michigan democrats who support the ceasefire, so you cannot censor that, and there was a lot more that she did say as well, so please of take a time to watch that video info if you can. there sure was, so as the atrocities go on, no call for a ceasefire, but israel is tightening the strangle hold on gaza, yes and even um calling for the seasfire as or even the marches or anything like that as being anti-semitic, she says it's quite a very dangerous - sort of uh precedent to set and here we have the next story from times of ghaza which is it's it's no words um it's a very short video but it kind of tells you story that we all have been hearing and now we can see let the video speak for itself there's no audio on this one but it's easy to see what's happening there's no need for it yes and these are children holding empty

bottles to that pipe, hoping they can fill it up and and drink some water to stay hydrated. it's it's no words to what's happening right there, and even though we talk constantly about the um the war crimes and the humanitarian crisis, this is real as to what's happening, that the basics are not reaching people, and the bombardment is continuing without any assistance for even um in people that are just on the streets. trying to live and survive in a territory that almost half are children, yes, half of the population. for all its drawbacks, the rise of social media has provided a way for palestinians to share their daily lived experiences and is exposing the weakness in the deeply skewed narratives that have of dominated public discourse. latifa abukra is back with us to uh share with us how that

having an impact lativa? well, people are actually starting to question why the american people, the the bible belt of america specifically, the ones with uh so much power and influence, um, why they are so supportive of israel? is it is, is it a monotheistic, you know, brotherhood, is that what it is? let's have look. idea is that once jews return to israel, jesus christ will come back earth and rapture christians up. to heaven, and in some interpretations, this will actually lead to the death of two-thirds of all jews. doesn't quite sound like the holiest alliance does it? still, the state of israel is more than happy to accept evangelical christian support. listen to what israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu told attendees of this evangelical conference. now there are millions and millions of devout christians who stand with israel, so i want to thank you on behalf of all the people of israel. so what do palestinian christians think of all this? you have. have my sisters and brothers were

supposed to be my support, actually doing all their best to support the ones who are oppressing us. it makes me angry. that's munder ishak, a palestinian pastor who lives in bethlehem, the city believed to be the birthplace of jesus. by the way, bethlehem is now surrounded by this massive israeli wall and military checkpoints. why is there read of of the bible so different? evangelicals read the bible in a very literal and simple way. they see in it an image of god was a tribal god who favors one. nation over everyone else based on of promise that's thousands of years old. considering christianity preaches equality and loving thy neighbor. i wondered, how does someone like sharon justify her support of israel? the idea is that so the christian evangelical support for israel is very well established, it's common place, but this video seems to suggest that there is more to it that meets they. it's it's suggesting very clearly that it's an anti-semit, it's an anti-semitic stance, you know they want the... jewes out of their own

vicinity, back into you know palestine, because that will facilitate the return of jesus, which apparently according to their prophecies, will kill two-thirds of jews, it's really um, it's it's it's a really sick alliance, and it's something that israel doesn't care about because israel doesn't care about christians, they they will happily accept public opinion, and they've said so many occasions that the american people are stupid and that they will capitalize on on their stupidity. and they will just throw words around like isis and alqaida and nazi and 911 and they'll just play on the emotions of the um of the americans to rally their support to take their money, which is what's been happening, but what we're about to watch now is the this nuance, um, this change narrative where americans are starting to see the uh the truth because of citizen journalism and they're starting to ask questions about where their tax money is being spent. given these bombings are being

done using our tax dollars, perhaps we should ask some questions. for example, how does bombing a densely populated landstrip fill 50% with children? constitute self-defense, how does bombing hospitals, churches, mosks and un schools constitute self-defense? well, you say, if hamas fighters are hiding in the hospital using the civilians as human shields, okay, let's say they are. are you arguing that flattening the hospital and killing newborns in their incubators and their moms in the nicu, cancer patients, someone with a broken leg, the doctors, nurses and just the women and kids hiding in the hospital, that that's not a war crime, because you would be wrong. according to international law. if you were teenager, living an open air prison, getting bombed day and night by let's say mexico, and mexican police kicked in the door and rated your house anytime they wanted and turned off the water and cut off your food. what are you going to do, side with them, help them while you're dying? that's like asking why black

