it's a genocide being per. trated before our very eyes, the bombardment of gaza is playing out on our screens, men, women, children, indiscriminantly martered as the handbringing and the global blame game plays out. hello, welcome, i'm amina taylor and this is gaza under attack. we'll be your global lies bringing you the most relevant news and talking points. in our first program, we'll be focusing on the reaction of the uk government and its western allies on the can crisis. but let's remind ourselves of how things have only. so far. 24 hours, more than

700 people have been killed in gaza. the total death told from israeli strikes has now topped 6,500 since october the 7th, including nearly 3,000 children. despite calls for seasfire. the bombardment of gaza has continued with the besieg enclave operating without electricity or supplies. pro palestinian voices are now urging the international community to push for this fire to allow humanitarian aid to the region. well, i'm joined in the studio by the author, journalist and activist marksworth. he's a long-time anti-racist campaigner who's publicly and consistently spoken up in support of palestinian rights and joining the show via skype from canada is the documentary filmmaker and writer and the journal specializing in the middle east, robert in lakesh. gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us. i'm going to kick things off with you, robert, because this is a particularly difficult times. i know have loved ones caught up in the tragedy. what can

or will you share with us? um, from my wife's side of the family, um, we have two were killed, um, that we know that were um killed at the start of the bombings at the first massacre which was committed in the jabala refugee camp, um, since then, many of them fled their homes, um, we've received word from one of the hospitals um essentially. that the someone that we're in contact with was in tears um that what they've been winsing um yeah um it's it's been horrible for everyone and um yeah i i don't really of have words um express the grief that everyone is feeling of course um and from our family to yours we are so very sorry and of course to the wide community we also and grieve with

you, and i know mark a a slightly more, point, you campaigned against the apotat regime, you campaigned against racism in this country, you've campaigned against military interventions in this country, how has this conflict been placed just in how you've seen things on fold and almost a sense of history repeat itself? well it is, my father as of teenager came from jamaica as a volunteer to fight in the british uh royal air force to keep this country free from the night, and we know that during that second world war, america dropped a bomb on the japanese in hiroshima, nuclear bomb, and the amount of bombs that have been locked on gaza by the israeli defense force is equal to that nuclear explosion, if not exceeding it, the land mass has reduced to rubble, million

people have been displaced, probably 7,000 people have been killed, most of them civilians, you mention the amount of children, old people, disabled, babies, and yet the world seems to be turning away or it's leaders, i should say, from this genocide that is going on, and what i'm part by is the hundreds of thousands of people. in this country who have been on demonstrations that press tv has covered a quarter of million last saturday i was there and i'll be back there on saturday in central london mainly young people are pulled at what's going on and let me tell you that almost 80% of the british public wenled have said that they support seasfa something that rishi sunaka prime minister hasn't uh agreed to. uh

support and nor has the labor leader sir starmer, i watched question time today in parliament, prime minister's question time, and it was led to two nationalist parties, the... nationalist party and the uh irish slp, which is the nationalist party in the north of ireland, to stop the slaughter, and that's what we must do urgently, we've been told today, we've been told that um electricity supplies in hospitals run out in the next hours and people will die in hospitals that are supposed to be placed. for lifesaving, this slaughter, this massacre, this genocide must be stopped, and we must get our leaders to listen to their citizens. what's the view from canada at the moment and your assessment, robert of the why international communities reaction to what's taking place? well, this is massacre from the

collective west, we can't separate israel's actions um from those of western governments, if it was not for the governments of canada, the united kingdom, and the united states of course, this would not be happening, and that is very clear, they've sent their forces over there, we understand special forces units, all of the leaders of the western world went over to express their sympathy and solidarity with the israelies in committing this massacre, and they do not stop it, they do not even call for a ceasefire, then that's because they understand something, and that's because israel has been defeated, it has no way of winning, none, so it's taking out its anger its loss. at its strategic loss on the civilian population of the gaza strip, it is starving them, it is depriving them of water, of humanitarian aid, and it is boming them to deaths in children in their beds, half more than half of the casualties are women and children, and that tells you all you need to

