you it's current its daily shelling of lebanese territory and killing of lebanese civilians, so basically this is what we were uh hoping to see, we have another group here that is still protesting since there are several roads so some of them have turned and come back uh, but the security forces seem to have succeeded and basically moving away, most of the protesters, we can feel the teargas now we're choking actually from the teer gas uh they continue to throw tier gas at us, but we also have seen fi or somewhere and we don't know what caused that fire near uh one of the stations where they were deploying uh so we are still waiting to see we've had ambulances like i said several of people wounded one of them was hit either with the tear gas itself or maybe with rubber bullets i'm not sure what they were using but one of them was hit right in his uh throat so this person was really endangered his life was endangered and they were even firing at us as journalists they're firing at us and

we're clearly journalists here, we have our cameras and everything, and they were still firing towards us, so this has not stopped yet, and people are still angry, of course, yeah, it's quite intense to see their anger and for them to come out, uh, but uh, on the negative side of things for the way that these security forces handled them and uh, incurred some injuries on them, that is the unfortunate side of what we're saying, uh, looking at the bright side of things, i don't know if you agree or not, obviously it highlights the fact that uh are rising up uh around the world on the civilian side of things in terms of uh residence of countries like in uh beirots which is probably in a more heightend state of awareness um and more compassion if we can say that because of obviously the presence of hezbollah and the way they feel about palestinians but this will highlight what is going on which is nothing short but massacre and war crime um this particular protest seems to have take many by surprise in terms of it happening i don't know if you were aware that it was going to happen or not but i'm guessing as the work. we're going to see more of these,

right? well, definitely, it was quite spontaneous what we saw here today, the protest by hazbullah today was called for the day before, it was very organized, like usually hezballah has organized things, they have a speech, this group of people, of protesters, they said that they're going to just, it was very spontaneous, suddenly they have decided to come to the us embassy, but from the day that crime happened and people start going down to the streets, blaming the us, the security forces right away enforced uh the um this the protection uh surrounding the us embassy. you can see here we have one person who has fallen, we're seeing the security forces basically calming down somewhat trying to help one of the wounded, of course we can't really talk to them, i tried to to ask them if they can comment on why they are doing this, what is happening right here, but they have orders of course, and we do not want to see lebanese actually facing the the lebanese army. it's not their

job, it's not something that is, the lebanese army has always stood by the people of lebanon, they have marters in south lebanon, their posts were hit in the southern areas where the israelis continue to shell, but unfortunately this is what happens when the united states dictates its policies onto a country like lebanon, and although lebanon has lot of support for the resistance, and lebanon has of course, feels that they have a hit. history of fighting israeli occupation and israeli aggressions and us aggressions against its country, still you have that that power that they are trying to use here in lebanon and they are enforcing, which is basically trying to put the lebanese army facing the people and the civilians themselves, now some women have tried to talk to them telling them that you are like my son, you i don't we don't want to fight you, we're not here to fight you, we're here to express our anger at the united. states

because of their support for israel uh, of course, like i said, this is a soldier, a soldier has to um, just basically follow orders, here now we're seeing of course the the lebanese forces trying to take the protesters back as far as possible, um, and and i wish we can get someone to talk about their even the the the soldiers are quite angry right now, they're just trying to move them away, even the soldiers. themselves have suffocated because of the teer gas, we have one of them had fainted because of that, so it's not only the the um, excuse me, the civilians, but the soldiers themselves, they have been impacted by their own weapons, and so far it has been only teergas, this is reminescent of uh all the protests that have taken place near the us embassy, like i said for decades, whenever the lebanes wanted to protest, this was what happened, and of course this is just only part of the... uh

