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hello and welcome to press tv spotlight, i'm marsia hashimi, thanks so much for being with us. the largest open air prison, gaza is being bombarded once again. the israeli regime has used thousands of tons of bombs, as it's announced on one of the most densely populated areas in the world. almost half of the population is under 18, but that is not a deterret for tel aviv, as so far, more than uh 500, well more than 687, the new numbers, palestinians have been killed in at least 140 of them children, and over 3600 injured. this all follows a successful operation carried out by the palestinian resistance on saturday, during which for the first time since the 1940. 48 occupation, parts of

palestinian land were liberated, 800 israels were killed and dozens were taken as prisoner. i'd like to welcome my guests to this program, help me look at all of this. harley schlinger spokes from la rush organization out of germany, and mcnape co-founder scottish palestine sal. thank you both for being with me, let me start it off with uh harley, do you think that what we're witnessing the constant bombing of the gaza strip and lack of condemnation by western governments it is indicative of the reason, the resistance is actually done what it has, nothing is said against the regime even when it uses the legal foscorus bombs against civilians or war planes constantly bombing civilians and this is been going on, well the

siege has been going on for 16 years now, mean your take on this, is there anything besides resistance that's left for these individuals, for these groups? well, if you look at the media in the west, you would think this came out of nowhere, that this was just a reaction of crazed terrorists, and that there's no explanation or excuse for it, now what you point out is absolutely the case. that there's been an ongoing, what what they call in the west, a frozen conflict, but it's not frozen if you actually live in gaza or in the palestinian areas of the west bank, it's been an occupation, it's been a bloccade, it's been a denial of food and and medicine and jobs uh for for decades and what you're seeing, i mean i i just read a piece by chase freeman, the former us ambassador to saudi arabia, who actually i think had it

right, he said this is a reaction to netanyahu's extremist anti-arab policies, including the settler invasion of the alaxa mosk, including the expansion of settlements and he said it exposes the bankrupcy of the us in the great power geopolitical game, which basically treats the palestinians as non-humans, so he he also made another interesting point, it was a reaction of people have been left hopeless, with no real hope, but that by striking out against their oppressor, it does give a certain amount of hope and also exposure to the continuing crimes of the israeli policy with us and nato support, well mick um let me quote the israeli defense minister of galant, it says a complete sie on ghaza now is going to be

implemented, no food, no water, no fuel, everything is closed, we are fighting animals and will treat them accordingly, mean, how is there not? major reaction to this type of statement made by an alleged government official. i mean, your take on his statement, first of all, and then of course the lack of reaction. it's completely disgusting, isn't it? um, but the israeli, israeli leaders have been behaving in the most disgusting way, using the most violent and genocidal language over. many years and not just the present crop, but previous ones, without any sanction from the west, because the west gives israel unstinting support, um, i mean that support was fairly limited actually, until 1967

after, but after israel um defeated syria, egypt, and jordan, and proved that it could crush local, proved that it at that time it could crush. a challenge to to to to western domination, then the age started to flow to israel, and therefore israel can do no wrong, it's very simple, there is, i mean it's it's fascinating to see today, a cold eyeed monster, psychopaths like fander layon and boris johnson and various other people develop what they want to us to think is a conscience, and they're a moral high horse against the palestinian. um um you know actually uh breaking out of gaza and having the temerity to attack israeli soldiers and settlers, but while israel was poisoning the water in gaza, allowing the water to deteriorate to become undrinkable as

deliberate policy, they didn't have a conscience. during the great march of return, when israel was mowing down unarmed demonstrators with live ammunition, and maming tens of thousands on industrial scale. the british government continued to sell sniper rifle parts and there was not a peep of condemnation from these people now riding very high horse uh, putting the conscience on display and so on and so on. there is no crime which israel could commit, no crime, no crime at all which would incur uh condemnation, they have a... a justice system for palestinians who have no votes uh with 99.7% conviction rate, once you're in that system, you have no chance. now that's a system for palestinians, the system for jews is relatively humane, relatively okay, but

