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that we mentioned in our very recent programs, but they weren’t the main topics then, well, let’s start with the news, as we usually do, and this news will lead us so smoothly to the first topic, so well, firstly, the ministry of defense of our country reported on another enemy attempt to attack targets on territory of the crimean peninsula, as reported by the ministry of defense, at about 7:00 in the morning in the sky over the peninsula, air defense systems on duty discovered three ukrainian drones were shot down. at the same time, according to reports from localities in sevastopol , the movement of maritime passenger transport was stopped, and a missile alert was announced. obviously, this is due to the ukrainian armed forces’ attempt to attack targets in crimea from the sea. well, indeed there was such an attempt in the western part of the black sea. our military discovered four ukrainian unmanned boats. they were all destroyed by naval aviation of the black sea fleet.

well, today new details of the criminal case against daria trepova became known, the same one who committed the terrorist attack that resulted in the death of military correspondent vladlen tatarsky, now she has already been included by the ministry of justice, as you remember, in the list of terrorists and extremists, now it has become clear that the court it seems like the process should be over by the end of the year. trepova, pretending to be a student sculptor and a fan of tatarsky, on instructions from the ukrainian special services , handed the military correspondent a statue filled with explosives, but always assured the investigation that she was used, as they say, in the dark, she did not know that there was actually a bomb inside the gift. and so the investigation found out that the girl was lying, she not only understood that she was carrying an explosive device, but directly admitted that an assassination attempt was planned on tatarsky - she told her friend about this. moreover, trepovova, according to available data, planned to carry out a terrorist attack a week earlier at a meeting between a military correspondent and students in moscow, but her supervisors dissuaded her from this idea. what the operation was carefully planned, confirmed by the fact that in the morning. forged documents were prepared,

including a driver’s license and student id; the court is now hearing witnesses in this case. she behaved confidently, was smiling, she recalled her, about her previous meetings with vladlen, he did not immediately remember her, he then remembered and even called her name, nastya, she was called then, here she is... announced that brought him a gift, but the main terrorist, speaking about vladimir zelsky, continues to make desperate attempts to reach out to the republicans, who are now in the us house of representatives, blocking funding for ukraine, so in order to reach out, he gave an interview to fox news, where he stated that the past month for ukraine at the front was the most difficult since the start of hostilities, well and now he is practically publicly begging that...

let's talk to him and give him the opportunity to talk about his peace formula, i'm ready, of course, if he has a clear peace plan, he can share it with me, yes, we can stop the war if we give russia, donbass and crimea, in my opinion, our country will not be ready for such a peace plan, this is not a peace plan. today it sounds, perhaps, only the ukrainian ministry of culture, they reported that they seemed to have agreed with the netherlands that skivsky gold would soon be sent from amsterdam to ukraine, for a long time there was a lawsuit over this gold, i will remind you, a collection of artifacts from the crimean museums, which were taken to the netherlands for an exhibition, shortly before the crimea reunited with russia. the exhibits were kept in museums all this time, there were numerous lawsuits, and as a result , the supreme court of the netherlands ruled that

the kiev gold should be returned to ukraine. it is not specified when this will happen, but according to the department, the generous dutch have decided to write off debts for burying the exhibits during the last few years. 9 years, yes, it turns out to be such a consolation prize, andrei vladimirovich, we can now return to the events that actually preceded it, well, yes, because we are literally in yesterday’s program they mentioned that 10 years in ukraine, they had a holiday on this occasion yesterday, 10 years of euromaidan, but they don’t say that now, 10 years of euromaidan, they say that i forgot the day again, revolution of dignity, like oh well, something like that, but in general it’s interesting that once every 10 years in ukraine some kind of grandiose upheavals happen, in the fourth year there was an orange maidan, in the fourteenth year there was a euromaidan, i don’t want to say anything further, you should be wary of them, it’s you they said, yes, why euromaidan, it’s probably still necessary remind you, because these are the events that, at the turn of the thirteenth and fourteenth years, took place in, well, first of all, of course, in kiev and ultimately led to

a coup in ukraine, when the legitimately elected president yanukovych was removed from power and was then forced to flee the country , in general, all this was connected with the fact that ukraine was about to begin the process of joining the european union, well, there was only the first stage of the association agreement, which yanukovych did not sign, well, then it all started, today we want to express not our own thoughts, but to present them to you, this is what our ideological opponents think about this, it’s very successful, now a documentary film has been released on the bbc for the anniversary, that’s how do they now imagine how they evaluate the events that began to develop in kiev 10 years ago? bbc journalists consider the eastern partnership summit, which took place on november 28, 2013 in vilnius, to be one of the key events. the then

president of ukraine viktor yanukovych was supposed to sign an association agreement between the eurasian economic union and kiev there, but as they say, something went wrong. we believed that we were talking only about financial compensation , we offered him all possible solutions, including financial assistance worth billions of dollars, but he never decided to sign, the culprit for the failure of the agreement, which, as they say in brussels, promised ukraine has had a breakthrough in relations with the european union, british journalists exposed russia, saying that moscow offered kiev more favorable conditions, and yanukovych accepted them, true, all this is in the usual spirit of highly likely, stretched out over many years, and putin offered cash and literally tomorrow, there were rumors about trucks transporting cash from

ukraine to yanukovych’s accounts in russia. some western leaders now admit that ukraine has drawn them into its game; kiev actually needed all the talk about joining the eu only to blackmail moscow. i spoke with azerbaijani president aliyev, who i always thought had a good understanding of the situation, and he said: “it’s absolutely clear to me that yanukovych and the ukrainians want a better deal with moscow, so they are flirting with the eu in the hope of getting better conditions from moscow. but the cunning game was not appreciated by those who came to maidan nezalezhnosti in 2013. yanukovych’s refusal to sign an agreement with the eu at the summit in lithuania was direct broadcast showed on the main one. viktor yanukovych, who lost today, today, unfortunately, ukraine and the entire western

world lost. despite the growing degree of protest on the streets of kiev, russia approved loans to ukraine for $15 billion. against this backdrop, the events of february 2014 began year when under the pressure of the opposition of western leaders , yanukovych was removed from power. it was a humiliating defeat for the ukrainian president, who had to relinquish many of the powers he gained through controversial constitutional changes and will step down by the end of the year. okay, here's what i want to ask. let's maxim anatelevich, let's start with you. that as i understand it, you visited kiev several times at that time because you covered all these events for a businessman, this is the european future for ukraine, this was generally considered seriously by brussels, kiev,

or i don’t know, it’s a tool of blackmail, a method of bargaining, yes, this is a method of bargaining, yes , what is it in general, how it looked then, and how it looks now, well, this is a typical ukrainian story, that is...’ trying to suck different queens and at the same time both europe and russia, to bargain with these and these, mr. cameron referred to aliyev, well, really aliyev, that. dad, that his son knew very well the rules of the game in the post-soviet space , ukrainian psychology, and that’s roughly how it was, and the association with europe, but at the same time, not to lose the benefits that it brought for 10 years, today there is a lot there, well, since yesterday i have already seen all sorts of jokes about this, that ukraine has not received in 10 years, let's not remember the frequent koftuna that was always shouting at us here without visas, without visas, we won’t remember him at all. but in general, what has ukraine received in these 10 years, where is its european

happiness, no, if we talk about whether what happened in 10 years brought happiness to ukraine, then we all see that brought war, devastation, catastrophe, in general, i don’t know, to be honest, why immediately, for example , the europeans, after yanukovych fled, why they didn’t immediately accept ukraine into their ranks, well done, finally, that’s it. so that means they initially did not consider this as a realistic way to gradually pull away from russia from the very beginning, but now they are pulling armenia, for example, that they are going to accept it, the day after tomorrow into the european union, no, of course, this is pure selfishness, to cut off from russia to receive the maximum benefits from the fact that ukraine will be in their economic space, they didn’t say anything that the goal had been achieved, you had a phrase before the interview that it was precisely rejection from russia, that is, this was the main european goal, right? i wouldn’t say that the main goal, but it was definitely

