming soon, attempts have begun to introduce cost accounting, i’m already saying this as an economist , well, again, you know, when i started to remember all this, i think , yes, i took everything in exams twice, first on the history of the cpsu police economy, i didn’t

think that everything will be stuck like that, the first time they left or something, why, it’s just that in the first year there was history, in the second year there was history, everything was going right, and then something went wrong , as if, not then something went wrong, the system made itself felt, all kosygin the reforms turned out to be unfinished, half-hearted, when they later asked their authors why you still had planned unprofitable industries , they said, yes, we didn’t have planned unprofitable industries, they did it later, what started out as something inspiring hope and even enthusiasm in the mass of people, because in 644, a lot of people still believed that socialism was a good system , under which people would live better, and although i don’t understand much, we

’ll talk about the economy separately, but if we talk about politics, that at the end of the term, here there is such a wonderful, very short joke: what do you dream about? it couldn’t continue any further , and in any case in moscow there was just such a feeling: it couldn’t continue now , it’s just that this feeling from that time was preserved, although i still remember alexandravich. i remember this day well, but i i want to say two things, first thank you to the editors and editors and to you for the fact that in a series of usually traditional disturbing , polemical topics, there is a problem, today, since such a topic,

it still seems to me more positive, despite the fact that this day explain why it means the second, there were diction violations, there is another reason , he was wounded... with age this wound appeared, so the fragment remained, as for sensations, in general i was a third-year student at a medical institute in a trolleybus, why i don't know, no cell phones it was, nothing, this didn’t happen, suddenly word spread, how could something like this happen, this was it, this was the beginning of this on november 10th, this was the feeling, my parents told me how they experienced it. the news of stalin’s death, so, yes, you know, there was something similar, but maybe not so much, there was no such feeling that the world had stopped, and that that’s it, we would all perish, we would all die, although that’s what they thought then, but the feeling that something happened, which is what yan yanovich spoke about, that

there was such a desire for something to happen as soon as possible, something to change, people but millions, everyone had their own way, some had one thing, others another , as for all assessments, indeed, all of brezhnev, in fact, these are two eras, the era is the heyday of the economy and growth, when it was planned, at the beginning it was necessary, after the war, after the khrushchev era, and indeed, it was really correct, it was reasonable, planning was needed, then everything developed, economic relations developed, society developed, in the second half, this planning began to lose your strength, because such factors as lack of competitiveness, competition, lack of motivation, changes in foreign economic trades simply with the departure of the external, in fact , the era of the ussr has passed, it was still a few days by inertia, several years have passed.

somehow to do this, that means, we were told, our literature teacher came, we had a lesson at that time, she stood up and said that leonid ilyevich brezhnev had died, our lessons were canceled that day, we all went home, then , that means i had two such moments, he didn’t was never my friend. so a friend from a parallel class periodically, it means that we crossed paths with him somewhere, and with everything that there was such a slightly depressed atmosphere, this boy came up to me, shook my hand, happy holidays, that is, he, this is the eighty-second year, years, years old, how old are you, well, consider it to be eighty-second, ninth, eighth grade, that is, 14, no, this is, well, look, it’s normal, it’s not normal, i didn’t have a feeling, they said. but we have an entrance here

i was in the fay on the left side where the director’s office was, so they put a portrait of leonid ilyich and there stood the honorary karaun , including me, we stood there for a while in this white shirt, tears were rolling down like hail, no, i fell into the frill, i stood there for a while i was so directly experiencing all this and i freaked out and was sent home. well, so that something like that, we’re all going to die , well, in my family there was no such thing, we were all sitting around watching tv, well, maybe i was actually feeling anxious, but i don’t know what can i even say, well, let andrei vladimovich hold out his hand, now i’ll count how old you were, you were the same age as yayan yanych, 27, yes, well, it might be easier for me to talk about this, because i lived in one house with leon brezhnev, knew him, but there is someone generally world-class. andrei vladimirovich had a very difficult family, if he lived in the same house, it’s understandable, is there at least one person in world

