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more than five weeks past since israel's unpresident of war on palestinians in the gaza strip, it's claimed the lives of more than 11, 100 people, mostly women and children so far, now prior to the war, gaza was already called the... largest open air prison on earth, given the israely years long of sie against it, now it's called a graveyard for children or the israel extermination mission is raging, aimed at forcing the palestinians to do away with their motherland and find themselves another place to live, now where deserts or ireland, that was a proposal put forward by israeli minister of heritage few days ago. now welcome to the spotlight, i'm your host najafi, and these are our guests in this episode of the program. ali risk, writer and political

analyst joining us from beirout. also with us tony gosling historian and investigative journalist in bristol. good to you gentlemen. now let's go to beirout first to uh ali. as as you know, israel is now targeting hospitals directly, used to be in the vicinity, before that it was given a warning that. and we're going to uh do this, and they did it, so what does this say about the nature of this regime? well, i think the nature of this regime was revealed quite a long time ago, israel's part of israel's military doctrine, i would say, is to target civilians, in 2006, it targeted the bridges in 1996, we had the kana messa, if you recall that one, where a you on compound which was... housing lebanese civilians was bombed

leading to the death of women and children, so i think the world is accustom to this, or at least the victims, the countries that are of falling fallen victim to israeli aggression, have been accustom to this, but what's happening in gaza has to be said has brought the situation whole new level, the escalation, the targeting of civilians, not just the targeting of hospitals, by the way, what's been unique about this is the targeting of journalists, we've had tens of journalists have been killed in addition to the targeting of hospitals, so i think that um it reveals the true nature of what i would call right-wing zionist terrorism which is represented by the current government, the current israeli government which is in power, and i think that um the more israel is ready politics shifts to the right, the more you're going to see... these acts which stem from

racism and stem from viewing the other individual as being subhuman or not completely human, and this is what this is what we saw in the statements from israeli officials early on, when the israeli effence minister gallant referred to palestinian palestinians as being human animals, so it just goes to show, i think that the zionist supremacy if you would like, which is currently prevailent in the israeli government. okay, jonny gosling, i want your answer on the same question, i mean buse, you can't think of any justification to hit hospitals, what's the use of hospitals and that hamas officials also said, okay, if if you doubt, if you have claims that you can find resistance fighters, bases, whatever, okay, let the un come and have a visit, well these are just lies, the israel right from the very start of this, for example, saying that they had no idea that this was about to happen, been preparing for this type of hamas

attack for years and so that was a lie right from the word go we've just had lie after lie after lie from uh the israeli authorities uh particularly from the... israeli defense forces and this of course has been encouraged by the british and the americans, particularly david potreus, the american general, has been encouraging the israeli defense force to, in quotes destroy hamas, the only thing is uh that 95% or more of the um people being killed in this attempt have been innocent civilians, now this is a of course a war crime, collective punishment of the entire population of gaza is really the most extreme we seen i think so far uh over the years of uh hell that the whole israeli project has been bringing to the palestinian region we in britain here have had a quite a sacred weekend in fact i myself have been to remembrance day service in the local abby here and uh the the idea is that we remember

the war dead particularly from world war two many of whom we knew uh my generation and uh the idea it seems to me that the government and the media, much of the media in britain is trying to do is to is to make equality between the sacrifices made in world war ii to defeat fascism and the nazis who of course were um no strangers to genocide, and that was one of the main reasons that people were so willing to go and fight them uh to put this down, this poison and humanity uh, is that the the there is attempt equate these lives uh lost with those in iraq. and there was no irony on the television today looking from london as uh people who fought in the illegal war in iraq were um being commemorated and interviewed uh as if there was some kind of parallel with the war in in the 1930s and 1940s against hitler so this is

