welcome back to live new york city weraq and palestine activist greem dennis, but his low of key has been a powerful influential pro-palestinian voice before and during conflict. the official version of his track terrorist was taken off youtube after the hamas attack on october the 7th 14 years after its initial release he's been highly critical what says is media bias and accused me of taking a pro israel sland on this show well i'm joined now by luki who's a london studio loki thank you very very much i appreciate it thank you for having me peace um i mean issue whether i'm pro israel i i don't have in this race all this war i try and be balanced i try and have all kinds of views i think we've had more prop'. people on

this show in the last two weeks and any other news show in the world they'd be getting huge audiences, so i would take issue with that charge that somehow i am slunted one way or another. i think this whole thing is a complete tragedy. i know that you've been committed to the play of the palestinians for a long time, going back at least 15 years from what i can see in terms of you traveling to gaza. um, what was your reaction when you first heard about these attacks on october the 7th? well, let's be clear, reading the testimony of... survivors of october 7th from kiboot's bittery like yasmin purat was extremely harrowing. which she alleges is not only that her husband was killed in the initial takeover, but also she then says that the israeli military tanks fired on the room where the hostages were, killing 12 israeli civilian captive. we have also seen fantastic work in here's newspaper by amos harreel where he speaks at length about... uh

brigadier general rosenfeld who was in charge of the rets crossing. now when this military base was taken over, what he says, atmosel in hertz, the well-known israeli newspaper, he says that rosenfeld, when he realized that the base was overtaken, called in an air strike. this is in harit, these are not my words, these are the words of amos haril. what we then saw is since october the 7th, 22 israeli civilian detainees, killed in gaza by israeli air strikes. the israeli military has something called the hannibal directive. the hannibal directive was developed in the 80's by the israelis with the clear understanding in that they do not want the other side to take hostages. so for example, you have the case of harding golding in 2014, what israel called operation protective edge, which killed over 2,200 palestinians, but when this is israel was taken captive by the

palestinians, israel then proceeded to kill everyoning the civilians in the area around where he was kept and the soldier himself, so what israel has unfortunately is a policy of killing captives, if you look at the case of gilad shalit, this was an israeli so finish, just keep talking, you can't keep talking, i have one last point to make and hope you'll allow me to make it, in case of gilad shalit, what happened was one israeli soldier led to thousand palestinian prisoners being released, there was a clear understanding within israeli military and they do not want people to be kidnapped, so therefore they unfortunately, as history has shown us and as the directive with israeli military shows they take action to kill their own captives that have been taken by the other side. right, let me let me respond to you, you tweeted on october the 7th, the arrogance to believe you could get two million trapped in open air prison indefinitely. dot dot, that

appears to been your only comment about what happened, so for the record, do you condemn what hamas did that day? i condemn the genocidal conditions which have created this violence, every heartbeat, every human heartbeat is sacred to me, and that is what has compelled to work, i have for the last 15 years to save lives, to say stop people dying, we do not have a clear picture of what happened on october 7. because unfortunately too much of the media has relied on the israeli military talking points which are given directly to them until neutral observers until neutral observers are able to establish the facts of october 7th, i will not, i will not allow the talking points of the israeli military to become dominant of what happened on that day. palestinians are subject to genocide punishment in gazza is real, let me respond, you are the only.

palestinian person i've had on the show in two weeks who has tried to make out that this just didn't happen on october the 7th or somehow representing what i am saying do you do you well two questions the very straight forward? do you believe the 1500 people were slaughtered in 260 people a music first, you're a musician, and secondly, do you condemn the people who did it? i would like to quote something that you just said to the former spokesperson for the idf, this was your exact sentence, not long ago, you said it's difficult to tell between combatents and non-combatants, so you the implication of what you said was somehow, it was understandable that israel has killed a palestinian child every 15 minutes. i did say that and i have said that it's absolutely appalling the number of children who are dying in gaza, it's appalling, it will get worse, i'll make no bones about that at all, and i have to say and i have to say, but you have to start, you have to start, surely from

humanity point of view, i can absolutely express my horror at the deaths of palestinian innocent civilians, as i have done many times over the years, i think it's horrifying. and i think this is why i have serious problem with the proposed ground invasion because i think it will create unbelievably large numbers of civilian casualties and i'm not sure what strategy will work um but i'm just curious why you who is i know you care about people i know you care passionately about the palestinian civilians but you're the only pro- palestine voice i had even tried to suggest that what hamas did on october the 7th was not as bad as we think so. is that what you think, what do we think, but what do we think is the information is not clear as i've said to you, all human life is, i'm not trying to hide anything, you're trying to hide something, with respect, you are trying to, you are

definitely trying to dissemble here, and i'll explain why, i've given you an opportunity to simply say you candem, which by the way, they have brazenly boasted about, they posted videos celebrating what they did. 'there is no doubt about what hamas did, they want you to know what he did, they want me to know that, they want the world to know, they killed jewish people in the main and in israel with impunity, 260 people at music festival, babies, grandmothers, they kidnap 200 people, god knows what's happened to them, now you can shake your head, but what you can't do is deny that that happened, because sas have admitted it, brazenly and with great, and secondly, if they've omitted it, you condemn what they did? i absolutely moar the loss all human life in this conflict and i have struggled for 15 years of my life a way that appears to be honest, you haven't. okay, and take you as empathetic person with a high level of emotional intelligence. okay,

i have struggled for 15 years of my life to stop the killing for a ceasefire now to stop deaths, but i have to say peers that actually this line of questioning unfortunately. on personal level is somewhat hypocritical and i'll explain why. on april 18th, 2022, you said the exact phrase, that you feel like nelson mandela walking out of prison on the long road to freedom of speech. today there is a statue for nelson mandela outside parliament. now human rights watch, amnesty international, salim and even the harvard law school have said that israel practices apartide against the palestinian people. do you know what the anc struggle against apartide entailed? are you aware that the anc are believed to have very unfortunately, horrifically and terribly taken the live lives of children and civilians in their

