years children will really stop going to school, our expert, professor kapustin, recalls about the soviet education system. the best education system was, of course, the soviet school system. this was recognized by all countries, including those hostile to us. before the revolution in russia there were about 30% literate men, only 10% literate women. the system created by the bolsheviks helped to win.

took a scooter and once even took second place, though from the bottom, it is interesting that our chemistry professor kapustin heard the edge, well, well no, actually, by the way, i absolutely agree with him, of course there is - there is a longing for the time when school was so wonderful, clubs were free, now i have four children, each club is paid, so i have a personal question for you then, you yourself loved going to school, yes, of course, it was just... i don’t know,

the happiest time, i don’t remember what we studied, well, 2 +2 i apparently learned, in fact, i still have friends from there, well, that is , the best friend i have, he is really still from school, and you, well, i unfortunately he moved, so we communicate yes, but rather remotely, but nevertheless yes, in high school for us, going to school was a pretext to, well, meet with these yes, apparently, somehow knowledge was also instilled in parallel, but because on such a positive, well , valery anatovich, well, look, apparently, there was once?

in order to teach something, you need to have a certain array of data, not just data, but the necessary data, not just a person, but the necessary data for society, a specific society, this data needs to be transmitted, therefore the emergence we associate the first schools with the emergence of civilization, civilization is a socially complex society. egypt,

mesopotamia, yes, and in order to govern the state, literate people were needed, among other things, not just literate people were needed, an elite was needed that had to... introduce into the minds of citizens these values ​​that exist in this state, therefore, therefore the task arose to prepare the management elite from a young age, oh i don’t know, it seems to me, it was such a wonderful time when old people were gathered, children, in fact, the old people just passed on everything that was most necessary, experience, traditions, that was a wonderful time, and then they came to prepare the elite, it began,

it looked like from time immemorial even animals teach their babies, and people have always taught their babies, so the need to gather them together appeared when the need for storage rooms appeared, that's how valery anatolyevich said, if we take this as a metaphor,

while adults are busy with their important adult affairs, children should be somewhere in the place where parents think, that they are safe, and if they are taught something there? they will develop something in them like thinking, and they will also educate them, that will be absolutely wonderful, i as a mother absolutely confirm to you, someone take my children away from me during the day and teach them something, what do you want remarkable, and the first schools are recorded in our country 500 years ago in mesopotamia, but we do not know how they were organized, archaeologists have obtained clay tablets for us, where teachers and students wrote some messages to each other, there are even... textbooks, but for us, for most of we are characterized by presentist thinking, we do not see the past as different from the present and the future, we perceive everything as if it had always been like that, it seems to us that the school there in the sumerians was the same as it is now,

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lessons. unfortunately, the school is focused on the average student. and alas, it has been proven that strong students at school gradually degrade, while poor students remain as they were. that is, there is no motivation to become better. and modern children are not accustomed. parents simply raise lazy people . school tests cause me particular irritation, but sometimes they are extremely stupid. i will sign up for.

sakhalin, i came to another school there, in another class they have, well, plus or minus one i don’t know, not from moscow, i don’t know, there, in the direction of the page, we were different, yes, the teacher had a plan, which didn’t even say which page, just the exercise number, he knew for sure that if he did all 10 exercises, he would achieve the result, but oddly enough,

the standards appeared in order to give the teacher the opportunity to create, that’s the problem you noted...

that’s why these first standards, they become, well, as if obsolete immediately, as soon as they came out, of course, that before, before we just raised the personality, but now some standardized child, then in 2009 new standards appear, let's call them second-generation standards, here

it turns out to be a slightly different story, here the standards talk about how to make an educational program. for an educational institution, what is its structure, what are the conditions for implementing this educational program, but most importantly, what are the results, the results are already becoming subject-specific, this is what we are used to, yeah, and these are meta-subject-specific, for example, creativity, critical thinking, and the ability to analyze, the ability to compare and personal. for me, this is to present myself, this is to show initiative, this is curiosity , how interesting, oral answers at the board were cancelled, well , at the same time, some personal ones to present myself remained, i wouldn’t say that oral answers at the board were cancelled, four children were cancelled, let’s do it this way, yours were cancelled, no, they may be from some standards , but as we say now, the teacher has a creative process, i don’t want to call and

