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hello and welcome to press tv spotlight, i'm marsia hashimi, thanks so much for being with us. meetings are being held, resolutions are being proposed, but still there is no relief for 2.2 million palestinians in gaza. the bombs continue to exploded, missiles continue to be fired and palestinians are continuing to be killed. it doesn't matter that half of the population is under 18, there is no safe place in gaza where over 4700 people have been killed by the israeli regime with 1800 of them being kids. how many dead palestinians are enough for the zionist regime in gaza as day 16 comes out. and goes,

but i'd like to welcome my guests to the program, out of london, sammy ramadani, academic and writer, and out of tripoly, libyaan academic and journalist mustafa faturi, thank you both for being with me, i'd like to start this off in london and samy, um, design. is completely acting like a mad dog out of control in gaza. what do you think its ultimate goal with this war on the people of gaza is? i think this genocidal war against the palestinian people has to be viewed within a historic sense, which is that the zionist regime has been trying to expel the palestinian people from their homeland for the past 75 years. they have already

expelled millions of palestinians by force from their homeland over the many decades and they are trying to do the same in gaza, their objective. is to drive out the palestinian people, and in the meantime, the only way they think they could achieve it is by killing as many people as possible, as you pointed out, over the half the population of gaza are actually children, over a thousand children have already died in this vicious bombardment using the latest weapons supplied by washington and other western allies, it's... it is truly genocidal war and the world has to act, has to try and force israel to stop this genocide. uh, well mostafa, sami talked about the genocidal war taking place in gaza, but it's not just gaza, i mean if we look at what is happening on the west bank

right now, we're looking at 90 people have been killed since october the 7th, um, the oppression is. continuing attacks are continuing and on saturday alone 41 palestinians were injured and today two others were killed and so let's look at this side of things because in god they talk about hamas and here on the west bank i mean what is the regime trying to do there well thank you for having me and thank you for coming it's it's actually part of the same story as my colleague. sammy mentioned, it's the attempt of the israeli regime to break down the palestinian resistance, the first wall and second to banish any resistance movement inside palestina or outside palestine from ever ever again thinking about resisting the

occupation or attacking what they call israel, proper israel, the land that's occupied in 1948. when the israeli entity was created first and tear the most of all of course to kill as many palestinians as possible, and as you have mentioned, there is no hamas in the west bank, there is no music festival over there, and there is no, you know, nobody actually is doing anything to the israelis and they they are, they have free hand to go and come. whenever they want and the rest people and demolish buildings and just today they bombed two mosks i believe in the in the west bank especially in the jen refugee camp so the the idea is is is always the same regardless if there is hamas

here or there or islamic jihad here or there or any other group is it's the same policy genicidal policy to kill as many palestinians. possible and if we recall in the first day in the 7th of october when hamas successfully attacked inside israel itself, the spokesperson of the israeli army specific when he asked about the possibility of mounting the minion casualties in gaza he said, it's not about the casualties, it's about, it's not about... precision, it's about the damage, how much damage we can do, and since the war has been declared in gaza, if we notice there has been no specific goal or objective of this war other than wiping out hamas, but practically, in in terms of

military practices and terms of military operations, what does wiping out a ghost army? hamas does not have military installations, does not have baraq? does not have radar stations, does not have surveillance, electronic surveillance equipments to be hacked, does not have tank battalions, does not have control rooms where top leaders can control and direct the army or the vitters in metal, doesn't have any naval installation, does not have any air bases, so what does exactly mean wiping out hamas i it's actually means wiping out as many palestinians as possible umbushing them if possible out of gaza all together. well sam you heard the point that mostafa just made wiping out as many palestinis as possible because when you're talking about uh

resistance they're trying to as they say um wipe out hamas but when you're talking about uh an occupied or in this situation is being against these people in gaza, of course they have the right to resist, and can you ever wipe out a resistance, when resistance comes from the people. as natural response to the oppression that they're enduring. i think you make a good point, and this is the lesson of history, not just in palestine, but across the world, wherever there were occupations, extreme forms of oppression, wars of genocide, they have always ended in the occupied people, and the people are the subject of extreme oppression. of rising up and the aggressors, the occupiers being