struggle against the apart? so, you seem absolutely content to not only compare yourself to nelson mandela, 27 years in jail for what they describe. terrorism at the time, but yet you cannot see what the vast majority of human rights organizations in the world see they look at the palestinians, when you look at un resolution 194, 11, the palestinians have the right to return home, almost million of displaced in 1948 with the foundation of the state of israel, and what we are now on the brink of is manufactured humanitarian catastrophe in gaz, there is a 23%, let me say something, i completely agree

with you about the palestinian people, i've tweeted about this last two weeks, to be fair you haven't, and this is not journalism, journalism, that's journalism, palestinians are reaching out from the cage that israel has put them in and they are trying to speak to the world, they are being, they are being with cold indifference, say to you pears, i would say to you that that gentleman that you've just had on the show, mark, mark regv, he belongs in the hague, daviders, appears, you made your reputation as opposing the invasion of iraq, well i would ask you, journalist to journalist, how could you justify the interview you just gave to the head of us forces in illegal occupation of iraq that david trayaus led, he was then head the cia, both of the individuals that you've just on show deserved to be in the hague tried for war crimes. "i am not anything like them, i have not heard a fly, those two men have, why are they given the respectability

you gave them with your interview, and why i interrogated as if i somehow someone that could hurt a human being? well certainly in mark's case, i pushed him hard on all the positions israelly adopting, let me explain, because i did a tweet today and i meant every word of this, i said, i have great respect for anybody who in the immediate aftermath of this appalling, exactly, you've had just those, i said those instinctive reaction was not to feel that, and i think you're one of them because your reaction was to say the arrogance to think you could keep two million people trapped and open their prison indefinitely, as if somehow that justify what happened that day, exactly what you're doing, the point. you have had your had your criticism of me and that's fine, you're

perfectly entitled to it, like i said to you, i what you said about me, i believe in free speech, you're entitled to me, david batrayer, but i'm also entitled to judge you as somebody who did not find it in themselves to express anything involving any outrage, i just expressed it, and and this is not journalism, the idea of us comparing our moral compases and somehow i have deficient moral compass, somehow i a moral monster. what's true is i am not the people that have shown a cold difference to the ethnically cleansed palestinian dispossessed one in three every refugee in the world is palestinian they are the largest refugee population those who have turned a blind eye to their suffering are those that need to be seriously interrogated about their moral compass and i would ask you, i would ask you before we end the show, i would ask you that i able to read out the names of the 20 palestinian journalists that have been killed in two more guests. this badge, this badge,

zoom on this badge, this badge was given to me by an employee of this building who said they were told they could not wear this badge because it was the palestinian flag, you talk about uncensored, this is censored, this badge was banned in this building people, so that's a ridiculous thing to say, i'm in new york, but good to see you lokey, i appreciate you coming on the program.

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the constant policy of usurping the palestinian lands, continuation of settlement construction, destruction of farm land and residential houses. the occupation used to demolish homes, cut off the water, burn land. i hope there is the will internationally to do the same thing against this last apartide state on earth, the apartide state of israel. today i received a petition against the us. the us government, the uk government to stop trading with israel. the united states recognizes the revisional government as the de factor authority of israel. may 15th,

1948, the beginning arab israeli regime war. arab leaders gathered at the hortoon summit and said, no peace with israel, no negot with israel, no recognition of israel. this documentary describes the behind the scene process of the arab israeli war, suas crisis, six war and war, my name is, i a plastic and reconstructive surgeon, i'm a british palestinian volunteer with. morning, upon the request of ahli hospital administration, i moved from shiv hospital to hospital to help out with the

treatment of some of wounded as the number of wounded had exceeded the number of beds in the hospital. we had been operating all day and had made the decision that in order to continue operating on these patients, i would stay behind, sleep at the hospital in the... after we finished one of the surgeries we heard a screach following by huge explosion, as a result of the explosion, part of the ceiling of the operating room fell, as i moved towards the outside of the operating room and towards the emergency department, we could see bodies of children piled up, both dead, not moving and wonded. "there were several who had been amputated, tended to a man who had his leg blown off at the thigh, we then carried on trying to resuscitate the

patient, when the ambulance came, i decided to help out by carrying one of the wounded who had had the shrapnel in his neck into the ambulance, as i was walking towards the ambulance, there were parts of b, there were body parts." everywhere and there were bodies piled up in the courtyard of the hospital. i then got into the ambulance and ascorted the patient back to shif hospital. this morning, when i drove into the hospital i noted how full the hospital courtyard was with familiar refuge inside the hospital, thinking that it would be safe haven. it's these very same families. who are now either dead or spiritically wounded a result of this attack. this is a war crime that the world has seen coming. israel has been warning the entire

world that it was going to attack palestinian hospitals and it did exactly that. every western politician who has declared unconditional support for israel's war effort on the palestinian people. has their hands, has the blood of these children on their hands, that unconditional support is what led us to this massacre. the impunity that israel believes it has from its western allies is what has led to this massacre. other country feels the impunity to target hospitals and get away with it. what happened today is a war crime and if the israelis get away with? it again, then more war crimes will be committed and more hospitals will be targeted.

your pressed headlines as israel's war of genocide against gaza enters a 21st day, says almost 50 is really captives have been killed in the regime's raids. hamas chief forns if israel's aggression against the gaz of the strip continues, situation in the entire region will spin out of control. and pro pa palestini rileys continue throughout the world show.