no one calls, the tests gave everything, well , of course, it’s possible this way, for me... question: before 2004 years, when there was this wonderful , wonderful soviet education system, which gave us wonderful specialists, people, creative people, scientists, anyone, who it did not suit, but everything was the same in it, only not standardized, well , firstly, not quite the same, secondly, there was no development, teacher development, child development, now it does not work like that, are you seriously thinking that children are developing better now,

educational standard, but look, we can each design differently this route of achieving certain goals, in fact, you and i will most likely

each set priorities differently, what is more important to master, yes, that is, somewhere more will be given to the subject, somewhere less to the personal part, yes it will be, and then it turns out that we go into the field .... by and large yes, in which we have the greatest, you know, probably the highest requirement should be for the teacher, and what is happening now? you and i understand that year after year, unfortunately, work at school, well , is often less and less attractive for those guys who graduate from, well, specialized educational institutions, i can say that literally a few days ago... i met with graduates of a pedagogical university, here are five girls, she says: the three of us are on maternity leave, and two say,

we won't go to school, well, on the condition that we are extremely interested in them coming, what happens next, very often, well, the teacher himself no longer knows the subject as well as we would like him to know, unfortunately. this is a very widespread practice it mainly affects complex subjects, mathematics, physics, chemistry, a separate problem is technology lessons, it turns out, you see, everything that this sweet image of the soviet school consisted of, and in fact it breaks down into a very large number of components, you see, subject knowledge, education, socio-cultural activity beyond the perimeter of this, it begins to break up into a kaleidoscope of ... into a large number of options, and then someone really gets lucky at school, and a teacher appears who is not just

formed subject knowledge, but got carried away by biology, got carried away by chemistry, got carried away by some other subject, and the person starts moving further along this path, look, the further we go, the more we actually have to fight for the child's attention, so that this subject becomes truly sincerely interesting, then he will go look for specialized materials on the internet, participate in the olympiad, invent something in the radio club, but if this love did not happen, the teacher did not ignite it, then imagine, here it is tomorrow he passed by the subject of chemistry and left there, let's put the accents here, the father founded...

you as a teacher will not understand whether he read this subject of skeptics discord or not, it turns out that we are entering with you into an option when various control and measuring, very objective instruments are needed again involvement, the more interesting the teacher's work, because he can direct the child, show him, he does not necessarily have to be the only source of information, but then look, school is not just a place, where... came, you see, you can just as easily have a museum as a school, any, any playground, i don't know, a sports stadium, that is, you can actually, that is, you don't have to go to school for this, yes, school has lost its appeal, i absolutely agree here, teachers instead of making children fall in love with their subject, they try to correspond, spit on the child,

he is now just trying. this environment is divided into four levels: microenvironment, here three factors mainly work: school, family, peers, mesoenvironment - this is the territory of residence, this is the national-cultural traditions in which he is immersed willy-nilly, these are cultural

attitudes that form in him...

therefore i believe that - it is precisely today that the traditional school is the institution that teaches children both socialization and communication. school again teaches students to interact with each other. school teaches - not only to speak, but to listen to others, to what other children say. okay, alexander ilyevich, and what technologies? even today they allow a child not to go to school, but at to get an education. once at the beginning of the 20th century, when education became widespread, when all children went to school, when education ceased to be a privilege of some chosen people, with the development of industrial society , the need for physical education arose. full-fledged physical education lessons appeared in schools.

their number increased throughout the 20th century, fitness for working people appeared. we stopped working physically with the development of industry and felt that our muscles. require additional training when we worked physically, of course, this was not necessary, now all these wonderful things are being replaced by artificial intelligence, which will not only work physically for us, but also work mentally, so in these conditions will we feel intellectual deficiencies, we feel a deficit in muscle development, here is a deficit in thinking, a decrease in our...

