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it's you know if i don't know what they're trying to do at the stage, but people are seeing past this and they're actually laughing at the zionists because this this is not going to work anymore losing all credibility and an unnamed us official was cited by cnn in the past few days as saying in a diplomatic cable that we're losing badly on the messaging battle space, which is why they're resorting to such, we know that they've spent since and this was in the first week. literally of of the 7th of october uh resistance against the occupation, we know that they spent millions in um in campaigning on advats in in britain alone, let alone you know in europe and america, so it's it's definitely something that they understand, they need to invest in, but um the length to which they're going to at this stage is just it really is comedy and you know we every time i turn on the news and i and i hear a israeli spokesperson, i just want to grab bit a bit of popcorn. and just sit and and have a
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bit of a giggle because at this stage it's it is really lauffable and one of the other um refrains from the israelis has been that hamas uses schools and hospitals as military bases, what have you found on that front? well we know that this is something that they've used to justify the the further genocide and murder of um of palestinian citizens, we're looking at close to 15,000 deaths at this stage um and actually what's what's being proven over over again is that although they spread these kind of lies, it is them who are the perpetrators of these narratives, um, of these actions themselves, let's have look at one example, so what we're seeing here, using a school as a military base, using school as a military
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base a school that they have um that that the palestinian people have vacated, one of the only places left i would say in the area that's still standing, but you can still see the destruction all around it, you can still see the the damage to the building, the bullet holes, the white phosphorus that's burnt through, um, and and the glee with which they're preparing to go out and kill more people, absolutely, you know, it's it's such a shame that there are people dumb of enough within. the um israeli occupation forces to continue to record and share this as if it's a moment of pride and triumph for them when actually they are just simply you know continuing to expose themselves for the reality that they are, they are child murdering um genocidal uh occupation force that has no mercy, no integrity and certainly no right to be there. we hear constantly about the burnt babies uh, though we're still waiting. for any evidence to be produced, but
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especially on uh right-wing media, pro israel media, but uh, not the same kind of questioning as far as palestinian children are concerned? well, the first thing that we know happens with with the israeli um playbook is that they they create this hysteria with the with this false information, you know, women raped and 40 beheaded babies, and then weeks later, finding out today that they have rejected entirely this entire narrative and they say: actually only one child has died and no mentioning of beheadings, whereas palestinian children, unfortunately they are the ones who are being mutilated to an extent that we can't even show, um, more than 4,500 of them, of absolutely, um, well, the the content here is of is far too graphic for us to show the audience, but what you would have seen, um, are medics, some of them volunteer. some of
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them professionals and the they have a bag of um pieces of of children that have been um pulled from the rubble um uh literally pieces of hair um body parts through all of that trying to identify who they are the they know that there are three or four children that it could be and they are picking up the pieces of these of these children and they're saying oh could this be - could this be nora, and and they are trying to piece back together the bodies so that they can bury them in a dignified way, this this is the reality of the people of palestine, um, these are the people that we should be crying for, these are the people that we should be supporting, um, certainly not the narrative that the israelis want us to know, we all uh remember that, i think it was father, a man running into a hospital, holding the remains of his child in a bag, um, and finally um lot of
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protests that have been going on since the israeli wholesale onslot on gaza began and more and more people are putting their... fear aside of getting canceled or getting um arrested, taking to the streets because they know what the right thing is at this point, and lot of people are taking that um narrative and they're putting it online and they're sharing uh why all of us should be inspired to act. let's have look. you feel like you're watching the state of the world right now and losing your mind, good. world does it exist right now is somebody else's imaginings in entirety specifically white genicidal media? everything that we think about what is reasonable. was made up by them, keep seeing being tagged in videos about people crying, breaking down, seeing that they're just ready to go insane or stay in insanity because they see the way to the world and they can't return to whatever normal was, good, let the grief burn you alouse that's what revolution is, revolution is to call for death, is to say i cannot continue such that i would rather die, more than that, while we pontificate about what it
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means to revolt around everything that we've ever known, because everything that we've ever known, every part about living in the core of the empire is about extraction from other parts of the world, we also have to think about world making, what is the world that we would rather live in, what's the world that come after this, it requires lot of radical creativity just as it requires radical action, you feel like radical action, now you know what this lady is saying, um, very powerful, and it speaks to me very deeply, and i think it speaks to lot of the people online, um, who would be watching this, that actually the state of the world is not normal, you know, what we're seeing, um, the lives that we're having to live, see being able to kind of being forced to sit back and watch genocides, not only in palestine, but in the congo, you know, things that have happened in the past, the present and most likely will happen in the future. these things are not normal. seeing homelessness in the streets is not normal. um, and what she's she's taking not only what's being spoken about in palestine, but she's actually using that as catalyst to wake the world up. she's saying that you know, it's it is reasonable for us to question the
