today on our program: the european union is moving in the wrong direction. frostbitten finns. the authorities of the neighboring country are preparing to demolish the russian consulate and expropriate our property. what hot finnish guys get up to. finland is able to cope on its own, connected by one chain. the european parliament revokes veta's right to a general eu decision. will brussels be able to suppress the voice of dissenting countries within the union? the right of weta was the only weapon against the big bullies. and a terrible secret: kyiv regime celebrates the ninetieth anniversary of the holodomor, but for some reason is silent about how stalin carried out the ukranization of maloros at an accelerated pace. ukrainian radyansk, socialist republic. watch it now.

hello, this is the meeting place at ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. i'm andrey norkin, my colleague ivan trushkin, we 're working live. announcement, you just saw ours and heard it, well, in short, to say that today we want to talk again about the neighbors who surround us in europe, about their relationships. with us about their relationship with each other, a little information has accumulated there, unfortunately, mostly negative, as you heard, but the content of some good neighborly relations does not work out, but first we will do this, in the news i will introduce you to the information that we have now there is something about a natural disaster that hit a number of federal subjects over the weekend, well, in general, yesterday was still left, and then vanya will go right away, we have about these neighbors, in general, expect that the peak of this one

this bad weather, it has passed, so far, in general, it turns out that no, here in moscow, in the moscow region, there is some kind of pause, and the ministry of emergency situations, i will now give you exactly the information, that means 15 regions of the country, this is today’s warning, on the second half of the day, stormy winds are possible at night, because of this there are problems with energy supply, and of course with traffic, if we talk separately about damage by region, there are still no figures for material damage, not calculated, but obviously that crimea suffered the most, it’s true that the authorities of the peninsula have already reported that all the necessary federal assistance has been received, so the elimination of these consequences is already underway, sergei aksionov, the head of crimea, today, let’s see, he said this morning that - 93,000 residents are still...

left without electricity, well, there was much more, there were almost half a million people there. operational services have restored work at the third de-energized boiler houses, more than 50 of them are operating as usual. the storm caused water supply problems for more than than in 200 crimean villages. a state of emergency has been introduced on the territory of ten municipalities in crimea, and today the kerch poromnaya crossing has already resumed operation. so, and this is the krasnodar region, this is... a piece of the topsoe adler railway , as i understand it, it’s somewhere in the lazarevsky area, there were the biggest problems, traffic in one of the directions, after the erosion of the tracks it was already possible launched the day before, a total of 995 people were evacuated from the flood zone, including 179 children, well, unfortunately, if we talk about victims, then in the crimea in the kuban, four people died, more than twenty were injured, but now, as promised to the neighbors, here we are transported to finland, where anti-russian

attacks are becoming more and more creative. so the authorities of the city of turku decided to demolish the building where the russian consulate was previously located. it stopped working by decision of the finnish authorities on september 30, and the very next day the lease agreement for the building was terminated. now the local municipality has unanimously decided to buy this premises from the owner in order demolish it and then build something new in its place. according to the finnish publication illy. decided to make the purchase as soon as possible, so as not to wait for possible appeals to be considered. well, the same publication, or, by the way, this is a state publication, says that the new package of eu sanctions will allow the confiscation of property located in finland from russians, and they cite as an example what else could be acquired, for example, one of the largest leases in europe , the largest rental in helsinki, it is called the helsinki stake stadium, where the main owners are arkady and boris rotenberg and gennady timchenko, this is a russian business.

which are already under european sanctions. according to the publication, the new sanctions package may include the possibility, as an exception, to sell these frozen assets of russians. that is, this opens up the possibility of confiscating and then putting this stadium up for auction, the decision should be made in december, and it is interesting that helsinki hall stopped working last spring, and now the finnish press writes that he causes cultural damage to the country. the publication clarifies that, to begin with, the owners themselves will be offered to somehow sell this stadium, but in the event of a deal they most likely will not see the money, why, because, again, they are under european sanctions, well, on the border of finland and in the meantime the forces of the european agency are staying border and coast guard, abbreviated as frontex. helsinki requested such assistance because of this alleged migrant crisis on the russian-finnish border, because which, as you remember, we told you, from november 24, the finns decided to close all

checkpoints on the border with russia, except for one, the northernmost one, which is very difficult to reach, there will be 50 of these frontex soldiers, these are european border guards, nato decided to separately clarify that they have nothing to do with them, with nato forces, that this is a separate unit, well, they hint that moscow has nothing to worry about, finland did not turn to nato for help for strengthening the border, i am sure finland is able to cope with this situation on its own, border control is something that is within the competence of the national authorities, such is the finnish vanguard in the fight against us, i don’t really understand where it comes from. to tell you, i have an idea, since alexandrich, of all those present , today in the studio on the shores of the baltic sea probably lived more, maybe than all of us put together, maybe somehow this mentality of the finnish neighbors is more understandable to you, than to us, what’s going on, where does this come from?

the race has begun, where, you know, is to engage in nationalization, a thankless task, because there will be 100 opinions , everyone has the right to exist, but we had a joke that norwegians are mountain latvians, so, and finns are these are estonians who are beyond the gulf of finland, so when we talk about hot estonian guys, that’s all we think about this, it all applies to finns, but there are, in communities, at least it is generally accepted, that the finno-ugric peoples in scandinavia are evil, but what if they are evil, then they should always be evil, but here they were kind of, not in the very vanguard, so to speak, but now they have crawled forward, for which culture exists, in order to restrain disgusting instincts in us, but when this culture is abolished,

then all these instincts come out, and if they also give you pendol, let’s bark, they start barking, a trend is created, and there are no restraining mechanisms, oh, that’s why it will continue, listen, well, in defense of the finno-ugric peoples, they are on the territory of the russian federation i think seven or eight, so i wouldn’t say that i specifically said the evil finno-ugric in scandinavian, well, it seems to me, and even more so the hungarians are kind, look at these things, maxim anatovich, please, now is a politically correct comment then, well what can we expect from kazakovov, well, he cuts the truth, and you are diplomatic. i don’t agree with the fact that we are talking about peoples in general, because we are talking about

finland specifically, what other finugor peoples besides, i’ll just hit you in the head now and he said or something, don’t awaken me, as for the finns, but i will remember the story that my grandmother told me, and she survived the war, but absolutely from politics, then we were friends with the finns, the northern war, yes, you mean or not, well, the second world war, because the finns fought here and, in general, she herself was not under occupation there, because. i left moscow from the moscow region to be evacuated to the urals, but i had some girlfriends that i knew, that’s what they told me, i couldn’t think of that, that the finns were the most cruel, why am i trying understand that the finns, yes, that is, i decided not to attack the people, but as my grandmother, maxim anatovich, said, my respect, my

respect, well, i can’t come up with it, i would never, so this has something to do with it, the finns are such a people, they or one extreme. they either have another, after they ideally emerged from the second world war, making peace with the soviet union, declaring war on germany, in general, using. neutrality and part of their territory for normal relations with the ussr, they were an example of pragmatism in the west, you yourself know how events developed there, then, really, we looked at the finns, they are so correct, they are going in this direction, we looked and were happy how they were, we even thought that they were kind, really, because we have a myth that finns are such guys, like in the movie peculiarities of the national people come here, have a drink, have a snack, now

it’s as if after february 24 they turned the switch and the finns could do everything, that is, what they, every finn has deeply, in principle, yes, this one lived in the depths of their souls this is a terrible insult for the aggression of 1939, this is not love, even my... finnish friends suddenly began to actively remember what their grandmothers and grandfathers told them about that first northern war, and well, like this year and now, now this is a new national idea, which, well is there something momentary here, something of some kind of benefit that the finns sensed and which they are now trying to get, i don’t know what, but it feels like maxim, well, stumbler just switched now, not after february twenty-