the advantage of the test is that it distances the subjectivity of decision-making from the teacher as much as possible, why, because by and large it is the most objective solution, it allows for very accurate diagnosis

the state, so to speak, a person knows or does not know, understands and finds a common language with the teacher and even a little bit, as it were, add a point to yourself with this, isn't this a good ability, it is not. eh to the end - the subject part or there subject knowledge, maybe it is more important than to draw a benzene ring one you know not all physics eyes can someone will draw benzene rings will do this, but here you understand why we are talking about this, because there are subjects, yes in particular for example physics, yes, where you should not only reproduce something mindlessly, but in the mode, here i am drawing.

it is important and such technologies exist, when we can not only make a judgment that a person understands what is being discussed, but we can really measure it as objectively as possible, here an option arises when it is impossible to write off, when this or that object can be measured as clearly as possible, this is also a good skill that develops very strongly, you know, we wrote off the atomic bomb a little, of course. but after we wrote it off, we conducted a very a large array of fundamental research, yes, i agree, but now we, who will bring us closer to a new step, a heated discussion, let's go for a break, have a rest, advertising on ntv, welcome to the show miracle, this

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years. in 10 years, children will stop going to school. no, children will continue to go to school - our expert, professor kapustin, believes. today in russia the ratio of students to teachers is 20 to one. for comparison, in cuba it is 10 to one, in the central african republic - 80 to one. homework takes, well, 10 hours a week, but many students prefer to do homework not with their parents, but with the same teachers right after school. 80% of schoolchildren attend art clubs.

this did not prevent him from graduating from university, defending dissertations in novosibirsk in bertley, that is, all graduates have a chance for further achievements and success. school is the first step to success, so children will never stop going to school. as good as it would be, but i have a feeling that our professor, that many today, respected experts, corresponding members, doctors of science, as if they had not been to school at all. in fact, now it is impossible to do homework in the after-school program after school, firstly , the after-school program is paid, paid, it is forbidden to do homework in the after-school program, because it is not paid, it is no longer possible to do homework with a teacher in the after-school program, it is forbidden, when, therefore, the professor says that school is wonderful, because there you can do homework with a teacher in the after-school program, even

this is no longer true, if you meet the professor, you will argue, valery anatolyevich, by the way, has anyone compared the level of skills and knowledge? children who now go to school and children who now do not go to school, but let's say, i don't know, study remotely, and you know, there is a unified state exam, and students who study in a traditional school are taught to receive a home education, pass this exam and enter the institute, and if education home education did not correspond to a traditional school, then probably now... questions have already arisen they would start to cancel the home system online education, but they do not cancel, so the difference between a traditional school and home schooling does not exist, but there is such a company,

an american one, several years ago they initiated research, they wanted to compare whether there is a difference between. on the other hand, companies began to save money, because they need less office space, less costs for their maintenance, for utilities, and what benefits will a child receive, if he stops going to school and what benefits will society as a whole receive from this? and i would rephrase the question a little, if you allow me, this is what

the pandemic has shown, yes, with this case, that it was not so much a request that arose. as another request for physical contact arose, well , that is, the meaning of physical contact, it became much more valuable, perhaps, this is where there is a kind of prospect for the development of this school education. why is this important, because look, what we personally observed from the example of our employees is that after the pandemic, my colleagues. request for visiting the office, it was built on the basis of from other priorities, i don’t come in the mode that i’ll sit at the computer, do something and just drink coffee, yes, but why do i come to the office? in order to meet with someone, to discuss something that, let’s say,

is more difficult to do online for some reason, or to participate in some kind of collective format, which also, in general, online can well... be implemented somehow differently, and in fact, it seems to me that at some point, school can transform into something similar, that is, the amount of knowledge physically there on subjects, yes, which the student can demonstrate or vice versa receive yes within the framework of this training, he can ultimately receive online, why? because, let's say, today we are already faced with such solutions. this allows us not just to look there yes as if at the solution, using the method of immersive oculography together with neurosit we will know with a probability of more than 90'. 9%, and do you understand what we are asking you, in what area of ​​​​this issue

you have some kind of gap, that is, in fact, if we transfer this to the educational field, yes, we will ask you not about all the questions on physics, but specifically about the section on quantum technologies, in which you , let's say, did not understand something, as you called it oculography, immersive aculography, you will laugh, but the sensors that allow us to analyze this...