defeated eventually, and israel hopes by displacing the palestinian people, they can change this historical trend and achieve what they want, but i assure you there is no way on earth that israel can, this israeli regime, this fascist regime can actually defeat the palestinian people, people in themselves are extremely strong, determined to in their land, those who have been forced out in the past in 1948 and 1967 are determined to go back, and something also historically quite important that has happened in recent years is that the palestinian people are no longer alone, the palestinian people, despite the betray of some arab regions have acquired very powerful friends, they have power for alliances now amongst resistanm forces across the region, whether you're talking about the aggression

against the yemeni people and how the yemeni resistance became so powerful, they are now strong allies of the palestinian people, same in iraq which was the subject of of vicious american occupation, over million iraqis were killed, there is also, there was also a resistance movement against the us occupation and some of the... resistant forces in iraq are have also declared a strong alliance with the palestinians, move on to lebanon, powerful lebanese resistance movement is very strong of the palestinian people, so the the palestinian people not alone, they have a strategic depth, and these powerful resistance forces also have strong allies, whether it's in iran or syria or. even across the world, you're talking about countries from venezuela to china, so really the israel

is acting against a historical trend and they will eventually, this israeli regime will eventually be defeated. washington, london, paris, these western powers that supply the weapons of to to israel will also be be defeated in the region, they use israel as powerful base against the peoples of the region, they think by by planting so much weapons on of mass destruction inside inside occupied palestine, they could threaten and intimidate the people of the region, divide the area, act as as sabateers, supporters of terrorist organizations, israel and the united states have supported terrorist groups whether and iraq or syria or lebanon even, so you've got a problem here, which is that the

the the united states hopes to to dominate the region through its proxy forces and israel is their biggest proxy force, but the people of the region are hundred times stronger today, and i i think looking at the balance of forces, these resistance forces will eventually win. okay. well mustapha, what is it about this particular war on gaza um that the israeli regime's western backers are not even mentioning the necessity for immediate ceasefire. the us has a draft resolution right now in the un, requiring essentials to be allowed into gaza, but doesn't call for seasfire nor a humanitarian pause uh your take? no, we we also have seen. yesterday or the day before two draft resolutions, one submitted by brazil and the

other one by russia and they were vit, because the western i mean the americans specifically insisted on condemning the resistance, the palestinian resistance without actually calling for seas fire. i i think what the what what the draw the west so mad actually is especially the united states, they are acting very. directly is the fact that this is the this is the first time in 75 years of occubation that palestinian group manages at this scale with such planning and sophisticated training apparently to penestrate inside israel, this is this has never been, this has never happened before since 48, mean despite the six or seven wars between israel and the arab countries, nobody managed to enter what they call proper israel, except for this time in the 7 of

october, so the the idea as as i said before after driving as many palestinians as as possible off the face the face of the earth completely, the the second idea is to give a lesson that any resistance movement contemplating or thinking about going inside israel, which is legitimate of course because they are defending themselves, the palestinians in this case, they they should they should think twice for three times about it, because it's for the first time time we see israeli citizens who are mostly illegal immigrants in my opinion living in in shelters outside their homes and living in tents, we are seeing refugees, israeli refugees inside the properties, especially the area around around gaza, and there is

regime, especially the terrorist mr netan, they want to teach us a lesson. whether the palestinians or their supporters across the world, as mentioned by by my colleague, sammy, they want to teach us a lesson, never to think about this again, but but but the the the what they are forgetting is that we discovered, just for starting this 7th of october, we discovered that most of the israeli bowers actually does not exist, it it doesn't make any sense at all, and they have... failed in terms of the intelligence, they have failed in in terms of the military and they have failed actually in dividing any specific or clear objective of this war as i mentioned before, and of course they are capable of killing thousands of palestinians as we have seen so far, but that that will not be victory persay. right, well uh, simon,