the main goal for the ukrainians who came out to protest in november 1930, yes , as for europe, europe wanted, and i still think it still wants to trade a little with russia, but there it was not completely intact, a little bit completely, a drop, but we say half a lump, it’s so terrible expression, but now it fits, it was not europe that was intact. russia, to create an armed conflict with russia, it was simply necessary, here you also need to understand that europe , as a european project, yes, wanted and still wants to expand very much, because the meaning of the european union is to expand, expand, expand, and ukraine was one of candidates, we know that it was part of the eastern partnership, so it was just a logical step, but no one... you believed then 10 years ago that now yanukovych came to this summit in lithuania,

in my opinion, yes, he almost brought a pyro, now he will sign, ukraine will kind of gently pull away from russia, but just believing in this from today is very difficult, very difficult, but then it was believed, then it was believed, yes, but how and i believed that it could become black, come on, wait, now we won’t go all over europe, but nor said that in his opinion, this is it. the first one raised his hand , it really was such a goal , i don’t think that people just had a goal to break with russia, they probably really wanted something different there, it’s always in people’s heads there is a certain myth, they have been driven into their heads by the european myth, euro-optimism, that we will now join the euro-association.

then to the european union, we will have the european level of pensions, salaries, there will be no corruption, nothing at all, this is a myth for the sake of which, look, and when kravchuk said that in a few years ukraine will be a second france, then there was something else, that is, in principle, there should have already been a vaccination against these myths, no, no, andrei vladimirovich, vaccination, so maybe that, you know, vaccinations are a side effect sometimes they give effects, someone gets a blood clot, now after... 10 years of virtual civil war, you ask some citizens of ukraine, they will say, no, that’s it, we did everything right, what a vaccine, we showed such people yesterday, in the bible there is such an expression, when god turns to a jew, you, what else can i beat you with, well, i brought this down on you, this, this, you still go there, this is exactly the case, as for political aspects, the goal europe and the us goals were somewhat different, speaking in overall about the goals of the west, then it was the desire to put an end to transit. the situation of ukraine, when it was sitting on two chairs, it was given a harsh choice: either you go to the west, or you go to the east, and they don’t

care, but we don’t care, i still remember, in 2001 i i sat with igor guzhva here in moscow, he says, but i don’t understand why we need a european association, this is a voluntary surrender of sovereignty, why it is needed, he didn’t understand, but now it becomes clear that it was not needed by the ukrainian elites, but from them this they demanded that for the europeans it was necessary to turn ukraine, i beg your pardon, briefly, into a reservoir of cheap power, cheap resources . let’s call it so that this is all, this is what we just saw on the screen from behind, black tires, why give up all this, but somehow from the european association, but somehow in a different way, or it would still have converged at one point, where it converged, one way or another, well, i have this version, in fact , no european integration was planned, to tear ukraine away from russia was not planned, all this european integration is purely populism, information technology in order to fool the people of ukraine and

manipulate them, ukraine was initially prepared as a territory where there would be a civil war on the border with russia, that is , a war was initially being prepared there from the early nineties, when the banderaites, after the collapse of the union, the first trains friendship, when they traveled to the regions, when korchinsky in 1994, if i’m not mistaken, announced that crimea would be ukrainian or bezly for yuri tym, he ’s not, it’s korchinsky, there are chronicles, maybe, maybe, it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter, yes, 2004 let us remember that ukraine was preparing for war then, that is, 2004, when there was the orange revolution. that is, there was already a skirmish then, but the ukrainian people were not yet ready to kill each other, so why was this idea about war needed, what is the point in it, because you said that it was not

planned to tear ukraine away from russia, but the war was originally , a civil war on the border with russia, that is, all the post-soviet countries, but georgia, who in the west needs this, who wants to weaken russia , trade with you, weaken russia, and the war - it’s always money, especially for the west, especially for the americans, you understand this very well, the fact is that the european union did not need the war, the european union wanted to include ukraine in its sphere of influence, not in the composition, in the sphere of influence, these are cheap resources, there round timber, oil, metals, this is cheap labor, cheap white, these. there are arabs there and so on, and this is a sales market for goods, a forty-million-dollar new market, there are all the old goods, cars, everything, please, this is fine, before you pass the word, but for america, this is the source conflict, pressure on russia, yes, this is a war, america needed a war, let’s look at another story now, because it was not in vain that i asked about the possible wisdom of the ukrainian leadership, because ukraine does not go from year to year, not from decade to

decade, and from president to president, she constantly tried to somehow blackmail russia with something, to bargain for something, a couple of years ago she called it dependency. early last year, vladimir putin said: after the collapse of the soviet union and before the coup in 2014, the ukrainian budget received from russia all kinds of preferences worth 250 billion dollars. these include gas discounts, preferential loans and other pleasant bonuses. true, this was not enough for kiev. a vivid example, open theft of gas, constant blackmail regarding transit. ukrainian authorities prefer. act in such a way as to have all the rights and advantages in relations with russia, but not bear any obligations. instead of partnership , dependency began to prevail, which on the part of the kiev official authorities sometimes acquired absolutely unceremonious character. moreover , ukraine received its first loan from our country 2 years after the collapse

of the soviet union. later, kiev achieved preferential gas prices. at some point , even more gas went to ukraine than to italy, etc. at the same time, the then president kuchma recognized preferential gas, then they resold it to the same west, simply multiplying the price by two. but this money was not enough for kuchma; one day he asked russia to share, well, in a purely brotherly way. we ourselves know very well that the global financial crisis has hit russia, but given the huge reserves, it is, of course, easier for russia to survive this crisis. the other day you had a neighboring power from the north and you didn’t... they gave several billion in the form of a loan, maybe you can give us some, it will be like brotherhood, maidan star yulia tymoshenko was actively begging for money from russia. in 2009, tymoshenko signed a long-term agreement with moscow on gas supplies to ukraine and the transit of fuel to europe. in exchange, kiev received a twenty percent discount on gas, and already in 2014 the same tymoshenko demanded

that ukraine get up from its knees and stop beg for benefits from russia. just a name, he knows. not a very good tradition, when we are used to begging for something, if we make claims to russia, we cannot fight against the occupiers with one hand, and with the other hand beg for discounts on gas, the price of gas, the fourth president of ukraine, viktor yanukovych, also asked for help from russia, already after the maidan , he said that he asked russia for a loan in the amount of $15 billion, the reason was banal, the imf refused money to kiev, and in addition, moscow reduced it. prices for ukraine for gas by a third, all the work that has been done is aimed at resuming the positive dynamics of mutual trade turnover and emphasizes... our truly strategic relations. vasily dmirovich, that is, while he and moscow were somehow still able to establish relations more or less, they

constantly remained afloat, because we threw up, as they say, poverty, yes, as soon as we stopped doing this, it stopped everything works. if you allow me, i will try to answer from the point of view of non-russians, not russia, but ukraine, from the inside, by and large , nothing has changed for me, neither in the ninety-first year, nor now in the twenty- third year. all ukrainian politicians, including zelensky, treat all ukrainian partners exactly the same: give, give, give, give pennies, it doesn’t matter, the european union should give, the united states should give, russia should give, china should give, arabs should give, jews they even have to give, you actually once always explained this to us very clearly before, why everyone owes it to ukraine, it’s now you, after such a pause, who condemn something like this. everyone owes us, yes, everyone simply owes everything, now on the essence

of the issue, the maidan and all this and could the authorities , the question is, you said, there is no difference from ninety-one to twenty, everyone owes, and when did it appear at all? here is the realization that everyone is owed to you, well, how could it not be that they woke up, they must have already happened in the ninety-first year , i’ll tell you, i would even tell you that the first time i was about 10 years old when i heard in school, that everyone owes us, well, at school, yes, that is, we ukraine was part of the soviet union, but we are owed, moscow owes us, because we are deprived, you know, the fact that gas was flowing, transit through us and the fact that ukraine was gasified and much more than russia, we perceived this.

