because if you say there's no political solution, which is the other side of the question that that i want to ask you, um, then uh, there should be a stop to the war until some solution maybe is reached, which that's a whole another discussion here, but i'm talking just purely in terms of the death toll here, shouldn't there be a reaction somewhere to stop that, well of course i believe that, i believe that there should be a military intervention of some kind, and what i said is as as a as a what i said as as a canadian lawyer, i can't evaluate, but for of example, we've read about a possible humanitarian intervention by turkey and russia, to break the siege and take food and water by ship into gaza, that would be interesting, i think that hezbollah can attack israel. and it's up to them to

evaluate the possibility and their military capacity, because i'm not, i'm look at me, i don't have a gun, i don't how to use a gun, um, your country is a steadfast supporter of palestine and would be justified in intervening in a my in a to militarily, what of i said is, i cannot evaluate exactly what is possible. given that i'm a pure civilian, but i fully agree with you that um some intervention is necessary, and the israeli uh, i i don't like using the word nazi, but they're acting like nazis, you know, i don't like using the word nazi, it's a sort of inflated term, but um, someone has to stop them, and but it's not just israel, it's the united states of america, which has supported israel for the last least 20, 30, 40, 50 years. after the british, and they are

supporting israel, lying about things, joe biden is presently, i think still in israel, and he said, oh, it was the other guys, destroyed the hospital, um, forget his senility, he's being supported by the us government, the pentagon, the leadership of united states, so this is where the military of and political. pressure has to be made, the us has to back off, and we understand how many aircraft carriers are there, two, i think was two, so hope we're on the same page, and hope i've clarified what wasn't clear from my end? no, no, you, you explained that, however, it still remains as to who is going to stop israel from continuing with this massacker, as we speak, the gaza strip is being bombed, and as we speak, which was

my initial question, the humanitarian assistance has not flown through, uh, looking at hospitals that have turned into more basically. um, this military assistance by the us, which we have known has taken place over the years, last week it was when israel requested assistance and hardware was uh landed in israel, and we also hear about some extreme cases, not perhaps covered, um, this was ' revealed by the investigative journal simore hershe about uh what has been well described in this headline as mass killing new bombs uh these are bombs that uh act like the the bunker busting bombs they have i think 35 to 40 meters of depth and will kill anything with a two within a 2 kilometer or three kilometer radius because it goes in line with the types of plans and uh statements made by the israeli prime minister of which the us uh secretary of defense we call theim a the military uh has acknowledged

that israel can conduct itself however way it wants to, i mean that's that's the that's the type of trajectory that the us and israel are on, that isn't that scary, isn't that shocking? i mean, if israel goes into the ghaza strip, estimates are putting at around 100,000 uh palestinians will be killed, we're going to be caught, you know caught in the crossfire, so something needs to be done, by the way, do you think that that's going to happen? well, um, like we like to know what's going to happen, we like to guess, we spend our time, our our days, looking at the news, probably you and i do, and trying to figure out what will happen, um, i personally have a sense of optimism, because of the isolation of of israel and united states and the isolation with even the united nations, which has been played a bad role in many issues, is standing strongly. is reasonably strongly on this

issue, so i'm kind of optimistic about a resolution, but people should not listen to me, because "i could be, i could be wrong, and what has to be happen is that there has to be a stop, um, and uh, but i can't answer your question in terms of what i think is going to happen, because um, it's changing every every hour, every hour things are are moving on. i, i still think the diplomacy and the pressure, international pressure is going against the us and israel." and we noticed that the king of jordan refused to meet biden, so yesterday was defeat for the us, um, mr. right, the the egypt is refusing to talk to them, egypt told tony blincon off and

was very impatient with him, saudi arabia made blincon wait overnight, as i understand, so the u.s. is on the defensive, and the the issue of course is um what's the next step and how strong is the resistance? i admire for example press tv for its strong stand on this. here in montreal we have had some very strong demonstrations, we're just one part of huge movement. we will be demonstrating this afternoon with um last saturday um last friday night it was like... i think 25 or 30,000 people protesting, here in quebec we have a tradition of solidarity with palestine, and we hope that that will be maintained, it is getting stronger, the entire world is opposed to the us and israel,

primarily the us, the us is the is the issue in in this, and israel is its colony and its colony has to be disbanded and the different solutions, either the two-state solution or one country from the from the river to the sea has to be the result of this present conflict and the negotiations which must happen after a ceasefire. okay, thank you for that. i'm going to bring in now from washington dc, dan cohen, he's a journalist and filmmaker who joins us. dan cohan, welcome to the program, the us president's visit to israel has been demed highly controversial in the type of message it sends in terms of his solidarity or support for the us uh just minutes ago uh there was some news that indicated that the us uh prior the biden had said louded to the fact that this attack on the hospital which i'm sure you're aware

