tv SPOTLIGHT PRESSTV October 19, 2023 2:02am-2:31am IRST
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it's day 12 of the operation alaso flood and the israeli regime has continued its atrocities unabated, the most recent attack that took place, the hospital was targeted by israel, although it has denied the uh massacre that took place and has uh thwarted that responsibility and uh holding the islamic jihad uh to be the one that has done that with the us support was also indicated that israel is not responsible, just one of the many lies that has been uh given by israel when it comes to palestine and the uh of massacres that have taken place such as the previous wars. in this edition of the spotlight we will discuss uh... the way that
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the international community has failed when it comes to the palestinian cause, in this case the massacker by israelis and how a regional countries perhaps can unite in order to uh not have the un forum be a guide here to stop israel from doing what it's doing and perhaps uh even have their formation be the one that may prevent the continuation of this massacre. let me introduce our guest for this netfa freeman is a coordinating committee member. at the black alliance for peace who joins us from washington dc, i'm sorry, sid nam, professor of political science at bursaid university who joins us from romala and nepfa freeman, coordinating committee member of the black alliance for peace who joins us from washington dc. welcome to you both uh saden, so uh, let me start with you, and uh, in terms of the way that uh, we're we're looking at. the developments in the
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region on the diplomatic side and the push for uh stopping the massacker that's taking place, we've seen two things happen, one the failure of the un where they were again not able to come up with any type of solution, of which the russian envoy slammed to the un for that, at the same time uh we're seeing uh what for example has happened in jedda in saudi arabia with the oic, ivan was in attendance, other persian gulf countries of the arabs, arab countries of the persian gulf were also... presence and they were united in the way that they thought israel should be punished for this amongst other things, where do you think the failure is coming on the un side of things and in terms of the regional countries how they've united to perhaps make something happen to help the palestinians? good evening for you and all your viewers and also your guests, your guest, well i think the um password for what you asked. for this
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question is usa, it's united states, they are pressurizing the united nations, especially in the security council, they were very influential in the issue of not to get the resolution coming through the russian russian suggestion, and also the same thing happened with the two events, not only the islamic countries who met in in riad, but also in during the... arab summit or or the foreign ministers of the arab summits which you the the um the statement came out was not only very weak and very bad but also it was very much influenced by the united states so what we are talking about now that the role of the united states in the whole war this war in in in palestine israel is a player but the major player here is the united states. they are
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encouraging israel and they are the one who are trying also to push things out, the meetings that they had with the even the war cabinet, whether it was blinking or even biden today, it was so clear, and just now, of after the meeting, netanyahu is saying that we are preparing for something like big and we will change the whole situation for our sake. okay, what kind? of plans do they have, we don't know, i will remind you with something, in the year 2006 and during the war on lebanon, when the israeli felt that they are losing the battle to hizbollah, they tried to get out of the battle and to stop to see fire, but it was at that time kunderiza rice, and she was still pushing them, no, go ahead, go ahead, don't stop, don't stop during olmart when he was the prime minister in israel at that time, so it was clear. that
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the american are the major player, the american from their point of view, i believe, now in the middle east, it's the major battle for them, and it's maybe more important than the ukraine issue. why it is important because yeah well hold to your thoughts so let me let me get enough freeman in here do you agree with that is the us now the major player mean after all we've never had uh according to our um records that that's out there a us president to come into i don't know if i should call the war zone but in a zone that's obviously filled with this type of conflict that uh that exists and also then showing um its support for israel with the 2000 sailors with the two aircraft carriers what? your thoughts, is the us the major player here? i agree wholeheartedly. i don't even know what i can add to with the your guest has said, i i think the analysis is spot on, and that what, well, what i can add that um, that this what's happening now and what the people, palestinian people and the