second year, now, last month, look, there are several versions here, one of them, one of them, i emphasize, just a version, is that the finns decided to follow the baltic path to make money, that is, they have now lost the opportunity to make money from russian tourists, from residents of the leningrad region, who they had meals with them, provided shelter, and so on, but they see how the balts and partly the poles earn money, due to the fact that they are russian and so on, this is a way of earning money, from this point of view, finland, given its geographical location, is that she hangs over st. petersburg, over st. petersburg, the fact that it is next to murmansk, in principle, from finland there will be a much more effective springboard for nato directed against russia than from the baltic states, there it is logistically, in all senses, so, and how much are they on now they can easily make money from this. i don’t see it yet, i don’t yet see the monetary value of the closure , look, if we are talking about the fact that after

the end of its russian nato conflict will continue, nato will strengthen its eastern european borders, it will invest money for new bases, new troops and so on, finland here wants to make money on this, it wants to become an object, it wants to become a place where people's forces will be strengthened, this is a lot of money, so you understand, this is weapons, the re-equipment of the army, this bases, this... but i absolutely do not rule out the possibility that maxim is also partially right, the finns are simply now able to remember all their grievances, here you are repeating now , alexander was the first to say, it’s just from him that they were pushed, it’s just i think that it’s impossible,

this is where everything starts to look not so simple, not so simple, because if the finns, for example, are now among european countries, including. among the eu countries, they are running ahead of everyone else, in this attempt to somehow annoy us, there are european countries that are starting to slow down this process, not because they love us there, respect us, but it’s just pragmatically unprofitable for them now , and these same poles are also among these countries, there are , in addition to poland, slovakia, there are also hungarians, we talked about this many times and said that this situation in the european family, this garden of eden , does not suit the leaders of the european union, in particular we said that

at first there were hints, then consultations, then decisions at the level parliamentary committees, well, actually, revolutions , resolutions of the european parliament, that is, they are trying to get away from one of the fundamental principles, this unanimous decision, when all members of the european union must make and vote equally, that’s what i’m talking about it seems that they have already come to the point that they have, well, i don’t know, but maybe six months before the abolition of this instrument , let’s look at the story last week. the european parliament adopted a resolution proposing to curtail the veta rights of eu member states in 65 key areas of development of the union. this particularly applies to issues of foreign policy, security, border protection, education and the environment. decisions handed down from above from brussels are proposed to be made by a qualified majority of votes, so it will be easier and faster to deal with crises without looking back

to protests in individual countries. parliament speaks. for reforms that will increase the eu's ability to act and strengthen the unity of citizens. parliament meets citizens' expectations for a more effective and democratic european union. nine countries led by germany, belgium and france initiated the abolition of the veto. they are also seeking to reduce the composition of the european commission from 27 to 15 european commissioners, that is, part of the state will lose its representatives in the highest executive body. at the same time , the powers of the commission itself are offered expand it, turning it into something like a single european government, for those eu countries that violate basic values, the rule of law, democracy, freedom, human rights and equality, they propose to simplify the procedure for suspending their rights in the union, and the draft also talks about mandatory introduction of a single euro currency.

there is inequality of nations, some big guys, strong ones with all kinds... there are small countries, they are not doing very well economically and the veto was the only tool and weapons that weaker countries had against the big bullies. for the sake of such changes for the benefit of europe, it is now necessary to redraw the two fundamental treaties of the union: mastricht and lisbon. in fact, we are talking about a new version of the eu treaty. european council. will convene a convention to revise the documents in december, some european members see this as a threat to their own sovereignty, the most dissatisfied are hungary, poland and slovakia, which regularly block decisions of the european commission that are unfavorable for them, especially financing of kyiv from the general treasury. in poland , the persecution of nine traitor meps who voted for

the abolition of the veto has now begun. this will lead to a decision today. under pressure from the most powerful, trying to dictate terms in european union politics, that is, this will be the implementation of the german-french policy, it is significant that this comment, the previous one, where the man stood, said that there is inequality between countries, he too representative of poland, everyone saw the vote and paid attention. i would like to get everything out at once it will become clear, 292 for, how many are against, everything will become clear, you can bring it up again then , well, maximel can comment somehow, ian yanovich, well somehow it really doesn’t look very democratic, some kind of brussels totalitarianism, you know , it always amazes me, you know, there is such a good phrase that for every complex problem

there is one simple and wrong solution, it always amazes me how you manage to lead complex problems to simple ones. and incorrect discussion, but thank god we have you, because you always say that the level of discussion in our country is rather low, you show us an example of how to increase it, in particular , by appealing to the opinion of taxi drivers, i am glad, at least, that i did not have to take part in the russian dispute about which nations are evil, what good ones, generally speaking, they are called colloquially, but let’s still talk about the european union, the european union, the fairy tale will be physics, of course, the european union is an organization that has actually existed since 1957, it had many agreements and many different there are many ways to organize countries, and the european parliament was created only in the 80s, in the late eighties, in fact, the idea of ​​​​creating the european parliament, which was supported by all

other other bodies, is to move from a europe of states to a europe of people, in fact, which abolishes the right of veta, the european parliament does not can abolish the right of veto, this is an absolutely incorrect formulation, and so the european parliament now has a division of power with the european commission and other bodies of the european union. a decision cannot be made without consultation with the european parliament, there are issues on which decisions can be made without consultation, but taking into account opinions about which the european parliament does not know at all, now the european parliament wants to take a little more power for itself, people want to participate more, that then

not all people are happy with this, as people, socialdarini only happens in authoritarian countries, you know , unanimity and like-mindedness are not about europe, it’s about authoritarian countries, once again, this means that several european countries are now saying that... countries don’t talk, they say political idea, the countries themselves do not speak, let’s not find fault with the words, i will speak, i want accuracy, some , if countries speak, then their leaders, who currently lead, speak, some, some representatives of the european parliament from different countries, primarily from poland, they say that they don’t like that their country will be deprived of the right to vote, great, let’s talk about poland. whose lifespan is at most 2 weeks, this is

such a farce, and the morovetsky government is the government of the old party of the right the justice of kaczynski’s party, which lost the elections and which in december must give way to a new platform, a democratic platform, which is headed by tusk, who is a pro-european person, that is, you want to say that these are polish convulsions, some polish politicians who have already said: well, at least for 2 weeks, well, let’s delay the transfer of power, let’s summarize, he said that authoritarianism, with unanimity, only happens with authoritarianism, right, this means that now the european union is absolutely authoritarian structure, because there you rocked the same gods, yes please, will they, will they start loving gangs in poland after december? no, no, not about poland, not about poland, we are now talking about the european union and its democratization after authoritarianism, poland already loves the european union, more than they don’t love it, will bandera be loved in poland,

i think not, who will authorities, this is one question, but another question is what society thinks, and indeed in poland, in slovakia, in hungary and in a number of other countries, this has already happened a long time ago, well then the very same europe of people, yes, a public opinion has developed that... goes into full resonance with the opinion of brussels and i am almost sure that this is the two-speed europe that they were talking about, it will sooner or later, in the near future, maybe even time this will happen, transform into these two europes, in one europe, one europe will be led by poland, let’s take turns, is it really possible in the foreseeable future for a situation when decisions in the european family, this united one, will not be made by everyone, will accept only the group of the most european, the most family-oriented, and these will be obliged to fulfill, i am sure that

this will happen, how it will be formalized in the form of what document is difficult to guess, because the bureaucracy is right, they had a lot of different documents, but for example, poland has long dreamed, since ancient times, say, of its presence in the european union, to lead a serious eastern european bloc, it has. all the chances now, because the same visegrad group seems to be thinking in the same way, and slovakia and hungary, well, even even the czech republic is present somewhere, here you go, the basis of that second, second europe , and the european union, as we have at the seventh or ninth congress of the communist party, will introduce a ban on factional activity, then poland will not be able to be formed, it will not be possible to happen, but now everything revolves around ukrainian conflict, no matter how much we want it. this fate of the european union is being decided on these lush autumn fields, i don’t think that’s the case