folks don't help or trust the police, and given these bombings are part of the so called turn into the tide is attributed to the emergence of these young, knowledgeable, articulate palestinian men and women who have been... resisting, documenting everything and sharing it with the rest of the world. absolutely, uh, you know, the heroes of our time, really and truly. well, what i love about um what this lady has done is that she's taken that information and she's really making it relatable, she's asking the questions, you know, she she's talking to the black community and she's saying, would you help the police, you know, look at what they've done to us, even if uh, would would you, would you hand over someone who was trying to help your own people doing it in a a way that the police didn't like, would you help that? would you turn them over, you know, the standard people, the standard american, would you help uh, if mexicans were coming in and they were doing this, would you turn over your own people according to them, if they were brutalizing you in this way? i love, i love this questioning, and i think it's very reflective of how everybody in america is starting to question the

narrative. um, your next story, not too far away from where the genocide is taking place, a country that has embraced and championed the palestinian cause and has in paying heavy price as a result, absolutely, iran is is an absolute champion of of not just the palestinians, certainly the longest uh partners with palestine for peace uh, but certainly for all oppressed groups all around the world, it's very well established, something that constantly is brought up to um in discussion, especially in the arab world is where is iran now, why aren't they doing enough? and this gentleman, he his response is just topp here, let's have look. شو هالسؤال هذا؟ انه ايران اليوم بتسال ايران وينها وما بتسال 15 رئيس عربي وينه؟ ما بتسال اربع ملوك عرب وينهم؟ ما بتسال اميرين عرب وينهم؟ ما بتسال السلطان اللي موجود في في احدى الدول، وين هو؟ هودي كله مجتمعين، لم يتداعوا

لانقاز غزه موقفها الى جانب، two. narrative of intrusion, domination and and foreign power duplicy? and still, you know, they resist, they resist the colonial imperialism of of europe and america, and they are drawing the world to islam and to the truth, and they they are bringing so much peace to people's hearts, these are these questions that um people had about what, what is our meaning in life, um, they're seeing. something so tragic happening before their eyes and certain people are lying together and it's really making them realize true purpose of this life which is for us to enjoying the good and forbid the evil um and speaking of forbidding the evil you know we all have a responsibility within our own countries to

stand for what's right and the way that many people are able to do that is physically on the ground in protests and in london that's under threat so as we can see here and people will probably be aware that in the uk we've got the home secretary and the prime minister who are having meetings with the police, look listen to this, they have meetings with police chiefs to hold them accountable and question why they are allowing the police, are allowing members of the public to protest as if you know, as if they live in a democracy, god forbid, you know, for them to exercise this right, um, and they're calling them hate marches and. it's it's the minimum that you know that people can do to to stand up for the cause um of the palestinians, but also to what realistically what can you do, you can boycot and you can you know speak against your oppressor, physically speaking, something that everybody can do and everyone

is united on, is is this march, and that right is under attack by the government here, let you f with chakra, thank you. all right, let's continue the conversation with my guests in the studio and on skype. i'll start with um khalid, and i want to ask you about your reaction to any of the stories that you'. heard um before this segment, perhaps on the uh rashida tele of the palestinian congress woman's uh comments inside the us congress as well as the the censuring by her fellow congress women and men? i think it was pretty sad to watch and um the amount of dehumanization that she received in the united states when she was calling for very very basic um things um they've accused her of anti-semitism when all she was calling for was a ceasefire. "i mean it was pretty sad um to see and it's not just um in the united states we're seeing it here with them

labeling our protests as hate marches and um dehumanizing basically all muslims and we're seeing in our schools as well where many students are being referred to um to to prevent um for wearing the palestinian flag or discussing a ceasefire in schools and this rhetoric really has to stop and this censorship just goes to show are we really living in um free societies where we can speak about whatever we want because in the united states and in the uk we can call our um leaders any word in the book, but the minute you touch israel, it becomes huge issue, so um, it's being highlighted now more than ever, and i think it's being exposed openly, and our governments are just not even reacting to it because they know that everyone knows that you cannot criticize israel. government reaction, and sakin, i want to continue that with you, we've seen signs of descent here with the labor front bencher imran hussein. resigning uh to advocate for a gaza ceacefire, is there now a reckoning from uk politicians that their

constituents are not happy about their inhumane behavior? i think that is happening, for sure that is happening, and not only at that level, not only at the government level, but we just talking about for example, the nurse in the us, rashida, you know, these are things that we didn't see happening before, so even though this not the first time that gaza has been plunged into the kind of. that it has happened, but we are seeing people in places that were not there before, who are speaking out, like i said before, i think it is very easy to get into a gloom and doom and say everything is negative, but it isn't, and and i think we are seeing the same in in britain and we are seeing that the people, the people on the grassroots, those who genuinely are you know not part of the government of the ruling elite, this people are actually taking a stock and are requestioning their alliances because it's one thing you know to have listen to bbc for