i practically answered the same as you, it’s just that when i became conscious , at least more or less a child, i then realized that we all owe it conditionally as a state, now the difference, now the difference, we owe it as a state and we owe it as people, never i i haven’t heard from my relatives, from my neighbors about what i need. someone has to, ukrainians are plowmen, in their essence, ukrainians, it doesn’t matter, they are workers, in factories and so on, that is, ukrainians themselves are like people , it’s just that this is the paradox, they roll up their sleeves and still work, no matter in the czech republic, in slovakia, in russia, in ukraine, they work, a lot of people are ready to work, ready to sell their labor to receive capital, this is a paradox when people, people work, and for some reason when they get into power, everyone wants to live on the ball , yes or what do we owe? this is a problem, this is a problem, and now before the maidan, in fact, as soon as ukraine gained independence, leonid kravchuk said: “we need to learn how to maneuver between the dots of the board, that is

, ukraine must maneuver, maneuver and pass so that even when it rains, the drops don’t fall, kuchma did the same policy, yushchenko did the same policy , under yanukovych, i’m an official, in the twelfth year a paper order came, and we are preparing that we are going to the european union, ministry, officials are preparing, we are preparing for the european union, we are preparing, really , this, this is not just blah blah blah, and vilnius, in fact, was that, that point of no return, how is it so, we are preparing the european union, we we sign the papers, we vote, here we say : no, no, stop, yanukovych did this, by and large, the phrase was said by a traitor, this is true, i agree that yanukovych is a traitor, that’s why it was

raining, all members of the politburo got wet, and anastas ivanovich came, yes, stalin asked him, but how is this so, he says, and i am between trickles, between trickles, it means that if this was a strategy, then why are you now repeating these accusations that yanukovych is a traitor, if he is trying to do exactly the same thing, promoted on the way to the european union you not so, ukrainian society was so imagine, i can speak in numbers, i can just say society or kiev two blocks away one second lviv, kievomir , vinnitsa, in donetsk, lugansk, they wanted to go to europe, yes, you can’t imagine, but yes, people wanted to europe, indeed, because, because let's put it to your attention, yes, it was, this is public, public

opinion, listen, donetsk were in power, they made the decision that we were going to europe, yanukovych made this decision, and ukrainian society was aimed at europe, this is the brake, what is the problem with yanukovych, what is the problem with the authorities, the european football championship was held, here, here, go out to people and say, dear citizens of ukraine, look, we are going to europe, but there are such problems, here we go, let's think about it, no one said a damn thing, they accepted it. european future of ukraine, i know, andrey, you love jokes, you probably know, you probably know the joke about the lawyer’s son, who is happy, he ran home happy and says dad, i won the case that you led for 20 years, dad says, you’re a complete idiot , because this business has fed us for 20 years, the same thing with european integration, what is it to implement, you asked

the question: could europe, immediately after the euro-mine, have accepted ukraine into the eu? what does it mean to accept ukraine into the eu? this means realizing a dream. it means it ceases to be a dream. this means that europe is losing an instrument for manipulating an entire people. do they need it, tell me? of course not. therefore , no one had any illusions about any prospects. there were no prospects for ukraine to actually be accepted into europe. i agree that yanukovych has done more than others in relation to europe. integration, but why was he able to implement it, because in fact he seemed to be trying to help his electorate say, don’t pay attention to this, this is such a delicate game that we are playing, but in fact we are not going there, and believe me, if yanukovych had been in the opposition at that time, someone else from the real ones would have been allowed to take over the government well, politicians who are focused on europe would not be able to implement anything, absolutely nothing,

the fact of the matter is that yanukovych was the most successful on the way to realizing ukraine in europe, because his electorate trusted him, and the electorate that was against her, also supported this idea, why was it necessary to manipulate ukraine, so you told europe, they are still doing this, remind you about the open doors of nato, about the doors what is the point, so bogdan anatolyevich said there are resources there for what? of course for this, because europe constantly puts forward certain conditions. which ukraine is obliged to fulfill, striving for europe, yes, but these conditions change all the time, change, change, time passes, ukraine does nothing, what about corruption, the truth is that we are also deceiving europe, including the signing of the association , ukraine signed, although if you look at the essence of the document that it signed, this document contradicts the interests of ukraine itself; it is written exclusively in

the interests of the european union. you see, in the interests of the european union, that is, ukraine signed a document that contradicts its interests, and this is one of the methods of manipulation, if you want to go to europe, sign this document, ukraine tried to stop the export of round timber, they just said, if you make such a decision, the way europe is closed to you, no visas, no visas accepted, as soon as the ukrainian authorities try to do something against europe, they will immediately declare: if you do this, we will cancel your visa-free regime, you see, this is a way of blackmail and the implementation of that economic policy, in general , in principle, politics, making any political decisions, exclusively through the prism of the interests of the west, europe and the americans in particular, pressure and implementation from what perovich said, i get the feeling, i was still much younger then, that this is the kind of train that has come to reality, is traveling and who are the drivers, the drivers

he is a good example nearby, he may not be very pleasant for us, even for russia, this is lukashenko, lukashenko, he really preserved the policy of this multi-vector policy with the west and russia, well now of course, this is the role of the individual in history, absolutely true, but this is the role of the individual and that structure. look, you are all telling me here, well, from this side, at least, yes, about the fact that ukraine needed to be manipulated, this is very convenient, look at me, how much money has now been poured into this over the last 2 years ukraine itself, almost as much as russia, what is this, this looks like manipulation, it seems to me that this is something

else. because look, i saw something there today, there was some kind of newspaper , it means that now about 650,000 ukrainian men have escaped from the army and are in european countries, further, it means that the europeans have also accepted, to put it mildly, a huge the number of refugees, women , children there, they send money, they send weapons, what kind of manipulation is this, this is something else, i already said this on the air, europeans did not plan a war, they needed to take ukraine out of russia’s sphere of influence, turn it into their colony, so that they could trade cheap goods with it and maybe even to russia, now it’s not a colony, now you don’t suck money out of it there , but, but for the americans, for the americans this is an instrument of the geopolitical impact of the war, they have higher stakes, even financial and economic, so in this case they are now making europe pay, not themselves, but first of all europe, who

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hostages for prisoners from israeli prisons, and a truce for a few days. according to the statement, a four-day ceasefire will be declared in the conflict zone in the gas strip in the next 24 hours. at this time hamas will release the hostages, and it will release them in small groups. at the first stage, 50 of the 240 prisoners are expected to be released. in exchange, israel will release palestinian prisoners, women and minors, their number is still being specified, in addition, it provides for a partial lifting of the blockade on gas, the delivery of humanitarian fuel supplies there, it is also reported that the united states took part in the deal, in addition to israel and hamas and egypt. we are very optimistic, we are hopeful, but we are also very interested in that this mediation be crowned with success in achieving a humanitarian truce. we have seen many leaked statements here and there. but we would prefer to keep our statements to ourselves until we

have a final decision on the agreement in its current form. what does the israeli side say? they confirm that after many hours of nightly discussions, the government approved, i will quote here, a partial deal for the release of the hostages. well, the jerusalem post publication gives details and it is said that 50 israeli citizens will be exchanged for 150 palestinians from israeli prisons. it's really. women and minors, but here it is important for israel that these are people not convicted of murder, however, all these messages are contrary to messages from the israeli army, after the terms of the deal appeared, tsahal announced that it was continuing fighting in the gaza strip, but in general, there is no smell of any stops there yet. in the morning report published on the social network x, let me remind you, the former twitter, the military spoke about the attack airstrikes, firefights with hamas militants , destruction of militant infrastructure. in confirmation. attached video materials, there is an israeli military inspection somewhere