, let’s say it’s unlikely that the reforms relating to the right to vet and other reforms that were discussed here will be adopted in such a tough manner form in the near future, because their adoption would have a destabilizing effect on the structures of the european union, which is because... hungary is also a sovereign state, with a leader who would not intend to put up with such reforms. poland is also a sovereign state, and moreover, even if other people come to poland and most likely come to power, here they are still, you know, the poles are a proud people, they are still interested in what, so that some rudiments of their sovereignty remained and that their voice in the structure of the european union

was listen to me, no, no, don’t repeat after yayan yanych, his behavior, he is our one and only, what is the destabilization, they will start to scatter, or what ? now, if they were to be deprived of these proud peoples who had bargained for something there, maybe not a lot, but not a little, and now they were deprived of it, that is, they would leave, opponents of this reform are not only in eastern europe , you know, the head of the cypriot parliament... do not want to submit to the will of berlin and paris, this is not what they are for entered the european union, these are not the same conditions, for them it would be a radical change, in greece , you think they are happy there, they are not going to submit to poland, they are unhappy if berlin and the french respond by saying, oh so, well then we we will date the european union somewhat

shorter. scale, the germans will say, well, you see, we now have a hole in the budget of 60 billion, sorry, next year we will give the same greeks a little less, sorry, since you are like that, you will vote, unanimous decision , but there will be less money, at this moment, there is a fork in the road, you know, that’s the point, that someone, someone will be forced to formally agree to such conditions, and someone will not, you know, count on the fact that the countries that have been resisting, such as hungary, the dictatorship of brussels for several decades, yes, many years already, that they will suddenly agree to such a deal with germany and france, within the framework of which they will become simply vassals, no, this is extremely unlikely, in berlin and paris, this is wonderful, that is, they will live poorly, but you know, they won’t contribute

an important amendment, countries are not resisting, just as they are resisting, but european deputies, look at the voting results, if they don’t show it, i’m close, show me, 274 against, that is , in fact fi, you see, even there in the european parliament, where the majority of deputies is, purely demographically after all, they represent the largest countries, france, germany, italy, spain, four, even there there is no unity,

imagine. to st. petersburg, why? they create a consolidated group for the gang: peter, resani, dvortsovy, have you prepared the documents? wow, the city of sochi, for work, no, i came to take a break from the heat. don't mind your own

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gather our people, our homeland needs us. this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear, we continue, and this part , let's start with an urgent message from the ukrainian publication babel, it claims that an attempt was made on the wife of the head of the main intelligence department of ukraine, marianna budanova. according to this publication, budanov’s wife is in hospital due to heavy metal poisoning. nothing specifically is known about the woman’s condition; it is only specified that she is completing treatment and is under observation. as the publication reports, the substances that were found in her blood are not used in everyday life, and this may indicate targeted poisoning; some kind of investigation has allegedly already begun and, according to the first conclusions, the unknown drug could

have entered budanova’s body through food. the publication ukrainskaya pravda adds details with reference to its sources, says that in addition to marianna budanova, several more employees of the main intelligence directorate of ukraine were poisoned. they also. hospitalized, according to the publication, marianna budanova’s light weight helped quickly identify poisoning ; she is a fragile girl; these symptoms appeared faster, but the rest of the few employees... intelligence, they are larger people and it was not immediately clear what exactly happens to them, the head of gurbudanov actually says that he was not harmed as a result this incident, well, there have been no official comments on this topic yet, but our favorite head, the head of the german foreign ministry, anna lena berbak, made a loud statement on the ukrainian topic, she gave an interview to the bilt publication in this interview she said that in the foreseeable future, ukraine will become a member of the european union, and germany is ready... to support this ukrainian membership, why? because it is completely

consistent with the interests, the geopolitical interests of berlin, this was a quote: these revelations by berbak caused incredible resonance among the german public, especially against the backdrop of new statements by chancellor olaf scholz , who, speaking to fellow party members in brandenburg, said that no financial difficulties in germany would be a reason to stop supporting ukraine, no matter how much someone might want the opposite. in germanic. in parliament, the chancellor was reminded that berlin had already allocated 25 billion euros to kiev, this made it the main donor for ukraine in europe, and seriously weakened the capabilities of the germans themselves and their economy. the transfer of ammunition to ukraine caused a serious shortage inside the bundesphere itself, the most important military units today can last in battle for no more than two days, and this is generally a catastrophic result. well. here again we can return to eastern europe, which

is trying to turn away from this german course in one way or another, well, i would not say that we are directly returning to eastern europe, it’s just that this phrase, a statement, is fully consistent with ukraine’s membership of the eu, fully consistent with berlin's geopolitical interests, what berbach says, well, this, in general, it’s called statements like this, they’re called a fart into eternity, the third reich said the same thing, well, look, a second, let’s remember 5 minutes ago, let’s go back, that means maxim anatolyevich rubbed our noses in the vote and said: look, here even here there is no such kind of unity, and if the right of veta is abolished, what will happen at all, but this will not happen, at least in the near future no one will sweep away the right of veta, so let’s then look at this family, well, this is not my comparison, i just liked it, when i was a child i lived in a communal apartment , so, well, we more or less had such a friendly,

friendly community, men, fathers of the family, they could somehow, especially over this matter, quarrel there , and the wives of the landlady, well, it seems like nothing, at least, well , they didn’t particularly steal each other’s dishes in our communal apartment, and if you look at this european family now, then in my opinion they will soon start killing you, you’ll turn your back on the pan already and at the very least, please show me. from this week polish truckers began a round-the-clock blockade of the busiest checkpoint on the border with ukraine, in protest against the benefits that brussels provided to ukrainian carriers. during the 3 weeks of the blockade, which in poland was called raising a spoiled child, kiev has already lost almost 400 million euros. the line at the border stretched for over 50 kilometers, 3,000 trucks were stuck in it, the drivers had water, food and fuel... this is not a strike

