four primes against palestinians. as the death hole mounts on day. 40 of the israel war in gaza, the israeli regime continues to target hospitals, in particular the al shafa hospital, claiming that hamas is using it as a command and control center and holds captives there. hamas has repeatedly denied that and asked the un to visit the place and prove the falshood of the claim. israeli forces who waided the medical center today have not found anything to that effect. in this edition of the spotlight we will look at the israeli genicidal war, the us support for the continuation of this war, and how israel's goal is to impose another nakba on the palesty. these are the guests for this

edition of the spotlight. patrick henningson is a geopolitical analyst who joins us from los angeles. also joining us is john phoenix, journalist and international relations expert who joins us from london. welcome to you both. first i will start with you patrick if i may and we are taking a look at ash hospital as you well aware that's being targeted by the regime forces. um at this point we understand that that has included murdering palestinians. they've arrested some. not only patients, but also people work there like engineers, and at the same time obviously patients alives are at risk, because overall they wanted to evacuate the hospital, i'm not too sure if they're going to be able to do that, and this is all under the understanding that they think that the hospital is being used for military purposes by hamas, no evidence of that, nothing has been shown yet, uh, what do you think about the fact that the hospital which is being targeted by israel, and that is something that is banned under international law. yeah,

it is, it is pretty amazing, i mean, we've seen the systematic targeting of medical facilities, multiple hospitals, in fact in total, you could say 16 hospitals have been targeted, have been disabled, or some cases destroyed by the israeli occupation forces, along with the at least 30 other primary care facilities, multiple shelters as well, including un shelters, so one has to ask why this policy of target hospitals specifically there's seems to be some sort of objective here, and one can only say that uh, from the inside from the propaganda value of being able to claim that uh that hamas is somehow has these secret bases under all these hospitals or they're hiding entrances to tunnels or weapons, cachets, we've heard just about everything, the only thing we haven't heard yet is that they're hiding weapons of mass destruction under one of these hospitals and don't be surprised if that comes out from the idf uh in the next couple of days, who knows? but the the the sort of the pr

performative skits that we've seen are kind of really an act of desperation because i think what they're trying to do the israelis is to vindicate this bombing campaign against these civilian areas in northern gaza somehow to vindicate all this to justify it by finding quote evidence that it was all worth it because we found this hamas command and control center supposedly and there is no receipts for this they've been uh not able to come up with any real evidence other and these sort of hammpfisted attempts by members of the idf or spokes people saying that this is how we found this evidence and we've got of this here and then now we're providing aid so we're actually helping the people in al-shifa hospital i mean and it's ridiculous in the extreme. all right uh the the thing that you mentioned there about the aid also we need to discuss the way that they think that they're providing aid. but john phoenix uh uh when you take a look at the credibility of uh israel we don't need to look that far back in terms of just uh days where you have. uh the

claim on the al rantissi hospital uh where you had the israeli spokesperson for the army point to the or maybe one of the israeli regime forces pointing to calendar that was hung a wall that claimed to be a target list if you recall that and also the elevator shaft that was claimed to be a tunnel so that is debunked now that really puts israel a shaky footing um to say the least here uh so um how can that be backed by the us uh and the us to support that claim, well not this particular claim, but the claim that hospitals are being used as the for military pur purposes, or is the us just taking uh whatever israel is feeding it to be okay and for it to back it, what is what is your thoughts on this? well, mean you don't need to go far, let you start from the the allegation of that the 40. 40

children and a photo which is shown to him by the israelis, as you understand the the domastic policy in the state, the uh is so strong enough to control, obviously this spobbits, they repeating the israeli lies, i mean let's say just go back to the beginning of your question about the tan, let's assume for few minutes that it was, tener under ashfa hospital. well, i do understand why if there is stunner on the hospital, what the justification of killing medical 202 nurses and doctors was killed and the 40 days, 36 civil defense, 53 ambulances been destroyed in the street and 25 hospitals being

