back to sensor live from new york city, we british iraki rapper and po palestine activist karim dennis, but key has been a powerful and influential pro-palestinian voice before and during this conflict, the official version of his track terrorist was taken off youtube after the hamas attacks on... over the se 14 years after release, he's been highly critical, what he says is media bias accused me of taking a pro israel slant on this show, well i'm joined now by lokey who's london studio, lokey thank you very much and for joining me, i appreciate it, thank you for having me peace, um, mean on the issue whether i'm pro israel, i don't have in this race or this war, i try and be balanced, i try and have all kinds of views, of i think we've had more pro-palestinian people on the show the last two weeks any other new show in the... may be getting huge audiences,

so i would take issue with that charge that somehow, i'm slanted one way or another, i think this whole thing is a complete tragedy. i know that you've been committed to the plite of the palestinians for a long time, going back at least 15 years from what i can see in terms of you traveling to gaza, um, what was your reaction when you first heard about these attacks on october the 7th? well, let's be clear, reading the testimony of survivors of october 7th. like yasmine porat was extremely harrowing. what she alleges is not only that her husband was killed in the initial takeover, but also she then says that the israeli military tanks fired on the room where the hostages were, killing 12 israeli civilian captives. we have also seen fantastic work in hertz newspaper by amos haarell where he speaks at length about a brigadier general. rosenfeld who was in

charge of the arets crossing. now when this military base was take over, what he says atmos in here, the well-known israeli newspaper, he says that rosenfeld, when he realized that the base was overtaken, called in an air strike. this is in her, these are not my words, these are the words of amoral. what we then saw is since october the 7th, 22 israeli civilian detainees killed. in gaza by israeli air strikes. the israeli military has something called the hannibal directive. the hannibal directive was developed in lebanon in the 80's by the israelis with the clear understanding that they do not want the other side to take hostages. so for example, you have the case of hada golding golding in 2014, what is israel called operation protector edge which killed over 2,200 palestinians, but when uh this is soldier was

taken captive by the palestinians, israel then proceeded to kill everyone, including the civilians in the area around where he was kept and the soldier himself, so what israel has unfortunately is a policy of killing capis, if you look at the case of gad shalit, this was an israel, allow me to finish, allow me to finish, keep talking, i have one point to make and hope you will allow me to make it, in the case of gilad shalit, what happen? was one israeli soldier led to a thousand palestinian prisoners being released. there is a clear understanding within the israeli military and political elite that they do not want people to be kidnapped, so therefore they unfortunately, as history has shown us and as the directive within the israeli military shows, they take action to kill their own captives that have been taken by the other side. right, let me let me respond to you. you tweeted on october the 7th, the arrogance to believe you could keep two million trapped. an open air prison

indefinitely dot dot dot that appears to been your only comment about what happened, so just for the record, do you condemn what hamas did that day? i condemn the genocidal conditions which have created this violence, every heartbeat, every human heartbeat is sacred to me, and that is what has compelled me to work as i have for the last 15 years to save lives, to save liv to stop people dying, but that wasn't my question. we do not have a clear picture of what happened on october 7th because unfortunately too much of the media has relied on the israeli military talking points which are given directly to them until neutral observers until neutral observers are able to establish the facts of october 7th i will not, i will not allow the talking points of the israeli military to become dominant of what happened on that day. palestinians are subject to genocide or collective punishment in gaza is real. let me respond, you are the

only pro-palestinian person i've had on the show in two weeks who has tried to make out that this just didn't happen on october the 7th or somehow, you are misrepresenting what i'm saying. do you do you, well i've got two questions, they're very forward, do you believe that 1500 people were slaughtered in 260 people music festival, you're a musician, and secondly condemn the people did it, so i would like to quote something that you just said, the former spokesperson for the idf, this was your exact sentence, not long ago, you said it's difficult to tell between combatts and non-combatants, so you the implication of what you said was somehow, it was understandable that israel has killed a palestinian. didn't say that and i have said it is absolutely appalling the number of children who are dying in gaza, it's appalling and it will get worse, i make no bones about that all and i have to say and i have to say you have to start, you have to

