tv Gaza Under Attack : PRESSTV November 8, 2023 12:02am-12:31am IRST
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it's it's ridiculous and it's embarrassing on behalf of america. we call them a the science broker for a reason. tell us about the human cost of the ongoing israeli um slaughter in gaza? um, i think the the facts can speak for themselves, as we can see in this picture, we're almost a month in 29 days of this genocide, and the the statistics are are horrifying. um, you, for me, the biggest thing that obviously stands out. alongside the amount of people killed, um, which we spoke about this earlier, we think is dramatically um underestimated, you know, they they're saying almost 10,000, but how do you really know, how do you really know how many people even lived in gas, is it's you know it's a concentration camp, it's not something that has all these facilities and all these agencies that are sitting there making sure that everything is above board and every person is accounted for, um, but also the displacement, you know, you're looking at one point. five million people who
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have been displaced um and not for the first time, absolutely, not for the first time, ghaza already is a refugee camp of people who are forced out of their land, ethnically cleansed from other parts of palestine, who wanted to remain in palestine rather than migrate to other areas of um of the global south, the the human price of what we're seeing, um, i don't know how much longer we can continue, almost 3,000 people under the rubble, and again that's figure that is under underestimated, i'm sure and lastly for me, something that really hits home is the number of murdered journalists, um, these people are putting their lives at risk to usually doing something that they've never actually been trained to do, most of these are young people, just graduated, barely able to speak second language, you know, really fought hard to kind of make something of their lives, and some have given their lives up for people to know to learn about what's happening, day to day as bombs rain down. on on gaza and the of
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gazans, um, there have been attempts as well to discredit the the numbers, you know, saying hamas run health ministry has been saying this or that, despite all the bodies that we have been seeing over the past 29 days. latifa, thank you very much. latiifa, thank you. now back back with my guest. um ahmed hussein here in the studio with me and ibrahim jamal via skype um of the three stories that we uh just saw there the comment by that gb news um presenter and and the thing about he he said about revoking the passports of citizenship of people who go to show up a pro-palestine protest it it really is mind boggling. yeah, um, it's it's part of
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a trend which we've seen um this right-wing government just push forward on, um, just xenophobic dog whistling, um, anything that they think that, and and so i realize that, obviously uh, his party isn't in government, but the conservatives have shown tendency to follow the right-wing dog whistling um of these extreme groups and so, again returning to what i was saying before, um, muslims who yeah, honestly most of us have a migrant background, we have to be politically active, because um, it's not just about palestine, it's not just about um the the genocide we're seeing in gaza, um, we have to be our own best defenders in terms of our rights um in this country, and ibrahim, it's not the only the muslims who are being intimidated, so to speak, to be dissuaded from showing up a pro-palestine uh demo. there were jews and
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people of other backgrounds, religious or otherwise um at the demonstrations um and this we saw a video of that um the daughter of holocaust survivors being apprehended by the metropolitan police for carrying a palestinian flag. your comments on that? what we're seeing, are protesters coming out to voice their support for palestine? for the indiscriminate bombing um of israel, sorry against the indiscriminate bombing um of gaza by israel, we're talking about a people over hundred thousand coming out to demonstrate, these are people from all walks of life, this is not a monolith, so when you see jews, christians, muslims, all coming to support palestinians and these absurd loss of life
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for some aims that have not even been well defined, it's heart wrenching, and the people come in, they they sympathize with the... marginalized, the oppressed, so that's why they're coming, and then least of all you've got holocaust survivors and they're coming out and they're saying, not in my name, they don't want to use their experience or their history and the memory of their for fathers or their family members that were abused at the hands of nazis, they don't want to, they don't want that to be used as a green card for israel to go ahead and just kill you know civilian structures. um, ahmed, that difference, the differentiation between humanitarian pause, which is seemingly what the americans and and their like-minded governments are are asking for, and a proper
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ceasefire. what do you think is the big difference there? mean, the ceasefire is a permanent secession, so to speak, of hostilities, whereas the humanitarian. ours is not, yeah, and the question also has to be asked like on whose terms, who is controlling, how much aid is going in, uh, who is controlling uh, how many people are coming out, who is controlling uh, where reconstruction is happening, and and so long as all of that remains in israel's hands, um, then we're not going to see meaningful peace, a ceasefire is the basic necessity, this point, just stop destroying these lives, these buildings, these infrastructures and so on, but in terms of a real peace, it's not just to ceasefire, we need to end the siege of palestine, we need to end the occupation of palestine, anything less than that is just
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empty words by dishonest basically addressing the root causes of the problem, exactly, um, ibrahim, the the targeting of gaza's university, and not supplying fuel to the onclave. only cancer hospital seems particularly spiteful. your thoughts? i don't understand the point of targeting um universities or hospitals. these to me seems like x of vengeance, an emotional response to the 7th of october. what they're doing is you know violating um the rules of engagement? we've got geneva conventions which talks about um securing lives, differentiating civilians and armed combatants. israel are bypassing all all measures, all regulations set in place, and to what to to what purpose?