know about what they're doing, and they have no empathy, and what is the difference between the west of the past in its colonial era and today, very, very little in terms. the government to be honest, very, very little, they learn no uh lessons from history, they continue on with the same brutal barbaric behavior, like they did, and we saw in the early 2000s in iraq and in afghanistan, and they simply lie every single time they are confronted with the truth of the horrors that they commit, so it is not disconnected from the governments of the uk and germany and france, and the united states and canada, they are. partner these crimes and they themselves have criminal histories and they have shown that they have not changed one bit. mark a version of that question to you about what you've seen from our prime minister of his allies. what have

seen? complete spinelessness and civility towards the american industrial military complex, the war machine. that supports its proxy israel in the middle east, quite shocking really that a man of color who has descendants from india, which by the way, has been supporting the palestinians all along, is allowing himself to be pupped in the hands the likes of joe biden, are ignoring this massacre and and suffering and genocide by refusing to call... the end of the bombardment of powerless people, remember the people of gaza have no army, they have no navy, they have, they don't even have anti-aircraft, weaponry to protect themselves

from the bombardment, it is as vile as a grown adult, beating up iman, this is not a war, this is a mas and it must be called out as such. so rob, just piggy backing a little bit to what mark just mentioned here, that the way things have been framed, as if this is a conflict between equal forces, your reaction? well, is evidently not, what happened on october 7, which people like to try and invoke the memory of the holocast in order to make it seem more than it actually was, um, is basically being used to justify. happening and the only reason we're stuck on this point um is because of number of lies that we have told about why it happened and what actually happened there as well and the truth of the matter um the truth of the matter of what actually happened on that day we still need the details to reveal absolutely everything which went on, but there's copious amount of evidence to suggest

that it wasn't just palestinian fighters and palestinians from uh non-armed group backgrounds which had killed israelis on that day, but also that the israeli soldiers killed their own people. and there's eyewitness testimony of this. we'll have to see, i hope there's an independent investigation into what actually happened, but regardless, this did not happen for no reason, you don't keep people trapped. a concentration camp with 2.4 million people, half of which of them are children for 17 plus years under blockade. most of these people, these fighters that you see, they've never left the ghaza strip. most of fighters that crossed over would have lost loved ones, would have lost homes would have experienced the trauma, wars and aggressions by israel themselves. now this has been compared uh a number of occasions and most prominently norman finkeln to the slave rebellion of napter. um and of course palestinians are not enslaved, however that slave rebellion was

extremely violent, and why was it extreme, i'd like you to expand on that point a little bit uh later, rob, just stick a pin in that one, because we just want to remind you in case you missed the efforts to cozy up to the israeli prime minister by our government, this is our prime minister, addressing the house of commons and making the uk's position crystal clear. in jerusalem, i met some of the relatives who are suffering unbearable torment, their pain will stay with me for the rest of my days. i'm doing everything in my power and working with all our partners to get their loved ones home. in my meetings with prime minister netan yahoo! and president hertsog, i told them once again that we stand resolutely israel in defending itself against terror. and i stressed again the need to act in line with international humanitarian law and take every possible step to avoid hunting. civilians, it was message delivered by a close friend, ally, i say it

again, we stand with israel, why couldn't be clear could he, this is the same richinak who spokes person said earlier on wednesday that the ceasefire would only benefit hamas. rob, you were talking a little bit before we broke into this particular bit here, just respond firstly to what the prime minister said and just briefly continue a little bit of your conversation. well, of course, he's complicit in the criminal acts in gaza, because if the western nations, their government stood up, israel would not be able to continue its slaughter. we've seen that time and time again in 2012, in 2008, 9 and 2014, when the west puts its foot down, israel is forced to stop, but they're not making them stop, they refuse to make them stop, because the west itself wants revenge because their foreign policy in the middle east has been messed up by the hamas attack. was saying before about the hamas attack and that's it's very important to understand, number one, we don't

have all of the details, they're not very clear, it's not to say that palestinians did not kill uh israeli civilians, we simply don't know exactly what happened, now on then side we do have clear information, we have confirmed statistics of almost now heading up to we're going to be close by the end of the day to 3,000 children being killed, right? it's very very clear what has happened here, of uh both sides stories which have came out from the israeli side, but regardless, let's say and let's imagine that it's the worst case scenario that there were beheaded babies 40 beheaded base that women were dismembered and all of the rest of the stories that we're talking about. statistically what has happened now in the ghaza strip is sixfold what happened to the civilian population according to the israeli statistics, around a thousand israeli civilians were they say, i'm just going to bring in um mark here very briefly on just that question i posed about. response to this and his spokes person saying today categorically a ce fire would only