this is disgusting, it's beyond disgusting, but no condemnation has utter forth from germany or britain or america or belgium, so that's where we are, that it's not going to change. that's how it's always been, and they support people, they support any uh uh, you know, criminal organization if you like, um, which is which is aligned with the west, if you're against the west, if you'd refuse to accept western higemony, you can do no right, anything you do is terrorism, now we know israelis appear on the media all the time, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, you know, terroris, terrorism balloons, terror tunnels, anything palestinians can do is terrorism, and and even the non-violent attempt through the bds movement is condemned as terrorism, so there's nothing palestinians can do which will which will get any western support at the official level, and there's nothing israel can do that will get any condemnation,

that's simple, and if you can see this, if you can see it so simply, i think we can, i think we can discuss why that's the case and what the future looks like. okay, well hardly, um, you appearance. perians and the americans have fully supported of course israel uh as we've just heard and and washington says it's sending a warship now and uh other supplies or equipment and i mean this whole creation of the israeli entity what came about because of the wests and its own guilt and uh killing the jews and now then they created this entity put it on palestinian land and now they continue to support the oppression of. i mean what does it all mean? tell me, you break it down of what is going on? well, as your other guests pointed out, what we're seeing is the most blatant, disgusting hypocrisy on the highest level coming from the west, but that shouldn't be surprising, we just saw case

where in the canadian parliament they celebrated nazi ss veteran as supposedly a freedom fighter against russia, so we we see this: and we we've become accustom to it, and the the biggest threat is that in the west people tolerate this, they accept it, they they don't even question the media narratives. i guess then the question would be here, why is that the case? harley, why is that the case that they do not question this this mainstream narrative? well, i, i think it's because the it's so all encompassing, going back to education, going back, look, if if you look at the situation, this is nothing new, the policy of massive oppression of the palestinian population has gone on since 1948. uh, it's it's something that is just part of the environment, so they've

normalized the idea that anyone who opposes israel is some kind of anti-semite and and sub-human person. now in the meantime, they they do give a pass to the settlers, the the people who go in and and destroy and steal land from the palestinians, that's not something that happened 30 years ago, that's happening today, and so you create... normalization of these kinds of oppressive policies and so people have no way of of really thinking outside the box. now when something like this happens when there's an uprising, some people start to question and say, well why did this happen? why are people willing to give up their life for this fight? and what we have to do is make sure that people in the west recognize that the west is not the good guys in this, the unipolar. order is a global fascist order that's out to destroy russia, china, continue the the

oppression in the developing sector, and let me make one other point on this, if you look at the timing, the uh, the israeli reaction is coming precisely a moment when the whole unipolar order is shaking because of the bricks, because of the rejection of the ukraine proxy war against russia, uh, the... the bricks just added egypt, saudi arabia, iran, united arab emirates, and this policy of of giving full support to israel is attack on the attempt, not just of the palestinians for justice, but of the whole global south to break out of the colonial regime, which we've just taken for granted for the last 50 years. well, mick, netanyahu is has said that israel uh... the way it's dealing, will be dealing with the gaza strip will change the middle east forever and what do you think he means?

means another you, mass ethnic cleansing of palestinians, now they're going to the they're saying this is going to be a long war, it's not going to be few weeks, and that means that extended over very long period of time they can probably kill hundre or a couple of hundred people or even many more people per day in gaza by keeping on shailing, so i suspect it means much more killing and and i think there are people inside the israeli government at the moment saying that this is an opportunity to to drive out more palestinians, possibly into jordan, to egypt government would have see against that, i think it's a very. the palestinians, look for opportunities was a

great opportunity for them to expel hundreds of thousands of palestinians during a during a war, so they may be doing so again. i also don't know why the americans are sending aircraft carriers, either it's because biden faces a re-election and he wants to you know demonstrate how tough he is, tougher than than trump, or they may be planning an expansion of the war, because it may be that israel that it's losing uh it's previously dominant position of being able to terrorize the whole region what are you let me stop you right there let me get a clarification there what are you saying you're saying the possibility that the united states could get directly involved um in this conflict? yes i'm not saying i'm not saying they will i don't know nobody knows but it's a possibility why have they sent those aircraft carriers. the aircraft carrier in the ships, um, i mean, it doesn't make israel look strong, that they need an american aircraft