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you talked about humanitarian pause or a ceasefire, and again i ask to what purpose, is it just for few? and aid to come in only for this cycle of bombardment to continue. yeah, the the line that has been coming out of israel has been that we don't target civilians, we're targeting hamas. uh, but someone asked very interesting question, which was, what if hamas were quote unquote hiding inside israel? yeah, i think you're referring to um, an interview on lbc, i think yeah, and um, yeah, that that's such an obvious uh, the answer that was given was such an obvious exposure of israel supporters uh and the the dichotomy that they hold in terms of um palestinians lives and israeli
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lives and for them it's it's not about equality, it is just about raising the palestinians off the map and you know as i've said before israel's behavior in the past right. now where the how they're positioning themselves, they just want to complete the nakba that they begin in 1948, they want to raise palestine and its people off the map, and send them all over to synai or somewhere else around the world, or kill them on the way, because they've been boming ambulances that are going towards rafa as well, exactly, um, stay with me, gentlemen, let's have look at this other story and then come back with uh a continuation of our discussion, what? one of the speakers at the pro palestine demonstration on london's trafalgar square this past weekend was jewish voices for labor national secretary glynn secker with demos like these being branded hate merches by the british home secretary suela brotherman we
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asked why jvl had chosen to be present. speaking on behalf of jewish voice for labor i'm the national secretary and we're here, obviously in solidarity with the people of gaza, what we think is happening is unbelievably atrocious, it's a gross violation. of human rights, the war crimes and what's happening now actually is genocide, and it's astonishing that this is being done really without the main powers, particularly america and britain reigning in netanyahu and stopping this this horror, we see that we say this as jews, because we're groups of jews. like our counterparts in, there's another group here called jews for justice for palestinians and a jewish
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socialist group and others, but also a big group in the states called jewish voice for peace, and all of us put human rights at our core, and to see israel, the military might of israel doing this to the palestinians, is so horrendous in terms of our core beliefs and who we are and what what it means to be a jew, but we have to be here in solidarity with the palestinians. i then asked glenn why israel continued to get the backing of such powerful allies, essentially greenlighting its aggression. they're following american policy and american policy of... supporting israel for decades, giving them $3.9 billion
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dollars every year, that is because israel serves american policy interests, particularly in respect of oil and the suis canal and american and western existence, influence and interest in the whole of the middle east and north africa theater. and uh and of course it's very much tied up with the arms industry uh in the uk we have huge arms industry which works very closely with the israeli arms industry, it's a conduit for british arms exports and so the the government here is following america and america could put a stop to this immediately instead of shipping what was it they approved? 30 million i think it was uh dollars, maybe more than that, maybe i got my
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naughts wrong, it's a huge sum of money just to app proved in congress for a supply resupplying israel with weapons, all they'd have to do was to say no, no more weapons, stop, we're not going to do business with you until you change your policy, and that would change israel's, and the british government here is tied into that whole network. with the main demonstration in close proximity to whitehall and the houses of parliament, i asked some protesters for their messages to prime minister rishi sunak and the british political establishment. firstly, they're cowards, that's for sure, because they're surrendering to - western pressure, secondly, they have blood on their hands, that's for sure, and yeah, i just hope that seas fire comes soon and i hope that... comes from rishi sonak asap as soon as possible because this kind of continue anymore. my message to