the influence and the interference that we see from the united states embassy here in lebanon, the u.s. ambassador, herself dorothy shah, meets with lebanese officials a daily basis. especially after the issue happened in uh in south lebanon, they're trying to put pressure on the lebanese fractions to put pressure on hezballah not to interfere and not to take part in the operations in south laban hez has made it clear that no one will dictate to them what they need to do and the resistance of course will be fighting back and they will continue to support the palestinian people thank you uh we're going to give you a time out to catch your breath and to uh get perhaps something to clear her throat uh that's mariam sal there on the scene there uh we do thank her for um the sponton his protest i broke out on for her to show up at the scene in order to give you and you can see how intense the air is there um blaze toulo is a convener at acra collective the socialist movement of gana who joins us from akra uh welcome to the program well let's continue a little bit first about the

what we saw in beirout and also thenpur people are rising up showing their anger particular in bayrut but overall uh people are um obviously maybe some for the first time have realized the brutality of israel in terms of how it has uh massacred palestinians a number of war crimes have been committed by israel and on that front iran um through its foreign minister hossain abdullahyan in that oic conference in jetta is uh leading a call for israel to be to be held accountable uh what what's your impression of how israel has conducted itself uh in terms of the purely uh the picture speak for themselves the massacker of palestinians well thank you very. much for having me, i mean we are getting into very interesting times and i think the current events that is happening has really exposed that israel is not only an apatite regime, israel is not only genocidal regime, israel is not only a colonial occupier, but also that imperialism is its

forefront, i mean what is happening is clearly historic, the number of people that are being killed by the israeli forces and the... hypocrisy of the international community is shocking, i mean, but this is not is, is not new, we know very well that the system that the world system that was put together after the second world war to ensure that there is the so-called well peace and humanitarian regime, the rights of individuals, the rights of a common humanity, that all of that was false, all of that was a guise to... ensure that few elites of the international system continuously holds the working people of the world into ransom and israel is clearly perpetating this at the highest regime. i cannot imagine this that right now is no longer even about occupy territories that safe places like hospitals

are being bombarded, children are being killed, women are being killed, workers, health workers are being killed and international law is mute, nobody is talking about it, you know, and it's now very clear and the height of this, biden is offering his unflitching support to the israeli zionist regime, i mean this has exposed the mass hypocracy of the international law, it has exposed that, even not just israel, but the united states of america and britain accomplices to the death that we are seeing, but the death we have seen will not go unpunished, israel and the united states will not go unpunished for this hinous atrocities that they are committing on the palestinian people, what have they done wrong? i mean, this is second akbar, this is a clearly another akbar, deliberate attempt to exterminate a group of people from the surface of the air, and this is un unacceptable, and i'm very happy about the

mass protest that are happening, the working people of the world are going to stand up and defend the rights of the palestinian people, the children and the women that are dying, their death will not go inv. people are going to fight, people are going to die and that there is no victory for any occupier, there's no regime, and we in the african continent have seen it before, and that is why we have always said that the struggle of the palestinian people is directly linked to the struggles of the african people, we know very well that territory like uganda was going to be given out to this so-called sionist regime, but it ended up being in the lands of... this time, so we very well identify ourselves with the palestinian people, so many movements and and women's movement have issue statements, there's been mass organizing to ensure that we rais this appartite regime of of of of israel, and i can assure you that israel will not go

unpuninished for these atrocities that are causing to the palestinian people. yeah, i do sympathize with you when you say uh that africans have also experienced the form of colonialism as we have seen through the... different uh uprisings that have taken place and obviously we applaud uh what the citizens of those countries have done because they want to get what's rightfully theirs, but you have accomplice here, if i can use that. word and that's the us was aided and embedded and at this point even iran's leader has come out and said they're the ones who are actually devising plans uh as to how they have israel proceed when it comes to this war uh so some focus needs to be put on the us here the us president joe bien was in the region uh went to israel um and the show as as uh not unexpectively showed its full support um how we are we seeing is the world i should say seeing the true face the us uh because they come in with their suits, they're pretty uh tampered up, but they but really deep inside,