, this is a terrorist attack, why are we not allowed home, we are standing in a field, there is not a toilet here, not a soul, nothing to eat, one person has already died, we are in despair, the polish prime minister inspired the slovak truck drivers, they blocked their part of the border with ukraine, demanding to tighten overly liberal relations with their ukrainian colleagues, brussels has not yet responded and the situation on the border is rapidly deteriorating. the queue at the border has already reached 20 km. there are almost 1000 cars in it, a day ago there were only 600, their number here is increasing every hour. don’t blame vodia for that. the driver is not to blame for any problems between states exist. this should be decided at a higher level, but as always, the drivers remain the most extreme. farmers also joined the fight against preferences for kiev. and local authorities do not react in any way,

discontent has already led to large-scale protests in sofia. well, i don’t know which of the above corresponds to geopolitical interests, as the german minister of affairs says: yes. it turns out that he is bossy. well, the plans of the bosses, let’s say, the plans of some of the bosses, because mrs. berbock, she has specific views like the party are green, american agents inside the forg government, so berblok’s position was not openly criticized by mr. scholz before, because a coalition partner, if he suddenly comes out against it, then, in general, the coalition will fall apart, but somehow he dampened it a little, germany one of the leading european states,

ukraine's membership in the eu fully corresponds to the geopolitical interests of germany, they say in germany, and in poland. they at least pretend that they don’t notice, well, absolutely, in general, the illegal actions of the polish, i don’t i know who is there, i don’t even know who to blame, who in general actually took and stopped ukrainian trucks, people there are already starting to die of starvation, it means that since this is combined, it’s very simple, ukraine’s membership in the eu corresponds to the interests of mrs. berbock, it does not correspond interests of germany, because germany will have to pay a lot of money to restore ukraine as a member. it will have to be inconsistent with the interests of poland, because poland will have to share the money it receives from western europe, even with ukraine, or rather, everything will have to be given to ukraine, perhaps even pay for itself, ukraine’s membership in is not in line with the national interests of any of the eu member countries, neither poor nor rich, why then should it be shoved there if

no one wants it? shoves her, they give her a carrot, now the task of the european elites, the western elites in general, is for ukraine to continue its resistance, no one is going to include ukraine in the eu , now it’s just yes... you just need to get hung up on it, why then can’t it be like this were they then offered some kind of carrot to the dissatisfied members of the european family, who are complaining that they have few rights there?

they are given money, they are given financing, as far as i understand, they have financing, logic, just the logic of these countries is very simple, why are they against it, no matter how much money they are given, they understand what they will give today. we actually took this ukraine as an example of how these small european second-rate states, from the point of view of brussels , from which the right to vote must somehow be taken away, are able to sabotage one way or another, some brussels initiatives, show it from below, but we don’t want, we don’t agree, this is a picture like this. may look like if brussels pushes through all this, because i just heard you, aleksandrovich, say that there will be a cancellation of the flight and in general there are prospects like this house of cards, which yes, absolutely true, no, actually today’s topic, that’s why i was annoyed that they give us lectures about how the european union works, it’s no longer interesting how it works, because

a suicidal process has been launched, and they did not start it themselves, the self-liquidation of the european union, this will happen inevitably, tomorrow in a year, in five, but it will happen. the european union has always existed, they didn’t just brag about it, they explained that we are all equal, big and small, and now the same, and now you mentioned the twelfth package in connection with the finns, yes, but now they won’t be able to accept it, because that not only hungary, but also slovakia, and even not only they alone, will block, but they have an american... sanctions package against us, they will not be able to carry it out, we cannot console ourselves , no, this is not a consolation, because in any case, ivan sergeevich , what does the consolation have to do with it, the collapse of the european union will present us with new problems that we will have to solve, i’ll just explain what i have in

meaning by the word consolation, when we say that the european union will fall apart not in a year , then in five, not in five, then in 10, this sweetens the fact that the european... for now, for now is still intact, despite the fact that there are right states, there are wrong ones and they continue to do things that are unpleasant for us things, sanctions, not sanctions, and so on and so forth, don’t we invent for ourselves, don’t we invent for ourselves, as a consolation, that yeah, now, but they will still fall apart in 10 years, why , in consolation, did you talk about the very mechanism of the existence of the european union , the process of self-liquidation has been launched there, i spoke about this without judgment, we can have nothing to do with this

at all, the seventh year when he said, we will not work with brussels, with national states, that is, national states, give maxim a hand rise first, well, i'm talking about european i’ll just say briefly that the union will not fall apart, everything will not fall apart, although there are very serious problems that we are actually discussing , i wanted to say more about the poles , you know, imagine a year ago, he said that poland would block all border crossings, that they will not allow aid , including the one that goes to the military needs of ukraine, we would twist our finger to our temples and we would be right, you see how everything has changed in a year, now it means that in 2 weeks it will come, of course, to authorities other government, pro-european, i will win a bottle of cognac from mr. fedorov, since they argued, in my opinion he escaped responsibility, no, they argued, but they argued about the date. so i don’t know that tusk will be prime minister, and not these ones from the letter , that’s why everything is clear, we argued, but

the ukrainians hope that this will change in their favor, yeah, relations in poland, well, theoretically, somewhere- then of course he laughs at the position, maybe he will put pressure on these strikers, but i watch the ukrainians themselves, how they behave, two days ago in telegram channels - ukrainians, there was such a video, our truck drivers came out, suffering... glory to ukraine as a hero , you can’t think of anything better to take this salmon before the poles, there are no brains at all, you know, the poles, no matter what political forces are in power , this is how more and more ukrainians perceive ukraine as such. here is one moment that you did not pay attention to, and there the vile, vile

giggling cossacks drew attention, you said, well , don’t answer now, i’ll be asking you to comment yana yanovich, you said that if a year ago someone would have told us that there would be such a picture on the border, that the poles would slow down, including military assistance, we would have twisted our fingers and temples, to which alexander said, the same with the european union, now, of course , no one can say anything, but come on, yana yanovich, you seem to have such an opportunity , to summarize, you started this discussion, i will summarize, first of all, by clarifying the issue that we are discussing, which is still not clarified, there is no rule in the european union according to which there must be a unanimous vote on all issues, it simply doesn’t exist, there is a sphere in which there should be unanimous decisions, yes, but now a little bit is being proposed, the amount of joint, joint competence of the european council and

the national state, there is a sphere of full competence and national states, right, that’s why they are talking about that let's move some things from the area of ​​unanimous voting to the area of ​​majority voting. yes, no one talked about this, i talked about it in the story, that there are 65, there are different points that should reformulate, always, because there is always a redistribution of powers, they are added to someone, and they are taken away from someone , but this is not very democratic, they were all equal in this european family, they are all equal in this european family in the european parliament, it’s absolutely true that some have powers. everyone has it, there are just big

countries with 60 or 80, small countries say, we want money, and big ones say, you know, if you follow the principles that you signed up for, yes, we are ready to give you, and if you violate these principles, for example, you try to push the independence of judges somewhere under the sofa, then we called it socialdarism, now it’s called. no, that’s it, viktor zhevch, excuse me, yes, he’ll come , well, you don’t care, but let’s continue about the neighbors, you’re afraid we have a chip, how much did you ask for, two lemmas, well, that’s god’s way, are you crazy, or something, two lyamas bucks, you need to call the cops, i assure you, you won’t find anything illegal there, it’s trash. meet him properly, we are professional operatives, me and sanya,

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they discovered something hidden somewhere in the depths. so the finns are now trying to restore some kind of justice of their own, which is that we need to somehow spoil things, here are the ukrainian neighbors, they have never... switched anything , well, i mean, it’s in their blood, apparently, when independent ukraine appeared in our country in 1991, since then they have been proving to everyone that all their lives they they suffered under our heel, were our victims, one of the main irritants here is, of course, the holodomor, as the genocide of the ukrainian people, you already know, this is practically a canon for modern ukraine, the artillerymen or whoever else began to starve exclusively ukrainians, in order so that all ukrainians die, that’s why i say that this is practically canon, well, because this version, well, of course, it

has been formed in recent years, but it has always been there, so it is generally supported and shared already in western countries of all kinds, and why did we start talking about this today ? big events were now taking place in kiev , timed to coincide with the next date of 90 years, the moment of the end... well, and then it all started growing there. let's get a look. kiev widely celebrated 90 years since the end of the holodomor in 1933. they even released a children's computer game about aist and the girl oleona, who, according to the plot , must survive two hungry months in a dead village. on the occasion of the anniversary, the well-fed head of the verkhovna rada stefanchuk spent kiev-pechersk lavra conference on the topic of hunger. and zelsky visited the memorial in the company of a latvian. kiev officially promotes the version that the soviet authorities, led by stalin, deliberately starved the ukrainian ussr for the rebellion of the love of freedom. joseph