of uh was uh not done by israel uh now uh particular source has said that uh the us has accused um the islamic jihad of this and saying that it stands behind. israel that it did not do it, but there's a key two words that it used there, highly likely, these are the same type of terminologies that were used in previous wars which are documented and the evidence is there where there were attacks on hospitals, attacks on schools, attacks on resid residence buildings where there was no sign of any hamas fighters uh of which uh it's showed intelligence just like it's phrased here um are we looking now at this narrative that the us is using in order to pursue um the agenda that israel has along with the us the palestinians in the ghaza strip? exactly, this is gathering of war criminals, mean the united states is not just

protecting and supporting israel, it's actually arming israel, mean the bomb that was dropped on the hospital in the ghaza strip that killed some 8 people who were sheltering from this genocide was almost certainly manufactured in the united states, that's where by by the the the weapons manufacturer boing, the united states produces israel's biggest bombs, i've seen them dropped on civilian targets in the gaza strip myself when i was there in uh the 2014 51 day war uh that israel waged against the the people of gaza so... so this is this is, i mean, we need to consider that the united states is not just complicit in this, but is actually part of it, it continues to arm israel to the teeth, well knowing that israel is lying, and the biden administration is now taking part in those lies, but as you pointed

out correctly, making sure to qualify what they say as we're almost sure we think, always giving these these these qualified statements, similarly, we saw... claim that uh the 40 israeli beheaded beheaded israeli babies uh lie was was true and you know he was pretty sure about that and based on what he had seen at the time, photos he claimed to have seen, and then he and then and then the white house retracted it, the very the very same day, um, a white house spokesperson, and then the photos that were distributed the next day by the uh netanyahu's office where there was one that was apparently made with artificial intelligence, and and even if it wasn't, none of these photos prove anything about these these ludicrous claims, as if what happened to in those israeli settlements was: is not horrible enough for for the israeli public, but the israeli government feels the need to lie to the public and then

to the to its own people and also to the west in order to generate blood lust. this is not about protecting the israeli public or or or anything like that. this is about getting israel, the israeli public so hyped up, desperate for genocide uh that it wants the government to do it, and which is frankly. very easy task when you distribute this kind of propaganda and similarly here in the united states, that's what that those lies also um pushed by all of our mass media, all of our politicians, you have um ron de santos, the presidential hopeful saying that palestinians from gaza are all anti-semites, even the ones that aren't affiliated with hamas and that they should never let be let into the country, and then what happens, a six-year-old palestinian boy was stabbed to death by fanatic in chicago so... this is pure incitement and blood lust and it's just the most shocking and cynical uh thing i've

ever seen. on that note, there are lots of hate crimes that uh are erupting across the world either pro or against uh the case that you mentioned obviously this palestinian six year old boy that was uh stapped 26-27 times um are examples that we're seeing in one form or another that are uh that constitute a hate crime uh and what we're seeing more of and that's going to be another huge challenge for israel, it's going to be what's happening in the occupied territories, uh, extreme settlers against palestinians or israelis against palestinies because of what has transpired now because of this war, uh, but but the the the way that israel and the us are obviously the us standly supporting israel and how they're moving forward, when we say that, we want them to stop is what we'd like to say, but do they have a choice, i mean it's... almost as if they were to backtrack there wouldn't be in israel because uh that would mean that it has um it's been

defeated and this is not just a regular defeat here, i think this time it's a turning point, do you think it's a turning point? absolutely, look at the position israel has put itself in, hamas carried out a massive attack on israeli settlements, the softest of targets surrounding the ghaza strip, um israel knew that hamas has very capable. military wing and tunnel systems where they can pop come appear over the border an instant that they have not been able to to uh effectively counter despite telling the israeli public uh they can and with billions of dollars of course by the united states, so they failed the israeli public massively, the israeli public is outraged at netanyahu and his cabinet, at the same time they've said, okay, so we're going to defeat hamas, which they've never been able to do, they've always promised. that too, they've never been able to do it, and this time the only way they can do it, they can kill as many civilians as

they want, commit as many war crimes, but they've told the only way they can do it is to invade the ghaza strip, carry out a ground invasion. now that is what the armed resistance of the gaza strip is waiting for, that is will be cakewalk for them. many people will die, but many israeli soldiers will die, and it will be in vain because they won't fundamentally be able to... uh defeat hamas without killing every last being um now so israel is frankly we've seen them waiting several days they've delayed again and again so they're losing their credibility if they don't do it and they're and then they're going to lose all their people if they do do it and of course hezballah has also said that if there is a ground invasion into the gaza strip and they will open up a front in the north in which case israel is fighting two fronts uh and hezbollah of course is much stronger than hamas, so in that sense israel