example years after years and to believe that these are terrorists hamas are terrorists but it's another thing when you watch kid not being able to have drop of water it makes you question yourself and people are questioning themselves in the western world so i wouldn't say that you know it's all sadness it's all negative no of course they are challenges they are huge challenges. and these are the challenges that we have to rise up to, when i think we there is fear factor, people are being clamped down, speech is being clamped now, no doubt about that, but i think i we need to take inspiration from gaza, if if those people are not scared to lay down their lives and will thank god for doing that, i mean what reason do we have to fear for the loss of income, for the fear of loss of you know connections, we are not really facing what? they are facing over there, and so if we are in any way to talk about solidarity

with palestinians, it's for us now to stand up and to say, we won't be silenced, and and there is a wealth of information out there, and they say, in the age of information, not wanting to know is is a choice, ignorance is a choice, um, khalid, the same question to you um, that i asked sakina earlier, yes, so i think um, sorry, what was the question that we have seen? here uh signs of descent with the labor front bencher imran khan resigning to advocate for the ghaza ceasfire. do you think there is a reckoning from uk politicians that their constituents are not happy about their inhumane stance on what's happening in the ghaza trip as we speak? of course, i mean many of these um labor leaders that get voted in our mps, they're voted in by their constituents, so if the constituent is not happy with the leader that's currently in um and where they stand on genocide, that should definitely be called into question, and it's actually a good thing, like sakina

just said that, many of these um mps and leaders are resigning because they want to be on the right side of history, when this gaza war does, you know, hopefully end very, very soon, people will be um will be noticed as to who spoke up and who did not, and i think that many um people with real morals and ethics want to be on the right side of history, hence why is we're seeing this. all right, um, stay with me, both of you, please, we're we're going to have uh look at the dire humanitarian situation on the ground in gaza, the intermit opening of the rafa croassing the soul lifeline into gaza has been a real barrier to saving lives there a volker turk, the un high commissioner for human rights, had this to say. the rough crossing has been the symbolic lifeline for the last month for the 2.3 million in gaza. the lifeline has

been unjustly, outrageously. same: these are the gates to living nightmare, nightmare where people have been suffocating, under persistent bombardment, warning their families, struggling for water, for food, for electricity and fuel. my colleagues are among the ones who are trapped and among those who have lost family members, suffering sleepless nights, filled with agony, rage and desp. living nightmare. now palestinian prime minister muhammad styaya was in france, urging the international community to do more to save the lives of innocent men, women and children being killed by israeli bombardment. the gathering in paris brought together officials from western and arab nations, the

united nations and ngos with the aim of providing urgent aid to civilians in the gaza strip. is being pounded by israel. how many palestinians must die for the war to stop? will having six children killed every hour be enough? will having four women killed an hour be enough? will it be enough to kill 10,000 people in 30 days? which is more than those killed in ukraine in 530 days? will wounding 25,000 people be enough, some of which will die due to the lack of medicine. will a month with no medicine or water or electricity or shelter be enough, will destroying 240,000 housing units be enough, and fahim muhammad is back with us with the follow up to her first offering of palestine in the media and fahima a plea for protection from the people, from the children of gaza, well following on

from what uh sakina did mention about taking inspiration from gaza, i think this is perfect story to... to follow on um as the children actually understand genocide and suffering and they are holding their own press conference outside al shif hospital speaking in english so nobody can you know say that they do not understand them especially uh ignore them and we're going to see what they have to say shortly since the 7th of october we face extermination killing boming falling over our heads all all of this of... in front of the world, they lie to the world that they kill the parties, but they kill the people of gaza, their dreams and their future, kids of gaza run out of death once and once, we come to al-shifa hospital to keep us from bowing, we suddenly run out the more after bowing the hospital, the

occupation is starving us, we don't find water, just noticed that that tweet was shared by uh laura alvarez, jeremy corban's partner. yes, um, it is actually something which is quite um emotional, and at the same time, um, lot of people are here saying, you know, look and listen to the children if you're not listening and you know seeing the truth of what's happening, so they're trying all out to say, help us, protect us, see us, hear us, and so you can't get it, exactly, exactly, so that's what we have um for. the inspiration from gaza, but now we come back to island with our richard boyd barrett, who is actually talking about, which he continuously speaks about, speaking up and not letting israel get away with it, and how much more are we going to take for this genocide to continue, and we'll hear a little bit about what he says now as well. i have a simple question for you, how many innocent