history whom you personally don’t know what he did, kutuzhsky 26, i lived in apartment 385, and knew leonidach well, him family and so on and so on, and you know, the most important thing that lionivich had was positive, yes , this was the ability for collective leadership, so he, unlike some of our leaders, did not commit himself to anything, he really was a person... who balanced decision-making in the country, and this was extremely important, because due to this there was psychological stability, this is the most important thing that was in the country, the country all the time, i don’t take the economy, well, yes, he provided that, the most important thing, he provided psychological stability in the country, that such psychological stability in the future, confidently, we now have no confidence in the tomorrow and there won’t be, there won’t be... second, if we take foreign policy, the most important changes took place under him,

including the signing of the final act in helsinki at seventy in the fifth year, excuse me, he ensured foreign political stability for the soviet union, i agree with that, and i know it was just good personally, he wanted to leave in the seventy-sixth year, but then mikhail andreevich suslov categorically forbade this is for him do because i understood that it would be a politbiro, that there would be a struggle and so on. and if everything is so good, why were there so many such jokes about him, which are not only about, but what you want, but jokes are always born, especially since a man has really been in power for 18 years, he really had problems with teeth, with the lower jaw and so on, yes, indeed, a normal thing, absolutely, about anyone, about any leader of the country, i understand, but you also have jokes, and there are jokes about the current president of russia,

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what stopped in the words of andrei vladimovich fedorov is that under brezhnev an economic foundation was created for everything that we now have. this is such a positive view, there are also complaints about that very economic groundwork, because skeptics say that all those problems in the economy, for example, dependence on the oil needle, that very one, the fragility of reforms, this was all but we will first show in in our story, here are the main complaints about the economy of the brezhnev era. the economy during brezhnev's reign is usually called an era of stagnation, although in 1965, the government sincerely tried to carry out reforms, they later began to be called kosydinsky, after the name of the then head of the council of ministers. they wanted to give the enterprise more freedom and independence, to allow them to think about profits and what to do with them later.

for example, he very skillfully felt then that the country needed stability, and the first decade of his leadership, the sixty-fifth, seventy -fifth year, these were the most successful years in terms of the development of the national economy in the entire history of soviet power, and the most prosperous. but by the beginning of the seventies, the reform was curtailed. conservatives in the politburo already believed that all these thoughts about profit were somehow not our way , defense demanded more and more money, and then oil flowed from siberia to the west, at first in a trickle, and then in an increasingly wider stream. and in the politburo, the ideologically controversial kosygin initiatives were eventually pushed back. in most articles about the kasygin reform , you will read that the reform gave excellent results, they began to curtail it, because supposedly the advice: the leadership was scared political consequences of economic liberalization, was afraid that it would get its prague spring. modern

economists say that this coastal country has become addicted to the so-called oil and gas needle, for example, in 1966 a super-giant gas field was discovered in western siberia, around which an entire city, new urengoy, is being built. gas and petrodollars could be used to finance grandiose projects, such as the never-completed turn of northern rivers to the south. or the construction of the baikal-amur highway, which will last for a decade completed already in the 21st century. tomorrow, following the trains that will go, which are already running and will continue to go along the baikal-amur mainline, the widespread development of this entire region will begin, factories will be built, various factories, housing, schools there, the soviet union began to experience problems with flour and bread back in in the sixties, after 10 years, grain imports were put on stream, in the seventy-fifth... a long-term agreement was signed between the ussr and the usa, according to which the soviet union is obliged to annually purchase 6 million tons of grain from america. the western press writes that in exchange moscow

pledged to supply oil at reduced prices, but the state experienced problems not only with grain; in the mid-seventies, arkady raikin spoke with a miniature of the shortage, everyone understood perfectly well what we were talking about. i come to you, and through the warehouse, through the director-store, through the merchandise store. got a shortage, no one has it, you have it, i tried it, it’s in my mouth, the taste, the specifics, it’s a pity that we didn’t show the general plan here, you never know, maybe some of our viewers don’t know this, aka eats caviar, at this moment, when he talks about the shortage, here he raised a knife, and he is spreading sandwiches there, correct me to what extent these claims are justified, to what extent the brezhnev era is stagnation, no, it’s definitely not, it ’s definitely not stagnation, it’s definitely not stagnation,