stalin had the goal of destroying the ukrainians as a civilizational phenomenon, so that the ukrainian people would never again have the opportunity to claim their independent role in history and civilization. the communist regime in ukraine is emerging. the regime in ukraine began its punitive operation against ukrainians as a national group. stalin was afraid of the resistance of this group. the entire communist regime was afraid that the ukrainians would rebel and gain independence. the ukrainian version of history is actively promoted by the west. on monday, the us state of iowa became the thirty-third state to officially recognize the holodomor as genocide. president joe biden released a special address on the white house website, in which he went over the personality of stalin and his quote, “history in 2019 was shown by the poles in the film harry jones, here is a scene in which the red army soldiers take away grain from the ukrainians. to

moscow, listen, comrade, there ’s something to call him. in fact, not only ukrainians, but also residents of other regions of the ussr, the volga region, the north caucasus, belarus, and kazakhstan suffered from the holodomor in the early thirties. the reason was that in 1929, the soviet authorities set a course for industrialization and began to pump resources out of the countryside at an accelerated pace, which coincided with a severe drought. as a result, the grain harvest turned out to be much lower than usual; according to historians, the number of famine victims throughout the country in the thirties exceeded 7 million people. that it was a terrible tragedy from the point of view of its kind of picture, these were horrors of famines that russia had not known, in general, since the 17th century, the famine affected about 70 million of the population, it

was, of course, a huge catastrophe. the myth of the genocide of a specific nation is now popular not only in ukraine; kazakh nationalists are also promoting their own famine, claiming that, at the behest of stalin, the authorities in the thirties deliberately destroyed nomadic. kazakhs, taking their livestock and food. as evidence, kazakhstan even released a collection of archival documents. local nationalists demand that the authorities officially recognize the famine as genocide of the kazakhs. according to the kazakh famine, precisely in the thirties, it was really the death of a horse-nomadic civilization, an entire civilization, that is, when an entire nation almost died, it stood almost on the brink of an abyss, and it was really a big disaster for the kazakhs, because in that period is really simple there was a question about the physical survival of an entire ethnic group, an entire nation, and why , at the end of this story, we have such a kazakh example,

as if i’m not going to discuss it now, but it is indicative, as they say, you know, this is a bad example, it’s contagious, vasilyevich , look, lately there have been a lot of different revelations from a variety of kiev leaders. and when these little microgenocics, well, like butches, were generally debunked, he himself now said that when he communicated in... interview with 1.1, that in general this was one of the necessary events to carry out the order of comrade johnson and just go to war, but the holodomor as an idea and genocide, it has long been formed in ukraine and apparently, it’s not going anywhere it’s going to go away for a long time, so you think why, it’s, well , they found some kind of successful pain point that... you can put pressure on endlessly, blaming

the russians for it, or something else, that’s a phenomenon for me , to be honest, it’s not very clear, this is really, dear presenter, sick point, pain point, parts of the people, parts of the population who experienced what is called famine and what is called repression or dispossession, as they say in ukraine, and there is central ukraine, especially poltava, cherkasy region, kirovograd, kiev , that is, those grandchildren of those grandfathers are still alive. whom the soviet system, or at that time, we call it, we can call it stalinist, repressed, yes, and their grandchildren remember this, but this is it, i know those people, i traveled, i know people close to me, people who suffered, but what do they have, what they are different from, for example, bandera’s supporters, because they are a separate group of people, they are not westerners, bandera’s supporters are ideological in the west.

there was no, no famine, only because, they said, only because western ukraine was not part of the soviet union at that time, well , they, they think that we are all there too, if banderce is a flag, then this is a famine - this is the pain, part of the pain that it has always been, but when the pain was connected with the flag, then this political theme began, shelter, promotion of what come on, that's exactly why it worked, because if, well, i remember. let’s say my childhood, what books i read about that time, what films i watched , now you, if i’m wrong, correct me, but there it was much more often said to the starving people in the volga region, the starving people in the volga region, now we are pioneers there, but for some reason, the topic of the holodomor in ukraine began in the late soviet union, then the americans held a conference, did it,

how to answer your question, as i would like, i will answer it, like this: yes, there was a problem, then they took grain from people, why did they collect grain, buy machines and then use these machines to build industry, what is called the industry of the union, what is happening now in ukraine, why is this problem brought up again by selinsky and so on, in ukraine the reverse process is happening, in industry was destroyed in ukraine, the machines were sold for metal and now they are selling the remaining grain, and in fact, what should people do, like in that situation in the thirty-second-thirty- third year in ukraine, the famine is now a real famine, because people, people, especially in this period today before winter, tomorrow there will be food, and half and half of the people have left, and some will now be killed and sent to war just to replace, from what i read,

one of the opportunities to create a nation, that’s how a state forms, there is some kind of national catastrophe, whether it happened or not, it doesn’t matter whether it is, it could be the loss of some major battle, after which independence was lost for a century, or some kind of invented national catastrophe does not cancel the soviet one, that’s something- that such a unifying thing that you can stand around for a long time, i understand your question, but here , in my opinion, the situation is much more complicated, vasily dmitrovich, let’s still not fall into everyday... logic, let’s remember that at the time of the collapse of the soviet union, materials began to emerge about the pogroms of 18-9, specifically fastovsky, the pogrom at the borodyanka station, pogrom, pogrom, berdichev and so on, in order to hide and whitewash the image of the ukrainian, and he was enough in ukraine, beyond complementary, the topic of the holodomor was raised, i can with you... specifically directly

go through the facts, especially since my relatives suffered in the fastov pogrom, and not only jews were killed there, further, i ’m continuing your question, yes there were such ideas, but let’s understand two facts, there is the fact of famine as a historical phenomenon, and there is the fact of the holodomor as a method of psychological information influence , which, by the way, is well written in the works of advisor... minister of defense ilyinsky, this topic in the west is called, well, mental, psychological warfare, now they use the term mental war. so, ukrainian society, which has been very well studied, in the united states, due to the large number of representatives of western ukraine who emigrated there, turned out to be very susceptible to methods of information and psychological influence.

one of these methods is to promote the theme of the holodomor, creating an image of a humiliated, oppressed people, but if we look at it historically, can i rephrase you, then vasily dmitrivich spoke just now, and you, then tell me this, this is in general. .. the idea is to use this topic and promote it - is it american, relatively speaking, and some kind of english one, or is it an exclusively ukrainian idea that suited the local elites, you just said that society turned out to be unraveling, so it began to begin, as at the point of befurcation the vector of national elites who came to power after the collapse of the soviet union and the creation of a political nations and method. external influence in order to create a cordon sanitaire around russia, this all coincided, what do you think, but i can directly answer your question, the concept of the holodomor it was the anglo-saxons who created it, these are two specific people, these are john mays and robert conquest, later they began to simply introduce it into the public consciousness, absolutely true, during the times of the late soviet union,

in order to strengthen this national division, to strengthen one’s own, for this that this was the one, the thought that vanya spoke about, that this was the creature, was being pursued. the point is that stalin did not destroy the ukrainian nation, he created it, that’s precisely the political famine, the holodomor, he only strengthened it even more, he took it out of the framework of soviet ideology, the soviet state, he contrasted it with the rest of the soviet union, he contrasted it with the russians there and so on, here i have two books, one is even autographed, this is a modern ideologist from the holodomor stanislav vladimirovichsky, in order to establish a nation, in order to create this foreign determinant that works, you need either some kind of defeat, insult, or some kind of victory, that’s the schizophrenia of the ukrainian consciousness, it’s in that’s the point: it seems that the ukrainians have always conquered everyone throughout history, the cossacks, the petlyuras, everything, on the other hand , for some reason everyone killed them all the time, and starved 3 million people, and during the war they were all killed there and so on

