who is doing the search in this city? i ’m doing it, i’ve been doing it, listen, if this car would have stood there for six months, it would have disappeared from all the orientations, all the guards would have forgotten about it and it would have gone to the landfill, as it always was, only they didn’t take one thing into account, this one would be in trouble, if so anyhow, that means, now you need to sit quietly, and if there is such an opportunity, then get out of the city. disappear, that’s what i came to talk to you about. russia strives to become. a full-fledged fourth

economy in the world, which of the old-timers we are, and not only we can knock down from olympus which industries today are demonstrating the most noticeable growth and how invaluable the foundation for the future is created by the defense industry, being a locomotive. is there a risk that, while rebuilding, we will move from the western technological needle to the eastern one? what is the meaning of tax innovations and what is the meaning of the term “savings economy”. let's talk about this with the head of the institute of forecasting of the russian academy of sciences, alexander shirov. alexander santrovich, the task of making russia president has been set.

i will represent developing countries, this it will be china, it will be india, it will be russia, yeah, apparently, it will be indonesia, but of the developed ones, only the united states remains, but the question of russia will be the fourth or fifth, but if it does develop like this before or after united states, if we have growth rates, as again stated in the presidential decree, at the level of the world average or higher, then most likely we will be able to solve this problem, well, in a recently published report by a scientific institute... we need a balanced development model without any some hypertrophied rebounds , jumps, yes, but what do you mean here? we now have an economy that mainly depends on what is happening inside, of course, the dependence of foreign trade has not gone away, this is the basis on which, so to speak, the federal budget is also formed, but here, too

, we must understand that this growth that we have due to internal factors is limited, so we need to look for a balanced model that, on the one hand, we have - intelligible and understandable the entry of our country into the global division of labor, that is, we sell products to the world of a completely differentiated, that is , range of goods and services, on the other hand , we must have an ever-expanding potential for domestic demand, and how it will constantly expand, well, that’s what the president said.

services that are not very complex, yeah, and high-tech, it turns out that we can do a lot on our own, and do it even often of a higher quality, and this is income, this is business income, this is income states and this is, first of all, the income of the population, this is a factor in the fact that business, the entire economy... are committed to economic growth, we need to support this sentiment, based on the results, well, probably not of the first half of the year, but the first quarter of 2024, what industries are are we showing the most powerful growth? the growth of our mechanical engineering continues at a rate of about 30% year on year, this is a very high

pace, of course, it will be impossible to maintain such growth rates for a long time, the commissioning of new production facilities will be required, and these investments, it is clear that it's kind of the same. the direction is consumer demand, and here we see a revival in the production of food products, as well as other goods and services that are aimed at consumer consumption, and there is a third segment of the economy, which has always been the driver, we have already talked about this, this is the soybean complex, where, unfortunately, we have restrictions, one way or another our exports are under a certain pressure, and we see that in mining we have signs, well, i would even say that... decline year on year, there are a number of factors that influence this, well, other sulfur production is not growing very much yet, this includes chemical production, and metallurgy, and so on, but you know, here we are - recently we are probably partly accustomed to the fact that the main locomotive

of our economy, well, were probably two such areas, this is construction - and agriculture, today, well, this is how we look at... not professionals, if you look at it, it seems to be the military-industrial complex , this is what experience we are gaining in this sense, and how can it be further implement, the defense-industrial complex was the most developed back in soviet times, was the most developed sector of the manufacturing industry, of course, we must pay tribute to the fact that over the past at least 8-10 years, due to specialized programs for the modernization of defense-industrial enterprises, it was possible - re-equip a significant part of these enterprises, they, of course, can produce, and we see this, competitive products, well, what does competitive mean, it’s clear, that these are products that ensure our security, the only question is that this demand for defense products is not

always stable, it is clear that a decrease in international tension, de-escalation there , can lead to some kind of crisis in the production of these very defense, we need to understand how in this case we will use the positive potential of the defense-industrial complex for the development of the country’s economy, this is also very important because over the past months or the last one and a half to two years in the defense-industrial complex complex, a large number of qualified specialists from all sectors of the economy have come, such human potential has also been formed, yeah, and it is very important, again , to use it effectively, science works in order to... create new technological solutions, and these technological solutions need to be implemented, and again, of course, a significant part of them is related to the defense industry, but some of them are either dual-purpose or related to the civilian industry, you need to have effective mechanisms for integrating these decisions into the economy, and this should not only be

the state, but certainly such mechanisms should also be created for private business, investment in transport infrastructure, well , road transport, let’s even say so, they are so... great today and so it’s still long-term money, yes, when you can expect an effect from this, you probably also think so, well, the effect - for example, of the eastern training ground is formed instantly, uh-huh, why? because we now have a situation where we cannot a significant part of the cargo that is formed along the trans-siberian railway is exported, well, yes, this is a bottleneck, that’s the same thing, yes, that is, we have a port infrastructure and, first of all... uh, the railway infrastructure itself does not allow us to realize that export potential, which now exists, yeah, and what’s the other problem here? a significant part of the cargo there is raw materials, including energy, but coal, let’s be blunt, is a window for receiving income from the export

of which, it is limited, yes, because what it is clear that within the framework of climate policy , coal will most likely be the first to suffer; we have, i don’t know, 10-15 years there, when it is still possible to increase export volumes. and receive income from this, invest accordingly, including in coal regions, develop them, build additional opportunities for economic development, and this is very important, yes, but we see that there is such a limitation, that’s how it is.

to the source, yeah, because mikhail vasilinovich lumanosov once published a treatise with the corresponding title, here in in general, the classics, and so to speak, many thinkers in russia for centuries, but this question has always interested me, how to save the russian people, because really, that means, well then it was a problem, now even more so, because now we really have depopulation, well, depopulation is associated with natural causes, in my opinion. the main factor in saving our population is the reduction in mortality, yeah, because this is where

the greatest potential is clear, where it is accumulated, these are cardiovascular diseases, this is oncology and these are external reasons, and this is precisely where the state is hitting, so we have already had successes, serious successes, life expectancy in our country was increased by 4 years in the period from the fifth to... the nineteenth year , that is, in 15 years, we have now paid attention to the birth rate, to have a birth rate of 1.8 per woman, while we now have about 1.4 there, yeah, this is a very serious task, for the entire period there after 2000 we once they had 1.74 there, in my opinion, in the fifteenth year, here we need to talk to psychologists, rather than to economists, economists, of course, if there is sustainable economic growth, at least we will not worsen the situation, plus the support measures that are there for...

will support, but this is not enough, unfortunately, that is, action is also required in another area, that is, in the field of psychology or ideology, i don’t know, it can be called differently, thank you very much for the conversation, thank you. hello, it’s a decade of science and technology in russia. ntv television company and state corporation urosatom presents the program: science and we, a program about how science will change our lives in the next 10 years. me, vladimir antokhin, me, ekaterina.