destroyed, they was invited by lot of international bodies to allow them to visit the hospitals as a witness and to try to visit the hospital and see if there is any tunnels in anyway they enter the hospital early morning and the hospital now being converted from hospital to the detention camp where the refugees who thought this is safe heaven for them nearly 5000 people there some some of the people were being killed in yard outside the buildings they cannot even be reach because the snipers if you try to rescue anybody the sniper will kill people who try to rescue. some of them for the last four days now dying from wind and starvation and hunger, you know, so anyway they take over the hospital, they did not find anything under the hospital, okay, so what's a justification walking in and destroying the

medical facilities and bombing the warehouse, which is got a few what left from the medicine and other machinery in the hospital, you know, it is design policy to destroy the health service, to punish the palestinis as much as he can, so the question is now, what other lies the come obviously with soon, the calendar you just mention to, if you know more about the hospital where they actually went in there, the arabic verse which he says planning attack on the 8 of october, it was added actually, you can see see if you look close, it was added, the not short of lot of write arabic anyway, the names of the individuals on that list they are member of the hospitals, you can actually investigate that because still alive, so the problem is

zin cannot really, they are not good liers, every time they lie they get exposed, sure, well you make a statement there, patrick hanning, our guest makes a statement there that based on what he said, then therefore he concludes that israel just wants to punish palestinians. now um, that is, that is the that is the question here, why is israel doing that? and uh, one analyst has said that israel commits war crimes by punishing palestinians, because it's not, this is not by design, it's actually by default, that that is what it wants to do. now the question is, why has israel pursued the genocidal war that it has in? this particular war in the form and manner that it has, previous wars, yes, disproportionate, lots of palestinians were murdered, but not to this degree, but this is for patrick hanning, i'm sorry, patrick, go ahead, sure, sure, look, it's

it's there, there's obviously vendetta, there's obviously vengeance motive, or at least that's how it's been framed for these. public for the israeli political body as well, for the west that on october 7th that hamas carried out all these various alleged atrocities, beheaded babies, etc., mass rape and all these things that there haven't been any real evidence produced to validate, that's that formed the narrative that justified this kind of overwhelming reaction by the israeli occupation forces, this rapacious bombing campaign, suspension. of all norms in terms of international law, geneva conventions that all of that needs to be suspended because of the quote horrors of what happened to the israeli settlers etc. on october 7th, even though lot of those have been systematically debunked most of all by the israeli press as well and eye witnesses

within israel, so that that's one reason, it's a kind of weapons-free, you know, the gloves are off, uh, we're going to go in with maximum force and we don't care who dies or gets in the way. all collateral damage and the quote war on terror, that's one side, here's the other side, it's a political dimension. benjamin netanyahu in this government have basically gotten elected on this idea that they're the secure. security administration, that netanyahu is the security prime minister, that he and only he can guarantee the security of israeli settlers in all of these dubious locations in the occupied territories, and that's part of the the the whole sales pitch of modern israel, that they are safe, there's one place in the world where uh jewish people can come from around the world and the diaspor can return to their homeland and be safe, well obviously it's it's the most least safe place in the world, so if he's not the security prime minister and if this is not the security administration, they cannot go back to their voters or their support base and

claim they are, because all that was shattered on october 7th, so what are they? they have to double down, so instead of being the security prime minister of the security administration, they have to become the genocide uh prime minister and the genocide government administration, and this is very popular sales line to lot of the hard line in this. we need to get rid of them, we need to exterminate them, we need to make life so miserable and so unlivable that they'll have no choice but to flee to the south of gaza and then maybe if we're lucky to the sinai desert where they can live in tense cities. this is what israeli officials are saying publicly and have been saying, and not just israeli, but also officials in the united states as well, and other country supporting israel. so it's almost like they've backed themselves into a corner on this hard line. that there's no other way other than to to execute a sort of final solution if you will

for what they call the palestinian problem in in their what they believe is all the greater israel area so this is the problem and i think this is what you're seeing here doubling down and really going from bad to worse throwing bad money after bad money this is what israel's strategy unfortunately they don't have any other strategy other than sort of to back off and admit they made huge mistake here that's not going. to happen, well let's look at what john phoenix said there, patrick henning about israeli officials and uh what they feel about palestinians, basically amounting for them to be uprooted, the extreme minister smotrich said voluntary migration of palestinians in his gaza is the right humanitarian solution. you have danny dunan, who wa is a former ambassador to the un, he has made also an editorial or a commentary in the wall street journal suggesting moving some people of gaza to nations that will... accept them and also uh the most recent the former director of israel's spy agency shinbet um he said that