is in a very weak and difficult position, and then in the diplomatic sense, i mean the entire world is seeing what's happening, uh, the the overton window, you know, what kind the boundaries, the limits of discourse has shifted, you know, no one's talking about is israel the only democracy in the middle east anymore, now and no one's no one really questions as israel an apart state, now... the discourse is about ethnic cleansing and genocide, everyone saw the bombing of 800 people in a hospital. mean, this is not you know, we bombed um a bunch of hamas militants and they can claim that. i mean this is this is beyond doubt and this whole hazbara propaganda operation to say that the palestinians did it to themselves is falling flat on its face if you look at social media and outside of you know people who are glued to their televisions in the us watching cnn watching jake tapper and and wolf blitzer wolf blitzer the former apac agent um and

reading the new york times people see what reality is do you think china. and the russian the chinese and russian publics don't uh understand what's happening here, israel's destroying itself, where even saudi arabia doesn't even see israel as important anymore, so um, i mean what's happening here, i think we could see the end of the era of zionism, you don't want to, i'm not going to speculate, but i think the the end of the era of zianism could be approaching. all right, thank you for that, john philpot, international human rights lawyer. uh from montreal rejoins us now john philpott um taking a look at the uh political side of things here if we can call it that uh we're looking at an agenda by the us and israel uh to uproot palestinians um whether it's uh something you can call ethnically cleansed them out of the ghaza strip but uh plans for them to uproot them over overall um that's

being met by stiff resistance by the regional arab countries because they're calling this basically um i'm sorry another um way of uh pulling uh palestinians from their from their homeland and why should palestinians uh do that uh what types of plans do you think that you maybe have heard of that uh point to to solution i mean i think you you talked about how russia and uh uh china are using uh diplomacy in order to figure out some kind of solution here uh but in the longer term where do you see solutions? on this: the first thing is a ceasefire, and wars in gaza have often had cefires. i don't want to be naive, but a ceasefire is necessary, but not sufficient. um, the next step would be to

convene a kind of international conference. by countries with using international diplomacy, and there is some hope for that, given the weakness of the us, and the strength of russia, china, iran and other countries, and we've seen the diplomacy whereby your country um established a working relationship with saudi arabia, which is a big step forward in the world, so as mr cohen stated, and i agree with him, we see the end of zionism as a distinct possibility in the coming months, shall we say, given the

isolation of israel, moral and militarily. and the weakness of the us of course, and the next step would have to be some kind of international conference, with regional forces participating, and then the question arises, which is, shall it be a real two-state solution, like a real one where israel is divided in two, and not just this little tiny. colonies, the colonies, israeli colonies all over the west bank and little tiny islands of cities, that is not a solution. is there a real two-state solution possible or is there a single a single secular palestine from the river to the sea? these are political issues which will have to be resolved taking into consideration united

nation resolutions and the will of the palestinians and the will of... the possibility of negotiating with the zionists, which is difficult, extremely difficult, and the pressure from china, russia, your country, for example, syria, iraq, egypt, thank you, john, i'm sorry to jump in, i'm sorry to jump in, we want to cost on over now to the un security council, the representative from the russian federation is speaking, let's take a listen to him. martin griffids, учитывая текущую нестабильную ситуацию, критическое состояние, ambulances, staff, stretches and alternative accommodation. for the displaced persons, the air strike on the hospital, according to latest reports over 800 deaths and injuries.

are calling for an objective investigation to be carried out and for the perpetrators to be prosecuted. mr. president, colleagues, this is the price of the inertia of members of the council, many of whom have procrastinated over the past 11. days since the start of the escalation surrounding gaza, we warned you about this on monday, when a number of members of the council guided by in inverted commers purely humanitarian considerations, but actually by purely political considerations did not support the russian traft on the ceasfire. our document laid out number of specific, urgent measures designed to stop violence and... civilian suffering, designed to release the hostages and to prevent the impending humanitarian, to prevent the impending humanitarian disaster

in that part of palestine, and avoid the conflicts spinning over into other countries the region. given the extremely tense situation, action should have been taken very promptly. this is precisely why our draft did not contain political elements or views or... a mention of any party to the conflict that might have complicated reaching agreement on it. despite this, in full view of the international community, the un security council, the primary body for the maintenance of international peace and security was not in a position to adopt a decision that could have prevented the humanitarian tragedy in gaza. the council did not send a clear robust collective signal with a call for a swift, lasting, reasonable human. have seen the terrible fruit of this, once again it's become clear that the position of washington