carrier to protect them, i think we have to, we have to deal with the possibility that they will widen the war, now they've been badly burned in iraq, but they've devastated afghanistan, they've devastated libya, they've devastated parts of syria, they devastate countries, and they may be thinking that now's the time to to try to. negate the the the palestinian victory, the resistance victory because it really dealt a smart a crushing blow to to israeli confidence, they may feel now's the time that they they simply have to take an opportunity. to reverse that, and i don't know what they'll do. i mean, israel's a wounded animal, but wounded animals are very dangerous and america, although it's in decline is also very, very dangerous indeed. they killed three million vietnamese. they're capable of terrible, terrible crimes, and i am actually, we have no choice but to fight, but i'm actually quite fearful. i think the future looks very

dark, because an imperial power in decline can be very dangerous indeed. uh, well, harley, um, let's talk about, because i want to go back, i will go back to what mick just talked about, but first i want to go back to the significance overall on what took place on saturday, because it was a historic operation, operation flood, um, do you think that this has changed uh, the scenario in general, that it has added to given the uh, given them more conf'. as far as the palestinian resistance or how do you see this affecting the overall situation there? well, i think that's what the israel are afraid of, that's also what biden and people like sullavan and blincon are afraid of, that if the palestinians, under these extraordinarily horrible conditions are able to mount an

offensive like that, that it gives hope to any people in the world who are dealing with the effects. of an imperial neocolonial power. now i think that the other side of this though is that this is defensive posture from the west. the united states as the unipolar power uh has suffered significant loss of influence as a result of its inability to use the proxy war in ukraine against russia and its threats against china, they're not scaring the chinese, so the deployment of... naval vessels off the coast of of israel, who does that scare? the the idea that the united states can go in and and restore order is seen by many of the countries now in the world as a joke, so i think this the effect of the events on saturday and and the follow through is that it does give a sense that resistance is not

futile, resistance can have an effect. it may be a short-term. effect, but the longer term effect is to show that people are willing to fight when it's a question of protecting family, protecting nation, protecting uh the the population against oppression, and that's an important lesson, and we saw that with the the bricks conference, we see that in africa now with countries saying, we're not going to submit any longer to this unipolar order, so i think this is part of a global revolution against neocolonialism and imperialism. uh, whether it succeeds or not, partly will depend on whether people in the global north, in the western countries wake up and recognize that their governments are their enemies to their own people. right, well mick, you said that you're concerned or worried about the current situation, uh, but the pressure that has been on the palestinian

population, i mean, it's basically been there, if you want to go back to 1948 from the original. occupation up until now and of course the 16 years of gaza being under siege, um, so with what you're saying, basically uh, do you think that what happened on saturday made the situation worse, or basically is this the only way to freedom that there has to be sacrifices, unfortunately people are dying, but they were dying anyway, but now there is some hope from the palestinian resistance, i mean your analysis of... well, there's no doubt the palestinian resistance has shaken the whole area, it's changed, it's changed everybody's calculation, the israelis thought that they had the palestinians crushed and defeated, that they could manage the west bank, they could manage gaza, just give him a little bit more money, few more uh permits to work in

israel and and and feed their family, um, allow some, you know, to to to to to... ameliorate things very, very slightly, they were so wrong, this what happened on saturday morning, i woke up on saturday morning and started watching the television, and you know, it was unbelievable, it was incredible, i don't, i defy anyone to say they thought that this was a possibility last week, this was, this was, this is going to be discussed and taught in staff col in military colleges around the world for very, very long time indeed. and and it will be studied by the professionals, because this is a remarkable achievement, now all the pieces have been have been blown up, now what takes its place, that is, that is to be decided. by people in struggle, but no, of course, the alternative for the palestinians was to die on their knees, not just them to die, but their children and their grandchildren in the gaza