benefit us, mean i you tell me, perhaps i'm missing something here, you're not missing anything at all, rishi soon i think moved ever so slightly by saying there should be pause to allow for humanitarian aid to come in, but we've heard from antonio guterrez, this is catastrophic, we're close to apocalypse in the... least with the israelis now killing syrians, soldiers in syria, seven or eight of them with what's happening with with lebanon, so you know, if risy sunak doesn't have the backbone, doesn't have the leadership skills to stand up to the american and to benjamin netanyahu and say, this slaughter must stop, they must be peace, there must be an end to the occupation, because that occupation has gone on for 75 years. and then the uh blockade of the last 36 years and now the war crime of

electricity, other fuel, food, medical aid being cut off, the displacement of million people sent south from the north of gaza, these are all massive war crimes happening in plain sight, and our prime minister is failing to stand up and take this moral argument by the scroff of his neck and fight for justice, and keer starma. a former human rights lawyer is just as complicit in this uh atrocity. now let's just pause the discussion with my guest mark. worth and bring in life coach and media personality for himahammed, she's been across the platform, both alternative and mainstream, we're very happy to have her today, and now we know for hima there's been various column inches, hours and hours of footage about the particular crisis, but if we can, could we start with allan mclow tweet here, very important uh tweet

that went out recently as well as highlighting footage, which basically a journalist that is actually uh showing the... instructions a daily live feed showing uh the sort of atrocities that's happening not so long ago, even today where residential buildings have been you know sort of bombarded and attacked in the middle of the ghaza city, i think there's a video for this that we would really love to see because it says more than our words could ever ever really paint the picture of destroyed by absolutely, no words, no words and and these are residential blocks, their markets, their places like hospitals, near schools and this is what we're seeing a day bases that is being bombed and actually attacked and we see even children in hospitals trying to get medication and uh without any sort of um

medication that's there really for them, but do you think theima that the media narrative is helping? to justify images like the one we just saw here, the media on the mainstream is totally um not showing exactly and what we even get the narrative from the other side is is just here say it's third fourth person whereas showing actual like i said live footage a daily basis where we can see step by step what's happening and that's the that's the difference there is no ai there's no fake news there's nothing of that's going on this is real as you can get and something that was very important for me and kind of linking the issues, your your background as life coach and dealing with some of the ptsd and trauma that would undoubtedly follow this vision, imagine if that were your apartment, if that's the place you live, you used to go to school, you used to have your friends, absolutely, i mean the trauma that comes up that, i can't even comprehend with the people there, i know colleagues that are working here, just reporting it have had issues uh mentally, trying even understand this because

it's a day-to-day minute by minute kind of update and it's continuous and there's no break at all. for them reporting, let alone for the people that are actually going through it, so like i said, there's no words for what we're going to see that going to come out of this, if we actually even have a ce fire, there's going to be so much follow when it comes to that, indeed, there's also a kit klanburg article that you um highlighted for there, and uh, we've raised this one, because we think the idea that a blue print for palestinian genocide could be rustled up by a think tank a week only after the... actual 7th of october where a detailed article by an israeli think tank like you said highlighting and outlining for resettlement of the palestinian's removal and to be displaced and placed in egypt so the article is something that we should really concentrate on and how this has come about so quickly with so much detail um like as if

these things were thought out in much more time that it took for them to write as well you mean there was a plan hamer, could you imagine? i couldn't possibly comment on on something like that, and i think it's worth noting that the author of that piece, is someone who's been fearless in his journalism, and it seems to me there is a fighting back with the narrative here, using clear data, statistics, actual reports, very very, this is an emotional piece, i might feel emotional reading it, yes, but the facts, absolutely, absolutely, fahem, we're going to get some more from you in the second half of the program, very briefly on this one, mark, i just wanted to... touch a little bit on what you're hearing, what been said there? well, do, it's very interesting that even though you've got the bbc, itv, national newspapers in britain, in lockstep, supporting the government line, israel has the right to defend itself, how this amounts to self-defense, flattening the whole