one of the things i think is very perverse about the way the british remembering this because this genocide is most definitely a very british genocide uh if we go if you really. want to remember, let's go back to 1917 and 1918 and look at general allenby's campaign to sweep the ottomans out of palestein uh, and it's it's very, i think interesting to note that in the gaza campaign in 1917, the day that was finished, the balfer declaration was published uh in the times of london, and the same exact thing with the battle of magiddo when the turks were pushed out of northern palestine uh and were forced to sign surrender. that's when the world war, the first world war finished, so it's almost as if uh, the whole point of world war one uh was create was clearing the space for the british to allow the zionists to put the zionist state in there, these are the sorts of things i'd like to have seen being remembered, not uh somebody put on tv

talking about uh how sad it was that someone was uh uh british soldier or airman was was killed fighting illegal war in iraq. right, now i leave back to the same question, why was this request on the part of the palestinian fighters fallen deaf years, why didn't the un or anyone else in charge go there and visit first hand, especially at this shafa hospital that was hit, you because reports saying that israeli soldiers shoot anybody who tries to enter or to leave that hospital. well look, um, it has to be said that the un stands up until now, from my perspective, i was quite surprised in a positive sense, un secretary general antonio gatterres stated that, he clearly said that operation al oxastorm, oxastorm, sorry, did

not stem from vacuum, and that he basically to the fact that um, it was because of the israeli pressure, the israeli settlement activity, etc., the... the palestinians are what led in the end to operation alorm, guteres didn't say that like in exact words, but he clearly was hinting and that at that, and he was subject to heavy criticism, if you recall by the israeli officials, so the un stands, i think been uncritical of israel, now as to why they haven't taken up the request or the invitation issued to go and visit or to investigate, that remains to be seen, don't forget. that the call made by the hamas officials is just days old, so you might very well see the un going in, at the same time, you know, united states of america is the major funder of the un, so obviously the un would fear of any possible repercussions, if it was to go ahead and

investigate, you know the united states cutting off funding, etc. um, that's always a risk, but most importantly, i believe that the majority of the world. has come out against israel, and that i think is what separates this particular conflict from previous conflicts, even the french president, emmanuel macron, called for a seisfire. so indeed you know things are changing and i don't think things are changing for israel's interests. okay, tony speaking of macron and other european leaders, are they really honest in their calls and also we have joe biden and secretive states saying that we don't want to see hospitals hit, and it's the us made weaponry, missiles that are hitting those hospitals, hell fire missiles provided made in the usa, is so... are they honest in this and they're asking for the so-called humanitarian pause, do they really mean it?

well, i think actually, i think they do, many these european leaders have see themselves as now much frier to criticize the united states and britain now, after brexit, and yes they do, and uh, what's i think been going on with the genocide that we've seen over the last month of the 11 and a half thousand. and i think you said was the latest death toll uh mostly almost all civilians being killed uh completely unnecessarily uh because this is not achieving any kind of military aim uh for the israeli defense forces um and that's i think why why this has been allowed to continue uh they have they have also felt pressure from political pressure from within their own countries and they also don't feel wedded as much as they were to uh the anglo-zionist empire anymore uh so that's one the main reasons, i mean also of course there've been ridiculous um inflammatory statements from the well, i wouldn't call

them the zionistts anymore, because they are, many zints are actually out on the streets protesting against this new far right government and particularly against this kind of what they what they call now the the greater israel block, including which of course is hamar ben gaver, he's one of the senior ministers, national security minister there, uh, he's saying anybody who supports palestine's right to self-defense, now they have that. right in international law, anyone that supports them is a terrorist. now this is insane, it's ridiculous, but it's extremely dangerous that these poisonous ideas have been allowed uh to uh get to the into the heads of the those running the armed forces of israel, they're of course encouraged by uh mainly by i think the americans, the british as well sort of uh hanging on the american coat tails, but it's largely pertreus, i think that's been talking to the chief of staff of the israeli defense force and encouraging them, and this is what they they use as kind of cover, which is uh