uh tel aviv was rolling out of nakbah in the ghaza strip this is what netanyahu wanted to do from the onset and now we're seeing that come out even though netanyahuld uh this uh former director of shet that he shouldn't have said that but that appears to be obviously what israel wants to do uh do you think that uh do you agree with that and uh do you think they're going to go. through with this or not? john phoenix. yes, so well, just remind our listeners that it was a plan actually come to light, obviously that the israeli secret service had a plan where the palestinians should be all driven to senai. was actually talk about that before the the genocide, the slaughter of the palestinians between united states and egypt and israel, so it's not a surprise, the intense killing

the palestinians is to drive them, as batric said, drive them to the south, and in the south will be obviously people interrupt, no food, no medicine, no gas, no light, and bunny, as you see now, the bunding is still on the south, they asking people to move from the north, they move, they bomb them in a way, and if they arrive there, they'... bomb them in the south, if you look at the last week, most of the boming in canunis, rafah, which is bordering egypt, they intend to do that to force the palestinians to force themselves to the egyptian side, where they after they enter the egypt, you block the the border and that's it, you are out of gaza, that's the whole idea is to push the palestinians and this was a plan actually revealed by the israeli media, it's just actually before the... attack discipline was there, you know, just also want to ask something, netanyahu, he is also in shaky

ground, as you, he was indicted for corruption, he's tried to survive as much as he can for his political life, and that's why he allied himself with this gang of fascists like him, in regard to uh, he said that palestinians shoultally move out of gaza to outside gaza. you know that's the same man who when the settlers attacked huara and westbank and killed palestinians and burn hundreds of cars and homes he said is no hawara exist and he has apologize after that, so the bunch of new nazis sitting in the parliament deciding the faith of the palestinians, some of them even calling using nuclear, yet israel been deming having a nuclear for nearly 50 years, now some of them calling the use the nuclear in gaza, sure, sure, indeed, let's let's look at the uh

attention that people have given to this cause patrick hennington when it comes to palestine in the form of the protests that have taken place. and in particular um the us has really um had people come out in droves and masses a couple weeks ago i believe it was in washington dc where they marched towards the white house and uh i'm sure you're well aware of that um i was quite uh surprised and then at the same time shocked to hear that an israeli organization was offering 250 bucks uh and it called a microgrants to pay college students to attend a dc rally that was supposed to happen on november 14th i don't how that went down. or not, but uh, when you take a look at the protest in the us in the way form and manner that it is, does the us administration see what has occurred, and these are not just people coming out saying, what, how can i say uh, surface slogans, we're talking deep slogans here, we're talking their awareness, their knowledge about the palestinian cause

and the conflict itself, and i'm thinking it's because of the fact that they have seen so many wars happen, but this uh messes to come out, will that rattle the cage of officials in the white house and particular the man at the top, joe biden? well, probably uh joe biden's completely insulated from any reports of any significant numbers even in washington dc, he's probably being briefed, they're carefully, careful not to let him know about certain things that are happening, so he'll be generally oblivious to all of this, i would think, he's not the type of person who's very canny, who will be very interested in details and what's going on in real terms any way. in the us, but they've really been caught by surprise, lot of people underestimated the level of public support for the palestinian cause, they tried very hard in the media to frame it as pro-hams demonstrations or anti-semitic demonstrations, but of course it's none of that, the pro-palestinian movement, the cause of pre-dates uh woke, anti-woke, it predates all these administrations, we're going back