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reality that we have, and that this feeling that you're getting, let it wash over you and let it be a catalyst for change. um, because this world is unjust and there is only one solution and that's. is revolution, revolution, thank you, earlier we spoke to professor carry manji, he is pediatrician and neonaitologist at muhoople university of health and allied sciences, the largest hospital in tanzania. we asked him for his take on what's happening at alshafa and other hospitals in gaza, especially the aftermath the devastation and the post-traumatic stress. order that was bound emerge, the post traumatic stress which you follow is multifled, if you think about the the doctors, sitting there helpless, franctically moving from one place to another, looking for a possible solution, trying to use plastic
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bottles as nebulizers, trying to use clean just clean. "iv lines, not even sterile iv lines, and the post traumatic disorder for the doctors of not being able to do anything, the post traumatic disorder of the patient sitting next to another patient and seeing them dying in front of their eyes, the post traumatic disorder of the people out there of what's happening, the post stomatic disorder to us who are far away wanting to do. something and you clearly can't do anything because you can't travel there, you can't send anything there, and you are helplessly just listening to stories, so the post romatic disorder is very wide, wide spread
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for all those are concerned, and it's going to affect us and those out there, the doctors, the fraternity, the nurses, the mothers, the... disorder is just another story. professor manji also addressed the differences in the challenges he faced practicing critical medicine in a developing country versus the realities of the situation under heavy bombardment. it's completely completely different. here it's a system, it is the policy system, long term issues developing. countries and things, it is far far from what is happening in al-shifa and other hospitals in gazza, even if we do not have a particular antibiotic or ventilator, but we will be at least using a an
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alternative ventilator called the cpap or giving oxygen binasum and the mother would be eating food and drinking water and not having the fear of bullet. striking her or the health worker, we are in a peaceful state, if mother doesn't have food, next door mother would be giving her food, water, drink, safety, security. there is no such problem, the problem in gazza, the problem in al shifa hospital is just unbelievable, so yes we we also have problems in our developing country of supplies which go into the villages in the rural areas and things, oh we don't have ventilator, we don't have a phototherapy machine, but all these things are bearable when you find that humanity exists, it is somebody to hold yourself. if there somebody to give you food and water, somebody to attend your child's funeral, somebody to give
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the show and wash to your child, somebody to come and say sorry to you about your loss, the situation in gaza and shipa is just inhuman, you're watching gaza under attack, back with my guests, professor said, here in the studio with me and on skype, saalian burris, and sallan, let me ask you this, can you react to what we heard the israeli ambassador to the uk say earlier, we have seen the dehumanization of palestinians for a long time, calling them human animals and all the rest of it, and now an expression of no sympathy for the palestinians. i i don't understand how human being can stand in front of another human being and show such lack of empathy and sympathy, to want you to relate to what. they've experienced and not understand what they're pushing out in the world. i it it's one of those things you
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watch and it just doesn't seem real to you, because clearly she has no empathy, clearly she doesn't even want to understand what's being pushed towards the palestinian, and how that damage will go on for generations, that lack of the thought, the kindness, you know, from one human being to another, i didn't see any of that, and all i saw... was just justification for acts of violence, mean as a human being, i don't, you know, the uk government does, i'm british born, generations, always has been, i don't, the uk government does not represent me, and it does not represent my family and it does not represent the people i work with, because everybody talk to has the complete opposite opinion than that ambassador had. um and i it's just you say about it except for these people, i don't even know why she was allowed
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on the television, i don't know, yes um, let's um continue this with um said goda, and i want to talk about israeli propaganda, haspara that uh, why do you think it's not working as effectively anymore, despite the fact that the media by and large? is on their side as the as the ladder israel uh continues to commit genocide? you mean the media changed attitude towards the media has not, but why is the israeli propaganda machine not able to effectively shift public opinion or keep it in line with its policies or what it's doing? to some extent to some extent they through the media and all that. they are succeeding, relatively the people who are
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opposing the war and the demonstration and all that, in my view, they are smaller than the the general or the total number of people or countries, and the evidence for that, if you remember the iraqi war, there were many many demonstration and the people against the war, but despite... that america and britain and the other they did go and destroy iraq and all that in my view israel is has has been preparing everything since 1948 is to control the media is to control the government is to control the politician is to control everything this not this is not an overnight job for israel they are doing that when i read even in news. they say that hamas blah blah blah attack blah blah blah and they