calling the legitimate defense of of people's right of self-defense as terrorism. now actually what's going on of course by the israelis dropping bombs from the sky is itself terrorism, it is state terrorism, and there's really no difference in one person killing another, the words are don't mean anything except that this is attempt to actually shut down the whole of international law and say uh, well we can just do anything we want in gaza, and really i think there's a it's a kind of elaborate land grab, they're trying to sweep the uh entire population out the way so they can just steal the land. right, now ali, these are anti-israels have been ongoing across the world and africa, and europe, and the western world, and asia, almost everywhere, and uh, londoners in their hundreds of thousands yesterday, they marched on the us embassy, not the israel embass. i'm calling for a hal to these with the genocide, so looks like that londoners have realized

that washington's complicity and role in all of this, i want to ask you, what's in this war for washington? actually, i don't think there's much in this war for washington, i think that the problem with us policies in the middle east is that there isn't a us policy, there's basically a support israel policy, the united states practices policies which don't. serve american interests, they practice policies which serve first and foremost israeli interests. um, joe biden, quickly, there was an automatic reflexive support for israel, he went to tel aviv, i don't think any of this was actually part of a grand plan or scheme. i think there's what i would call a american addiction to supporting israel for various reasons, one of which is the strength of the pro israeli lobby in the us, the other. is the ideological uh viewpoint, you know, there is an ideological mindset which i think is

prevalent in washington, which basically views rightly or wrongly israel as being the good guy, the natural allie, and it's washington's moral duty to defend israel, even if that costs american interests, i think indeed that mindset is at play, and i think it's a psychological defect, if you would like, which washington continues to suffer from. but you know there again, there are changes, there is a progressive camp within the democratic party, people like rashed, elhan omar and even more of some... the more mainstream democrats, for for a reason, an important reason here is that the demographics in america are changing, the democratic party represents the minorities, meaning latinos, african americans, arab americans, all of these minorities traditionally support the democratic party, and because of these minorities, because of the spread the getting a larger presence,

that puts more pressure on the democratic party to adjust its policies, now we haven't seen that play out just yet, because belongs to the older generation, but i think that the more the democratic party continues, maybe to shift towards the left, with the israeli government shifting more towards the right, that is going to create a divergence, i think between the united states and israel, and you're starting to see it slightly, slightly now with these voices in congress who are more and more daring and brave in challenging the pro israelly lobby in washington, right? now uh, tony, there is this division among the israeli officials regarding this war, we have former israeli prime minister barak warning, just five six days ago that tel aviv's image, you know, is changing the world, public opinion, is turning against uh israel, especially in the us, would nanyahu be a type of person to head any such warning?

no, i think he the man is nihalilist, i don't think he will use any kind. of cover uh in order to stay out of jail effectively, but i mean it's a really good question you ask, what's in it for america, what's in it for britain to support this kind of war crime, mass war crime, genocide, uh, you know, and and as i said, it is, i like to to call it very british genocide, because it was most, you know, mostly the british that created this situation in the first place, uh, you know, by uh, by the british mandate in between the two main world wars, uh, you know, so... i think also though, another reason of course is the arms arms industry, they they stand to make a tremendous amount of money out of this, also inside the dealing, when a war takes place, enormous great shifts take place in stock markets, people can make lot of money uh on the derivatives market gambling on those big stock changes, i wouldn't put that past uh some of the uh bank banksters uh to to be

betting a war um and oil prices of course fluctuates if you know you're about to do something and change the price, you can make lot of money on that, but then there's also this uh encouragement which has been going on now uh since i think the zionist project started really of of having a religious war in the middle east with kind of fake version of judaism which is essentially a peace-loving religion uh fake version very much like the salafists uh occupied the space of islam and tried to um really just take that. and weaponize it, so this is what really has been going on, i think with the israelis, they're weaponizing judaism, they've been weaponizing it in britain to get rid of the pro-palestinian support within the conservative and the labour parties, for example, accusing them of antisemitism, and so uh, you know, this religious and one thing that absolutely illustrates why i'm saying is the way that jews have been out on the streets of london protesting against the uh