in the urban area of ​​gaza, at the same time the palestinian news agency wafa reported an attack on the nuseirat camp, this is the central part of the gaza strip, which killed nine people. let us listen to the israeli prime minister. i want what i say to be clear to everyone. the war continues. and the war will continue until we reach all our goals, namely, well, the american reaction, us president joe biden, for his part, welcomed the conclusion of an agreement between israel and hamas, in a message that has now been published on the white house website, it is said that he appreciates, biden appreciates nitanyahu’s readiness to ensure implementation these same agreements , biden also said that he would... keep in touch, well, as he promises, at least with all regional leaders, so that the conflict

does not worsen, and the humanitarian situation does not worsen situation in the sector. so with the middle east andrei vladimovich, yes, of course, i would not be in a hurry to hope too much that everything will calm down there, settle down, well, well, if so, let’s stay for now on the discussion of the topic of the escalation of tensions, i said at first that i didn't want to say anything about it. year, i’m just drawing attention to the fact that all sorts of outrages in ukraine happen periodically once every 10 years, but i’ll have to return to this topic, because that’s what this is about said... at the beginning of the week zelensky himself, we even showed you this piece, this idea that very soon a new maidan will take place in ukraine, with the goal of overthrowing zelensky, this idea was somehow picked up by the press, they began to discuss it, in the most different publications at different levels. let's get a look.

former ukrainian prime minister mykola azarov responded to zelsky’s fears about the third maidan. he is sure that it will definitely not be necessary to prepare such revolutions. russia. according to azarov, it is currently possible to organize a coup d'état in ukraine only great britain and the usa can. at the same time, the ex-premier believes that washington and london will begin to implement such a scenario only when they finally decide that it is time to remove zelsky. the easiest way to replace him is to hold elections in which they support a candidate other than zelensky. and that’s it, zelsky left. but if maidan is required, then they must. by his organization, namely the americans, relying on extreme nationalists. western newspaper writes about the likelihood of another maidan in ukraine press. the politico publication, citing one of the former ukrainian ministers, claims that popular discontent against the backdrop of unfulfilled hopes and promises of the maidan in

1414 could lead to a coup. another reason could be the terrorist president zelensky, whose ratings are still high due to the war. about what is current. his days are numbered, whether he is overthrown as a result of a military coup , whether he will be killed, or what else may happen to him. the ukrainian leader is doomed because the us made him president in order to create a springboard from ukraine for a war with russia. and now the results of this decision are becoming visible. sociology also indicates that the ukrainian population is dissatisfied with what is happening. a recent joint survey by the razumkov center for democratic foundation showed that 40% of ukrainians favor a cessation of hostilities in the event of increased missile attacks from russia, and the washington post also writes about the population’s fatigue from the war. after twenty months of total war,

social tensions are beginning to emerge in the previously unshakable national unity of ukraine. disagreements. the lack of good news also lowers the morale of citizens as fears grow. that russia will soon resume attacks on energy infrastructure. vasily dmirovich, since you said that you somehow don’t see any particular changes in the ukrainian political psychology, even since the ninety-first year, and the maidan is some kind of tradition, maybe already, my friends and i go to the bar, once every 10 years we organize, to put it clearly, the first maidan or revolution on granite, as it is called in ukraine, was back in the nineties year, so these are already three maidans, and not two, if there is a fourth, then it will have to be the fourth, what do you think, it will, it won’t, i’m sure that there will be something, if, if zelensky persists so much, then there will be something, maybe it’s the maidan, maybe it’s a riot, maybe it’s a coup, most likely it’s not the maidan in the understanding of the ukrainians, yes, but,

but it will be, because, you know, an amazing thing, zelsky lives with his fears, zelsky has been afraid from the very started. as soon as he became president, he was afraid of poroshenko, that poroshenko would someday take him will overthrow, then now he is afraid of zaluzhny, but most of all he is afraid that poroshenko and zaluzhny will unite, these are internal fears, now he says that they want to kill him, but he wants to kill him, that is, he has some fears, fears, fears, that’s where the fears come from, it’s surprising that 75% of people voted for him, and 25 voted for poroshenko, that is, these are these ideological westernizations, but the people of lviv, the lviv ... region, and for some reason zelensky wants to get in there , that is, he takes an ideology, wants to go there to them, and he he’s afraid of these very people, that’s why then the number of assassination attempts has decreased, he said a year ago that they wanted to kill him 12 times, and now he said five or six, yes, but you just understand, if and when

something happens in ukraine , then this will just be done, these are the most ardent part of the people, you imagine it with the slogans, what's the difference. before it was all about muscovites there all the time, but now it’s useless to go to the square, what’s the problem, people who have relatively speaking, flies, machine guns and so on, they just killed, shot and so on, without any ideology, unfortunately, unfortunately, it makes a difference to me, they told you there will be something, it speaks to me bitterly, but i watched the film i can’t imagine what it is perhaps, so let’s give something , what kind of something, with the fact that the maidan in the classical sense is impossible , only a military, armed coup by the military is possible, that’s because from the special services, law enforcement agencies as a whole, the system in ukraine, it’s been like that all these years.. .was arranged, that people will simply be intimidated, and why does the military need to carry out a coup, then, so they came to power and in order to get

their hands on power, since the military, the military, well, of course, the military, they carry out the orders of politicians, let’s say, we repeatedly we heard, and there was confirmation of this, that there was a dispute between zaluzhny and zelsky about bakhmut, now about avdiivka, that is , the military understands that we have a front line, we need it. and if you imagine maxim anatolyevich that, conditionally, in 2 months the military in ukraine

they took power, i understand that it could be a five, maybe seven, maybe a fifteen percent probability, but now it’s just a reality that appears from somewhere over the horizon until it seems like these military authorities are taking it, they and i , we, i mean russia, will be able to talk, or it will be the same story as with the terrorist zelensky, because there is obviously nothing to talk about with the terrorists zelensky, i’m just still holding on. he addressed specifically the ukrainian military , let’s start with such a thing that i absolutely rule out the possibility that the military will take power and even try to take power, because at this moment the support of the west will cease, but i love hypothetical questions, if the military in ukraine came to power, it is always easier to negotiate with the military than with politicians, besotted with their ideology, and afraid of panic - these same militant westerners that vasil speaks of, who are terrified of the militants of the second maidan,

why am i saying this, because one brilliant ukrainian political scientist once said when he was asked the question whether it is possible victorious third maidan, he said: no, he would be nipped in the bud by the militants of the second maidan, but the military would not be afraid of anything, and theoretically, someday this would be a real ideal option, well, i can’t imagine how it could technically look, because that again, last time i said i repeat this thought, the maidan, by definition in ukraine, can only be anti-russian, national liberator, anti-imperial, whatever you want to call it, everything else is not the maidan, it is seething, don’t expect any movements don’t cling to this word, they told you something perfectly in russian, but i can imagine a new anti-russian maidan, yes, because it can be connected precisely by the

fact that, for example, all forces will be exhausted, and in ukraine, ukraine, hypothetically , will have to sign somehow a peace agreement with russia, then this could cause just an anti-russian maidan , yes, i agree, we will act, that is, it should be directed against those, yes, the fact is that in the fifteenth year i just saw in kiev, in the center of kiev, as governed by sectors, which is banned in russia, an extremist organization and so on protested against - how is this then, how does this then correlate with sociology, that the ukrainian population is tired of war, we don’t believe this sociological 40% are tired of war, and the maidan has nothing to do with sociology, andrey vladimir, you understand that this can happen on its own without any sociology. they’re fighting at the front now, it’s unlikely that they’ve become a survivor of the war, right? bogdan anatelevich, the fact that you are saying something, it can simply serve as some kind of imitation of folk