and some other western capitals did not allow for natural logical decision to be taken, this given the current circumstances is an absolute key humanitarian, imperative and it is the moral duty of all responsible members the international community, further more humanitarian to consider the norms of international law and the root causes of why the palestinian question has not been settled. all things we've repeatedly and insistently stressed over recent years of course, don't count for them. mr. president, the number of injured and dead in israel was or dead and injured 1,400 and 3,900 respectively, the number of victims in palestine was more than 2,800 and 10,800. expectedly, and today these figures are even higher. as per un reports, 450 children have died in gaza and some 750 are still under the

rouble, the buildings destroyed during the air strikes. more than two million inhabitants of gaza still have no water, food, medical, fuel or electricity. the only border crossing on the border with egypt, the rafa crossing, once again is under missile fire and has not been opened up for civilian evacuations or the provision of humanitarian goods, de facto the military bloccade of gaza has held hostage 1,000 russian citizens and members of their families. given this very worrying situation, the un agencies, the who, unicef, the un fba with one voice condemned the strike on the al-ahli hospital and called for a prompt active protection of civilians and medical infrastructure: yesterday at the briefing on the situation in gaza, the deputy head of outsche, joey missouria noted that the number of victims of the current

escalation in the palestinian um israeli conflict that has gone on for 11 days, has already exceeded the number of victims that were killed during the hostilities in 2014, the path to that seats fire took some seven weeks, this cannot fail to horrify. humanitarian workers are dying, the number of people forced to leave their homes in gaza is about one million people. the humanitarian bloccade of the palestinian enclave is pushing the entire population to the brink, the population that de facto right before our eyes are being sacrificed. mr. president, we would urge the israeli side to prioritize international humanitarian law, at the center of which is the lives of palestinian citizens and supply emergency

humanitarian assistance to the effective areas of the palestinian enclave and to evacuate civilians an immediate cessation of violence against civilians as well, irrespective of where they live. in number of arab and european countries, there have been outbreaks of large scale unresp given the ongoing israeli missiles straights. in this regards we condemn the attacks on diplomatic missions in foreign countries or foreign states. mr. president, all that we're talking about just now is happening with the inaction the security which is paralyzed by the self-serving interest of some countries and with unilateral actions which not only have ended in complete failure but also have led to a widespread escalation of violence in the middle east region. mr. president, we are extremely concerned by the unprecedented scale of the humanitarian disaster in the

gaza strip. and the high risk of the conflict spillover. assuming the un security council is not able to come up with an appropriate response to these challenges, we will initiate a res, the resumed 10th emergency special session of the unga on the protection of civilians in palestine, in order to have a comprehensive discussion of the situation regarding the palestinian israeli conflict and ways to settle it. letter on this for the president of the ga has already been written and it will be dispatched forth with, thank you. i thank the representative of the russian federation for their statement and i now give the floor to the representative of gabon. live there at the un, you're listening to the representative of the russian federation who was speaking there uh

basically uh what he said, which uh is of importance is the fact that uh the uh resolution that russia had put forward was not something that the un acted on, and uh that was uh pure selfishness on the part of what he described in his uh towards the last statements, all of the all of this is happening uh in terms of an inaction due to the self-serving interest of some countries, that in some form or another is a clear reference to the us and of course the ones that did uh not up for the the russian solution to this, he said is a high risk of conflict spillover um and even at the end he said if the un can't come up with answer we'll have to force the discussion at the unga of which he said the letters have been the the communication has been sent out and has been dispatched uh but this uh not reaching an agreement seems to be at the thrust of what the representative of the russian federation uh spoke of there um there the majority of what he said relied on the humanitarian aspect of this in terms of getting some kind of help um on john

stepling, author and commentator um joins us from inderoy norway. john stepling, we just listen to the representative of the russian federation. i think in so many words uh what he was saying is in a sense the ineffectiveness of the un, and a particular uh one member that stands out when it comes to inefficiency, and that's the us, not to just zoom in on the us, there were others also who prevented days ago from this russian proposal to take place, and if it were, maybe we would be looking a different story today? well, it's certainly a referendum on on the un, we assume one is needed, i think they have proven their uselessness now for 20 some years, but but if ever there was an example of of the imbalance and and prejudices baked into the the structure of the un with the

security council and so forth. the us power to veto resolutions that condemn israel or anybody else that that they decide they don't want to to see criticized um it it becomes a little preposterous and i get the feeling that in terms of public awareness this is this is starting to sink in a little bit uh one doesn't feel that that um the uh the the un is taken very seriously uh by anybody anymore, the the public at at large, but but look, you know, the the the the strike on the hospital is perhaps now going to become the signature crime of the 21st century at this point, and and maybe for very long time moving forward, um, you saw israeli damage control u