further, this is schizophrenia, nevertheless it works well for modern national genesis, any citizen of ukraine now , what he experiences, the damned muscovites starved us, that’s what propaganda is now pushing into them, but they starved us, on the other hand we can be proud. damn stalin starved us no, no, here i am, i can say my opinion about the famine of the thirties, the famine of the thirties was caused by the fact that stalin, on the one hand, he really carried out industrialization, this is trotsky’s idea, by the way, only on a larger scale, on the other hand he fought with christianism, christianism, in general, was not entirely happy with soviet power, it had to be conquered as a hostile environment, and it could only be conquered by winning, only by forcing it to accept this power, he accomplished this task, there is a remarkable evidence, when it stands, so to speak, stress, that now during the war is all nonsense, therefore, in conclusion, the holodomor is a mythical idea, which is nevertheless in

the heads of current citizens of ukraine in all other countries, this is also broadcast to the usa, france, anywhere, it becomes a political reality, this is exactly the same as now many american schoolchildren believe that a table... history, which is taught under the right key, can influence reality, the current reality and shape some actions, if the muscovites, the damned russians, destroyed the ukrainians, then we should be fine with them, well, here then, after all, vadnya is not just asking the same thing, i would like to understand, so the muscovites or stalin, you see,

nationalism and empire, look, when we were part of the empire, that, so to speak, this empire was with us, did with us, it’s good that we immediately distinguished between the topic of famine, which really happened, and the holodomor, well , which can be questioned, because indeed both kazakhstan and the north are here this is just a fundamental point, wait. as i see it, this is what vasily says, it’s somehow clearer to me, as i see this scheme of theirs, stalin came up with it, gave instructions, started all this.

the rest of the muscovites with their bloody little hands, yes, all this was organized by the anti-imperial theme, there is nothing else, why because this question, i still remember there, when medvedev , for example, was president, yushchenko invited him to something like the seventy-fifth anniversary, but there was a famine there or something -then, and this is the tenth year they they it was already , in my opinion, or the tenth or later, in my opinion, listen, when yushchenko invited medvedev to attend events dedicated to the anniversary of the holodomor there, medvedev refused, he said exactly then that, so to speak, this topic arises in ukraine, i will not go, because this is yet another confirmation there of the nato vector of development of ukraine, ukraine is using the topic for in order to, on the one hand, pull ourselves away from russia and say that russia is to blame for our troubles, on the other

hand, so to speak, to cling to europe, because europe is not to blame, as it were, for our troubles like this, then, let's start with what is true, the truth is that the famine in ukraine, in northern kazakhstan in the volga region was a monstrous disaster in which a lot of people died, it is also true, the truth is that state policy, confiscation of grain from peasants. refusal to supply sufficient food, refusal of foreign food aid, all this played a significant role in the development of this city, now, which is already an element of modern political interpretations interpretations, indeed, it was correctly said here that what is happening, the concept of the holodomor, which is so mainstream in ukraine, is now part of an anti-imperial, anti... colonial, if i put it in quotes, anti-russian, and discourse, the point is

that if, what happened, the soviet union collapsed, and in almost every, not practically, in every republic, including, by the way, the russian federation, and such anti-colonial historical discourses appeared, within the framework of which this or that people, in including the russian, was, so to speak, a victim of the empire that existed before, i will remind you that there was such a historian, now... who wrote a book about the ukrainian yoke in russia and there were a lot of publicists in the nineties and even now oleg patonov and others who said that russia was colonized there in the seventeenth year by the bolsheviks and people, jews, balts and others, and we can observe exactly the same discourse in the baltic states, in moldova in ukraine, in the republics of central asia. in ukraine, such discourse is very beneficial, of course, those who want to tear ukraine away from russia. because it has not yet broken away, that no, it has broken away, but

in order to, well, it is beneficial to maintain it in the information environment for ukraine, constantly, it is also beneficial to those forces that want to tear kazakhstan and other central asian republics away from russia , it is also beneficial for this discourse to keep this topic afloat there, because the point is that they say that it was moscow and stalin, but stalin was the head of a great empire, which included these included these countries, these republics at that time. and that moscow was responsible for this, so as not to interrupt you, let us pause now and then continue to cooperate. a special issue of superstar, which is entirely dedicated to the work of composer viktor drobysh. today, every assessment of an artist, it is somewhere in my soul and my assessment. why are you making us nervous all the time with lesha’s numbers?

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the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything will happen. clearly, we continue, in the last part we asked for a reason about ukrainian claims specifically to stalin, we paid attention to them, because this is a very interesting thing, it turns out that it was under stalin that the policy of ukrainization in the territory began ukrainian ssr, that is, ukrainian culture and the ukrainian language were implanted where they generally did not exist yet, although back in 1919 there were directly opposite ideas, to federalize russia and ukraine into some kind of territorial entity to unite together, about ukrainization, let’s let's try... now look in the story at how it all happened, and then answer the question why. in the first years of soviet power, the position of the bolsheviks in ukraine was not the most successful. neighboring poland, which received western ukrainian territories, strongly encouraged ukrainian national spirit, even creating separate ukrainian military units. and moscow also tried to earn the loyalty

of the population. in 1923, joseph stalin, then people's commissar for nationalities, declared a fight against the remnants of the great russians. the bolsheviks entered ukraine three times and it was very difficult for them to take root here. it was necessary to put forward a program that would be positively received locally. indigenization is voted on, indigenization is proclaimed, and in each republic it takes on its own form. in ukraine, it was promoted in two phases: ukrainization in relation to ukrainians and indigenization in relation to ethnic minorities. at the twelfth party congress , the bolsheviks proclaimed a policy of indigenization, that is, in the national soviet republics, the russian language and culture were to be supplanted by the local ones. thus, in a country still reeling from the civil war, in conditions of hunger and devastation, the government allocated half a million rubles to print ukrainian primers abroad. linguists

began to form the literary ukrainian language; books and books began to be published in it en masse. newspapers, the ukrainian theater was created, the ukrainian language began to be actively introduced into education and office work. despite the fact that the majority of the urban population of the republic did not know him. in odessa, where less than a third of the participants who considered themselves ukrainians were ukrainized. during the school years, soviet cinema introduced the audience to the language of the ukrainian people; officials of the ukrainian ssr who did not speak ukrainian were ordered to learn it within a year, otherwise they would be fired. in july 1930, in the donbass they even decided to prosecute leaders who treat ukrainization too formally and cannot convince their subordinates to speak up. during the same period, famous nationalists began to be returned to soviet ukraine from emigration, for example, the creator of the ideologist of ukrainianism, mikhail grushevsky, once one of the leaders

of the ukrainian resistance in the civil war, became a member of the ussr academy of sciences, promoted ukraine, the slogan of ukrainization, which was introduced in ukraine by koganovich in the years 25-27, in the thirtieth year of stalin, it provided for intercepting slogans and intercept the methods of the nationalists in order to prevent them from taking root in ukraine. in order, figuratively speaking, to show that communists are not strangers, that they will not go to someone else’s monastery with their own charter. alexandrevich, is it correct to say that it so happened that stalin, if he is the father of ukrainization, then in essence he is, well, the forefather of the current ukrainian nation, as we see it. well, to some extent, beyond any doubt. this year, it was 20 years since the president of ukraine, now the former leonid. kuchma published the book ukraine, not russia, who already wrote, who already wrote this book for kuchma, unknown to anyone, but the book