unrest, which can be used, well, as a sign or as a reason by both the military and other forces, and in order to replace one politician with another, and why he will be changed is another question, he can be changed in order in order to conclude some agreements with him within the framework of a freeze, or maybe they will change him so that he continues the war, but at the same time release, channel discontent , this is the fatigue of the population, and i think that, generally speaking, myself a coup in itself does not represent any value if it cannot be converted into real , legal, legitimate power, for us there is value or in general, if it cannot be converted into legal legitimate power, it does not represent value, it is easy to implement, but it is absolutely, absolutely of no interest to anyone, who can do this, convert into legitimate power only... without their consent, no one will go for a coup d'etat, be it military or any other, of course, therefore only on the initiative of the united embassy

states of america, maidan may take place in ukraine. could he be in the situation we are in? of course it can, of course it can, this is a very convenient way on behalf of the people to blame for the failure of the counter-offensive, the defeat and failure of the whole project ukraine, anti-russia, in the name of the people, will blame the corrupt, label these culprits, then what next, and then there will be new people, and then there will be no, wait, new people, what will they do, they will continue in of course, they will continue, they will continue implement the policy of the west with the new hope of the ukrainians, so that these work poorly, new hopes for 2034 , please note, zelsky is always trying to criticize the west for insufficient supplies of weapons, this means, this is an attempt to abdicate responsibility and shift it to the

west, but the west will not allow this and if necessary, it will hold a maidan. after a few minutes we will talk in detail about how you can practically carry out a coup d’état without any maidans and generally out of the blue, it would seem like a short pause, we will return to the air, well, this city, it is like a place of power for me, and i am with this city, as if forever, for the anniversary of vladimir moshkov, here there were many, many inscriptions, they were painted over. it’s similar, how can you not love theater in a theater like this? how are you doing, good, black raven, you know everything about black raven, failure of generations, come on, this is unbearable for a feeling person,

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fine on saturday, and the city palace of culture, we we meet you at 6 pm, in saratov there are nine tickets left for the stalls, but there is also an amphitheater and a balcony, also at 6 pm a folk art center, that’s everything else, otherwise now trushkin will eat me, already go to the website and all the information is there , now we have several news of this ideological nature, perhaps, perhaps, we will also develop this later into some larger topic, well, we can try, yes, let's start with the morning statement of the head of the investigative committee, alexander bostrykin spoke at the conference, which dedicated to the thirtieth anniversary of our constitution and stated that our main law needs to be improved and gave another example of china, where the course of the country’s development is prescribed for many years to come, and bastrykin was understood to mean that he proposes that the country should have an official ideology, i think that the work on our constitutions should also not be continued, of course, it should be successful, but

to go along the path of the stage of prospects for our development, without consolidating these prospects, it seems to me, is simply to be dismissed as not having any ideology there will be no state, now the constitution says that russia recognizes ideological diversity and no ideology can be mandatory or state, journalists, posushavkina turned to dmitry peskov, let us listen to how the kremlin comments on all this, there is no position, this a fairly new statement, an opinion that is certainly a very... authoritative person, but there is no special position on this matter, you know that the president did not have any statements, no decisions on this account, so apart from this i have nothing to say, we are talking about a point of view

, and also today it became known that the zamoskvarets court in moscow refused to satisfy the claim of the ex-editor-in-chief of novaya gazeta, foreign agent dmitry muratov, he actually went to court to try to get this foreign agent status for himself film, how did this all happen? at the court hearing, nobel laureate muratov expressed the following position. he noted that as a journalist he disseminates information and quotes materials from agents, and this is not prohibited by law. but according to him the russian constitution prohibits censorship, so the decision to recognize him as a foreign agent is contrary to the constitution. in response, a representative of the ministry of justice stated that muratov gave interviews to foreign publications from unfriendly countries, including latvia, britain, and ukraine. and this excludes the fact that murat. could disseminate information from russia in a positive or neutral light and it is he who automatically falls under foreign influence; muratov was denied exclusion from the register of foreign agents. so, this is about us,

andrey vladimirovich, and now we can, well let's say, not only about us, but also about them, well, yes, in fact, we said that we would talk in more detail about those events that have already been mentioned, the new argentine president, who we showed you yesterday with a chainsaw in his hands , in my opinion, what happened in argentina was, well, well, maybe not a coup d’état, but some kind of shift, very, very, very serious. in my childhood they said phase shift, phase shift, it’s not just you, gegor valerievich says, it’s hard, you know, to somehow disagree with this, although on the other hand it turns out that this is a phase shift in the entire argentine society, how could such a person be chosen, now we will show you the plot, then i will tell you the latest news immediately after this plot, which seems to me to confirm that mr. mirzayan is right in argentina

, javier miley was until recently known primarily as an economic expert on television. his political career began just a few years ago, when he led the libertarian party and became the deputy of buenos aires. miley harshly criticized the authorities for the economic crisis, insulted competitors during the election race. listen to me, livadsky, i saw your state, where i saw your state, at your mother’s. i even saw him. this is not the first time that populists have found themselves at the helm of argentina. in the middle of the last century, professional military man juan peron came to power there. he promised to solve the problem of inequality and give ordinary workers a full life. after becoming president, peron carried out total nationalization. this led to uncontrolled inflation to cope with then the authorities began to print money and everything became even worse. argentine workers will become full participants in the distribution of assets. this will allow us. to ensure

the perfect balance to create an economy of abundance where every argentine can realize himself. as a result of the perodn era, the country is still unraveling. and so, in the hope of correcting the situation, the argentines again choose populists, now nicer, who simply throw out beautiful slogans, but essentially do not have a clear program on how to lead the country out of the crisis. everything that miley offers - this is to abolish the central bank and part of the ministries, switch from the national currency of the pes to american ones. during the years when industry was given over to private hands, miley was nicknamed the economist with a chainsaw for his radical ideas, especially since he actively exploited this image at rallies. my favorite is a fan of comics that describe a fairyland where people are happy and don’t pay taxes. he dreams of doing something similar in argentine, he sees himself as the ruler of this country, dresses up in a

superhero costume from this comic book, miley’s family no, he lives with his sister karina, who is his political adviser and builds a strategy using tarot cards. he calls four dogs his children, he cloned them for $50,000, all four are exact copies... a pet that died 6 years ago, miley named the dogs after famous american economists, this is logical, because the new president of argentina admits that he does not like the policy of the brix countries, russia, china and brazil, is to make the united states and israel his main allies. so, well, the news that actually appeared at the time of preparing today’s scenario: from the headquarters of, let’s say, the elected

president of argentina, it came, i don’t know, either from his sister, or from his dogs, which means that javieramili’s headquarters is saying one one of the first decisions of the new president of argentina after the inauguration ceremony will be the recognition of the independence and state sovereignty of taiwan, which was required, so georg valerievich was the first to start, what is this, explain no, look, this is again. not some an accident, not some kind of excess, this happens in many countries of the world that are experiencing a total, total hopeless, phase shift, it happens when people understand that there are no normal, any real, tangible ways out of that crisis in which they find themselves, they begin to choose some kind of freak who offers super-fast, super-easy solutions outside the limits of some systemic policy, you already said there the transfer of pesos, the abandonment of pesos in favor of the dollar, and so on, argentina. so that you

understood, a country with one hundred percent inflation and a country where 40% of the population lives below the poverty line, and this has been happening for many years under the rule of those policies that even left argentina still considers systemic, so they elect the freak who proposes, then you you want to say that this population is not only largely poor, but to a large extent, to a large extent, very smart, because when you look at this person, of course you can laugh at the tv, but come to you. go put your head here a tick for him because he will take you somewhere in 100 days or 300 days , it’s probably strange, you say, you speak like a russian who lives in russian reality understands that this is a phase shift, but if you pashinyan, well, approximately according to the same scheme, because at that moment in armenia, after all, he did not run around with a saw and

did not show all this, and just a second, this will be repeated everywhere where there are no systemic ones. nikolai igorich tried, i care about nikolai and, no, i remind you, ninety-third year, russian federation, where the first place is occupied by, well, approximately, excuse me, a similar game, but do you really think that zharinovsky was different from this one, well, he was different, excuse me, you know, this should be weighed in the pharmacy, how different it was, it wasn’t particularly different , let’s be honest, but the problems you ’re talking about are correct, because only in our country inflation was 26 times higher than it is now in argentina. after all, although the ldpr won the parliamentary elections, he did not become the president of the country in general and look, well let’s say he became the vice-speaker of the state duma, nevertheless