50 years, it's always been about liberation, it's always been an anti-apartide issue right? along south africa for decades, so now you're seeing the numbers grow each week on week, more people coming out on the streets and i think what you see is that you know while there's a degree of astroturfing uh you know by some some groups that are seeing to capitalize off this movement, everybody agrees no matter who they are, that this is about right and wrong, this is about human rights, this is about preserving lives, it's about opposing genocide, ethnic cleansing and war crimes and lot of people from different stripes can come. together and agree on those basic human principles, that's why you're seeing the numbers you're seeing on the street, and there's a big difference between those people, which are growing and showing themselves by the millions globally, and government and mainstream media, which are defending the very narrow israeli party line on this, which is really having trouble, it's a house of cards really, it's having trouble

legitimizing itself in the face of what are effectively open war crimes by the netanyahu. regime and the state of israel, and they're seeing that this systematic oppression has been incurring for 75 years, 80 years, and they're realizing this just didn't happen or start on october 7th, young people get it, unfortunately lot of older people, especially in median government, unfortunately don't get it, so that's why you have this massive disconnect, it's only going to grow. uh, john phoenix, the israely foreign minister, just a day ago said that he expects the international pressure on israel to rise. significantly within two to three weeks. now my question obviously comes out, why would he think there hasn't been a rise, that's significant enough, he must have seen the protest happening worldwide, but that kind of gives a maybe an idea as to how long this war would last, do you think, the fact that he has made that kind of a statement? i believe

with the uh what just better described the thousands of people in the streets, mean i just seen video of tredo, the prime minister of canada being in a restaurant and he was kicked out of the restaurant by people chanting sex fire now, i think the european leaders now feeling the heat that the staying silence is is the crime itself, you know, so i believe there is some kind of connection or sometime communication between the... americans and the european leaders, enough is enough, because the world cannot bear to see all this slaughters with childrens and women's, i mean, if you look at the first week. when hamas attacked the settlers, they was a crying wolf that look, they kidnapped children, women, they attack people, which is

most of the people got killed that day was killed by israelly helicopters, but they got at that time simpty for nearly 10 days, you know, but the money they retaliated with this barbaric scale of retaviation, now they losing the the plot, they were thinking that... people now with the thousands of civilians killed, they're not really gonna uh, you see stay silence. talking about the accusation of being anti-samit if you support the palestinians, well there is also not to forget that there is hundreds of american jews from jewish voice for peace was actually demonstrating in washington against the the slot the palestinians, so i think there is a pressure on them, i think that class that soon with the economic factor, because also

they having difficulties, no schools, no jobs, no factories in the country, they 2000 settlers moved out of the border plaza being hosted somewhere e fade, looked after, the same thing with the north of palestine lebanon, there is. also nearly 180,000 uh, so that's going to be a strong factor for them to stop their mini holocaust in gaza, yeah, indeed, and let's go with that, and patrick, you, when you have uh, any hopes of this war ending, which hopefully at some point is going to end sooner than later, uh, israel has to then go back to the reality, not go back, but face the reality that's unfolding there in the occupied territories, we know how things were before this uh war broke out, things were tense on so many different fronts uh regarding you know those protests that were happening, the judicial ones, now you

have the elevated tensions between the palestinians and the israelis, especially the settlers, so it has to face that, and that's another war in itself, really, taking a look at what's happening there on the streets, along with the cost, that is $250 million a day uh, i think israel is uh facing, do you think? israel is going to be able to come out of this. and one minute please. well, yeah, economically, the they've got huge problems, not just the cost of the war, but also lost income, which is going to affect their gdp. uh, they're already having to go to the international money markets to raise funds, uh, bonds and domestically issuing bonds to try to raise money. the central bank is having to uh, you know, i don't, 30 billion to stabilize the sheckle, which is very unstable at the moment, so it's it's it's having a bad effect on the israeli. economy, but also people leaving the country as well, who you obviously can just go to to to florida or new york or wherever they're from and just kind of flee the trouble uh when

things get a little bit warm. northern israel is also many of the settlements, towns are empty, they've been completely evacuated, there's only active service, reservists and maybe elderly left there, so all right, thank you very much for that, thank you patrick henningson, geopolitical analyst from los angeles, and thank you john phoenix, journalist and international relations. expert from london, with that we come to an end for this edition of the spotlight, for me and the team, it's goodbye.

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