they're the ones who are actually responsible for what is happening to the palestinians? i mean, very clearly i agree with you, and look, this is, i mean, we must put all these us intervention, us atrocities in in in palestine into context, the us is declining hegimon, it is clear from all the economic, social and political indicators. that the us is declining and anytime any hegemonic force is declining, they results to wars, they restor to occupy territories, they restor to what, manipulation to ensure that they remain in control of the world system, and this is what we are seeing right now, mean joe biden is going to go down as one of the worst leaders in the history of the united states of america, we've had the worst, but joe biden has proven there is going to be one of the worst leaders in, in fact he is a weak leader. 'i heard him today talking with benjamin netanyahu and i was shocked at the

some of the words and solidarity messages he's expressing to to to this zinest regime so it is very clear that look wars, occupations, appartite regimes are a reflection of declining hegemonic forces and this is clearly what is happening to the united states of america, they are funding was all over, this is the same thing that is happening in in in ukraine, and this is where the hypocrisy comes from, look at what happened'. in ukraine, the mass forces of the international system in solidarity with the people of ukraine, as against what is happening in palestine today? i mean, i was shocked yesterday when russia tried to send um um um some of the united nations security council with a statement to sease fire, and the united states declined, simply because hamas was not mentioned as as as uh how do you call it a terrorist, it is amazing, and it is because of that single act that they acted yesterday with impunity to go and blast this hospital where almost over 500 people

are dead so i agree with you it is very clearly that the united states is at the center of what is happening in in in palestine and it has the center because the us has lot of interest in the arab world us has lot of economic and political interest in the in the middle east and the only way to entrench that interest is to hold very close uh allies with israel, but this is not going to happen, like i said before, nobody knew in africa that appartite south africa was going to be defeated, but we ended up defeating appertite south africa, and we are going to do it again, israel is going to be defeated, israel will not remain the way it is, with the mass rising of the palestinian resistance, and the resistance of the working people of the world, the us and britain can continue acting in impunity, but i can assure you. you with the mass solidarity that i'm seeing, with the level of consciousness that we are looking at and the resistance of the

palestinian people, palestine is certainly going to win this battle, it's no longer about the war, it's about the battle, the battle to impose a certain political will on another people, how can you just occupy people's territory and continue to stretch your your boundaries, kill people, and what is appetite, appetite is a system where we have different laws for different groups of people and that is what is happening in in gaza and the west bank and the world leaders are sitting, this shows that really they are misleaders, they have no interest and the palestinian people have known this very rely on this so-called united nation security council as the harbinger for its political and economic resistance. they are going to take their own destiny into their hands, they have the mass people of the african continent in their in their back and we are going to. support them in whatever way that we can, and all well meaning forces around the world who

care about descent humanity, who care about democracy, who care about the wishes and aspirations of all the children and women and healthcare workers and teachers who are suffering in the occupied territory of palestine, should speak up, this is the time, this is the defining moment in the history of the working people of our country, we must stand fully behind the people of palestine, we must do whatever it takes. to ensure that the people of palestine are free and they are free forever, but as for the united states of america, this is really another indication that they cannot be the leaders of the world, they cannot set the... for us to move, this is their standard, this is the standard of the united states of america, this is their democracy, the democracy is to go and bomb hospital where people are seeking refuge, what, so the people that they bombed in in the hospital, what have they done, what wrong have they done, they're just seeking refuge, and you still attack them in the way and manner that they did, but i am devastated, we

are disgusted about the current events that is happening under the stewardship of the united states america, we condemen it in all manner of ways, we will resist all forms of oppression and exploitation, and the people of palestine will certainly be free. you know, you use the phrase, and that phrase is defining moments, if we're looking a defining moments and as you said, there needs to be things that need to be done in order to define the moment, as the phrase indicates, um, what uh steps can be taken in order for that to become a reality when it comes to israel, we can't look at... the way things were, the status quo is not going to be able to uh be maintained, that's an obvious, but uh, what kind of steps do you think needs to be taken uh, particularly countries that uh, in for example, countries in the region that have some kind of relationship with israel or even with the us, and other countries uh that have uh somewhat of a support for israel in