, there was no direct beginning of the country following the path of the ldpr, they say about my dear that he too, so someone here, in my opinion, told me yesterday... and dad congratulated him, so from this they seem to draw different conclusions, well, on the one hand, they say that dad shows true humility, as befits a christian, on the other hand, they say that this one is better now, he is absolutely not obliged to continue in the same way spirit, he will not continue this, of course he will calm down. given that he does not have a majority in parliament, of course, all this will not be so, it is true, the rise of populists to power is indeed very risky in such critical situations, but we must understand that this is not a problem for argentina, this is a problem now for the whole world

, you tell me, nevertheless, well, i don’t really understand how it’s possible for such a person, i don’t understand either , but this happens everywhere, everywhere, this is the real democracy that many democrats dream of, this is its real face at twenty year of the 21st century, it’s like this, please, gentlemen democrats or comrade

democrats, enjoy, as they say, this is what you have been dreaming about all these years or even centuries, populism comes from democracy, and isn’t that what populism is? this is part of democracy, this is part of the competitive process in an authoritarian society or a dictatorial one, probably , somehow there aren’t really any populists, populists in a dictatorial society, but you can find a dictator without being populist, what’s wrong with you today, some- then i added salt to the thesis that populism and dictatorship are incompatible, listen, the same uga chavis was certainly a populist, but he also has authoritarian and authoritarian tendencies. i formulated it incorrectly, probably because you clearly didn’t understand me, i mean that if an authoritarian society is led by someone over there, like huga chavis or the duce, they somehow allowed and nurtured other

populists, or what? no, of course, listen, if let's look, it was said here that this is an example of democracy, but i saw, and galtieri, in argentina in the sixties, seventies, early tens, it was, wait, it was a product of democracy, no, and the argentines remember what it led to, products of dictatorship, thousands of people missing, children who were taken from their families and given to families , catholic officers forbade parents to know where their children were taken, they never again, many of them their children we didn’t meet when planes and helicopters loaded people and simply dumped them in the ocean, this is... democracy, no, you know, i was in argentina 15 years ago in december 2008, and there at that time there was another president, cristina kershner, and there was economic crisis, has passed... 15 years another president, alberto fernando, now there is also an economic

crisis, it was rightly said here, 100%, there is even more, 100-140%, inflation, mass unemployment, people are tired, when they look at this person , who seems to us, perhaps very , well, to put it mildly, very unconventional, quite right, an eccentric, extravagant politician, they look at his life story, and what is he talking about, it was about him. sister, born into a very simple working-class family, very cruel his parents beat him, he cursed them, this sister, who is now his chief of staff or is she an adviser there, is the only one who, in general, supports him, she and his grandmother, they raised him, i in general, i in general, i read that his relationship with his sister goes beyond the wounds, it’s just pr propaganda, failed pr of his opponents, i don’t defend him at all, his ideas that he expresses, okay, recognition of taiwan’s independence for argentina, will it bring any

positive moments of goodness in the decision economic crisis, i said very briefly, very briefly about its foreign policy, how russia feels about it, it seems to me that the russian view of this is important here and how it is beneficial, what is beneficial and what is not beneficial for russia, i would remind someone else, the so-called tropical trump, now former, balsanar in brazil, who also spoke out very vehemently against china. he criticized russia and so on, but when he became president, he continued this criticism, but some very sharp movements, brazil i didn’t leave brix, why didn’t i? it is beneficial, beneficial for brazil to be in brix, could it be that miley will take argentina out of some structures where russia is located, it may be so, but it is important for russia, in my opinion, in moscow it is important, no, to look at it from scratch sheet, start a relationship with him, try.

try to return back to democracy, because we said it and didn’t say it. if mr. miley is a product of democracy and we somehow all understand that he is probably the leader of the state, this is somehow not very good, right? then maybe, sergei vyacheslavich, not every people is ready for such democracy , not every people is ready to see that the person who promises you... he also needs to be shaved and combed , two theses were voiced here, with which i fundamentally disagree, the first is the fact that populism and democracy are the same or different, i said that there is democracy, and one is one of the cubes that stand - here, in my opinion, not so, but how? but the fact is that democracy. these are, first of all , certain institutions that provide society with

a management system built on checks and balances, and populism is a direct appeal to the people, that structure or person, most likely and most often, having received good supposedly from the people, as from god, he should no longer take anything into account, and hence this leads to my second disagreement with the thesis that was voiced... here, that dictator populism is incompatible, only a dictator is compatible with populism and nothing else, because this is a system of retaining power, note that there are two populisms, populism of seizing power, and that’s how you know , decent clothes on a person, regardless of his political color, well, it’s indecent to say that the people are bad, someone here just said that he’s a fool or not,

you know, that’s why there isn’t a single party that, well, let’s say, doesn’t put forward populist slogans , of course, can pop up on populist slogans in an unstable poor society; as for governance, it is clear that we cannot allow achlocracy, because achlocracy. people in its pure form, even the greeks understood this, it cannot co-organize some kind of positive message, the mass of the people have so many opinions, emotions, desires that uniting them under one idea is possible only in a critical situation, well , an external enemy attacked, the danger of the homeland, then everything is forgotten, it unites, but when it is peaceful existence, then there is nothing like it to combine. in general, i understand then from the fact that you explain everything to me, let’s, probably, denis eduardovich now, in

conditions of prosperity of some kind of democratic processes. and a certain populist appears who, using the situation, probably not a very good one, primarily economic and social, soars to the heights of power, after which he must do everything so that this country turns into a dictatorship, because he is not interested in another one like that appearing a populist and threw him out of this chair, one way or another, well, of course not like that , because, because firstly, he can fly to the heights of power there, grow up and stop being an eccentric, well, how would he, he was like that in his youth so eccentric, we will consider, that the elections are his youth, and when he became president, he was young, i needed money, but he grew up, became a conservative , suddenly shoved it somewhere far away, this magic wand, this is one story, another story, much more important, that’s when they say that the people are children and cannot remove

power, let’s say we agree with this, tell me, when the people grow up, firstly, who will decide that? because generations change and the generation of voters changes , the most important thing is purely technical, if elections are bad and it is necessary to appoint power in the broad sense of the word, no matter what kind of power, who will do it? that’s who, if we rewind to the end of this chain, i’m purely technically managerial, that’s who the person will be who will appoint these electors, who will then choose this ideal president or ideal parliament, you know, we run into the fact that someone initially, we need to choose a system of checks for these people, we will get to the electoral system, but it seems to me that it will take another 20 minutes, now konstantin aleksandrovich, after a pause, you will join us in battle, on ntv your favorite show, superstar, the topic