start surely from humanity point of view, i can absolutely express my horror at the deaths of palestinian innocent civilians, as i have done many times over the years, i think it's horrifying, and i think this is why i have serious problem with the proposed ground invention, because i think it will unbelievably large numbers of civilian casualties, and i'm not sure what the strategy will work, um, but i'm just curious why you who is, i know you care about people, i know you care passionately about the palestinian civilians, but you're the only pro- palestine voice i've had who's even tried to suggest that what did on october the 7th was not as bad as we think, so is that what you think, what do you think, but what? do we think is the information is not clear as i've said to you, all human life is not trying to hide anything, you're trying to hide something, with respect, with respect, you are trying to, you are definitely trying to dismble here and i'll explain why, i've

given you an opportunity to simply say whether you condem what, which by the way, they have brazely boasted about, they posted videos celebrating what they did, there is no doubt about what? they want you to know what they did, they want me to know that, they want the world to know, they killed jewish people in maine and in israel with impunity, 260 people a music festival, babies, grandmothers, they kidnapped 200 people, god knows what's happened to them, you can shake your head, what you can't do is deny that that happened, because admitted it brazenly and with, if they've omitted it, do you condemn what they did, i absolutely. the loss of all human life in this conflict and i have struggled for 15 years of my life in a way that appears to be honest you haven't okay and take you as empathetic person with a high level of emotional intelligence okay i struggled 15 years of my life to stop the

killing for a ceasefire now to stop deaths i have to say is that actually this line of questioning fortunately a personal level is somewhat hypocritical and i'll explain why. on april 18th 2022, you said the exact phrase, that you feel like nelson mandela walking out of prison on the long road to freedom of speech. today there is a statue for nelson mandela outside parliament. now human rights watch, amnesty international, bate salim and even the harvard law school have said that israel practices apartide against the palestinian people. do you know what the an? see struggle against apartide entailed? are you aware that the anc are believed to have very unfortunately, horrifically, terribly in the live lives of children and civilians in their struggle against apartide. so peer, you seem absolutely content to not only compare

yourself to nelson mandela, served 27 years in jail for what they described as terrorism at the time, but yet you cannot see what the... vast majority of human rights organizations in the world see when they look at the palestinians, when you look at un revolution 194, paragraph 11, the palestinians have right to return home, almost a million of them were displaced in 1948 with the foundation of the state of israel, and what we are now on the brink of is palestinians, million of millions of them being driven into the cienide desert with help. the us delta force, this is a manufactured and israeli manufactured humanitarian catastrophe in, there is a 23% infant mortality, let me say something, let me say something, i completely agree with you about the playing to the palestinian people, i've tweeted about this for the last two

weeks, no, no, to be fair, you haven't, this is not journalism, journalism, was journalism, that's journalism, palestinians are reaching. out from the cage that israel has put them in and they are trying to speak to the world and they are being met, they are being met with cold indifference and i would say to you is, i would say to you that that gentleman that you've just had on the show, mark regev, he belongs in the hague. david potreus. you made your reputation as opposing the invasion of iraq. well, i would ask you, journalist to journalist, how could you justify the interview you just gave to the head of us forces in that illegal occupation of iraq that david potreus led. he was then the head of the cia. both of the individuals that you have just had on this show deserve to be in the hague tried for war crimes. i am not anything like him. i have not hurt a fly. those two. have why are they given the respectability that you gave them with your interview and why i interrogated as if i am

somehow someone that could hurt a human being? well certainly in mark reget's case i pushed him hard on all the positions let me explain because i did a tweet today and i meant every word of this i said i have great respect for anybody who in the immediate aftermath of this appalling terror attack said it was outrageous and appalling. exactly you've had say i said those i said those instinctive reaction was not to feel that and i think you're one of them because your reaction was to say the arrogance to think you could keep two million people trapped in open prison indefinitely as if somehow that justified what happened that day it didn't just happen the point when that tweet the point you have not seen anything you have had your had your criticism with me and that's fine, you're perfectly entitled to it, like i said to you, i or you said about me, i believe in free speech, you're entitled to