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them, yeah, you stand with ukraine cuz they said their kids will die, but you won't stand with palestine and their kids are dying, you watch, you're watching genocide happen right now, and you're saying, it's okay, no sease fire, no sease fire, cuz it's too hard, it's too hard, why is it too hard to support these palestinians? are they, are they different, are they not human? "are they animals to you, shame on you, myself and the 40,000 people that are here and over million people who have been on the streets of london over last last month are angry, we're angry, we upset, and we are calling for our government to uphold international law, we're not asking for special treatment, we're asking for international law, the framework for international law to be upheld equally for when israel breaks international law, we ask for. sanctions israel immediately, we're asking for seasfire immediately, we're asking for our mp to show an ounce of humanity and
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call for seas fire now, and the people in the government are corrupt, yes, killing innocent children anywhere in the world is against humanity, so i'm standing for this, and all the government, they far as i'm concerned, we stand for each other and stand for the humanity of and the genocide of the palestinians. it happened before in iraq, the genocide of 1 million people displaced, and now this one is happened since 1948 and is happening and happening and happening, no justice, the system is corrupt to his core, another mass protest is planned this weekend, fahim muhammad is back with the follow-up to her first offering of palestine in the media, is israel so special that they get to carry out whatever they want to carry out, and we who fund what they're doing, need to just shut up and provide the money and the weapons
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and not say a word, why? i want to know why? she raised. is very good question, absolutely, and the anget israel funding without question and do what they want, continues as their own economy suffers and top of the billions that is already been given, there's an addition to that, so you can understand the uh sort of like more than 13 billion, yes, yes, top of everything that's been happening so far, so that's um definitely the anger they're speaking as we see it, and we have the next tweet from um a far right? minister who states that um in one of his interviews he stated that actually um having a nuclear weapon option on the people of ghaza is probably something that is not uh sort of like you know something that they would consider and for that reason um this statement says that uh he does not have any
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problems um openly saying it and also um the fact that there is an outrage. of protest while these politic, these sort of like senators are speaking about nuclear weapons on palestine is not being raised, even though they're complaining about protest from politicians and pundits, and he also opposes the humanitarian aid going to ghazza and also favoring the taking control and occupation over gazza and restoring settlements and top of that um he's been suspended from government meetings indefinitely. completely, yeah, but again, to your point, what we saw earlier, uh, bernie sanders, yes, saying there shouldn't be sease fire because hamas wants to wipe israel out, yeah, whereas if an israeli official talks about using nuclear weapons against the palestinians, there's no reaction of the kind from politicians such as bernie sanders, yeah, i mean, he's just one
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of many, the idf you know sort of you, sort of mentioned things like this before, there's so many. israeli uh sort of uh opponents uh speaking on this, you now talking about you know uh hamas being just the ones that they need to destroy, they have to take over and there's no reason for them to stop the war because of that, so that retaric and that narrative is continuous and no one's opposing that with whatever they're saying and they're saying it openly and proudly, no one's picking up on that, and no one is picking up on that, fahimma, thank you very much, as always, well uh, of course you'll be back tomorrow with more on what is happening in the... media as far as the crisis in the middle east. um, let's continue the conversation with my guests, ahmed hussein here in the studio with me and ibrahim jamal on skype. um, i want to start with the controversies around this upcoming demo. i want to put that question to uh abraham
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jamal. um, it's going to be what they call remember sunday. there's a lot of talk about whether or not. the demo should be taking place, although uh, four have taken place, despite attempts by governments to delegitimized support for the palestinians to um dissuade people from showing up to protest such as that, what are your thoughts on the upcoming protest? remembrance day is talking about um, you know, remembering the dead, those that fought for freedom and equality, so striking that they want to repress those that are coming out to appeal um for the palestinians or in solidarity with the palestinians who are fighting for their equal rights and their freedom of expression and political representation when you repress um people and the protesters are coming out in