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really being in a poor state, some mountains of gold and quite quickly, or speculating on their darkest feelings, came to power in an absolutely legitimate, legal way and became dictators, whom history will remember for many years and decades. one of the bloodiest... dictators in the history of mankind , adolf hitler , was appointed chancellor of germany on absolutely legal grounds in january 1933. after this, his party quickly crushed other rightists, and the leftists were banned altogether, after which he began to eliminate with the help of terror arrests. and after the death of president hindenburg, hitler proclaimed himself fuhrer and set a course for the racial cleansing of the reich and world domination. they let us into such a square room, the warden let us in. the gas watched as people died, and that smoke came from the crematorium chimney day and night, millions of people burned in the camps,

went on a rampage, another dictator, and also a bloody one, came to power in a legal way, this is the former leader of haiti, francois duvalier. he was elected president in 1957, after which he ruled until death itself. duvalier took advantage of the fact that the illiterate population was extremely superstitious and promoted the cult of wood magic. his army was allegedly led by sorcerers, and he called himself the leader of the dead. under duvalier, a whole system of prisons and camps appeared where dissenters were tortured and executed, and at that time the president’s family was actively emptying the state treasury. local people were required to donate blood for sale. about 5,000 liters were transported to the usa every month. during the 14 years that duvalier spent in power, more people died in the country 50,000 people. he quickly became a dictator and realized that the only way to show power was to be absolutely ruthless. in 1980 , robert mugabe won the first democratic elections in zimbabwe and became prime minister. later, after the departure

of the then president, mugabe changed the constitution, abolishing the post of prime minister and taking over the presidential chair. the new president concentrated all power in his hands, controlled the army, had the right to dissolve parliament and be elected an unlimited number of times. his family owned untold riches, while most of the population frankly. was hungry. the mugabs were accused of brutal suppression of the opposition and discrimination against the white population. the western press dubbed him a white-killing tyrant. those who were offended by my victory in the elections. they can go commit suicide if they want to, if they die, even dogs will not eat their flesh. konstantin alexander , everything seems to be legitimate, yes, but what comes to power, in the case of hitler, is an absolute monster, in the case of the others, there may be somewhere is discussed, but the colors are also quite dark, but they just had fewer possibilities. was there a chance to somehow prevent all this, because well, it’s clear that people

use approximately the same schemes. look, we’re just talking about populism, indeed hitler was a populist, and that’s all, that’s who they showed, not everyone was populists, there were other populists who said land to the peasants, peace to the peoples, bread for the hungry, they were also populists and also not very good, as it would have been when they came to power, but populism, when they say, populism is democracy, populism is dictatorship, no , populism is a political move, it is an appeal to the people who... let's say, are fed up, that is, when the political elite has long become, well, let's say , very stable, it actually does not react to the opinion of the people, but it itself lives in its own world, everything has already been created, parties have existed for a long time, these populists appear who oppose this elite and receive the support of the people, hitler did it, he came, he came legal, yes, legal, legitimate, no,

illegitimate, he was appointed by hindenburg. the prime minister, had the right, had the right, but not because he received the majority of votes, yes, accordingly, now the chancellor of germany can become a person who is not in the lead, there is simply a coalition, a coalition, but there was no coalition, there he received not like in the big one, as the presidential cabinet was formed, it was hitler, hindenburg could not have appointed, he could have, further, but he could have appointed, all the same, anyway. falsified, that is, everything was everywhere, populism is a method of getting support, that’s what’s happening now in argentina, and after a person comes to power, everyone says he’s a populist, so he can be a populist, as in the method of coming to power, but why not then, he maybe then

not be a populist, why then? they are always there, it’s very, and it’s simple and profitable, it’s very convenient when we say, well, in different countries, almost everywhere they are, in germany, the green ones, who they are, and what they don’t influence germany today, well, no, well, populists are absolutely an atlantic dictate, on is entirely bureaucratic, takes a populist policy, but just when we talk to a person and show he is... a populist, this does not mean that this is not his political position, this is not a social democrat, this is not a conservative, this is not christian, this is a strategy, accordingly, we can say that this person is using this strategy not only not just not just not in order to come to power, maybe he may just say everything, there may be nothing to stand behind this, but populism has always always been fine,

i don’t argue with this, but it still seems to me that well, populism as a way of achieving power, coming to power, techniques, techniques, if we understand populism as retention, indulging in general any desires of the voter, in essence it turns out that this deception, because there is nothing behind this indulgence, so i will say what you want to hear, absolutely, i will deceive you, that is, it turns out that anyone. he is a deceiver, he cannot be the politician who will bring something to the country, this is the most important thing, the most important thing, does this question remain, the main one, does a person remain a populist, that is, does he begin to carry on further after it is clear at the election level that this is a person who will enter the presidential office and become a decent person, or is this necessary? try

to stop. before the elections happened , the procedure, you agreed in the end with whom, this can only be a democratic procedure, honor the institutions, because the only, because the only democratic institutions, let's say, the united states has survived trump's populist, that the state , in the apple party, there are populists, well, probably there are, they are everywhere, and that's why you need them, because people are different, because no, the program 500 times. no, in my opinion, sergei sergeevichin is a classic populist , as soon as he comes somewhere, as soon as he starts talking , your attitude, in any, in any group, open, living, normal group of people there is always populism, the question is that in any group there is a system of checks and

balances that does not allow this populist to warm up, your apple populists, they are like there would be, but they will never come, changes. some schemes so that you have people in your party, you know that they are populists , what do they mean, it turns out that in our category they are deceivers, yes, but you will still keep them, because you are open, because you are open, because that otherwise, it will be a closed organization that will cut off people, because people are different, that’s not the question, why do you need deceivers in a political party, do you know that they are deceivers? no, no, andrey ladnovich, you already

further, you already yes, and then you mix it up further, the question is that this is a deceiver whom you named, they came and can realize themselves, and if a person speaks out. some of his own ideas that he won’t be able to implement, but let him express them, what’s so terrible about that? you are mixing up a collective that does not allow any populist ideas to develop, not a single specific person, but if we can still essentially say that the new people have populists, well, for sure, but i don’t know, i will answer this way, here clever man, listen, well, no, first of all, i really don’t know who is a populist, of the state duma deputies i know, deputies of regional parliaments, i haven’t seen bright populists, that is, not all bright ones are like that, no, i haven’t seen populists,

let’s just say, we didn’t see any populists in the state duma at all, i’m not, the state duma is full of populists, but if we talk about the party of new people, i don’t see any populists there, well, like sordanov ksentieva, who specifically adopted a populist law allowing the killing of dogs, sorry, this is bright example, here's what concerns dogs, how excited nikolai igorevich was when noting the populists of someone else’s party and how shy he was when it came to the populists in his , pay attention, so come on, victor, listen, well, let’s already forget the place where you wanted to enter into the discussion. you see, politicians are forced to tell lies because voters want to hear them, imagine a politician in any, from any party , in any country, in any society, of any inclination and of any ideological orientation, who will say, it’s hard,

it will be hard further, there’s no money , that's all will only repeat this thesis, there is no money, but you hold on, you can imagine what level of support there will be, anywhere, for such a politician... i’ll ban you to hell now, you ’re just now as quiet as a berzayan says, tsits, don’t force me to do this, here in this example, he did not tell dmitry anatavich what people wanted to hear, he told them the truth, there is no money. so that's why he's no longer president, that's why he's no longer elected, you know, that's the thing, things like that, if he constantly, when he was

president, when dmitry anvedev was president, he promised a lot of things, fulfilled some, didn’t do some, no one manages to fulfill everything, you are generalizing, not every promise is populism, we need to stop, yes, yes, we need take a break, and now we're going to, okay, that's it, let's take some time. in a few minutes we will continue, it begins , who are you anyway, a man, god's punishment, although in our mundane circles there is a name dearer to my heart, criminal investigation, we'll go to prison, he has a peculiar humor, break tyson, or do you want a hole for the ulema’s earring, dashingly, you know, i know how to convince people, i was sick. new season, i’ll hire anka with a big machine gun, i’ll grow pants with red stripes, the criminals won’t be in trouble, tomorrow 20:00 on ntv. ambulance finale today at 20:00 on ntv. many