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killed blah blah blah people but when they come to the palestinian they say the ministry of health which is controlled by hamas yeah announced to make you doubt that this i heard it in in in most of the news in most of the newspaper this is the way they do it and with respect i don't think think, okay, there is a shift now, but i still feel israel is is is really, controlling the media and the opinion to a great extent, well to that i would say, professor, that 76% of britains who were asked in a recent poll, early on uh in this unjust war, call for an immediatefire, yes, despite the fact that the uk's um pronounced position was not one, yeah um, but let me put
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this other question to sallian, the aid situation in is simply beyond the pale in the gaza strip. how would you assess things at this point? i think that um, i can't imagine what families and professionals are experiencing while they're trying to support people through this complete bombardment. for me, everything that i've ever watched, all the friends that i have palestinian and their family members, there has been a systematic psychological bombardment that have gone on for decades. i've got friends in palestine who tell me stories about water supplies being allowed to get through, but then when they go to drink them, there's salt in that water, so understanding that you've got a huge environment that wants to support this aid that takes it so far into that zone and then is not allowed to deliver that package, to me is just another bombardment of
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psychological abuse that must be stripping every single person within palestine of its hope. um and their dreams, i the the governance in the uk understands exactly what's going on. i have been demonstrating for palenstein for over 14 years in one way or another in the uk. so this is not old news. we all know that there's a lack of resources, medicine, clothing, food, we all know what's going on. i think that we as people. the one thing that's come out of this is that over the last, i would say probably three to five years, there has been a disconnect of belief in leadership, and as in any war set in, where there is and where leadership is letting the people down, people work together, now what i've seen in the uk in the demonstrations that have been going
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on, is it doesn't matter how old you are, or your wealth, or your religion, or your race, people. are walking together to say no to this, you know, and eventually you want to hope that that is the hope that palestinian people are feeling, and that is the action that will push these governments to understand they can't do this anymore, you know, the people are speaking, they're working together, every generation, every person is walking together and they can't do this anymore, so with regards to the the resources that are being stopped, i think that we we as people need to start vocalizing that in any way we can, we've got demonstrations where weapons are stopped going in there, we need demonstrations where food are pushed at those borders and every asset, and we need to represent the global, not just the political voice, but the voice of of people generally, just to bring some
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hope, you know, just to tell these people, we are waiting, we are waiting to give you seen that happen in recent weeks, people taken. the streets around the world to tell the palestinians that they hear their voices. stay with me, both of you if you will, because we're going to hear more from the united nations. the head of the un humanitarian affairs office in the occupied palestinian territory, opt, andrea de domenico said that fighting around al shah hospital intensified over the weekend, adding that the hospital's critical infrastructure was damaged, including water tanks, oxygen stations, the cardiovascular. facility in the maternity world. three nurses were also reported killed. speaking to reporters on november 13th via video link from jerusalem. he said, "lives in gaza are hanging by a thread due to the depleting of fuel and medical supplies." lives in gaza are hanging
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by a thread due to the pleating of fuel and medical supplies. we hear that patients are already dying and we have been reported. few cases, also access to water and food has become the more and more difficult for those remaining, and we are trying to figure out better how many have remained behind, but is of course a little bit complicated given the inability of our teams to go in the north of the gaza strip. ocha teams have been observing the movement of 10 thousand of people to the south of following the calls by israeli forces to vacate the north. people arrive by foot primary. thirsty, exhausted and often with no concrete idea on where they would be staying. ngo are supporting, some local ngos have been supporting those arrives with the water and biscuit and give a... a little bit of assistance and try to provide them information where they could eventually uh reach a a shelter, although the choices are very limited. fahiima muhammad is back
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with the follow-up to her first offering of palestine in the media, fahimma, keeping the theme going. yes, i think it is important emphasize what we've just seen um at el shifa hospital, which is beyond disastrous at the very moment, and even though there are. the clip will come on in a minute to show what's actually happening, they want to move them, but that is the main hospital, and there are other hospitals like alcuts who is out of service, we've got khanis has also there's been continuous bombs even though it's in working sort of like um sort of still sort of you know progress in that sense, but there's nothing really that can compare to where they are right now, and it's quite dangerous to move anyone there, and the video also will show that um even though the... nasa hospital is functioning for now has also um you know not much left and even though um there was one mother that said that she had to evacuate alchiva hospital leaving her son there