nation's landspacing gaza, boggles the imagination, but live on social media where most... young people, most people under the age of say 35 get their news from, yeah, it's much more difficult to control difficult, and that's why the percentage is there, 80% of the population, this situation would have been completely different had this happened without the age of social media, we leave it right there, now um we're going to see fahim here back in a few minutes with more of her picks from palestine in media, and thank you for being with us, this is aza under attack, a special one-hour topical program looking some of the most important talking points emerging from this ongoing genocide, my guess, the author and journalist marksworth is still gamingly with me in the studio, alongside him, robert indakesh is with us via skype. from canada and they're with me for the duration of the program, gentlemen, thank you so much for just sticking it out. now as the gazans find themselves bombarded, cut off from lifesaving infrastructure and experience

devastating loss. united nations, the international body that claims to represent the global community have issued another statement on the issue, one, some say fall short of condemnation of israeli actions. here's the secret general antonio gutierez. protecting civilians does not mean ordering more than 1 million people to evacuate to the south where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel, and then continue to bomb the south itself. i am deeplic of the clear violations of international unitarian law that we are witnessing in gaza. let me be clear, no party to an armed conflict is above international humanitarian law. and for those of might have miss this. in this same address, the secretary general said, the actions of hamas did not happen. a vacuum, and what happened as a result of that? israel has now said un officials will not be receiving visas to enter the territory. i mean, mark, what does

it say about the un? what does it say that the security council is controlled by the global north, particularly america, france, britain, um, but the generals assembly, which represents - 200 nations of the world, is overwhelmingly. support of the palestinian cause, brazil currently has the presidency of the security council and put forward a resolution for ceasefire, which got 12 votes and guess who the one nation wasting man, but i think i have an idea, yes you, even britain, france, japan, previously voted against a resolution put forward by russians had to abstain, they were so shamefaced, so you see. how the uh world is unipolar in terms of the one superpower, but with bricks, brazil, russia, india and china, and with

argentina, add on and saudi arabia, it's going to change, this is a big historical change moment for us. i hope so, um, before i get to my next guest, very briefly, robert in lakesh, just your thoughts on what the israel are trying to do, throw their weight around with uh antonio gutierrez, and his team there, they're throwing mud in hoping that it sticks essentially with all of their allegations, with their outrageous claims they're making, and and the secretary general the united nations made the point that i was just trying to make that it didn't happen in a vacuum, that there's a reason why something like this would happen, even if we take the worst case scenario, we have historical examples of very similar types of violence happening in anti-colonial struggle, in uh slave revolts and revolution, this is what happ when you cage people and deprive them of their human rights and their human dignity, so of course, this is something very obvious point that he noted, but the israelis cannot accept this because they're the ultimate

victims in their own narrative, need to remain as such in order to continue on carrying out this genocide, and i think we can call it genocide at this point, they want to eliminate the people of gaza, that's what they're trying to do, they want to exterminate and force them out of their land. i think what is also worth mentioning... just briefly here is the statement by the un chief wasn't particularly radical, i mean the man was simply stating the obvious, yet here comes the world's police on this one. all right, now we're going to shift tax a little because i think so many of us can agree that social media is playing a large role in helping to change or to influence public opinion as the garden crisis continues to be waited. now colleague latifa abu, she's been scouring the net and you've managed to mine few gems. here latifa, because social media is a weird, wild and sometimes wonderful place at the moment, what would you like to stop with? just to remind everyone that traditionally soldiers of war are 18 plus,

now soldiers of war are people of all ages, people who are qualified and unqualified to have a say on the matter, um, some people have come forward with their support and they've exposed the funding goes behind this pro israeli stance, um, and some have surprised us and... shown us that their morals cannot be bought out um such a person is uh the influencer kara from britain and we have a clip to play for her and i just need to put that out there cuz a brand really tried to pay me to change my opinion today that's not going to happen you cannot buy my morals had a brand deal lined with this particular brand i've even filmed the video and everything today was the day i was meant to post it today i also posted on my instagram the pictures from the palestine protest in london them i'm like i'm going to post the video this time they said no then i date essay basically saying that they're not willing to work with me anymore because i publicly said that i support palestine i was like that's fine cuz i