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is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear, what we now propose to discuss further, it means that if the first thesis, yes, populism as a method of coming to power, in general... still deceiving voters , yes, now we’re not talking about the fact that all politicians are trying to charm voters in one way or another, first, second, i don’t remember who said, van, po- in my opinion, you, that a person who is not very educated votes for a populist, yes, whatever, and the third thesis was about, well, this kind of line, and restraint, so that these populists don’t really somehow push somewhere, because what really exists in this democratic institution... in different countries, different ways to completely cut off

some, you know, degenerate politicians so that they cannot win elections. what kind of method is this? in the united states, elections are held using a mixed system. first there is a direct general election where the electors of the states vote, and then the electoral college comes into play. the election is won by the candidate who receives more than half of the electoral votes from different states. there have been cases when a president was elected after losing the popular vote but receiving electoral support, such as in 2000, george bush jr. took over al gore in 2016. clinton just called me. she congratulated us all on our victory. another possible option to protect the electoral system is the property price. in the 19th century, this

practice was common in many countries, but now it is extremely rare; they cannot do this in elections to the british parliament. citizens declared bankrupt could vote; in tsarist russia, working peasants and women had no right to vote at all; everything changed in the 1917 revolution . now i only look at my happiness, i look and believe, maybe my word will end up in the law, they raised us here, here’s my name, to this, to the podium. party and our soviet government, in some countries they can be deprived of the right to vote as a punishment, for example in mexico they can be removed from voting for an unworthy lifestyle, drunkenness, drug addiction or vagrancy, and in many countries, including russia, they can vote in elections

prisoners have no rights. nevertheless, through all these strainers, some kind of populist spirit still seeps through. can't help but leak out well, for example, a representative of the new people party says: we don’t have populists , this means that everyone who comes out to people says, i don’t care about you, in general i don’t need your happiness for nothing, why are they, on the contrary, honest and decent , they don’t deceive, they say, now we live badly, and then we will live even worse, it’s easy and pleasant to tell the truth, it’s easy and pleasant to tell the truth, we all know this, and... populism is an indispensable element of the political system, especially in the system in elections, and then there is a criterion, how to separate democracy itself from populism itself, no, wait, it was said today that a person is a populist, he goes, goes, goes, he came to his

elected position, threw off this mask and became completely adequate, but we voters have to guess that this person is normal. here we have criteria both at the first stage and at the second, they are close to these criteria, a person who came to power on the wave of populism should not destroy the opposing blocs of power, so if he promised it, and as he had, promising does not mean marry, he promises to burn down the central bank, and abolish a number of ministries, and for each, for each woman, a man, and easily? yes, who said, the leader of which party? he always, even in ninety-three, had some kind of, well, roughly speaking, barrier that he didn’t go through, and this is just an apt slovtsovka, in ninety-three he too, i remember this broadcast, which was then stopped when he walked along in the hall and pointed all his fingers and said who he would hang first, who he would hang second,

i can say this, while pumping up the party members in 1993, he talked about this, never about this or that. don’t say anything, look, if a current politician says: you live badly and will live worse, it’s not that he’s not a populist, he’s just a fool and he shouldn’t be elected, because if you can’t make life better, why the authorities need you, you have to say that you can, if the politician is not a populist, he’s just a second, you see, he can just as well say that i want to do this, but he must say it in an acceptable, beautiful language for each segment of voters , there is one a wonderful film, in my opinion it’s all about the royal cause, how to solve this problem, what filters to put in place so that this populism doesn’t cross over, you said there was a property price, why? because i believed that only owners who have property, people

have the responsibility to choose, they will choose normal people, because their property depends on their choices, now it’s kind of my personal opinion, yes or no. a supporter of elitist democracy, when in order to choose a person must have knowledge, pass appropriate test for knowledge of the political system of the budgetary structure, like a driving test? what is it, but at the same time i also understand that my system, any other system of elite democracy, has one very serious drawback that will not allow it to be realized, what is democracy? this is not when you choose your leader, but when you have the illusion that you choose him, when every person, every russian, regardless of his income, money, gender, and so on, has an opinion inside that he takes part in the process of electing a president, i don’t know, a prime minister , depending on which country, in this situation this person becomes more loyal to the current government, he understands that this is his

power, he applies it, he understands that it is his, this is my responsibility, this is my responsibility, my appointment was always better than in this senseocracy, if you believe that you elected this person, you are less inclined to maidans and that about some kind of filter that could still be installed, he it seems to me that it will greatly reduce the number of voters, points of view here to argue, probably, because there is different populism , there is this kind of rabid default populism , which is launched like a torpedo in order to get from a certain country in a short distance, well , to realize some goals, yes, what is maisandu doing now with moldova, what will this rabid javier do, most likely with argentina and so on, there is populism , which is perfectly controlled by the system and which would seem to be part of it, well , let’s take the same united states of america, it doesn’t matter at all who becomes president, will it be a mentally retarded transgender, will it be... will it be some sam brinton or just a guy on the street who passed by, they have a deep state, a so-called deep state, which one way or another will not allow this to go beyond the limits

it doesn’t matter at all to president frick, whether he has dementia and so on, that is, they have functioning institutions, they have this , wait, this is how to calculate what limits, biden, from our point of view , has not gone beyond any limits, so nevertheless, but nevertheless however, this is where the deep state stands, it will cement this situation under it and create it. well, such stability, actually hierarchical, so this is different , but if we take argentina, then in argentina there is no such depate, so this javier, coming to power, can break such wood, such bloody bonfires can actually happen, a really weak state with a huge inflation, victor, we have another pause, the last one in today’s program, and we’ll sum it up and try to do it. a pensioner became a mother for the first time

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is free. on ntv , the meeting place, is it possible to completely get away from populism in politics, viktor zhazovch, any politician in any system, one way or another depends on, among other things, popular opinion people's support, people often want to hear impossible promises, so one way or another politicians will make impossible promises. promises in one form or another, populism will always be there, takgey vyacheslavovich, yes, it is possible, it depends on three things, firstly, on the political maturity of society, and there are such examples, for example, in the benelux countries, especially the netherlands, and this depends on sustainability democratic institutions, but if there is, for example, a supreme court, then it exists regardless of the next elections, and this to

a certain extent depends on as far as society is structured by parties, an individual freak can grind anything he wants, i don’t want to name it, i can’t show it to myself, i apologize, well, yes, i didn’t mean that, but be it ivanov, petrov, sidorov, if he in the structure of a party with a program, then the program lives longer than one, you know, andrei vladimirovich, if for a politician there is nothing more important than... to get to power himself, to take some place at some level, then he will do anything and there will be populism, for example, you won’t force me to speak and advocate that i myself do not support what i do not want our country to strive for, because it is more important for me that the side changes than for me to take some place, well, konstantin populism, populism will naturally always be in politics, especially in parliamentary

democracy, but the main thing is that this populism has not outgrown a certain level, because when it outgrows a certain level, it means the politician is not striving for power, but is striving for it, and if he breaks through to power, then it will end in a dictatorship, he or he himself will become a dictator, or the army will restore order and overthrow him, as it happened with everyone, as it happened with all the populists, vladimirov was remembered today, i remember, after some meeting in the state duma, where he spoke something sharp from the podium, he came out like this, and here i am, that means there’s something there, and he also started to tell me with the same passion in the same expressions that from the rostrum, i then, or maybe somehow like this. collect all this, it’s him, he knew how to turn it off, right at the snap of his fingers, this actually cancels, distinguishes, excuse me, a responsible politician from populistivich said, well, today i’m talking about a chainsaw, this is probably the most famous

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