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because he was injured and if she stayed any longer then you know the bombing would have actually caught up with her as well so we're not sure if her son is actually still alive or not and even though there has been um offer from israel for 300 liters uh of um sort of fuel, they actually need at least 10,000 liters, yeah, so look at the difference at what is being offered, and so even though they saying they're helping, at the end of the day it's just not necessary um for what they are putting forward compared to what is actually needed, it can't be helping if you continue to drop bombs on them, um, what's been happening in the uk as far, well we have here a press conference that was held british-based palestinians, which was reported by middle east, i uh showing uh how palestinian families have been treated since october the 7th in gaza when they are
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actually killed or still stuck there, and we have a video coming up to sort of hear someone speaking about their family um having 40 members who were killed, and still reports as to how the treatment is not fair. within palestinians that are british, or even um the israelis who have been evacuated through military means, but not the same for the palestinian british, and by the way today, david cameron has been appointed as the british foreign minister, do you know what he said in 2010, 13 years ago, he said gaza is an open air prison, by the way, maybe if the the shadow foreign minister said this word today, will be sacked by kir starmer, so 13 years ago he said gaza is an open air prison, will he say this again today, will he say the root of this um problem in palestine did not
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start this last month, will he speak about the israely blocade of gaza, this is something unacceptable, as as i say, every palestinian, british palestini and london um to you, empathize with with the israelis, um, but i wonder if he has met with the palestinians. yeah, there is a a different rhetoric and narrative and story uh and you know when people say that you know, especially in the representatives of israel calling palestinians human animals. we can see unfortunately that it's it's kind of filtered with the treatment and the interviews and the sort of lack of empathy, compassion even when they are saying that their members have been killed, and straight away they ask to condemn hamas. sort of showing some sort of like support or just kind kindness to be fair, we have time for one more story, quickly, yes, we are again
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echoing some of the jewish voices which i think again is so important, which we're not getting in the mainstream, but i'm finding them and i'm sending it over to us, we have the chairman of the jewish network for palestine, so this is an organization, not just one voice, like we hear, it's an organization, and this video will clearly you know show. and share what he thinks. the jewish network for palestine, and it's vital that people realize that many jewish individuals and organizations hate what's going on. it's not jew versus muslim, it's oppressors versus the oppressed, and it started in 1948 when israel was founded on violent theft, theft of palestinian land and lives, exactly and not hate of the kind of the former home secretary and i wish this was you know wide spread and this was even you know people that were actually in the protest
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so when you know that kind of rhetoric is anti-jewish and you know spreading hate, we're not hearing the full story as saliean said and our press professor sitting here, so you know hopefully people will understand that we need to see wider media coverage. hopefully, fahimma, thank you, we'll hear more from you tomorrow, let's keep the ball rolling uh with my guests in the studio and on skype, starting with sally anne, we're still um at the stage where all attempts a ceasfire have been. blocked um, you said earlier that you're amazed at how governments are allowing this to keep going on. what are they waiting for? more than 11,00 people already dead, lots of others um buried under rubble, lot of injured people, as we heard say it say earlier. your thoughts? there is something else going on, we hear lots around oil deals and there's lots of things going
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on, speculation in the media. why is this happening? what's the intentions? is it just about settlement? is there something, is there wider reasons for this, but mean for me and everything that i've looked at in behavioral patterns, i think that there is almost a halting of taking the appropriate response, and i can't help but ask myself what is the real agenda? we know through history in other um atrocities, other. things that are flared up seemingly from nowhere that the end result of that has been around gas and oil and and corporate um corporate directives shall we say and i can't help but feeling that there is a different subliminal underground agenda going on here because if you listen to the people if you listen to to all of those who have common sense to academia to legal voices it should be no no
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it should be no, no, no, fascinating. thank you very much, and that's a wrap for this segment. let me thank my guests, retired professor of biochemistry and currently a visiting professor at the university of derby uk, said goda, and free speech and fair representation advocates, sally and boris, for sharing their thoughts with us. gaza, under attack, we'll be back tomorrow with more. until then, goodbye.
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the us pushed one-sided mock of a ceasefire announced in northern gaza comes as a direct result of the failure of the israeli occupation army to achieve any significant battlefield accomplishments that could be used in negotiations. this suggests that the israeli regime may soon be forced to reconsider its objectives to align with the outcome of the battles on the ground where. they seem to send in their soldiers and they never return. nevertheless, netanyahu and his cabinet are still unwilling to agree to sease fire before achieving success that would alleviate the accountability they expect to face at the end of the war in the aftermath the heroicsa flot operation and the failure the grand operation in gaza. displacement or death this week on the mid east stream.
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