because during this time the very social foundation of the country has changed , the country went from rural to urban, and the russian federation became a country of big cities, the way of life changed, the bulk of the population began... to live in separate apartments with completely different social relations, ideas, and so on, the educational level changed, secondary education became truly universal and the role of higher education sharply grew, the foundation was different, the first, the second, and on this changed foundation the possibility of initiative was superimposed, the kosygin reforms were an inevitable response,

and gave a huge impetus, it was said, it grew one and a half times, but then the beginning , serious social problems began, well, excuse me, quantity, we see it clearly today. the number of rural migrants who came to big cities began to master and rebuild the social environment to suit i didn’t quite understand my ideas? then you just said that this is not stagnation, that is, it is good, because the social foundation of the country has changed, the rural country, if you say that you did not say, but if you say that this is not stagnation, but now it turns out, what kind of changes socially dynamic social changes, whether it was done correctly or not, it was inevitable, but i am a supporter of the fact that there are objective processes, this is the first thing, namely the reform of the police, was a response to the sharp

increase. in the country i had the opportunity to read the reports of the kgb of the ussr, which were supplied to my boss pyotr anilovich demich every week, i’m sorry, what kind of stability is there, i don’t interfere internationally, now, well, between the kgb and the ministry of internal affairs the number of things would end. yes, that means the next thing, well, a good remark about stability, yes, yes, the next thing, in response to this , today we understand that at the end of the sixties, the soviet union entered into what we today call the mid-level development trap, a sharp drop in growth rates, where were needed, structural reforms were needed, institutional, uh, in the countries.

the cpsu included two different parties, the party, i apologize, suslov and the party of kosygin, reformers and conservatives, if so, this is not the ideology of a pragmatist, yeah, ideologists and pragmatists, kosegin, was a brilliant manager who solved specific practical problems, he understood, that we need to move on, but unfortunately, he and his friends were kayaking, capsized and drowned, and this is where his health problems began. and when, by the year seventy-seven, under his command there were the next wave of reforms has been prepared, mikhail sergeevich, suslov said at the politburo, no, this is a surrender of the principles of socialism, and a necessary

continuation, now i’m saying a phrase. they were driven into a dead end, so ilya vladislavich, it turns out that the ideologists thus sent us into stagnation, pushing aside the pragmatists. i would start with this, the question of what is this, development or stagnation, into a very simple thing, and where is stagnation, in the economy there was development, that’s right, it was said here, there was development, here in the heads, there was stagnation, the deepest stagnation , i should interrupt, i didn’t interrupt you, the courts, well, what does stagnation in the minds mean, which means it means, so i remember, in 80 i graduated from the faculty of economics of leningrad university, yes, i remember

that the word private property in our faculty, faculty of economics of leningrad university, uttered not in relation to the decaying west, caused an immediate reaction of a call to the kgb, and i received this call to the kgb, and i had a conversation with the kgb, in which they told me, forget about your dissertation , you will never protect her, this is what stagnation in the minds is, in the early sixties, especially in the mid-sixties, they conquered, recovered , yes, it was necessary to make an atomic bomb, they made an atomic bomb, they needed a ballistic missile, in the year fifty-seven the first intercontinental ballistic missile took off, the groundwork was done , it was necessary to undertake a major restructuring of the economy,

a new one was needed... nep, and nep differs from the kosydin reforms in its basis. remember in 78 in china, deng xialping began a policy, as he called it, of reform and opening up. why did it start? it began with family contracting in agriculture, where peasants took land, billions of peasant families rented land, for which it was done. commodity-money relations need a base, small private property, but instead of developing this, it was under brezhnev, in the sense that they were ideologues of pragmatists, as if pushed into the background, there were some pragmatists - they were ideologists, they were