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you know in the hundreds of thousands and over million over the past month when you repress this outlet of of emotions, that is not good for the public good, and why would you want to, on the one hand, remember those that fought um, in world wars for the west, and and at the same time deny those that want to voice their expression and their sympathies for the innocent civilians that are dying now in in gaza. exactly uh and um ahmed, it's important to to talk about the circumstances in which uh these comments are being made, when the home secretary, the interior minister calls pro-palestine. demonstrators that hate marches or these marches are called in by her as hate marches or comments like that um definitely
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contribute to tensions among the different communities rather than bringing communities together yeah and mean basically to to use the word it's it's scape goating um what is going on in palestine is genocide humans are being destroyed by israel the only way that anyone can try to justify that continued genocide is to see palestinians and the supporters as less thanhuman, that's the only way to allow and support the genocide to continue dehumanize the people and then you can say whatever you want to say about them yeah dehumanize them and also um build up the impression that if you don't attack them first they will attack you, so palestinians despite them having a a diverse culture, it's not just muslims, they are. there are jewish palestinians and and so on and so forth, it's it's a history that goes back centuries, it's just a convenient shortcut to scape goat muslims as this mad group of people who want
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to kill all the jews, and well as we know the holocaus happened in europe and in in a european country or more than of course one european country, it wasn't the muslims, who uh put the jews in the gas chambers, yeah theodor hurzel himself explained that it would be the anti-semites of europe who would support israel because he understood that um europe is deeply deeply anti-semitic and by pushing the jews out of europe and claiming a homeland elsewhere that will tap into the natural anti-semitism of european uh western culture, but um the the point to remember is that this xenophobia that this current home secretary is running on it seems to be part the job because for her for suella braverman, we had pretty patel, and even some people might remember teresa may, was once home secretary, and they seem to use that role to
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create a platform where they blow xenophobic racist dog whistles in preparation for some kind of leadership contest, and we and so we need to pander to their voter base, yeah, and and to prove themselves that look, no matter how much you might hate these people who look different. "i'm there for you to support your racism, so always remember that anyone who calls for genocide of other people, they're never going to have your back, they're just going to look for an opportunity that suits them to stab you in the back as well, don't ever take these apologists for genocide as your allies, they're looking for an opportunity to use you as well, thanks ahmed, let me thank my guests, ahmed hussein, ceo of muslim public affairs committee, uk on skype, political analyst and academic, ibrahim jamal and all those who help put this program together, and of course you, thank you for watching. gaza under attack will be back tomorrow with more. until then, goodbye.
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following the military operation undertaken by palestinian resistance fighters on october the 7th code named alaxa flood, the zinish propaganda machine issued torrent of deception and downright lies about what happened. yazmin parat in particular is what one the ones too says first of all that uh what happened was that the idf, the...
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patient forces had themselves killed some of the hostages and then of course that we learn later that many of the the hostages were killed in in fires caused by the shelling from tanks of houses in which the hostages were held, fake news was kind of clumsy in a way, but it's very effective because everybody basically you know fed that into all mainstream media throughout disseminated throughout the western media, so you had the beheaded babies, you had... the burnt charred body of a maybe baby or some image that was put out mass the allegations of mass rape uh the intentional targeting of civilians.
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your press tv headlines israel pounds gaza's largest medical facility alshifa hospital as a death tool for more than a month of the regime's bombing the besieg strip tops 10,300 two american military bases, one in iraq, the other in syria, come under fresh attacks, amid growing anti-us sentiments over washington's complicity and israeli atrocities in gaza, and bahrain's national assembly is pressing the reverse normalization of the country's relations with israel, in reaction to the regime's genocide in the besege gaza ship.
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