your opinion and me, david petrayors of mark rega, but i'm also entitled to judge you as somebody who did not find it in themselves to express anything involving any out, i just expressed it, and and this is not journalism, the idea of us comparing our moral compases and somehow i have deficient moral compass, somehow i am monster, what's true, what's true is, the people. show a cold indifference to the ethnically cleansed palestinians, dispossessed, one in three, every refugee in the world is palestinian, they are the largest refugee population, those who have the blind eye their suffering are those that need to be seriously interrogated about their moral compass, and i would ask you, i would ask you before we end the show, no i would ask you, i able to read out the names of the 20 palestinian journalists that have been ki 20 journalists, this badge, this badge, zoom in on this badge, this badge was given to me

by an employee of this building, said they were told they could not wear this badge because it was the palestinian flag, you talk about uncensored, this is censored, this badge, i have told nobody they can, wear a badge, so that's a ridiculous thing to say, i'm in new york, but good to see you lokey, i appreciate you coming on the program,

the front door with nothing in your hand, okay?

the constant policy of usarping the palestinian lands continuation of settlement construction, destruction of farm land and residential houses, the occupation used to demolish homes, cut off the water, burn lands. i hope there is will internationally to do the same thing against this last apartied state on earth, the apartide state of israel. today i received a petition against the us, the us government, the uk. to stop trading what is my name is my name is dr. gasan abutta, i a plastic and reconstructive surgeon, i'm a british palestinian volunteer with mecinson, this

morning upon the request of ahli hospital administration, i moved from hospital to ahli hospital to help out with the treatment of some of the wounded, as the number of wounded had exceeded the number of beds in the hospital. we had been operating all day and made the decision that in order to continue operating on these patients, i would stay behind and sleep at the hospital. in the evening, after finished one of the surgeries, we heard a speech following by huge explosion. as a result of the explosion part the ceiling of the operating room fell as i moved towards the outside. the operating room and uh towards the emergency department, we could see bodies of children piled up, both

dead, not moving and wounded, there were several who had been amputated, night ended to a man who had his leg brown off at the thigh, we then carried on trying to recitate the patient, when the ambulance came, i decided to help out by carrying one of the wounded who had had a shrapnel in his neck into the ambulance as i was walking towards the ambulance there were parts of there were b parts everywhere and there were bodies piled up in the courtyard of the hospital. i then got into the ambulance and escorted the patient to shifa hospital. this morning when i drove into the hospital, noted how full the hospital courtyard was with families who had soft refuge inside the hospital, thinking

that it would be safe haven. it's these very same families who are now either dead or spiritually wounded a result of this attack. this is a core crime that the world has seen coming. israel has been warning the entire world that it was going. to attack palestinian hospitals, it did exactly that, every western politician who has declared unconditional support for israel's war effort on the palestinian people, has their hands, has blood of these children on their hands, that unconditional support is what led us to this masser, the impunity that israel believes it has from its western allies is what has led to this massacre, other country feels the impunity to target hospitals and get away with it. what happened today is a

war crime, and if the israelis get away with it again, then more war crimes will be committed and more hospitals will be targeted. the oslow accords broke down the interfather, arabat practically agreed. everything, but he didn't get anything in return. palestinians had acquired very little out of the causes and if anything it simply further entrench. the realities on the ground are such that we we have accepted, we have signed on the dotted line to something that effectively guarantees the israeli occupation for a forceeable future. what is really makes palestine central is. is the last girl, i was a professor at university, so i tried to talk about the rights of my nation and the israely oppression of palestinians by writing books,

articles or giving speaches and participating in debates. you're pressing the headline day 22 of israeli war on gaza starts with relence bombardment to the trip of expanding bound operations. hamos resistance movement says it is fully prepared to confront israely ground invasion into the besige as a strip and the united nations general assembly approves a resolution calling for.