infected, not the idea, the idea that it was necessary to completely abandon this dogma, completely abandon this dogma and think as it was thought. it doesn’t matter what color the cat is, as long as it catches mice, there was nothing even close to this in the manual, sorry, in a country with large industrial production, with large agricultural enterprises, rental contracts, we saw all this at the beginning of 9, if you use the words nonsense , i’ll answer you adequately, you know me, just a second,

the main thing, the main thing is that the professor doesn’t give you a bad mark in economics, otherwise he might be like that, i’ve already passed all my exams, ideologists and pragmatists, it turns out that the pragmatists themselves were ideologists, your picture of the world, no, well, ideologists, pragmatists, in my opinion, these are illusions, so what about stagnation - this is a journalistic cliche, which has nothing to do with the period of 64-8, the second thing is that of course, nothing has frozen, that’s what colleagues said, that people were starting to live better right before our eyes , that’s all, as i understand it, that’s what concerns apartments, people began

to dress better, how people moved from padded warmers to a normal coat, and so on, it was a development, but at the same time i didn’t i agree that there were pragmatists. or ideologists ala suslov, who changed something, when we say stagnation with such a negative connotation, we mean something else, that the rise that was in the fifties and in the first half of the sixties, the very pace of development, the pace of development cannot be stopped , because it always exists, but it began to fall sharply, labor productivity, well, i won’t name dates, so as not to bother my head with this... gdp fell, well, that is, everything fell, look, there is, there is some... that, there is some kind of apocrypha, which probably means that here we are, but the khrushchevskaya thaw began, all these sixties, rockets flew, everyone began to

sing songs, physicists accompanied by a guitar, and then suslov appeared, this ideologist who took i crushed it all, and that’s why the rockets stopped. this is the positive attitude that is now being formed in society towards that period, it was caused by one thing, one thing, someone said, there was stability, no one thought that it would move, it was so monolithic, with on the other hand there was predictability, but on the other hand there was a feeling that it was impossible to live like this, why, so i’m trying to understand that... and now with foreign countries, because the information was fantastic, there was zero freedom of speech, that is, that’s all gave rise

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the expression brezhnev's era evokes positive associations, because it is a calm life, stability, that's how today it was said, confidence in the future. accessible and free services, stable salaries, peace and friendship of peoples. there is no clear opinion about whether the brezhnev era was stagnant, now you see these figures , less than 40% mention stagnation, 38% to be precise, and almost exactly the same number, 37, think exactly the opposite, that it was a time of development of the country. and joseph evgenvich, why is there no consensus, why is it like this in the first place, you have old data from the book that was given to you. i honestly haven't yet, yes i have i understand, there are simply the results of a sociological study that i conducted in 2022, where they asked people what era you would like to live in, in the era of alexander’s reforms, stalin, brezhnev in today’s era, and, of

course, yeltsin’s, and approximately a third chose today's. so approximately a third chose the brezhnev era, the rest there, depending on ideologically, then this coincides with the eleventh year 37%, i just want to say that the basis for the assessment today and the brezhnev era are very similar, they are very close, this is the first thing, they coincide, they coincide, i just tried then to object to andrei vladimovich about the fact that there is no confidence in tomorrow. so i agree the same points, the second, of course, i rarely agree with vladimovich, people wanted stability, did not want hassle, but i want to remind you that all this collapsed at the time of the introduction of our troops in afghanistan, according to kgb reports, the funeral of our soldiers in

afghanistan turned into anti-soviet rallies, what kind of stability is there, but nevertheless, it was the end of seventy the ninth year of the politburo meeting, by the way, one of the reasons was very similar to the current situation, when once again, we are now discussing sociology, which means that now people remember, in general, over time, only a good, long-standing principle is remembered, so people remember the time, when, in general , personal well-being increased sharply, yeah, that is, how those who, well, in general, were seriously engaged in studying this time, as it were, because it turns out that the average person, ideologically charged people, had a negative attitude and continue to have a negative attitude towards

brezhdev reforms, and this is understandable, we have 13% of the population, ideologically charged people. and you can understand this nostalgia of a significant part, listen, the properties of human memory, the human psyche, when i was young, the sun was brighter, the grass was greener, the girls were more beautiful, this is a completely standard thing when people remember there at 60 years old, what they were like in twenty years old, everything was much better, most people are not aware of this, as for assessing brezhnev as a leader and whether it’s good under him life, you know, depends on who you compare it with, compare it with stalin. but undoubtedly life was wonderful, compared there with today, when , listen, there was no, there is no longer such a thing as in the joke, that such a long, green thing smells like sausage, it’s an electric train from moscow to koluga with sausage, because to live