palestinian civilians, men, women and children does. israel have to slaughter, how many war crimes does israel have to commit, how much death and destruction, does israel have to visit on the people of gaza and palestine, before you will call for and impose sanctions on israel, and expel the israeli ambassador from this country, and call for the immediate referral of israel to the... international criminal court for crimes against humanity and war crimes, well it kind of echoes everything that we've been speaking about already from yourselfs and our guests as to how you know so much is happening and israel keeps getting away with it with no accountability and um and also all their intentions have been declared openly and publicly by their ministers, their

spokespersons, the idf, whoever it is, and again still no action has been taken for the ceasefire or any accountability for their war crimes, those are very good questions, i wonder what the answers of those questions are really uh, do these western politicians know the answer and and are? not letting anyone know or do they just not know, it it's really mind boggling. um, here in the uk, attempts by politicians, um, to suppress protest and criticism of israel, or even to call for a ceasefire. yes, we have uh sky news interviewing our prime minister rishi sunak, um, where he also uh openly says that he thinks that these marches are disrespectful, and obviously they'... still have to go ahead only because legally there's nothing that's holding them back and that's the only reason, but again let's listen to what he has to say before we go further. yeah, this is decision that the metropolitan

police commissioner has made and he has said that he can ensure that we safegards remembrance for the country this weekend as well as keep the public safe. now my job is to hold him accountable for that and we've ask the police for information on how they will ensure that this happens. you know my viewers that these marches are - respectful and uh that's what i'll be discussing with the police commissioner later today. his his stance is pretty yeah yeah strong and his home secretary has gone even further. absolutely and he's obviously sticking by with the same rhetoric and uh putting lot of pressure on the met police um to act accordingly um on this particular incident as well when there's so many others that go by and we never seen this kind of um pressure being put when they are doing the best they can and they also upholding the law by letting these marches continue because there's nothing that is actually illegal or unlawful and majority of it week after week, coming to the fourth week has been peaceful,

in defiance of what the government has been saying and and also that the march is happening after the minute of silence this day, on another location as well, a different location, thank you very much, we'll hear more from you tomorrow, now um let's continue to the... discussion with my guests in the studio and on skype, i'll start with um abraham rather, and khalid, fahim mentioned there earlier, the prime minister and home secretary and their clear anti-palestinian rhetoric, is this a clear sign that the palestinians are not considered equal, if even peaceful marches in their names are considered problematic by the government here, think it's more than just um just ruling out the palestinians and um dehumanizing us, i think it's just the entire um arab world and the muslims that come out,

because the israelis have held multiple protests and we've not heard for any of them to have been canceled and in fact in our protests and the the amount of arrests that happened in comparison to the turnouts are actually very very minor and there was um and the police came out and the met police came out and they said that there was no intelligence or anything to um lead that any kind of terrorist attack would take place. or anything inappropriate is taking place, so i think it's just branding all muslims and anyone who turns up to these protests as some sort of savages who are sticking up the people who are involved in terrorism, bearing in mind that many of um these protests also include many jews, um, many jews from israel too who are actually calling for the seas fight, i've seen it myself, so um, it's just - a way to um shut people down and to continuously support israel, and and zakina, we've seen blowback uh from this now. here for people who are openly vocally vocally supporting palestine, mps getting suspended for doing so, again calling for a ceasefire,

what have you experienced in your professional life? i think they really are cracking down, no doubt about that, i think a lot of not me personally, but i know that lot of journalists for example have been receiving messages really underhand, you know whatsapp messages, threatening them from you, getting... from unnamed you know sources, but also i think there is a bigger problem, so for example, one of the things i've experienced is working with charity organizations, lot of these are muslim charitable organizations, and i don't exactly know what messaging they are getting, but there is lot of censorship that's happening, whether it's self censorship or they are being told, i don't know, but i see for example that in the beginning days, they they were out there. openly talking, and now you will not find even the word palestinians, most of them have removed the palestinian flags and their fear fearful because they may not get funding from the government, they are

charitable, so uh there is fear that is going through, obviously people are getting arrested, and and i think you know the home secretary, suela bravman, i think her and rishi sunnak, they're competing to to sound you know more pro pro israeli than the other continuously, but think i think you know they can do all that and they can threaten, but i think resistance is not going away. and with those comments we're coming to the end of the show. let me thank my guests, sakina datu and khalid jamal, and of course you for watching us. gaza under attack, we'll be back tomorrow with more. until then, goodbye.

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