actually very clearly explained the role of the formation of ukrainization in the formation of the ukrainian nation and how this happened in soviet times, indeed in soviet times time, starting somewhere in the mid-twenties, enormous efforts were made to... carry out coronation, and it was not only about imposing the ukrainian language, the ukrainian language was really being imposed on the cities, it was assumed that now in as a result of modernization, people who will speak ukrainian will move from ukrainian-speaking villages to the city, of course, everything here should already be in ukrainian, but in addition to this , a system of certain privileges was created, so we know, brezhnev in his first, in his first, documents in his memoirs

he wrote that he was russian, but he really was russian, but at the same time in party documents from a certain moment, he began to be written as ukrainian, why? because as part of the caronization within the party in order to so that if you are inside the ukrainian communist party, then in order for you to move up the career ladder. but can you explain to me why stalin needed this, because from what i read, again, there may be something wrong, ukrainization until the age of twenty, before koganovich arrived there, was going on rather more on paper than in reality, in twenty years koganovich appeared there, appointed to ukraine, there is a version that stalin needed to rely on some new party elites, these party elites forged

on a national basis, in order to create people loyal to themselves locally, who will then act, well, since moscow will say whether this version is correct, in general, why did stalin need it, well, firstly, in fact, that loyal personnel, new personnel , they could forge in absolutely any language, either ukrainian or russian. in any language they forged in all languages, so this was not fundamental, in fact, here, in my opinion, the main thing is, firstly, the idea of ​​​​correctness, which is... really in as part of the modernization process, we will expand the use of national languages, they really believed in this, secondly, this was also an important factor, ukraine was fed in order to create a certain battering ram against poland and romania, because part of the lands that were later called ukrainian

, they were part of poland, it should definitely be like this against neighboring countries, i don’t really understand why it was necessary to do all this, that is, one gets the impression that the achievement of these set parties government goals were impossible without emphasizing a certain national spirit and difference. and here you understand, that’s why it was necessary to feed like this, in my opinion, in my opinion, there is a certain schizophrenia here, because the same joseph vaselenovych took one step forward, then a step back, first there is ukrainization, then then it means , the ukrainian union is being organized, liberation is taking place, and the ukrainian intelligentsia is being shot, then ukrainization begins again,

and that’s how it all goes. roll forward, roll forward, this is the second time that schizophrenia appears as a term in a discussion, the first time you are i can explain why, what happened then, it was part of a certain dogma of this ideology, but this dogma was not united, let’s say, lenin, he proposed to create a union from the republics, which had everything up to the exit, the right, even secession from the union, stalin had a more cautious policy, but he was still forced to go within the framework of this ideology, this is just a certain element of faith, well because that this is... not only ukraine. in kazakhstan, for example, they tried to introduce the latin alphabet back in the thirties, they tried to introduce it even in tatarstan, in some places, in some regions, this was such an apotheosis of nation-building throughout the entire space of the former russian empire. but when they realized that this could destroy this empire, when very strong separatist tendencies began to form even within the communist parties in ukraine, then they already understood, against the background of the fact that the world revolution did not take place, that it was necessary to build one state

you need to sew it together. and within limits. but in some ways we have to curtail it, so alexandrovich, again, just a continuation , we probably don’t forget the fact that all those people who carried out ukrainization, they came out of the experience of the so-called spring of nations in the middle of the century, yes, when it appeared a lot of small nations, yes, political nations were formed and they tried to act in exactly the same way, well, within the framework of the big soviet one. also in all national republics a national intelligentsia was created, historical myths were created in many ways, which many nationalists in the post-soviet space still feed on, you just understand, quite quickly within 4-5 years, even before the early thirties, people from culture in ukraine began to appear who began to say, why

do we need russian culture how... i see, in our previous story there was mr. bondarenko, who said that this was an attempt to intercept from the nationalists, wait, then it turns out that this attempt to intercept the nationalist baton led to the fact that from my there is no point of view, but we give out historical assessments, so to speak, easily, which means, indeed, from my point of view, the soviet union decided to play this card, it perfectly understood the sentiments that were then in ukraine, and when now we hear those there, there is no ukraine, it never existed,

where from. nationalists took over there, yes, at the end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century, in the cities there were some noisy groups, that these nationalists were in the villages, well, forgive me, i think that in the villages, so to speak, all all all all these there were anecdotes and conversations and jokes, all this was always present, listen, the root of this and the nature are definitely completely the same, which means the soviet government understood this very well and began to flirt with... this ukrainianness, moreover, it received colossal results, a union of soviet socialist republics, like a symphony of people, what do you disagree with me about then, nationalism blossomed, no, it was internationalism that blossomed, coexistence, and the soviet union, now wait a second, and the soviet union did not refuse from this topic, even after the great patriotic war, since we know that it was moscow

, so to speak, that brought kiev when creating the organization, you can ask a question, have you read the novel david the builder to gomsakhurge, no , read it, it was written in the seventies, you will plunge into the soviet nationalism of the georgians. what is the difference between lenin and stalin in ukraine from the point of view of the ukrainian village, lenin is kind, lenin is good , he gave us land, and stalin is vile, he took our land , drove us away from the kolgoz, i translate into russian , and stalinel, to work seriously to work on the territory of ukraine, including in villages and cities, naturally it was necessary to oppose

this, i say, then some kind of failure occurred, it means this mechanism got out of control, it turns out like this, no, in fact, the point is , which was at first. the inverse element of this imperial compromise was that these republics, both autonomous and allied, were loyal to moscow , as far as foreign policy was concerned, as far as foreign policy was concerned, as far as it was concerned, they were

loyal, they were subordinate to moscow, and those who did not obey or did not intend to obey, were subjected to the most severe repressions, then this framework of this compromise changed over the years and somewhere already in the post-war period, from the late forties, from the fifties to the end of the eighties, to the mid-eighties, these were 40 years, in the principle of very successful state building in the ussr within the framework of this imperial compromise. now, regarding the collapse of the ussr and the role of ukrainian nationalism. let's remember how this happened. the collapse of the ussr was initiated from the center, from moscow, in the ninth year, maidan on granite, this was in the soviet politburo, by the eighty-fifth year there were more. russians than ukrainians and others, unlike brezhnev times, when the soviet union was united and was not in danger of collapse. garbachev was not ukrainian, yakovlev alexander nikolaevich was born in the yaroslavl village, he was not ukrainian, vadim bokatin was not ukrainian. these were all

russian people. yes, of course, when this decentralization began at the end of perestroika, at the final stages of perestroika, it already acquired a certain dynamics such that upward, of course. various national republics, this is ukraine, and armenia, and azerbaijan, and georgia, and others , they, of course, were fully involved in these processes, very actively involved, some were not included, say, those central asian republics, they even even to moment the gkachp did not turn on and even after that kazakhstan became, they did not want to leave the ussr, they did not want, but of course, but we must not forget, it was not kiev that destroyed the soviet union, you know the collapse of the soviet union, you have the opportunity to speak out superstar new season on saturday in

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by stalin. while in moscow, khrushchev told his ukrainian colleague a year later. he turned to stalin with the following words: ukraine is in ruins, everything is being pulled out of it. but if she gives crimea to her, it’s a big deal, khrushchev failed to hand over crimea to ukraine. so what if ukraine, who said, vyleksanovich, imbued it. and why didn’t they give up crimea then, why didn’t stalin make this decision, in this chain it seems like ukraine was fattened up before the start of the second world war, then, when the issue with poland, which was derided as the second main enemy against germany, was removed, well, in principle, these western ukrainian lands were integrated into ukraine, leg.