genocide in gaza, this is the namod group, i'm sure. respondents have come across, and also of course the neturi carter, the orthodox jews and even if you go back to the bible, you'll find in the new testament, a discussion about the synagogue of satan, so this is something which i think is is there in the literature, it's just it's a bit too hot to handle, it has been in the past anyway, and now we starting to see the weaponization of judaism against gaza, right, which has of course zionism, which has nothing to do with semitism and all that, yeah, okay, we don't have time. to discuss that, we we'll leave it for another time. now ali, what's what's the plan? the million dollar question, is tel aviv held bent on exterminating all palestinians in gaza, be it resistance fighters or civilians, or is it going to push them out of their land, which is burning to ashes and grab that land or maybe both? before i answer that question,

just quickly about the religious factor, that's a very important point because indeed, there are many american. members of the elite who buy into this narrative of a jeudo christian alliance against muslims. i even read one american military commander speaking about the american military espousing judo christian values, so that ideological factor, ideological, religious factor is strongly present when you want to talk about american uh support for the israeli side. as to the plan, is it to expel the palestinians or um, i'm not sure the israelis have a clear plan in that regard, they talk about netanyahu has been making remarks all over the place, sometimes he's saying that we want to expel sometimes is saying that a prisoner swap will lead to eventually to a ceasefire, so i think the israelis are a bit in a in kind of a mess as to what their actual goals are, but it

seems to be the case that they are not yet ready uh to end this war, and that the mindset of revenge is still playing the major role, that's still what is steering this current conflict, be it from netanyahu or gallant or other senior israel official that mindset of revenge is still center stage and that's why i think the war is going to take some time and even american pressures if you can notice, i'm not sure we can call them pressures, i'm not sure, i think they're half-hearted american attempts maybe, but um, you know, the situation as it is doesn't look promising as to seeing an imminent end towards this war, i think we have some time to go. okay, let's see what tony thinks about this, what's the plan? tony, this is a scorsh earth policy. what do they want uh that's land in ashes for? well they do want the land, they most definitely do, but there are other ways of doing this, and the idea of just simply killing all the civilians uh

seems to me be very very very extreme, maybe they are just in a bit of a hurry to grab the land, of course this has been going on ever since the creation of the israeli state and before it in fact in 1948 uh more and more land being stolen by uh the the um israeli state and the israeli defens for. forces of course they're not defending hard at all, are they? they they are, in fact when they were called to defend in uh on october the 7th they didn't seem to be around, they disappeared for about seven hours uh, allowing much, many things to go on, which i'm sure will be looked into, including this thing, the hannibal doctrine, where uh the israeli defense forces would even turn on their own people rather than allow them to be taken hostage, so i mean the end game seems to me to be just simply to sweep uh palestinians out of the entire. a strip and into egypt and uh then to take the land to steal the land, actually along the coast there is very beautiful and very very uh good real estate uh and uh so this is the sort of

thing that the un has really got to uh come down hard on uh and i'm just amazed really that the arab states have been so restrained in not intervening further you know in a military fashion because uh you know of course the israelis are likely to take that as an excuse to to kill even more palestinians and even faster rate uh, so we we really do need, i think that two one of two things to happen, either the us or britain to call for a ceasefire, and then i think we see the guns fall silent, the aircraft from the air, maybe even taking some more extreme measures like a no fly zone uh brought in by the united nations by uh states around there uh if at all possible to stop these uh israeli aircraft and drones uh dropping dropping bombs on this area, we're seeing day after day, no let up in this, and there has to be letup, the prayers from all over the world are calling for this, and there should be political and military

demands to back that up. okay, maybe it should start with actually the defunding the israel regime and also stopping sending arms to them in the first place. thank you so much for that, ellie resc, writer and politic analys in beirout, tony gustling, historian investigative journalists in bristol, and thank you for watching this episode of the spotlight, i've been your host by...

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