cage to live and die there without any hope of of better life. this was a remarkable uh achievement by the palestinian resistance, a stunning achievement, and the israelis have not even recovered from the shock yet, so no, i very much think it's a it's it's a huge plus in. in the area, what i'm saying is uh, it's not over yet, and the israelis are capable of mass murder, they they they revel in mass murder, every dead palestinian for them is success, man, woman or child, because they want palestine without any palestinians and they've said that repeatedly, our governments know that, so we reach the situation now that all the western governments are backing a government with obvious genocidal ministers like like ben gaveer and smart rich and others and many many others as well, so we get them, we get them backing genocidal regime, and biden was asked uh yesterday or the day before and he

said, we support israel, what it does, now that means not just the massacres of the past, not just the the the full spectrum criminality, but something even worse than that, they've just been given the go ahead, partied on the head and said america approves, go ahead and kill as many palestinians as you want. so it's obviously worrying because there is not yet a force that can fully protect the palestinians, but the resistance will of course uh uh give give the israelis one one hell of a run for the money. and harley, what do you see the situation going right now, um, because as we speak, unfortunately uh the israelis are just pounding uh, the gaza strip, uh, but overall your assessment of uh, what do you think? this situation can go? well again, i think you have to understand that the reason netanyahu is doing what he's doing is that he is an extremely weak position because he's so

polarizing even within israel, and he's going to try to use this and in fact use the the murderous policy to reassert the need for an israeli strong man, namely for him, and i think that's what his intention is, more ethnic cleansing, driving more people out. and rallying the forces of the west around him by saying that we israel are the democracy and the palestinians are the animals and the terrorists, but my my thinking on this is that what will ultimately occur depends on whether there's enough conscience in the north and in the the global west to recognize that you cannot kill a spirit, that there's a a soul of the palestinian people that will not submit, and that's something that that defines the the nature of human beings, the struggle for justice, for better future for our children

and grandchildren, and it's my hope that those of us who live in the west, who are watching this can take this message to others and say, look, this is our fight too, don't just leave it to the palestinian children, without support from the west are going to be slaughtered, we have a responsibility. to fight against this kind of policy coming from uh not just the israeli government but from western governments uh as as mixed we've seen what the west did in in libya in iraq and afghanistan and syria and in what they're doing in ukraine, they're killing their own allies, the ukrainians, so if people get a sense of this, there is moral righteous cause here, and it's not the cause of netanyahu and the united states, perhaps we can shift... world opinion to bring support to the people of palestine. okay, and just one minute, mick, harley just talked about that support, uh, we have been seeing demonstrations take

place in the many western countries right now, um, your take on that, do you think that this situation, that more people are becoming aware uh of the palestinian cause despite the major pr campaign going by the israeli regime? it's very important to. stand for many many years israel has been deeply unpopular in western public opinion, not among elites, not, not in not in terms of what you can say publicly, but when you measure what people think, they are deeply hostile towards israel and and tend to be sympathetic to the palestinians, that's why there's such repression in america, germany and britain as well, trying to shut down pro-palestine voices, if if israel were not so unpopular and the ziners know this and they discuss this among themselves, then they wouldn't need to shut us down, they wouldn't need to attack us, so i don't think there's a big major task to persuade western public opinion to be to be supported of palestine, there's a task to find out how to channel

that, i can persuade somebody in five minutes to to despise israel, in another five minutes and they'll support palestine, it takes a long time to persuade them that we can change things okay, and on that note so sorry to interrupt you, but we're out of time, appreciate both of you being with, sarley schlanger, spokes and rush organization out of germany, mclapier co-founder scottish palestine solidarity campaign out of edinburgh and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight and marza hashimi, see you next time, goodbye. this square is called daniel garcia, it was named after young man who was murdered almost 20 years ago due to the violence in soccer, que no esté la hinchada del otro equipo eh soluciona el problema de la violencia, no es

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headlines at press tv, israeli military continues to pound gaza heavily and is conducting air rates targeting multiple locations, around 560 gosons have been killed including some 91 children. meanwhile in a raison support for the israeli aggression, the eu suspends all aid payments and projects related to palestinians. people across the world take to the streets and solidarity with palestinians in their battle against the israeli occupiers.