crimea, no expansion, i thought that this was too much, it would already fall out of the pot. of course, this was too much; in fact, the same stalin set a limit to the expansion of ukraine to the east back in the twenties in the late twenties, when local party members from kiev said that we needed to annex part of the voronezh region, part of the belgorod region, and so further, that is even then, this issue of expansion to the east was completed, because ukraine. but as i understand it, now for today’s modern nationalists, this issue is not closed, because they periodically say that we will return the kuban there to ourselves, everything else there, well, so i mean then it turns out right, a phantom, well, you understand, census in the russian empire , the end of the 19th century, and according to this census

it was referred to, and in the negotiations, when the ukrainians came to kerinsky, they tried to agree on how ukraine would be here. everyone referred to the census of this population and to this day in ukraine they still say : “but the crows are tsenazh, here is kuban - tsinazh, because there 37% or 40% saw the light, who called themselves ukrainians, called themselves ukrainians, they called themselves, no, they didn’t call themselves ukrainians, they called themselves maloros.” in the soviet union, ukraine has

a population of 29 million, 80% are rural residents and only 20% are urban residents, and this is where i read further. and how many russians there are - people write that yes , russians, ukrainians were the majority, 72% there, but these were little russians, or it was under the pressure of what is called stalin, stalin’s pressure of ukrainization, russian people, little russians and so on, the example of brezhnev, the example of brezhnev, given to you in the past in the last part, this is the same thing, more profitable was to sign up for ukraine in order to understand what will happen next on the party ladder there, you chatted mine. an extremely important question, that is, there were some justifications, to consider, well done, to consider that voronezh is ours, kuban is ours, crimea why did ukrainian thought become, the ukraine that i never knew, among ukrainians it was not believed that crimea is ours, nikolai, and

donetsk too, but now russians live in crimea, so let’s bogdan, that the idea of ​​a state, the idea of ​​a nation is always a group here are the intellectuals who dream and who simply build schemes there, manipulate census data, draw maps there and so on, this is apparently what is called the lousy intelligentsia, why are quite literate christians not drawing maps, not drawing, but then, but then repressive bodies or educational ones according to the patterns of these intellectuals, they explain to the christians that they are russian, now i’ll explain to you, they call you right away about the cards , as for the crimea, everyone, a good joke, i think, understand correctly, we are now talking about the transfer of crimea there, and taganrok can leak, taganrok was also part of ukraine, it was then returned back to the russian soviet federative socialist republic, a number of districts sought to return to the russian soviet federative socialist republic, initially our entire state without republics, was originally called the russian federation, all this space, why, this at all

not so long ago, but stalin, i think, he understood perfectly well that we handed over novorossia to ukraine, from odessa to kharkov. an important region, from a military point of view, the black sea fleet, it needs to be controlled directly from the center, why sevastopol was always a separate entity that was controlled, in the same way then the kaliningrad region, the former kenyaksberg was also controlled from the center, because this is a very important region in the baltic, which allows us to control this closed... separate russian transcarpathian republics, he refused, included it in ukraine , there were russophiles back in the interwar period on the territory of golicia, present-day western ukraine, he also did not relate to them in any way, he could also say that you

know, here we will build russia, galician russia there, that’s it, i would have signed everything as nice as it would have been immediately, so of course crimea would never be part of ukraine except for these, as they put it, lousy intellectuals like some grushevsky. who no one repressed him, he died calmly, but khvilevoy shot himself himself, who by the way was the author of the slogan gatvid moscow and so on and many others too, no one shot dzyuba either, rustle generally died in the nineties, who created the cult of shevchenko, it turns out to be the second , it doesn’t matter, he was shot or not the second already for this sherbitsky there are also a lot of them there , no one repressed them as much as we usually think, except for these groups of these intellectuals who dreamed of ukraine from the carpathian mountains all the way to the caucasus.

back in the 19th century, it was a small group, there were 200-300 of these people dreamers, you will forgive me now. i’m already tired of hinting to you that you should take a break now, well, this is not what history would have been like if not for two events, not for two magic elephants on which ukraine rode into history, this is the revolution, the first world war, the entire ukrainian movement would have dissolved like aquitaine, i just never received an answer to the question. how much the policy that was initiated by joseph vissarionovich, yes,

led to what we have now, i propose this in the blitz, now there’s a short pause, we’ll be back, quiet autumn night turned into a tragedy and endless grief for his family, three people, a granddaughter, daughter-in-law and wife, he came and surrendered , he said, he says, i killed the family, or don’t remember, i don’t remember, especially for his granddaughter he would have torn him apart, how could he do that, the bastard, relatives are wondering what happened to an exemplary family man and loving father, who brutally killed the women he loved? seemed to be a very caring, courteous person, and the family’s neighbors are afraid that the kursk ripper will remain free, all the people, everyone is afraid of his return, what secrets the family buried valoboevs, and what is in action... dad, he wants to kill me for something, but for what, i don’t know, a week ago before the murder, i say what i

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because to what extent stalin’s policy in ukraine was influenced by modern events, alexei gennadyvich, and not only stalin, in 882, novgorod, prince novgorod took the city, the city of kiev, yes, and that’s exactly what it is, everything has influenced from 882 to the present day, because this is a continuous historical process, in short, the main thing is to remember the mistakes that we made. negatively and if he had not made the mistakes that he made under the influence of ideology, then we would not have had this conflict now, or it would have taken place in a much milder form, so vasilyevich certainly influenced and not only from the point of view of the formation of the state, from the point of view in terms of flirting with nationalism and

nationalists, we see what has grown up... now in today’s ukraine , this is stalin’s fault, but the amazing metamorphosis in ukraine is not recognized and they say that stalin is a cat, he is a tyrant, and the main hero of today’s ukraine is vandera, the one who did nothing to create ukraine, but said, well, this seems to me to be purely a disinformation effect, alexander rishitoch, under stalin the foundation, the walls and the roof of ukrainian statehood were built. but in this house, nationalists were still shot under stalin, then, during stagnation, there, already in this house, soviet, ukrainian nationalism began to live, then the soviet union collapsed, only ukrainian nationalism remained, and of course, this is all a single process, a contribution, everyone made, this metaphor about walls, roofs and foundations

, i really liked it, it turns out that if you listen to our guests today again, then in place of the monuments to lenin, which in ukraine has been removed in every possible way since 1914, they should erect monuments to stalin for that very roof, foundation, and so on and so forth, where possible it was possible to settle, where the same nationalist could settle, who are now trying with the famine of the same stalin, this suggests that about the walls, these roofs, that is, about the neighborly relations that we are talking about, and then it comes exactly schizophrenia, we mentioned it several times today, in short, about the smart-ass neighbors today, gala, we need to do something urgently, because our apartment is very small, and... uncle panas, who promised that he would spend the night with us for only two nights, he's been living with us for two years now, you i wish i could at least talk to him somehow, the apartment is very small, and why should i talk to him, well, why, this is your uncle, and i thought it was yours, this was a

meeting place that cannot be changed, 14 :00 weekday ntv broadcast, all the best to you, goodbye. according to formula 1.3, the gaza strip and israel exchanged prisoners. while transiting in the ugledar direction , enemy drones are hit with the help of pozrka igla. let's face it, what does a former american army officer who returned from donbass say about the ukrainian conflict? blizzard, blazes, shkuvalisty, wind, several more russian regions were at the mercy of bad weather. about the main thing, for this minute, in the studio ilya fedorovtsev.