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people of of gaza, all the people of gaza are being subjected to, is a shift in attention the us, eu, nato access of domination, they their uh intent on waging war against the people of the global south around the world, um, the palestinian people have been subjected to this since for 75 years of since the establishment of this israeli zionist state, um, and right now, after this failed proxy war in ukraine, they're turning their position to here, they didn't, i don't think they expected the at the attack that they got the israeli state expected the attack they got, that's why they're putting all of they can, all they can into the problem propaganda apparatus of this, getting people um to to to single out and the sector of the palestinian uh um resistance to the occupation and the resistance to settler colonialism um and try to make pennet on them and and use that as an
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excuse for the continued genocide against the palestinian people and so we should as in the black lines for peace we stand with the people of gods and all palestinian people under occupation and the racist aparthi settler state of israel and that we will not be golded into a white supremist settler colonialist media uh that singles out of for condemnation any sector of the palestinian resistance that's not our place to do that um and so anyone who does so who is not a palestinia is out of place and and and is uh siding casting the lot with with racist zionism i'd like to ask you sadnim based on your expertise it it appears and and you said there was a war uh cabinet session that happened and of course while us is there with israel that they are going to do to partake in some kind of military action which all uh fingers point to them moving um with towards that ground invasion um so so we we know that
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that may be happening and it's on the high side what about the regional countries do you think that the us is expressing to them what it's going to do and if so the us has plans in place do regional countries do you think have plans in place? except for the announcements that have been made by hisbul, maybe the resistance factions and iran. right, okay, um, well, first of all, let me say that what they agreed with netanyahu on is a big plan for the region, it's you to clear gaza, totally clear gaza from the population and get them out of gaza, most probably to senai, and the statement came out today by cc, the president. of egypt talking about that, it means that there is talks with the cc and egypt by the the americans, though he refused the idea that to move the people to the palestinian people to to sinai desert, but this is the plan since you know long time, not just you know recently, so we
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believe that the israel are going to continue in this plan in bombarding gaza and pushing the people out of ghaza in in order to achieve that goal. they will get into the ground invasion, it was said today in the jerusalem post, one of the israelly most prominent newspapers in english in jerusalem, it says that the plan was on friday or saturday to do the and then the american postponed them till this meeting with biden today, so we believe this, yes, the ground invasion is coming and israel are going to come into gaza, but first they will have. a week of really very heavy bombardment to gazza in order to push the people out to the south as far as they could get them to the south and in such case yes you are absolutely right, i think that will turn this battle into a regional war and definitely hizballah
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who had indicated many times that if the israeli entered ghaza in a ground invasion hizballah is not going to stay calm and the americans said don't worry about it for the israel we will take care of hizballah, we have we will take care i the americans promised the israelies that they will take care of hizballah meaning that they are going to take the batt. is there and they will fight hizballah with their air strikes on on on lebanon, but at the same time we are talking about you know other regional parts, we know that in yemen they said that if the americans start bombarding hizballah in such case, definitely we are going to bombard all the american bases in the gulf states and the same did hizballah of iraq, the irakis also did the same and they today they sent some missiles to - one of the american paces, so we are talking about a really a regional war.