what about that, mustafa talked about what happened on october 7th and what the palestinians were able to do, and many islands are saying that the whole situation has changed, parameters have changed now since october 7th and will never return to the way it was uh mostafa mentioned about the uh zinis now actually also uh being up rooted whether we're talking about the northern um occupied territories, the southern occupied territory. is right now, so i like to hear your perspective on that? yes, i think there is, there is definite change in the balance of forces after 7th of october, the palestinian resistance for the first time have shown themselves to be quite a powerful force, a force which is not only sophisticated in terms of its own planning,

military planning, political planning, also i think one one important point that the israeli regime and western powers underestimate is that the palestinian resistance is not just few hundred or few thousand fighters, it's really the overwhelming majority of the palestinian people, even those families today that are losing their babies, their children, their loved ones, they come out and say israel is not going to drive us out, we want freedom, we will resist this uh genocidal war, so there is incredible determination amongst the palestinian people, whether in gaza, whether in the west bank, whether in their refugee cams in the in the region across the world, palestinian refugees have spread across the

world, millions of them, their determination, their love of palestine. their love of their homeland, the the the incredible loss they experience over so many decades, has not beent their determination, they are truly incredible people in terms of their their love of freedom, love of their homeland, their their determination to achieve victory, and this is the secret weapon that the palestinian people have, and this is the secret weapon that neither washington nor tel aviv is... israeli regime fully comprehend and understand, there is definite shift now in the balance of forces, because the palestinian people have been able to show this determination. uh in action and that is a quite a historic achievement, also they have shown that this so-called powerful israeli army, the fourth strongest in the

world, the only nuclear power in the middle east and so on, is ultimately an extremely vulnerable force, to rely on eliminating people and waging wars of genoside will not save this fascist regime in telaviv, so okay so they they have some lot of actually jewish people are also standing against israeli regime today, that's important to point out, ordinary jewish people across the world have joined in these mass demonstrations across the poll in support of the palestinian people and in opposition to zionism. okay, well let me get mostafa in here, the last question, mostafa, uh, we talked early a little bit about the resistance, i want to talk about the expansion. the expansion of this war with other forces getting involved, um, we know, as sammy had pointed out about the yemeny forces and what happened, and also we know

about hezbullah, and the overall situation in region, i mean your take about that possibility, well that's a very serious possibility, and it could be threat to the entire region, we heard yesterday and today as well, the the foreign serve the islamic republic of iran explaining the fact, reiterating what he has said about few days ago that they the whole region is like like it's a volcano, it could explode that any time if there is the the science, the science go on killing the palestinian in gaza, of course we have to remember that israel, not only palestine, but it also cupies parts of the lands. of syria as well as in lebanon, and that's the reason why hasballah is fighting over there, and we have seen

hizbullah fighters, launching small operations here and there, depending in the situation and how develops inside palestine, especially inside gaza over the next couple of days, the whole the whole region could explode, plus there's another very... strong sentiment, brow palestinian sentiment around around the the the countries around the occupied palestine, be it in jordan, be it in egypt, be it in syria, be it in as far away as morocco, and libya, and and everywhere and iraq, almost everywhere, and that public opinion, that public anger has to be you know, kind of a channel. towards the the the occupied palestinian land somehow and if there is no seas fire soon or lifting of the embargo and gaza all together, i think the

whole barameters, not only if the conflict will change, but also the political situation around the around the israeli entity will change, and i think the the the the the the idea of... formalizing tires with israel as we have seen over the last two years or so, i think that will that will stop for now, at least for for at this point, okay, and on that note, thank you both for being with me, sami ramadani, academic and writer out of london, mustafa faturi, libyan academic and journalist out of tripla, thank you, thank you, and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight, i'm should be signing out for myself and other crew right here in tehran, see you next time.

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the ways that the israeli occupation is: using to fight against education in palestine are not limited to the prevention of building and developing the educational institutions. when the israeli occupation bombs empty ajaken places, this destroys the classrooms. despite the heart conditions and the crippling seat on gaza, i advise all male or female students who study at university to continue with studying. we are nation that deserves to live indeed.

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