one form or another in order to uh have action. be taken and as you said for this defining moments to then be turned into reality? those mean those actions are clearly being taken already. mean, have you seen the mass demonstrations and protest that is happening around the world in solidarity with the people of palestine? this is unprecedented. i am so happy to see the majority of the people of the world standing up in defense of the people of palestine and you can see it all over, the flag of palestine. is all over, is raising new level of consciousness, especially in africa where there's been an attempt to make it seems like it is a fight between islam and christianity, which is not so, now all those dynamics are changing, the trends are changing, people are beginning to understand that this is imperialism and it speak, and for me these

are the objective factors that must mature, so the first answer to what are the clear, concrete action that must be taken is the... maturity of the objective factors and the objective factors for me seems to be matured with the mass protest, the mass demonstrations, the mass defiance of the united states of america are very clear, people have now understood very clearly that the us has no commitment to democracy and that the united, the united nations security council has no commitment to democracy, these are very clear concrete things, we shouldn't take them for granted, take the mass protest of people, the mass demonstrations for for granted, they are very important, they are very important political signals for this defining moment, but of course you are also right, in terms of the subjective factors more needs to be done, we need to see leaders in the continent of africa, we need to see leaders in in in the middle east, we need to see leaders in europe who care about the

working people of our country, we need to see movements continue to organize, to see how we can send ways of assistance to the palestinian people. organizations needs to discuss inmediately what are the concrete ways that we can use to support the people of palestine, because it happened to us in in south africa, there was mass aid and solidarity and movement of equipment and so forth to support the the the the how do you call it the liberation movement in south africa. and this is what this is what this defining moment presents. we shouldn't just sit aloof, organizations, movements, left political parties, every citizens of the world who have conscience and commitment to humanity, must see what little contribution they can do to the palestinian people, the palestinian people are at the center of the defining moment of the world history.

palestine will change the face of the earth, and this is the time we need to do it, we need to ensure that we are giving the people of... palestine all the support that we can in order to ensure that they defeat the united states of america, they they defeat the zionates, occupier and appetite redeem of israel, this is what we need to do now. thank you for that blala, we're going to cross on out to gaza city to talk to our correspondent, ashaf shanan who joins us, i'm sorry in khans, ashaf, tell us what's happening where you're at? well, again, we are still in the southern town of kanunis inside the uh nasir hospital throughout the day scores of of bodies and of injuries were brought in to the emergency room a few hundred feet behind me uh dozens of amins

coming in, people bringing dead bodies, bringing wounded in their private cars try to save their lives, this as the israeli israels continue to bomb areas over the town of khan. as well as all over the rest of the gaza strip, almost every part of gaza is being targeted, basis right right now, and the situation is only getting worse, more bombardment, even as we speak right now, while there is still no electricity, no running water, hardly any kind of internet connection in the gaz strip. and this under is taking place under the watchful eye of the international community, but as this humanitarian situation continues to deteriorate, life goes on in in the ghaza

strip and in khan, well uh, despite all of this, people are still walking around, i've seen kids today playing soccer, and other kids uh just watching, surprised that they still have. they still have it in them to play soccer, knowing that any moment they could be blown up to pieces by israeli fightership, fighter jets, they're very resilient, they're extremely stead fast, despite all the difficulties, and if you speak to anyone, they keep telling you that they are proud of what the resistance has done uh on on saturday, october 7. by attacking the israele regime and humiliating israely forces. couple things i need to ask you, first what is the state of the hospital? um, we know that obviously fuel is a minimum

and it's going to run out, and also in terms the injured, how they're being dealt with? okay, let's me talk first about the fact that um nearly 3,500 uh is people will kill. since the start of this uh israeli uh a blood b blood bath against the palestinians in gaza and some 13 others were injured uh most of them are children and uh the latest number i heard is that uh if i'm not wrong it's either i'm not sure i wasn't sure i heard someone saying it it's either 15 children, yeah, 15 children a day are being killed average, while around 16 people per hour are being

killed by the israeli regime, hospitals are barely functioning, and i'm going to talk about hospital, i'm talking about the main hospitals, main hospitals that's the the central hospital is shifa hospital in gaza and it's working on uh on on on extremely extremely limited uh source of energy supplied by uh gas stations who uh tried to keep the the hospital you know working but there are no beds there anymore in in shifa hospital uh they had to burry to hold the mass grave for for the for the victims of the israeli aggression. uh the the other the other major hospital in gaza is the the the marters hospital and their balah it's still