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now how the the americans calculate that? yes, we are depending now on their arrogance about we can do that, we are you know power, we are you know, and they want to show something in the middle east and to rearrange the middle east once and for all from their point of view, to put israel as the master in the whole middle east, and this is the plan from their point of view, but would that be successful or not? i don't think so, because you have also jordan, you have lebanon, you have people are not going to to be silent according to to when it comes to this concern, so i believe that would be at the battle of the middle east. all right, so so mean, freeman, our guess there talks about the us plans along with israel, but at the end says that that's not going to work out really, because not work out, but it's it's end up in a defeat, i'm sure the us has and israel have uh and their um ministers of
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military affairs have uh painted all the different scenarios and if it ends up in defeat then why partake in it, but then the question comes about that there's no turning back for israel on this matter, so is the only option left for a military one uh which will engage the region into a all-lot war? well, i think military option has been the only thing left to imperialism for quite some time now, they're proving that, and that they, and i think their ultimate defeat is that the the rest of the world is not with them on this, i mean some i'm based in washington dc, and regular people are getting bombarded with all this very one-sided uh depiction of what's going on here, but any of us who pays attention to what's going on, the demonstrations, even inside. in washington dc and and within the united states but also around the world um that there everyone is
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opposed to what's going on here as opposed to israel as opposed to united states position uh on this and that they are for the palestinian the cause and resistance so that in itself uh means that they are fighting an unwinnable uh situation, it's a reactionary situation, but i think it's also one of desperation that speaks to their. inability, i mean they can't really accept um any anything that's not under their domination, and then like the speaker said, leveling gaza and and taking away all of every aspect of palestine and the west bank is and putting it under their control has been their agenda for a long time and i see this as opportunity to to do that, um, but at the in the end it really is not something that's uh that's accomplisheable because the rest of humanity is against it. all right, you talked about how uh, the sad nemer that the us wants to along with israel, um uproot the palestinians
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and uh, the ground invasion is uh going to be the precursor to that, and then eventually they want to move them to the south and then into egypt. now we know that the egyptian president has rejected that idea, he had he has come out and said that uh, it was proposed by the us uh and said that the us told him that if you do that and accept the palestinians we're going to erase the debt that you have. now um some are saying, well egypt has to say that, because uh, it has to show some kind of objection, because if it doesn't, then it's going to have the wrath of the people, the egyptians on it, because egypt is on the payroll, just like jordan is the us, so do you think that egypt is just giving lip service on that on that idea, but in essence it has to listen to the us, absolutely, yes it is ellip service, not more than that, but we know that by the end of the day the meeting. which was cancelled yesterday, it's supposed to have jordan, egypt, the palestinian authority and baiden
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in, what are they going to discuss? we know what biden wanted, and biden make it very clear, even after the bombardment of the baptist hospital in gaza, he went out and said, well it's not israel, it's you know the internal issue, palestinian bomb bombarded that, it's not israel, so what he is going to disc discuss with egypt and jordan and the palestinian authority, definitely they were talking about you know eliminating the palestinian resistance in the gaza strip as well as in west bank because there were als so some negotiations between the israelis, jordanians, egyptians and the palestinians, to eliminate the palestinian resistance in the west bank, and the palestinian make it very clear that we can't get into the palestinian refugee cams especially in west bank, so it will be your role to do it. that was so clear and everybody knows it, so what
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they were talking about is to eliminate the palestinian resistance. not only in gaza but also in the west bank, and it's so clear that that's the idea beiden have it, and the cc in this case, after what happened last night and all the demonstration that came out even in egypt and the criticism to egypt that if you are sovereign country, how come you can't control one crossing on your own soil, you know, which is rafah cross. to to gaza, because the israeli prevented him of doing that, so he wanted to show at least you know some dignity in this respect, and that's i think it is, yes, as you describe it is, service. all right, that's a very good point that he makes their and in terms of how egypt is not opening up the crossing and could say no to the us and could say no to israel and
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let aid in, but it's afraid of the obviously the the people who uh pay them in particular. the us um since you talked about the fact that there are protests in washington uh dc, well there's been protests all around the world perhaps unprecedented, i shouldn't say perhaps, it is unprecedented due to the large volumes of uh, not only the number of incidents, but also the number of people who have come out, do you think that makes a difference uh in in the bigger picture that they can perhaps um have some kind of sway when it comes to the politicians, and by the way, it also shows how wide... uh the the the divides when it comes to the people supporting palestine and the officials of their country respective countries who actually uh support israel, not support, but who have relationship with israel, so and want to think want to just make sure that the viewers know that the the demonstrations around the world with washington dc is not