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wild kamchatka salmon from the tents fish processing plant. this is the meeting place, so please share your personal most vivid impression or memory of the era of leonid ilyich, aleksandrovich, well then, if possible, two, brightly positive and brightly negative, especially since in a row, the brightest, the most vivid, negative impression, and even fear, is the deployment of troops to afghanistan in 1979. and the brightest positive pride and joy is the olympics in the eighties, andrei vladimorovich, well, of course, of course, these are the olympic games, but in general i say that it was the most important feeling of positive life, yeah, ilisavich, well, the positive thing is entering the university, it was

more of an event for me, it’s purely yours, it’s purely personally. you are asking personally, but negatively, i remember how at my uncle’s garden plot, in gardening, uh, uh, the bureaucrats forced him to demolish with his own hands his built bathhouse, which did not fit into any standards, and they forced him to demolish it, he demolished it cried, this was a beach, maybe they really didn’t fit in there. in the eighties i worked at the krasnogorsk mechanical plant and the following situation is symbolic for me: a most honored man, a marshal, arrived, and the krasnogorsk plant made a tank a night vision sight, but it was not included in the layout and the engineers suggested slightly changing the internal layout of the tank, to which he said: we won’t rearrange it,

we’ll smash them during the day. i have no personal memories, of course, but i was lucky enough to communicate with people whose memories were quite interesting , i recorded one of the last interviews with viktor sukhadrev, brezhnev’s long-term translator, read his book, the language is my friend, mine, by the way, is very good , and going through the archives, because the genre implies that i still need to show some picture to the audience, i saw the footage that shocked me even then and which i remember now, when brezhnev , after, in my opinion, some kind of csce session , he looks behind him, turns, you see, turning to him, he has a piece of paper with large written text, a dead tree , read this too, since then i understand that i’m not a fan of this era at all, i thought you’d say something good, so we have a minute and a half left, then it’s because andrei vladimir is here in the first place, he carried me to the zionists today absolutely, just yes, secondly, he said that

there is confidence in the future, we have confidence, which means great bows this saturday. please, everyone get up, from the tvs, come to the dcc of the lenin komsomo, on the 25th and 26th, and balakovo is the city palace of culture , and in saratov, the officers' house, we come to my concert, so we have confidence, that's the joke, i naturally so i dug around, today i also looked through it, if you believe the annals of jokes, this is somewhere in the seventy-seventh, seventy-eighth, and, leonid ilich wanted to talk about something with students, came to the student dormitory, and something like... the conversation is , well, maybe they are embarrassed by him, well, it doesn’t go well, he suggests, let’s say, now we’ll drink some cognac, tell jokes, and relax, we’ll all talk, the students say, well, of course, here he is... took out some money, gave it to one student , the student ran off to get some cognac, they are sitting, that is, waiting, it’s still somehow awkward, to fill the pause, leonid ilyevich says: “comrades, students, the communist party

is under the leadership of the central committee works tirelessly for increasing the well-being of the soviet people." here one student says, wait, leonid ilyevich, we agreed, first cognac, and then a joke. this was the meeting place, which cannot be changed, it will be 14:00. tv, all the best to you, goodbye. the main financial documents of the country and the state duma today in the second reading adopted the draft three-year budget. another group of russians escaped to egypt from the gas sector. and the day before, almost 100 people evacuated from the conflict zone flew to moscow. terribly, between life and death, there was no shutdown in the united states there will be, for now, why washington is constantly balancing on the brink.