functioning but similar or worse than shifa hospital but the best functioning hospital so far is this one and and khanness because uh before this uh israeli unslot they had uh lot of of of of backup fuel in their tanks, the the underground tanks, they are much bigger than the ones in gaza for the fact that khan yunis itself is the biggest city in the ghaza strip. as you were talking uh, we were looking at some uh protests that are taking place in mansur over in egypt, tens of thousands of shown up there, and um again uh we're seeing these protests break up around the world. uh, which is uh in a sense uh very sad for it to come out to the fact that people have to uh override their officials who are not able to do anything to uh um make

sure that there's at least some kind of humanitarian aid coming. through the ghaza strip while uh there are people who are dying there palestinians who are dying whether the in the hospitals or what have you um let's turn to jamal juma, he's a founder and coordinator that that stop the well campaign if we have him with us in order to uh get some of his thoughts onto what's happening jamal welcome to the program are you with us yes i'm with you have the us president that came and visited tel aviv and visited uh israel and spoke to netanyahu that we understand that they had a war. uh cabinet uh meeting that took place and iran's leader has said that uh you know it's the us that is actually devising the plans uh with iran's president to have stated that uh the us has actually taken over uh israeli execution of uh what it has to do on the ground uh what what do you make of the us uh and top of that joe biden saying that he believes that uh israel was not responsible for that attack on

the hospital what do you make of the u.s. and its involvement at this point given the visit that the us president made to israel. yeah, i think it's not shocking for us as the palestinians, we know that our main enemy that all this long years and decades was the united states, the one who's backing israel to the bones with the with what they are doing and give its immunity against all its crimes against the uh palestinians, but this time it's like worse than any time before, they are joining the war on palestinians, they are... they themselves are taking the lead into into the attack and planning on on gaza and they are the one who's committing the massackers against the palestinians and this this is shows very well to the whole world not just to us as the palestinians that that the americans and is relation between americans and israel that it's like so closed that it considers as one of its states and they are the one the guardians of the the americans uh benefits and interest in the

middle. they are their forefront base clearly in the in this issue and the americans like any history, the history of americans is like it has been started and built on the crimes of genocide, so it's what what how they are supporting, supporting this genocidal war in gaza, for for us is became, it's shocking at the beginning, but like looking at the history, no, this is how they started, this is how they are, this is what they did in afghanistan, in iraq, and in all over. around the world from from japan to to vietnam to everywhere, this is their history b on blood shit and genocides and that's what they are doing to control to continue to control the world and to control the the people and and take over the resources and that's what happening clearly today more than any time before. um a day where you have the us president visiting um israel uh and this is

quite um i like it for you to put. into perspective, you have uh the us sanctioning um people who are affiliated with hamas, and those are people from turkey, from qatar, and a couple other regional countries. i'm talking about priority here, how the us can come out, place sanctions, and yet you have what's infolting in terms of the masker that has taken place, ie the palestinians who are suffering and are dying, are we? are we looking a region in terms of the countries in the in the west asia region who uh are not going to continue um with the us and israel in terms of the way they've dealt with the issue and basically uniting together against them? i think this has been clearly in the last like at least the last years the whole things became changing and particularly after the war in ukraine and after what happened in afghanistan when they run away from afghanistan so it's clear that the americans

is now and that's why... are coming this time heavily to back up their daughter israel is like because they are worrying about the last i would say strong base military and base in the middle east which is israel so it's clear that that the the countries in west asia is starting in way or another to say no and this is has been clear at least like and we start hopeful when the the whole agreement between iran and saudi arabia and the saudi arabia the didn't like obey the orders when they especially when to sanction russia when they in the war in ukraine so yeah and i think after this after this and this not aggression this is like as we say genocidal war on the palestinians and after that i think things is going to change the americans became more.