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the only place within the us that there's demonstrations new york all across in california all of. they've been having large demonstrations in support of the palestinian people and and that should be understood. i don't believe i, i don't believe it will have much of sway on us policymakers, we're seeing all of them, they they're really just dionist, and the congress, the senate, and definitely the presidency, it's a prerequisite to be a zionist um and and be in office here, except for you have some that some of these new progressive. seeming you know uh politicians that have emerged but they're very isolated and even them are equivocating on the issue and and having to you feel like there's some condemnation of the quote on quote both sides and that they're not actually getting they will not be able to speak on the root and fundamental nature of it which is settler colonialism and people forget the united states is the
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settler coloniaus country it's just not a clony state and that uh and so and it's been so normalized and resistance of the indigenous people and the confinement of them is is so sort of uh neutralized and controlled that people people don't realize it, but i think that what i the th answer to your question is that there's a lot of uh uh the media here down plays the demonstrations and the up i don't think and that the policy makers when we talk about countries i think we have to put it in sort of a class situation here so if we talk about egypt we're talking about the... and egypt and power not the masses of egyptian people, we're talking about the united states is the same way, and they've been able to confine uh and and wide out the the outcry of the people and and show that they don't, it doesn't matter what the people say, they're going to do whatever, they they've destroyed libya, they destroy went and invaded irak, so you know they'll do whatever now, they're set on
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it and really feel like their disposition in the world is dependent on uh full spectrum dominance regardless of what the masses of the people say. all right, someone, the scenario that you painted uh where you said the israel's going to move in with the ground invasion, you're going to have the us assist uh israel to make sure that it doesn't fall short or get defeated there. you know uh at the same time you also said that uh you're going to have perhaps then the regional front open opening up such as hezbollah which may pull in other countries into this. well if we're looking at that scenario through the eyes of the us and israel, they're very well. that those are the risks that they want to take, even though many are saying that the us is doesn't have an appetite for a wide regional war, but if it happens and those um those scenarios uh play out um "the regional countries, i'm sure on the one hand want to defend palestinians, but on the other hand don't want to have a war, so that has to pull in uh the us in terms of getting either the
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their okay or not, do you think uh that the us is telling them, we're going to do what we're going to do, no matter what you think? yeah, maybe at the beginning the americans were evaluating the situation and maybe they didn't want the things to get even ' bigger than what it is and to to remain in gaza, otherwise they it was so clear that the american administration had sent so many messages to lebanon particularly from under the table if you like to threaten lebanon that if hizballah interfered we are going to interfere and all these kind of things, so i think at the beginning they wanted to stop that, but now it's quite clear after the visits of blincon to the region. and to the to israel many times and now the visit of biden, it's for the very first time ever that
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president of united states would come to visit a country when she when it is in war, like what's going on today and because netanyahu declared this is a war, so how come is that, and it's also for the very first time ever that a president of united states is attending a meeting of the... war cabinet of another country, you know, it's so clear that now the american are pushing towards that, now how what what would be the end? it's always the same, it's always the same, you know, you are talking about you know the thinking of power, thinking of arrogance, thinking of generals who could put map in front of them and say, okay, we'll go from here, we'll go from there, we'll do this, well do that, but what is the aftermath, this is well, but they fail when it comes to
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history, so what happened like in iraq, okay, they've occupied iraq, and what happened, it became now the opposite, totally the opposite of what they wanted, so i think that in so many areas, they have power, they could occupy, yes, we know that, but what's the aftermath, to be realistic, we are not. saying that maybe the palestinian resistance in gaza is going to invade israel, this is absolutely out of the question, we know the power of israel versus the power of the palestinian resistance, but the defeat that the israeli have, the mentality of defeat that they had, and especially if hizballah interfered also in this battle, in such case we say that we would won this battle for the palestinian sake. thank you for that, we're going to end it there. fresh out of time sad nember professor of political science at burset university and netfa freeman, thank you, coordinating committee member of the black alliance for peace. that brings us to an end for this edition of the spot life from
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fenoside in gazas, hundreds more palestinians are killed after israeli military targets hospital in the besieged territory. pro-palestinian rallies continue across the world and the head protesters urged international criminal court to stop israeli genocide of palestinians. and the leader of iran's islamic revolutionar khamenee deplores israel's genocide in gaza saying regime should be put on trial for its crimes.
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