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such is the time, an exclusive interview with nail and marina khamatov on saturday at 16:20 on ntv. on air program, science and us program about how science will change our lives in the next 10 years. dear experts, optimists and skeptics. what is the probability, in your opinion, that children will stop going to school in 10 years? it seems to me that this probability is 10-15%, no more. why? i still think that what school brings is necessary. and socialization, the proverbial, the opportunity to communicate and learn, the opportunity to communicate with different people, that very physical contact that was talked about. and, ah, i really, by the way, like you, have the best friends from school. and it didn't work out later not because people didn't meet, they met and there is communication, but this is what

is valuable, when a person communicates with me simply because i am like this, and not because i have achieved something in life, this is only from school, well, this is you and me, and you think that now school is also the same and corresponds to these high standards, it is changing, but it does not mean that it is getting worse, i am very interested in working at school, i can't imagine myself in another place and would never... change, so 10%, 10, 10%, thank you very much, this probability is equal, in my opinion, to 50%. i will explain, we still underestimate the capabilities of artificial intelligence of immersive technologies, now it costs nothing to place the textbook material in messenger and there is a standard that... must be mastered, but if a child is interested, for example, in pacific mollusks or elementary physics of elementary particles, once you click the mouse,

a huge amount of information will fall on you. groups of teachers, and the teacher will already get the job of a cognitive engineer, who works in accordance with this technology, and we are now standing just on the threshold of these changes, so 50%, yes, thank you very much, you know, school has existed as a social institution of society for many millennia, children have continued to go.

they will continue to go to school, so i am sure, and that in 10, 10 years is not such a long time, and in 10 years children will study at school, and attend a traditional school, and i am 100% sure of this. well, that is , they will not stop going to school, the probability is zero, thank you very much, they will not stop, you know, to me it seems that with about a seventy percent probability...

we even talked with you today in a conversation about the fact that they want to receive , consume content or i don’t know , interact with some kind of interactive environment, this combination of such tools, it seems to me, will significantly change education, we will most likely, probably, come to a more valuable, probably more targeted personal contact, but at the same time a significant part of the material, solutions, knowledge. sometimes maybe even skills will be consumed, and most likely, probably, checked and supported through various platform, maybe, technological solutions that will greatly complement this, probably, what makes you think so in the first place, yes, what look, day by day we are increasingly receiving such a request for increased efficiency, increased efficiency

is not even that we need to start doing something, we need to change something and... with a probability of 32, yes, i agree, no, that's right, everything is correct, according to experts' forecast, with a probability of 32.5% children stop going to school, that is, they will not stop, thank you for this forecast, and in general, by the way, for being so positive, although in fact at present everything in school is not as positive as you say here, i hope that everything will be as you

say about a good school, and they will not stop going well, you know? so that children do not just go to school, as now, they go, and to be honest, as alexander ilyevich rightly said today, they are still in many ways intellectually and even morally degrading, simply because school used to be geared towards making a child fall in love with the subject, the teacher, his classmates, and just running around during recess, now school is geared towards meeting standards, you know, as they tell my children, it doesn’t matter what you know, what you don’t know, whether you came to school or not, so that you get three grades for the term, now no one at school cares about anything else, the main thing is meeting standards, god willing, this will change, so that there are schools left that make children fall in love with the subject, knowledge and each other as teachers, well we have already discussed the disadvantages of home education today, it seems to me that we have not voiced the main disadvantage of home education, the main disadvantage of home

education is additional. science and a program about how science will change our lives in the next 10 years, do not stop learning and motivate your children to love learning, see you in a week, bye.

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